I have no problem with Ainu culture showed in the game. But if they show Atsu 'teaching' Miyamoto Musashi the signature double-wielding katana style... That would be a dealbreaker. For context, Miyamoto was a master swordman who never lost a duel in his life. The choice of time period is very interesting, 1603. Whereas Miyamoto invented his signature style somewhere between 1604 to 1660. So, shoehorning a girl boss to 'impart' lesson or humility to a real-life legend, would be sheer hubris on SP's part.
Anyone else struggle to hear about anything Yotei related without hearing Princess Leia as a bounty hunter? C3PO - The illustrious Jabba asks why he must pay fifty thousand. Leia - Yotay, yo to. C3PO - Because he's holding a thermal detonator!
Nothing here influences my decision either way. I’m just waiting to see more from the game and decide for myself if it looks enjoyable. As a little bit of an aside, Ghost of Tsushima wasn’t trying to be a history lesson. Sucker Punch likened it to Spaghetti Westerns, calling it “Cheeseburger Samurai”. Ghost of Tsushima not sticking hard to the facts and history isn’t the same as Ubisoft getting lax with their historical accuracy since their earlier Assassin’s Creed games. In that case, Ubisoft set a standard for themselves and fans are holding them to it.
A fistful of dollars is basically a remake of Kurosawa’s yojimbo as a western instead of samurai but people often forget Kurosawa drew inspiration from earlier American directors and said so himself, but his films are amazing and worth watching one of the best directors ever
0:43 Jins' story was how he became the ghost. By the end of the game, he is hunted by the shogunate. There is so much more to his story, its like its just starting.
All we know about Yotei is a setting and looks more accurate in design than Ubisoft. So the "we're creating a cinema experience, not a historical one" team is outshining the "historically based" game. And that's coming from Japanese UA-camrs (You can check out "Drunk Japanese Hyper Analyze" for both AC Shadows and Yotei as well as Shohei Kondo's reaction analysis). Storywise, they've pieced together Atsu has left Japan and travelled to the north where outlaws and the wanted would escape to avoid shogunate law, and she's got a kill list she's carrying. She's hunting people who have gone north while also being hunted herself. I believe it's Shoehei Kondo's video where he pauses and reads off the names of her kill list when we see her smear blood across one name, marking him off the list. The names aren't names but references "Dragon" "Snake" etc. so it sounds like titles or nicknames. It's highly unlikely there's any Cowboy vs Native aspect so much as she'll get assistance from the Ainu, but she's likely hunting disgraced samurai (the trailer mentions "every ronin is hunting you"). It looks like the Kurosawa influence is now drawing from Lady Snowblood and Kill Bill. If anyone isn't familiar with Lady Snowblood, her mother is assaulted and imprisoned for killing one of her assailants. She seduces guards in prison with the intent of getting pregnant and raising the child to get revenge. After her mother dies in labor, Snowblood is raised by the midwife and trained by a monk to seek her mother's revenge. And then Kill Bill...nobody had a problem with The Bride as a character, not sure why Atsu is such a problem as a character. And Snowblood was so damn popular in the 1970s that she got a movie adaptation within a year of the manga. Another mentioned Fistful of Dollars is a remake of Kurosawa's Yojimbo. The Magnificent Seven is also a direct remake of Seven Samurai, but set in the Wild West with cowboys. Early samurai films were influenced by the Western genre after World War II as well. Westerns and Samurai films are more intertwined than some realize. The thing I'm most curious about and nobody seems to be latching onto is the wolf. I forget which video caught it, but the design on her katana's hand guard looks to have a wolf on it and she has the wolf in the trailer that seems more of a companion than random wolf. With those factors, I'm hoping that's the case and the wolf is actually an element of combat, helping her in fights by attacking enemies. If not, I'd simply assume the wolves are to Yotei and foxes were to Tsushima.
It's like hearing "Range is hot" and you start walking downrange. it's frankly just a bad time to release a girl power game during the year of the flop. If this was released instead of GoT it would have been fine but the time plus the promotional video showcasing a sword style attributed to Miyamoto Musashi I believe, where this time period is set slightly before his time. Which has led some to speculate that he may be a side character who learns his style from the great and powerful Fem. Ghost before going off to be an iconic swordsman. TLDR: Hint of w@ke+current backlash against steaming piles of w@ke=bad time to release
I'm starting to wonder if it would be less headache to just not buy games made by publicly traded companies. Indy mom n' pop devs, sure, ring me up. I'm just getting tired of having to check if I'm funding companies who have, or sold out to those who have, bad intentions.
