Ukraine crisis: Iain Dale speaks to Professor Michael Clarke and Ben Judah
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- Iain Dale speaks to former RUSI Director-General Professor Michael Clarke and the Atlantic Council's Ben Judah, amid the Ukraine crisis. This video is taken from Iain's show on Thursday March 3rd 2022.
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Possibly the most informed discussion I've heard.
You need to branch out more and listen to others that aren't biased...
@@naz040 ???
@@roscius6204 If you think these two are giving you an honest truthful insight into what is going on with Russia / Ukraine, then i got a golden bridge to sell you...
@@naz040 Let me help you comrade.
What you're trying to say is that you don't share their POV.
Fine.
So what?
You've been sold a fairytale of hypocrisy where NATO can destroy countries and it's cool.
Do something that Putin will hate: re-join the EU. And if that means you’ll have to have cheaper food and fuel, the right to live, work and retire in all EU countries; higher environmental standards, and peace secured in NI, then that’s just a price you’ll have to pay.
You feeling alright there Gary? You sound like someone who's in the Ukraine, and just been hit on the head with a lump of rubble.
Really?! The first thought you had was to take this discussion there? ffs...
I think the post was a sarcastic joke at the Brexit disaster.
Surely, even though the British people are poorer, have less prospects, and we may see a return of the troubles in NI, we have "TAKEN BACK CONTROL". And we can look forward to the sunlit uplands of free trade with er.. Australia and er.. New Zealand without any harm to our own farmers. Never worry, Sun readers will direct the Government to the right course of action, just ask Mogg.
@@theborderer1302 Yeah...because everything, so rosy in EUland at the moment...
What a show that was. Seriously you need to keep getting these guests back even once a month. Bravo Bravo.
Best analysis of the conflict so far.
Educate yourselves.this is gibberish.
I was recently at a seminar in London on potential dangers to our internal security during the Ukraine crisis. One thing did come out many Brexiters had allied themselves with Russian Oligharchs during the Brexit campaign and afterwards . So one can only conjecture how many now are still working hand in glove with their Russian friends to undermine British security . We must keep an eye on all these people one piece of evidence is to look up those who in the past supported Putin. There were quite a few among the Right wing Brexiters . For the sake of your country you must make every effort to root these fifth columist Putinist in our
midst . This is why everyone who is a patriot and wants to allow this country to surviive Putin's onslaught . Putin of course celebrated Brexit because he knew it would weaken Britain and make it more vulnerable
Boris stopped the UK intelligence services from investigating the possibility of Russian interference in Brexit. Draw your own conclusions. And yes, Brexit would weaken Britain, but, just as crucially, would also weaken Europe. Win Win for Putin - and it only cost a few £million in the right pockets.
The Brexiters got to prominence because of how well they were being funded by Russians.
Boris is friends with oilagarchs. Is that why it is taking him so long to cease properties from these monsters?
Typing this in Springfield, MO. LBC is fast becoming my favorite news program
Brilliant debate, we need more of this.
The trust issues in Europe are insane.
I've learnt more in 1 hour watching this, than I did in my whole 5 years of studying GCSE history, combined
Excellent stuff, more please! 👏
This has been a brilliant program. Thanks.
Michael Clarke: "Trumps swims in the shallow end of the intellectual pool." What a brilliant quote!
And thank you, Iain's producer, for actually having experts on.
Think you'd have to get out of the pool and go to the pool they have for parents and toddlers.
Swims? More bobs about like a fatberg.
Yeah,but when he was in power the world was a lot safer.
Trump swims in the shallow end with water wings and giant rubber duckie.
@@sonnyirish3678 yea sure he was...plank..
This did not start last Thursday it started in 2014.
Professor Michael Clarke, you are brilliant.
Ian please get Professor John Mearsheimer on. His analysis is worth hearing by your audience.
John Mearsheimer predicted the war 6 years ago and the reasons for war; NATO and EU cosying up to Ukraine, when it needed to be a neutral buffer state. He also gave evidence for infiltration of Neo-Nazis into the army (Azov Brigade) and also Neo-Nazis into the Government.
Take the oligarchs and criminal money and empty homes in uk away and redistribute the money to the people of Ukraine and Russia, and provide the homes to the poor in uk
Great idea, but in reality it will go into the hands of the tory's rich benefactors. A fire sale of oligarch's property - can normal Joe make a bid on a £10 million mansion going for a 'mere' £5 million? But bet your bottom dollar some rich tory donor can. Sell at a profit, donate a few £million to the tories, and, hey presto, a seat in the house of Lords!
Very well said
Take the money from Jews and give it to Palestinians.
@@SarthakBhatia We don't need Russian Trolls here. Take your antisemitism elsewhere.
As an American listener, I must say I'm impressed by the level of listener comments and questions. The general tenor of is much higher than I hear here.
Nobody asks if the Russian commanders may be holding back. They would have a lot of reason to do so.
Absolutely the most informative account of the situation so far. Please keep these guys on hand as things progress.
