If I found out that the cherished, rare collector's item toy that my dad (probably) passed down to me that I gave to the neighbor kid was completely shafted by a fork, I'd ask for it back, to be completely honest.
@demosneokleous4877 I know I would! I know Andy taking Woody back would have defeated the purpose of him moving on and growing up, but what they did to Woody at the end was just criminal 😞Andy thinking Woody is safe with Bonnie when he's stranded as a lost toy at a carnival. I would have rather him stay as a family heirloom and get passed down to Andy's children.
The reason why Bo wasn’t in Toy Story 3 is because the writers said they couldn’t justify a porcelain doll surviving the events of the movie, so they wrote her out rather than kill her off. Toy Story 4 forgot that porcelain is delicate…
Though they *did* nod to it since one of her arms is bandaged and detaches, but it gets rendered moot since she was turned into a generic "no frills all thrills action gf"
I figured Bo Peep was gone from Toy Story 3 because Andy felt silly having a doll among his toy collection. Still…you’d think he’d give Bo Peep to his sister instead.
@@Sir_Persevere Bo was in Andy’s room because Molly slept there iirc. Not sure where her lamp was in 2 but we clearly see Barbie dolls in his room at the end of the movie so I’d assume that Andy and Molly’s toys just visit each other’s rooms frequently
The thing that irritates me most about this movie being a "deconstruction" is that the entire series was *already* a deconstruction of his mindset. In each movie, he's presented with a scenario that conflicts with his ideals, from being replaced as Andy's favorite toy to being made aware of his disposable nature to having his owner finally grow up. And yet, despite all of that, the movies would find a way to have him move on and grow as a character without betraying his entire ideology, unlike this movie...
How cute would it have been if Gabby was desperate for a voicebox the entire movie so that Harmony would love her, but she fails/is thwarted. Then, at the end, another girl finds her and doesn't *care* that the doll doesn't talk! Because there are, in fact, kids like that. The toy doesn't have to *do* something for them to be loved.
Well, that's exactly what happens in the ending of one of the scrapped versions of the movie, where Bonnie still loves Woody despite not having his voice box anymore.
In my opinion, this is how the movie should have went down. Forkie gets scrapped altogether. He doesn't need to be a character. Bonnie still loves Woody but she leans to Jessie a bit more which does lead to moments of jealousy. It's understandable because some girls would naturally like girl dolls more than boy dolls. She doesn't cruelly forget about him and still play with him but you can understand Woody's perspective. When he gets lost and run into Bo Beep, it becomes a matter of conflict for Woody. To choose between his owner and love of his life who's also treating him nastily. Gabby gets found by the same girl in the film who loves her, and Woody stands true to his morals, saying that "Even if he is not Bonnie's favorite toy, life is still worth being love by a kid, and you seem to have forgotten that, Bo." And Bo comes to her senses, and they all become Bonnie's toys. That's inheriting true to what's been established.
god damn. that would've been nice to see the movie end that way with that moral of not having to do something in order to have value. it seemed to me the goal pixar had was to have Woody basically have his Captain America Endgame send off moment and that didn't work at all for me.
For me what Toy Story 4 stance is, that Lotso did kill buzz, by resetting his entire mind. Woody Became Lotso, and has the mindset of “Andy replaced us.” Or “Bonnie replaced us.” Becoming a dictator in Toy Story 5.
It even contradicts its own plot! Woody trying to convince Forky to stay with Bonnie, telling it how much being a toy means to a kid, how great it is to be loved by a kid... helping Gabby Gabby find a kid after reaffirming to her that being a kid's toy is the greatest thing... The guy preaching that stance then decides to peace out, that childless is the life for him.
The fact this movie was the reason Incredibles 2 was pushed ahead in the mediocre state it was in. Just proves Toy Story 4 didn’t need to exist. At all.
Are you sure about that, because there’s two people I found I that don’t Hate, and those people are Cartoonshi and The average critic, not like my opinion disproves anything.
Andy at the end of Toy Story 3: “But the thing that makes Woody special, is he'll never give up on you... ever. He'll be there for you, no matter what.” Woody at the end Toy Story 4: *ditches Bonnie and all his friends
@@hatdude7544 He didn't ditched them he found a bigger purpose in life, to help other toys and kids. Jessie and Buzz are perfectly capable of leading the way Woody led and being there for Bonnie
@@DDarkestKnightWoody wasn’t prepping his friends to be in a lead toy role or seeking to deepen the bond between toys and kids through becoming a solo toy. He might not have admitted to betrayal or abandonment but it’s certainly closer to his true actions. If his motivation was to develop stronger toy relationships with humans he would have said so. Woody didn’t like not being played with to the point where he no longer cared if he was or not, especially after thinking no human except Andy felt he was that special of a toy.
@@DDarkestKnightI think you’re missing the point here. Woody’s main character trait is his loyalty to his kid and his friends. With him leaving behind both of those for Bo Peep, he effectively went against all the morals he preached and learned in the last three movies. Woody always promised he’d stick by to his friends. Woody always promised to stick by to his owner (Andy, and now Bonnie.) Woody did leave his friends to try to go back to Andy alone in the third movie, but guess what? When learning about Lotso and Sunnyside Daycare’s true nature, he made it a point to sneak back and wouldn’t rest until his friends were all rescued. Woody always wanted to be loved and there for his kid, even if he wasn’t played with. And, the real Woody wouldn’t go crazy over not being played with for “3” days. He and his friends have been in Andy’s toy box for several YEARS when Andy got older and was starting to let go of his toys.
@@runningoncylinders3829 He didn't need to prep them they naturally grew into it, as naturally as Woody is growing into his new role. Nothing he did was betrayal or abandonment, there's a reason he didn't need to say anything, why Buzz encouraged him, why the toys gave him a group hug. This was the veteran's well deserved retirement. And it's not about not caring if he was played with anymore, it's about helping other toys experience the great thing he's gotten to do.
I always love the irony, that forky is a toy alot of less fortunate kids would make in place of toys. And then they sell actual toys on the shelves of this character that less fortunate kids can't buy, either.
Let's be real, here. Pixar was not really responsible for greenlighting this sequel, this was a sequel Disney demanded. And since Disney owns Pixar, Pixar couldn't refuse to do it. Even Toy Story 3 started life before Disney acquired Pixar, and I think this shows where Disney has gone wrong these days: Unnecessary sequels to franchises that didn't need them.
I suppose the same can be said for Incredibles 2. Brad Bird himself said that he'd only be interested in making a sequel to The Incredibles if 1. It was to surpass the status of the original and 2. If the sequel contained a story that they clearly wanted to tell. But Bird and his team had extreme time constraints to get the film done on time considering they had story issues and a lot of cut content. Regardless, despite Bird being confident in the film that they made, it still ended up being a disappointment to all; to Disney, and especially Pixar.
Well, unfortunately, it’s because Disney desn’t care about making great films, they only care about making great profits. It’s saddening, but hey, what are you gonna do?
@@arbytv5139 The thing is, I don't think Brad Bird was in it for the money. After all, he said this himself: "So, if it were a cash grab, we would not have taken 14 years. It makes no financial sense to wait this long. It’s simply we had a story that we wanted to tell." It just proves that the higher ups demand what they churn out, whether it's for money, for creative purposes, or otherwise.
All the more proof of corporate greed getting in the way of creativity and genuine good storytelling. Because who cares of making a sequel for the right reasons, as long as it makes money, riiiiight? It's quite a sad state to see Pixar be dragged like this. ^^;
As hilarious as that would’ve been, she explicitly states that her voicebox; what allows the audio to be played, is what’s broken. Not her record; the thing that carries all of her phrases.
@davyjones3105 to be fair though, there were a good number of plot holes, including a moment in the Randy Newman Montage showing Bonnie playing with not just Forky, but Woody too.
Woody is an old stuffed toy. He can't fix himself like Bo by sticking duct tape on himself. It's damp outside, he'll get dirty, rot, and moldy over time, and no kid will touch him with a long stick. What were the writers thinking when they decided he should live outdoors?
I don't even know HOW Bo Peep fixed herself with duct tape. Did she like, take off her head and her brain (if she even has one) did all the taping for her? This is ridiculous.
It's called sentimental shabbiness. Lots of kids love toys regardless of their age and wear, even preferring them that way over restoring them to their original mint condition. Have you NEVER had a toy that you loved despite or even BECAUSE it was so worn with age?
As someone who watched Toy Story 1-3 over and over again (with the rest of the Golden Era of Pixar. Born in 2005), it's embarrassing to see what Disney has done to the company I loved and the franchise that made my childhood.
The problem with Toy Story 4 is that it just didn’t need to be made. Toy Story 3 wrapped up with the best ending you could possibly give the characters and did it in such a way it realistic for the show’s universe. Why make a sequel to that? Because the brand recognition prints money
In TS4's defence, 3 feels like an open ended ending. You could follow Bonnie and her toys and even have the premise of kids of a newer generation, being a toy that a kid loses interest in over time, guiding the new toys through this experience, or even following the kid for once since andy has mostly been a motivation for the cast. Toystory 3 isn't like a series like avatar the last Airbender or Kingdom Hearts where it's building up to fighting a big bad. It's more like like Blues Clues or pokemon where you can pass the torch and continue the story for as long as you have ideas for it.
@@trickstercj4366 I will also say in defense of Toy Story 4 that it also has some sort of a conclusion style ending. The tear-jerking ending of Woody and Buzz's partnership, and Woody getting back together with the love of his life. On those merits, I can let Toy Story 4 slide. Now I have heard about the idea for the script about Toy Story 5, and I will say that out of context, it's actually interesting. The only problem, though, is that it's Toy Story 5.
"Lightyear" would disagree. Brand recognition doesn't sell a thing if said brand is basically just a crude skin being worn by utter sludge. This isn't hard, as proven by Star Command standing on it's own legs, but apparently, Pixar thought otherwise.
The thing that I don't like about Bo-Peep's role in this movie, is because of the logical inconsistency. I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but Bo is a "toy" only in the technical sense; _she's a lamp._ Sure, she can detach from her mount and has some articulation, but you can still see she's made of porcelain; throughout all the movies that feature her, the lighting on her skin shows that the material she's made of is shinier and reflects light differently than the rubber or plastic the others are made of. The reason she was written out of Toy Story 3 is that, given what the toys go through in that movie, realistically, Bo would not survive. Any too rough treatment and she would _shatter._ And the writers admit that this is why she was written-out; it's probably why RC isn't featured as well, considering that only the vaguely humanoid and articulate toys were featured. They'd be the only ones able to make the journey. The saddest part about all of this is, Toy Story 4 _acknowledges_ that Bo is made of porcelain. Looking at the footage used in this video, you see that her skin is shinier than all the other toys, indicating that _yeah, she's still made of porcelain._ So it's really a huge contrivance that the movie expects us to believe that she's not only as articulate and agile as she is, but that in the _years_ she's been a lost-toy, she hasn't _shattered._
@@GanonGhidorah Oh, it's even worse in the movie. There's a scene where Woody accidentally pulls her arm apart, but she just laughs it off and tapes it back on. Even this film acknowledged how frail she should be, yet still wants us to believe she's so strong and tough and can do all these things ...
What's even FUNNIER is how long she's been a lost toy isn't even accurate to her own claim. If the short film "Lamp Life" is indeed canon, then Bo stayed with at least two different families - first of which is for several YEARS - which leaves not enough years of wiggle room for the 7 years of being a lost toy to even be feasible. And even in that short it's a "how tf did she not get broken" in several instances of rough handling.
I was conflicted on the movie at first, but I knew it was really bad when Woody and Bo Peep are discussing things on their way to the antique store to rescue Forky and Bo explains her Lost Toy mindset as "why have just one kid, when you can have all this?". Which sounds... eerily similar to Stinky Pete's pitch to Woody to go to the museum in Japan. That should have been a red flag to Woody that maybe he shouldn't be listening to Bo, that he should be remembering the lessons he's learned over the course of the previous movies and his long years as a toy... but instead he looks at her in awe, like she's so wise and cool for abandoning loyalty and purpose for a vagabond's life. Their purpose was clear at that point, and the writing only got worse from there... That and Buzz. Agreed, neither Space Ranger Buzz nor 10+ years self-aware Buzz should be confused by the concept of a conscience. But even forgiving that, he should have stayed with Woody during the mandatory breakup, because THAT would have been a much better display of a conscience. His inner voice, his *real* inner voice, telling him his friend needs his help and companionship; not being arbitrarily told what to do but thinking for himself about what's right and what he needs to do... that would have been a great payoff, and would make him telling Woody to "listen to his inner voice" work a bit better since he realized what that means. But as it is it's just pathetic.
