274 - Performance-enhancing drugs and hormones-risks, rewards, & broader implications for the public
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Derek is a fitness educator & the entrepreneur behind More Plates More Dates & an expert in molecules commonly used & misused by bodybuilders & athletes. This conversation explores various compounds like growth hormone, testosterone, androgens, SARMs, estrogen, finasteride, peptides, & much more. Derek walks through how these molecules are used by athletes to gain an edge while also exploring their impact on disease risk, hair loss, fertility, & more. This conversation aims to provide insights into whether these compounds are uniformly harmful or if there are broader implications that could benefit the general population.
We discuss:
0:00:00-Intro
0:00:47-Derek’s experimentation with anabolic steroids at a young age
0:10:28-Acquiring steroids from underground labs & the potential long-term fertility concerns early in his bodybuilding career
0:15:56-Backstory on More Plates, More Dates & Derek’s unique ability to blend scientific knowledge with personal observation
0:21:23-Growth hormone-from extreme use-cases to the more typical-& the misconception that it’s the “elixir of life”
0:29:34-Growth hormone 101: definition, where it comes from, & the challenges of measuring it
0:41:43-Does exogenous growth hormone compromise one’s ability to make endogenous growth hormone?
0:43:51-Use of growth hormone in restoration of tissue during periods of healing
0:51:45-Growth hormone-releasing peptides to increase endogenous GH: various peptides, risks, benefits & comparison to exogenous growth hormone
1:07:12-Role of growth hormone in building muscle & burning fat, as well as its effects on sleep & daytime lethargy
1:15:00-Evolution of drug use in the sport of bodybuilding
1:27:01-What explains the protruding abdomens on some bodybuilders & athletes?
1:33:20-Death of bodybuilders
1:42:15-Complex interplay of hormones, & the conversion of testosterone into metabolites like DHT & estrogen
1:52:23-Post-finasteride syndrome & how Derek successfully treated his hair loss
2:07:55-Testosterone replacement therapy: compelling use-cases, side effects, & optimal dosing schedules
2:28:56-Aromatase inhibitors to suppress estrogen, & the misconceptions around estrogen in men
2:34:38-Other hormones beyond testosterone for male sex hormone replacement
2:38:45-History of anabolic compounds, & the differing effects of various anabolic testosterone derivatives & related drugs
2:44:24-Use of SARMs by bodybuilders
2:51:53-Anabolic steroid & testosterone regimens of professional bodybuilders & the downstream consequences
3:01:20-Challenge of accurate hormone testing in the presence of anabolic steroids & supplements
3:04:10-Use of Clomid, hCG, & enclomiphene
3:18:37-Concerns about fertility: comparing the use of testosterone & hCG
3:31:33-Use of BPC-157 peptide for healing injuries
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In this episode, we discuss:
0:00:47-Derek’s experimentation with anabolic steroids at a young age
0:10:28-Acquiring steroids from underground labs & the potential long-term fertility concerns early in his bodybuilding career
0:15:56-Backstory on More Plates, More Dates & Derek’s unique ability to blend scientific knowledge with personal observation
0:21:23-Growth hormone-from extreme use-cases to the more typical-& the misconception that it’s the “elixir of life”
0:29:34-Growth hormone 101: definition, where it comes from, & the challenges of measuring it
0:41:43-Does exogenous growth hormone compromise one’s ability to make endogenous growth hormone?
0:43:51-Use of growth hormone in restoration of tissue during periods of healing
0:51:45-Growth hormone-releasing peptides to increase endogenous GH: various peptides, risks, benefits & comparison to exogenous growth hormone
1:07:12-Role of growth hormone in building muscle & burning fat, as well as its effects on sleep & daytime lethargy
1:15:00-Evolution of drug use in the sport of bodybuilding
1:27:01-What explains the protruding abdomens on some bodybuilders & athletes?
