Pat Tate wasn't even widely known around Essex, let alone being a top face in London. I doubt Shaw even knew who he was if he did indeed chin him, but I'm sure this never happened. Just another bit of mythologising of the Essex Boys legend, which is more hype than reality. Tucker was known to have shit himself when confronted by other doormen and Rolfe was a blade merchant living in the shadow of the other two. Three bullies off their tits on gear and pills every day thinking they were Gods. They weren't. I'm still intrigued by Billy Blundell's involvement, but let's face it, there was a queue to ice those three that stretched all the way to the Continent. You reap what you sow.
can’t recall that myself but i’ll have a double-check . Woolard DID say that Shaw was an awesome street fighter until he was on the grog , then anyone could have had him , and Roy knew it , his weakness was the drink , that’s why he got done by those doormen later in life . As Bartley Gormans main mentor Will Braddock warned him “they’ll come for you when you’re drunk ‘owd lad” @@enquirer2.0
Oh course Tate was a known face when he was on the run he was with Spain with Eddie Blundle the secret express robbery lot and all the villains that were over there at the time ...
Different level of hard men here.. shaw was a beast from the old school days where there were a lot more hard men around and a fighting record were all aware of.. Tate was a roided up drug dealer/bouncer with no fighting record to compare to a legend like shaw
Can I just interject here. Because everyone over looks the fact that the wealdstone raider and Ronnie Pickering actually snapped Roy's jaw and they did pat on Southend pier then just walked off and scoffed hot sugar doughnuts. And got the train back to the smoke
I remember that, I heard after they did Roy in they took his air conditioning, Roy was just coming to in as they were walking out the door, the wealdstone raider turned round and said "you've got no fans"
There may actually be an element of truth to this.Danny Wollard was invested in a canabis grow and Tate and Tucker tried to tax the growers who where backed by Wollard and his associates.Apparently one of Danny Wollard,s associates warned Tate and left him with a broken jaw after a scuffle.I believe Wollard,s associate was Roy Shaw who was no push over TATE may have been strong but Roy wasn't to be messed with or underestimated.
@@user-gi7em3sk2mpaul sykes would of hurt him bad wouldn't of been a fight just a bad beating but a real hardman who had a proper reputation is Gary spiers digger look him up
@@yabbadondadda It's a known fact that Sykes dealt with Shaw twice whilst they were both locked up and Shaw admitted this himself before his death. Both fights were over very quickly which shows how hard Sykes actually was at one point to have dealt with a man like Shaw without even breaking a sweat!
I read an article about Roy Shaw in the early 00s it was all about his life and him visiting Ronnie Biggs in Brazil , in the article Roy who was around 65 at this stage said he didn’t get into fights anymore but said he had got into one not long ago where he knocked out some young guy in a night club who was giving him lip but that would have been after Tates murder I was amazed how a guy in his 60s could still dish it out to a bloke years younger than him ..
A fighting man of 60 would have no problem with some pissed up gobshite, half his age. You can either fight, or you can't & most pissed up gobshites, can't!
@@StuartAnderson-xl4bo not always on the cobbles bare knuckle. Roy was one of the few who would face him in the ring. Also Roy eats brandy glasses as a party trick n chews the glass... fact.
Hard to believe anything Woollard says because it’s been proved he’s lied in his books before just to get at people. I’m glad you said Mahoney was just an associate because he’s made a living telling lies about the Essex Boys and what happened on workhouse Lane that fateful night of December 6th 1995. He claims to be a founding member which is absolute bullshit. He was employed at Raquels nightclub as a doorman and wasn’t a very good one because he’d run when it kicked off. I’ve seen him do it. Jack Whomes and Mickey Steele did NOT kill them. They were clearly set up
Interesting Video mate. Nice one. I could ask Roy's Son Gary , or his daughter Chettina as speak to them occasionally. Although I've got a feeling this might remain a mystery. 🥊👊
Cheers Matt just found it it was in danny woollards book wild cats he says Roy broke his jaw.asked tel he said it did happen .who knows bit good story 😂😂
Matt, it never happened. I know the doorman who did spark him, a guy called mick McCarthy a doorman from Southend. He was subsequently shot in the head in a Basildon cafe. I’m getting a lot of grief regarding my vid on shaw. His daughter should confirm it happened as she became friendly with myself and Lee afterwards. Even Gary was allowed in to Hollywood after the fight.
