Mishra is going straight into my Obeka deck. Also, important to note, Mishra changes the name of the token copy, so you can even double up on Legendary artifacts.
@@likky1 except you won't cause the tokens created by Mishra only last the turn. So unless you have a way to prevent the sacrifice trigger at the end of the turn then you won't ever have to worry about that happening.
I looked at the other Urza pre con and honestly this Mishra seems like it’s gonna be so much fun to build around and different to the decks I’ve built already
Very surprised you didn't mention vehicles in the video. Yes, the token will only be 4/4 but vehicles have some nice effects and abilities on them. Also, thanks to priority and steps, after Mishra's trigger resolves (making a Warform of one of your vehicles) you get to crew the original vehicle with Mishra for example and swing with both! 40K's Reaver Titan says hi 😀
@@brookspotts9312 i love running him! Every artifact is a free "brainstorm" shuffle for scrollrack effects. Every artifact comes back out of the grave when countered
@@DanMeisterZ my comments were deleted? But no. I've made a constructed deck trying to theme it around mishra it was inspired by a saffron olive list. All about using booby traps (putting 2 into play because of mishra's ability) cracking a mishra's bauble to see the opponent's top card and then dealing 20 damage to them by naming the card that was seen with the bauble. Pretty fun deck
it isn't actually the very first planeswalker version of urza, there was a planewalker Urza released in i believe unhinged, called Urza, Academy headmaster. but its still cool to have one thats playable in commander now.
underrated comment cause you right. 1 other crature jsut gives all the combat, just have to have something that can get through at least in case there is blockers.
I prefer the old Mishra with blood funnel and nether void, but I don't recommend the nether void unless you have a grand to drop on a reserved list card.
I am a little shocked you did not have the huge combo of Mishra and Gonti's Aether Heart. When Mishra copies it changes the name so you have two and if you can get to the extra 4 energy each turn [8 energy (4 from the 2nd heart ETB)] its infinate turns activating the token Mishra heart. But any crazy legenday noncreature artifact is fun with this Mishra and I am going to build it once I get a copy.
when you activate the token mishra heart, can you exile the token itself rather than the original? I'm only wondering because Mishra changes the name of the token to "Mishra's war form" and Gonti's aether heart's activated ability specifically says "exile gonti's aether heart, take an extra turn". So yeah I'm not actually sure if it would work or not, but if it did that would be a sick wincon
@@dantethegreat4354 "201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects." I think there is a rule subpart in copying a permanent that fixes all "this card name to current card name." So cards that keep original name or change the copy name still work 100% of the time. Its a weird part of magic that better to think of as "this card" rather then a name. Reference Quicksilver Elemental's reminder text.
They updated the rules on obeka so now the using says that it ends the turn meaning the stack ends but until end of turn or end of phases will still fizzle out
How does it get around the text stating that Mishra’s warform needs to be sacrificed at the end of the ‘next’ end step? Surely if you end the turn before your end step then you’ll still have to sacrifice it at the end of your first opponents end step?
No mention of ugin's nexus? Mishra sacrifices the token it creates instead of exiling so you can loop infinite turns with Ugin's Nexus and Mishra. 2 card infinite turn combo.
@@niftiestbiscuit2189 Pretty sure the name change doesn't actually affect how Ugin's Nexus works. 201.5. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.
I gotta ask: Mishra names the copy "mishras warform", the text stateswhen covered jewel etb it triggers this effect. So when the copy is named different that what the text says would a mishra warform jewel trigger the copys effect? Cause it states jewel in the card text and the name is mishras warform.
My understanding is that when a card refers to itself in its card text, it's really saying "this card". The text effectively updates to reflect the card's new name.
Only when you activate it at any point except when the "sac it at the beginning of the next end step" is on the Stack. When you activate the effect of Obeka or Sundial of the Infinite while the effect is on the stack, it is activated but when the turn ends, the stack gets "deleted" and the "at the beginning of the next end step" will never trigger again. When you end your turn at any other point, the trigger only gets delayed and as you said, it will activate again at the next end step in any turn.
