Is Post-Finasteride Syndrome Real? | Diagnosing And Reversing It
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“Aye papi your full head of hair is so sexy”
“DONT TOUCH ME WOMAN!”
"Aye papi" makes this so much funnier than it would've been otherwise lol.
😂😂
When they try and run their hand through your hair
When your local youtuber comprehends endocrinology better than your local physician😂
For real. Love this guy!!
That's why we love him!
He's a scientist that's also a youtuber. A local physician wouldn't know the fine details, you'd have to go to an endocrinologist for that.
This guy is smart, find myself watching some of his videos I would not watch otherwise. Even looked up the pre-workout stuff on Amazon, but not tried yet. C4 not sport version was what I used to take and liked.
I have to disagree my endo treats PFS patients with little or no help their blood work looks perfect but are not responding to the androgen s .My Endo treats alot of bodybuilder s with post steroid issues and never saw anything like this PFS.And I am met women who boyfriends or husbands took Finaterade and they where not the same man even after use.
Dude have you ever considered creating a chart or template where guys can go request the right tests and determine baselines? We need this!!
I think he covered it
@@anthonyseklawi what video?
@@CalebCheek ua-cam.com/video/vFS1yEYlvC0/v-deo.html
@@CalebCheek ua-cam.com/video/vFS1yEYlvC0/v-deo.html
Kevin mann: Fuck with your hormone levels, the drug is safe.
More plates more dates: Get your bloodwork done before fucking with your hormone levels
BaldCafe: Don't even think about fucking with your hormone levels, its not safe.
Most doctors: What does this drug have to do with hormones. It's just a hair loss pill.
XDDD
Consuming drugs can eventually kills u
MPMD is legit
See my post finasteride syndrome channel, we need to publicize this situation.
Bald Cafe is the way
Most underrated channel on UA-cam!
Fact
It’s only a matter of time
Facts
Now is the time
See my post finasteride syndrome channel, we need to publicize this situation.
I seriously love your take on all the hair loss stuff, I feel like you actually know what ur talking about as far as hormones etc whereas most people are just talking out of their ass
Max Alexander well he has tried and tested a lot and obviously learned and read a ton about it
@@kloschuessel773 and he is a pharmacologist. a lot of people with experience are also very stupid
Just watched your newer finasteride video, thank you for this info, I know the other video was much more general and about how you treat your audience... This is the video I needed in terms of technical information.
Could you make a video on diet/lifestyle changes for hormone improvement for those of us who are natural? If it is as simple as don't be fat, get some exercise and eat your veggies and protein, that isn't helpful. But if there is more to it, I'd be interested.
Love these in depth videos man. Very, very informative and insightful
Man, your channel's amazing. I really appreciate you, dude.
WTH man I've been thinking about this today and bam you upload a video about it
Awesome content, thanks a million Derek! Lots of guys notice a spontaneous recovery after a while of being on TRT, and some guys who report having post finasteride syndrome and nonexistent libido for almost a decade claim that bombarding their body with androgens brings them back to normal. Many guys will do a blast of test and HCG for 6 months and a good PCT and it brings them right back. I myself haven’t felt right ever since (still normal function) although the difference between my baseline and current labs isn’t significant. Considering adding this to my list of reasons to get a test prescription.
Don't discount the fact you went through a traumatic event and some of your lingering symptoms could just be phycological.
No joke, this is one of the most profound and mind blowing videos I've ever watched. Thank you for making this Derek, I'm super curious now and I'm going to educate myself.
Love your stuff man you are always spot on! One thing to think about tho ... and keep in mind what I’m about to say is all anecdotal...I’ve listened to interviews with the late great Dr. Jon crisler and others on their take on PFS and they claim that even after administering trt to combat the effects of that suppression , that some of the men never fully recover and it’s a challenge trying to make them feel better even after quitting finasteride and getting their hormones optimal . Idk if it’s psychological or if for some men the use of finasteride has forever altered their 5alphs Redcutase enzyme and it’s ability to process and convert dht? A common theme amongst these docs is that they prefer topical dht blockers like dutasteride shampoo vs systematically blasting your dht . Something to think about .
