An article I found said Isidor and Ida were last seen on deck holding hands before a wave swept them into the sea. Ida’s body was never discovered; Isidor’s body was recovered by the Mackay-Bennett and buried in New York’s Woodlawn Cemetery. 😢
Yes that’s what I read in several online articles and a couple of books too .. James Cameron got it incorrect showing the Straus’s in their parlor suite preparing to die in the film. John Jacob Astor’s body was recovered as well and I think Benjamin Guggenheim was too I think
You have a very basic knowledge - nearly all the passenger survivors said the ship broke in two, it was the surviving crew members who said that it didn’t. Possibly under duress as that would frighten the public away from White Star Line ships. The lights were on until just before it split in two. While the dome of the grand staircase didn’t have artificial light, the window lights inside had artificial lighting. I could go on…
@@leandrotami But at least there everyone survived. The Sewol ferry sinking was much worse. Captain and crew drunk beer, instructed the passengers to stay in their cabins, most of them school kids, then abandoned ship while most of the passengers died inside. The ship sunk in 2 and a half hours, very similar to the titanic.
Cpt. Smith's death in the 1997 movie I do believe is accurate and there's other debates about Cpt. Smith's death. One is by him committing suicide by using his revolver, another is him being killed by the 1st funnel collapsing, and one where he was carrying a baby to a nearby lifeboat then was lost in the ocean.
There were reports by one of the officers that Smith was last seen with Andrews on the bridge, they both either jumped or were swept off the ship. I tend to think it was the latter. It was John Jacob Astor that was crushed by a funnel.
The promenade they had to make bigger so that they could fit the actors, cameras and film crew in. I'm not really concerned about that or the lighting. We wouldn't have been able to see anything. They had to make the grand staircase bigger because they could only fit one actor at a time, same with the corridors. Very narrow that you couldn't walk side by side. They needed to scale things up a bit.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY well it’s mostly believed he jumped overboard, as a man with a white/grey beard in an officers uniform was spotted on the port side, jumping / floating off. however i recently found out i was wrong about the thomas andrews part, as he was indeed last seen in the smoking room
Cameron didn't really take that many liberties with the music during the sinking - the music is all "cheerful" music taken directly from White Star Line's Song Book. The only real liberty he took was with "Nearer My God To Thee", being that in reality if the hymn was truly the last song played the band... they more than likely played the british version of it. Cameron took liberties because the American version is more widely recognised.
there are at least two videos of Titanic survivors assuring that they played Nearer my God to Thee, as seen in the movie. That particular thing was not because Cameron felt creative
the new 3D scans of the titanic a few months ago reveal that the side cuts are not as they think they ought to be. A new theory is that it rode over the berg below the water line and so the gouges are in the keel not the side plates
10:15 officer Murdoch is seen in the final role call at the end scene when Rose enters the Grand Staircase room to meet Jack. Murdoch is among the righteous passengers, Capt Smith, Fabrizio, young Cora, and Mr.Andrews, and others.
Not so. A stoker in boiler room 6 said water shot in through a gap which opened 2 feet above the floor of the boiler room. The keel was several feet below this
3D scans? LOL. FFS man, the people in the boiler room reported water entering the ship through the wall above the floor. Are we to believe that grown adults don't know the difference between a wall and a floor? 😂 The ship was pierced in its side.
@@blackpanda7612 I don't think the gash was one continuous one but individual gashes like morse code. But we might never know as the iceberg damage is buried under feet of sediment.
Very slight nitpick: it has never been naval custom, nor generally naval protocol (though it’s often quoted as such) for the Captain of a vessel to “go down with their ship”. It’s that the Captain is responsible for the safety of everybody on board, so he should be the last to leave the vessel once everybody else is off. Hence why the Captain of the Costa Concordia was so roundly (and rightly) criticised: he should have made sure everyone else was off the ship, then saw to his own safety. As he didn’t do that, he broke one of the basic principles of being the Master of a vessel. Of course; in a situation like the sinking of the Titanic, where not all the passengers and crew were able to get off the ship even if they wanted to, it’s essentially the same thing, but it is; while subtle, a difference.
We do know that Isidor and Ida Strauss weren’t in their cabin during the sinking because Isidor’s body was recovered by the Mackay Bennett although Ida’s wasn’t. They were out on deck sitting on chairs during the final moments .