Quick question, and I am probably overthinking this, but lets say you make a copy of ichor wellspring, wouldn't the copy come in as "Mishra's Warform" not as ichor wellspring, therefore not triggering the ETB and LTB effects since it's not the same name as what's on the effect? Just came up with playtesting.
If I create a Wishclaw Talisman token by Mishra,then use this token to search a card; an opponent gains the token ,so whether the token should be sacrificed at my end phase？
I kinda want you to take back about finally a good Mishra haha. My OG Mishra deck wins games and abuses the effect amazingly. I do like the new Mishra, but it isn't broken sadly like the OG one. So here is hoping that the Booster Mishra one will be bonkers
Noncreature artifact? I'm gonna have fun with copying Darksteel Citadel. Just yesterday I was looking at and mourning my Artificer Prodigy. He has such a good effect, but ... commander is a fun format!
Obeka does not work. Your opponents also have an end step, and the creature is still sacrificed at that end step. You have to be able to use obeka every turn!
It does work, once the sacrifice trigger goes on the stack yoh activate obeka and get rid of the trigger. It already checked for the end step trigger so it wouldn’t do it again after that. That’s how obeka decks work
I thought that Tokens don´t go in the graveyard so you couldn´t use effects that say "and is put into a graveyard" so ichor wellspring and marionette Master wouldn´t trigger
#BlameEddie one slight problem with Obeka the way Mishra is worded it will be Sacrificed at the end of the Opponents turn since Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step will happen since the next End Step will be your Opponents End Step if you skip yours
You can do it, although it is a timing thing. At the end step, the sacrifice trigger goes on the stack. In response, you use Obeka or Sundial to end the turn removing everything from the stack. Since it did trigger, it won't trigger again, even though it didn't resolve.
That's not quite an error. If you activate Obeka during your end step while the Sacrifice trigger is on the stack, the trigger will be exiled and will not trigger again. #NotThisTimeEddie
Obeka works perfectly fine with "at the beginning of the next end step" stuff. What you have to do is go to the end step, put all those sacrifice triggers on the stack, _then_ activate Obeka. Obeka's ability will exile all the sacrifice triggers, but because they did in fact trigger and get put onto the stack (even if they don't resolve), they will never trigger again for that permanent (unless it gets blinked or something)
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Even if you were forced to sack one, you would have needed to sack the original and the copy would have been sacked at the end of turn. That way you got 2 extra turns. But your Ugin's Nexus got exiled, so you wouldn't be able to repeat the process
Gonti's Aether heart would work though. First gonti's aether heart would give you 2 Energy. Copy would give you 4 (2 for itself, 2 from original). If you would play an artifact, you would be able to activate the heart copy and get an extra turn
Mishra is going straight into my Obeka deck.
Also, important to note, Mishra changes the name of the token copy, so you can even double up on Legendary artifacts.
Do you have a List for your Obeka deck ? I wanted to build her for a very Long Time now 🤩Would be much appreciated !
Except on your obeka deck if you copy the same lengend twice.
But if you make another copy of that legendary artifact, will you have to sac one? (so you have 2 legendary artifacts called mishra’s warform)
@@likky1 except you won't cause the tokens created by Mishra only last the turn. So unless you have a way to prevent the sacrifice trigger at the end of the turn then you won't ever have to worry about that happening.
@@Draco9909 i meant for the examples made in the video, making a additional token of the token. so the answer is yes then?
BROTHER!!!!! I BRING ARTIFACT!!!
I looked at the other Urza pre con and honestly this Mishra seems like it’s gonna be so much fun to build around and different to the decks I’ve built already
Very surprised you didn't mention vehicles in the video. Yes, the token will only be 4/4 but vehicles have some nice effects and abilities on them.
