I can't underestimate how much i love this podcast. I've been obsessed with the old west since i was 9. I've been looking for a dedicated channel, and this podcast scratches that ich.
Thank you for all your content. Younger man of 28, always liked history but never into the Wild West till after reading blood meridian and I almost immediately found your channel and listen to it all the time now
Good job, as usual, and as a native born Pecosite, I was happy to hear Pecos, pronounced correct. I'd like to have a dollar for ever time I heard my hometown pronounced , pee-kos. Killin Jim Miller was one of several ' interestin characters', that called Pecos home, at various times, during the heyday of the 'wild west' period. There's been a whole mess of ' bigger than life' colorful characters, in it 140 + yr history. I've had the privilege of knowing a few of these, in their old age, in the 1980s, both men and women, and listenin to their stories of ranchin life in the early 1900s, was what got me intrested in the history of the west, particularly the l during the latter half of the 1800s, and the trans-Pecos, region, of southern New Mexico, far West Texas, and northern Mexico. I've been fortunate to have access to Indian campsites, in remote areas, on privately-owned lands, from the north eastern Texas panhandle, to the Davis, and surrounding small mountain ranges, of Southern far West Texas. I'm familiar with many of stories you feature, and I appreciate your narrative style of story telling.
This is a perfect example of how wealthy individuals of that time were able to manipulate the court system and that even continues to this day maybe not to the extreme of this circumstance but it definitely happens
Miller sounds like the kind of man you would be VERY fooish to cross. When I listen/watch stuff on the Wild West, Mafia, Kings and Queens of England or modern crime I get the impression "The more the things change, the more things stay the same" is one of the most apt expressions. Humanity hasn't changed. Just our outward coat we use to hide what's under it. And Miller was the perfect example of this.
Hi Josh. I've been listening for a couple years and I enjoy your voice. Very natural and very good sense of humor. Thanks for making my mornings more interesting
Thank you so much for the story. You've told about Mr. Miller and all the stories I've heard you tell before. I finally found you page and love your style and also like your guidelines to entering your channel. Thank you for. Being so nice and God bless you. Honesty is unmatched. Thanks again, look forward to listening to all your stories. The other thing I really like about the way you do. Your channel is whether it's 45 minutes long or however long it takes to tell the story is how you do it. You don't limit it to 5 minutes. In short, change the person you're talking about. Again? Thank you so much and God bless you😊😊😊 IT TAKES TOO MUCH ENERGY TO BE MEAN
Would like to hear about the Coney Island Saloon. I tried and immediately found contradiction. You have a knack for sifting and finding the most plausible truth. Thanks
I love this stuff! Oh hey Josh, have you ever heard of story behind Woody Harrelson’s father? I know it’s kinda out of the time frame u cover, but it is pretty interesting story and set in Texas
Yes, the one on you’re using and the one used in this thumbnail. There’s also a photo of Miller and his wife. There another possibly showing Miller in a saloon but I dunno if it has been authenticated
Ive decided that back then white dudes did a much better job dressing themselves - uptight and debonaire with hats, dope hats in every kind of chill style while rockin tough collars, vests and scarves - cats these days dont match their holster either - calico and tweed
I also do not at all consider my brother-in-law‘s or brother-in-law’s to be family. And there are a lot of them. I have nine sisters and I’m the only boy. Not only is my wife, the favorite, daughter and sister-in-law she just absolutely the favorite Non-instant family member, not only among the “in-laws” I have always been truly blessed. I literally went from single to married overnight, I was four hours late for my “shotgun” wedding (My family being the ones holding the metaphorical shotgun, and it was pointed at me). Been married 13 years now. Two gorgeous daughters She’s still 109ish pounds, undeniably beautiful and perfectly shaped by literally anyone standards, Sunday, school teacher, But doesn’t act it when I have hankering, has literally only ever turned my “hankering” down three times in 13 years, those three times justified. And I have been a handful in every way I am not deserving of her. Back to the brother-in-law‘s. Only two out of six marriage sisters like their own husbands. They are either cheaters, or thieves, beaters, and cheaters. Too bad I can’t get in touch with Deacon, Jim Miller. Sounds like the man could and would bless my whole family.
@ 😂guess you care to some extent, obviously more than less. You bothered to comment when no one forced you nor ask you to. I understand you’re being jealous. I genuinely do wish/hope you can find someone so perfect. I am beyond proud, grateful , and honored with who and what I’ve been blessed with in every way.