BOOOM!!!!! Thank you Derek! This is your absolute best video period! Every freaking doctor around the world should listen to this, memorize it and really learn it. This is it! The truth! You are the best and the way you explain stuff is phenomenal. Thank you!
administration of finasteride decreases social interaction and results in cognitive deficits, potentially through a cholinergic mechanism. Further studies are required to understand the exact link between the cognitive effects and the cholinergic system.Side effects may be irreversible and include persistent erectile dysfunction, depression, suicidal tendencies, loss of libido, anxiety, and other neurological issues (ie. memory loss, altered mental status).
He's so lost and clueless and this is why misinformation gets out. It's because of UA-camrs like him..
The best explanation I’ve heard
Hey Derek!
Can you go in depth on neurosteroids?
What do you think about potential fibrosis on the penile tissue?
fin scars your penis tissue?
In med school now and they do not teach this stuff at all. You are absolutely right on what you are saying here androgen is androgen and DHT is the most powerful. If you drop that then you need to compensate for it. Keep up the good work!
How is things going?
This guy is a real gem.
Daaammnnn, thanks for the in depth explanation! Much love!
Hoping you're still considering that hairloss prevention/reversing video!
This is THE BEST post I've seen regarding "post finasteride syndrone"(which is BS to begin with as you have described here). I'm on Dutasteride for 5 years now. I'm 56 now. I've noticed only a slight drop in libido but to be honest it's usually on nights I didn't sleep well so it's probably sleep related. My T and my estradiol were BOTH low in my late 40 to age 50. I wasn't some guy with low T and high estradiol. Now I feel great on most days.
ED is more common than people would like to believe. Losing small amounts of sexual function over time is natural. Exorcise don't eat like complete shit and that'll do 100x more than finasteride or dutasteride could hurt sexual function.
great content im subscribing, im 23 looking for prevention against mpb not sure if i have it or just getting a mature hairline
Great video ! So what would be the fix if you’re still experiencing pfs 3 years after getting off the medication??
This is by far the best finasteride video on the internet, any chance you could make me a list of what exactly I should get blood work done for so I can bring this to my doctor. Looking to start fin soon it would be real helpful. Great content you definitely earned a new subscriber!
Did you get blood work done yet?
This is pure gold, finally an explanation based on chemistry of the body. Thanks for this video.
After 6 days of oral Finasteride I started having some mental problems, like waking up at night kind of confused for a minute, then afraid, uneasy and worried. I kept using finasteride on spray for two more weeks after realizing that was a dumb choice. Sometimes at night before bed I get something that could be described as anxiety for like an hour, after which I finally manage to get over it. That wasn't the case before starting Finasteride.
I've read that the half life of 5-alpha-reductase is 30 days, so I'm basically waiting 90+ days to have a large chunk of that inhibited enzyme washed out of my body.
With all this information I can dig deeper on this, maybe talk to an endocrinologist and get some blood tests done. Just another problem to solve by investigating the hell out of it!
Once again, thanks!
HOW ARE YOU DOING NOW? I just took 5 tablets (each day one) and for a five days. Having all the issues you mentioned above.
I also took just 3 tablets and my sleep is a mess. Can you give us an ipdate
Please update us
Sounds like the side effect 'feeling of impending doom'. I got it when I was on clomid pct when waking up from a nap. Def hormone related. And extremely scary tbh.
Have u suffered any erectile dysfunction
Extremely helpful!! Thanks Derek!!!
What is your opinion on taking dutasteride/finasteride (which lower DHT levels) alongside creatine (which raises them)? Would one override the other significantly?
Finasterid is strong bro. Don't take this shit at all
Better lose hair than dick
Send it
Matt S Yeah! I wanna know! He should do an experiment
Matt S dht has to be produced through 5-ar still. Creatine will not override a 5-ar inhibitor from doing its job. So in other words, no it won’t. I was still using creatine during my dutasteride blood work if you want lab values as a reference point.
Hey man do you ever do consultations?
You say you're not a doctor, but damn man, you should be. You obviously studied endocrinology A LOT and you explain everything so well.