It feels like that's exactly what they were trying to do, but they just decided not to. Buzz didn't understand why the voice box was telling him to leave, and instead of going against it, he just......decides to listen to it?
because the people in writing positions are vandals, they tear apart and smash the art of the past because they hate it and what it represents... it happened with star wars...its happening with live action remakes and it happened with toy story. What modern disney is doing is basically what the south did to the civil war forming the "lost cause myth" they re revisionists, distortionists and they hate the past.
Destroy? No, improve. The younger generation is less likely to see the appeal of older works because a lot of elements that defined their novelty have become commonplace for the medium and genre.
Two quotes from the prevous TS movies that I think really summarize why this movie doesn't work: YOU AREN'T THE REAL BUZZ LIGHTYEAR, YOU ARE AN ACTION FIGURE. YOU. ARE A CHILD'S PLAYTHING!!!! - Woody to Buzz To do what Woody, watch kids behind glass and never be loved again? Some life. - Buzz to Woody. And that last quote followed up on Buzz's speech to Woody why belonging to a kid matters and that he rescued him 'because I believed in him.'
@@AndrewsMagicandMore A mindset he soon walks back on, and soon is proven wrong on when Andy repairs him. And further proven wrong in 3 when Andy was planning to take Woody with him... And one for the OP... Buzz in TS2: "Woody risked his life to save mine. I couldn't call myself his friend if I wasn't willing to do the same." Buzz in TS4: *ditches Woody because the magic conch said so*
I've always thought the answer for why the Toys care is because they feel the need to bring joy to their owner, and be a source of comfort whenever their owner needs them
this line of thought makes me think that a better and deconstructive toy story story would be a story about an orphan and their toy (their toy being their only friend in the world after their parents passed away or something like that).
@@Hack_Man_VII ...And cry even harder (than the ending of 3) when they make friends and find a home. It will be so fitting given how the world seems to only grow more distant despite having all the communication in the world, and people only wanting to belong...
I love that Bo Peep does not have a single moment of hesitation, reaction, or any semblance of pity for seeing her supposed boyfriend saying goodbye to his entire life and friends. If she truly cared about him, surely she'd offer to come live with Bonnie or at least have SOME shock/surprise in seeing him say goodbye to his ENTIRE LIFE
She's abusive!! She wants to isolate him and take him away from his family while being toxic and talking down to him rather than see him be happy. It's entitled and it makes me feel so grossed out how she's supposed to be the "girlboss" of this movie.
What makes Bonnie all of a sudden lose interest in Woody make no sense is that when people use the "kids outgrow toys" defense for her, it's contradicted by the fact that she still plays with the other toys, who are in the exact same age demographic as Woody. So how is it that Bonnie outgrew Woody but not the other toys?
Exactly! We aren't even given a lucid reason why Bonnie is all of a sudden not interested in Woody either. This entire movie felt more like a retcon than an actual sequel.
TS4 actually completely torpedoes its own point and sinks the inciting incident and Woody's motivations for the entire story like the Lusitania had been smuggling lead instead of weapons, because there's a scene in the "I Can't Let You Throw Yourself Away" montage where BONNIE IS PLAYING WITH WOODY.
Similar sentiment I had for Inside Out 2. I hated the idea of a sequel because the film was a neatly tied bow. But the sequel retconned the ending of 1 by disregarding the credits showing every person had the same core 5 emotions and mixed emotional memories. I never watched it, however watching all of its trailers made me feel Pixar was making a cash-grab after releasing failures from the past year.
@@scrittle I liked Inside Out 2 as a story. Inside out has a lot of potential, since emotions and your brain mature as you grow up. Just... treat your animators with respect.
@@jonathanstern5537 I would've not made it in the first place. The Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon already shows Buzz's in-universe franchise. Besides, there are plenty of IP's that start as toys and later have cartoons based on them (G.I. Joe and He-man being perfect examples)
I would have had him befriend Warp Darkmatter and actually tie in the movie to the continuity established in Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, *and* the video game Rex played, *and* the few plot elements Buzz describes that clearly parody Star Wars. The frachise has already provided ample material to work with.
At least MrEnter gets their point across effectively within 40 minutes. 6 hours just sounds like tripling the filler that was in the movie he’s talking about.
Like, the big thing that bugged me about Toy Story 4 was that the previews I saw, the initial promotional material, were all built up around Forky. They all seemed to be building up the idea of what makes a toy a toy. Why is Forky alive? It was an interesting philosophical kind of idea! And then the actual movie just kinda skimmed over the whole concept. I'm also glad that "because potatoes" still gets play, however subtly~
I was thinking that what they could have done was have Bonnie be a very poor kid who had to make Forky because her parents couldn't afford to buy her toys. Then her parents found Woody and gave him to her, and she replaces Forky with Woody - and Woody would have done to Forky in this movie what Buzz did to him in the first. Woody would then learn what it's like being on the other side of them fence and have to deal with the conflict with Forky that comes from it.
Toy Story that Time forgot presented a much more interesting concept. What happens when kids lose interest in toys and focus on playing video games instead. The short film never really resolved the issue either. The toys were able to turn off the TV, and the kids remembered the toys and started playing with them.
If a child's love and imagination is what makes a Toy come alive, it stands to reason that if a toy lost a connection to a child long enough they would eventually become lifeless. Imagine if Woody found Bo in the antique shop only to discover she was completely inert (dead)
Fun fact: The director of Toy Story 4, Josh Cooley, went on to direct Transformers one 5 years later. And even as a casual transformers viewer, I thought it was still really good and surprisingly dark for what it is. So at least his film career is going to better places.
The fact that Buzz told Woody "listen to your inner voice" was just immensely stupid considering every time buzz listened to his inner voice just made him mess everything up.
The "inner voice" trope is so dumb and it should had never been in the movie since in the previous movies Buzz was smarter and made his own decisions than pressing his buttons to make his next move
I personally just find the Movie mediocre. My biggest Problem with it (besides winning the Oscar over Klaus, I mean, come on) is that Bo Beep gets retconned as some Kind of Girlboss just for Jessie, a strong female Character that was already there, to be sidelined. I´m not saying there can only be one strong female Character in the Franchise and the Idea of Bo Beep having that Kind of Character Development is actually pretty good but the Way it´s handled feels unfair to what came before
Maybe pairing (as in them being the protagonists this time, or the secondary protagonists) Bo with Jessie for the movie would've worked better, had they kept Bo's original personality, which is that of a calm, rational in control type of character that balances out Woody's neurotic anxieties, which also could've contrasted well with Jessie, who is a character that's a bit reckless and filled with her own fears
I hate the third act break up as much as anyone but it can work, albeit very rarely. Monsters University is like that one extremely rare example where I think it would be a detriment to the movie if you remove the third act break up. Sulley rigging the game is kinda surprising and it actually hurts. And I 100% buy it bringing them closer as friends in the end. Wreck It Ralph’s was brutal. And Megamind had a really good one with Megamind and Roxanne. I just wish there wasn’t also wasn’t the lame Minion break up. Oh yea, I also hate Toy Story 4.
I remember an earlier Mr. Enter video where he talks about how the third act breakup in Wreck It Ralph is one of the very rare times it actually worked. It didn’t hinder the plot and it made sense for both characters to have different motivations there. Wreck It Ralph is such a masterpiece. The sequel though, we don’t talk about.
The roxanne literal break-up really hurts (in a good way, is well written) because well, as she pointed out, megamind's actions haven't been the best so far and even she was surprised megamind thought the lies could work even when anyone realizes they would eventually backfire on him. the minion one i forgive it because it is a consequence of megamind's actions about thinking he could have it all (have a relationship with roxanne; have a new hero to fight all while ignoring minion's warnings) thanks to his lies and deceit until it comes crashing down in his face the monsters university break up hurts extra because it rose up mike higher than he thought only to make him pummel even harder. from his perspective, he fianlly proved to everyone else he could make his dream come true (scare) when it counts... only to realize No. he couldn't. and that forcing him to prove he can... and then reality hitting him even harder that nope. he can't and he has to accept it
Probably my favorite thing about the Mario movie's writing is that it didn't feel the need to have a third act misunderstanding. They even made fun of the trope with Mario and Donkey Kong using their common ground to attempt to strike a nerve with each other.
@@ShenDoodles with them you could argue they had the opposite of a third act break up given they started with a genuine animosity towards each other. their moment of "third act breakup" is more like "them finding a common ground while still acting like jerks towards each other yet it is clear they kinda see each other as minimum friendly rivals cooperating at that point"
It's honestly pretty crazy how often you'll have that "The creators tried to FORCE this to be an ending" but it literally doesn't matter because the people incharge are not story tellers, they just want more products to milk the IP. It will almost never work trying to make a "definitive ending with nowhere left to go" because there will be another one forced into existence for as long as the IP is profitable.
@@joshuaW5621for this movie, I don't blame people who blame the writers of TS4 because if you hired a regular Toy Story fan to write it, they would had done a wayyy better job since they understand the messages and the characters of the franchise better than whoever was in charge of 4
I think starting 2018 with Ralph Breaks the Internet killed whatever momentum Disney had with their revivial era when all the films in their output from 2018 to 2020 featured the breaking/ending of major relationships, especially in their sequel films. Ralph Breaks the Internet, Toy Story 4, Avengers: Endgame, Frozen II all ended with the major relationships breaking/ending/separating FoR cHaRaCtEr DeVeLoPmEnT! At least Avengers had the excuse since their dealing with live action actors whose stories must wrap and their contracts are ending.
I didn’t watch Toy Story 4 so, why did Gabby think getting Woody’s voice box would work? I’ve haven’t heard a voice box as old as Woody’s have a re-record option so Gabby is a female doll that wants to have tea and respond “reach for the sky” and other cowboy sayings in Woody’s voice Instead of being broken she would be defective: which could mean the exact same thing to a child picking out a toy
She says her disc is perfectly fine And that's got the actual voice lines But the box itself doesn't work It doesn't make a lot of sense but that's the explanation
@@Mermain123 It makes plenty of sense for early talking toys from the 50s-70s. Bear in mind even Teddy Ruxpin could play any cassette tape in place of the one it came with.
You'd think she'd find a way to order replacement parts on ebay. Like, surely she can get access to a phone or computer in the store somehow. Hell, Woody could easily suggest it since he's friends with Trixie and Rex who are avid PC users and he should know about online stores and similar from TS2. Doll collectors likely have working replica replacement parts because they LOVE TO KEEP THEIR DOLLS IN PRISTINE CONDITION AND WOULD KNOW ABOUT ANY BATCHES THAT WERE RECALLED FOR DEFECTIVE STUFF AND KNOW HOW TO FIX THEM.
Heck, Ducky (Toy Story 1) >>> Ducky (Toy Story 4) TS1 Ducky, as minor of a character as he was, got his own little action scene that affected the plot, as he and Legs were in charge of ringing the doorbell to get rid of Scud. TS4 Ducky, as well as Bunny, are there for lulz and do nothing important the entire movie.
As far as I'm concerned, it did. They retcon events of the past with a "flashback" and the characters out completely out of character. It's not difficult to completely separate Toy Story 4 because it doesn't even feel like a proper follow-up in any way.
The characters are jarringly out of character in Toy Story 4. Buzz behaves nothing like he did in the second and third movie, Woody blatantly goes against his core philosophy for the first 3 movies (you know, the thing that made him more honourable than the other toys in Toy Story 3?). Bo Peep is obviously nothing like how she was in the first two movies, and is now the generic self-insert girlboss character you've seen a million times. Honestly, it comes across as though the makers of Toy Story 4 didn't even bother to watch the first 3 movies, and just guessed how the characters should be written based on a brief character summary or something. Like "Bo Peep cares for her sheep and the other toys" becomes "Bo Peep is a badass toy defender". "Buzz Lightyear is brave and heroic even though he's just a toy" becomes "Buzz Lightyear is a 1-dimensional airhead wannabe hero" etc.
My biggest problem with Bo Peep in this movie (other than her generic "girl boss" attitude that constantly made me roll my eyes), is that she's just kinda... mean. I'm sure the writers meant for her to be sassy and independent, but that's not really how she comes across imo. I think that's also why she feels so OOC despite not having much of a personality in TS1 and 2. In those movies she was never mean, rude, or inconsiderate. In 4, that's kinda all she is. Hell, she actually was occasionally sassy in those films and it worked better cuz that wasn't *all* she was. And I'm not even saying this as a Bo Peep fan. I, like a lot of kids who grew up with Toy Story, didn't really care that much about Bo. I'm saying that this bothers me so much, because I'm a fan of Woody. And seeing a character that I grew up with, a character I genuinely *like,* be pushed around and treated like the butt of the joke by another character that used to be his *friend* (if not more) is just... sad. The writers also did a terrible job of convincing me (and a lot of other people it seems) that Bo actually cares about Woody. Their relationship feels entirely one-sided and pathetic. Not only could you not convince me that Bo genuinely wants Woody around, but you 100% could not convince me that Woody would choose her over *ALLLLLL* of his other friends who, at this point, he's probably known longer and better than this version of Bo Peep. Especially not when they all treat him better and with more respect than her.