@@douglasgriffiths3534they didn’t die inside the ship though. They were outside on the deck sitting in chairs when the first plunge happened and they were swept off . Ida may have been killed by a funnel or sucked down by suction which is why she wasn’t found .
They did get the famous lifeboat argument between both Molly Brown with Quarter Master Hitchens with regards to the refusal of going back to get more passengers out of the water from site that the titanic sank.
All the info in this video has been public knowledge for years. No idea why this video even exists as you can find the info and more not discussed in this video by a simple google search ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You're not telling anyone anything new that's got an even mild interest in the sinking of this ship.
You seem to be newly informed with basic info we all know, like for Ida and Isidor Straus.. you don't know basic knowledge about this ship but keep milking the topic since titan incident..
Also, how could the movie be about the 'J. Dawson' on board the Titanic when Jack wasn't on the manifest--the ticket wasn't in his name, it was under a 'Sven.' So the real person whose ticket was taken should be named 'Sven' on the manifest.
The electricity in 1912 was totally different from 1997.....Titanic was not so bright when she sinks....i think out of the ship all was totally black....but not so bright even inside.....and when the second part of the ship start sinks was a very scary situation because for some minutes the passengers stay in the totally darkness leasing only the noices from the ship and feel their death coming.....and after in freezing dark water of the ocean was freaking scary for all....
There's no way that illustration at 2:56 is correct, if they were saying that the deck railings were scraping against ice and ice was falling onto the deck. They hit a pretty tall iceberg...
I have an odd question. What would have happen to the air bubble from the implosion?. How long would it take to reach the surface or is there not any leftover air in an implosion like that?
and they didn't deliberately lock third class down there either. I wish they'd depict at least one adaption where they didn't do that. It was just there to play up the drama. In real life the crew told people to go back down to third class, there wasn't any danger. By the time most of them got up to the boat deck most of the lifeboats were gone. It was a combination of language barriers and confusion that led so many third class passengers to die. They were further away from the boat deck.
You think someone is going to go barging into their room, see them cuddle in a pool of water and then report that to authorities after the sinking 😂. Of fucking course the bed scene is not true. They were last spotted alive up on deck holding hands and reporteldy got washed away by a wave.
They used the wrong rivets where the iceberg hit. They used iron #3 instead of steel like the rest of the titanic. Someone ordered the wrong rivets.. if they would have ordered #4 iron rivets the titanic wouldn’t have gotten that damaged.
Smith could've survive the sinking if he got into one of the launched lifeboats or collapsible after he declared every man for themselves. Not every Captain needs to go with their ship - that's a stereotype - along as they are able to ensure rescue and did his duty as a Captain to evacuate everyone he can. Smith did his duty - Carpathia was on her way, he ordered his women and children, and relieved his men of duty to ensure their survival. It was every men for himself, the women and children policy didn't apply anymore once Smith declared every man for themselves. As whoever wanted to be in the collapsible boats, including men, they are welcome. The latest info we have of the last sighting of Smith and Andrews, they were last seen by the port bridge wing as they jumped. It's no longer the wheelhouse or the First-Class smoking room.
I mean the hot the walls right the room was just way smaller! And I hate how there was 1st 2nd and 3rd class like just ridiculous I get not being allowed in the 1st class dinning room and rooms but come on let them walk around the whole ship just found that so absurd and just wrong we’re all equal and money doesn’t mean shit doesn’t make you a better person then a normal person sorry to tell you
People think Thomas Andrews designed the ship, but that is not true. Alexandar Carlie designed the ship, but quit after a disagreement over the number of lifeboats. By the time Thomas Andrews was hired, Titanic was already designed
Also James Cameron based the movie titanic off the images from Tim Marshall book called ghost ships And they did a reconstruction model of the titanic split in two in different angles from the National Geographic Channel The heart ❤️ of the ocean is a cursed diamond or known as the hope diamond There’s another book called 8881/5 titanic facts about the titanic both fact vs fiction There’s a conspiracy theory saying that the titanic hit the iceberg from the bottom not the side There saying that captain smith saved a child from drowning another conspiracy theory Shalom dove 🕊️ of peace ☮️
Parks Stephenson is responsible for the theory that Titanic grounded on the iceberg and it's only come about since the 3D scans became available. He's a knowledgeable Titanic historian and has debunked a number of the other conspiracy theories. He has not made any concrete claims, but has observed that damage sustained is not visible on the wreck.