I also have a question. If PFS is basically just a hormonal imbalance, then in theory people with symptoms should be able to continue taking Finasteride if they also manage their hormones manually, right?
It’s way more and way worse than just a hormonal imbalance
@@Kickboxer7267elaborate please?
Doesn't it change your DNA?
NOT ONLY should one test their hormone levels before using Finasteride, BUT they need a proper diet to support Testosterone and ALSO support estrogen detoxification. The two biggest things to detox estrogen via the liver is 1) eat enough protein (military studies showed that when protein is low, the livers ability to detoxify estrogen is impeded) and 2) SUPPORT YOUR METHYLATION. Many people have severe MTFHR genetic polymorphism activity which causes them to have a higher need for methyl donors, such as betaine, folate, choline, and also the B vitamins, especially Vitamin B2 and B12. Also your need mote glycine to support this system. A 2:1 methionine to glycine ratio is a good start. Also plenty of animal based zinc foods at each meal, enough carbs to support thyroid and liver ( a 2:1 or 3:1 carb to protein ratio is great and keeps blood sugar stable and cortisol low; rating loads of protein by itself drops blood sugar and raised stress hormones cortisol and adrenaline); also get plenty of Vitamin A, D, and K2 earlier in the day consumed with fat. That support Testosterone as well. BUT if you produce excess and you’re not supporting methylation with nutrition, your body won’t be able to lower it by getting rid of it by methylation it and detoxification via the liver/urine. Especially if you have even slight MTFHR, as many people do, especially those of European decent.
And if you’re on Finasteride and see a small increase in estrogen and testosterone, then your body won’t be able to remove the excess estrogen via methylation if you don’t support your methylation system to begin with.
Lastly, lose fat (like the more plates more feted said) if you have to because fat tissue is a major source of estrogen. So improve your body composition in favor of muscle.
My doctor has prescribed me Finasteride along Zinc and metionine and I hit the gym, I'm low porcentage fat and muscular and I eat many protein, do you think I'll be fine?????
You didn’t even mention finasteride blocking neurosteroids. Why do you think a lot of these guys with normal hormone levels complain about brain fog and all these mental side effects?
the problem is that fina damaging androgen receptors on the brain,hence the blood level are normal but a lot of guys keep struggling
@@MetatroN197924if fin really damaged any receptors - they would have been damaged everywhere. It means males could take finasteride for a month and have amazing hair for the last of their lives or they could take fin for a month and heal their prostate cancer. But no, once they stop taking fin - their hair loss cpntinues. Because receptors in the scalp start accumulating dht again
People like you are delusional. And it's not even because of fin, lol.
this is the main point i guess....My friend noticed my brain fog, he says I dont catch up fast, and often forget things. And thinking abilitiy slowed down....like Elon Musk pausing for seconds when talking...im sure he also uses fin....as he had hair transpl
You sounds like you know more about it than most of the professionals in canada
and how can i know through my exames if i have low androgens to begin with?
Holy s**t, that video was amazingly informative. thanks
While i do understand most of this Knowledge
I must say, Derek put's the knowledge that i already know, in a new context of which i would have never thought of, allowing me to further understand hormone's into a deeper knowledge
As i was considering (Still am) just crushing my DHT completly
but meow i'm considering just doing it partially as i dont want gyno
I just learned more in 21 minutes than any doctor or any UA-cam video has ever taught me. Everyone who takes AAS and everyone who has androgenic hair loss needs to watch this video. Seriously undervalued important information
How come everyone that takes AAS should watch this ?
By the way Derek, couldnt find a single instance of dutasteride post syndrome, and It might even be protective for dopamine striatal neurons in Parkinson Disease models. Its quite interesting, whats your take on this compound?
Say yo get your bloodwork done and every hormone falls within the normal range. Now you decide to start a testosterone enanthate cycle (or any other cycle)... how many days after do you suggest to get the next bloodwork done to check if everithing is fine?, and, if in the latter you happen to have high DHT levels and you decide to take finasteride, when (and how often) would it be proper to get bloodwork done again? Thanks!!
