"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -C.S. Lewis
I'm assuming this series is very loosely based on the Silo trilogy? The books were genuinely enjoyable IMO (and there was a very valid reason not to venture outside in the novels). I strongly recommend reading them.
Never read the series, but the author Hugh Howie has some other really good stuff. One book called Beacon 14 or Beacon 23 or Beacon with some number is really, really good. Some obscure streaming service has made a series out of it, but if you’ve read the book you’ll know it has to depart from it quite a bit to be an ongoing series.
Regarding what happens to people who go outside, in the books (which I haven't actually read) the suits are deliberately made defective, whether by leaks or a limited air supply (the new sheriff got a good one thanks to a friend's intervention). The first sheriff who dies took off his helmet in the book, exposing him to the toxic environment. That might be the reason for the fake image on the visor, to inspire you to take off your helmet, giving silo leadership evidence you were crazy all along.
in the book, he was already dying by the time he realized he was running out of air. But I'll leave the rest of that alone in case anyone wants to read a book that was still better than a decent screen adaptation.
The show really did a number one me, with that switch at the end. I was angry, to a certain extent. Did they really not trust me with the truth, from the very beginning? Did they have to lie to me and tell me it was all green? But I think it was necessary for the story to do that. I mean, If I knew the truth from the start, my desire for the people of the silo to find out the truth wouldn't be so ardent. If I did know these people had no option, I would think their situation is hopeless and I would probably give up on them.
An aside from the subject matter of this video, Feral you are quickly becoming one of my favorite "dissident" social commentator on this platform. This space is flooded with commentators who I personally perceive to be looking at culture and media from a saturated left-wing view. Who y'know, do their little videos in their white living rooms on a couch with a microphones in hand with low-fi royalty free music as intro. I find that trite, but you are on a rock. Your channel is like ice water in a desert. I'm glad the algorithm sent me you.
Seems like a bigger budgeted remake of the TV version of Logan's Run with Gregory Harrison. The major diff seems to be that they have stretched Logan's Run's first episode over a full season. It wd be interesting if you did a comparison of the Logan's sci fi book series, the 76 film and the 78 tv series, with each iteration, like the original Planet of the Apes, getting worse and cheaper.
Was great to see this being televised. Season 2 starting out strong as well. Books were full of bitter irony. Most would be spoilers. One incredibly funny one: The internal "CIA" believes it alone has the full picture, so to speak. Can only recommend this.
Feral Historian: Have you read "The Machine Stops" by EM Forster? Written in 1909 it describes the world the people live in as very much like the slio but extremely more isolated. Love the videos btw - have a list as long as my arm of books I want to read and films I want to watch!
Season 2 is due to finally be released this week. I haven’t had as much cautious anticipation for a piece of media for quite some time. It’s definitely not perfect, but it’s extremely compelling.
can i ask would look at sid meier's alpha centauri it's just this game is a gold mine of philosophy you can mine for a long long time. (also a very good game too)
He went outside because he couldn't drink the zima anymore. edit to add: the book series is cool and there is an apocalypse anthology series that has short stories about this world. One of which is a other group who is in the know, but not a part of that other group, and as such set up their own bunker. And yes i know who built the silos and what political party set it all up including setting off the nano weapon.
Never read the main books, but I did read the anthology with those stories in them. The other group was interesting, but if you could just put people in those pods to wait out the apocalypse wouldn’t that be easier than building a bunch of vaults instead?
@donkeysaurusrex7881 that is a good point they had the tech to cryo through but remember the story is also part fallout in that the silos are running social experiments to change humanity. It has been a few years, but if I recall things correctly is that every time they open the silo doors more nanites are released into the immediate area keeping the zone around the silos dead. Story unfolds over centuries.
The episode they focused on repairing the generator turbine almost made me quit. They opened it While it was Running? WTF Ever! People with no understanding of engineering or even basic mechanical functions need to avoid writing drama around that. But yeah, overall good show.
I'm ex-military from a long line of military men, watching any show that has the military or guns in it makes me have to go into suspend disbelief fantasy mode instantly. Ignorance is bliss eh?
