I agree with this video that I found just by looking it up! Learning from the Yuzu and RyuJinx situations, it is clear that Nintendo really doesn't want fans releasing emulators for their ongoing systems, and that's actually way more fair than most people make it out to be! Even without Piracy involved or allowed, it is still risky to immediately emulate a platform that is still selling well and is meant to be played their vanilla way until their successor has finally arrived! And while I love the benefits that both Yuzu and RyuJinx added & included to enhance gameplay quality display resolutions & framerates and such, it is still important to wait until their current generation is over before migrating their previously current-gen platform into more advanced software or whatnot. What I would consider okay though, is to privately emulate Nintendo Switch 2 albeit WITHOUT publishing that emulator for anyone to download, because then that would really potentially sabotage their sales from there. I'm probably yapping a bit too much, so i'll just drop this comment there by now.
THIS! This is exactly the point I was trying to make with the video, though you might not think it based on how divisive the responses are lmao. Your comment clarifies it better than me lol so pinned!
It's a damn corporation that, for example, harassed some hackers in the 3DS era. Logged all their online interactions, contracted detectives to follow their movements. Did intelligence to figure out who they were, what they worked for, times they left and arrived their homes. And then assaulted them at their door, returning from work, telling them what to do or else they'll ruin their life. It's all in the gigaleaks. Neimod. And now they're more wealthy than ever. Ruining people's lives under their child's play is nonsensical. Switch was hugely successful, even with emulators being up right while it was current. I'll never justify bad actions corporations take only for their own sake, since they aren't losing money. After what they did in the 3DS era, and what they did in the Switch era, they don't deserve any respect.
@@TheDeathmail Yes, it's better to wait a decade after the console is discontinued before thinking about emulation. That makes it easier for garbage games like Mario 35 to become lost media
@@turkturkelton2357I still don't quite understand why they prevented dolphin from releasing on steam but I'm pretty sure that they knew it was stupid but didn't want to publicly admit it and this is why they left the project be
In my opinion any device that fits the architectural definition of a computer and is meant for personal use should have an open bootloader, from a smart coffee machine to the car in your driveway. For me that is an essential part of owning something. That's why I support both modding devices and emulating them on open hardware, including new ones. As long as the service you're providing is good, fair and convenient, piracy wont be an issue that really hurts sales.
This. I haven't once pirated a game I played on my steam deck, it's a device I own with an experience I really like so I am willing to pay to experience a game in this context. I can't exactly say the same about my switch.
Ngl although i love nintendo i think emulation would die down a hell of alot for current games if nintendo were to make pc ports of there games, emulators would be starved of users, bar ( as you mentioned ) old discontinued consoles. Although highly doubtful that they will i personally think it would solve the piracy issue for modern nintendo games
Most people owned a Switch.... for Switch games at least, Piracy was the main reason for emulation... it was a way to play the games for free or aren't even released yet..
@@TheDeathmailwrong. Not most people owned a Switch, even less gamers. Emulation isn't a gateway to piracy. They literally offered a better experience than the original console, and more than a few owners used it when playing on TV/PC instead.
@@Gabi-enby People were emulating Switch games BEFORE they even released. Stop the cope. It is absolutely a gateway to piracy and most people use it to pirate games. Tired of people like you acting like 90% of people emulating games aren't pirating them.
@linkvagar2336 so, because a loud group of people was doing that, automatically every single other user of the emulators was guilty of piracy? Also, this is a discussion of arguments rather than ad hominem attacks. Behave lol
no matter how hard they try, emulation will not stop. Its a way to preserve games, a way to play them when you dont have access to original hardware, or if the game runs like shit on og hardware.
I get why emulating current-gen consoles is wrong but also we can't forget how weak the Switch is and the amazing things you can do on an emulator (if you have a good PC) to improve that, I love playing Switch games on Ryujinx in 1440p and higher fps even tho I own those games on switch, it's just simply a better experience. But I do hope that on switch 2 we won't have that problem to begin with, and can enjoy high fps&resolution from the console itself.
This right here. I'm just as "guilty" of dumping and emulating my switch stuff on yuzu for better performance etc. I'm hopeful Switch 2 will have the power to NOT push people into emulating elsewhere because the collateral damage is probably going to be a legal challenge to emulation as a whole.
This discussion wouldn't be necessary or maybe wouldn't even exist if only Nintendo would PRICE THEIR STUFF CORRECTLY. Emulation will go on as long as their greed makes them keep charging full price for less technically advanced first party games and the worst versions of third party games, which they seem to want to do for infinity and beyond.