Hey Derek don't know if you will respond on such an old video; what do you think of Andractim cream topically applied for use as DHT support?
Thanks for this video Derek, very informative!
But what do you think about the people in PFS forums who claim that they've tried increasing Test with HRT but still have PFS symptoms?
For the exact same reasons anybody who goes on TRT feels worse. How many physicians know how to properly monitor hormone levels? Go watch my other videos on TRT for the answer to that question. Standard "TRT" is usually an infrequent mega-dose with unnecessary harmful AI's and a myriad of other horrible practices.
@@MorePlatesMoreDates awesome thanks
@@max_alexxander even people making the claim that they had permanent 5a reductase shutdown do nothing but annoy me, it's always some guy moaning and acting helpless, just go educate yourself and take some proviron dumbass.
Derek is right. Just getting on TRT itself is tricky and can cause issues. This confounds and confuses causation.
@@MorePlatesMoreDates Can you explain that further? Why do people who go on TRT feel worse, because they are not managing estrogen correctly?
Would post finesteride symptoms be similar to post accutane symptoms?
Thank you for this derek
Excellent information
where the hell can one get a LC/MS-MS hormone test in the uk? can't find one anywhere
Did you ever find one I'm looking for one
@@samwoodsywoods no chance in the UK.
We seem very dismissive of hormonal analysis in this country. My girl can't even get a decent diagnosis from a doctor when complaining of hormonal imbalance issues.
Seems like they're just not interested. Gunna have to go in pretty much blind.
@@copernicuskepler7577 it really sucks, everyone decries the healthcare system in America but at least you can get a blood test. In my searching I found the site medichecks, which seems good but not the correct testing methodology. I'm going to get a test from there which is better than nothing
@@samwoodsywoods well, I'm sure they'll just give you the test he specifically tells you not to get, which is like the finger prick type. Let me know how it goes
Been on it for a little over 3 years now at 1.25mg/day (started on the 2nd of September in 2016). No side effects, except, the first months I had (slight) mood swings and occasional pain in my left testicle (both of which completely went away after about 7-8 months), though, I wouldn't necessarily blame the former onto Finasteride. As far as the gym goes, haven't noticed any problems in building muscle or any decline in strength over the couple of years since taking Finasteride. As far as 'hair gains' -- I haven't 'gained' hair, however, I would say that it indeed slowed down the hair loss by a huge degree.
Semmy Bin Hajj Hassan did you notice problems loosing fat or stuff?
Man i never used the stuff and my testis hurt sometimes or feel tense. You know... underpants or pants squeezing stuff etc.
Once i saw a vid about testicular cancer and that had me freaking out for a few days😂
So i also know about the nocebo effect
@@kloschuessel773 No, haven't noticed any problems losing fat. But then again I've always been naturally lean (being around ~10% bodyfat even before lifting weights) and having a somewhat fast metabolism. I know the feeling. The first time when the 'tight' feeling/'pain' (in my left testicle) kicked in - I was like 'what the ...'. But normally, your body should get used to it eventually. In my case, it took about 7-8 months before it went away.
Semmy Bin Hajj Hassan man that would concern me tho if my tests would hurt
Why dont you lower the dose a little?
1.25 is a lot...
Not much of an advantage to 0.5 a day
You could simply do 1.25/3 times a week
Semmy Bin Hajj Hassan i tend to have a little fat but usually also add muscle fast.
Guess thats the upside...
Im a little worried about the bitch tits😂 cause ever since first lifting weights fat starts building up in that area.
And your beard or eyebrows? Noticed anything?
@@kloschuessel773 Yeah, I mean, it's not like it 'hurt' in the ordinary sense. It's more like a 'slight irritated feeling' (if that makes sense?). It was also only occasional, like, about 1-2 days every 4-6 weeks. The reason why I (still) take 1.25mg/day is simply because I feel like I benefit more from it as opposed to 0.5mg/day. In the 3 years and 7 months I've been taking it, I've gone as low as 0.5mg/day to even as high as 2,5mg/day (which is overkill IMO). With the 0.5mg/day I noticed a little shedding going on aswell as a slight drop in the 'quality' of my hair. With the 2.5mg/day I noticed that my libido had (temporarily) dropped (not a huge decline, but definitely a noticeable decline) aswell as a temporal 'brain fog'.