Well I love Louie Lamour especially the sackets, But he did sanitize it a little bit very light on the cussing very very light on the affection down playing the existence of prostitutes a great deal. Many times life is about extremes one side you can have a church going very moralistic town and literally on the other side bordello's gambling houses
Sheep farming requires relatively less labour than most other kinds of agriculture. As a result it often caused the eviction of tenants in Britain. This was already a problem in England by the late middle ages. Many Scots migrants coming to America before 1850 would have been fleeing the Highland Clearances. Whole Scots villages were evicted en mass to create rough sheep pastures. I expect those bad memories from the `old country` made them fear Sheppards.
I love the objective nature of your usual analysis, so please take this as minor questioning of your reasoning. You said there is no evidence of a secret meeting. Ah, yeah, it was a SECRET meeting. In my experience they don’t exactly take minutes or leave an official record. Again, no disrespect, love the show.
Thanks! And no disrespect taken. Not sure exactly what you’re asking, though. An author, decades after the fact, speculated that there was a secret meeting. It’s just that there’s no evidence of such a meet occurring. Course, if it did occur it’d be a secret (shhhh!) and if properly conducted, nobody would know. But there’s still no evidence.
@ Understood. And agree. We’ll never know. My only point was that the wording of the description seemed to suggest that because there was no evidence, it most likely didn’t happen. But if it did, there wouldn’t be any evidence either. Thus, it’s a question left open as opposed to a presumption it never occurred. Semantics. I don’t mean to be overly picky, which is exactly how I sound right now. Hahah- appreciate the response, and again, love the show. Love your delivery and side comments. Keep doin you thing partner.
I get it. I can’t remember if the part you’re referring to is an author I was quoting or my own words. A lot of the historians are very adamant that Miller was not involved and that there was no secret meeting. I tend to agree but not so adamantly. It could have occurred and Miller could have done the deed, but I’ll just need more evidence than an author’s speculation.
@ Fair enough my friend. The accumulation of evidence as opposed to the scant amount on the other side is a good argument. I retract. Haha. Thanks again partner.
@The Wild West Extravaganza now I don't mean to be anal, and normally I wouldn't even say anything. However, it is most likely in the best interest of your viewers that we keep the historical account as accurate as possible. That said I hope you don't hold it against me for correcting you when it comes to Pat Floyd Garrets funeral there was one other in attendance that depending on what angle one is viewing history from to whether you would call him an enemy of Pat's. Do I think he liked Pat? No, I don't I think he loved the son of a bitch, and who knows he might have been there to regulate. Word is when the Deacon caught wind Brushy Bill aka William Antrum alias Billy the Kid was in attendance, he gave him the slip tuckin tail out a back exit jumping on his Pony never looking back. Eh eh hold on to your shirt you need not lose your mind allow me to site my sources: The Real Billy the Kid by Judge Bob E. Hefner & Dr Jannay P. Valdez, also The Story of Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid by Louie Lamour. You nearly killed me a minute ago when you said Pat Garret made a grunting noise and then gave up the ghost. hahaha
Your comment was also almost awesome. I get what you’re going for - constructive criticism - but unfortunately the accent is real. Trust me, I spend way too much time editing to also add on the complexity of a fake accent.
Full of sht bro. Wayne Brazel killed Sheriff Pat Garrett. Not Jim Miller. Because it is 1000% known that Billy the Kid was shot and killed by Pat Garrett. Where did they find you bro? 😂
I can't underestimate how much i love this podcast. I've been obsessed with the old west since i was 9. I've been looking for a dedicated channel, and this podcast scratches that ich.
Thanks man!
Thank you for all your content. Younger man of 28, always liked history but never into the Wild West till after reading blood meridian and I almost immediately found your channel and listen to it all the time now
Welcome to the club.
Love to hear it
Thanks! Love the content!
Thanks John!
I'm new to your channel. I found this story fascinating. What happened to his family?
Josh clarifying the historical perspective on the animosity between sheep herders and cattle ranchers is one of my favourite things
Good job, as usual, and as a native born Pecosite, I was happy to hear Pecos, pronounced correct. I'd like to have a dollar for ever time I heard my hometown pronounced , pee-kos. Killin Jim Miller was one of several ' interestin characters', that called Pecos home, at various times, during the heyday of the 'wild west' period. There's been a whole mess of ' bigger than life' colorful characters, in it 140 + yr history. I've had the privilege of knowing a few of these, in their old age, in the 1980s, both men and women, and listenin to their stories of ranchin life in the early 1900s, was what got me intrested in the history of the west, particularly the l during the latter half of the 1800s, and the trans-Pecos, region, of southern New Mexico, far West Texas, and northern Mexico. I've been fortunate to have access to Indian campsites, in remote areas, on privately-owned lands, from the north eastern Texas panhandle, to the Davis, and surrounding small mountain ranges, of Southern far West Texas. I'm familiar with many of stories you feature, and I appreciate your narrative style of story telling.
