Love the new review format! Great info and review!!! Been a Mathews fan for a long time now, but these Bowtechs are getting my attention. I am doing my own work and they look so tunable!!!
I personally love my SR350, it is a hammer for my setup, and this looks to be a worthy predecessor (except I wished it still had the big ass cams for aesthetics). I don't care for the core/bridgelock system, would've preferred picatinny and Bowtech just distanced themselves even more in terms of tuneability. Their tunability and customer service is why I have stuck with them the last two bows and will likely continue to do so in the future. Best reviews on UA-cam, much appreciated and keep it up.
I like the tests you have. The specs based score is nice. I like the fact you give some other feedback about the give and take when it comes to the different style of bow...like this "speed refined" bow vs the "super smooth" bow and then the draw length and how that will change the feel of the draw cycle, changing to smooth side, etc. Please keep it up.
MFJJ is 100% right on this bow. I'm 28.5 and i love the draw cycle on this bow. There is a hump at the end when it's on performance but it absolutely rips. I actually shoot my Core SR better than my LIFT. I just chrono'd my SR at 28.5, 72#, 389g TAC arrow and I was getting 315fps.
Shot this one and the other new releases. Hands down in comfort this pulled better for me at 29.5 across all three platforms. Very smooth and consistent. I shot the ss its cool for a shorter ATA but it pulled the same if not a little worse at my draw length. I wanted to like the carbon but it was just not what I expected not impressed. I will say on performance that SR was rough, but maybe tunable to make it a little less shoulder popping. Comfort was a blast and super easy and consistent draw over and over. Solid reviews as usual can’t wait for what comes next this year!
I just picked one of these core sr. Absolutely love it! I'm only 27.5" draw length. I shot both the matthews lift and this side by side, and the choice was obvious for me.
Watching you pull that back was making MY shoulder hurt. 😂 I’m not a speed bow guy, so not my style but I can see the appeal for the guys at 28”-29” draw but want to max their bow performance. Well done sir!
As someone who does their own bow work, I think the SS will be my new bow next spring. Can't beat being able to tune from the cams with an Allen wrench.
I went and shot the new Bowtech lineup last week and really liked the SS. I agree that the SR is harsh at 30 inches (I am a 30" draw). Overall I think the 24 line is packed with great bows, even though I still feel the Experience is still one of Bowtech's best bows of all time. Nice honest review, thanks for taking the time to do these reviews.
I just went and traded my Omnia in on the bow yesterday and absolutely love it. For my 28in draw it drew better than the Omnia did for me and I’m getting more speed in my setup than I did with my Omnia. Loved the honest review and I look forward to more from you. Thank you for taking the time in putting out this content.
What are the blue stops you have put on to replace the stock black rubber ones? I saw someone at a shoot have those, and they look better than the stock black ones! Love the videos!!
I know you said that blackgold is likely to be the only sight with the integrated core mount available.. but are we still able to mount any normal sight to the side of the riser on these bows?
I picked up a revolt xl I’m 31&1/2 draw and that bow is amazing I can’t think of anything else I could want except the time lock. With that being said I’m not a fan of proprietary technology’s that corner a consumer into a system of proprietary products for the bow like Mathew’s we are seeing now what they (Mathew’s) is really doing and it’s raising prices and having accessories that are outrageous in price. I hope $2k doesn’t become the new norm because that’s not fun
Hi I have been waiting for this and the rest of the upcoming reviews next year a new bow or two for me keep up your great work my Bowtech Guardian from 2007 I’d still kicking but But But But I still need that string level we started them time got in the way 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺please
So the sr would be a better choice for a short, 27.5 draw, over the ss. I'm just looking to get the most efficient bow with a short draw. The Kairos is interesting also.
The limb lock should be released before adjusting the limb bolts, right? Maybe it doesn’t matter all that much, but loosening the limb bolts and then letting the limbs “pop” out when the lock is released just doesn’t seem right…
The vibration jumped when you hit the back wall not from the bow actually firing. Those numbers are just how hard you hit the back wall. For the first and third shot.