It has the same main plot line with a 1950 or 1960 sci-fi short story I once read. Book was a collection of stories (anthology?) of a popular author. I forgot his name. Anyway US and USSR were at war for a long time. Earth become inhabitable due to nuclear fallout. Entire populations of both nations lived in numerous underground cities sending out only robots to attack each other's cities. Robot scouts are their only source of information of the conditions above ground. Plot twist, the Earth has recovered. Photos and videos reported by robots showing destroyed cities were fake. The battle droids sent on the surface did not follow their programmed missions and let nature recover, rebuilt cities and even farms complete with barns,crops and livestock (like a planet wide multi-gazillion turn key reconstruction project with all the frills and whistles 😁) . The robots discourage humans to come out and investigate since their reconstruction of the entire Earth was not yet complete. Any humans insisting on going out and succeeding to reach the surface are detained top side but enjoying the paradise like condition of the recovered Earth. Very old story. 😄😁
It’s a moral difference, especially if they are correct. It reminds me of another movie about humanity and the will to endure, I think it was called 28 weeks later. The whole movie is about a few people trying to avoid zombies and escape a quarantine zone before it’s fire bombed by whatever the post apocalyptic authority is now. At the very end they succeed and escape the bombing… but they are infected. A triumph of human will… that puts all of humanity at risk.
Hey Feral Historian. I wanted to ask you what do you think of Ayn Rand and her novel Atlas Shrugged? I know a lot of libertarians love her and her Objectivist philosophy. Do you have any interest in her philosophy or novels?
I have mixed thoughts on Rand. The really-really short version is I think she makes some good points but is too tied up in the structure of her ideology. Like any rigid model of human societies, it gets ridiculous very quickly if strictly adhered to.
Okay, I promise that I'll actually watch the video, but right off the bat - "barely marketed gems"? I was under the impression that Apple TV was Silo and Severance, and maybe something else? Who knows, we all live in our own bubbles.
Apple TV may well target their marketing in places where I just don't see it. For All mankind was in its 2nd season before I ever saw an ad for it and I had never heard of Silo until a viewer here mentioned it. Severence though, they plugged that to death.
@@feralhistorian Which is such a shame that FAM wasn't marketed better, because I've had over 15 households fall in love with the series after me rambling on about it. Our own bubbles may be it though because the Apple streaming service is the only Apple product I make use of.
I saw a lot of For All Mankind ads when it started. Rush Limbaugh even talked about it on his show at least once. Apple TV doesn’t have much, but most of it is pretty good. Compare that to Netflix which has lifetimes of programming, most of which should never be viewed by anyone.
"They don't trust the people to make sensible decisions based on facts" - well, who can blame them really. Look at what's happening in the here and now.
I'd argue that most people now are being led to support or at least condone irrational decisions via coordinated propaganda. Most of the idiocy in the world today is caused by the rulers, not the ruled.
Blaming the victims of the culture our rulers create is something else our rulers have taught us to keep us focused on the wrong thing. You're the "But dressed like that she was asking for it." guy.
Honestly, the Silo is a time bomb regardless as everything is breaking down. Everything. Personally, I think the V.R. headset is there to encourage accidental suicides.
I've thought the show was decent but has overemotional characters. Also I hope the book is more technically competent, as the shows portrayal of the silos systems and moreover just doing things in the world tends to be wildly wrong.
With talks of 15 min cities and throttling of the Internet and censorship sharply increasing, we’re not far off from this dystopian hell scape. All under the safety excise.
@@skazkatzroy3444a self contained city where within a fifteen minute walk from your domicile/pod would be everything in your life- job, food, gym, recreation, entertainment, school, etc. Essentially a dystopian control nightmare the WEF et al are strongly encouraging. Saudi Arabia just broke ground on a fully-enclosed artificial version.
Having to sit in csrs for hours each week to travel between home and work and then spend hours more to travel to shops for basic needs is already pretty dystopian. @@ab5olut3zero95
@ab5olut3zero95 there is the actual original planning related concept of the 15 min city, and there is the conspiracy version. Plenty of people live in what the original planning definition calls a 15 minute city, I do. Or, at least a 20 minute one. I have within a short walking distance access to most of the stores necessary for every day life (grocery, department, pharmacy, bakeries, cafes), and within a similar timeframe can take public transport to reach anything else I could want. If I wanted to, I could live a full life without leaving my city council area, and without owning a car. But it isn't mandatory to live that way. Original 15 minute cities is purely about convenience and having the ability to get places without needing a car. Cities like NYC, are for many, a 15 minute one. I see Americans online often complaining about how unwalkable their cities or suburbs are, how there is nothing within wlaking distance and poor public transport. Half hour drives just to buy groceries. Maybe the conspiracies have merit but I've never been presented with convincing evidence.