I disagree with that entirely first of all I grew up with the original toy story movies and I can try to tell you bo peep not even a character at all she was just Woody's girlfriend she had no significant roles in the franchise remember in toy story 3 the character just completely disappeared without a trace it was mentioned but was never shown which goes to show let the filmmakers didn't know what to do with this character at the time so they just get rid of her. You may not be convinced that Bo peep cares about Woody but I don't feel the same way
u said it. the last shot of 3 was the clouds just like the ones on andys wallpaper & thats how the first movie all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that kicked ass but not a fourth movie & sure af not a fifth damn one
@@MegaSoulHero I actually just watched it last night. What a coincidence. It was really fun! I wouldn't have any idea, since this is like a prequel to the series I guess he can't mess it up too badly
@@popsingerstar and they kinda already spoiled that buzz and the gang will come back and it just feels even more forced than what 4 already was. I can only hope they fix Woody's character because I cannot believe he left his friends. It's like they just threw all his development into the trash while telling you the entire movie how HE IS trash. Just. Hate the movie with a passion
Toy story 5 will be about toys vs ipad kids i hope that the movie will not be fulled with brainrot. I also hope toy story 5 will not cause the incredibles 3 to be rushed like how toy story 4 caused the incredibles 2 to be rushed
Been waiting so long for you to rip this one to pieces Enter! Well done! The original Tpy Story trilogy Is an absolute classic collection of films and this entry wrecked all of that. Glad to see you give it the attacking it deserves
"Stinky Pete and Lotso didn't do permanent damage to the toys" Uhhh... The whole idea behind Lotso is he's intentionally placing toys in an area where they can be destroyed and never find love. It's made pretty clear that MANY toys have met their end thanks to him! Also, he tried to personally trash Woody and the gang, AND walked away instead of saving them from the incinerator just to spite them! Directly or indirectly, he has toy blood on his hands! ...Toy stuffing? Toy battery acid? Whatever.
Also, Enter seemed to have left out the fact that Gabby Gabby literally told Woody he could have his voice box back after Harmony rejected her. But Woody decided not to because his heart is too good
Doesn't change the fact that Gabby Gabby got off easy. Lotso was rightfully punished for his deeds. Gabby probably caused permanent damage to Woody by ripping out his voice box because of her desperation to have an owner. And she is rewarded for it.
@@pranavrao6370 Except, as @superjackster0165 pointed out, she offered to return the voice box once her plans fell through, but Woody refused. Also, Woody ultimately GAVE her his voicebox willingly. Something he didn't even need since he had decided he wasn't worried about being stuck to one kid anymore, but realized Gabby needed in order to find one. Yes, it greatly reduces the collectors value, but, as Toy Story 2 and Toy Story of Terror established, toy collecting is vilified. A toy is made to be played with until it can no longer be played with, end of story. Plus, after Gabby got what she wanted, she let everyone go, while the last three villains(four, if you count Cleric from Toy Story That Time Forgot) were more than happy to tear them to shreds. And no, I'm not trying to say "Uh, this movie is good, actually, and Gabby's plan makes perfect sense", I just don't see Gabby as the villain so many others are trying to establish her as. ...Including the movie itself, since her authoritarian reign over the antique shop isn't really elaborated on, probably because they were worried she would be too similar to Lotso from the previous movie.
This opinion shouldn’t have been made, it should’ve stopped before it was typed. 4 is very flawed but it wasn’t close to impossible to write a better continuation from 3.
This movie's moral compass for the characters was so warped. I remember watching it with family for the first (and last) time, and every time happy emotional music started playing, our faces all had this look of confusion and disgust as the "righteous" action being portrayed felt like a complete mockery of everything we valued from the original three movies.
If this movie has a million haters I'm one of them If this movie has a thousand haters I'm one of them If this movie has a hundred haters I'm one of them If this movie has one hater it's gamingmagic13 he really hates this movie
Another thing I didn't like in this movie was how much the Toys broke their own rules, compared to the Trilogy. Woody gave Bonnie the materials to make Forky, Buzz basically spoke to her, & the toys took control of the RV.
To be fair, the rules get broken alot in the first 3 to. In the first movie the toys literally stage an uprising against Sid to scare the crap out of him. In the second movie they steal a pizza planet truck so that they can drive to an airport to rescue Woody. And in the third movie Woody literally leaves notes for Andy. With the exception of Sid though, whenever they did something, they're usually never caught. And as long as that doesn't happen they can pretty much do whatever they want.
Or it should start with Woody waking up from a nightmare and telling to Buzz and the others "I saw a terrible dream that I left you guys behind! I would never do that. Also, somehow a fork came to life and Bo was abusing me the entire time"
8:44 I know he was just being used as an example here, but the reason Mr. Potatohead didn't have a major role in Toy Story 4 is because his voice actor had died by the point recording came around, so they used archival footage for him.
@@pallydan893They probably weren't going to use Mr. Potato Head at all after Don Rickles died, but his family asked Pixar if there was any way he could still be in the movie. From what I remember, he only has one line ("Watch it!") and is silent for the rest of it. I don't know what their plan is for Toy Story 5, but it would make the most sense to recast him.
Despite the numbers, Shrek Forever After is basically the Toy Story 3 of the franchise, while Shrek the Third is like Toy Story 4 in terms of necessity lol
Shrek 4 also had more of a reason to be made. At least the movie before it wasn't good, so Shrek 4 could (in theory) end the series on a better note than Shrek 3 would have. Toy Story 3 was a perfect ending to a nearly flawless trilogy. It was a tough act to follow from the start.
Long running tv shows and cartoons, and yes even movies, have something called a "Writer's Guide" So newcoming writers and producers understand the characters, their personalities and purposes. Im confident Toy Story 4 didnt have a writer's guide, so these new writers and creators interpreted the characters wrong. Giving us dimwitted Buzz and awful Woody.
I don't know if it was just me, but anyone else feel royally robbed we didn't really get to spend time with Bonney's toys? Also, Duke Caboom is actually kind of fun. I could easily see him working in a GOOD Toy Story.
For real. They had so many characters that were barely explored (or completely unexplored) to work with, and they just ditched them all for the carnival toys.
Duke Caboom makes me insanely sad. I just wanted a happy ending for him and being a "lost toy" isn't that. The second movie shows that being abandoned by your kid is one of the most heart-wrenching things that could happen to a toy. There's a whole song dedicated to it. In Toy Story 4 it's played for laughs, with Bo treating what is essentially Duke's PTSD as a nuisance. At least Jessie 1. Got years of making fond memories for Emily. She got to know the love of a child. Duke never got that chance because he was abandoned by his first and only kid almost immediately. 2. Jessie was also able to go on to make other children happy as Andy's toy and later Bonnie's. When Bonnie outgrows her, you can imagine Jessie can move on to making other children happy. It's heavily implied that Duke never had an owner after his first kid. By the end, he still has no owner. I think a good ending for Duke could've been him being bought by an adult collector. Maybe someone who had the same toy in their childhood and misses it, or who was a fan of the real-life stuntman. Maybe Duke finds fulfillment in what Woody wouldn't - being a display item. It subverts the second movie, sure, but without destroying it. Collectables bring adults joy in the same way toys bring kids joy. Duke being a collector's item could mean he is still cherished and loved by his owner, and is still bringing joy to a child - the hypothetical adult's "inner child." Heck, it would even make sense with his character and his love for posing. His new owner might enjoy displaying him in a variety of cool poses. At the end of the day, he still is doing what all the other toys do, albeit in a different way.
I think it actually makes narrative sense that bopeep is just sort of a stuck in her simplicity, shes not even a toy, shes a porcelain lamp. It would've been a far more interesting story to find bopeep in the antique shop, where she's actually happy not being played with. It could serve as a dichotomy to forkie. Much like how forky has a core drive of being trash, bo would have a core drive of being a delicate antique. It couldve served as a way for woody to have to question what it actually means to even be a toy, get into the mud of WHY toys need a kid, and having some existential questions about what anyones purpose is. It could've been a moment of having to accept that people go their separate ways when bo doesnt come with him and have him face having lost andy. In fact they couldve set that all up by having him NOT being bonnies favorite toy, and just being sorta left as a bottom of the box nobody (harking back to themes of the original movie). You end up with a movie where Woody loses his purpose in life and watches literal trash that doesnt even care about his position become what he once was, then later finding that an old love interest has happily moved on and unlike him has no problem coping with not being played with, and him having to learn that maybe there is more to life then his predetermined purpose of being a toy, ultimately leading to him going his separate way to find a new place in the world and reach the same ending they clearly wanted of a 'farewell for good' scene... ...but instead we just get the trope of a strong independent woman who is a bad ass snarky fighter thats perfect in all ways and a genius that knows everything who belittles and undermines the main character... because of course we did.
I certainly didn't fall for this version of Bo Peep being perfect if that's what they were going for, as she came off more as an egomaniac and a jerk.
Woody rejecting having a kid also goes against the reason he didn’t want to be in the museum in Toy Story 2. Buzz literally called him out about how meaningless his life would be behind glass and never being played with again.
I remember when they announced Toy Story 4 and I rejected it instantly. I thought it was a cash grab for money. I vowed to never watch it and only recognize the original trilogy. After watching this, I dodged a major bullet. I was proven right. This is just sad. Also, keep up the amazing work Enter. I've been watching you for a long time and you keep getting better.
@@JacksonMarczyk well there are two people I found that don’t hate this film, and those people are Cartoonshi and the Average critic, not saying I’m forcing you to change your mind
You're right, I don't like how this movie tries to focus on one situation, and then in the next scene it's completely forgotten about. Forky's situation of who he is, and what his purpose is, is established in only A FEW MINUTES OF HIS ARRIVAL. Then he's reduced to being held hostage by Gabby Gabby for the remainder of the film. So what exactly, was the point of this ? There was no reason to make Forky a character AT ALL, if the writers didn't know what to do with him after they already told his story in a few minutes.
The writers created Forky so they can make fun of people who suffer from depression, because he keeps saying "I'm trash" and often tries to off himself throughout the movie
@@demosneokleous4877 Yeah, and despite the implications of suicide. It's disguised as a joke in the form of a Randy Newman musical number, and a whole montage of Woody trying to stop Forky throwing himself in the trash, was made out of it.
Absolutely not. Pixar’s best movies are sequels. Toy Stories 2-4 are fantastic, every Cars sequel was great, Ralph Breaks the Internet was amazing… shall I go on?
@@jaxsterminator8634out of the ones you mentioned, only Toy Story 2 and 3 are good sequels. Cars 2 is a good movie in my opinion but it feels more like a spinoff than a sequel
The movie would have been just ok, if it wasn't connected to 3 movies that were objectively better than it. Might have been better if it was a lone spinoff about Bo Peep and her weird mindset of the world instead of adding Woody and the others into it.
@@roachmorphine8018 The problem with media is that you can put all the effort and quality into something, but if your audience says it's bad, it's bad. Look at the video-game Concord, oh wait, it was removed from existence because the customer didn't want it despite years of effort and around 200 million in investment.
My lord, one simple change to save Buzz (somewhat) at the end was for him to; despite the voice box telling him to leave Woody a million times, for Buzz to ignore it and go after Woody anyway. Ya know... like he did in Toy Story 2? ... Nah, there's no way any of the characters could be a thing outside of the 4th movie...
The Brave Little Toaster is also a masterpiece in my opinion. Very much prototype Pixar, from clever writing, to impressive visuals, to themes of abandonment and drawing surprising character drama from inanimate objects. Would love a video on it.
I think the biggest problem is that the filmmakers probably decided (or were told by Disney) upfront that Woody and Buzz had to “break up” at the end to score emotional points, and the movie was built around that idea. The only problem is anyone who watched the first three movies would know that idea is absurd on its face and goes against all the morals of the series. They couldn’t make a movie around that idea WITHOUT dismantling the previous ones
So, I've been thinking about this, but what if TS4 wasn't the fourth movie, but instead a 30-60 minute TV special like Toy Story of Terror and Time Forgot? And as for the plot, how about this: Several years have passed and Woody has gone with numerous owners after Bonnie (At this point he's been separated from Buzz, Jessie, and the others due to being handed off to different owners) until he eventually is given to someone who lacks interest in him that he throws him away. He then freaks out about being a lost toy but eventually meets Bo, who, like in the original 4, is also a lost toy and tells him stories about how she's been a lost toy for many years. She enlists his help in getting another lost toy who has been kidnapped by Gabby (not Forky), and through it, like in canon 4, he comes to realize how much he enjoys helping lost toys find new owners. After the rescue, due to no longer having an owner, he resolves to stay with Bo to help more lost toys in need for owners, like in canon. This would allow the ending of TS4 to still work here and not ruin 3's ending for everyone.