@@michaelkelly3638 Micheal a man that knows the truth mick McCarthy did attack pat macCarthy was actually with draper if I remember rightly,just to say you no your facts my friend 👍🏻
Pat did get his jaw broken by someone i remember him talking about, he was born in 1958 same age as me I use to hang around with him in my 20s he was car dealer in them days he was a bloody good laugh even went to his wedding he married Donna
@@KarlForster-du5li no mate by then I lost contact with him last time I saw him was when he escaped from court room stayed at my place then he went to Gibraltar
Yes I knew him well then also .. Donna was lovely and had a sister called Julie .. twin I think .. pat was a cool bloke back then and just wheeled and sealed .. if you needed insurance papers for old bill .. ya see pat .. same with mots .. really helped me out back then ... he just got into a different life and consumed him I beleive ..
@@BigBillKelly-x2z Who told you he was in the Adams family. Yammy? He was talking so fast the other day, he mentioned the Adams and then Hunt, but Hunt ran his own canning town firm. The Adams were from North London. Hunt wasn't in the Adams/
DH was never connected to the A team . He ran his own organisation originally based in Canning Town and was at least the equal , in power and influence, of the Adams . An ultra serious hard case , allegedly never been beat in a one to one fight and also a respected pigeon breeder and racer . I doubt Tate would have ever dreamed of tangling with DH , he would have known all about him and kept well clear .
@@enquirer2.0 he might of had his jaw broken more then once i think nipper ellis also said pat had his jaw broken outside a put on a pos cast he did on UA-cam
Interesting account no doubt, thanks for this very thought provoking and if you find out any more let us know, as anything about these two guys is worth knowing.
I see a Danny Wollard docu he said pat and Tony stepped to a door at a club he was in and they're said there taking over and the door but it come on top and pat got chinned and they're left so not sure if this is that occasion
@@samnicklin-vy5dz mick McCarthy that was my friend but he didn’t break pats jaw,draper was there helping him that night,2men on Patrick tate and they still struggled
There was a documentary I saw on YT about Gangsters in Essex, (Mainly based around the Blundells and the Essex boys) but it featured Danny Woollard from the east end and the narrator tells the story of a weed farm that Danny had a stake in being disturbed by tate and tucker, and the words are "Woollards associates left Tate with a broken jaw" before it goes on about the other multiple warnings these guys received from the old school
Worked under Roy Epping club " la Taverna" - " Billy Jeans" 80s - 90s. He deffo would done Tate, but I knew Lee Chapman, absolute gent of guy gym Braintree. Monster could push x7 plates 20kg each side in day, had mega reach. Am ex Army- trained South Africa- USA- Russia-Poland never seen guys like back then esp Lee C in UK. Tate was sadly druggie. So Roy beat him but Lee Chapman would spanked both. What is presented on msm+ from politicians 100% diff to street reality. Control- image- ego- politics works in. Most professional boxers etc are s hite in essence best fighters can't get licences due to criminal records. Knew 2 ppl my old Scots reg put Nigel Benn on floor when he was in Army, they were in that category.
@@enquirer2.0 the problem with liars is they need great Memories. He followed that up on UA-cam by saying they had a word with tucker and Tate in Epping country club. And another thing, Woodard would never step out of line in Davy hunts club. They all wrote books in the 80/90’s and assumed they couldn’t be checked, then lo and behold, social media brought about the fact finders. Pat was knocked out by a traveller doorman called mick McCarthy
@@stephencrozier396 yes, a few times but only at Boxing events in repton. His brother Steve I knew well. His son Oliver and my boy Sean were buddies in primary school. Steve I liked a lot. It’s in part two Q&A that’s up this weekend
I was there when it happened. I was walking past when I saw the two men fighting. The smaller man was getting the better of the tall man. Thankfully I am trained in karate so I stepped in to break up the brawl. I spoke to both to calm them down and they went on their way.
Crime scene to court room on YT mentions pat tate having his jaw broken in a pub. They didn’t say who done it tho, if I remember rightly it was done by a well known face.