Hear Hear .
The best analysis I've heard about the relationship between Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko was when one expert said that saying that Lukashenko is the junior partner is overstating his role in the relationship.
The standard of broadcasting from Iain Dale is phenomenal. Would gladly pay to listen to his shows
This could have gone on for many more hours. The interest and enjoyment levels generated by the programme almost cause one to be embarrassed when considering the gravity of the situation's and events they focus on.
24' got a mention- how about taking a similar approach and providing regular updates/'epidodes' as the horror show in the Ukraine unfolds. The awareness and richness of background info this offered was invaluable.
"The USSR, fearing the restoration of German militarism in West Germany, had suggested in 1954 that it join NATO, but this was rejected by the US and UK. The Soviet request to join NATO arose in the aftermath of the Berlin Conference of January-February 1954." Em, who's sorry now...
Russia wanted to join NATO in the 90s too but were told to get lost. Something smells fishy...
Yes and Putin asked Bill Clinton in 2000 again and was brushed off. NATO has no reason to exist without a major protagonist, they need a bogeyman. Reminds me of the cartoon film Megamind weirdly.
@@FOOLSGOLD7875 Imagine no NATO - it is easy if you try! (same now as seven months back! )
most comprehensive and informative coverage I have seen on any channel.
Yes please have them on again.
What a fantastic programme Iain and what terrific insights and analysis. I've learnt so much about the situation from people who know what they are talking about. .
Hoho
The soviets love lists, my family were on such a list in 1939, and disappeared along with thousands of others into Siberia, the threat of mass relocation's is not a fanciful thought , we have seen this before
Discussing anti Russian propaganda, they are sitting there talking about fantasy,Thier hatred for Russia is sick.
EXCELLENT! Ben and Michael show ASAP 👍👍. +1
You manage to formulate the situation in a way that really brings frightening possibilities to mind, in a way that I have been hoping would never happen again...
Very informative radio, thank you.
Remember the only world leaders that supported Brexit was Putin and Trump....
excellent hour LBC, get these guys back on this week.
Why have you uploaded this video without editing out the massive pauses
Brilliant thanks you
Look at Berlin in 1945 how the Russian troops acted against women and children
I've just discovered this talk station, their callers are so random and all over the place it's my sleepy time favourite.
amazing Program Iain, well done to the team
This might have been overlooked, but apart from the quality of the guests’ analysis, the quality of the listeners’ questions which made it to air should also be commended.
I can't take seriously someone who can't tell the difference between "three" and "free".
Ian thinking his job is anything other than an Armchair:'insert any job title' is hilarious to me.
Educated our audience? More like indoctrinated our audience.
right on the money
No, NATO Expansion right up to Russia's border has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
Superb show.
“Putin and Xi would humiliate Trump in a negotiation table” (paraphrasing)
Well, I’m glad the US has a sharp minded president in Biden now. It’s not like he was wrong about every international policy he held in his 50 years of congress either…
Great discussion 👍
Great analysis but editing needs serious work.
Who caused the regime change in Ukraine?
Will they making sure that Every Refugee from Ukraine is vaccinated?so that we do not have another spread of Covington 19
This is v helpful 😉
Funny that, calls his listening public, armchair generals, then asks the generals in armchairs to ring in.
I think the only people offended by that remark are the uneducated armchair generals.
@@Grammy52 I don’t think he’s offended, he is just stating a fact
I find it very sad that britain is outside the EU council were all the big decisions are being made. Our Foriegn secretary floating around Latvia for a press op. There is no doubt that the Russian backed Brexit has weakened Britains status in the corridors of European power... Tragic for us all really that no one will be held accountable .
My friend I would love to AGREE with you BUT the reality is we ALL will be held accountable for that decision WE as people made it and THIS is the outcome of it. No allies, no peace, no power and NO SAY.
I call BS on you.
Best laugh we have had in the Office all week.
Thank you
@@nickssurplus “We have crushed the British to the ground, they are on their knees and they will not rise for a very long time.” Aleksandr Yakovenko after learning of the brexit vote result.
@@wolfiesmith7674 Countries rise, fall and rise again all of the time.
Look at Germany in how many times they have risen and fallen and risen again
In the 1970s we where known as the poor sickly man of Europe.
Then in the mid 80s we started to rise again.
Just my pennies worth
Have you asked about the Labour Party getting money from Russia.
What was it ?
Just remind me
Was it over £1,000,000
Hmmmmm will you be mentioning this ?
Or again the money from China ?
Just listened to Dr David Starkey and obviously now listening to the man talking now. Putin hasn't done this on his own. It's Ben. Only been on a plane once in my life...thanks to the Poverty Alliance
Superb discussion
ben judah says macron offered putin a moratorium, but I don't see any evidence of that anywhere in the press unless i'm mistaken?
What a load of nonsense.
He sounds like David Davies
What century is this?
This Russian aggression was planed for a long time....
