That part of the soundtrack is so moving. I have to disagree with the presenter; I think the soundtrack is one of John Barry's best. The rest of this video is very well stated. Thank you.
And then right on its heels, the jumpscare: Holland is watching the funeral, then suddenly, the door behind him shoots upward and Maximillian is hovering there, glowering at him with that crazy red pulsing visor of his.
When the truth comes out and the eventual frightening unmasking of the crewman, it reminds us of the humanity that was destroyed... stolen.... by Reinhart's ego-driven crime.
Indeed, "The Black Hole" wasn't a "Sci-Fi" movie but a "Haunted House in Space" movie. People like to point out the scientific problems with the movie, but Reinhardt gets crushed by a really big, flat-screen TV monitor...which is oddly prescient...
I was 4 when the Black Hole came out. I'm guessing that I saw it on TV, as it seems unlikely something my parents would bring a 4 year old too. I only remember the robots (good and bad), and that it was odd.
@@brianshea2515 I first saw it when I was somewhere around that age as well (back in the mid 80s for me, I was approximately -0.95 years old when it came out). Along with the robots the one thing that stuck with me was Ernest Borgnine. Not his character, not anything he did in the movie, not even his name or that he was in this movie, just that he existed. He is one of the most distinct character actors of all time afterall, so it makes sense. (also there is a memory that goes something like "lots of flashing lights", I think this is about the ending) For years and years it always bothered me that I could never place where I had first seen him. I had written it off as likely being Airwolf even though I had a vague memory of having seen him somewhere else. Until I was introduced to the details of this movie as an adult.
Same here. I'm amazed at his ability to relate to the internet generation/s and his relatively unbiased perspectives on philosophical ideas which are generally banned (monarchy, feudalism, fascism)
I saw this one in the theaters when I was a kid. "The Black Hole" looked like a movie made back in the 1950s, or early '60s. Everything about it had the look and feel of much older movie, right down to the color saturation of the film they used.
@@SirEpifire looking back at it, it now seems obvious it was intentionally archaistic. While those of us alive at the time notice it, the kids watching this today, probably think it is representational of 1979, when in truth it's more like a movie made in 1959. It really didn't have the "texture" of any other movie made around 1980.
Kid friendly robots?! Maximillian scared the ever loving hell out of me as a kid! I had an irrational fear of some silent thing with glowing red eyes sneaking up behind me in the dark for years. Also, I thought the score was great.
This movie had two scenes of characters literally getting their intestines drilled out of them! The "holocaust monks" running the ship were terrifying. Then it had the hellscape at the end with Maximillian perched atop the mountain and some poor crew member trapped inside Max's armor for all eternity. I had a million nightmares. For all the things the filmmakers got wrong, they got parts of the cosmic horror theme absolutely right. It's too bad Disney won't hire some decent writers with a solid science background to reboot this thing. It would be a good time.
@@feralhistorian I had one. In fact, he was the only figure I had from the Black Hole. I would have loved some of the other robots. However, it was a limited range and things like that weren't easy to get in Ireland in the late '70s.
I remember my dad remarking that this was Disney's first ever non-G rated film, it was PG. I also seem to recall it getting panned. The scene where Max whips out his egg beaters of death and mutilates the guy left a serious impression on me and my friends, though. And that bizarre hell ending, wow.
I liked it as a kid, and as an adult, its a film that hits way harder than one might expect and a haunting ending. Maximillian is also excellent robot villain design.
Dark remake? This movie was plenty of dark and disturbing, especially for Disney. It led to the infamous Disney dark age that culminated in the disturbing black cauldron and return to OZ Also, I had the sleeping bag when I was a kid.
People say that Event Horizon is in the same universe as WH40K, but I like to think this film is set in the EH universe, some years after the events of event horizon, the chaos or evil, whatever you want to call it, begins to seep out of a massive black hole, seeking out the minds that once intruded on its domain. Snaring a particular captain and his crew.
@@chargingrhino5636 Check out "The Watcher in the Woods" if you can find it. It has the same "how do we end this?" issues as "The Black Hole", but a lot of good build-up.