I don’t believe this to be accurate due to the date/ age difference. Don’t get me wrong I know a lot of older fellas of who can still have a scrap but Roy against a fit Pat ????
Woolard on his own would of dealt with pat at the time, think of it like this.. Shaw, a 55yo ex bareknuckle and unlicensed champion/armed robber certified insane who's still trains most days of the week against a 35yo bodybuilder/drugdealer and user who only bashes up people weaker then him unless he's got a gun. Roy all day long 💯
If you land a good first punch it don't matter how young and fit the other guy is he's going down Roy was a trained experienced fighter Tate was a pumped up bully nobody had probably had the bottle to hit him before, he wouldn't have been expecting it and would have been stunned and surprised. Doesn't matter how big your muscles are a punch full on the jaw from someone like Roy Shaw ain't something you can ride
He escaped from Billericay Magistrates Court. He didn't chin any security guard. He ran out with a copper hanging around his neck and managed to throw him off. I knew the copper.
Jesus I thought this may be a decent Channel When u can’t even get the year of the murders right it’s down hill from here And another …. Jack Werner’s brother who the fuck is jack Werner
I thought when Danny Wollard mentioned it he was talking about Bill the Bomb or Gluckstead that was more people he knew I’m not sure, there is a few out there that exaggerate or get genuinely muddled up about who and when. I read a few accounts that man that got the better of Tate outside a gym in a straight fight was a man called Mick Mcarthy.
And now even Roy Shaw’s son is peddling a book. Surely the gravy train is full now, all these individuals trying to make a fast buck of these daft stories. Can’t wait for Roy Shaw’s postman to do his version of “delivering mail to Britains hardest gangster” etc etc..
I knew Roy Shaw from my days drinking in the Royal Oak on a Friday night in Loughton. The man was a gentleman but when it comes to violence Roy was in a league of his own. Roy Shaws eyes were enough to terrify most people.
Early that same year we saw Tucker escort Nigel Benn to the ring for his fight with McClennan. At the time not many of us would have known who Tucker was. It was years later before I knew.
Wtf is this guy on about. He says Shaw got out of jail when he was 40, then in the next breath he got out when he was 24. None of what he's saying makes sense
What I want to know is, where is Jason Draper these days? What became of him? Also, a guy related to "The Long Fella" called Dave Davis (not the politician). He was featured in the Hard Bastards 2 book.
Part 2: I read the section from Danny Woollards book who says it true ua-cam.com/video/1ycxrCq9Jag/v-deo.html
know some great stories and we can trust them as ive heard your father was high up amongst the chaps
The only thing Pat Tate would have been doing in 1998 is haunting people.
I had the imagine of a ghost floating around calling people a Cunt :)
All the dates in this video are wrong. A whole lot of nothing 🙈
the worst vid ive watched on this channel @@thebiggerbodycoach6557
And shaw was put in broadmoor not dartmoor 🙈🙈🙈
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 haha buckled.
Roy all day long
How old would Shaw have been at the time?
Pat Tate wasn't even widely known around Essex, let alone being a top face in London. I doubt Shaw even knew who he was if he did indeed chin him, but I'm sure this never happened. Just another bit of mythologising of the Essex Boys legend, which is more hype than reality. Tucker was known to have shit himself when confronted by other doormen and Rolfe was a blade merchant living in the shadow of the other two. Three bullies off their tits on gear and pills every day thinking they were Gods. They weren't. I'm still intrigued by Billy Blundell's involvement, but let's face it, there was a queue to ice those three that stretched all the way to the Continent. You reap what you sow.
One of my subs just flagged the book apparently danny woollard said it happened in his book
can’t recall that myself but i’ll have a double-check . Woolard DID say that Shaw was an awesome street fighter until he was on the grog , then anyone could have had him , and Roy knew it , his weakness was the drink , that’s why he got done by those doormen later in life . As Bartley Gormans main mentor Will Braddock warned him “they’ll come for you when you’re drunk ‘owd lad” @@enquirer2.0
@@garysimpson3592yea over some puff.
Oh course Tate was a known face when he was on the run he was with Spain with Eddie Blundle the secret express robbery lot and all the villains that were over there at the time ...