Also, thanks to priority and steps, after Mishra's trigger resolves (making a Warform of one of your vehicles) you get to crew the original vehicle with Mishra for example and swing with both! 40K's Reaver Titan says hi 😀
My favorite commander deck is my Mishra deck so I've waited for this a long time
I've been waiting for a decent Mishra for a looooong time
@@Orinap You never played against one it seems ;)
@@DanMeisterZ in commander? No one runs him, but I think we needed one with more versatility to be frank
@@brookspotts9312 i love running him! Every artifact is a free "brainstorm" shuffle for scrollrack effects. Every artifact comes back out of the grave when countered
@@DanMeisterZ my comments were deleted? But no. I've made a constructed deck trying to theme it around mishra it was inspired by a saffron olive list. All about using booby traps (putting 2 into play because of mishra's ability) cracking a mishra's bauble to see the opponent's top card and then dealing 20 damage to them by naming the card that was seen with the bauble. Pretty fun deck
Spine of Ish Sah seems like it was overlooked in the list.
This is a great commander. I can't wait to build around it!
it isn't actually the very first planeswalker version of urza, there was a planewalker Urza released in i believe unhinged, called Urza, Academy headmaster. but its still cool to have one thats playable in commander now.
This is Mishra. He is actually Urza's brother!
@@regaleagle6533 I am aware lol. I was refering to the part at the begining of the episode where he talked about the new urza card.
I feel like saw in half fits perfectly into this deck
Breath of Fury with him should be able to infinite with 1 other creature to start the cycle, spicy combo imo.
underrated comment cause you right. 1 other crature jsut gives all the combat, just have to have something that can get through at least in case there is blockers.
First thing I thought of was Ugin’s Nexus
I prefer the old Mishra with blood funnel and nether void, but I don't recommend the nether void unless you have a grand to drop on a reserved list card.
favorite character in the lore bar none. I love this so much
I am a little shocked you did not have the huge combo of Mishra and Gonti's Aether Heart. When Mishra copies it changes the name so you have two and if you can get to the extra 4 energy each turn [8 energy (4 from the 2nd heart ETB)] its infinate turns activating the token Mishra heart. But any crazy legenday noncreature artifact is fun with this Mishra and I am going to build it once I get a copy.
when you activate the token mishra heart, can you exile the token itself rather than the original? I'm only wondering because Mishra changes the name of the token to "Mishra's war form" and Gonti's aether heart's activated ability specifically says "exile gonti's aether heart, take an extra turn". So yeah I'm not actually sure if it would work or not, but if it did that would be a sick wincon
@@dantethegreat4354 "201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects." I think there is a rule subpart in copying a permanent that fixes all "this card name to current card name." So cards that keep original name or change the copy name still work 100% of the time. Its a weird part of magic that better to think of as "this card" rather then a name. Reference Quicksilver Elemental's reminder text.
@@dantethegreat4354it does exile the mishras war form
Mishra and the stasis coffin... well.... Can't touch me! :D
I love artifacts decks. This set is gunna be a blast for me.
my thought went to artifacts you sacrifice or that have powerful ETBs.
Mindslaver, Jester's Mask, Jester's Cap, Contagion Engine.
Jesters mask
Comes in tapped
@@koreyg8552 it doesnt
You didn't mention vehicles. Especially legendary vehicles, like Weatherlight and Parhelion 2. They also can take advantage of this commander
sadly Parhelion is white
@@TeeKayBee god point
Tezzeret Master of the bridge could be an insane payne in a Mishra deck, same as Urza.
Mishra, Sakashima’s Will… coat of arms :)
11:05 the background is so cool, where I can find the photo?
Look for eon frolicker.
@@francogentile383 oh, thanks!!
Actually you can't say its in the precon just with the set symbol. Nowadays there are "Precon" card which are just found in Boosters 😅
its confirmed the face commander for the set
They updated the rules on obeka so now the using says that it ends the turn meaning the stack ends but until end of turn or end of phases will still fizzle out
How does it get around the text stating that Mishra’s warform needs to be sacrificed at the end of the ‘next’ end step? Surely if you end the turn before your end step then you’ll still have to sacrifice it at the end of your first opponents end step?