This movie has long been a guilty pleasure of mine. I take small exception with your assessment of the musical score, and the visuals. I find both to be beautiful. There is intentional liminality in the Cygnus. It was built for many but is apparently empty. Also the film wasn't rated G. This is one of those projects that never completely delivers on it's own merits (the end of the story in particular is a train wreck, but it was the 70's and disaster movies were the thing), but there is so much talent behind the visual effects and designs that I suspect it has inspired a lot of stories and careers. I was a child when I first saw the movie, so the robots don't bother me as much as they apparently do for others. There is a "robot fistfight" that lasts about 5-10 seconds that is eye-rollingly bad at any age, but it is mercifully brief. Anyway, interesting take on the characters, you've got my sub.
This is one of those films that defined my childhood. The science was a joke, the acting marginal at best, but damn! Disney sure captured atmospheric horror with The Black Hole. At least they did for me as a kid, whether they intended to or not.
It still haunts mine 45 years later. I'll never forget Maximillian drilling into Anthony Perkins' gut with those spinning blades of his. Or Vincent doing the same to Maximillian during the escape. I wonder why Disney never turned this into a ride in Orlando. 🤔
This is a pretty solid thesis on underlying motifs in what is otherwise a standard Mad Scientist movie, except on a spaceship instead of a lonely island or remote castle. It was Disney's first PG movie and it shows in places. I think the techno-Gothic presentation helped there, and with Maximilian the brutal enforcer. It was a well-made movie though, and Disney had the salary to hire some good actors to fill the human and talking robot roles. But your exploration helps explained why it resonated with audiences instead of becoming forgettable fluff like Unidentified Flying Oddball and The Cat From Outer Space.
I imagine reinhardt intended to keep some of the crew unlobotomized, but well, these things happen. Which is why he is happy to socialize with them. And likely was intending on them leaving to carry his legacy to safety, back to earth. Immortality in the least sense. Love this film. Always have, even as a kid. The darkness and horror, the american r2d2s (you can tell they are American, because of the guns).
Man I remember this movie, I had it on VHS back to back with Watership Down, I learned to toughen up fast. xD Good video though, I came because you talked about the Draka but I stay for the personality
Excellent point. There's no fix for the movie's awful science, some of the acting was a bit thin, and Vincent and Bob were clearly intended to appeal to kids. Those things aside, The Black Hole tapped into a well of authoritarian horror that I hadn't considered until watching this video.
The movie shares some major elements with Disney's adaptation of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, a film whose themes of imperialism, technology and violence would make for an interesting analysis/comparison.
Back in 1999 when I was in animation school, I wrote a remake of the black hole as my first year project in our screenwriting course. I combined the project with other classes, making character and costume designs, and a primitive CG animatic trailer made in Softimage (the precursor to Maya). I still think there's a lot of potential in a reboot. Back then I was leaning into a haunted house/zombie movie in space. I wanted to go bleak with the ending at the time, everyone dies. Dunno if I'd go that way now, back then I think it was mostly that I was enamoured with the ending to 1978's INvasion of the Body Snatchers :p
Bob and Vincent!!! We shall hold up the tradition for we are the best! Edit to add: the laser scene making the cyborgs was about lobotomizing them. Zima probably would have worked faster than the laser.
In 1979 America was not at its best, inflation was out of control, there was a fuel crisis, the economy was absolute sjite, we lost international respect after a humiliating failure in the middle east and we were really muffed with the Russians invading their neighbours. You sure you didn't mean 2024?
@@feralhistorian We lost international respect in Southeast Asia due to the fiasco in Vietnam. In the Middle East in 1979, Egypt and Israel made peace, and Jimmy Carter got the Nobel Peace Prize, so I'd that was a little less than a failure.
And the themes play out again in modern sci-fi. Compare the previous iterations of Star Trek (TOS, TNG, the movies) to what passes for Star Trek today. Instead of a shiny, high-tech future where everyone works together to solve problems, we now have star ship crews that are constantly squabbling and arguing with each other, or even laughing at the death of fellow crew members and it all happens in a future that is so terrible and dour that no reasonable person would want to participate in it.