Tate tucker rolfe were killed 95...
Love Roy Rest In Peace legend❤
You knew him?
Pat Tate had his jaw broken but it wasn't Roy who did it, even though Roy was more than capable
Different level of hard men here.. shaw was a beast from the old school days where there were a lot more hard men around and a fighting record were all aware of.. Tate was a roided up drug dealer/bouncer with no fighting record to compare to a legend like shaw
Just a bully looks good but that's it if he could take advantage he would otherwise he wasn't sat on top table
Can I just interject here. Because everyone over looks the fact that the wealdstone raider and Ronnie Pickering actually snapped Roy's jaw and they did pat on Southend pier then just walked off and scoffed hot sugar doughnuts. And got the train back to the smoke
😂😂😂
I remember that, I heard after they did Roy in they took his air conditioning, Roy was just coming to in as they were walking out the door, the wealdstone raider turned round and said "you've got no fans"
Who?
Ronnie Pickering
😂😂😂😂 Cheers that made me laugh
I seriously hope it happened because we know tate was an absolute horrible human ....
He was a bully mate more so when Tucker was a round Tate.
I was actually working in the bar the night Roy did this. I'll put this story straight once and for all...
What was the bar called and what was the date 🤔
There may actually be an element of truth to this.Danny Wollard was invested in a canabis grow and Tate and Tucker tried to tax the growers who where backed by Wollard and his associates.Apparently one of Danny Wollard,s associates warned Tate and left him with a broken jaw after a scuffle.I believe Wollard,s associate was Roy Shaw who was no push over TATE may have been strong but Roy wasn't to be messed with or underestimated.
There was quite a few Canning Town geezers that was very capable of doing something like that. Roy Shaw and Woolard wasn’t really friends.
It was usually all resin then
Canning Town is a very notorious place for proper hard villans I believe that’s where the underworld villans starts from
@@psychm4787 Well it’s typical tough area people dirt poor too it was a big boxing area too
@@Leo-dr4qmwas more common then resin was but been growers at it years...just lot more prevalent now
I don't know if this was true or not, but I certainly hope it was. Pat Tate was just the type to deserve a right hander off someone like Roy Shaw.
As they say never let the truth get in the way of a good story ?
@@user-gi7em3sk2mpaul sykes would of hurt him bad wouldn't of been a fight just a bad beating but a real hardman who had a proper reputation is Gary spiers digger look him up
@@yabbadondadda It's a known fact that Sykes dealt with Shaw twice whilst they were both locked up and Shaw admitted this himself before his death. Both fights were over very quickly which shows how hard Sykes actually was at one point to have dealt with a man like Shaw without even breaking a sweat!
@@yabbadondadda I knew Gary, great sense of humour, but harder than a coffin nail May he RIP.
@@k1dn1ce76 didn’t he say shaw that Sykes was to big for him or something
They should do a movie about roy shaws life it would be class
There is
@@shouldknowbetter3047 not a documentary iv seen that is was good
Roy was a well known and bona fide hard man, tate was a bully, I only see one outcome had they ever had a scrap and that's Roy as the Victor
I read an article about Roy Shaw in the early 00s it was all about his life and him visiting Ronnie Biggs in Brazil , in the article Roy who was around 65 at this stage said he didn’t get into fights anymore but said he had got into one not long ago where he knocked out some young guy in a night club who was giving him lip but that would have been after Tates murder I was amazed how a guy in his 60s could still dish it out to a bloke years younger than him ..
@@jabnmove Be careful or I'll send the ghost of The Pretty Boy after you lol
I’m not amazed. I’ve seen very handy men in their 60’s, destroy men half their age.
A fighting man of 60 would have no problem with some pissed up gobshite, half his age. You can either fight, or you can't & most pissed up gobshites, can't!
Apparantley before he got on the drugs Pat Tate was a funny likeable fella.
He really was as it goes ..
@@frankensteinsmate He would frequent Chelmsford Car auctions during early 90s.A nicer bloke you woudlnt meet.
Your on it today pal 😉🥊👊🏾
If Tate had upset Roy Shaw I wouldn't be surprised if he did crack his jaw , 🏴
Yeah he used to fight Lenny Mc Lean.. did Roy Shaw.