Old mishra is an excellent stax commander in my opinion, nothing janky here ~
As soon as i saw this commander, the first thing I thought of was vehicles. Could be a lot of fun
Wait, doesn't the warform leave at the end of the next end step?
Viraska, sceamiming gorgon been real quiet since this dropped
No mention of ugin's nexus? Mishra sacrifices the token it creates instead of exiling so you can loop infinite turns with Ugin's Nexus and Mishra. 2 card infinite turn combo.
changes the name
@@niftiestbiscuit2189 Pretty sure the name change doesn't actually affect how Ugin's Nexus works.
201.5. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.
You made sure to mention Ichor Wellspring. Why didn't you say anything about Mycosynth Wellspring?
I gotta ask: Mishra names the copy "mishras warform", the text stateswhen covered jewel etb it triggers this effect. So when the copy is named different that what the text says would a mishra warform jewel trigger the copys effect? Cause it states jewel in the card text and the name is mishras warform.
My understanding is that when a card refers to itself in its card text, it's really saying "this card". The text effectively updates to reflect the card's new name.
Doesn't "at the beginning of the next end step" still trigger on the opponents next end step? Obeka would only save your tokens for a single turn.
Only when you activate it at any point except when the "sac it at the beginning of the next end step" is on the Stack. When you activate the effect of Obeka or Sundial of the Infinite while the effect is on the stack, it is activated but when the turn ends, the stack gets "deleted" and the "at the beginning of the next end step" will never trigger again. When you end your turn at any other point, the trigger only gets delayed and as you said, it will activate again at the next end step in any turn.
Quick question, and I am probably overthinking this, but lets say you make a copy of ichor wellspring, wouldn't the copy come in as "Mishra's Warform" not as ichor wellspring, therefore not triggering the ETB and LTB effects since it's not the same name as what's on the effect? Just came up with playtesting.
I had the same thought
Obeka only leaves you one extra turn with your token. They die at the end of the next player's end step
Does mishra work with Helm?
Do tokens actually hit the graveyard for wellspring to work??
Yep
Right on thanks
My first thought was ugins nexus plus ways to bouce it so i can make extra turns
all you have to do is copy it with mishra then on end step it sacs itself so you get an extra turn
Mishra is soo awesome
Mind slaver, gontis Aether heart, and the mightstone/weak stone are probably the best targets
For some reason, Mishra artificer prodigy looks like his favorite band is stabbing westward
Like that's a bad thing. Stabbing Westward is great!
@@leemiller6977 hey I didn't say they weren't! I love them :D
@@suhleap Hahaha, ok, sounds good then.
If I create a Wishclaw Talisman token by Mishra,then use this token to search a card; an opponent gains the token ,so whether the token should be sacrificed at my end phase？
Ugin's Nexus?
Hold up, did Mishra just now get a card even though he's the antagonist of one of Magic's major plotlines!?
Mahh new set new mishra cards
He's a big ol vehicle monster
The og mishra used to be a cedh build
Mishra+Mindslaver=Fun :)
I kinda want you to take back about finally a good Mishra haha. My OG Mishra deck wins games and abuses the effect amazingly. I do like the new Mishra, but it isn't broken sadly like the OG one. So here is hoping that the Booster Mishra one will be bonkers
Noncreature artifact? I'm gonna have fun with copying Darksteel Citadel.
Just yesterday I was looking at and mourning my Artificer Prodigy. He has such a good effect, but ... commander is a fun format!
Thanks Eddie...!!!
I blame YOU..!!
This with ugins nexus gives infinite turns correct?
No, mishra changes the name
Mono Grixis Two-for-Ones is back!
Obeka does not work. Your opponents also have an end step, and the creature is still sacrificed at that end step. You have to be able to use obeka every turn!
It does work, once the sacrifice trigger goes on the stack yoh activate obeka and get rid of the trigger. It already checked for the end step trigger so it wouldn’t do it again after that. That’s how obeka decks work
I thought that Tokens don´t go in the graveyard so you couldn´t use effects that say "and is put into a graveyard" so ichor wellspring and marionette Master wouldn´t trigger
Well, then you thought wrong.