Yeah, I'd say IF you are prone to gyno - be very careful with it. This can cause gyno if you are prone to it. As for my beard and eyebrows, no I haven't noticed anything.
Would taking an aromatase inhibitor help with side effects? Less testosterone being converted to dht and estrogen? Trying to get an answer before starting, thanks
May ask something? So if you run a testo and dht test before and everything is fine. After a couple of months when fina starts to kick and dht drops 70% , does this mean your libido maybe descrease, if dht lays down under the normal levels?
You missed at least 50 percent of the problem with 5ar sides. Its not just serum dht being reduced its the neurosteroids that use 5AR enzyme are also being reduced along side it, brain fog, short term
memory etc.
@Dan Nugent we legit have the same brain. Wouldve said it exactly the same.
Could you make a video on RU and any side effects that you’ve experienced or any notable ones in the literature? Also talk about what you think could be the dangers of it or lack there of
Realism yea please make a vid on ru58841
f rad I would also like to hear something about the prospect of it leaking into the serum and finding other androgen receptors to fuck with. If so, can it hinder muscle growth.
@@realism4183 In german forums like www.alopezie.de are some ru users who use ru for more than 5 years. And theyre all good. Some of them finasteride users who stopped finasteride.
Yes Please do a update video on RU, how long youve Been on it and really how you are keeping your hair!😊
Dreckiger Dan wo kann ich ru bestellen
Disasteride sides? My story: I was on rad 140; 500mg of test per week; cialis; GW fat burner and MK. I had been taking duasteride for 6 months with good/great results. I stopped taking duasteride and cialis suddenly just to give my body a rest from these drugs. I suddenly got sick with high blood pressure over 180-190. Couldn't eat, sleeping 16 hours per day, massive fatigue. Went to emergency room. I do not know what caused this reaction. My BP is back in the normal range two weeks later.
Obviously this didn’t hit the sub boxes properly. This video deserves a fuck ton of views, it accurately debunks the myths regarding finasteride.
Mannn , I know you put a lot of effort into this channel! Your knowledge and guidance literally helps more people than you know! Ordered my cycle today and right before I watched finast was on the list, thank god for this channel
Please reply what are the chances of getting gyno if taking .25 mg a day? Also I heard gyno cases was only in studies where men took 5mg tablets a day.
much lower than 1% in cases of 1mg of fin. So in .25mg of fin practically zero
So what your saying is if I have pfs I should run test Decca and letrozole and I’ll be sweet? Thanks buddy
thanks for this
I have erectile dysfunction and low libido due to having blocked my DHT, if I use HCG with clomiphene, will I be able to regain my hormonal axis and be like before?
Email derek or dm him on Instagram
Did you try it?
Is it possible that post-finasteride syndrome is confused with the long time the drug remains on the skin? It is said that a simple dose of 1mg can remain on the skin for at least 30 days, so daily intake would lead to an over-accumulation in the body. In addition, it takes 3-6 months for the body to rid itself of the drug.
Are you sure you aren’t mistaking with dutasteride?
So can you still fix the hormonal imbalance if you don’t know what your starting point was because my doctor didn’t order the bloodwork?
Hey Derek What Compound would you recommend to boost androgens after being hit by PFS? I know you're not a doctor but really need the help this shit fucked me up big time. Would you recommend I hop on proviron for a bit to get the neurosteroids going again? And will it destroy what's left of my hair since it's Dht based. What compound should I take If I wanna recover from Pfs but don't wanna lose what's left of my hair? Again bro I really need the help My doctor won't do shit. please reply
Also how can I get around PFS if I wanna block Dht. Is Ru58841 enough by itself? Or should I take finasteride/dutasteride along with a mild androgen booster so I don't get PFS? BRO PLEASE HELP I know you don't usually reply to comments but I really need the help
how are you doing now?