I was really wanting a Revolt X with all the new features. something with a brace longer than 6”. Should I just get an SS34 and live without Timelock and Griplock. Don’t really care about the centershot feature
Awesome videos. Has it been verified that vibration meter isn't getting false readings from the back wall? It looks like it hit as high as 900 on the back wall. Could be wrong just wondering if starting the meter after back wall would yield different results. Either way the new testing format is awesome, especially the 3 different arrow speeds. 🔥 🤟
I'm guessing it ignores any vibrations that aren't of a certain amplitude our outside of an actual shot event and/or it's only measuring the peak vibration event within a very brief window. That's how those things typically work. I've played with them before but not the same brand.
@@Patriot36 Gotcha, makes sense...it's gotta be the peak until he stops it but there is a significant vibration to the meter when hitting the back wall. It would be nice to eliminate that by starting it after full draw, or at least test if there is a difference.
I would love it if you go back to at least testing the feel of the bowtechs in both comfort and speed. Most people are going to leave it in comfort such as myself.
Dude, I've never seen you work so hard during the shooting portion of a bow review. I'm only a 28" draw so I'm guessing this would be a slightly different animal. I say slightly because that hump is still going to be there... but will it be 10% better, 15% better, or something else? I might drop by the shop and shoot one today and leave my quick impression from a shorter shooter's perspective.
Okay, I shot the Core SS today. The big hump at the end of the stroke is definitely significant even at 28" draw. So yes, I would imagine it could be worse at its 30" max adjustment but it's still quite substantial at 28" as well. It's just the nature of the performance module when it's flipped. It did pick up 10fps though, which was surprising, as I thought it would be less. We saw 296fps with 355gr arrow on comfort and 306fps on performance... 28" draw.
Is there any truth to Bowtech bows being "string eaters?" I'm on the fence about Bowtech, I want the SS34 but I've seen a lot of these string eater comments around...
Your vibration meter method is clearly not working correctly. Both the 9.43 and 11.23 numbers were hit while you drew the bow. You need to have someone reset it after you've drawn the bow, especially with these bows that have a big hump to get over. Otherwise thanks for your great reviews!
Too bad you have to put these bow in performance to have same speeds as competitors do. I have a Carbon One and in comfort mode it’s the same speed as my V3x 33 at 65 pounds… in performance it matches speed of my Mathews at 70#, but with a very worse draw cycle 🤷🏻♂️
I was really praying that Mathews had something a bit better than a lightened up phase 4 not much has really changed. If they came out with a 34 or even a 35 lift or a better way to shim the cams. Now you need new fingers for the press and new switch weight mods I may have considered it. But bowtech and all the adjustability it offers. If I'm gonna get a 33 ata I'm going with the core sr. Won't be long before other sights offer the core lock system.
Not saying anything against how you test things but why is it that there is such a difference between what the company puts on for its speed to what you get in a real world situation with the same weight arrow and the same draw length and same poundage why is that such a hard thing to do what are they doing differently that gives them such a high number that they publish That's just the most confusing thing to me ever whereas it doesn't really matter because nobody's going to be really shooting at that speed but I know it's like a selling point help me to understand
Standards they have and deviations with equipment they can push and be in standard as well as things on strings, like peep, d loop, dampeners are all removed. As well as speed nocks and even some use less string count for testing because they are allowed to per spec. A lot that goes into it but most manufacturers are over rated for their ibo speed
The companies are giving IBO Max speeds with nothing on the string. It irritates the heck out of my that MJFF keeps saying IBO and doesn't explain anything. IBO speed is 80# +/- 2# draw weight, 5 grains per pound arrow weight, and no max draw length! Using IBO a company cant test a the speed of a bow with an 82# draw, 33" draw length, and 400 grain arrow then market that speed. ATA arrow speed is what MFJJ is doing with his 350 grain arrow speed test. ATA is 30"+1/4" draw, 70# +/- 0.2#, 5 gr/# arrow. This is why there is a speed discrepancy. If all the bow companies were required to us ATA then this confusion wouldn't exist.