It would be really funny if the fifth one just undoes the ending of the fourth one and everyone is together again lmao. 95% sure that’s what’s gonna happen. But fr though I think the best direction that it can take at this point is up. Just go back to basics you know what I mean? Kinda like how 4 is just 1 but more meta, but strip the meta away (at least for the most part). Like Woody will probably miss the virtue of being loved by a kid or some shit and that could be a major conflict. Especially since the fifth one will allegedly explore kids being glued to iPads now; children’s senses of imagination could be at stake and it needs to be reaffirmed. Just some thoughts.
How is Forky alive? That’s what so many people asked when they saw the movie. It’s definitely not a kid’s imagination cause there are toys that are sentient even if they’ve never been played with, and it’s not having Bonnie’s name written on him because other toys are sentient without that.
The beginning of Toy Story 5 should just be Woody suddenly crawl back into the window of Bonnie's room, and when everyone asks about the carnival and Bo Peep he just says, "I'm over that crap." Be just as dismissive to the 4th movie as it was to the first 3.
Or him waking up from a nightmare and telling to Buzz and the other toys "I just saw a terrible dream where I left you guys behind! I would never do that. Also a fork has somehow come to life and Bo was treating me like crap the entire time."
12:06 Also at the beginning of the movie why was Woody so sad after not being played with for 3 DAYS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!?!?!?!?!? In Toy Story 3 it was established that he hasn't been played with in years but he's getting disappointed after 3 days? Especially since later in the middle of the movie during the road trip Bonnie is playing with him again so I don't know why he doesn't think Bonnie would care about him and he shouldn't have lived with Bo.
“Somewhere inside that ball of stuffing is a toy who taught me life’s only worth living if you’re being loved by a kid. And I came all this way to rescue that toy, because I believed him.” Josh Cooley: Yeah fuck all that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Finally, a wise mind that sees what kind of crap Toy Story 4 is. Thank you! Seriously, it should have ended at 3. I remember watching 2, even though I had already considered it a perfect ending, I still got excited hearing about the 3rd coming on. You know how kids work. When I heard about 4, I had a huge question mark. How were they going to top it? The answer is simple, by deconstructing, or throwing away, every single idea and moral the previous three films had. And now I hear about 5, and I'm disgusted. They should take this chance to fix everything 4 has ruined, but I seriously doubt they will. So I guess that's for the best that I pretend 4 never happened. Furthermore, that the 3's ending was actually different, that Andy's toys went to the attic. Bonnie doesn't deserve Woody. If they really wanted to separate Woody from the rest, they should have just let him go to college with Andy. Way to ruin your best franchise, Disney-Pixar.
I know they've made a few specials, but something I've always thought that they should've done is make either a TV series or a Disney+ series about the toys' adventures now that they're Bonnie's owners. That way they can still continue the Toy Story IP without ruining 3's ending.
That would've been challenging because most of the voice cast (most notably Tom Hanks and Tim Allen) are these big celebrities with very busy schedules
@@superjackster0165in other Toy Story media including video games and toys, Woody is voiced by Tom Hanks' brother Jim Hanks, Buzz is voiced by Mike MacRae and Jessie is voiced by Kat Cressida and they all sound very alike to their film counterparts
Another bad thing about this movie is that it doesn't seem to get how it's primary MacGuffin works. Pull string voice boxes don't keep playing clips when you keep the string pulled back, especially in an old cowboy doll like Woody. you release the string and then pull it back before it fully recedes back into the toy and it just rewinds the current clip.
Another thing about this movie: It initially was meant to come out in 2018, but swapped release dates in Incredibles 2 ... and let's say it showed with how rushed the latter movie felt.
Ngl that would be accurate too lol Toy Story 2 and 3 showed pre- and post-Disney buyout that sequels could be profitable in theaters during a time when those were relegated to smaller straight to VHS and DVD projects, so then they made a bunch of sequels of varying quality from 2011 onward
You're not wrong though. The first movie was almost cancelled by Disney due to Jeffrey Katzenberg's insistence on making the film dark and edgier to make the film for Adults.
My personal biggest problem with this movie is the fact that Bo Peep got so much attention at all. Like he mentioned, anything she did was going to feel out of character because she never had a personality. Bo Peep was never that important. She was just Woody's crush. So to center almost a whole movie around her just doesn't make any sense. Couple that with them trying too hard to make her seem strong which did nothing but give her that generic "I don't need no man" energy and she's just irritating to watch. Like, they already have a strong female with Jessie and she acts like a normal person. So I don't get why they felt the need to take Bo Peep in this direction.
One of the sad parts is that the early trailers, the one that basically only showed off "so this is Sporky, the new character" actually had some potential to make something interesting, as long as it didn't overexplain stuff. Namely, what is the "start" of a toy? We see in 1 and 2 that toys don't "activate" merely when they are made. But rather, its either after their first kid leaves the room or in the case of the toystore, when they were interacted with by an "activated" toy. Even ones like Buzz who legitimately thought he was a space ranger also seem to usually have an innate knowledge of the "rules" around when they can move too. If 4 had explored this a bit, it could also have explored a bit the concept of when a toy "stops." At what point will something recognized as a toy (i.e. able to act and move when no one is looking) cease to be active anymore? Is there such a criteria, however nebulous, after which a toy is just forever stilled?
I think the one with the roll call did masterfully to raise my expectation for this movie because the actual one crammed half the toys in the RV while the trailer made us think they were all gonna go rescue/find Sporky. Like, you’re tellin’ me they left Pricklepants at home?
If I found out that the cherished, rare collector's item toy that my dad (probably) passed down to me that I gave to the neighbor kid was completely shafted by a fork, I'd ask for it back, to be completely honest.
I think all of us would. And that really pisses me off about the fourth movie since it makes the great ending of 3 pointless
@demosneokleous4877 I know I would! I know Andy taking Woody back would have defeated the purpose of him moving on and growing up, but what they did to Woody at the end was just criminal 😞Andy thinking Woody is safe with Bonnie when he's stranded as a lost toy at a carnival. I would have rather him stay as a family heirloom and get passed down to Andy's children.
I wouldn’t have given him to her in the first place to be honest.
The reason why Bo wasn’t in Toy Story 3 is because the writers said they couldn’t justify a porcelain doll surviving the events of the movie, so they wrote her out rather than kill her off.
Toy Story 4 forgot that porcelain is delicate…
Though they *did* nod to it since one of her arms is bandaged and detaches, but it gets rendered moot since she was turned into a generic "no frills all thrills action gf"
She just stopped caring! "Here for a good time, not a long time"
I figured Bo Peep was gone from Toy Story 3 because Andy felt silly having a doll among his toy collection. Still…you’d think he’d give Bo Peep to his sister instead.
@@Sir_Persevere Bo was in Andy’s room because Molly slept there iirc. Not sure where her lamp was in 2 but we clearly see Barbie dolls in his room at the end of the movie so I’d assume that Andy and Molly’s toys just visit each other’s rooms frequently
@@roachmorphine8018I understood that reference.
The thing that irritates me most about this movie being a "deconstruction" is that the entire series was *already* a deconstruction of his mindset. In each movie, he's presented with a scenario that conflicts with his ideals, from being replaced as Andy's favorite toy to being made aware of his disposable nature to having his owner finally grow up. And yet, despite all of that, the movies would find a way to have him move on and grow as a character without betraying his entire ideology, unlike this movie...
How cute would it have been if Gabby was desperate for a voicebox the entire movie so that Harmony would love her, but she fails/is thwarted. Then, at the end, another girl finds her and doesn't *care* that the doll doesn't talk!
Because there are, in fact, kids like that. The toy doesn't have to *do* something for them to be loved.
Well, that's exactly what happens in the ending of one of the scrapped versions of the movie, where Bonnie still loves Woody despite not having his voice box anymore.
In my opinion, this is how the movie should have went down. Forkie gets scrapped altogether. He doesn't need to be a character. Bonnie still loves Woody but she leans to Jessie a bit more which does lead to moments of jealousy. It's understandable because some girls would naturally like girl dolls more than boy dolls. She doesn't cruelly forget about him and still play with him but you can understand Woody's perspective. When he gets lost and run into Bo Beep, it becomes a matter of conflict for Woody. To choose between his owner and love of his life who's also treating him nastily. Gabby gets found by the same girl in the film who loves her, and Woody stands true to his morals, saying that "Even if he is not Bonnie's favorite toy, life is still worth being love by a kid, and you seem to have forgotten that, Bo." And Bo comes to her senses, and they all become Bonnie's toys. That's inheriting true to what's been established.
I can relate, I had a bear that glowed rainbow colors, but I still loved the bear even when its battery stopped working.
god damn. that would've been nice to see the movie end that way with that moral of not having to do something in order to have value.
it seemed to me the goal pixar had was to have Woody basically have his Captain America Endgame send off moment and that didn't work at all for me.
I'm an adult and I have plushies and some anime figures with some wear or defects on them yet I still love having them. :)
Toy Story 4's stance is that Stinky Pete and Lotso were right: the best way for a toy to live *IS* with no owner.
For me what Toy Story 4 stance is, that Lotso did kill buzz, by resetting his entire mind.
Woody Became Lotso, and has the mindset of “Andy replaced us.” Or “Bonnie replaced us.” Becoming a dictator in Toy Story 5.
It even contradicts its own plot!
Woody trying to convince Forky to stay with Bonnie, telling it how much being a toy means to a kid, how great it is to be loved by a kid... helping Gabby Gabby find a kid after reaffirming to her that being a kid's toy is the greatest thing...
The guy preaching that stance then decides to peace out, that childless is the life for him.
But Lotso did have an owner
"We're all just trash, waiting to be thrown away!"
-Lotso Huggin Bear
@@aaronfield7899 Lotso left his owner behind. That means "no owner."
The fact this movie was the reason Incredibles 2 was pushed ahead in the mediocre state it was in.
Just proves Toy Story 4 didn’t need to exist. At all.
Are you sure about that, because there’s two people I found I that don’t Hate, and those people are Cartoonshi and The average critic, not like my opinion disproves anything.
Andy at the end of Toy Story 3:
“But the thing that makes Woody special, is he'll never give up on you... ever. He'll be there for you, no matter what.”
Woody at the end Toy Story 4:
*ditches Bonnie and all his friends
Yep, this exactly the reason I fucking hate 4 with a passion.
@@hatdude7544 He didn't ditched them he found a bigger purpose in life, to help other toys and kids. Jessie and Buzz are perfectly capable of leading the way Woody led and being there for Bonnie
@@DDarkestKnightWoody wasn’t prepping his friends to be in a lead toy role or seeking to deepen the bond between toys and kids through becoming a solo toy. He might not have admitted to betrayal or abandonment but it’s certainly closer to his true actions. If his motivation was to develop stronger toy relationships with humans he would have said so. Woody didn’t like not being played with to the point where he no longer cared if he was or not, especially after thinking no human except Andy felt he was that special of a toy.
@@DDarkestKnightI think you’re missing the point here.
Woody’s main character trait is his loyalty to his kid and his friends. With him leaving behind both of those for Bo Peep, he effectively went against all the morals he preached and learned in the last three movies.
Woody always promised he’d stick by to his friends.
Woody always promised to stick by to his owner (Andy, and now Bonnie.)
Woody did leave his friends to try to go back to Andy alone in the third movie, but guess what? When learning about Lotso and Sunnyside Daycare’s true nature, he made it a point to sneak back and wouldn’t rest until his friends were all rescued.
Woody always wanted to be loved and there for his kid, even if he wasn’t played with. And, the real Woody wouldn’t go crazy over not being played with for “3” days. He and his friends have been in Andy’s toy box for several YEARS when Andy got older and was starting to let go of his toys.
@@runningoncylinders3829 He didn't need to prep them they naturally grew into it, as naturally as Woody is growing into his new role. Nothing he did was betrayal or abandonment, there's a reason he didn't need to say anything, why Buzz encouraged him, why the toys gave him a group hug. This was the veteran's well deserved retirement. And it's not about not caring if he was played with anymore, it's about helping other toys experience the great thing he's gotten to do.
I always love the irony, that forky is a toy alot of less fortunate kids would make in place of toys. And then they sell actual toys on the shelves of this character that less fortunate kids can't buy, either.
That's marketing folks.
@@darthkhan29x98 How do you market to less fortunate kids who can not buy your product?
Dramatic irony in its finest.
At least it's the easiest for a kid to make themselves
@@joshuaW5621 That's regular irony. Dramatic irony only happens within a story.