Quandary of where Sociatle development is now , is plainly " What to say...." The Speaker for President , seems to be planting querys in the audience ,the other day a reporter asked the over - obvious question essentially ( Approx ) Why doesnt U.S. recognize International Law..(?) Seemed scripted. Speaker4 Prez says ; " Do you want to make a speech...there are places in Washington where you can do that " Then yesterday woman asked him about , what Pentagon ( some agency) was doing to stop Genocide... " We expect that our laywers who are looking at this problem will come to a decision about mid November. ( Oh , so Gaza smashdown is solved in around Executive election ! ) Anti Zionism Antisemitm ..has gone off the rails in what ( ever ) it is-wad intended to mean . ( Because Palestinians are undoubtedly Semetic ) But that dosent cease those words being said.......🚩
I think that shirt makes your opinions on constitutions as a concept known, among much else about you (You look like The Postal Dude). I doubt that you have to prep the audience for criticism of something they believe. What kind of audience do you think you have if that, of all things you talk about, is required?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
-C.S. Lewis
I'm assuming this series is very loosely based on the Silo trilogy? The books were genuinely enjoyable IMO (and there was a very valid reason not to venture outside in the novels). I strongly recommend reading them.
That's my understanding, yes. I had never heard of the series before this show, but now that's on my radar I'll give it a read sooner or later.
@@feralhistorian they're pretty good!
Books we very good looking forward to you revisiting this.@@feralhistorian
@@feralhistorian its a filip k dick short story - from the collection that had the type three robot
Never read the series, but the author Hugh Howie has some other really good stuff. One book called Beacon 14 or Beacon 23 or Beacon with some number is really, really good. Some obscure streaming service has made a series out of it, but if you’ve read the book you’ll know it has to depart from it quite a bit to be an ongoing series.
Regarding what happens to people who go outside, in the books (which I haven't actually read) the suits are deliberately made defective, whether by leaks or a limited air supply (the new sheriff got a good one thanks to a friend's intervention). The first sheriff who dies took off his helmet in the book, exposing him to the toxic environment. That might be the reason for the fake image on the visor, to inspire you to take off your helmet, giving silo leadership evidence you were crazy all along.
in the book, he was already dying by the time he realized he was running out of air. But I'll leave the rest of that alone in case anyone wants to read a book that was still better than a decent screen adaptation.
The show really did a number one me, with that switch at the end.
I was angry, to a certain extent. Did they really not trust me with the truth, from the very beginning? Did they have to lie to me and tell me it was all green?
But I think it was necessary for the story to do that. I mean, If I knew the truth from the start, my desire for the people of the silo to find out the truth wouldn't be so ardent. If I did know these people had no option, I would think their situation is hopeless and I would probably give up on them.
It's not left versus right, it's the algorithm versus you.
An aside from the subject matter of this video, Feral you are quickly becoming one of my favorite "dissident" social commentator on this platform. This space is flooded with commentators who I personally perceive to be looking at culture and media from a saturated left-wing view. Who y'know, do their little videos in their white living rooms on a couch with a microphones in hand with low-fi royalty free music as intro. I find that trite, but you are on a rock. Your channel is like ice water in a desert. I'm glad the algorithm sent me you.
Thanks, I appreciate it. You'll be seeing a couple new locations in upcoming videos, but none of them involve a living room.
The phrase, "Run, runner!" kept going through my head while watching this. iykyk
Seems like a bigger budgeted remake of the TV version of Logan's Run with Gregory Harrison. The major diff seems to be that they have stretched Logan's Run's first episode over a full season.
It wd be interesting if you did a comparison of the Logan's sci fi book series, the 76 film and the 78 tv series, with each iteration, like the original Planet of the Apes, getting worse and cheaper.
No. It’s really not. If you get the chance to watch the show, you’ll see for yourself
Was great to see this being televised. Season 2 starting out strong as well. Books were full of bitter irony. Most would be spoilers. One incredibly funny one: The internal "CIA" believes it alone has the full picture, so to speak. Can only recommend this.