1:33:20-Death of bodybuilders
1:42:15-Complex interplay of hormones, & the conversion of testosterone into metabolites like DHT & estrogen
1:52:23-Post-finasteride syndrome & how Derek successfully treated his hair loss
2:07:55-Testosterone replacement therapy: compelling use-cases, side effects, & optimal dosing schedules
2:28:56-Aromatase inhibitors to suppress estrogen, & the misconceptions around estrogen in men
2:34:38-Other hormones beyond testosterone for male sex hormone replacement
2:38:45-History of anabolic compounds, & the differing effects of various anabolic testosterone derivatives & related drugs
2:44:24-Use of SARMs by bodybuilders
2:51:53-Anabolic steroid & testosterone regimens of professional bodybuilders & the downstream consequences
3:01:20-Challenge of accurate hormone testing in the presence of anabolic steroids & supplements
3:04:10-Use of Clomid, hCG, & enclomiphene
3:18:37-Concerns about fertility: comparing the use of testosterone & hCG
3:31:33-Use of BPC-157 peptide for healing injuries
Thank you both 🏆
Peter, I’ve just been on Enclomiphene 25mg ED for the past 12 months.
I’m more than happy
To have a chat with you about my experiences with it if you’d like .
Kind Regards
Craig
UGL is not some guy. The steroids you buy online are from India and china. They're manufactured just like normal prescriptions. Its just not regulated over there like it is here.
EXCELLENT PODCAST !!!!!! 11/10. Would it be possible to edit in charts, graphs, images of some of the things talked about for future episodes ? Such as chemical pathways, MOA images etc. Thank you for the knowledge, god bless !
I follow below
1) enclomiphene
2) Luteolin
3) PORTULACA OLERACEA -seeds which has shown to successfully restore hpta ....
4) AC262 for crouch muscle growth
5) MK4,MK7
6) will chew black seed
7) schissandra , i3c, cordyceps, foti, maca,cocoa
8) sumac for antioxidant bomb ...with brocolli salmon soup
9) bromocriptine, bromontane
3.5 hours felt like it flew by! Had a blast, and what an honor to be featured on The Drive. I've been a member for years myself, and can't say enough positive things about Peter and his work.
I really hope you guys enjoy the episode. I hosted Peter on my podcast as well and will be posting that next Monday.
@MorePlatesMoreDates There is a real interest from the general audience for more specific discussions with experts like this, I hope you keep this up!
Two goats
Did Pete apologize for calling you a huckster?
Man Derek its crazy to see how far you've come over the years! Congrats man you've always stayed true to yourself!
that was awesome. every young person or even older weight lifters should watch this. appreciate your honesty.
How a guy with no medical degree can carry a conversation like this with a fully certified Doctor. Way to go Derek!!!
He's over doing it a little, like he's trying to impress. Wish he took it down a notch tbh
@@mugshotmarley Thats just how he explains it everywhere I've seen him. You need to have a baseline level of knowledge about hormone signaling to really appreciate his responses.
@@mugshotmarleythat’s pretty much how he is all the time, it’s not him overdoing it, just his personality of enjoying explaining and expanding on points.
@mugshotmarley what a strange comment, if he was over playing it the certified doctor he's speaking to would surely pull him up. This is literally how he talks about these topics all the time. Justbsay you can't comprehend it, it's ok non of us do at this level.
Hope you know “Derek” got ALL his information from Victor Black…WHICH HE NEVER TELL ANYONE OR HE WOULD BE BROKE STILL!!! Victor Black is the REAL PED EDUCATOR
I'm a board certified internist (IM physician) . I'm 100% sure that Derek knows more about hormones than I do 😅
We're assuming you're not an endocrinologist right?
@@misteratoz100% on point. I’ve defended Derek and his doc (Hotchkis sp?) at Marek multiple times for this.. we don’t learn (nor would we need to learn for our populations) this kind of esoteric information in our training. This is the kind of knowledge only passion and experience get you. Even endo doesn’t deal with optimizing a healthy population. They’re well trained in treating pathology like DM and the like, however I’ve seen TRT done terribly by classically trained endos.. even Peter, trained in surgery, likely understands the nuances of TRT much better than the bulk of endos. Again, at no fault to them.. it just isn’t in our training.
That's because he's never been asked about basic physiology. He just regurgitates shit. He doesn't understand most of what he says 😂
@@DrjohncurryI thought his doc was Kyle Gillett?
@@Joseph1NJAll three of the people I know who are on TRT are having their treatments mismanaged by their endocrinologists or urologists. All of these “experts” seem to think it’s appropriate to give 75mg-125mg of test-c every two weeks. A lot of doctors are just trying to check the boxes so they can get through their patients for the day.
Supraphysiological levels of knowledge efficaciously blasted into my existence bro. 2 of my favorite health specialists finally getting together, I love it. Looking forward to part 2
Hahahah love it
😂😂😂
How many hours per week do you spend looking after your body? And how much money?