Let's be real, here. Pixar was not really responsible for greenlighting this sequel, this was a sequel Disney demanded. And since Disney owns Pixar, Pixar couldn't refuse to do it. Even Toy Story 3 started life before Disney acquired Pixar, and I think this shows where Disney has gone wrong these days: Unnecessary sequels to franchises that didn't need them.
I suppose the same can be said for Incredibles 2. Brad Bird himself said that he'd only be interested in making a sequel to The Incredibles if 1. It was to surpass the status of the original and 2. If the sequel contained a story that they clearly wanted to tell. But Bird and his team had extreme time constraints to get the film done on time considering they had story issues and a lot of cut content. Regardless, despite Bird being confident in the film that they made, it still ended up being a disappointment to all; to Disney, and especially Pixar.
Well, unfortunately, it’s because Disney desn’t care about making great films, they only care about making great profits. It’s saddening, but hey, what are you gonna do?
@@arbytv5139 The thing is, I don't think Brad Bird was in it for the money. After all, he said this himself: "So, if it were a cash grab, we would not have taken 14 years. It makes no financial sense to wait this long. It’s simply we had a story that we wanted to tell."
It just proves that the higher ups demand what they churn out, whether it's for money, for creative purposes, or otherwise.
All the more proof of corporate greed getting in the way of creativity and genuine good storytelling. Because who cares of making a sequel for the right reasons, as long as it makes money, riiiiight?
It's quite a sad state to see Pixar be dragged like this. ^^;
@@OwenMiller-q2g I wasn’t talking about creative minds like Brad Bird, I was talking about corporations like Disney.
“This isn’t a story anymore: it’s just things happening!”
Honestly, I think that when Gabby Gabby's voice box gets used, it should have said "There's a snake in my boot." in Woody's voice.
As hilarious as that would’ve been, she explicitly states that her voicebox; what allows the audio to be played, is what’s broken. Not her record; the thing that carries all of her phrases.
@davyjones3105 to be fair though, there were a good number of plot holes, including a moment in the Randy Newman Montage showing Bonnie playing with not just Forky, but Woody too.
Honestly sounds like a funny thing that would happen in a UA-cam Poop.
@@BoldActionSkitty yeah, but it would have probably improved the scene.
Woody is an old stuffed toy. He can't fix himself like Bo by sticking duct tape on himself. It's damp outside, he'll get dirty, rot, and moldy over time, and no kid will touch him with a long stick. What were the writers thinking when they decided he should live outdoors?
I don't even know HOW Bo Peep fixed herself with duct tape. Did she like, take off her head and her brain (if she even has one) did all the taping for her? This is ridiculous.
Bo is made of porcelain, that’s extremely fragile even for duct tape but plot needs to plot I guess
Even bo probably shouldn't have been able to fix herself, since she's made of delicate porcelain.
Right? That’s what I thought after seeing the movie.
It's called sentimental shabbiness. Lots of kids love toys regardless of their age and wear, even preferring them that way over restoring them to their original mint condition. Have you NEVER had a toy that you loved despite or even BECAUSE it was so worn with age?
As someone who watched Toy Story 1-3 over and over again (with the rest of the Golden Era of Pixar. Born in 2005), it's embarrassing to see what Disney has done to the company I loved and the franchise that made my childhood.
Same
10:02 “Don’t leave toys behind, Buzz.”
“Aaand he left me behind.”
Sums it up pretty much
The problem with Toy Story 4 is that it just didn’t need to be made. Toy Story 3 wrapped up with the best ending you could possibly give the characters and did it in such a way it realistic for the show’s universe. Why make a sequel to that? Because the brand recognition prints money
everything you said is bullshit and you know it
It’s not Andy story. Although TS4 could’ve been better.
In TS4's defence, 3 feels like an open ended ending. You could follow Bonnie and her toys and even have the premise of kids of a newer generation, being a toy that a kid loses interest in over time, guiding the new toys through this experience, or even following the kid for once since andy has mostly been a motivation for the cast.
Toystory 3 isn't like a series like avatar the last Airbender or Kingdom Hearts where it's building up to fighting a big bad. It's more like like Blues Clues or pokemon where you can pass the torch and continue the story for as long as you have ideas for it.
@@trickstercj4366 I will also say in defense of Toy Story 4 that it also has some sort of a conclusion style ending. The tear-jerking ending of Woody and Buzz's partnership, and Woody getting back together with the love of his life. On those merits, I can let Toy Story 4 slide.
Now I have heard about the idea for the script about Toy Story 5, and I will say that out of context, it's actually interesting. The only problem, though, is that it's Toy Story 5.
"Lightyear" would disagree. Brand recognition doesn't sell a thing if said brand is basically just a crude skin being worn by utter sludge. This isn't hard, as proven by Star Command standing on it's own legs, but apparently, Pixar thought otherwise.
The thing that I don't like about Bo-Peep's role in this movie, is because of the logical inconsistency. I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but Bo is a "toy" only in the technical sense; _she's a lamp._ Sure, she can detach from her mount and has some articulation, but you can still see she's made of porcelain; throughout all the movies that feature her, the lighting on her skin shows that the material she's made of is shinier and reflects light differently than the rubber or plastic the others are made of.
The reason she was written out of Toy Story 3 is that, given what the toys go through in that movie, realistically, Bo would not survive. Any too rough treatment and she would _shatter._ And the writers admit that this is why she was written-out; it's probably why RC isn't featured as well, considering that only the vaguely humanoid and articulate toys were featured. They'd be the only ones able to make the journey.
The saddest part about all of this is, Toy Story 4 _acknowledges_ that Bo is made of porcelain. Looking at the footage used in this video, you see that her skin is shinier than all the other toys, indicating that _yeah, she's still made of porcelain._ So it's really a huge contrivance that the movie expects us to believe that she's not only as articulate and agile as she is, but that in the _years_ she's been a lost-toy, she hasn't _shattered._
@@GanonGhidorah Oh, it's even worse in the movie. There's a scene where Woody accidentally pulls her arm apart, but she just laughs it off and tapes it back on. Even this film acknowledged how frail she should be, yet still wants us to believe she's so strong and tough and can do all these things ...
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 They never were clear on what defines a toy ,
What's even FUNNIER is how long she's been a lost toy isn't even accurate to her own claim. If the short film "Lamp Life" is indeed canon, then Bo stayed with at least two different families - first of which is for several YEARS - which leaves not enough years of wiggle room for the 7 years of being a lost toy to even be feasible.
And even in that short it's a "how tf did she not get broken" in several instances of rough handling.
@@Kiri68419wait, so the fourth movie wants me to believe that she's been a lost toy for 7 years and she hasn't broken the slightest?
I was conflicted on the movie at first, but I knew it was really bad when Woody and Bo Peep are discussing things on their way to the antique store to rescue Forky and Bo explains her Lost Toy mindset as "why have just one kid, when you can have all this?". Which sounds... eerily similar to Stinky Pete's pitch to Woody to go to the museum in Japan. That should have been a red flag to Woody that maybe he shouldn't be listening to Bo, that he should be remembering the lessons he's learned over the course of the previous movies and his long years as a toy... but instead he looks at her in awe, like she's so wise and cool for abandoning loyalty and purpose for a vagabond's life. Their purpose was clear at that point, and the writing only got worse from there...
That and Buzz. Agreed, neither Space Ranger Buzz nor 10+ years self-aware Buzz should be confused by the concept of a conscience.
But even forgiving that, he should have stayed with Woody during the mandatory breakup, because THAT would have been a much better display of a conscience. His inner voice, his *real* inner voice, telling him his friend needs his help and companionship; not being arbitrarily told what to do but thinking for himself about what's right and what he needs to do... that would have been a great payoff, and would make him telling Woody to "listen to his inner voice" work a bit better since he realized what that means. But as it is it's just pathetic.
Plus it feels like they just wanted to utilize the stupid voice box more.
It feels like that's exactly what they were trying to do, but they just decided not to. Buzz didn't understand why the voice box was telling him to leave, and instead of going against it, he just......decides to listen to it?
“Jessie had an actual personality with an actual history and real motivations... and she also happened to be a girl.”
Hollywood: I don’t follow
Biggest problem I see in sequels/reboots nowadays is the writers have an inexplicable need to destroy whatever came before it.
Not true Ninja turtles has had a brunch of reboots and almost all have work also ben 10 got a million of reboots too
@@isaiahedmonson5832 Whoop dee doo, throw enough darts and you will hit the board
@@pallydan893 Ducktales 2017 is how you do a reboot
because the people in writing positions are vandals, they tear apart and smash the art of the past because they hate it and what it represents... it happened with star wars...its happening with live action remakes and it happened with toy story.
What modern disney is doing is basically what the south did to the civil war forming the "lost cause myth" they re revisionists, distortionists and they hate the past.
Destroy? No, improve. The younger generation is less likely to see the appeal of older works because a lot of elements that defined their novelty have become commonplace for the medium and genre.
Two quotes from the prevous TS movies that I think really summarize why this movie doesn't work:
YOU AREN'T THE REAL BUZZ LIGHTYEAR, YOU ARE AN ACTION FIGURE. YOU. ARE A CHILD'S PLAYTHING!!!! - Woody to Buzz
To do what Woody, watch kids behind glass and never be loved again? Some life. - Buzz to Woody.
And that last quote followed up on Buzz's speech to Woody why belonging to a kid matters and that he rescued him 'because I believed in him.'
Toy Story 4 in a nutshell: "Well you wasted your time." 😠
In TS2 Buzz repeated what Woody said to him, at the gas station back in movie 1; after which Woody says "For how much longer, Buzz?!"
@@AndrewsMagicandMore A mindset he soon walks back on, and soon is proven wrong on when Andy repairs him. And further proven wrong in 3 when Andy was planning to take Woody with him...
And one for the OP...
Buzz in TS2: "Woody risked his life to save mine. I couldn't call myself his friend if I wasn't willing to do the same."
Buzz in TS4: *ditches Woody because the magic conch said so*
I've always thought the answer for why the Toys care is because they feel the need to bring joy to their owner, and be a source of comfort whenever their owner needs them
this line of thought makes me think that a better and deconstructive toy story story would be a story about an orphan and their toy (their toy being their only friend in the world after their parents passed away or something like that).
@ianr.navahuber2195 I would absolutely watch a movie like that
@@Hack_Man_VII ...And cry even harder (than the ending of 3) when they make friends and find a home. It will be so fitting given how the world seems to only grow more distant despite having all the communication in the world, and people only wanting to belong...
@@ianr.navahuber2195that's good storytelling right there 👌
I love that Bo Peep does not have a single moment of hesitation, reaction, or any semblance of pity for seeing her supposed boyfriend saying goodbye to his entire life and friends. If she truly cared about him, surely she'd offer to come live with Bonnie or at least have SOME shock/surprise in seeing him say goodbye to his ENTIRE LIFE
She's abusive!! She wants to isolate him and take him away from his family while being toxic and talking down to him rather than see him be happy. It's entitled and it makes me feel so grossed out how she's supposed to be the "girlboss" of this movie.
What makes Bonnie all of a sudden lose interest in Woody make no sense is that when people use the "kids outgrow toys" defense for her, it's contradicted by the fact that she still plays with the other toys, who are in the exact same age demographic as Woody. So how is it that Bonnie outgrew Woody but not the other toys?
Right. And why JUST Woody and not maybe some of her other toys?
@@flaimthrowerzatwes19 Because Bonnie realized that Jessie was cooler.
People just have to hate 4 no matter what ir could have been all cause of what 3 was
Exactly! We aren't even given a lucid reason why Bonnie is all of a sudden not interested in Woody either. This entire movie felt more like a retcon than an actual sequel.
TS4 actually completely torpedoes its own point and sinks the inciting incident and Woody's motivations for the entire story like the Lusitania had been smuggling lead instead of weapons, because there's a scene in the "I Can't Let You Throw Yourself Away" montage where BONNIE IS PLAYING WITH WOODY.
Fun fact: The animators of toy story 4 agreed that the third movie should’ve been the finale to toy story
Similar sentiment I had for Inside Out 2. I hated the idea of a sequel because the film was a neatly tied bow. But the sequel retconned the ending of 1 by disregarding the credits showing every person had the same core 5 emotions and mixed emotional memories. I never watched it, however watching all of its trailers made me feel Pixar was making a cash-grab after releasing failures from the past year.
@@scrittle i have mixed feelings towards inside out 2
@@EEVEE_fan16 But they were given the opportunity to make 4 and it was fantastic
@@scrittledisney retconning the past? Perish the thought
@@scrittle I liked Inside Out 2 as a story. Inside out has a lot of potential, since emotions and your brain mature as you grow up.
Just... treat your animators with respect.
Here's what I would have done in Lightyear.