What's your opinion on micro dosing finasteride? Like 0.25 or 0.125 mg twice a week? Would it be effective enough to halt some DHT scalp build up while at the same time limiting the side effect profile?
0.25 twice a week wouldn't really be effective. That being said, it is better than not doing it. Maybe 0.25 4x a week. The. 0.5 3-4 days a week.Then try 1mg three times a week.
I'm thinking the same. I'm 42 with Norwood 2 and mild diffuse thinning so thinking it may work. Fin has a 3-5 day half life in the serum, but apparently up to a month in the skin so...
@@machietheapachie7214 we're about the same i been doing .25 / 6 days a week and .5 on sunday and it has slowed my hair loss dramatically
@@logoutjason4689 slowed down but not halted or reversed?? Are you keeping tabs on approx daily hair shed? Have you tried dosing less and seeing if it's the same? I'm thinking of combining 0.25 once/twice a week with RU to see how that works
@@machietheapachie7214 no man, I haven't kept in exact hair count, ha ha. I started off doing .25 4 times a week, and I noticed no side effects, So I upped it to six days a week with Sunday off. I noticed no side effects but I was still shedding a little more hair. Now I take a half a pill on Sunday and the .25 6 days a week. you're gonna lose some hair no matter what, but it's night and day and my hair looks thicker and better than it did before. I might end up upping it to half a pill five days a week with Friday and Saturday off. That's the most I would ever take as I believe someone with my amount of hair loss does it need an excess of this drug. However, I would do minimum quarter pill four days a week
Been on finasteride for 9 months at 40 years old. Stopped waking up with spontaneous erections about 60-90 days in to it, but have no issues beyond that and respond like I normally would to stimulation otherwise. Struggled with depression my entire life from my teens onward, it doesn't seem to make it worse. As long as I'm single this is no big deal, but I hope it's reversible. I was uncommonly "healthy" for a person my age when it comes to sex before this. I only just now see 1/2 inch hairs at my hairline, and still shed. My hair has been down to my stomach since I was a teen, so it's hard to say how much I'm truly shedding when 10 of my hairs look like 50 of the average guy's so I'm hanging in there.
I realize this months old, but can we get an update? What’s your dose and schedule? Are you still not getting boners? Are you still shedding? Has your hair improved? Any info would be great. I’m on month 6 and only now getting the insane shed.
Any updates?
@@AnjewTate also do you have any updates?
@@woodenfishes Ive been taking Proscar and haven't had any sexual side effects. Breen on it for five months now.
Update
This dude is a saint for doing this work
Could I balance myself out with hgh and not have any androgen issues? I feel like it would be a blanket compound that would combat any side effects no?
Been on finasteride almost 3 years. Haven’t had a single side effect but recent research on PFS got me feeling careful. Stopping it for now until I get a blood test to make sure I’ve got a hormone profile to keep tolerating it. My Johnson says thank you.
Just because you tolerate it now does not mean you will always tolerate it. Get your blood work done regularly so you can foresee the effectd
Little update here- got my test to estrogen ratio checked and I’m golden. Goodbye Norwood reaper
@@martymcfly6968awesome bro! Did you go to an endocrinologist?
guessing you have been on fin since, hows it been?@@martymcfly6968
how can i know if i have enough androgenic receptors that could replace the lack of dht in my body? what exame should i do?
And he expects the doctors to know that
A full hormonal panel:
Testosterone (free)
Estradiol
Fsh
Lh
That would be the basic set
Huge video. Tks
Please respond to this question... I completely agree with the necessity of blood work before and during finesteride use, howewer there is some cases of people thwt didnt have sides on fin, and when they stopped it they get the "crush".... One in particular had high t and normal esteigen level before etarting finesteride, and he went into crush after stopping medication.... I think in this case the main cause is because the androgenes go to sleep and not regain function after stopping the drug even with normaal hormonal balance post fin.... Or something to do about gaba a inhibition properties of fin.... Howewer still most of this pretty rare cases, they can be resolved with trt or dht pill, and many of them regain function properly with this kind of supplementwtion, cause higher levels of androgens try to wake up androgens sleeping receptors previously blocked by fin... Whats you opinion on that
What do you think about brain fog? According to you can be hormonal, depression induced or it's due to this supposed neurosteroids alteration? May you make a video about it?