Emulation doesn't just exist because of a pricing issue... It's also there for when the hardware no longer is accessible or when the hardware doesn't offer certain features.
@@FinlayDaG33k Exactly. And Nintendo blatantly refuses to sell people what they want to play while enforcing them not to find alternative ways to get the content they want. They are literally REFUSING money.
@ Refusing money on 150 sales, just so they can secure 10 more sales. It's a whack logic they have. DRM and taking down emulators and all that is just wasting resources in an uphill battle.
Amazing discussion in here, it really sucks because BOTH takes are valid. The answer is for publishers to just sell us the damn roms, everyone wins lmao
No problem with people emulating games from consoles no longer at market. Emulating games still at market is just asking for the ninjas to be released.
Good video, a lot of this is pretty on point but another thing it wouldnt be a problem to emulate current gen consoles if people wouldn't abuse it and just use their original roms, but as you said people are gonna find the rom elsewhere and pirate it 9 times out of 10, also setting up emulators is pretty straight forward most times unless you are using the RPCS3 or something of that sort where you have to download the original systems firmware, anything like dolphin, project 64, SNES9x, and mGBA are essentially download drag and drop the rom and your good to go as long as your pc has decent hardware, other then that very solid video and i agree people shouldn't be trying to emulate the newest generation consoles just for pirating games, its extremely disrespectful to the people who made the previous games that created all of our childhoods and love for these games
i cant wait for twozu to be released so nobody will shut up about it so nintendo will learn about it as soon as possible so they can make sure ppl that cant afford to play their games can NEVER play their games
The Switch 2 emulator should be named "Ozrochi" I got the idea by combining Orochi, a mythical Japanese dragon with Oz, being short for ounce which was the code name for the Switch 2
I do want to play current Switch games with emulation or an official PC version. If they put their games on PC I would happily buy them. If the Switch 2 sells out and you can't find one for 6 months to a year like I expect it to then I might just have emulate the new games until I can get my hands on one. If they put the new games on Switch 1 until Switch 2s are readily available though I would consider maybe playing on a Switch 1 until I can find a Switch 2 or again just emulating them until I can get a Switch 2. Piracy is always a service issue.
I agree with everything you said, but the new wave emulation supporters are people trying to horde all their gaming on one device. They don’t care about the community, they’re just bragging that their 5090 can emulate all, and pc master race and all that nonsense.
IMO Nintendo stopped being innovative with tech. Which allows for easier emulation and piracy. How about make a newer console that isnt just a steam deck with detachable controllers.
Wholeheartedly agree! I talked about it extensively here ua-cam.com/video/RRyju70xzWc/v-deo.html I just believe emulating a current-gen actively supported system is asking for trouble. Wait 10 years lmao. Or don't, I'm not your dad lol,
If nintendo was providing better Service than what they ccurrently offer , Maybe that would not need to be said , i'm not Pro emulation, but i'm not against it either i own a switch and still, i amulate most games i have , Why ? better performance , resolution, etc my current switch is only used for online play at this point ... And you can bet it will be the exact same with switch 2 ( also they charge more on Eshop for digital game than what amazon and few resellers where i am charge like 45€ on amazon for 60 on eshop for most games ... , we know how this will end for switch 2 with people )
Agreed on my device - my choice. but google's AI overview is literally just a summary of your google search results with all citations over on the right. And I read and compare the summary to the sources to decide if a particular overview is accurate, when it's not, I show an actual article instead.
@@Kattatonia Nothing more would be lost emulating Switch 2 games on launch other than thousands of hobbyist dollars spent on better hardware and the feeling of thinking a private interest will ever have good graces to give for hobbyist emulation. Myself, personally, I have no interest in the prospect. I want to see what a piece of software has to offer, and demonstration copies with all features intact are not an option.
No. And this is a really weird take lol. If a game is no longer being sold or supported and publishers aren't making it available by any other means then no its not "piracy" as it doesn't meet any normal definition of theft. My position is 100% if I buy it, I OWN it, and will play it on whatever device I choose. But if your intention is to deliberately not pay in the first place when it IS being actively sold and supported then yes it's piracy, it's directly denying the developers who created it from the payment they deserve. A public Switch 2 Emulator is unquestionably going to enable, and be used for piracy if it exists during the lifetime of the console itself. I'm well aware Switch 2 emulation will happen regardless, the point of this video was to show what's potentially at stake when Nintendo has a cow about it. You do you I'm not your dad.