Nice bro
@meghan42 He's not a specialist dude. You can't fake a medical degree or just wing it... doesn't matter how smart you sound or how many scientific papers you read.
In before Supraphysiological amounts of views!
Vigorous Views
Not gonna lie, Steve for some reason I thought you were dead fr.
The front double bicep legend himself!
You're quite capable of doing a round table with these two gentlemen and perhaps Huberman as well. Bump this for Steve to get on one of these podcasts sometime!
I really admire how Peter didn't pretend to know everything in this area. Instead, he sincerely, courageously, and politely expanded his own and his audiences knowledge with Derek's expertise. This is a tremendous podcast session 🙏
It's also really great to see a Dr like Peter willing to set aside title and rank and listen to someone who is obviously dedicated and well read but hasn't studied as a Dr.
Also really shows how smart Derek is
Exactly@@ClintByrne
Yes... Plus I also think Peter is very smart..... Knows what he thinks the answers to be.... But regards Derek as a deep expert on this subject so Peter is silently measuring his answers while taking Derek s as data that either confirms Peter's belief or signals Peter needs to rethink.
Absolutely, Peter expertly sets the stage and carefully probes the knowledge from the lens of the likes that rarely step to the spotlight and talk open and honest, and as technical as Derek. I respect Derek in his knowledge and his willingness to be honest with his experience in these areas that are not certifiable in society.
It's nice to see Derek talking to someone who can actually keep up haha
No shit huh!?
Derek teaching Peter new things about biology is WILD. Love this interview.
Derek knows more than 99% of MDs.
Considering Derek is essentially an enthusiast in the field lol
That's literally how good Derek is, the OGs know
@@DeusExMachina50 Medical education does not cover hormones and the such in the depth that you know about PEDS. So docs not in endocrinology likely know less than Derrick about this stuff unless they teach themselves which is essentially what Derrick has done
Self education always outweighs classical education
Derek is one of the most responsible commentators on these topics. He doesn't glorify or scaremonger, he gives facts where they exist and speculates in an intelligent and responsible manner.
Wow, not expected Derek and Peter 🙂
Right?! First time in ages I am actually going to listen to the entire episode. More of these sorts of collabs.
Probably my favorite Derek podcast!
Peter is always a beast on the mic, but in this one, Derek also really seemed to enjoy it.
He has a knack of getting the best from his host. His interview of Lance Armstrong was the best I've watched
The amount of knowledge Derek has from experience and his own research is crazy. Always learn something new from him
This conversation is yet another reminder to me of how grateful I am that HIGHLY educated and prolific people come together to share their knowledge, passion, views on confusing topics with clarity and grace. Thank you Peter and Derek!!🙏💜 🤗
Incorrect, educated people to be exact.
info I would consider superior to any kind of formal education all jam-packed into 3.5hrs and all for free. Pretty remarkable!
Probably one of the best 2 content creators in this space, amazing to see you two together. The bro science- evidence based combo makes for some funny moments lol
Dr. Attia, Please! do a part two of your interview. I follow both you and Derek and this interview was out of this world. Nice to see how people have things in common and can provide the public information that enhances and educates their lives.
This is a great advert for self education. Derek holding an in depth discussion with a guy whos at the top of the medical field despite zero formal education. Great talk!
As incredibly impressive that Derek's expertise is, he would admittedly defer to his friend Laith Rex (RIP) on many topics. This podcast and the comment section really makes me understand how incredible Laith was
His real name was actually Laith Algaz. "Rex" was just part of his stage name "Leo Rex".
I couldn't agree more though. His knowledge and dedication were truly one of a kind
Laith loved Peter’s podcast too. He would be proud
I love that Peter judges Derek as a legitimate source on this stuff because of the content of what he says, not based simply on whether or not he is a doctor or has a degree in it. Those indicators of knowledge are often important, but not the be all-end all of people who can contribute meaninfully to this discussion.
I’m so impressed with the depth of knowledge Derek has. He spews the stuff out like gospel. He should be a resource for Peter they would make a great team.
That's what you get when a smart person becomes obsessed with a topic and spends their life just learning everything they can about it, all the time.
I'm glad Derek set the record straight about 70s bodybuilders. The drug abuse was rampant, but no growth or insulin. They also came off completely from time to time.
Yeah 70's juiced hard
@justvibing2497 who doesn't?