@@richardmcgonigle1160lol 2 wobblers on the cobbles over rated mugs.
@@StuartAnderson-xl4bo have you seen the boxing matches between a young lenny n Roy? The punishment Roy took was almost unbelievable.....
@@StuartAnderson-xl4bo not always on the cobbles bare knuckle. Roy was one of the few who would face him in the ring. Also Roy eats brandy glasses as a party trick n chews the glass... fact.
@@StuartAnderson-xl4bo also couldn't get legit boxing license because of criminal stuff or they would be far more famous .
Hard to believe anything Woollard says because it’s been proved he’s lied in his books before just to get at people.
I’m glad you said Mahoney was just an associate because he’s made a living telling lies about the Essex Boys and what happened on workhouse Lane that fateful night of December 6th 1995. He claims to be a founding member which is absolute bullshit.
He was employed at Raquels nightclub as a doorman and wasn’t a very good one because he’d run when it kicked off. I’ve seen him do it.
Jack Whomes and Mickey Steele did NOT kill them. They were clearly set up
Love the story ❤
Interesting Video mate. Nice one.
I could ask Roy's Son Gary , or his daughter Chettina as speak to them occasionally.
Although I've got a feeling this might remain a mystery.
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Cheers Matt just found it it was in danny woollards book wild cats he says Roy broke his jaw.asked tel he said it did happen .who knows bit good story 😂😂
@@enquirer2.0
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Matt, it never happened. I know the doorman who did spark him, a guy called mick McCarthy a doorman from Southend. He was subsequently shot in the head in a Basildon cafe. I’m getting a lot of grief regarding my vid on shaw. His daughter should confirm it happened as she became friendly with myself and Lee afterwards. Even Gary was allowed in to Hollywood after the fight.
@@michaelkelly3638Pat had his jaw broke at least 3 times I no of.
@@michaelkelly3638 Micheal a man that knows the truth mick McCarthy did attack pat macCarthy was actually with draper if I remember rightly,just to say you no your facts my friend 👍🏻
Danny wollard & Roy Shaw, two people I would be glad to have as friends not as enemies
Pat did get his jaw broken by someone i remember him talking about, he was born in 1958 same age as me I use to hang around with him in my 20s he was car dealer in them days he was a bloody good laugh even went to his wedding he married Donna
Did you know tucker or rolf mate?
@@KarlForster-du5li no mate by then I lost contact with him last time I saw him was when he escaped from court room stayed at my place then he went to Gibraltar
@@trevormappley where was you living mate I was living by Patrick in the craylands I think around 86ish
@@rambo235 I lived in harlow essex, when I first bumped into pat we was both on visit to one of my mates in Stamford Hill
Yes I knew him well then also .. Donna was lovely and had a sister called Julie .. twin I think .. pat was a cool bloke back then and just wheeled and sealed .. if you needed insurance papers for old bill .. ya see pat .. same with mots .. really helped me out back then ... he just got into a different life and consumed him I beleive ..
Bernie didn’t have a clue who the Longfella was until Judas Pig came out (in 2004) , that shows you how plugged into the scene he was
@@BigBillKelly-x2z Who told you he was in the Adams family. Yammy? He was talking so fast the other day, he mentioned the Adams and then Hunt, but Hunt ran his own canning town firm. The Adams were from North London. Hunt wasn't in the Adams/
DH was never connected to the A team . He ran his own organisation originally based in Canning Town and was at least the equal , in power and influence, of the Adams . An ultra serious hard case , allegedly never been beat in a one to one fight and also a respected pigeon breeder and racer . I doubt Tate would have ever dreamed of tangling with DH , he would have known all about him and kept well clear .
@@BigBillKelly-x2zyou made a mistake
Customs House
@@BigBillKelly-x2zhunts and the A team are to separate firms who ever told you this ?
Danny Wollard says in a documentary on UA-cam Tate got his jaw broken by his mate because he was trying to muscle in on his crop
Just read it again in his book he said they bottled it but just had a drink .said Roy broke his jaw later
@@enquirer2.0 he might of had his jaw broken more then once i think nipper ellis also said pat had his jaw broken outside a put on a pos cast he did on UA-cam
@@enquirer2.0 mick McCarthy knocked out Tate not shaw. Shaw was 58 in 1994 when Tate was released.