Just the distraction I needed!
I hear that
Same. Greatly needed.
Great job I love the amount of detail you put in these episodes.
Thanks man
The gratitude is ours, you’ve been reliving boredom on the job for 5 years.
My pleasure, Danny
Thank you.I've been asking you for a redo of this for a while.Thank you very much for this, josh
You got it
Evening. Thank you for the new episode.
Good evening
YES!! Something awesome to listen to while chopping kindling!!! Thank Josh ☘️
Mind your fingers and toes
I work in Pecos Tx about once a week. That place is still very much Wild West - the oilfield is crazy.
I bet
@@mattcrad8605 so is the oilfield busy over in midland area now?
Morning Josh! I'm all saddled up for this one... Thanks for all you do!
Let’s ride
Fellow Texan here, I enjoy your style and the stories are very interesting. You deserve more subscribers!🇨🇱🇺🇸
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Ahhhh something not election..... Thanks Josh!
My pleasure
What the "deep state" wouldn't give to have an "asset" such as Jim Miller on their payroll now. Lol... You're welcome.
Ahh thanks for making this about the election even though it wasn't. Noice
@robcobb2693 no dumbass, just tired of over zealous assholes like yourself.
Indeed! That’s what I thought too - thanks for something different
This is a perfect example of how wealthy individuals of that time were able to manipulate the court system and that even continues to this day maybe not to the extreme of this circumstance but it definitely happens
Love hearing the history’s of the Wild West.
Thanks Jason
Hell yeah brother another banger! Been waiting for this one!
Thanks Josh
You know it would be cool to hear some Of the crazy saloon stories !!!!!
Dude you should have 500,000 by now. People are really missing out. Thanks for your work.
Miller sounds like the kind of man you would be VERY fooish to cross.
When I listen/watch stuff on the Wild West, Mafia, Kings and Queens of England or modern crime I get the impression "The more the things change, the more things stay the same" is one of the most apt expressions.
Humanity hasn't changed. Just our outward coat we use to hide what's under it. And Miller was the perfect example of this.
You do a great job narrating these stories.
Thanks
To quote Jim Croce “ You Don’t Mess Around With Jim “
🤪💥🔫
I'm ready for this one
Hope you like it
@WildWestExtravaganza I don't think you've done one yet that I don't like 😎
@ thanks Jon
Hi Josh. I've been listening for a couple years and I enjoy your voice. Very natural and very good sense of humor. Thanks for making my mornings more interesting
Glad to hear you're getting some sponsorship! I think it's much deserved! Thanks for the story/history lesson!
Many thanks
Another good one, Josh. Thank you.
Thanks again
Thankful for this video , needed a break from politics 😔
Another great one Josh.
Appreciate that
Perfect timing, off work and finished my na meeting just in the for the real WWE.
Perfecto
Hey Josh, the best yarn to listen to, Yours!!
"Cunsair"... my favorite unit of measurement.
Thank you so much for the story. You've told about Mr. Miller and all the stories I've heard you tell before. I finally found you page and love your style and also like your guidelines to entering your channel. Thank you for. Being so nice and God bless you. Honesty is unmatched. Thanks again, look forward to listening to all your stories. The other thing I really like about the way you do. Your channel is whether it's 45 minutes long or however long it takes to tell the story is how you do it. You don't limit it to 5 minutes. In short, change the person you're talking about. Again?
Thank you so much and God bless you😊😊😊 IT TAKES TOO MUCH ENERGY TO BE MEAN
Thank you, I appreciate that
Great episode thanks for the good tales mate
You’re welcome
As always, thankyou... appreciate you.
Peace
You’re welcome
Great way to start off my 4 day weekend! My 4 dogs & I sitting outside keeping watch over the livestock before daybreak.
Sounds like a fine start to a weekend
Thanks Josh.
Killer episode Josh! 💥💥💥🤠
Thanks Misty
Great video! Love ur stuff!!
Thanks for watching
Great story JIM was a man to be taken seriously
Thanks Josh, from Alabama. Woo-haw!!