Jin is being chased by the shogun! He’s a criminal in his own home and the next Mongal invasion is 5 years after the end of Ghost of Tsushima. It’s not having a hard time letting go, his story was literally set up to continue
Never played the first one, but Jin looks cool. So I am just gonna say it, but this woman just is not it, for me. I have seen countless good looking female japanese people and characters also in older time periods, so what is with that granny? You are trying to replace Jin. You have to overcome a legacy. If I had played the game, this first impression would not convince me. Probably too early to tell but I feel like after this game most people would still ask for Tsushima 2 instead of Yotei 2. Would be great if I am wrong of course.
I completely agree on the disastrous trend of people not being able to let stories or characters end. The main problem we're dealing aside from that, is a lack of truly competent people to forge the next reimagining of the universal myths and tales. The combination of the two has put artistic story telling in rough shape.
I am the customer dropping an average 600 bucks per game (ultimate tier PC/physical collector/high tier digital PS5/etc), like it or not, If I decide I want Jin, I get Jin, or I do not pay for it. I used to buy games for fun, now I double check and support it, or not, hence I just grabbed the Ori games and no rest for the wicked (Mahler effect). Simple reasoning enough I guess, I don't mind being an a-hole as long as I am on the right side of my own wallet, add to that Endymion heard some interesting leaks about what was supposed to be, or could have been, many others pointed out some routes/alternatives better than anything I am offered right now as things are (including the DEI hires/the FACT the devs team is different & the whole smoke pushing the game back year). Will that matter in the end? Yes, compared to tshushima sells, it can make a huge different because there will be a comparison. I can point at 20 people around me spending as much if not more per game, equivalent to 1k volume/ average base sells total I'd say, drop in the water? Yes, we'll see how it goes in the end, just due to word of mouth and warnings alone. By saving money, I win no matter what, like anyone else not buying a game, we have lives long of backlogs, there is no possible argument countering that fact. Does the cultural issues can add to the rest? Yes, it adds up to everything which was pointed at already, it will hurt the ghost franchise they try to start and push more people back, this kind of things only goes one way, ask ubisoft. Ezio had a trilogy and this (technically not japan) wasn't the nail in the coffin, that's the clicking sound of the incinerator button for me, there is no smoke without fire. I rest my case. Bigot commander in chief, over. P.S. : Interesting video, this got over totally over my head.
I can see a way to continue Tsushima without stretching the character thinner as there's enough to go off of after he leaves his foster father behind. It'd essentially be like the beginnings of AC's Ezio saga, Tsushima was his making, the sequel would be what he did after - and that'd be enough to finish off for sure, because I also think the AC series stretched on too far. As for Yotei though, I clocked out as soon as I learned about the voice actress. And if I was still on the fence about the game, the "muh colonialism" angle would've further alienated me. As much as I appreciate the coverage of the Ainu culture, the combination of as you've said - the expectation of another spaghetti samurai game - on top of the involvement of activists just fouls that right up for me.
Jin has a cool outlaw story that they could have done and there's rumors they were originally going with that story for him. He'd be kinda Robinhood, hero of the commonfolk but an outlaw to the crown. It also sounds like most of the GoT people aren't working on GoY.
All the sociopolitical quagmores aside, stories need to be allowed to _end._ So if what is really driving all the furore around this game is "it's not the first guy", GTFOH.
The Ainu aren’t the only indigenous people of Japan. There were two major tribes and one interbred with the mainland Asians who showed up late to the island. Their western prospective is going to taint this. It’s going to be the perfect storm of failure I think. The modern Japanese still oppress the Ainu and will probably hate it, and in the west people will reject it thanks to the woke infection. Still might be good though, but probably not as good as the first.
To put it bluntly, it is obvious that "The moral Westerner" are becoming intoxicated with the storytelling that "Japanese people oppress indigenous peoples" without even understanding the difference between "Ainu" and "Ezo."