Woodard is just jabbering for the cameras
@@michaelkelly3638 bull shit
Was McCarthy not one of the investors in the cannabis importation deal they were working on with Steele at the end?
Roy used a chair leg to smash the glass panel on the door! Legendary!R.I.P!🔥
Love these legendry stories . Not built like this no more
Lee duffy would have snapped tates jaw if he ever crossed duffy,
Duffy who
You reckon lee Duffy would do very well against lee Murray? Duffy wasn’t even the hardest lee
@@louitomlinson6360 Lee Murray the former MMA fighter he was good back in the day didn't he go to prison robery
Really I don't think so.! You no shit
Yeah his life is basically a movie research lee Murray
Interesting account no doubt, thanks for this very thought provoking and if you find out any more let us know, as anything about these two guys is worth knowing.
Roy was solid total great boxing time served in the ring great video thanks sir
Pretty boy Shaw is a fighter hard as nails, completely different league to these roid rage gym bunny drug dealers.
good see you back - good content mate
Thankyou mate
I see a Danny Wollard docu he said pat and Tony stepped to a door at a club he was in and they're said there taking over and the door but it come on top and pat got chinned and they're left so not sure if this is that occasion
Two legends reunited in heaven
Everybody has medical records, if, and it's a big if, you could get hold of Pat Tate's medical records, they would say if he had a broken jaw...
Pat got his jaw broke a few times, some guy with the surname McCarthy from Basildon ko'd pat Infront of nipper
Not that I'd ever give it a go 😂😂
I hear what you are saying, but there would be timelines...@@samnicklin-vy5dz
@@samnicklin-vy5dz mick McCarthy that was my friend but he didn’t break pats jaw,draper was there helping him that night,2men on Patrick tate and they still struggled
Yeah Bernard maghoney was I feel desperate to align himself with it all as a doorman for the ££££
Pat Tate hitting that bloke in the Happy eater was acting like a real Knob sorry
Smashing it out the park again mate
except he got all his dates wrong. poor research.
Small correction: The Essex boys were murdered in December 1995, not 1998. interesting video, well put together. Thank you.
Andy peters and phil schofield killed the tates in a bbc prank gone wrong
Nice try Noel aka Mr Edmonds… trying to take the heat off yourself are we?
Wud of been when Oat was younger I reckon if did happen.think it was in jamie Boyle ls book
There was a documentary I saw on YT about Gangsters in Essex, (Mainly based around the Blundells and the Essex boys) but it featured Danny Woollard from the east end and the narrator tells the story of a weed farm that Danny had a stake in being disturbed by tate and tucker, and the words are "Woollards associates left Tate with a broken jaw" before it goes on about the other multiple warnings these guys received from the old school
Worked under Roy Epping club " la Taverna" - " Billy Jeans" 80s - 90s. He deffo would done Tate, but I knew Lee Chapman, absolute gent of guy gym Braintree. Monster could push x7 plates 20kg each side in day, had mega reach. Am ex Army- trained South Africa- USA- Russia-Poland never seen guys like back then esp Lee C in UK. Tate was sadly druggie. So Roy beat him but Lee Chapman would spanked both. What is presented on msm+ from politicians 100% diff to street reality. Control- image- ego- politics works in. Most professional boxers etc are s hite in essence best fighters can't get licences due to criminal records. Knew 2 ppl my old Scots reg put Nigel Benn on floor when he was in Army, they were in that category.
Rubbish. Tate spent the late 80’s and early 90’s in prison. When he came out in 94
Roy was 58 !!!
Cmon now, mick McCarthy wasted Tate
Danny woollards book who said Roy broke his jaw whether it true or not don't no
Ya it was McCarthy who broke Pats jaw
@@enquirer2.0 the problem with liars is they need great
Memories. He followed that up on UA-cam by saying they had a word with tucker and Tate in Epping country club.
And another thing, Woodard would never step out of line in Davy hunts club.