Something this fellow is choosing to ignore is that in 1979 we were pretty sure that black holes existed, they had a lot of gravity, and we had no real idea how they worked. A wormhole was not not considered out of the realm of possibility. But a criticism of a communist totalitarianism, yeah, that's actually not a bad analysis.
I remember school putting this movie for our 4th grade class on one afternoon on the day before midwinter break or something as a treat. It was the most underwhelming movie involving a black hole I've ever seen
Good vid but I love the theme music, agree to disagree I guess.🤔 Some of the first LPs my dad gave me were 60's James Bond soundtracks so John Barry was already ingrained though.🤓
@@feralhistorian This might be the right take. It's menacing and majestic I don't think I would listen to it in any other context but it fits the movie like a glove.
This always felt like it had that…odd chord that Disney had w/ “Something wicked this way comes” and this always felt like it was inspired by something like Lost expedition of the HMS Erebus that became “The Terror” in book and show and inspired aspects of “Event Horizon “ and Alex Garland’s “Sunshine”
Thanks for pointing out the ICP sample, literally the last thing I expected to learn on this channel. Life is full of surprises. Found the channel today and am really enjoying your media insights/thoughts.
The Black Hole was a mad-scientist horror film in space. I loved the style of the Cygnus - it seemed Victorian or even Steam -Punk and its emptiness made it particularly creepy.
I saw this film in theaters as a kid. It was my favorite horror film and I watched it every time it came on HBO. I still have the trash can and Max and Vincent figs. The book adaptation is interesting as it has a less gruesome death for Dr Durant (Maximilian merely shoots him instead of blendering his insides) and the three survivors are melded into a single entity after going through the black hole at the end.
IMO, "Event Horizon" was one of the most terrifying movies of all time! I literally brushed shoulders with Laurence Fishburne in the ATL airport a few years back. I regret I didn't have the chance to tell him how much I liked his movie.
I love The Black Hole, always have. Granted it got me young as a VHS rental. But even today, it's one of the rare real examples of Space Gothic. It wouldn't call it a flawed masterpiece, it's a flawed movie, but there's enough to enjoy to keep me going whenever I re-watch it. Also I love the score, we can agree to disagree on that.
i was a child in the 1980s this movie was on it seems like every Saturday afternoon. i loved it when i was 6, especially that one part when he took the mask off the worker.
I grew up with this movie and watched it a million times in spite of the laughable science and marginal acting. I had never considered the Cygnus being an authoritarian state in microcosm, but you make an excellent case for it. It's too bad Disney won't remake it, preferring instead to bastardize and ruin other beloved IPs. My only point of disagreement is the music: I don't love it and wouldn't put it on my cardio mixtape, but it certainly adds to the terrifying atmosphere of the film. Excellent video, sir!
Says something when old Disney during its darkest days can crank out a better sci-fi movie than present day "Stinkin' Rich but Creatively Bankrupt " Disney. Put it on at work one night at lunch, didn't get to finish it but everyone begged to see the rest the next night.
To my 11 year old mind sitting in the theater, this movie,and its soundtrack, was an entirely unexpected horror movie. Other than the goofy robots, I loved it.
Reinhart's key theme is the ends justify the means, a common theme with totalitarian states which can be clearly seen with communism and national socialism and a host of ideologies, religions or causes. The ends never justify the means for the simple reason no one can predict the future. I loved the movie.
I have been watching quite a few of your videos, which I find thought provoking. I don't suppose you (could/feel like) providing more of a background on yourself and why you started making these videos.
I think an improv line in a video a few months back says it best. "I'm just a PhD dropout on a hill talking about cartoons." I've worked in industry too, automotive and defense on the manufacturing side and even a little in film/tv (on the tech side) way back. I'm definitely a generalist and very far from being the foremost expert on anything. As for why I started making these videos? The first one was a belated reply to some friends. After that it was an excuse to get out and hike more. Now it's mostly just fun to think about these stories and seeing interesting counter-arguments in the comments is a huge plus.