Tokens do see graveyard tho 🤔🤔🤔
#BlameEddie one slight problem with Obeka the way Mishra is worded it will be Sacrificed at the end of the Opponents turn since Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step will happen since the next End Step will be your Opponents End Step if you skip yours
You can do it, although it is a timing thing.
At the end step, the sacrifice trigger goes on the stack. In response, you use Obeka or Sundial to end the turn removing everything from the stack.
Since it did trigger, it won't trigger again, even though it didn't resolve.
That's not quite an error. If you activate Obeka during your end step while the Sacrifice trigger is on the stack, the trigger will be exiled and will not trigger again. #NotThisTimeEddie
Obeka works perfectly fine with "at the beginning of the next end step" stuff. What you have to do is go to the end step, put all those sacrifice triggers on the stack, _then_ activate Obeka.
Obeka's ability will exile all the sacrifice triggers, but because they did in fact trigger and get put onto the stack (even if they don't resolve), they will never trigger again for that permanent (unless it gets blinked or something)
this with Mishra's self replicator
I like Ichor Wellspring and Myscosynth Wellspring
Dont forget prized statue
Only at 2 minutes into the video and I'm shouting Obeka! 🤣
Edit: 5 mins into the video... Cool cool 😂
Mindslaver, that's all I gotta say
I REFUSE the blame eddie! #JusticeForEddie!
Hi Mitch!
Hi Amanda!
This commander was made for arcum dagsson
It's a little underwhelming for a figure such as Mishra, but at least it's much more usable than the original.
SUNDIAL OF THE INFINITE. OBEKKA WhAT ARE THEY THINKING
Don’t forget the infinite Ugin’s Nexus combo
I'm stunned that this wasn't mentioned lol
no, the name is changed so that doesn't work. you need like an additional combat phase for that to work
Can you explain how ugin’s nexus works with this? I tried to figure it out
doesn’t work; the original ugin’s nexus will negate the effect of the token being sacrificed
@@MrDoct0r Doesn't it also not work because it says "If Ugin's Nexus would be put" and not "If Mishra's Warform would be put"?
New toy for Obeka
Thanks for this.
Thornbite staff will definitely break this
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Hello! Thank you!
Ohh lord another new set 😱
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Damn it eddie!
i dont like it seems like too many restrictions on it u have to have another artifact it needs to be a noncreature and it dies at the end step
Damnit Eddie...
I walked into my lgs and said I need a precon that will teach my kids that they came from my balls, he looked at me funny and handed me this deck
Good thing vehicles aren't creatures.
If you play Ugin's Nexus, you get infinite extra turns.
You need a way to phase out original Ugin's nexus somehow, because Mishra's Warform is not an Ugin Nexus as far as legendary rule is concern
Even if you were forced to sack one, you would have needed to sack the original and the copy would have been sacked at the end of turn. That way you got 2 extra turns. But your Ugin's Nexus got exiled, so you wouldn't be able to repeat the process
Gonti's Aether heart would work though. First gonti's aether heart would give you 2 Energy. Copy would give you 4 (2 for itself, 2 from original). If you would play an artifact, you would be able to activate the heart copy and get an extra turn
@@EvGamerBETA Ah right, I forgot about the name change... good pointer on Gonti's Aether though.
I’m early for once wow
That never happens guess it’ll be a good day 🎉
awesome decks but the urza deck is cooler
Compared to urza tho, feels a tad underwhelming
The good guy has to seem underpowered, sometimes... #allwillbeone #mishradidnothingwrong
@@andrewamann2821 tell that to jodah in dominaria untied
@@husseinnassrallah1413 who said Jodah was the good guy?
I made it first!
Mtg sucks now can't even enjoy war hammer for a fucking week
Couldn't enjoy dominatrix united for a week wizards sucks and makes me not even think about buying any product because it's all going to be worthless