I second this
3rd this
Facts
GABA-A
@@amdimilker5773 Fin only blocks 5alpa-reductase Type 2 and 3, NOT Type 1 wich binds to Gaba-a receptors stop spreading shit...
What do you recommend if it appears Finastidride/saw palmetto damaged your androgen receptors?
arginine
@@tbp5 you are on point on that,i tried arginine and the feelings along sexual fucntioning started to work as it should
@@Vectorman2X what is that? Never heard of it, what happened to you and what did this do?
@@ForzaTerra89 arginine is an amino acid that help organism to made nitric oxide,Nitric oxide is a compound in the body that causes blood vessels to widen and stimulates the release of certain hormones, such as insulin and human growth hormone. Nitric oxide supplements are a category of supplements that includes L-citrulline and L-arginine
@@Vectorman2X okay that’s great. This is a supplement I can take over the counter?
How long did it take for you to notice a difference?
What kind of bloodtest should I take?
Ok-so if one were to cure it via increasing test, how would one counteract the aromatization side effects? Wouldn’t the new estrogen resulting from the test increase act on the same genital sites as DHT, since they bond to the same receptors and inhibit one another?
Some PFS patients don't respond to TRT or androgens like Masteron at all. There is also the question of neurosteroids like allopregnanolone. There is some interesting logs documenting this.
It would really be appreciated if you dived on the subject again to investigate those cases.
Yes, pfs is a very deep problem. Would be awesome if Derek made another video about it.
@@darkprinceofdornehe sells it I think. People have said he promete Fin. Everyone that knows about PFS, knows about all the suicides and thousands of ruined lives, relationships and families. Go figure.
@@antoneckhart4010ok but thousands? I bet almost all of those have borderline low androgenic levels so when you take finasteride, it lowers an androgen and if you are already low lest and low androgenic, that’s going to kill any little sex drive you would have prior to taking it. Most males have healthy levels of testosterone to the point where it’s going to do no side effects to those people
@@collinbradley7775 i beg to differ, suicides have been from one single dose, even 0.5mg single does - half a 1mg tablet only taken once, now in the ground. Suicides have been from sleeping tablets, firearms to temples and ropes around necks. Seriously, read up about it. Its horrible. I took Finastride years ago, am so glad my sex drive came back. Some people crash very hard and are in hell for life. Put it this way, I would rather take Heroin for the rest of my life than take Finastride for a month. That drug is like a bio weapon. Once you look into it, you will be very shocked.
@@collinbradley7775 do you take finastride yourself?
Brilliant!
Should you stop Finasteride cold turkey or taper off? I’m 29 next month and started taking it when I was 20. I don’t suffer from sexual problems but I do have gyno. Also I feel starting at a young age inhibited my ability to grow facial hair. If I stop it will this improve?
I would taper you don’t want to shock your system
Update
I’m glad I never started. Excited for what you’ve got in store in this video.
Scream why?
What body fat percentage would you recommend getting down to for optimal testosterone and sxual function
12-15 percent
@GenTech05 this made me lol I swear the better I look lean wise I literally could have the girl of my dream naked in front of me and I wouldn’t want to touch her.
Health line says 14-17% but ymmv depending on genetics.
Thank you
I never tried this but only dutesertide. Does it have the same risk or worse?
I’ve been using finasteride for six or so years and it hasn’t caused me any problems. I know different people react differently to medication’s but at least for me things have worked well.
Thank you! I'm 18 and starting my 2nd week on finasteride, question is:how do I know if I have ED and how do I test my libido?!(full beard+huge amount of body hair+destroyed hairline+agressive shedding)
hows fin going for you right now? and how did u get your prescription
@@GamingCreeper101 shedding continues as my erections become worse and worse. also it destroyed my libido.