Emulators are not illegal and can never be illegal as long as it's free and because of that it's non profitable. This is why dolphin can't be touched. The reason Nintendo went after yuzu and ryujinx is because the creators were charging money on the play store for there emulators. It's not a question of if it's legal or illegal. It's a question of trying to profit from a source you built off of others originally owned devices. Emulator is 100% LEGAL and people like you on UA-cam discouraging others not to do something Legally in fair use is what's wrong with our world today. Some people will never get a chance to afford things like the Switch 2 or want to experiment with game modding to challenge themselves.
First I want to say I REALLY enjoyed the video Kris. Switch 2 has barely been announced and you're already on top of it! That being said, I slightly disagree here (and I do mean slightly) I think we should give these companies wiggle room on top of current gen consoles. As in also avoid previous gen consoles as well. Also, you have done your research but I honestly don't think emulating is all the technical and people can be easily converted into trying it out. Last thing, small suggestion, I wouldn't mind if you auto-hide your taskbar. Was kinda distracting. Other than that, I couldn't agree more! Oh AND.... WILLY WILLY WILLY WILLY! LOL :D
I agree with this video that I found just by looking it up! Learning from the Yuzu and RyuJinx situations, it is clear that Nintendo really doesn't want fans releasing emulators for their ongoing systems, and that's actually way more fair than most people make it out to be! Even without Piracy involved or allowed, it is still risky to immediately emulate a platform that is still selling well and is meant to be played their vanilla way until their successor has finally arrived! And while I love the benefits that both Yuzu and RyuJinx added & included to enhance gameplay quality display resolutions & framerates and such, it is still important to wait until their current generation is over before migrating their previously current-gen platform into more advanced software or whatnot. What I would consider okay though, is to privately emulate Nintendo Switch 2 albeit WITHOUT publishing that emulator for anyone to download, because then that would really potentially sabotage their sales from there. I'm probably yapping a bit too much, so i'll just drop this comment there by now.
THIS! This is exactly the point I was trying to make with the video, though you might not think it based on how divisive the responses are lmao. Your comment clarifies it better than me lol so pinned!
It's a damn corporation that, for example, harassed some hackers in the 3DS era. Logged all their online interactions, contracted detectives to follow their movements. Did intelligence to figure out who they were, what they worked for, times they left and arrived their homes. And then assaulted them at their door, returning from work, telling them what to do or else they'll ruin their life. It's all in the gigaleaks. Neimod.
And now they're more wealthy than ever. Ruining people's lives under their child's play is nonsensical.
Switch was hugely successful, even with emulators being up right while it was current. I'll never justify bad actions corporations take only for their own sake, since they aren't losing money.
After what they did in the 3DS era, and what they did in the Switch era, they don't deserve any respect.
Emulation is the only way to preserve console games once the hardware to play the game dies out
Sure, but they could start the emulation once the console is obsolete... don't have to do it right away...
@@TheDeathmail Yes, it's better to wait a decade after the console is discontinued before thinking about emulation. That makes it easier for garbage games like Mario 35 to become lost media
Yes but this video is about emulating a current console, not an old once that isn't being sold anymore anyway
@@turkturkelton2357I still don't quite understand why they prevented dolphin from releasing on steam but I'm pretty sure that they knew it was stupid but didn't want to publicly admit it and this is why they left the project be
No, starting now means when this is gone forever we'll have a perfect replica because all the bugs will be worked out @@TheDeathmail
In my opinion any device that fits the architectural definition of a computer and is meant for personal use should have an open bootloader, from a smart coffee machine to the car in your driveway.
For me that is an essential part of owning something.
That's why I support both modding devices and emulating them on open hardware, including new ones.
As long as the service you're providing is good, fair and convenient, piracy wont be an issue that really hurts sales.
This. I haven't once pirated a game I played on my steam deck, it's a device I own with an experience I really like so I am willing to pay to experience a game in this context. I can't exactly say the same about my switch.
Ngl although i love nintendo i think emulation would die down a hell of alot for current games if nintendo were to make pc ports of there games, emulators would be starved of users, bar ( as you mentioned ) old discontinued consoles. Although highly doubtful that they will i personally think it would solve the piracy issue for modern nintendo games
Most people owned a Switch.... for Switch games at least, Piracy was the main reason for emulation... it was a way to play the games for free or aren't even released yet..
@@TheDeathmailwrong. Not most people owned a Switch, even less gamers. Emulation isn't a gateway to piracy. They literally offered a better experience than the original console, and more than a few owners used it when playing on TV/PC instead.