An article I found said Isidor and Ida were last seen on deck holding hands before a wave swept them into the sea. Ida’s body was never discovered; Isidor’s body was recovered by the Mackay-Bennett and buried in New York’s Woodlawn Cemetery. 😢
Yes that’s what I read in several online articles and a couple of books too .. James Cameron got it incorrect showing the Straus’s in their parlor suite preparing to die in the film. John Jacob Astor’s body was recovered as well and I think Benjamin Guggenheim was too I think
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You have a very basic knowledge - nearly all the passenger survivors said the ship broke in two, it was the surviving crew members who said that it didn’t. Possibly under duress as that would frighten the public away from White Star Line ships. The lights were on until just before it split in two. While the dome of the grand staircase didn’t have artificial light, the window lights inside had artificial lighting. I could go on…
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"it was standard protocol for the captain"
Schettino after the Concordia begins to sink: "Let me introduce myself"
Even worse in the case of the Oceanos. The crew left the people on board to sort it out themselves
@@leandrotami But at least there everyone survived. The Sewol ferry sinking was much worse. Captain and crew drunk beer, instructed the passengers to stay in their cabins, most of them school kids, then abandoned ship while most of the passengers died inside. The ship sunk in 2 and a half hours, very similar to the titanic.
Cpt. Smith's death in the 1997 movie I do believe is accurate and there's other debates about Cpt. Smith's death. One is by him committing suicide by using his revolver, another is him being killed by the 1st funnel collapsing, and one where he was carrying a baby to a nearby lifeboat then was lost in the ocean.
There were reports by one of the officers that Smith was last seen with Andrews on the bridge, they both either jumped or were swept off the ship. I tend to think it was the latter. It was John Jacob Astor that was crushed by a funnel.
The promenade they had to make bigger so that they could fit the actors, cameras and film crew in. I'm not really concerned about that or the lighting. We wouldn't have been able to see anything. They had to make the grand staircase bigger because they could only fit one actor at a time, same with the corridors. Very narrow that you couldn't walk side by side. They needed to scale things up a bit.
btw, the captain didnt die in the wheel room, he was last seen jumping over the port bridge wing with thomas andrews
finally someone spitting facts here
No one really knows for sure what it really was.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY well it’s mostly believed he jumped overboard, as a man with a white/grey beard in an officers uniform was spotted on the port side, jumping / floating off. however i recently found out i was wrong about the thomas andrews part, as he was indeed last seen in the smoking room
James Cameron tried to make his movie historically accurate as possible
yes indeed. the set itself was only about 100 foot shorter than what the actual ship was.
Cameron didn't really take that many liberties with the music during the sinking - the music is all "cheerful" music taken directly from White Star Line's Song Book. The only real liberty he took was with "Nearer My God To Thee", being that in reality if the hymn was truly the last song played the band... they more than likely played the british version of it.
Cameron took liberties because the American version is more widely recognised.
I noticed how in the movie the dome is a circle like the aft grand staircase but irl the main staircase dome was shaped like an oval
I wonder why James Cameron left out that the California was miles away or other ships when the titanic was in distress
There is a deleted scene that shows the Californian, but the scene was cut from the final film likely to shorten the runtime.
there are at least two videos of Titanic survivors assuring that they played Nearer my God to Thee, as seen in the movie. That particular thing was not because Cameron felt creative
J Dawson is Joesph Dawson who worked in the engine room
I agree with you - Murdoch is one of my favorite characters from the movie
Pitty that Cameron left the whole Californian ship part out. That ship was nearby and actually saw the flares but failed to come to the rescue
Nearer my god to thee was the final song. The dome actually was fitted with lighting.
the new 3D scans of the titanic a few months ago reveal that the side cuts are not as they think they ought to be. A new theory is that it rode over the berg below the water line and so the gouges are in the keel not the side plates
10:15 officer Murdoch is seen in the final role call at the end scene when Rose enters the Grand Staircase room to meet Jack. Murdoch is among the righteous passengers, Capt Smith, Fabrizio, young Cora, and Mr.Andrews, and others.
Not so. A stoker in boiler room 6 said water shot in through a gap which opened 2 feet above the floor of the boiler room. The keel was several feet below this
3D scans? LOL. FFS man, the people in the boiler room reported water entering the ship through the wall above the floor. Are we to believe that grown adults don't know the difference between a wall and a floor? 😂 The ship was pierced in its side.