Appreciate ya
Would like to hear about the Coney Island Saloon. I tried and immediately found contradiction. You have a knack for sifting and finding the most plausible truth. Thanks
What was the contradiction?
Good work Josh, one helluva tale.
Appreciate it
THANK YOU! Buddy! It's Wednesday.
All day
That was a great one man 😎
Glad you enjoyed it
Im amazed that old west people can actually be tracked down.
I keep picturing rev Jim from taxi...... Roffl try that on.....
Oh hells yeah! You rock J
Alright! Got some ear candy for washin' and waxin' the car! Thanks, J.
You got it!
Josh drops another winner!
Thsnks
I love this stuff! Oh hey Josh, have you ever heard of story behind Woody Harrelson’s father? I know it’s kinda out of the time frame u cover, but it is pretty interesting story and set in Texas
Thanks for another great Wild West History lesson. Would love to hear one on the History of the Texas Rangers.
That’s a good idea
This channel is dope
Let’s do this 🍺
Let’s go
Ah, the good old days, when a feller awaiting a trail for murder could and would get hired as a hotel manager.
Before the world got woke!
Awesome
Hey Josh what should we call ourselves... Wildwesters or something like that
I like “Billy Bastards”
@@WildWestExtravaganza😅
Extravaganzists
@ nicccce
Or even EXTRAVAGANSTAS
I wonder if the character of "Reverend Swanson" in Red Dead Redemption 2 was loosely based off of him
Well.... here goes another 45 minutes... shot
The best WWE right here.
Thank you
I live in Wellington. Going to have to look this up
R,I,P Deacon😅
This gonna be good. Again.
Damn….. Mike, Russell….. shots fired…😂
I'm from Pecos, and I've never heard of him. We have a Judge Roy Bean tho..
Hell yes!!
Dale!
Dang son, let's go! Revival time.
Amen
Great episode as usual. Have you ever thought about doing early american mobster stories? Just a thought.
Maybe one day
Love how after all the BtK episodes and debunking you used an unverified picture of the kid…. 😃
1909 wasn't a leap year! How could there be a February 29th? 🤔
Other than that, love your shows, Josh
1908. Did I say 1909?
Great video, love it but are there any other verified pictures of Miller aside from the one in the barn?
Yes, the one on you’re using and the one used in this thumbnail. There’s also a photo of Miller and his wife. There another possibly showing Miller in a saloon but I dunno if it has been authenticated
Lets start a Go Fund Me and make a feature film about this legend.
Seems they could use a few neck stretchin parties these days. 🤠
Always seems like a good idea until the mob comes for you
LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!
Ive decided that back then white dudes did a much better job dressing themselves - uptight and debonaire with hats, dope hats in every kind of chill style while rockin tough collars, vests and scarves - cats these days dont match their holster either - calico and tweed
Norman oklahoma says what's up man!!
Whaddup
I also do not at all consider my brother-in-law‘s or brother-in-law’s to be family. And there are a lot of them. I have nine sisters and I’m the only boy. Not only is my wife, the favorite, daughter and sister-in-law she just absolutely the favorite Non-instant family member, not only among the “in-laws” I have always been truly blessed. I literally went from single to married overnight, I was four hours late for my “shotgun” wedding (My family being the ones holding the metaphorical shotgun, and it was pointed at me). Been married 13 years now. Two gorgeous daughters She’s still 109ish pounds, undeniably beautiful and perfectly shaped by literally anyone standards, Sunday, school teacher, But doesn’t act it when I have hankering, has literally only ever turned my “hankering” down three times in 13 years, those three times justified. And I have been a handful in every way I am not deserving of her. Back to the brother-in-law‘s. Only two out of six marriage sisters like their own husbands. They are either cheaters, or thieves, beaters, and cheaters. Too bad I can’t get in touch with Deacon, Jim Miller. Sounds like the man could and would bless my whole family.
@@J.Walker88 a who gives a shit bout yer darn sex life, prob a pesterer, jumpin on your poor wife
❤
@ 😂guess you care to some extent, obviously more than less. You bothered to comment when no one forced you nor ask you to. I understand you’re being jealous. I genuinely do wish/hope you can find someone so perfect. I am beyond proud, grateful , and honored with who and what I’ve been blessed with in every way.
Most of these idiots had unclean spirits, (Demons).
This guy sheeesssshhhh he was a gangster frfr wowww this guy was no joke
Sick nickname - sounds righteous AF but dudes a straight up devil
Damn it i had to eat i suck
Mike. Russell. 😂😂😂
The main takeaway is that Mike and Russell have been put on notice. Lol.