It's why they claim speeds up too. When they post Ibo. Ata is more common folk numbers. But I was praying for a 34 ata with all the extras. But got slapped with another 33. The ss34 was a big hit last year. And they could have done a Mathews thing. Rebranded the bow with a different name and added the extra tech onto it.
Super sad picatinny is not going to become the standard sight system. Bowtech will lose a lot of sales to guys who already have a $500 Spot Hogg or HHA setup that is picatinny.
It will be interesting to see how much the other sight manufacturers chase Bowtech. It makes sense they all chased Mathews bridgelock, as Mathew outsells Bowtech exponentially. Not sure if Spot Hogg, HHA, Axcel, etc will rush to make this fit. @@davemartin660
Stop calling ATA speed IBO, and I will be happy. You are testing the ATA speed of these bows by backing them down to shoot a 350 grain arrow. Your audience deserves to know that. ATA Speed is 30" +1/4"draw, 70# +/- 0.2 , and 5 gr/# arrow. IBO is quite different hence the speed disparity we normally see. IBO speed is 80# +/- 2# draw weight, 5 grains per pound arrow weight, and no max draw length!
Love the reviews but your vibration numbers are off. It's peaking on the draw when you hit the back wall.
I saw it on the third shot. The draw was 1123, the shot looked to be 9XX - you are observant, thanks for the heads up!
Without a doubt I get the most out of your reviews. Keep up the great work.
Love the new review format! Great info and review!!!
Been a Mathews fan for a long time now, but these Bowtechs are getting my attention. I am doing my own work and they look so tunable!!!
Great job . Love your reviews .
I’m about 90% sure I’m going with Bowtech this year. I am very impressed with the tuning features.
Bowtech is delivering every feature you can think of
Ha ha more like they're delivering every feature Mathews can think of 😂😂😂
Btw, this is just a joke. Completely messing with ya lol
I personally love my SR350, it is a hammer for my setup, and this looks to be a worthy predecessor (except I wished it still had the big ass cams for aesthetics). I don't care for the core/bridgelock system, would've preferred picatinny and Bowtech just distanced themselves even more in terms of tuneability. Their tunability and customer service is why I have stuck with them the last two bows and will likely continue to do so in the future. Best reviews on UA-cam, much appreciated and keep it up.
Actually laughed out loud at work when the bow went off right as you got it back on the vibration test.
Me too! I'm pretty sure that never hit full draw either. Watching in in slow mo, it look like it was halfway into the hump.
At work. Slacker’s
Love ❤️ this bow!
I really like that Josh is honest about his reviews. We know you love BowTech man, but appreciate a non-biased spec driven review.
love all the reviews. You use real data not just how it feels to you.
Love the bow reviews!
I like the tests you have. The specs based score is nice. I like the fact you give some other feedback about the give and take when it comes to the different style of bow...like this "speed refined" bow vs the "super smooth" bow and then the draw length and how that will change the feel of the draw cycle, changing to smooth side, etc. Please keep it up.
MFJJ is 100% right on this bow. I'm 28.5 and i love the draw cycle on this bow. There is a hump at the end when it's on performance but it absolutely rips. I actually shoot my Core SR better than my LIFT. I just chrono'd my SR at 28.5, 72#, 389g TAC arrow and I was getting 315fps.
Great video! Thanks
Shot this one and the other new releases. Hands down in comfort this pulled better for me at 29.5 across all three platforms. Very smooth and consistent. I shot the ss its cool for a shorter ATA but it pulled the same if not a little worse at my draw length. I wanted to like the carbon but it was just not what I expected not impressed. I will say on performance that SR was rough, but maybe tunable to make it a little less shoulder popping. Comfort was a blast and super easy and consistent draw over and over.
Solid reviews as usual can’t wait for what comes next this year!
Well done review!!!! Thank you!!! 😊
I just picked one of these core sr. Absolutely love it! I'm only 27.5" draw length. I shot both the matthews lift and this side by side, and the choice was obvious for me.