@@Gabi-enby People were emulating Switch games BEFORE they even released. Stop the cope. It is absolutely a gateway to piracy and most people use it to pirate games. Tired of people like you acting like 90% of people emulating games aren't pirating them.
@linkvagar2336 so, because a loud group of people was doing that, automatically every single other user of the emulators was guilty of piracy? Also, this is a discussion of arguments rather than ad hominem attacks. Behave lol
no matter how hard they try, emulation will not stop. Its a way to preserve games, a way to play them when you dont have access to original hardware, or if the game runs like shit on og hardware.
oh I know lmao, I just fear for what will happen next time Nintendo gets mad :D
I get why emulating current-gen consoles is wrong but also we can't forget how weak the Switch is and the amazing things you can do on an emulator (if you have a good PC) to improve that, I love playing Switch games on Ryujinx in 1440p and higher fps even tho I own those games on switch, it's just simply a better experience. But I do hope that on switch 2 we won't have that problem to begin with, and can enjoy high fps&resolution from the console itself.
This right here. I'm just as "guilty" of dumping and emulating my switch stuff on yuzu for better performance etc. I'm hopeful Switch 2 will have the power to NOT push people into emulating elsewhere because the collateral damage is probably going to be a legal challenge to emulation as a whole.
This discussion wouldn't be necessary or maybe wouldn't even exist if only Nintendo would PRICE THEIR STUFF CORRECTLY.
Emulation will go on as long as their greed makes them keep charging full price for less technically advanced first party games and the worst versions of third party games, which they seem to want to do for infinity and beyond.
Emulation doesn't just exist because of a pricing issue... It's also there for when the hardware no longer is accessible or when the hardware doesn't offer certain features.
@@FinlayDaG33k Exactly. And Nintendo blatantly refuses to sell people what they want to play while enforcing them not to find alternative ways to get the content they want. They are literally REFUSING money.
@ Refusing money on 150 sales, just so they can secure 10 more sales.
It's a whack logic they have.
DRM and taking down emulators and all that is just wasting resources in an uphill battle.
Amazing discussion in here, it really sucks because BOTH takes are valid. The answer is for publishers to just sell us the damn roms, everyone wins lmao
@ There probably are some wonky licensing terms that prevent them from doing so.
No problem with people emulating games from consoles no longer at market. Emulating games still at market is just asking for the ninjas to be released.
hes got a good point. Emulation rights rest on a very frinch point. Theres no need to push
Good video, a lot of this is pretty on point but another thing it wouldnt be a problem to emulate current gen consoles if people wouldn't abuse it and just use their original roms, but as you said people are gonna find the rom elsewhere and pirate it 9 times out of 10, also setting up emulators is pretty straight forward most times unless you are using the RPCS3 or something of that sort where you have to download the original systems firmware, anything like dolphin, project 64, SNES9x, and mGBA are essentially download drag and drop the rom and your good to go as long as your pc has decent hardware, other then that very solid video and i agree people shouldn't be trying to emulate the newest generation consoles just for pirating games, its extremely disrespectful to the people who made the previous games that created all of our childhoods and love for these games
As always, thank you for your take, Kris
i cant wait for twozu to be released so nobody will shut up about it so nintendo will learn about it as soon as possible so they can make sure ppl that cant afford to play their games can NEVER play their games
Whatever but guys don't brag about playing a game before its release. We don't want to repeat yuzu
The Switch 2 emulator should be named "Ozrochi" I got the idea by combining Orochi, a mythical Japanese dragon with Oz, being short for ounce which was the code name for the Switch 2
I do want to play current Switch games with emulation or an official PC version. If they put their games on PC I would happily buy them. If the Switch 2 sells out and you can't find one for 6 months to a year like I expect it to then I might just have emulate the new games until I can get my hands on one. If they put the new games on Switch 1 until Switch 2s are readily available though I would consider maybe playing on a Switch 1 until I can find a Switch 2 or again just emulating them until I can get a Switch 2. Piracy is always a service issue.
With you on wanting official PC versions. Just sell us the damn roms lmao
Emulators: Wait Community! I can give you anything.
Including Games that aren’t released yet! 🙂
Me: Then you die!
I agree with everything you said, but the new wave emulation supporters are people trying to horde all their gaming on one device. They don’t care about the community, they’re just bragging that their 5090 can emulate all, and pc master race and all that nonsense.
We care more about the community than the guy trying to paint a whole group of it into a box for having different preferences.