Thanks for the tv recommendations and great explanation of the world of tyrants
Feral Historian: Have you read "The Machine Stops" by EM Forster? Written in 1909 it describes the world the people live in as very much like the slio but extremely more isolated.
Love the videos btw - have a list as long as my arm of books I want to read and films I want to watch!
Season 2 is due to finally be released this week. I haven’t had as much cautious anticipation for a piece of media for quite some time. It’s definitely not perfect, but it’s extremely compelling.
Now that the second season has wrapped, perhaps you can revisit this gem
can i ask would look at sid meier's alpha centauri it's just this game is a gold mine of philosophy you can mine for a long long time. (also a very good game too)
Shut your Eyes! Is a order shockingly many people will follow.
Going to have to look this up
He went outside because he couldn't drink the zima anymore. edit to add: the book series is cool and there is an apocalypse anthology series that has short stories about this world. One of which is a other group who is in the know, but not a part of that other group, and as such set up their own bunker. And yes i know who built the silos and what political party set it all up including setting off the nano weapon.
Never read the main books, but I did read the anthology with those stories in them. The other group was interesting, but if you could just put people in those pods to wait out the apocalypse wouldn’t that be easier than building a bunch of vaults instead?
@donkeysaurusrex7881 that is a good point they had the tech to cryo through but remember the story is also part fallout in that the silos are running social experiments to change humanity. It has been a few years, but if I recall things correctly is that every time they open the silo doors more nanites are released into the immediate area keeping the zone around the silos dead. Story unfolds over centuries.
The episode they focused on repairing the generator turbine almost made me quit. They opened it While it was Running? WTF Ever! People with no understanding of engineering or even basic mechanical functions need to avoid writing drama around that. But yeah, overall good show.
I'm ex-military from a long line of military men, watching any show that has the military or guns in it makes me have to go into suspend disbelief fantasy mode instantly. Ignorance is bliss eh?
It has the same main plot line with a 1950 or 1960 sci-fi short story I once read. Book was a collection of stories (anthology?) of a popular author. I forgot his name. Anyway US and USSR were at war for a long time. Earth become inhabitable due to nuclear fallout. Entire populations of both nations lived in numerous underground cities sending out only robots to attack each other's cities. Robot scouts are their only source of information of the conditions above ground. Plot twist, the Earth has recovered. Photos and videos reported by robots showing destroyed cities were fake. The battle droids sent on the surface did not follow their programmed missions and let nature recover, rebuilt cities and even farms complete with barns,crops and livestock (like a planet wide multi-gazillion turn key reconstruction project with all the frills and whistles 😁) . The robots discourage humans to come out and investigate since their reconstruction of the entire Earth was not yet complete. Any humans insisting on going out and succeeding to reach the surface are detained top side but enjoying the paradise like condition of the recovered Earth. Very old story. 😄😁
Sounds like a slight misremembering of _The Penultimate Truth_ by PK Dick.
Yes I have been enjoying this surprising little gem from Apple.
Vault 101 we meet again.
Nah the Wool books are even better :)
Dope
"But some of them are true believers. They have a higher calling."
Same effect, though. A difference which makes no difference is no difference.
A difference without distinction.
It’s a moral difference, especially if they are correct.
It reminds me of another movie about humanity and the will to endure, I think it was called 28 weeks later. The whole movie is about a few people trying to avoid zombies and escape a quarantine zone before it’s fire bombed by whatever the post apocalyptic authority is now. At the very end they succeed and escape the bombing… but they are infected. A triumph of human will… that puts all of humanity at risk.
Hey Feral Historian. I wanted to ask you what do you think of Ayn Rand and her novel Atlas Shrugged?
I know a lot of libertarians love her and her Objectivist philosophy. Do you have any interest in her philosophy or novels?
I have mixed thoughts on Rand. The really-really short version is I think she makes some good points but is too tied up in the structure of her ideology. Like any rigid model of human societies, it gets ridiculous very quickly if strictly adhered to.
@@feralhistorian Thank you for your reply. I hope you are doing well and that you are having a nice weekend. 😀
@@feralhistorian I really dug Anthem as a boy. .. Most punchy, pulpy,.. adaptable of hers.
It's definitely better than atlas shrugged
The Sheriffs name should have been simms.
Okay, I promise that I'll actually watch the video, but right off the bat - "barely marketed gems"? I was under the impression that Apple TV was Silo and Severance, and maybe something else? Who knows, we all live in our own bubbles.