Watching you pull that back was making MY shoulder hurt. 😂 I’m not a speed bow guy, so not my style but I can see the appeal for the guys at 28”-29” draw but want to max their bow performance. Well done sir!
Thanks for all the info, I am dying to try this and the CORE SS. An easy to tune bow so I can really start to play in my new retirement addiction.
As someone who does their own bow work, I think the SS will be my new bow next spring. Can't beat being able to tune from the cams with an Allen wrench.
Love the new scoring system. Gives hard numbers to compare!
I went and shot the new Bowtech lineup last week and really liked the SS. I agree that the SR is harsh at 30 inches (I am a 30" draw). Overall I think the 24 line is packed with great bows, even though I still feel the Experience is still one of Bowtech's best bows of all time. Nice honest review, thanks for taking the time to do these reviews.
I just went and traded my Omnia in on the bow yesterday and absolutely love it. For my 28in draw it drew better than the Omnia did for me and I’m getting more speed in my setup than I did with my Omnia. Loved the honest review and I look forward to more from you. Thank you for taking the time in putting out this content.
Same here bud. It's a shooter for sure at 28-ish draw!!
@@firstcontactoutdoors1105 Amen Brother.
MFJJ you are my new bow review guy for new bows.think you cover about all we need to know.
The deep breaths and big sighs tell me all I need to know about this bow…
Great content, that’s a fine Bow
I think you spot on with the bow.
Really excited to put some arrows through this one soon!
Great review bro...
Grateful for your reviews..I'd like to see you shoot them at distances personally
if I had to pick right now between Core SR, SS or Ethos the Ethos wins. waiting to see what Mathews and Hoyt does now.
That’s a finely tuned athletic machine!!!
What are the blue stops you have put on to replace the stock black rubber ones? I saw someone at a shoot have those, and they look better than the stock black ones! Love the videos!!
Sounds like someone needs to make a attachment for the sight bar to make it a pic mount. That wouldn't be hard to do.
Looks like a good option for a bow for TAC
For kicks and giggles do the vibration test with a heavy arrow vs light?
Do you have a separate video on what the vibration gauge actually does or what the numbers mean?
An intro so nice you did it twice
I said if they put that timelock on the hunting bows...
I'm sold.
I know you said that blackgold is likely to be the only sight with the integrated core mount available.. but are we still able to mount any normal sight to the side of the riser on these bows?
I would love to know what you thought about the draw cucler difference between the SR and the new Mathews 33, speeds seem the same.
Do you think the brace height will make it less accurate for a moderate shooter? Vs the shorter Core bow?
She's a heater 🔥
Might be a new purchase for me as well, I have 3 SR6 Bow's, I am liking this one though.
Forget the curve ball Ricky, give'em the heater.
I picked up a revolt xl I’m 31&1/2 draw and that bow is amazing I can’t think of anything else I could want except the time lock. With that being said I’m not a fan of proprietary technology’s that corner a consumer into a system of proprietary products for the bow like Mathew’s we are seeing now what they (Mathew’s) is really doing and it’s raising prices and having accessories that are outrageous in price. I hope $2k doesn’t become the new norm because that’s not fun
Hi I have been waiting for this and the rest of the upcoming reviews next year a new bow or two for me keep up your great work my Bowtech Guardian from 2007 I’d still kicking but
But But But I still need that string level we started them time got in the way 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺please
I wonder if those cams would fit on the Solution SS bow.
I like a hard cam like that.
So the sr would be a better choice for a short, 27.5 draw, over the ss. I'm just looking to get the most efficient bow with a short draw. The Kairos is interesting also.
Whoops, that release is getting hot 😅
The limb lock should be released before adjusting the limb bolts, right? Maybe it doesn’t matter all that much, but loosening the limb bolts and then letting the limbs “pop” out when the lock is released just doesn’t seem right…
You sure vibration measurements aren’t peaking on hitting the back wall?