@@blackpanda7612 I don't think the gash was one continuous one but individual gashes like morse code. But we might never know as the iceberg damage is buried under feet of sediment.
Very slight nitpick: it has never been naval custom, nor generally naval protocol (though it’s often quoted as such) for the Captain of a vessel to “go down with their ship”.
It’s that the Captain is responsible for the safety of everybody on board, so he should be the last to leave the vessel once everybody else is off.
Hence why the Captain of the Costa Concordia was so roundly (and rightly) criticised: he should have made sure everyone else was off the ship, then saw to his own safety. As he didn’t do that, he broke one of the basic principles of being the Master of a vessel.
Of course; in a situation like the sinking of the Titanic, where not all the passengers and crew were able to get off the ship even if they wanted to, it’s essentially the same thing, but it is; while subtle, a difference.
Full movie review when?? Also can you put link of your article/source in the description please
Everyday I get home from work you have a new video up and I usually can’t wait to watch it
We do know that Isidor and Ida Strauss weren’t in their cabin during the sinking because Isidor’s body was recovered by the Mackay Bennett although Ida’s wasn’t. They were out on deck sitting on chairs during the final moments .
I HIGHLY recommend you read On A Sea Of Glass
James Cameron did it good. And the elderly couple were the Straus. And they found him but not her in the water.
Which is strange if they died together...
@@mattt233 Her body may have sunk, his remained afloat. And separated by currents. (Jan Griffiths).
@@douglasgriffiths3534they didn’t die inside the ship though. They were outside on the deck sitting in chairs when the first plunge happened and they were swept off . Ida may have been killed by a funnel or sucked down by suction which is why she wasn’t found .
Straus, not Strauß.. There's no "Strauss" so the eszett isn't used. You don't know your German.
@@SStupendous I still know my german better than you. And you know why? Because I‘m German!
There's a third photo, the Rehorek iceberg, which matches the eyewitness testimomy descriptions. Cameron based his off that one.
They did get the famous lifeboat argument between both Molly Brown with Quarter Master Hitchens with regards to the refusal of going back to get more passengers out of the water from site that the titanic sank.
The elderly couple, isnt Stocktons wife related to one of them?
Yes, she is the great granddaughter of the Strauss couple that owned Macy's department store.
All the info in this video has been public knowledge for years. No idea why this video even exists as you can find the info and more not discussed in this video by a simple google search ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're not telling anyone anything new that's got an even mild interest in the sinking of this ship.
There was also a story about Captain Smith in the water handing a baby to someone at one of the collapsible boats then swimming away.
Murdoch may not have shot himself. Cameron apologized to his family for that scene
He was most likely swept away after helping with collapsible on top of the officers' quarters.
It hit an iceberg ✅
You seem to be newly informed with basic info we all know, like for Ida and Isidor Straus.. you don't know basic knowledge about this ship but keep milking the topic since titan incident..
Also, how could the movie be about the 'J. Dawson' on board the Titanic when Jack wasn't on the manifest--the ticket wasn't in his name, it was under a 'Sven.' So the real person whose ticket was taken should be named 'Sven' on the manifest.
sven is probably also a fictional character
The electricity in 1912 was totally different from 1997.....Titanic was not so bright when she sinks....i think out of the ship all was totally black....but not so bright even inside.....and when the second part of the ship start sinks was a very scary situation because for some minutes the passengers stay in the totally darkness leasing only the noices from the ship and feel their death coming.....and after in freezing dark water of the ocean was freaking scary for all....
There are conflicting reports of where Captain Smith was last seen alive
the lighting is too bright in the movie. It was pitched dark that night as their was no moon
That's why It's called a 'movie' ?! 😂
It was purposely lit up, so you could see what was going on. To get a good, detailed image of what happened as she sank.
Great video, very insightful 👍👍
New Titanic video dropped
Take her to sea lads ⚓️🚢
I liked the video, thanks. I’ve never seen the icebergs
There's no way that illustration at 2:56 is correct, if they were saying that the deck railings were scraping against ice and ice was falling onto the deck. They hit a pretty tall iceberg...
I thought it was quite clear which iceberg was the one, I mean, it had scratches of black paint on it!
@@leandrotami Quite clear from grainy 1912 photos? Also the paint below Titanic's waterline is red
I have an odd question. What would have happen to the air bubble from the implosion?. How long would it take to reach the surface or is there not any leftover air in an implosion like that?