Hi mate , just want to tell you to think about finasteride one more time.You are very young , your body realy need DHT , this hormon makes you a MAN (deep voice, facial and body hair and much more. I was on this medication for over 8 years, I started in very young age too. The changes occur very gradually, its very hard to notice ( swollen face , anxiety , depresion). eight monthsI after stoping this meds I notice huge improvement in my look and also my anxiaty and deporesion has gone. Now i have take testosterone suplement couse my level was very low and also have to use morphine patches and pregabaline for pain becouse I have
4nherniated discs , I think that TEST and DHT must have something with muscle tension .Scientists still dont know much about DHT, but I know for 100% this is very important hormon for young man a specialy young like you. Look for diferent solusions like minoxidile , transplant or hair systems . Hope you win this battle.
Wael Sy throw fin into garbage man and weaf a wig or something. Fin is not worth it
@@waelmohammad9218 how's your side effects now?
does finasteride effect high performance sports such as competitive cycling or running?
KushPizzaSleep depends on the amount i guess
But i think you arent even allowed to use it in competitions
Thank you really needed this! Can confirm finasteride will fuck you up if you are already low to begin with. But it seemed like a good idea at the time because who wants to lose their hair.
Would everything in this video also apply to topical finasteride?
In the less way, because its less absorbed into the blood
What would you recommend for someone who has completely normal androgen levels and still has severe PFS? All labs are completely normal and in range
Donate to the pfs community. Top profound researchers on our side and believe it’s fixable but we have to support them through this journey. We launched two new studies. Message me and let’s fix this shit
@@Yiahi65you’re actually brain washed wow
So theoretically you could experience side effects either at the time of starting finasteride OR after discontinuing use from a long period of time? Because either one can mess with your hormone balance
and how do i measure the quantity of endogenous androgenes in my system?
Been on finestaride 4 months ,good results but I can see some side with
The drive ,let’s give it another month ,good work derek
hows it going now?
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How it's going
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Let’s get Derek to 1Mill guys. While David laid is making videos talking out of his ass about the last meal he had or whatever useless supplement he’s taken, this guy is actually producing fucking value!
Is there a testing service you recommend for UK people? I saw you do this blood work but its US based :(
And are you ok w no test or DHT? Outside the hair line?
Nailed it. I don’t know why this hasn’t been addressed more. Anyone who understands hormones knows this isn’t a mystery as to why these sides happen.
Idiotic physicians should know this...
Glad I decided to go with ru, just started using it a few days ago
Odinson thered whats RU?
DrScream ru58841 is compound you can put on your scalp that’s blocks dht and androgens from shrinking hair follicles, there a lot of videos on this channel about it.
Odinson thered How has your experience with it been so far?, I’m considering using it
let us know if you go into heart failure
Shawn Benoit it’s doubtful, I’m sure the person it happened to had multiple other things going on.
Can you do a deep dive video on post-nut-syndrome?
Man, I hope you revolutionize the Canadian health care system.
Once blood work is done, could you theoretically get at least close to the perfect ratio of getting enough dht and test so that you don’t have your hair fall out but you also have your sex hormones in check.
Or just no DHT with as much Test as it takes to fulfil physiologic functions.
Hi Derek, I have a couple of questions. In order to restore the normal DHT is a drug that does the contrary to finasteride, raise the enzyme 5ar type 2? Or you are suggesting to just take a external source of DHT? This last solution would have problems like test supression right? I left finasteride a couple of months ago but I feel my DHT is still on the lower end. I have libido but not like the one before starting taking finasteride.
Lastly, do you have any idea if the down regulation of the conversion to dht is permanent?
@lolcano234 so basically I am fucked for live?
Updates ?
How do you feel now
It's not permanent.
Body needs up to 8-12 months to restore its' baseline.
Hormonal changes take longer time to recover to baseline.
Very interesting
Do more videos on just the "What yes to do" like "How to run a finasteride cicle and post cycle"
"How to run a trt, pct, etc"
Been training for three years, no gear packed on some size, I'm wondering if high natural dht and having the genes for hair loss is causing my hair to disappear. At least I don't have to worry about it once I hop on Hahahaha.
@CCSconnor sheesh underrated response
Tho i think the thing about ancient peopla having hair has no scientific basis and should not be considered
How's it going now?