Ha!
Yum yum, says the algorithm. ❤
i'll give Garrett $600.00 for his ranch but i don't want any goats
Same
I'll go $625.
Lov this shit!!!!! Ye!! Haw!!!!!
Thanks John
Well I love Louie Lamour especially the sackets, But he did sanitize it a little bit very light on the cussing very very light on the affection down playing the existence of prostitutes a great deal. Many times life is about extremes one side you can have a church going very moralistic town and literally on the other side bordello's gambling houses
Thanks Josh! Grew up in Pecos County right next to Reeves County.
The great great grand cousin of Lorena Bobbett?
First again
Sheep farming requires relatively less labour than most other kinds of agriculture. As a result it often caused the eviction of tenants in Britain. This was already a problem in England by the late middle ages. Many Scots migrants coming to America before 1850 would have been fleeing the Highland Clearances. Whole Scots villages were evicted en mass to create rough sheep pastures. I expect those bad memories from the `old country` made them fear Sheppards.
It mostly had to do with the way sheep grazed and fears of sheep scab
Did the wife and the jail guard receive the diamonds?
Far as I know, they did
He must have some heavy dutY connectionso.
I love the objective nature of your usual analysis, so please take this as minor questioning of your reasoning. You said there is no evidence of a secret meeting. Ah, yeah, it was a SECRET meeting. In my experience they don’t exactly take minutes or leave an official record. Again, no disrespect, love the show.
Thanks! And no disrespect taken. Not sure exactly what you’re asking, though. An author, decades after the fact, speculated that there was a secret meeting. It’s just that there’s no evidence of such a meet occurring.
Course, if it did occur it’d be a secret (shhhh!) and if properly conducted, nobody would know.
But there’s still no evidence.
@ Understood. And agree. We’ll never know. My only point was that the wording of the description seemed to suggest that because there was no evidence, it most likely didn’t happen. But if it did, there wouldn’t be any evidence either. Thus, it’s a question left open as opposed to a presumption it never occurred. Semantics. I don’t mean to be overly picky, which is exactly how I sound right now. Hahah- appreciate the response, and again, love the show. Love your delivery and side comments. Keep doin you thing partner.
I get it. I can’t remember if the part you’re referring to is an author I was quoting or my own words. A lot of the historians are very adamant that Miller was not involved and that there was no secret meeting. I tend to agree but not so adamantly. It could have occurred and Miller could have done the deed, but I’ll just need more evidence than an author’s speculation.
@ Fair enough my friend. The accumulation of evidence as opposed to the scant amount on the other side is a good argument. I retract. Haha. Thanks again partner.
Any time!
Has anyone told you that you sound like 3 dog from fallout?
That’s a first
Goats/sheep are hard to count. Don't ask how I know. . . 🙄😐 Little miscreants. . .🤪
@The Wild West Extravaganza now I don't mean to be anal, and normally I wouldn't even say anything. However, it is most likely in the best interest of your viewers that we keep the historical account as accurate as possible. That said I hope you don't hold it against me for correcting you when it comes to Pat Floyd Garrets funeral there was one other in attendance that depending on what angle one is viewing history from to whether you would call him an enemy of Pat's. Do I think he liked Pat? No, I don't I think he loved the son of a bitch, and who knows he might have been there to regulate. Word is when the Deacon caught wind Brushy Bill aka William Antrum alias Billy the Kid was in attendance, he gave him the slip tuckin tail out a back exit jumping on his Pony never looking back. Eh eh hold on to your shirt you need not lose your mind allow me to site my sources: The Real Billy the Kid by Judge Bob E. Hefner & Dr Jannay P. Valdez, also The Story of Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid by Louie Lamour. You nearly killed me a minute ago when you said Pat Garret made a grunting noise and then gave up the ghost. hahaha
Huh???
Almost awesome. Lose the fake accent, I get what youre going for but no. Its distracting, albeit everything else is perfect.
Your comment was also almost awesome. I get what you’re going for - constructive criticism - but unfortunately the accent is real. Trust me, I spend way too much time editing to also add on the complexity of a fake accent.
Another great presentation! I would really like to hear an account of Reuben rooster Cogburn if possible.
Full of sht bro. Wayne Brazel killed Sheriff Pat Garrett. Not Jim Miller. Because it is 1000% known that Billy the Kid was shot and killed by Pat Garrett. Where did they find you bro? 😂
I’m sorry, are you under the impression I said that Miller killed Garrett?