1. It takes place at Space Ranger Academy
2. Buzz is a fun-loving slacker who learns responsibility.
@@jonathanstern5537 so sorta like Sully in Monsters Universe?
Add more interesting settings and more interesting characters and you got a deal
Tie it into Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, and you print money!
@@jonathanstern5537 I would've not made it in the first place. The Buzz Lightyear of Star Command cartoon already shows Buzz's in-universe franchise. Besides, there are plenty of IP's that start as toys and later have cartoons based on them (G.I. Joe and He-man being perfect examples)
I would have had him befriend Warp Darkmatter and actually tie in the movie to the continuity established in Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, *and* the video game Rex played, *and* the few plot elements Buzz describes that clearly parody Star Wars. The frachise has already provided ample material to work with.
A user named GamingMagic13 made a six-hour video talking about the flaws of Toy Story 4. That takes true dedication.
At least MrEnter gets their point across effectively within 40 minutes. 6 hours just sounds like tripling the filler that was in the movie he’s talking about.
That video is so bad lol the dude spends minutes ranting about the likelihood of someone misplacing their keys
8 hours..... I think it was actually 8 hours. And the editing..... Oh dear God the editing was horrible!
@@grimey3480oh the horror, minutes spent on a tangent in a six hour breakdown
Gotta give it to enter for expressing how he feels in a short amount of time
Like, the big thing that bugged me about Toy Story 4 was that the previews I saw, the initial promotional material, were all built up around Forky. They all seemed to be building up the idea of what makes a toy a toy. Why is Forky alive? It was an interesting philosophical kind of idea! And then the actual movie just kinda skimmed over the whole concept.
I'm also glad that "because potatoes" still gets play, however subtly~
I thought that woulda been it too.
I was thinking that what they could have done was have Bonnie be a very poor kid who had to make Forky because her parents couldn't afford to buy her toys. Then her parents found Woody and gave him to her, and she replaces Forky with Woody - and Woody would have done to Forky in this movie what Buzz did to him in the first. Woody would then learn what it's like being on the other side of them fence and have to deal with the conflict with Forky that comes from it.
Toy Story that Time forgot presented a much more interesting concept. What happens when kids lose interest in toys and focus on playing video games instead. The short film never really resolved the issue either. The toys were able to turn off the TV, and the kids remembered the toys and started playing with them.
If a child's love and imagination is what makes a Toy come alive, it stands to reason that if a toy lost a connection to a child long enough they would eventually become lifeless. Imagine if Woody found Bo in the antique shop only to discover she was completely inert (dead)
@@pallydan893 Didn’t The Doll People already do that? 🤔
Fun fact: The director of Toy Story 4, Josh Cooley, went on to direct Transformers one 5 years later. And even as a casual transformers viewer, I thought it was still really good and surprisingly dark for what it is. So at least his film career is going to better places.
Honestly, if you look at his track record, I think he made TS4 this bad on purpose.
I thought the director was Michal bay
@@realsonictheheghog-tq6ix he made the live action ones. Josh Cooley directed Transformers one
How!?
The fact that Buzz told Woody "listen to your inner voice" was just immensely stupid considering every time buzz listened to his inner voice just made him mess everything up.
The "inner voice" trope is so dumb and it should had never been in the movie since in the previous movies Buzz was smarter and made his own decisions than pressing his buttons to make his next move
I personally just find the Movie mediocre. My biggest Problem with it (besides winning the Oscar over Klaus, I mean, come on) is that Bo Beep gets retconned as some Kind of Girlboss just for Jessie, a strong female Character that was already there, to be sidelined. I´m not saying there can only be one strong female Character in the Franchise and the Idea of Bo Beep having that Kind of Character Development is actually pretty good but the Way it´s handled feels unfair to what came before
Lamp Life revealed what Bo Peep went through between leaving the Davis residence and the events of 4.
@@pinkduskstone1543 I would have prefered it if they did it in the Movie
Maybe pairing (as in them being the protagonists this time, or the secondary protagonists) Bo with Jessie for the movie would've worked better, had they kept Bo's original personality, which is that of a calm, rational in control type of character that balances out Woody's neurotic anxieties, which also could've contrasted well with Jessie, who is a character that's a bit reckless and filled with her own fears
@@Duskool I like that Idea
@@DuskoolYES! Thank you!
Unnecessary sequels are such a plague aren’t they? Toy Story 1-3 is a perfect trilogy.
It is
I hate the third act break up as much as anyone but it can work, albeit very rarely.
Monsters University is like that one extremely rare example where I think it would be a detriment to the movie if you remove the third act break up. Sulley rigging the game is kinda surprising and it actually hurts. And I 100% buy it bringing them closer as friends in the end.
Wreck It Ralph’s was brutal. And Megamind had a really good one with Megamind and Roxanne. I just wish there wasn’t also wasn’t the lame Minion break up.
Oh yea, I also hate Toy Story 4.
I remember an earlier Mr. Enter video where he talks about how the third act breakup in Wreck It Ralph is one of the very rare times it actually worked. It didn’t hinder the plot and it made sense for both characters to have different motivations there. Wreck It Ralph is such a masterpiece. The sequel though, we don’t talk about.
The roxanne literal break-up really hurts (in a good way, is well written) because well, as she pointed out, megamind's actions haven't been the best so far and even she was surprised megamind thought the lies could work even when anyone realizes they would eventually backfire on him.
the minion one i forgive it because it is a consequence of megamind's actions about thinking he could have it all (have a relationship with roxanne; have a new hero to fight all while ignoring minion's warnings) thanks to his lies and deceit until it comes crashing down in his face
the monsters university break up hurts extra because it rose up mike higher than he thought only to make him pummel even harder. from his perspective, he fianlly proved to everyone else he could make his dream come true (scare) when it counts... only to realize No. he couldn't. and that forcing him to prove he can... and then reality hitting him even harder that nope. he can't and he has to accept it
Probably my favorite thing about the Mario movie's writing is that it didn't feel the need to have a third act misunderstanding. They even made fun of the trope with Mario and Donkey Kong using their common ground to attempt to strike a nerve with each other.
What about Kuzco and Pacha's in Emperor's New Groove
@@ShenDoodles with them you could argue they had the opposite of a third act break up given they started with a genuine animosity towards each other.
their moment of "third act breakup" is more like "them finding a common ground while still acting like jerks towards each other yet it is clear they kinda see each other as minimum friendly rivals cooperating at that point"
It's honestly pretty crazy how often you'll have that "The creators tried to FORCE this to be an ending" but it literally doesn't matter because the people incharge are not story tellers, they just want more products to milk the IP. It will almost never work trying to make a "definitive ending with nowhere left to go" because there will be another one forced into existence for as long as the IP is profitable.
A lot of people tend to put too much blame on the writers these days.
@@joshuaW5621To be fair, though, director Josh Cooley in his commentary doesn’t display much understanding of how Toy Story works in his commentary.
@@joshuaW5621for this movie, I don't blame people who blame the writers of TS4 because if you hired a regular Toy Story fan to write it, they would had done a wayyy better job since they understand the messages and the characters of the franchise better than whoever was in charge of 4
I think starting 2018 with Ralph Breaks the Internet killed whatever momentum Disney had with their revivial era when all the films in their output from 2018 to 2020 featured the breaking/ending of major relationships, especially in their sequel films. Ralph Breaks the Internet, Toy Story 4, Avengers: Endgame, Frozen II all ended with the major relationships breaking/ending/separating FoR cHaRaCtEr DeVeLoPmEnT!
At least Avengers had the excuse since their dealing with live action actors whose stories must wrap and their contracts are ending.
Disney was ripping off Dreamworks again.
“We now return to ‘Wreck-It Ralph 3: Ralph Wrecks The Toilet’!”
@@princessmarlena1359 you know what else I like to call Ralph Breaks the Internet? Ralph Breaks the Disney Theory.
@@joshuaW5621I’m fine with the Disney Theory being wrecked.
You did a really good job with it Enter! And Grace did an absolutely wonderful job editing it too! Hats off to both of you!
I didn’t watch Toy Story 4 so, why did Gabby think getting Woody’s voice box would work?
I’ve haven’t heard a voice box as old as Woody’s have a re-record option so Gabby is a female doll that wants to have tea and respond “reach for the sky” and other cowboy sayings in Woody’s voice
Instead of being broken she would be defective: which could mean the exact same thing to a child picking out a toy
She says her disc is perfectly fine
And that's got the actual voice lines
But the box itself doesn't work
It doesn't make a lot of sense but that's the explanation
She wanted the components that would allow her voice box to work again since Woody's managed to stay in top shape.
@@Mermain123 It makes plenty of sense for early talking toys from the 50s-70s. Bear in mind even Teddy Ruxpin could play any cassette tape in place of the one it came with.
You'd think she'd find a way to order replacement parts on ebay. Like, surely she can get access to a phone or computer in the store somehow. Hell, Woody could easily suggest it since he's friends with Trixie and Rex who are avid PC users and he should know about online stores and similar from TS2. Doll collectors likely have working replica replacement parts because they LOVE TO KEEP THEIR DOLLS IN PRISTINE CONDITION AND WOULD KNOW ABOUT ANY BATCHES THAT WERE RECALLED FOR DEFECTIVE STUFF AND KNOW HOW TO FIX THEM.
Why Gabby needed a voice box at all?
The doll is cute and kids would play with the doll even if she didn't have a voice box at all.
Spanish Buzz >>>> Ducky & Bunny
Indeed
Heck, Ducky (Toy Story 1) >>> Ducky (Toy Story 4)
TS1 Ducky, as minor of a character as he was, got his own little action scene that affected the plot, as he and Legs were in charge of ringing the doorbell to get rid of Scud. TS4 Ducky, as well as Bunny, are there for lulz and do nothing important the entire movie.
Infinitely funnier and superior to keye and Peele
AS a spanaird, I 100% agree lol
Of course he's better than those 2 comic relief characters that do nothing for the story and are just there to make jokes
I wish it ended after Toy Story 3 or even Toy Story of Terror
I wanted that too.
Yeah Toy Story of Terror was a nice little additive, fun and doesn’t effect the franchise
@@superninja493that’s true
As far as I'm concerned, it did. They retcon events of the past with a "flashback" and the characters out completely out of character. It's not difficult to completely separate Toy Story 4 because it doesn't even feel like a proper follow-up in any way.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpThat flashback was Toy Story 2 and 3.
The message of this movie is basically "Stinky Pete and Lotso were right".
The characters are jarringly out of character in Toy Story 4. Buzz behaves nothing like he did in the second and third movie, Woody blatantly goes against his core philosophy for the first 3 movies (you know, the thing that made him more honourable than the other toys in Toy Story 3?). Bo Peep is obviously nothing like how she was in the first two movies, and is now the generic self-insert girlboss character you've seen a million times. Honestly, it comes across as though the makers of Toy Story 4 didn't even bother to watch the first 3 movies, and just guessed how the characters should be written based on a brief character summary or something. Like "Bo Peep cares for her sheep and the other toys" becomes "Bo Peep is a badass toy defender". "Buzz Lightyear is brave and heroic even though he's just a toy" becomes "Buzz Lightyear is a 1-dimensional airhead wannabe hero" etc.
Exactly! Why can't more people see that?
My biggest problem with Bo Peep in this movie (other than her generic "girl boss" attitude that constantly made me roll my eyes), is that she's just kinda... mean. I'm sure the writers meant for her to be sassy and independent, but that's not really how she comes across imo. I think that's also why she feels so OOC despite not having much of a personality in TS1 and 2. In those movies she was never mean, rude, or inconsiderate. In 4, that's kinda all she is. Hell, she actually was occasionally sassy in those films and it worked better cuz that wasn't *all* she was.
And I'm not even saying this as a Bo Peep fan. I, like a lot of kids who grew up with Toy Story, didn't really care that much about Bo. I'm saying that this bothers me so much, because I'm a fan of Woody. And seeing a character that I grew up with, a character I genuinely *like,* be pushed around and treated like the butt of the joke by another character that used to be his *friend* (if not more) is just... sad.
The writers also did a terrible job of convincing me (and a lot of other people it seems) that Bo actually cares about Woody. Their relationship feels entirely one-sided and pathetic. Not only could you not convince me that Bo genuinely wants Woody around, but you 100% could not convince me that Woody would choose her over *ALLLLLL* of his other friends who, at this point, he's probably known longer and better than this version of Bo Peep. Especially not when they all treat him better and with more respect than her.
She was so horrible in this movie…
Maybe Ralph breaks the internet 3 this movie was a warning sign of what Disney the future of the
I disagree with that entirely first of all I grew up with the original toy story movies and I can try to tell you bo peep not even a character at all she was just Woody's girlfriend she had no significant roles in the franchise remember in toy story 3 the character just completely disappeared without a trace it was mentioned but was never shown which goes to show let the filmmakers didn't know what to do with this character at the time so they just get rid of her. You may not be convinced that Bo peep cares about Woody but I don't feel the same way
@@princessmarlena1359no she wasn't
@@animezilla4486 None of that run-on sentence counters the original post, or goes anywhere.