Disney's "The Black Hole" was almost the greatest SF film ever.. except it was spoiled by Disney merchanidizing twee. Maximillian was the best robot villian ever though.
I loved this movie, including all the things this guy mocks in the beginning. I saw it at least 20 times on cable in the early 80s, and because of our TV it was in black and white. It is really good in black in white because of the design and color contrast; I highly recommend it for this movie and Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow
Saw this movie in the theaters when it came out. It was advertised as SW-like space adventure and I, like most, left feeling disappointed which is why it didn't do well.
Do you know that Black Hole wasn't the only Disney's attempt at space sci-fi? Earth Star Voyager was another one and it had quite interesting themes (though, sadly, not explored well-enough).
Have to disagree about the soundtrack. It’s one of best and most recognizable soundtracks, imo. Also, I think it’s one of the last that had an intermission score (I think it’s called?). Heck, when they finally showed the first picture of a real black hole, the theme automatically played in my head 🤓 Still, you give a different perspective on the movie.
The scene with Captain Holland walking through the empty crew quarters with the somber music playing hits hard.
This is an incredible scene. I wish the whole film delivered that scenes potential.
That part of the soundtrack is so moving. I have to disagree with the presenter; I think the soundtrack is one of John Barry's best. The rest of this video is very well stated. Thank you.
And then right on its heels, the jumpscare: Holland is watching the funeral, then suddenly, the door behind him shoots upward and Maximillian is hovering there, glowering at him with that crazy red pulsing visor of his.
When the truth comes out and the eventual frightening unmasking of the crewman, it reminds us of the humanity that was destroyed... stolen.... by Reinhart's ego-driven crime.
Indeed, "The Black Hole" wasn't a "Sci-Fi" movie but a "Haunted House in Space" movie. People like to point out the scientific problems with the movie, but Reinhardt gets crushed by a really big, flat-screen TV monitor...which is oddly prescient...
I had the pop-up book as a child (I was 5 when I saw this movie the first time) and one of the action items is the screen falls on Reinhardt.
I was 4 when the Black Hole came out.
I'm guessing that I saw it on TV, as it seems unlikely something my parents would bring a 4 year old too.
I only remember the robots (good and bad), and that it was odd.
@@brianshea2515I saw it on the Disney channel in the 1980s, probably around the same age!
@@brianshea2515 I first saw it when I was somewhere around that age as well (back in the mid 80s for me, I was approximately -0.95 years old when it came out). Along with the robots the one thing that stuck with me was Ernest Borgnine. Not his character, not anything he did in the movie, not even his name or that he was in this movie, just that he existed. He is one of the most distinct character actors of all time afterall, so it makes sense. (also there is a memory that goes something like "lots of flashing lights", I think this is about the ending)
For years and years it always bothered me that I could never place where I had first seen him. I had written it off as likely being Airwolf even though I had a vague memory of having seen him somewhere else. Until I was introduced to the details of this movie as an adult.
I guess I'm among those who discovered this channel this week and are binge watching every video.
Me too
Same here. I'm amazed at his ability to relate to the internet generation/s and his relatively unbiased perspectives on philosophical ideas which are generally banned (monarchy, feudalism, fascism)
My first few days and I'm hooked!
there is a lot of us, I guess
Found today. Four vids in do fsr. Best content I have heard/seen in years.
I saw this one in the theaters when I was a kid. "The Black Hole" looked like a movie made back in the 1950s, or early '60s. Everything about it had the look and feel of much older movie, right down to the color saturation of the film they used.
If I recall the behind the scenes, it was actually the last big budget sci-fi film to be made using the old methods.
I was a kid too and I remember thinking that were a lot of old school actors in it.
@@SirEpifire looking back at it, it now seems obvious it was intentionally archaistic. While those of us alive at the time notice it, the kids watching this today, probably think it is representational of 1979, when in truth it's more like a movie made in 1959. It really didn't have the "texture" of any other movie made around 1980.