They all wrote books in the 80/90’s and assumed they couldn’t be checked, then lo and behold, social media brought about the fact finders. Pat was knocked out by a traveller doorman called mick McCarthy
Sorry not stalking you lol. Did you ever meet dave Hunt back in the day?
@@stephencrozier396 yes, a few times but only at
Boxing events in repton.
His brother Steve I knew well. His son Oliver and my boy Sean were buddies in primary school. Steve I liked a lot. It’s in part two Q&A that’s up this weekend
Roy Shaw would have left him behind, even with the age gap 100%
Great bloke roy god bless him 🙏 roy was in broadmoor psychiatric hospital not dartmoor
I was there when it happened. I was walking past when I saw the two men fighting. The smaller man was getting the better of the tall man. Thankfully I am trained in karate so I stepped in to break up the brawl. I spoke to both to calm them down and they went on their way.
Pat Tate got his jaw broken at a burger stall in basildon way back then and the guy wasn’t Roy shaw .. early 80’s ..
Really interesting video just sub with your channel Roy Shaw was the man people had so much respect 4him.
Roy defo slapped Steve Wraith about 😂
If this has come from BOM it is likely a pipe of crap
Happy Eater not that happy getting beat up 😂😂😂😂😂
Happy beater?
Pat tony and craig wasnt even herd of in east london !! Small fish !
That's true, but neither were you.
Roy top man and gentleman loves his dogs a absolute legend.
Crime scene to court room on YT mentions pat tate having his jaw broken in a pub. They didn’t say who done it tho, if I remember rightly it was done by a well known face.
Not horrific circumstances it's the game
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I don’t believe this to be accurate due to the date/ age difference. Don’t get me wrong I know a lot of older fellas of who can still have a scrap but Roy against a fit Pat ????
Woolard on his own would of dealt with pat at the time, think of it like this.. Shaw, a 55yo ex bareknuckle and unlicensed champion/armed robber certified insane who's still trains most days of the week against a 35yo bodybuilder/drugdealer and user who only bashes up people weaker then him unless he's got a gun.
Roy all day long 💯
Fitness ain't everything I've seen super fit trained geezers get ironed out by out of shape drunks I've seen old men deck guys in their twenties
If you land a good first punch it don't matter how young and fit the other guy is he's going down Roy was a trained experienced fighter Tate was a pumped up bully nobody had probably had the bottle to hit him before, he wouldn't have been expecting it and would have been stunned and surprised. Doesn't matter how big your muscles are a punch full on the jaw from someone like Roy Shaw ain't something you can ride
@@michaelharrison3602 fair point!
Rip pretty boy ❤😎🙏
2 things:
The Essex boys died in ‘95 not ‘98.
Roy Shaw went to Broadmoor for the ‘liquid cosh’ not Dartmoor.
His trying to repeat these podcast his watched and getting a lot wrong
@@aaronfiddy4260 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rettendon_murders
I’ll wait for your apology. 🤦♂️
@@DrB81 for what
@@DrB81 shit sorry was 1995 thought wad 96
@@aaronfiddy4260 Props to you for admitting you made a mistake. 👍. That’s a rare trait these days. All the best.
Mick McCarthy broke pats jaw
He ended up getting shot in 1994 sat in a cafe
Was mick a doorman?
I remember that mick took no 💩 of anyone look how he handled Roy keane
@@jonwalton4286 whooooosh!!
The Machine
Pat was born 1958 I think. He was 37 when he was killed in 1995
Nipper ellis on liquid bullet productions said that Mccarthy broke tates jaw
if roy was on danny woolards firm then it may be true, defo heard that story before but never mentioned who actualy broke his jaw.
Rise of the footsoldier 90 ,pat tates jaw in space 😂
I would still watch it haha
@@ATomRileyA yh😂 at this point I’ve invested too much time to not watch the next instalment lol
This era of England (south) seems so interesting
Roy was a proper hard man
Michael Kelly’s pod says gypsy mick McCarthy broke tates jaw
He escaped from Billericay Magistrates Court. He didn't chin any security guard. He ran out with a copper hanging around his neck and managed to throw him off. I knew the copper.
Pat Tate was a nasty bully.
Got what was coming to him.