Certanly this is one of the best interviews with Derek. Mr Peter Attia is so respectful of what Derek is going to say, having the humbleness to lissen and learn something else outside of the medical field is very pleasing to watch. Unfortunally, almost every doctor is so narrow minded and most of them get offended if You give your opinion on some topic related to medicine. First thing they say ¿Are You a doctor? That bothers me a lot.
derek's honesty is so refreshing. younger kids should watch this and learn.
Strange to me that he comes all the way to Austin and when they film they don't have any wide shots with both of them. It's nice sometime to see reactions.
This was so good, please have Derek back on soon. Looking forward to part two
As one of Australia's original sports supplement and body building nutritionist (Former Australian INBA President and EAS Body 4 Life nutritionist)I love EVERYTHING that both Peter and Derek do individually so having them discuss the advancements of supplements & anabolics is AWESOME!
I never competed before and I’m bigger than both of you
Bill Phillips, EAS… Legend.
Always blown away by how much Derek knows
The craziest thing about this video is that its a doctor asking questions to a UA-camr.
Shows how much Derek really knows his stuff.
Peter knew everything already just didnt want to make derek sound dumb
@yourDoom8 very funny
@@BigDees19on paper but he lacks the knowledge of the underworld, and even if it's not some double blind placebo controlled trial it's very valuable as actually this is the only real, long term high dose usage of these substances.
I am very glad that this discussion happened. I think it probably raised Dr. Attia’s awareness about the alternative health care options that are broadly used in the community as he has a very niche patient population. I am glad that he is interested in learning about strategies used for aesthetics, body building, and by many active gym goers/ fitness influencers. Derek is well aware of this world of peptides and other compounds used to improve aesthetics often under the guise of or supporting health. I respect both of their perspectives as they definitely serve different demographics with quite a bit of cross over in some areas. Thanks, guys! I am an avid fan of both of you!
2 gems here. The best of both worlds. Great interview
Wow! This is packed to the brim with knowledge. Two of my favorite online health professionals.
Great pod! You guys rocked it! I probably only understood half of it. Derek, you're a beast when it comes to homrone function, production and impact. Awesome!!!
This man made me go into medschool and I thank him
This is great! Thanks Peter and Derek for putting this together.
Loved listening to this conversation. It’s refreshing to hear an MD with a fascination in bodybuilding and it’s relevance to pharma and healthcare. Will tune in for Part 2
3 1/2 hours of a doctor asking how the body works is the most surreal thing I've ever seen
So interesting. I also follow Derek who gave the initial education to absorb this detailed conversation. Part 2 sounds even better because it's the actionable info I can use to get leaner - not for bodybuilding - but for general fitness. Thanks guys...
This is the collaboration I need!!!! I am reading outlive and I’ve been a long time mpmd subscriber!!!
I was one of Derek first subs on youtube when he created his channel when he was a GLL member. He really is a great guy.
Derek is one of my favorite people on UA-cam. He is unbelievably knowledgeable. Just him talking motivates me to go the gym😂 Been watching his channel for years.
Wow this is the craziest crossover 🤯 like iron man and captain America teaming up. Excited for this one!
One of the best episodes. Looking forward to part 2, 3, 4.....
I really enjoyed this. I’m a physical therapist and on TRT. Some of the topics covered here have been thought provoking about the role an excellent PT could contribute to someone who has an injury or orthopedic pain and will jump to a drug they maybe could go without in this very specific population.
Really good talk and it’s been a joy to listen to this all.
This was a really good episode. Comprehensive, yet detailed, and wonderfully concise, yet broad spectrum. Loved it. Would even love a follow up with even more detailed on treatments, protocols, side effects, and discussions on the experimental stuff and the potential future treatments on the horizon.
Some of the smartest guys in the fitness industry. Very interesting podcast to watch!
Wow, cool to see Derek here!
Thank you for this amazing podcast has truly changed my life. I’ve been going through some crazy stuff this past year. This podcast truly just solidifies everything. Thank you.
I feel I’ve been to a three hour top tier pharmacology, biology, and endocrinology lecture with two absolute experts. Totally mind blowing on many levels. First that some people do so many and so much drugs. And the ability to control so many hormones at different parts of the development pathways or exogenously is just fascinating.
This is the best podcast episode ever 👌 two greatest minds in optimisation
Some of the best content on the internet. Love the advanced/next level content between you two cognitive heavyweights!!