Parts of it definitely have a Forbidden Planet vibe going on.
@@RCAvhstape It really did.
Kid friendly robots?! Maximillian scared the ever loving hell out of me as a kid! I had an irrational fear of some silent thing with glowing red eyes sneaking up behind me in the dark for years. Also, I thought the score was great.
All my friends wanted an R2. I wanted a Maximillian.
@@feralhistorian Had I seen it, I too would have wanted a Maximillian toy.
This movie had two scenes of characters literally getting their intestines drilled out of them! The "holocaust monks" running the ship were terrifying. Then it had the hellscape at the end with Maximillian perched atop the mountain and some poor crew member trapped inside Max's armor for all eternity. I had a million nightmares. For all the things the filmmakers got wrong, they got parts of the cosmic horror theme absolutely right. It's too bad Disney won't hire some decent writers with a solid science background to reboot this thing. It would be a good time.
I too feared the Max!
@@feralhistorian I had one. In fact, he was the only figure I had from the Black Hole. I would have loved some of the other robots. However, it was a limited range and things like that weren't easy to get in Ireland in the late '70s.
You could say they were looking to... "Move forward into a future unburdened by what has been."
So to speak.
I remember my dad remarking that this was Disney's first ever non-G rated film, it was PG. I also seem to recall it getting panned. The scene where Max whips out his egg beaters of death and mutilates the guy left a serious impression on me and my friends, though. And that bizarre hell ending, wow.
I love the score, and VINCent is the best sidekick robot ever. He is a flying ball turret.
3:22 Brilliant recap of the situation in '79.. especially the deja vu. 😮
I liked it as a kid, and as an adult, its a film that hits way harder than one might expect and a haunting ending. Maximillian is also excellent robot villain design.
Dark remake? This movie was plenty of dark and disturbing, especially for Disney. It led to the infamous Disney dark age that culminated in the disturbing black cauldron and return to OZ
Also, I had the sleeping bag when I was a kid.
People say that Event Horizon is in the same universe as WH40K, but I like to think this film is set in the EH universe, some years after the events of event horizon, the chaos or evil, whatever you want to call it, begins to seep out of a massive black hole, seeking out the minds that once intruded on its domain. Snaring a particular captain and his crew.
I think I had the sleeping bad too! I remember being disappointed it wasn't Star Wars.
Return to Oz messed me up for a few days.
What, has everyone trauma-blocked their memories of Something Wicked This Way Comes?
i liked the score - overture and theme, both
They definitely contributed to the dark atmosphere of the film. Who knew Disney would make a cosmic horror film?
@@chargingrhino5636 Check out "The Watcher in the Woods" if you can find it. It has the same "how do we end this?" issues as "The Black Hole", but a lot of good build-up.
This movie has long been a guilty pleasure of mine. I take small exception with your assessment of the musical score, and the visuals. I find both to be beautiful. There is intentional liminality in the Cygnus. It was built for many but is apparently empty. Also the film wasn't rated G.
This is one of those projects that never completely delivers on it's own merits (the end of the story in particular is a train wreck, but it was the 70's and disaster movies were the thing), but there is so much talent behind the visual effects and designs that I suspect it has inspired a lot of stories and careers.
I was a child when I first saw the movie, so the robots don't bother me as much as they apparently do for others. There is a "robot fistfight" that lasts about 5-10 seconds that is eye-rollingly bad at any age, but it is mercifully brief.
Anyway, interesting take on the characters, you've got my sub.
This is one of those films that defined my childhood. The science was a joke, the acting marginal at best, but damn! Disney sure captured atmospheric horror with The Black Hole. At least they did for me as a kid, whether they intended to or not.
my grandmother took me to see this movie in the theater when i was 6 and it haunted my psyche for years afterward..