Can you revisit (re-review) bowtech solution please, it was a very fast bow when it launched
On the vibration test you got 9,43 on the first shot. But you got 9,43 when you draw the bow. Time 8:32.
I keep hearing about the bow giveaways coming soon, did I miss them?
So because they have the ability to go from comfort to performance, will the SS in “performance” match the SR in comfort mode?
The vibration jumped when you hit the back wall not from the bow actually firing. Those numbers are just how hard you hit the back wall. For the first and third shot.
I was really wanting a Revolt X with all the new features. something with a brace longer than 6”. Should I just get an SS34 and live without Timelock and Griplock. Don’t really care about the centershot feature
How much does a short reflex compensate for a short brace hight for stability and accuracy?
A very good question that I would also like to know the answer
Are you going to review the Commander?
When are you going to review a PSE Shootdown pro?
Is there gonna be a Core 80? 🤔
Awesome videos. Has it been verified that vibration meter isn't getting false readings from the back wall? It looks like it hit as high as 900 on the back wall. Could be wrong just wondering if starting the meter after back wall would yield different results. Either way the new testing format is awesome, especially the 3 different arrow speeds. 🔥 🤟
I'm guessing it ignores any vibrations that aren't of a certain amplitude our outside of an actual shot event and/or it's only measuring the peak vibration event within a very brief window. That's how those things typically work. I've played with them before but not the same brand.
@@Patriot36 Gotcha, makes sense...it's gotta be the peak until he stops it but there is a significant vibration to the meter when hitting the back wall. It would be nice to eliminate that by starting it after full draw, or at least test if there is a difference.
whats the let off on them
I would love it if you go back to at least testing the feel of the bowtechs in both comfort and speed. Most people are going to leave it in comfort such as myself.
No more flip disc? So. Far not seeing enough to give up my SR6. I'd love to see you test a Athens Elevate.
Yes, it has flip disc.
Ss34 versus core sr( comfort )????
Even the master can get hot on the trigger, I see. it's not easy to shoot a compound at those weights that much.
did i miss riser length
Gonna count the one that bumped off before full draw? Lol
The draw length stopping at 30 inches on this one is a bummer.
Dude, I've never seen you work so hard during the shooting portion of a bow review. I'm only a 28" draw so I'm guessing this would be a slightly different animal. I say slightly because that hump is still going to be there... but will it be 10% better, 15% better, or something else? I might drop by the shop and shoot one today and leave my quick impression from a shorter shooter's perspective.
Okay, I shot the Core SS today. The big hump at the end of the stroke is definitely significant even at 28" draw. So yes, I would imagine it could be worse at its 30" max adjustment but it's still quite substantial at 28" as well. It's just the nature of the performance module when it's flipped. It did pick up 10fps though, which was surprising, as I thought it would be less. We saw 296fps with 355gr arrow on comfort and 306fps on performance... 28" draw.
@@Patriot36what draw weight did you shoot?
@@HuckFTW 70lbs
Is the mod set on performance on the SR ?
Yes
Is there any truth to Bowtech bows being "string eaters?" I'm on the fence about Bowtech, I want the SS34 but I've seen a lot of these string eater comments around...
Your vibration meter method is clearly not working correctly. Both the 9.43 and 11.23 numbers were hit while you drew the bow. You need to have someone reset it after you've drawn the bow, especially with these bows that have a big hump to get over. Otherwise thanks for your great reviews!
Does the new bowtech still have the comfort and performance settings on the cam
After listening to him I was wondering the same thing.
It does
I always wonder how my bowtech prodigy stacks up against these new bows
Very low reflex relative to the brace height. Most "speed" bows have 2" or more reflex. That should have very good forgiveness relative to the speed.
Obsession.....???
That cycle looks rough
Release failure?