Super high-level! Utterly fascinating! Thank you for never dumbing down your content. Keep up the excellent work!
Very good. Been listening to both for a long time. Great to see them together
Downloaded, can’t wait to listen. Next vigorous Steve please 🙏
More Plate More Dates! Go Derek man big now.
Derek is mentally and physically a beast. To have nuanced convo with a cerebral beast like Peter is awesome. Thank u both.
Well that was impressive ! 3 1/2 hours with dense knowledge from both sides and a conversation which is always enjoyable to listen to.
What a thoughtful and detailed discussion of hormonal axis in men and women..way to go
Trying to keep control whole talking about biology is so weird..
Derek's most refined, top of his game in this one. Wonder what nootropic stack he was on too.
Every single fitness person should watch this. It's youtube University at its best. Thank you for this. 😊
I’ve been waiting around 2 years for this collaboration, fantastic!
Fascinating discussion. I think I almost understood 7 minutes of it but intetesting on every level.
I have to admit, I 'm surprised with all the talk about treatments for balding that neither of you mentioned Low Level Laser treatment. It's FDA approved and no side effects and as effective as the drugs.
I bought an LLLT device in 2003, before FDA approval and it was one of the best purchases i ever made. It definitely works. I still use it and I still have hair. All the men on my dads side are bald. I am not.
Anybody looking for a safe treatment for alopecia, i highly recommend it. And the earlier you start, the more hair you'll regain and keep.
Great show!
Would you please share the name of your LLLT device?
@@miaash3870I have a Hairmax device. They have more advanced models now compared to 20 years ago when I bought one.
I need to upgrade😅
Awesome! Way to go Derek!
Another excellent show. The number of "Low T and male clinics" that prescribe various HRT protocols but really don't know what they are doing has driven me insane for years. Great interview!
Love how the Doc is asking Derik all the med questions...it shows the medical community doesn't know much about this topic when it comes to real life use. Intresting video lots of knowledge from both parties.
I'm approaching my senior years so I have little interest in PED's but it was still a very interesting conversation. This is without a doubt my favorite podcast. Dr. Attia's skills as a communicator and interviewer are among the very best. Not to mention his knowledge base and intellect. When you consider the other demands on his time, I don't know how he does it.
I personally think the senior years are when intelligent use of PED's might be most useful and needed.
@@danielwhyte9172 I don't know enough to say either way. I feel pretty good so if it's not broken.... That said I'm sure it would put some pep in my step. But alas, these are first world concerns.
Such a good podcast PACKED with information
I loved this, two men differently informed on a shared interest and calmly respecting the flow of the conversation
This is a great crossover for science and sports medicine and a magnificent tactic to expand your audience Dr. Attia
Derek just blew me away...
this guy goes deep...\m/
Dude is holding his own with one of the smartest dudes around. Derrick is legit
I've listened to this twice now, exactly the topic and info of interest to me. Can't wait for a part 2.
What a fabulous conversation! Thank you to both such enlightened individuals. 🙏😊💓
I love the fact that Dr attia, with his traditional medical background, will delve into these topics that most doctors are clueless about.This is fantastic. The fact that derrick is even in the same room with Peter, goes to show that derrick is the real deal. Highest level of Respect to both of them !
Fascinating stuff. I had no idea compounding pharmacies were basically glorified supplement manufacturing for pharamcy grade drugs. A couple random things derek brought up that were very insightful to somethings i have been wondering about. I guess I'm a nerd, i watched and listened adamantly to the entire video almost in 2 sittings and I don't even lift bro.
This is like a compilation of all the good videos of mpmd before reactions videos. Love it and will keep watching it back to back
As a Medic I have witnessed on two occasions pt's with pain in their necks and TBI like symptoms. These pt's both were in their 40's and later diagnosed to have carotid dissection. Both passed away in the operating room unfortunately and I have been told the mortality rate is very high.
Damn dude Derek is super knowledgable
2 of my favorites in 1 podcast. Can’t wait for part 2
Same
It's always impressive when someone really knows their stuff. Great work Derek.
What a brilliant combo! so much interesting info. Thanks guys.
2:07:59 "when are you starting" killed me^^
My two favourite sources of health and biohacking knowledge. I am going to watch and rewatch, so happy that this collab happened.
Also, this is intense! Peter is really diving in with the questions, obvious that Derek is not used to that level of scientific curiosity, I think both are in heaven.