It still haunts mine 45 years later. I'll never forget Maximillian drilling into Anthony Perkins' gut with those spinning blades of his. Or Vincent doing the same to Maximillian during the escape. I wonder why Disney never turned this into a ride in Orlando. 🤔
This is a pretty solid thesis on underlying motifs in what is otherwise a standard Mad Scientist movie, except on a spaceship instead of a lonely island or remote castle. It was Disney's first PG movie and it shows in places. I think the techno-Gothic presentation helped there, and with Maximilian the brutal enforcer. It was a well-made movie though, and Disney had the salary to hire some good actors to fill the human and talking robot roles. But your exploration helps explained why it resonated with audiences instead of becoming forgettable fluff like Unidentified Flying Oddball and The Cat From Outer Space.
I imagine reinhardt intended to keep some of the crew unlobotomized, but well, these things happen. Which is why he is happy to socialize with them. And likely was intending on them leaving to carry his legacy to safety, back to earth. Immortality in the least sense.
Love this film. Always have, even as a kid. The darkness and horror, the american r2d2s (you can tell they are American, because of the guns).
Event Horizon pretty much remade The Black Hole in spirit.
The ending of the two movies is basically the same.
Man I remember this movie, I had it on VHS back to back with Watership Down, I learned to toughen up fast. xD Good video though, I came because you talked about the Draka but I stay for the personality
Even Disney 1970s SF tended to be dystopian
Get up! Cmon get down with the Cygnus!
Great analysis and video. Nice to see someone able to look past this movie's obvious cheese factor and take the story seriously.
Excellent point. There's no fix for the movie's awful science, some of the acting was a bit thin, and Vincent and Bob were clearly intended to appeal to kids. Those things aside, The Black Hole tapped into a well of authoritarian horror that I hadn't considered until watching this video.
The movie shares some major elements with Disney's adaptation of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, a film whose themes of imperialism, technology and violence would make for an interesting analysis/comparison.
Now there's one I haven't seen in a very long time.
Dude, im old. I saw this at the theaters and had nightmares about Maximilian, the killer robot.
Back in 1999 when I was in animation school, I wrote a remake of the black hole as my first year project in our screenwriting course. I combined the project with other classes, making character and costume designs, and a primitive CG animatic trailer made in Softimage (the precursor to Maya). I still think there's a lot of potential in a reboot. Back then I was leaning into a haunted house/zombie movie in space. I wanted to go bleak with the ending at the time, everyone dies. Dunno if I'd go that way now, back then I think it was mostly that I was enamoured with the ending to 1978's INvasion of the Body Snatchers :p
I honestly think that the book adaptation that Alan Dean Foster did was better than the movie. But at least Slim Pickens played a good part...
Please do 1975's Rollerball
Rollerball is in the lineup. Can't say when, but it's coming.
Dude , you should have way more subscribers. Great work
Bob and Vincent!!! We shall hold up the tradition for we are the best! Edit to add: the laser scene making the cyborgs was about lobotomizing them. Zima probably would have worked faster than the laser.
In 1979 America was not at its best, inflation was out of control, there was a fuel crisis, the economy was absolute sjite, we lost international respect after a humiliating failure in the middle east and we were really muffed with the Russians invading their neighbours.
You sure you didn't mean 2024?
Quite deliberate.
@@feralhistorian We lost international respect in Southeast Asia due to the fiasco in Vietnam. In the Middle East in 1979, Egypt and Israel made peace, and Jimmy Carter got the Nobel Peace Prize, so I'd that was a little less than a failure.
And the themes play out again in modern sci-fi. Compare the previous iterations of Star Trek (TOS, TNG, the movies) to what passes for Star Trek today. Instead of a shiny, high-tech future where everyone works together to solve problems, we now have star ship crews that are constantly squabbling and arguing with each other, or even laughing at the death of fellow crew members and it all happens in a future that is so terrible and dour that no reasonable person would want to participate in it.
Something this fellow is choosing to ignore is that in 1979 we were pretty sure that black holes existed, they had a lot of gravity, and we had no real idea how they worked. A wormhole was not not considered out of the realm of possibility. But a criticism of a communist totalitarianism, yeah, that's actually not a bad analysis.