Too bad you have to put these bow in performance to have same speeds as competitors do. I have a Carbon One and in comfort mode it’s the same speed as my V3x 33 at 65 pounds… in performance it matches speed of my Mathews at 70#, but with a very worse draw cycle 🤷🏻♂️
Bowtech is the only one offering a military discount
This bow is sweet I’m really thinking about bow tech for 2024 I’m usually a Mathews guy
I was really praying that Mathews had something a bit better than a lightened up phase 4 not much has really changed. If they came out with a 34 or even a 35 lift or a better way to shim the cams. Now you need new fingers for the press and new switch weight mods I may have considered it. But bowtech and all the adjustability it offers. If I'm gonna get a 33 ata I'm going with the core sr. Won't be long before other sights offer the core lock system.
Someone else commented already but your vibration numbers are way off! Your going off of the draw stop vibration.
Can someone please tell MFJJ that 1/4” of DL is not 3-4 fps, just as 1/2” isn’t 8 fps. He’s miles off!
Fire your editor 😂😂
Unless Bowtech already has other sight manufacturers onboard with their special rail design, it's a really stupid decision to incorporate.
Not saying anything against how you test things but why is it that there is such a difference between what the company puts on for its speed to what you get in a real world situation with the same weight arrow and the same draw length and same poundage why is that such a hard thing to do what are they doing differently that gives them such a high number that they publish That's just the most confusing thing to me ever whereas it doesn't really matter because nobody's going to be really shooting at that speed but I know it's like a selling point help me to understand
Standards they have and deviations with equipment they can push and be in standard as well as things on strings, like peep, d loop, dampeners are all removed. As well as speed nocks and even some use less string count for testing because they are allowed to per spec. A lot that goes into it but most manufacturers are over rated for their ibo speed
The companies are giving IBO Max speeds with nothing on the string. It irritates the heck out of my that MJFF keeps saying IBO and doesn't explain anything. IBO speed is 80# +/- 2# draw weight, 5 grains per pound arrow weight, and no max draw length! Using IBO a company cant test a the speed of a bow with an 82# draw, 33" draw length, and 400 grain arrow then market that speed. ATA arrow speed is what MFJJ is doing with his 350 grain arrow speed test. ATA is 30"+1/4" draw, 70# +/- 0.2#, 5 gr/# arrow. This is why there is a speed discrepancy. If all the bow companies were required to us ATA then this confusion wouldn't exist.
It's why they claim speeds up too. When they post Ibo. Ata is more common folk numbers. But I was praying for a 34 ata with all the extras. But got slapped with another 33. The ss34 was a big hit last year. And they could have done a Mathews thing. Rebranded the bow with a different name and added the extra tech onto it.
Super sad picatinny is not going to become the standard sight system. Bowtech will lose a lot of sales to guys who already have a $500 Spot Hogg or HHA setup that is picatinny.
They won't lose much. Just like with Matthews co.panies start make adapters for the sights so I don't see it big a big deal.
It will be interesting to see how much the other sight manufacturers chase Bowtech. It makes sense they all chased Mathews bridgelock, as Mathew outsells Bowtech exponentially. Not sure if Spot Hogg, HHA, Axcel, etc will rush to make this fit. @@davemartin660
Umm no! I’m a 26 inch draw and Bowtechs in performance still gave that hump at the back of the draw cycle. Let’s be honest here!!
😂funny guy, I shoot five different bows throughout the year and now that it bow drop season it’s going to probably be 6-7 different bows 😂😂😂
Stop calling ATA speed IBO, and I will be happy. You are testing the ATA speed of these bows by backing them down to shoot a 350 grain arrow. Your audience deserves to know that. ATA Speed is 30" +1/4"draw, 70# +/- 0.2 , and 5 gr/# arrow. IBO is quite different hence the speed disparity we normally see. IBO speed is 80# +/- 2# draw weight, 5 grains per pound arrow weight, and no max draw length!
chill bro you know what he means when he says IBO. it’s not that deep dawg
80 or 70, it will shoot the same speed with the proper weight arrow.
So why does it matter?
A 344 bow that draws like that?! 🤣🤣🔥🗑️
I smell patent infringements…
Feet PER second, FPS, not feet A second. 🙄