I have no problem with Ainu culture showed in the game. But if they show Atsu 'teaching' Miyamoto Musashi the signature double-wielding katana style... That would be a dealbreaker. For context, Miyamoto was a master swordman who never lost a duel in his life. The choice of time period is very interesting, 1603. Whereas Miyamoto invented his signature style somewhere between 1604 to 1660. So, shoehorning a girl boss to 'impart' lesson or humility to a real-life legend, would be sheer hubris on SP's part.
Anyone else struggle to hear about anything Yotei related without hearing Princess Leia as a bounty hunter?
C3PO - The illustrious Jabba asks why he must pay fifty thousand.
Leia - Yotay, yo to.
C3PO - Because he's holding a thermal detonator!
Ghost of Tsushima is such a great game, even Japan loved it which is rare, I want this game to be good, I just have worries
Nothing here influences my decision either way. I’m just waiting to see more from the game and decide for myself if it looks enjoyable.
As a little bit of an aside, Ghost of Tsushima wasn’t trying to be a history lesson. Sucker Punch likened it to Spaghetti Westerns, calling it “Cheeseburger Samurai”. Ghost of Tsushima not sticking hard to the facts and history isn’t the same as Ubisoft getting lax with their historical accuracy since their earlier Assassin’s Creed games. In that case, Ubisoft set a standard for themselves and fans are holding them to it.
A fistful of dollars is basically a remake of Kurosawa’s yojimbo as a western instead of samurai but people often forget Kurosawa drew inspiration from earlier American directors and said so himself, but his films are amazing and worth watching one of the best directors ever
0:43 Jins' story was how he became the ghost. By the end of the game, he is hunted by the shogunate. There is so much more to his story, its like its just starting.
let's see how well perverting expectations works for them...
I don't know the first thing about Tsushima, but I won't turn down good sashimi.
Saw smoke, expecting fire. Seems like it's going to be a dumpster fire.
All we know about Yotei is a setting and looks more accurate in design than Ubisoft. So the "we're creating a cinema experience, not a historical one" team is outshining the "historically based" game. And that's coming from Japanese UA-camrs (You can check out "Drunk Japanese Hyper Analyze" for both AC Shadows and Yotei as well as Shohei Kondo's reaction analysis).
Storywise, they've pieced together Atsu has left Japan and travelled to the north where outlaws and the wanted would escape to avoid shogunate law, and she's got a kill list she's carrying. She's hunting people who have gone north while also being hunted herself. I believe it's Shoehei Kondo's video where he pauses and reads off the names of her kill list when we see her smear blood across one name, marking him off the list. The names aren't names but references "Dragon" "Snake" etc. so it sounds like titles or nicknames. It's highly unlikely there's any Cowboy vs Native aspect so much as she'll get assistance from the Ainu, but she's likely hunting disgraced samurai (the trailer mentions "every ronin is hunting you").
It looks like the Kurosawa influence is now drawing from Lady Snowblood and Kill Bill. If anyone isn't familiar with Lady Snowblood, her mother is assaulted and imprisoned for killing one of her assailants. She seduces guards in prison with the intent of getting pregnant and raising the child to get revenge. After her mother dies in labor, Snowblood is raised by the midwife and trained by a monk to seek her mother's revenge.
And then Kill Bill...nobody had a problem with The Bride as a character, not sure why Atsu is such a problem as a character. And Snowblood was so damn popular in the 1970s that she got a movie adaptation within a year of the manga.
Another mentioned Fistful of Dollars is a remake of Kurosawa's Yojimbo. The Magnificent Seven is also a direct remake of Seven Samurai, but set in the Wild West with cowboys. Early samurai films were influenced by the Western genre after World War II as well. Westerns and Samurai films are more intertwined than some realize.
The thing I'm most curious about and nobody seems to be latching onto is the wolf. I forget which video caught it, but the design on her katana's hand guard looks to have a wolf on it and she has the wolf in the trailer that seems more of a companion than random wolf. With those factors, I'm hoping that's the case and the wolf is actually an element of combat, helping her in fights by attacking enemies. If not, I'd simply assume the wolves are to Yotei and foxes were to Tsushima.
It's like hearing "Range is hot" and you start walking downrange. it's frankly just a bad time to release a girl power game during the year of the flop. If this was released instead of GoT it would have been fine but the time plus the promotional video showcasing a sword style attributed to Miyamoto Musashi I believe, where this time period is set slightly before his time. Which has led some to speculate that he may be a side character who learns his style from the great and powerful Fem. Ghost before going off to be an iconic swordsman.