I remember school putting this movie for our 4th grade class on one afternoon on the day before midwinter break or something as a treat. It was the most underwhelming movie involving a black hole I've ever seen
2:05 ...who puts them at ease as only a German in a labcoat can...
Good vid but I love the theme music, agree to disagree I guess.🤔 Some of the first LPs my dad gave me were 60's James Bond soundtracks so John Barry was already ingrained though.🤓
Whether one likes the Black Hole theme or not, it must be said that it definitely succeeds in heightening the intended mood.
@@feralhistoriannow that I can agree with.👍
@@feralhistorian This might be the right take. It's menacing and majestic I don't think I would listen to it in any other context but it fits the movie like a glove.
This always felt like it had that…odd chord that Disney had w/ “Something wicked this way comes” and this always felt like it was inspired by something like Lost expedition of the HMS Erebus that became “The Terror” in book and show and inspired aspects of “Event Horizon “ and Alex Garland’s “Sunshine”
Just lovely. I adore the thinking and explanatory flow.
Thanks for pointing out the ICP sample, literally the last thing I expected to learn on this channel. Life is full of surprises. Found the channel today and am really enjoying your media insights/thoughts.
The Black Hole was a mad-scientist horror film in space. I loved the style of the Cygnus - it seemed Victorian or even Steam -Punk and its emptiness made it particularly creepy.
And it was shaped like a cathedral/cross
I saw this film in theaters as a kid. It was my favorite horror film and I watched it every time it came on HBO. I still have the trash can and Max and Vincent figs. The book adaptation is interesting as it has a less gruesome death for Dr Durant (Maximilian merely shoots him instead of blendering his insides) and the three survivors are melded into a single entity after going through the black hole at the end.
you mentioning Event Horizon really makes me want to see your thoughts about the movie.
IMO, "Event Horizon" was one of the most terrifying movies of all time! I literally brushed shoulders with Laurence Fishburne in the ATL airport a few years back. I regret I didn't have the chance to tell him how much I liked his movie.
I love The Black Hole, always have. Granted it got me young as a VHS rental. But even today, it's one of the rare real examples of Space Gothic. It wouldn't call it a flawed masterpiece, it's a flawed movie, but there's enough to enjoy to keep me going whenever I re-watch it. Also I love the score, we can agree to disagree on that.
I love your videos and your humor. Keep up the great work
I have nothing productive to add; I haven't seen the movie. I just need to say the thumbnail on this video is hysterical.
I loved that movie when I was a kid. Even got a DVD & showed it to my kids some years ago.
Black Hole is an outright horror movie mystifyingly presented as a space adventure.
i was a child in the 1980s this movie was on it seems like every Saturday afternoon. i loved it when i was 6, especially that one part when he took the mask off the worker.
Event horizon in a way. Nuff said.
THE SCORE WAS FANTASTIC!
I would love to see a prequel right up through the docking of the Palomino and Rheinhart meeting Kate.
I grew up with this movie and watched it a million times in spite of the laughable science and marginal acting. I had never considered the Cygnus being an authoritarian state in microcosm, but you make an excellent case for it. It's too bad Disney won't remake it, preferring instead to bastardize and ruin other beloved IPs. My only point of disagreement is the music: I don't love it and wouldn't put it on my cardio mixtape, but it certainly adds to the terrifying atmosphere of the film.
Excellent video, sir!
Says something when old Disney during its darkest days can crank out a better sci-fi movie than present day "Stinkin' Rich but Creatively Bankrupt " Disney.
Put it on at work one night at lunch, didn't get to finish it but everyone begged to see the rest the next night.
Couldn't Event Horizon be considered a remake of the Black Hole?
Definitely!
EH and the black hole are very different even though they have some overlapping themes and concepts
You have a wonderful channel and I am now subbed.
To my 11 year old mind sitting in the theater, this movie,and its soundtrack, was an entirely unexpected horror movie. Other than the goofy robots, I loved it.
I'm sure all our parents thought, "It's a Disney movie. What could possibly go wrong?"
That pause.
Well thought out argument. This was a fav of mine when I was a little kid.