As someone who grew up with toy story 2, toy story 4 is literally the ANTITHESIS OF THE ENTIRE SERIES AAAAAHHHHHH
If you haven’t already, I don’t recommend watching Transformers One. It’s from the same director.
u said it. the last shot of 3 was the clouds just like the ones on andys wallpaper & thats how the first movie all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that kicked ass but not a fourth movie & sure af not a fifth damn one
@@MegaSoulHero I actually just watched it last night. What a coincidence. It was really fun! I wouldn't have any idea, since this is like a prequel to the series I guess he can't mess it up too badly
@@popsingerstar and they kinda already spoiled that buzz and the gang will come back and it just feels even more forced than what 4 already was. I can only hope they fix Woody's character because I cannot believe he left his friends. It's like they just threw all his development into the trash while telling you the entire movie how HE IS trash. Just. Hate the movie with a passion
@@MegaSoulHerobitch WTF you on.
Transformers One is unbelivabily good
They forgot that Porcelain dolls are very fragile
Toy story 5 will be about toys vs ipad kids i hope that the movie will not be fulled with brainrot. I also hope toy story 5 will not cause the incredibles 3 to be rushed like how toy story 4 caused the incredibles 2 to be rushed
I don't want an Incredibles film that follows the continuity of Incredibles 2. I don't want any more Incredibles films.
But Incredibles 3 is coming after Toy Story 5. Incredibles 2 released before Toy Story 4
@demosneokleous4877 yeah but that can change if something gets delayed or if a strike happens
Woody in every toystory movie: i have to get back i dont abandon my kid.
Woody in toystory 4: bye everyone
Woody in toystory5: Hey guys I'm back
They could’ve just said “toys are important to a child’s development”
It sounds bold and brash
But Toy Story 4 belongs in the trash
You belong in a landfill
@@JohnSmith-jh6ey
Pixar Janitor: "Sorry, must've missed that one."
The movie wasn't that bad
@ in isolation pherhaps not but it ruins woodys character and Toy Story 3s perfect ending
@@animezilla4486Exactly!
When a Disney action JRPG with the most nonsensical plot in gaming understands Toy Story better, Toy Story 4 officially has no fucking excuse.
I mean it's not hard to understand Toy Story better than whoever came up with the Toy Story 4 we got
Been waiting so long for you to rip this one to pieces Enter! Well done! The original Tpy Story trilogy Is an absolute classic collection of films and this entry wrecked all of that. Glad to see you give it the attacking it deserves
More so Critical Analysis. Attacking would include all the illogical arguments someone has against it too.
"Stinky Pete and Lotso didn't do permanent damage to the toys"
Uhhh... The whole idea behind Lotso is he's intentionally placing toys in an area where they can be destroyed and never find love. It's made pretty clear that MANY toys have met their end thanks to him! Also, he tried to personally trash Woody and the gang, AND walked away instead of saving them from the incinerator just to spite them! Directly or indirectly, he has toy blood on his hands! ...Toy stuffing? Toy battery acid? Whatever.
Also, Enter seemed to have left out the fact that Gabby Gabby literally told Woody he could have his voice box back after Harmony rejected her. But Woody decided not to because his heart is too good
Doesn't change the fact that Gabby Gabby got off easy. Lotso was rightfully punished for his deeds. Gabby probably caused permanent damage to Woody by ripping out his voice box because of her desperation to have an owner. And she is rewarded for it.
@@pranavrao6370 Except, as @superjackster0165 pointed out, she offered to return the voice box once her plans fell through, but Woody refused. Also, Woody ultimately GAVE her his voicebox willingly. Something he didn't even need since he had decided he wasn't worried about being stuck to one kid anymore, but realized Gabby needed in order to find one. Yes, it greatly reduces the collectors value, but, as Toy Story 2 and Toy Story of Terror established, toy collecting is vilified. A toy is made to be played with until it can no longer be played with, end of story. Plus, after Gabby got what she wanted, she let everyone go, while the last three villains(four, if you count Cleric from Toy Story That Time Forgot) were more than happy to tear them to shreds. And no, I'm not trying to say "Uh, this movie is good, actually, and Gabby's plan makes perfect sense", I just don't see Gabby as the villain so many others are trying to establish her as. ...Including the movie itself, since her authoritarian reign over the antique shop isn't really elaborated on, probably because they were worried she would be too similar to Lotso from the previous movie.
4 never should have been made. They should have stopped at 3.
Rage bait
This opinion shouldn’t have been made, it should’ve stopped before it was typed.
4 is very flawed but it wasn’t close to impossible to write a better continuation from 3.
@mbdg6810 be quiet, you immature troll
@dallasm2597 dumb comment
And yet it was another perfect movie. Toy Story is 4-0 with movies
You can have all of the money in the world, but you can't buy a good story.
Unless you're at a local bookstore.
This can be used for excellent marketing for a bookstore
This movie's moral compass for the characters was so warped. I remember watching it with family for the first (and last) time, and every time happy emotional music started playing, our faces all had this look of confusion and disgust as the "righteous" action being portrayed felt like a complete mockery of everything we valued from the original three movies.
I GET YOU! It didn't feel earned because of how regressed the characters were and the themes being all ass-backwards.
If this movie has a million haters I'm one of them
If this movie has a thousand haters I'm one of them
If this movie has a hundred haters I'm one of them
If this movie has one hater it's gamingmagic13 he really hates this movie
I really hate this movie as well
Gamingmagic13 is the ultimate TS4 hater and I love him for it
Another thing I didn't like in this movie was how much the Toys broke their own rules, compared to the Trilogy. Woody gave Bonnie the materials to make Forky, Buzz basically spoke to her, & the toys took control of the RV.
To be fair, the rules get broken alot in the first 3 to. In the first movie the toys literally stage an uprising against Sid to scare the crap out of him. In the second movie they steal a pizza planet truck so that they can drive to an airport to rescue Woody. And in the third movie Woody literally leaves notes for Andy. With the exception of Sid though, whenever they did something, they're usually never caught. And as long as that doesn't happen they can pretty much do whatever they want.
@dustinvance243 True
TS5 should start with Andy shaking the shit out of Bonnie and screaming "YOU TRADED WOODY FOR A FORK??!!!"
I don’t think Andy would do something like that. That would be petty and out of character for him to do at this point.
@@joshuaW5621 counterpoint: it's funny and speaks for the audience.
That made me laugh. Thanks😄
BONNIE: But it was a shiny fork!
Or it should start with Woody waking up from a nightmare and telling to Buzz and the others "I saw a terrible dream that I left you guys behind! I would never do that. Also, somehow a fork came to life and Bo was abusing me the entire time"
Also, doesn't Buzz realize in the first movie that the voice buttons are just because he's a toy when he watches his own commercial
Nah! Forget about all that!! Buzz is stupid and doesn't realize till now because that's funny right??? 🤪
8:44 I know he was just being used as an example here, but the reason Mr. Potatohead didn't have a major role in Toy Story 4 is because his voice actor had died by the point recording came around, so they used archival footage for him.
Considering they found a replacement for Slinky after Jim Varney died, that's not much of an excuse
@@pallydan893They probably weren't going to use Mr. Potato Head at all after Don Rickles died, but his family asked Pixar if there was any way he could still be in the movie. From what I remember, he only has one line ("Watch it!") and is silent for the rest of it.
I don't know what their plan is for Toy Story 5, but it would make the most sense to recast him.
The company backed by Disney couldn't be bothered to recast?
The dumbest part of the voicebox thing is that Woody's voicebox would only have WOODY's voice and lines.
In the film, they show that there's a small record player inside the voice box and that's where all the lines from Woody's pullstring are coming from
Just gonna throw this out here : Shrek 4 > Toy Story 4, i genuinely got more emotional at the end of Forever After than I did with the 4th Toy Story.
YESSS! I Loved Shrek Forever after, it wraps up Shrek's arc way better than toy story 4 did and its way more inspired too
Despite the numbers, Shrek Forever After is basically the Toy Story 3 of the franchise, while Shrek the Third is like Toy Story 4 in terms of necessity lol
Shrek 4 also had more of a reason to be made. At least the movie before it wasn't good, so Shrek 4 could (in theory) end the series on a better note than Shrek 3 would have. Toy Story 3 was a perfect ending to a nearly flawless trilogy. It was a tough act to follow from the start.
Thinking Shrek 4 is good isn't a controversial thing to say
To even put the brilliant finale that is Shrek Forever After in the same sentence as Toy Story 4 is an insult.
Long running tv shows and cartoons, and yes even movies, have something called a "Writer's Guide"
So newcoming writers and producers understand the characters, their personalities and purposes. Im confident Toy Story 4 didnt have a writer's guide, so these new writers and creators interpreted the characters wrong. Giving us dimwitted Buzz and awful Woody.
I don't know if it was just me, but anyone else feel royally robbed we didn't really get to spend time with Bonney's toys? Also, Duke Caboom is actually kind of fun. I could easily see him working in a GOOD Toy Story.
Pray for him to get into Kingdom Hearts.
@diarawisteria2218 oh that be a cool summon
Duke Kaboom is Canadian Jessie.
For real.
They had so many characters that were barely explored (or completely unexplored) to work with, and they just ditched them all for the carnival toys.
Duke Caboom makes me insanely sad. I just wanted a happy ending for him and being a "lost toy" isn't that. The second movie shows that being abandoned by your kid is one of the most heart-wrenching things that could happen to a toy. There's a whole song dedicated to it. In Toy Story 4 it's played for laughs, with Bo treating what is essentially Duke's PTSD as a nuisance.
At least Jessie 1. Got years of making fond memories for Emily. She got to know the love of a child. Duke never got that chance because he was abandoned by his first and only kid almost immediately. 2. Jessie was also able to go on to make other children happy as Andy's toy and later Bonnie's. When Bonnie outgrows her, you can imagine Jessie can move on to making other children happy. It's heavily implied that Duke never had an owner after his first kid. By the end, he still has no owner.
I think a good ending for Duke could've been him being bought by an adult collector. Maybe someone who had the same toy in their childhood and misses it, or who was a fan of the real-life stuntman. Maybe Duke finds fulfillment in what Woody wouldn't - being a display item. It subverts the second movie, sure, but without destroying it. Collectables bring adults joy in the same way toys bring kids joy. Duke being a collector's item could mean he is still cherished and loved by his owner, and is still bringing joy to a child - the hypothetical adult's "inner child." Heck, it would even make sense with his character and his love for posing. His new owner might enjoy displaying him in a variety of cool poses. At the end of the day, he still is doing what all the other toys do, albeit in a different way.
I think it actually makes narrative sense that bopeep is just sort of a stuck in her simplicity, shes not even a toy, shes a porcelain lamp. It would've been a far more interesting story to find bopeep in the antique shop, where she's actually happy not being played with. It could serve as a dichotomy to forkie. Much like how forky has a core drive of being trash, bo would have a core drive of being a delicate antique. It couldve served as a way for woody to have to question what it actually means to even be a toy, get into the mud of WHY toys need a kid, and having some existential questions about what anyones purpose is. It could've been a moment of having to accept that people go their separate ways when bo doesnt come with him and have him face having lost andy. In fact they couldve set that all up by having him NOT being bonnies favorite toy, and just being sorta left as a bottom of the box nobody (harking back to themes of the original movie). You end up with a movie where Woody loses his purpose in life and watches literal trash that doesnt even care about his position become what he once was, then later finding that an old love interest has happily moved on and unlike him has no problem coping with not being played with, and him having to learn that maybe there is more to life then his predetermined purpose of being a toy, ultimately leading to him going his separate way to find a new place in the world and reach the same ending they clearly wanted of a 'farewell for good' scene...
...but instead we just get the trope of a strong independent woman who is a bad ass snarky fighter thats perfect in all ways and a genius that knows everything who belittles and undermines the main character... because of course we did.
Interesting idea!
I certainly didn't fall for this version of Bo Peep being perfect if that's what they were going for, as she came off more as an egomaniac and a jerk.
Oh boy, the day that TheMysteriousMrEnter gets to tear this movie into shreds.
Woody rejecting having a kid also goes against the reason he didn’t want to be in the museum in Toy Story 2. Buzz literally called him out about how meaningless his life would be behind glass and never being played with again.
"He's not a friend he's my accessory" is a damning admission of how modern Disney approaches all relationships
I remember when they announced Toy Story 4 and I rejected it instantly. I thought it was a cash grab for money. I vowed to never watch it and only recognize the original trilogy. After watching this, I dodged a major bullet. I was proven right. This is just sad.