Not all gates were locked in Third Class.
and they didn't deliberately lock third class down there either. I wish they'd depict at least one adaption where they didn't do that. It was just there to play up the drama. In real life the crew told people to go back down to third class, there wasn't any danger. By the time most of them got up to the boat deck most of the lifeboats were gone. It was a combination of language barriers and confusion that led so many third class passengers to die. They were further away from the boat deck.
It's true Isa & Isador Strous refused a seat on the lifeboat, but we don't know if the scene in bed is true
You think someone is going to go barging into their room, see them cuddle in a pool of water and then report that to authorities after the sinking 😂. Of fucking course the bed scene is not true. They were last spotted alive up on deck holding hands and reporteldy got washed away by a wave.
@@blackpanda7612 They were both sitting on deck chairs. I think Gugenheim did the same.
lol! they had a emergency light button to turn on all the lights. 🤣🤣
They used the wrong rivets where the iceberg hit. They used iron #3 instead of steel like the rest of the titanic. Someone ordered the wrong rivets.. if they would have ordered #4 iron rivets the titanic wouldn’t have gotten that damaged.
Responsibility lies on the captain. The Oceanic did fine, and so the Brittanic until it was struck by a mine
What about the Irish that sunk two years later, but in the Lawrence River
The Strausses are totally wrong, because they found his body... so they or at least he did not go down with the ship.
They got alot of things right
The picture of the iceberg is the one which had some red paint on it so it was the confirmed one.
Smith could've survive the sinking if he got into one of the launched lifeboats or collapsible after he declared every man for themselves. Not every Captain needs to go with their ship - that's a stereotype - along as they are able to ensure rescue and did his duty as a Captain to evacuate everyone he can. Smith did his duty - Carpathia was on her way, he ordered his women and children, and relieved his men of duty to ensure their survival. It was every men for himself, the women and children policy didn't apply anymore once Smith declared every man for themselves. As whoever wanted to be in the collapsible boats, including men, they are welcome.
The latest info we have of the last sighting of Smith and Andrews, they were last seen by the port bridge wing as they jumped. It's no longer the wheelhouse or the First-Class smoking room.
Isadore and ida were together
The dome over the grand staircase was oval and not circular.
That’s P R O M E N A D E, NOT P R O N E M A D E
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so the choices are to be dead or be viewed as a coward
Ppl nowadays choose cowards everyday … do u know Shakespeare? A coward dies a 1000x
I mean the hot the walls right the room was just way smaller! And I hate how there was 1st 2nd and 3rd class like just ridiculous I get not being allowed in the 1st class dinning room and rooms but come on let them walk around the whole ship just found that so absurd and just wrong we’re all equal and money doesn’t mean shit doesn’t make you a better person then a normal person sorry to tell you
This dude really needs to learn how to say Promenade.
hi
She did break in half.
Just hardly anyone believed it until she was finally found.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY Only because they were too dumb.
People think Thomas Andrews designed the ship, but that is not true. Alexandar Carlie designed the ship, but quit after a disagreement over the number of lifeboats. By the time Thomas Andrews was hired, Titanic was already designed
Guess they didn't know that viruses and bacteria spread through the air LOL
I have a stupid question. Are you a Glock 9?
this is true
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Also James Cameron based the movie titanic off the images from Tim Marshall book called ghost ships
And they did a reconstruction model of the titanic split in two in different angles from the National Geographic Channel
The heart ❤️ of the ocean is a cursed diamond or known as the hope diamond
There’s another book called 8881/5 titanic facts about the titanic both fact vs fiction
There’s a conspiracy theory saying that the titanic hit the iceberg from the bottom not the side
There saying that captain smith saved a child from drowning another conspiracy theory
Shalom dove 🕊️ of peace ☮️
Parks Stephenson is responsible for the theory that Titanic grounded on the iceberg and it's only come about since the 3D scans became available.
He's a knowledgeable Titanic historian and has debunked a number of the other conspiracy theories. He has not made any concrete claims, but has observed that damage sustained is not visible on the wreck.
I think you mean he based the images in Titanic off the paintings by Titanic Artist and Historian Ken Marschall.
"Things the titanic movie got wrong... the ship never sank"
The ship did so sink.
Isador Straus body was recovered so I imagine they were on deck. But still a true story.