Great vid!
I'll exclusively emulate since Nintendo has been so violent.
IMO Nintendo stopped being innovative with tech. Which allows for easier emulation and piracy. How about make a newer console that isnt just a steam deck with detachable controllers.
If i pay for a game i should be able to play it on my hardware
Wholeheartedly agree! I talked about it extensively here ua-cam.com/video/RRyju70xzWc/v-deo.html I just believe emulating a current-gen actively supported system is asking for trouble. Wait 10 years lmao. Or don't, I'm not your dad lol,
If nintendo was providing better Service than what they ccurrently offer , Maybe that would not need to be said ,
i'm not Pro emulation, but i'm not against it either
i own a switch and still, i amulate most games i have , Why ? better performance , resolution, etc
my current switch is only used for online play at this point ...
And you can bet it will be the exact same with switch 2
( also they charge more on Eshop for digital game than what amazon and few resellers where i am charge
like 45€ on amazon for 60 on eshop for most games ... , we know how this will end for switch 2 with people )
1:46 what emulator was it? Most emulators i know of don't directly link to pirated games
nintendo arent police im outside their jurisdiction
Oh i totally wont do that trust me i wont ever emulate it : )
*Audible cackling*
Na i stand by the decision to not support Nintendo and there scummy lazy practices and only pirate any and all their products i see see fit
My device, my games, my choice in how I play them. Also don't rely on AI overviews since they are sometimes highly inaccurate.
Agreed on my device - my choice. but google's AI overview is literally just a summary of your google search results with all citations over on the right. And I read and compare the summary to the sources to decide if a particular overview is accurate, when it's not, I show an actual article instead.
You own the device, not the bios that allow the games to run.
@linkvagar2336 The BIOS and keys are stored on my device. So I will treat them as my property.
womp womp im still gonna emulate that thing looks like trash
lmao! I understand, I just hope we dont lose everything else because of you wildmen lol
@@Kattatonia
Nothing more would be lost emulating Switch 2 games on launch other than thousands of hobbyist dollars spent on better hardware and the feeling of thinking a private interest will ever have good graces to give for hobbyist emulation.
Myself, personally, I have no interest in the prospect.
I want to see what a piece of software has to offer, and demonstration copies with all features intact are not an option.
Got it. So the games you want to play are "emulation" and the games others want to play are "piracy".
No. And this is a really weird take lol.
If a game is no longer being sold or supported and publishers aren't making it available by any other means then no its not "piracy" as it doesn't meet any normal definition of theft. My position is 100% if I buy it, I OWN it, and will play it on whatever device I choose.
But if your intention is to deliberately not pay in the first place when it IS being actively sold and supported then yes it's piracy, it's directly denying the developers who created it from the payment they deserve.
A public Switch 2 Emulator is unquestionably going to enable, and be used for piracy if it exists during the lifetime of the console itself. I'm well aware Switch 2 emulation will happen regardless, the point of this video was to show what's potentially at stake when Nintendo has a cow about it.
You do you I'm not your dad.
@Kattatonia please describe where you found that definition of piracy.
Or did you just make that up yourself?
Emulators are not illegal and can never be illegal as long as it's free and because of that it's non profitable. This is why dolphin can't be touched. The reason Nintendo went after yuzu and ryujinx is because the creators were charging money on the play store for there emulators. It's not a question of if it's legal or illegal. It's a question of trying to profit from a source you built off of others originally owned devices. Emulator is 100% LEGAL and people like you on UA-cam discouraging others not to do something Legally in fair use is what's wrong with our world today. Some people will never get a chance to afford things like the Switch 2 or want to experiment with game modding to challenge themselves.
Did you just watch the first half and click off? Watch the rest and see everything you've said here get said too lol.
thats not true, it can very well happen that it becomes illegal. Thats why we shouldnt push it.
First I want to say I REALLY enjoyed the video Kris. Switch 2 has barely been announced and you're already on top of it! That being said, I slightly disagree here (and I do mean slightly) I think we should give these companies wiggle room on top of current gen consoles. As in also avoid previous gen consoles as well. Also, you have done your research but I honestly don't think emulating is all the technical and people can be easily converted into trying it out. Last thing, small suggestion, I wouldn't mind if you auto-hide your taskbar. Was kinda distracting. Other than that, I couldn't agree more! Oh AND.... WILLY WILLY WILLY WILLY! LOL :D
Imagine brown nosing nintendo.
nice try diddy
At least dolphin was better