TLDR: Hint of w@ke+current backlash against steaming piles of w@ke=bad time to release
I'm starting to wonder if it would be less headache to just not buy games made by publicly traded companies.
Indy mom n' pop devs, sure, ring me up. I'm just getting tired of having to check if I'm funding companies who have, or sold out to those who have, bad intentions.
All this talk of Ainu culture makes me want to rewatch Golden Kamuy.
Jin is being chased by the shogun! He’s a criminal in his own home and the next Mongal invasion is 5 years after the end of Ghost of Tsushima. It’s not having a hard time letting go, his story was literally set up to continue
Never played the first one, but Jin looks cool. So I am just gonna say it, but this woman just is not it, for me.
I have seen countless good looking female japanese people and characters also in older time periods, so what is with that granny?
You are trying to replace Jin. You have to overcome a legacy. If I had played the game, this first impression would not convince me.
Probably too early to tell but I feel like after this game most people would still ask for Tsushima 2 instead of Yotei 2. Would be great if I am wrong of course.
I completely agree on the disastrous trend of people not being able to let stories or characters end.
The main problem we're dealing aside from that, is a lack of truly competent people to forge the next reimagining of the universal myths and tales.
The combination of the two has put artistic story telling in rough shape.
I am the customer dropping an average 600 bucks per game (ultimate tier PC/physical collector/high tier digital PS5/etc), like it or not, If I decide I want Jin, I get Jin, or I do not pay for it. I used to buy games for fun, now I double check and support it, or not, hence I just grabbed the Ori games and no rest for the wicked (Mahler effect).
Simple reasoning enough I guess, I don't mind being an a-hole as long as I am on the right side of my own wallet, add to that Endymion heard some interesting leaks about what was supposed to be, or could have been, many others pointed out some routes/alternatives better than anything I am offered right now as things are (including the DEI hires/the FACT the devs team is different & the whole smoke pushing the game back year).
Will that matter in the end? Yes, compared to tshushima sells, it can make a huge different because there will be a comparison.
I can point at 20 people around me spending as much if not more per game, equivalent to 1k volume/ average base sells total I'd say, drop in the water? Yes, we'll see how it goes in the end, just due to word of mouth and warnings alone.
By saving money, I win no matter what, like anyone else not buying a game, we have lives long of backlogs, there is no possible argument countering that fact.
Does the cultural issues can add to the rest? Yes, it adds up to everything which was pointed at already, it will hurt the ghost franchise they try to start and push more people back, this kind of things only goes one way, ask ubisoft.
Ezio had a trilogy and this (technically not japan) wasn't the nail in the coffin, that's the clicking sound of the incinerator button for me, there is no smoke without fire. I rest my case.
Bigot commander in chief, over.
P.S. : Interesting video, this got over totally over my head.
I can see a way to continue Tsushima without stretching the character thinner as there's enough to go off of after he leaves his foster father behind. It'd essentially be like the beginnings of AC's Ezio saga, Tsushima was his making, the sequel would be what he did after - and that'd be enough to finish off for sure, because I also think the AC series stretched on too far.
As for Yotei though, I clocked out as soon as I learned about the voice actress. And if I was still on the fence about the game, the "muh colonialism" angle would've further alienated me. As much as I appreciate the coverage of the Ainu culture, the combination of as you've said - the expectation of another spaghetti samurai game - on top of the involvement of activists just fouls that right up for me.
Jin has a cool outlaw story that they could have done and there's rumors they were originally going with that story for him. He'd be kinda Robinhood, hero of the commonfolk but an outlaw to the crown. It also sounds like most of the GoT people aren't working on GoY.
All the sociopolitical quagmores aside, stories need to be allowed to _end._ So if what is really driving all the furore around this game is "it's not the first guy", GTFOH.
The Ainu aren’t the only indigenous people of Japan. There were two major tribes and one interbred with the mainland Asians who showed up late to the island. Their western prospective is going to taint this. It’s going to be the perfect storm of failure I think. The modern Japanese still oppress the Ainu and will probably hate it, and in the west people will reject it thanks to the woke infection. Still might be good though, but probably not as good as the first.
To put it bluntly, it is obvious that "The moral Westerner" are becoming intoxicated with the storytelling that "Japanese people oppress indigenous peoples" without even understanding the difference between "Ainu" and "Ezo."