Apple TV may well target their marketing in places where I just don't see it. For All mankind was in its 2nd season before I ever saw an ad for it and I had never heard of Silo until a viewer here mentioned it.
Severence though, they plugged that to death.
@@feralhistorian Which is such a shame that FAM wasn't marketed better, because I've had over 15 households fall in love with the series after me rambling on about it. Our own bubbles may be it though because the Apple streaming service is the only Apple product I make use of.
I saw a lot of For All Mankind ads when it started. Rush Limbaugh even talked about it on his show at least once. Apple TV doesn’t have much, but most of it is pretty good. Compare that to Netflix which has lifetimes of programming, most of which should never be viewed by anyone.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 And Prime has generations of programming, all of which you've already seen.
The books "Wool" are very good.
I read the book (only 1st one)
"They don't trust the people to make sensible decisions based on facts" - well, who can blame them really. Look at what's happening in the here and now.
I'd argue that most people now are being led to support or at least condone irrational decisions via coordinated propaganda. Most of the idiocy in the world today is caused by the rulers, not the ruled.
Blaming the victims of the culture our rulers create is something else our rulers have taught us to keep us focused on the wrong thing. You're the "But dressed like that she was asking for it." guy.
Honestly, the Silo is a time bomb regardless as everything is breaking down. Everything.
Personally, I think the V.R. headset is there to encourage accidental suicides.
I've thought the show was decent but has overemotional characters. Also I hope the book is more technically competent, as the shows portrayal of the silos systems and moreover just doing things in the world tends to be wildly wrong.
Yeah booooiiiiii. Am early or late?
With talks of 15 min cities and throttling of the Internet and censorship sharply increasing, we’re not far off from this dystopian hell scape. All under the safety excise.
lol can you define "fifteen minute city" bro? What's that mean?
@@skazkatzroy3444a self contained city where within a fifteen minute walk from your domicile/pod would be everything in your life- job, food, gym, recreation, entertainment, school, etc. Essentially a dystopian control nightmare the WEF et al are strongly encouraging. Saudi Arabia just broke ground on a fully-enclosed artificial version.
You know you can leave a walkable city. You just wouldn’t need a care to go to most businesses
Having to sit in csrs for hours each week to travel between home and work and then spend hours more to travel to shops for basic needs is already pretty dystopian. @@ab5olut3zero95
@ab5olut3zero95 there is the actual original planning related concept of the 15 min city, and there is the conspiracy version.
Plenty of people live in what the original planning definition calls a 15 minute city, I do. Or, at least a 20 minute one. I have within a short walking distance access to most of the stores necessary for every day life (grocery, department, pharmacy, bakeries, cafes), and within a similar timeframe can take public transport to reach anything else I could want.
If I wanted to, I could live a full life without leaving my city council area, and without owning a car. But it isn't mandatory to live that way.
Original 15 minute cities is purely about convenience and having the ability to get places without needing a car. Cities like NYC, are for many, a 15 minute one. I see Americans online often complaining about how unwalkable their cities or suburbs are, how there is nothing within wlaking distance and poor public transport. Half hour drives just to buy groceries.
Maybe the conspiracies have merit but I've never been presented with convincing evidence.
Quandary of where Sociatle development is now , is plainly " What to say...."
The Speaker for President , seems to be planting querys in the audience ,the other day a reporter asked the over - obvious question essentially ( Approx )
Why doesnt U.S. recognize International Law..(?)
Seemed scripted. Speaker4 Prez says ;
" Do you want to make a speech...there are places in Washington where you can do that "
Then yesterday woman asked him about , what Pentagon ( some agency) was doing to stop Genocide...
" We expect that our laywers who are looking at this problem will come to a decision about mid November.
( Oh , so Gaza smashdown is solved in around Executive election ! )
Anti Zionism Antisemitm ..has gone off the rails in what ( ever ) it is-wad intended to mean . ( Because Palestinians are undoubtedly Semetic )
But that dosent cease those words being said.......🚩
I think that shirt makes your opinions on constitutions as a concept known, among much else about you (You look like The Postal Dude). I doubt that you have to prep the audience for criticism of something they believe. What kind of audience do you think you have if that, of all things you talk about, is required?
That kinds looks like more cliche less interesting version of Sexmission.
I was curious if anyone else noticed the similarity.