These minds meet and exchange ideas, coming from such different worlds. Bravo to both for the bravery.
They didn’t touch on using cooling of the testicles and working out to increase Luteinizing hormone naturally. I have 1060 total T from cold showers and exercise. Better to bump up your hormones with environmental stimulus. Probably why the Scottish wore kilts.
@@jeffreysummers6843 You have 1060 from your genes. Excercise and other similar interventions have minor impact, much greater is (bad) food, and (bad) sleep. 1060 means nothing. My natty T was 1150 before going on TRT (M54), and I felt like shit. Bumping it to 1400 was the "ahhhh" sensation of feeling great again. I do excercise, cold, diet, sleep, yada yada.
You (and I) just have high natural levels of T. At a certain point in time, that level will drop below your feel-good threshhold, at that point in time you will probably need a higher dose of Test than normal people. When that day comes, hopefully when you are very old: Please please start with 250 IU of HCG (daily pinning), and then add T Enanthate, daily pinning, on top of that. If your doc says T only, or T Cypionate, find a new doc. You will probably need 175mg/week +/- something, which is highish, but that is because your natty baseline is borderline supraphysical.
Copy/paste this into your phone, and review it when the day comes. I would have sworn it would never be me. But age is a thing, and you loose 1-2% pr year, it accellerates after 50.
I've been waiting weeks for this episode to release. This made my day
Nice discussion. The level of expertise is manifested in the analysis. Like it.
Taking DHEA changed my life. I'm 46 and for years I've been feeling exhausted all the time, moody, anxious and irritable. Since I began taking DHEA (50 mg) daily - except weekends - it's like I got the old me back. My mood is fine, I'm calm and my energy levels are high.
I don't think it's changed anything regarding my physiology, but quality of life has skyrocketed.
I TAKE 100 MGS OF DHEA BEFORE BEDTIME BEEN DOING IT FOR MANY YEARS..IM STEROID FREE ALL MY LIFE..CANT DAY DHEA IS DOING ANYTHING
Have you noticed any negatives at all?
@@bigzachful NOTHING NEGETIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO BLOOD WORK TO SEE IF MY DHEA IS HIGHER OR WHAT NOT
Took me two weeks but finally made it thru the whole vid😂
any video with Derek is worth watching coz hes knowledgeable and such an eye candy
Thank you gentlemen!!! Cant wait for part 2!
Enclomiphene is of particular interest, any way you can expand on this compound in regards to ideal candidates who may benefit the most if it gets fda approval in US.
Thank you for the education!
This is gold!
Derek's IQ must be off the charts. He could be a guest lecturer at any medical school.
😂😂 to talk about steroids and tren ?
@@BigDees19I'm sure that you are capable of, with no formal education, discussing androgenic alopecia, C reactive proteins, the side effects of androgens and estrogenic metabolites, aromatase inhibitors, the details of the relevant genetic factors, and the details of CBC testing with one of the world's most recognizable doctors in a public forum while still retaining your credibility.
@@rockroll7649 😆so you learned all that from him ? 😂 When there's actual medical professional channels out there and plenty of books, that talk and are the real deal like Peter is. Or ya know maybe school too? But I also learned everything myself as well. I know the basic information he does. That's all basic biology bro 😂. But hey if knowing simple cbc complete blood is so omg to you then cool rockroll. This is literally a steroid gym douche. That' tries way to hard to sound smart and got lucky thats all since there wasn't many channels like him for gym douches so his blew up that's it it could of been anyone else.
Great pod gentlemen. Can’t wait for round 2!
Great podcast. Derek has an amazing amount of knowledge in this area!
My doctor acts like he knows everything about testosterone it's so frustrating. I've learned way more from Leo Longevity and Vigorous Steve ( Derek did Bio bros w them) than any doctor ever could have taught me. Derek is very educated on it too. This is great content
Derek held his own with the big dogs!
Part two would be amazing! Great conversation. Thank you.
PHENOMENAL episode, gentlemen. A huge fan of both, and this was an informational delight.
"So to translate that into English". Lmao. Peter needs to be there when Derek posts his regular videos to translate
jeez what a crossover.
You missed an obvious conversation about the TRIIM trial for Thymus and longevity, which is based on GH and DHEA use! Please talk about this in near future podcasts!
Beautiful you two. I cannot wait for parts 2, 3, 4, and 5 🎉🤗🏆