I’ve always wondered if the story about Roy ripping a cell door of its hinges is true. I’ve read it said in few books
💯 Agree with you.
Jesus I thought this may be a decent Channel
When u can’t even get the year of the murders right it’s down hill from here
And another ….
Jack Werner’s brother who the fuck is jack Werner
Best channel on UA-cam boxing enquirier 1.0 man under 100 the kinahans books 📚 what happened to them ben can't they go back up
Another story was it happened in a little drinking club in wash road laindon essex
Roy shaw was in a different league to them bullies, this guy is telling a story every one has already heard 😴
Thanks for your comment 👍
I thought when Danny Wollard mentioned it he was talking about Bill the Bomb or Gluckstead that was more people he knew I’m not sure, there is a few out there that exaggerate or get genuinely muddled up about who and when.
I read a few accounts that man that got the better of Tate outside a gym in a straight fight was a man called Mick Mcarthy.
He then fell out with Roy Keane in Saipan at the world cup in 2002. Bad hoor that Mick.
@@chulainn32 ah ?
@@chulainn32 yes got it now lol
@@seanmwh sorry pal...shite joke :)
Yes, mick McCarthy a doorman from Southend. He himself was later shot in the head in a pitsea cafe
Pat would’ve done Roy I reckon. Too big. And capable of being equally as violent as Roy.
Skill beats size?
@@180perspecrive.-eq3cn don’t think either of them were particularly skilled 😂 just very aggressive
@@DonKing-xg4kq fair enough It was before my time anywho. Don’t even know why I’m keeping up with it all tbh lol
My beloved Essex. The place where legends are born, breed & die.
It's a shithole. Glad I left it , when i did.
And now even Roy Shaw’s son is peddling a book. Surely the gravy train is full now, all these individuals trying to make a fast buck of these daft stories. Can’t wait for Roy Shaw’s postman to do his version of “delivering mail to Britains hardest gangster” etc etc..
Danny Woollard had Pat Tate's jaw broken, because the essex boys tried to take a cut from Woollard's cannabis growing factory
Danny Wollard and his team got seriously beaten up in a magistrates court by the LONGFELLA💯💯💯😎🦋🐝🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@malcolmx4545 sorry i don't folliw?
They were murdered in 1995
A snapped jaw ? What is that ?
Broken jaw.
A guy from the rhondda south wales who was a doorman in the old swansea nightclub ritzy chris Edwards hammered pat tate when he come to swansea
I think Leah’s dad paid a hitman to pop a cap in Tates backside and rightly so.
it was 95, same year Eric slapped that Palace lad.
Was this the same story book written by the brothers Grimm.
I've never met Roy Shaw and he doesn't mention that in his book..... but it happened?
Fascinating! I’ve not heard this before. Thanks for the in depth investigation, your analysis seems pretty close if it did happen. 👍
Fiction - Didn’t Happen
More people would have heard about it
I knew Roy Shaw from my days drinking in the Royal Oak on a Friday night in Loughton. The man was a gentleman but when it comes to violence Roy was in a league of his own. Roy Shaws eyes were enough to terrify most people.
You don't know what your talking about😂
Danny wallard said it was mid 90s epping country clulb
Thabkyou mate . I just asked a mate from ct he reckons it true so I'm wrong it looks 😂
December 95 was the Essex boys murders
Early that same year we saw Tucker escort Nigel Benn to the ring for his fight with McClennan. At the time not many of us would have known who Tucker was. It was years later before I knew.
96.i.th9ught
Micky Gluxsted broke Tates jaw
Nope Mick McCarthy did
Michael McCarthy ended up getting shot to death in a cafe in 1994
@@paulstephens4858I thought someone said he was in a wheelchair did he work on the doors? He was a traveller I think
Danny Wollard saya Gluxted
Wtf is this guy on about. He says Shaw got out of jail when he was 40, then in the next breath he got out when he was 24. None of what he's saying makes sense
pat tate born 1958 not 1954
thankyou mate
Tucker rolph and tate were murdered in the december of 95 mate
What I want to know is, where is Jason Draper these days? What became of him?
Also, a guy related to "The Long Fella" called Dave Davis (not the politician). He was featured in the Hard Bastards 2 book.