Also, keep up the amazing work Enter. I've been watching you for a long time and you keep getting better.
yeah for me Toy Story ended with 3
@YuriKaroki19 Facts.
@@JacksonMarczyk well there are two people I found that don’t hate this film, and those people are Cartoonshi and the Average critic, not saying I’m forcing you to change your mind
@@daddydwavedWho cares about what they think, even if they didn’t hate it they still called it unnecessary
TS5
Woody: Hey bitches. Im back!
And the crowd goes mild.
Shrek 5: We’re back
The crowd is intrigued.
You're right, I don't like how this movie tries to focus on one situation, and then in the next scene it's completely forgotten about. Forky's situation of who he is, and what his purpose is, is established in only A FEW MINUTES OF HIS ARRIVAL. Then he's reduced to being held hostage by Gabby Gabby for the remainder of the film. So what exactly, was the point of this ? There was no reason to make Forky a character AT ALL, if the writers didn't know what to do with him after they already told his story in a few minutes.
The writers created Forky so they can make fun of people who suffer from depression, because he keeps saying "I'm trash" and often tries to off himself throughout the movie
@@demosneokleous4877 Yeah, and despite the implications of suicide. It's disguised as a joke in the form of a Randy Newman musical number, and a whole montage of Woody trying to stop Forky throwing himself in the trash, was made out of it.
@@demosneokleous4877This movie is so ableist and sexist it's embarrassing
The animation guild needs a brand new contract to have less sequels like Toy Story 5, ice age 6, and more original ideas
I was just wondering, what does The Animation Guild have to do with sequels?
@ it’s an ongoing problem
The only objection I have is that there needs to be more Incredibles sequels (but they need to have very good writing).
Absolutely not. Pixar’s best movies are sequels.
Toy Stories 2-4 are fantastic, every Cars sequel was great, Ralph Breaks the Internet was amazing… shall I go on?
@@jaxsterminator8634out of the ones you mentioned, only Toy Story 2 and 3 are good sequels. Cars 2 is a good movie in my opinion but it feels more like a spinoff than a sequel
Missed opportunity to call it “How Disney Broke their Toy”
The movie would have been just ok, if it wasn't connected to 3 movies that were objectively better than it.
Might have been better if it was a lone spinoff about Bo Peep and her weird mindset of the world instead of adding Woody and the others into it.
Or just make it a midquel about what happened to Bo Peep between Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3.
@@JCBro-yg8vdthat already exists, it’s a short called _Lamp Life_
I don't even care if Toy Story 4 was good. Good by most movies' standards is awful by Toy Story standards. Sadly, TS4 wasn't good anyway
Nothing is "objectively better" unless one can prove there was more effort and quality in the production.
@@roachmorphine8018 The problem with media is that you can put all the effort and quality into something, but if your audience says it's bad, it's bad.
Look at the video-game Concord, oh wait, it was removed from existence because the customer didn't want it despite years of effort and around 200 million in investment.
My lord, one simple change to save Buzz (somewhat) at the end was for him to; despite the voice box telling him to leave Woody a million times, for Buzz to ignore it and go after Woody anyway. Ya know... like he did in Toy Story 2? ... Nah, there's no way any of the characters could be a thing outside of the 4th movie...
The Brave Little Toaster is also a masterpiece in my opinion. Very much prototype Pixar, from clever writing, to impressive visuals, to themes of abandonment and drawing surprising character drama from inanimate objects. Would love a video on it.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had issues with the film. Especially since I was so put off with Forky's tendencies to off himself.
At least the Lego Movie takes place entirely within a child's imagination
I think the biggest problem is that the filmmakers probably decided (or were told by Disney) upfront that Woody and Buzz had to “break up” at the end to score emotional points, and the movie was built around that idea. The only problem is anyone who watched the first three movies would know that idea is absurd on its face and goes against all the morals of the series. They couldn’t make a movie around that idea WITHOUT dismantling the previous ones
I came into the premiere RIGHT at Woody's KH3 lines.
The Toy Story segment in KH3 was a better sequel than the actual sequel. XD
Funny that an ad popped up right when Woody literally put his foot (with Andy's name on it!) down.
@@nekonomicon2983It is a canon interquel between Toy Story 2 and 3.
@@HydraSpectre1138 wut
@@Hecuba107 Yes, the Pixar people said the KH3 world is canon.
So, I've been thinking about this, but what if TS4 wasn't the fourth movie, but instead a 30-60 minute TV special like Toy Story of Terror and Time Forgot? And as for the plot, how about this: Several years have passed and Woody has gone with numerous owners after Bonnie (At this point he's been separated from Buzz, Jessie, and the others due to being handed off to different owners) until he eventually is given to someone who lacks interest in him that he throws him away. He then freaks out about being a lost toy but eventually meets Bo, who, like in the original 4, is also a lost toy and tells him stories about how she's been a lost toy for many years. She enlists his help in getting another lost toy who has been kidnapped by Gabby (not Forky), and through it, like in canon 4, he comes to realize how much he enjoys helping lost toys find new owners. After the rescue, due to no longer having an owner, he resolves to stay with Bo to help more lost toys in need for owners, like in canon. This would allow the ending of TS4 to still work here and not ruin 3's ending for everyone.
It would be really funny if the fifth one just undoes the ending of the fourth one and everyone is together again lmao. 95% sure that’s what’s gonna happen.
But fr though I think the best direction that it can take at this point is up. Just go back to basics you know what I mean? Kinda like how 4 is just 1 but more meta, but strip the meta away (at least for the most part). Like Woody will probably miss the virtue of being loved by a kid or some shit and that could be a major conflict. Especially since the fifth one will allegedly explore kids being glued to iPads now; children’s senses of imagination could be at stake and it needs to be reaffirmed. Just some thoughts.
I wish that was gonna happen. I would laugh like a psychopath if Toy Story 5 begins with Toy Story 4 being just a dream
I thought I was crazy for hating this movie, so I'm glad to feel vindicated.
Yep. You are crazy for hating this movie. It’s the best in the series.
@jaxsterminator8634 No, you're the crazy one
@@jaxsterminator8634nice joke.
0.4/10 ragebait
@ I’m not baiting. It’s not a joke.
@@otaking3582 I’m not. This movie is the best one in the series, and one of the best of all time.
How is Forky alive? That’s what so many people asked when they saw the movie. It’s definitely not a kid’s imagination cause there are toys that are sentient even if they’ve never been played with, and it’s not having Bonnie’s name written on him because other toys are sentient without that.
Plot magic
If anything, the aliens should have an existential crisis because Bonnie took Woody on the road trip and left them behind.
The beginning of Toy Story 5 should just be Woody suddenly crawl back into the window of Bonnie's room, and when everyone asks about the carnival and Bo Peep he just says, "I'm over that crap."
Be just as dismissive to the 4th movie as it was to the first 3.
That’s the only way it can work.
Or him waking up from a nightmare and telling to Buzz and the other toys "I just saw a terrible dream where I left you guys behind! I would never do that. Also a fork has somehow come to life and Bo was treating me like crap the entire time."
I still can't believe this movie won the Oscar for best animated movie. It should've went to "Klaus" that year.
I always found TS4 to be such an unnecessary cash grab… it genuinely seemed so pointless and just ruined the story for me
12:06 Also at the beginning of the movie why was Woody so sad after not being played with for 3 DAYS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!?!?!?!?!? In Toy Story 3 it was established that he hasn't been played with in years but he's getting disappointed after 3 days? Especially since later in the middle of the movie during the road trip Bonnie is playing with him again so I don't know why he doesn't think Bonnie would care about him and he shouldn't have lived with Bo.
Exactly! This movie goes against everything the franchise had build until that point
He was able to not be played with for YEARS but 3 days is where he draws the line??? And the plot tries to gaslight the audience into believing this!!
“Somewhere inside that ball of stuffing is a toy who taught me life’s only worth living if you’re being loved by a kid. And I came all this way to rescue that toy, because I believed him.”
Josh Cooley: Yeah fuck all that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Finally, a wise mind that sees what kind of crap Toy Story 4 is. Thank you!
Seriously, it should have ended at 3. I remember watching 2, even though I had already considered it a perfect ending, I still got excited hearing about the 3rd coming on. You know how kids work. When I heard about 4, I had a huge question mark. How were they going to top it?
The answer is simple, by deconstructing, or throwing away, every single idea and moral the previous three films had.
And now I hear about 5, and I'm disgusted. They should take this chance to fix everything 4 has ruined, but I seriously doubt they will.
So I guess that's for the best that I pretend 4 never happened. Furthermore, that the 3's ending was actually different, that Andy's toys went to the attic. Bonnie doesn't deserve Woody. If they really wanted to separate Woody from the rest, they should have just let him go to college with Andy.
Way to ruin your best franchise, Disney-Pixar.
tell me about it or at toy story that time 4got
I know they've made a few specials, but something I've always thought that they should've done is make either a TV series or a Disney+ series about the toys' adventures now that they're Bonnie's owners. That way they can still continue the Toy Story IP without ruining 3's ending.
YES!!❤
That would've been challenging because most of the voice cast (most notably Tom Hanks and Tim Allen) are these big celebrities with very busy schedules
@@superjackster0165in other Toy Story media including video games and toys, Woody is voiced by Tom Hanks' brother Jim Hanks, Buzz is voiced by Mike MacRae and Jessie is voiced by Kat Cressida and they all sound very alike to their film counterparts
Another bad thing about this movie is that it doesn't seem to get how it's primary MacGuffin works. Pull string voice boxes don't keep playing clips when you keep the string pulled back, especially in an old cowboy doll like Woody. you release the string and then pull it back before it fully recedes back into the toy and it just rewinds the current clip.
I have a pullstring Woody doll hanging on my wall and I am 100% positive that’s what it did.
Another thing about this movie: It initially was meant to come out in 2018, but swapped release dates in Incredibles 2 ... and let's say it showed with how rushed the latter movie felt.
Was not expecting the documentary approach for the Toy Story 4 video.
Ohohoho buddy, you ain’t seen nothing
There’s a 6 hour long series that tears apart every last bit of this movie
Toy Story 4 sounds like the usual Hollywood ran out of ideas, and dunno what the f to do.
May misread the title as “How Toy Story broke Pixar”
Ngl that would be accurate too lol Toy Story 2 and 3 showed pre- and post-Disney buyout that sequels could be profitable in theaters during a time when those were relegated to smaller straight to VHS and DVD projects, so then they made a bunch of sequels of varying quality from 2011 onward
Both are true
Also works
You're not wrong though.
The first movie was almost cancelled by Disney due to Jeffrey Katzenberg's insistence on making the film dark and edgier to make the film for Adults.
Considering they’re making a fifth and Lightyear, I agree.
Its not just that Toy Story 4 didn't need to happen, but the characters will all know don't act like how they were from the previous movies.
Exactly. That was a huge blunder.
Buzz was done dirty😢
@@clarenceandgennymcneil251not just Buzz but yeah, especially him
My personal biggest problem with this movie is the fact that Bo Peep got so much attention at all. Like he mentioned, anything she did was going to feel out of character because she never had a personality.
Bo Peep was never that important. She was just Woody's crush. So to center almost a whole movie around her just doesn't make any sense.
Couple that with them trying too hard to make her seem strong which did nothing but give her that generic "I don't need no man" energy and she's just irritating to watch.
Like, they already have a strong female with Jessie and she acts like a normal person. So I don't get why they felt the need to take Bo Peep in this direction.
One of the sad parts is that the early trailers, the one that basically only showed off "so this is Sporky, the new character" actually had some potential to make something interesting, as long as it didn't overexplain stuff. Namely, what is the "start" of a toy? We see in 1 and 2 that toys don't "activate" merely when they are made. But rather, its either after their first kid leaves the room or in the case of the toystore, when they were interacted with by an "activated" toy. Even ones like Buzz who legitimately thought he was a space ranger also seem to usually have an innate knowledge of the "rules" around when they can move too.
If 4 had explored this a bit, it could also have explored a bit the concept of when a toy "stops." At what point will something recognized as a toy (i.e. able to act and move when no one is looking) cease to be active anymore? Is there such a criteria, however nebulous, after which a toy is just forever stilled?
I think the one with the roll call did masterfully to raise my expectation for this movie because the actual one crammed half the toys in the RV while the trailer made us think they were all gonna go rescue/find Sporky. Like, you’re tellin’ me they left Pricklepants at home?
And now we're getting toy story 5. We don't hate disney enough
We need to get rid of their massive cult following of "Disney Adults"
And I can't even be mad at Pixar bc Disney's demanding them. :(
Would be interesting to see Toy Story 5 take place in a dump after a carnival worker recognized Woody and Bo as litter and tossed them in the trash.