How could you not, like the soundtrack???
Reinhart's key theme is the ends justify the means, a common theme with totalitarian states which can be clearly seen with communism and national socialism and a host of ideologies, religions or causes. The ends never justify the means for the simple reason no one can predict the future. I loved the movie.
I have been watching quite a few of your videos, which I find thought provoking. I don't suppose you (could/feel like) providing more of a background on yourself and why you started making these videos.
I think an improv line in a video a few months back says it best. "I'm just a PhD dropout on a hill talking about cartoons." I've worked in industry too, automotive and defense on the manufacturing side and even a little in film/tv (on the tech side) way back. I'm definitely a generalist and very far from being the foremost expert on anything.
As for why I started making these videos? The first one was a belated reply to some friends. After that it was an excuse to get out and hike more. Now it's mostly just fun to think about these stories and seeing interesting counter-arguments in the comments is a huge plus.
I remember the movie and wanted to see it as a kid but we never went. I'd like to see it now.
You got a subscriber because of this well thought out video. Kuddos.
I saw it in theaters and as a teen, I thought it was fine.
Im sorry but the kid friendly robot saying "...death is the only release." threw me
The thumbnail had me hoping this movie was going to be a crossover with Mean Girls
Disney's "The Black Hole" was almost the greatest SF film ever.. except it was spoiled by Disney merchanidizing twee. Maximillian was the best robot villian ever though.
that is one hell of a coat
The score is awesome!
The youtube version of the film has many audio-censorship cuts, not sure if AI glitches or what.
You don’t need a remake. We already have Warhammer 40,000, plus Event Horizon is pretty much the same story with more gore
Superb analysis
Great video.
Which company made that coat you are wearing?
Thanks, appreciate it. The coat is Soviet Navy surplus that I picked up during the Fall of Communism Liquidation Sale of the early '90s.
Amy's in the attic and my brain has gone a static
The Black Hole sucked out any piece of creativity that Disney had.
I will never not love that 70s design.
Remake needed, indeed
I loved this movie, including all the things this guy mocks in the beginning. I saw it at least 20 times on cable in the early 80s, and because of our TV it was in black and white. It is really good in black in white because of the design and color contrast; I highly recommend it for this movie and Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow
I just saw this video. As a venezuelan, this hits hard
Saw this movie in the theaters when it came out. It was advertised as SW-like space adventure and I, like most, left feeling disappointed which is why it didn't do well.
Do you know that Black Hole wasn't the only Disney's attempt at space sci-fi? Earth Star Voyager was another one and it had quite interesting themes (though, sadly, not explored well-enough).
It's the plot as dark side of the moon and event horizon. I consider them to almost be the horror remakes.
I for one would welcome a Feral horror/thriller ❤
I loved John Barry's music!
4:11 It's looks like he was given the Order of Canada.
Sooo it’s Jamestown in space
Have to disagree about the soundtrack. It’s one of best and most recognizable soundtracks, imo.
Also, I think it’s one of the last that had an intermission score (I think it’s called?).
Heck, when they finally showed the first picture of a real black hole, the theme automatically played in my head 🤓
Still, you give a different perspective on the movie.
Over all I liked the movie as a kid but hated the floating robots especially the extra hokey slim Pickens one.
The painted backgrounds of Black Hole remind me of "the forbidden planet"
Whats with Event Horizon bashing?
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Amy's in the attic an my brain has gone to staaaatiiiiic
Dont be dissin VINCENT!!! I wonder if you coukd argue that Event Horizon is like a dark Black Hole (no pun intended).
Where's that jacket from? 👀
"pause for effect"
Love this movie, your spot on.
Never underestimate how the Vietnam War was still affecting the US in 79.
Event Horizon is highly underrated. After all the resident evil crap the director pumped out it's understandable I suppose.
This one COOKS ❤️🔥
The Black Hole is a spiritual prequel fable to Event Horizon.
For gen xers this was just light entertainment.
I ripped off this movie for a DnD session. Players were suitably horrified.
Saw it as a kid very trippy
Very cool