An enjoyable hour's worth of debate and like more callers, I have learned so many things.
....................................on a lighter note, the professor sounds like Ken Dodd!
That was an excellent programme. The two gentlemen provided a first class assessment of the situation as it is and also what the future may hold.
That was a complete BS. Anyone paying attention would know this.
Do they discuss links between Putin and Brexit? A timestamp?
Monday morning quarterbacks are on every bus including this one....let's wait until full-time !
TOTAL MORAL COLLAPSE . . disgusting
Nice to get my namesake expert on.
Arm chair generals pay your salary (indirectly)
Did the expansion of NATO contribute, in terms of provoking a military reaction from Putin?
Was it possible to defuse the situation and calming Putin In not invading, as NATO had no intention of sending NATO troops to Ukraine to defend and protect innocent civilians. I think Ukraine expected full intervention not just hardware from the west. Was the Ukraine President miss lead? Or did he miss judge?
52:29...."Trump swims in the shallow end of the intellectual pool "..... 😆🤣 that was brilliant!
AHH ! The elephant in the room ? Surrender ? - - - - - !
Great clarion clarity. We need to state our Red Lines & dont try to double-guess Putins state of mind and what he wants.
When he put his troops on another country's Territory he became persona non grata.
Iraq? Syria? Afghanistan? Cuba Kennedy?
It is scary that so many years has gone by and no one has learned anything. We have put up massive blinds and indifference to our co-humans in Russia while enjoying the goods and not thinking one thought of our actions.
You consider Tsar Poutine to be... human?
Financial crisis could never happen? We have them every decade or so.
Correct. But everything is a crisis for certain media. Remember Sky News's "Euro Crisis". At last, a PROPER CRISIS. 😱
Half the tourists in Salou are Russians. There'll be MUCH shorter cues for the sliced watermelon.
So, every cloud ...
Ukrainians and Russians are as one prople as Spaniards and Portuguese; Swedes, Norwegians and Danes; Scots and Irish... and we aren't bonkers for forcing them all back together.
Milosovic tried that and look how that went.
Where is this country of, “Rusher” you keep talking about?
Putin told you what would happen if you keep moving NATO closer to Russia’s borders. We only have ourselves to blame.
10:00 dose that work both ways? If Lukashenko falls will putin fall too? What about Assad? Can he survive without Putin? Or the other ex Soviet dictators?
Insanity .you people are insane
Giving Putin a 'ladder to climb down' - how feasible is it that the West says to Putin, 'Pull out your troops, walk away, stay away ... and we'll first, disband NATO and second, simultaneously pull out all the stops to build strong trading relations.'? If Putin welches on the deal, how quickly could the now-independent nations re-group their influence?
With so much drama in the LBC its kinda hard bein' Snoop D-O-double G
I know why I stopped listening to LBC.
Why can't the end goal be the one from Afghanistan?
Putin’s first of of agression- Georgia 2008🤦🏻♀️ his first war was Chechnya 1999
"international order," NO!! international LAW,
there is no sanction if america break THEIR rules based order
there is in a law based system.
How wrong you all were, LOL!!
Wait, what? Putin cried at a funeral, I’m not buying that!
Allergies?
Yes, NATO and their geopolitical ambitions are the problem.
A lot of "European" talking ... the UK is no longer part of. For example it's not up to the UK if EU will or will not allow visas for Ukrainians. It's not up to the UK also if the EU will expand or not.
You left, get over it.
Audience: Is it true that I've heard X.
Person from the establishment: Yes, in fact I said that first!
Didn't Putin's Russia literally requested to join NATO, so they would not have to see this alliance as hostile to them?
Yes, although Russia wanted into NATO with the option of a veto on resolutions etc. That was never a tenable situation with the ex Soviet union/Warsaw pact nations finally breaking free of the control of Russia only to have Russia once again with have a influence and control within NATO via veto's.
Negotiations were supposed to take place to come up with some kind of relationship either within or outside of NATO between nato and Russia, Putin was supposed to send a negotiator who never turned up.
I'll have a look for the interesting UA-cam video I saw on this and post below if I find it.
@@DCMamvcivmEvony I feel it's plenty clear even in your comment, that NATO is not neutral or defensive against Russia. NATO was a coalition against USSR, and after breakdown of USSR, the simplest description for why NATO still exist, is their hostility towards Russia and rest of communist countries.
The whole quote saying Putin has a 20th or 19th century perspective towards defense seems noting but an insult.
I thought that you were talking about Palestine... it has been going on for few(thousand) days...
West insisted that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. USSR saw it as an apartheid...
But then I realised west still have ideology of one Austrian gentleman. They are the right kind of Europeans, not those (Jews) Russians...
All people are important
I have watched videos by Professors and think tanks who specialise in Russian affairs, going back as far as 2017. They gave detailed analyses with the likely incremental steps which would result in this invasion. Western governments were informed and they were warned. I cannot make any assessment beyond these simple facts as I am aware that national game plans at this level are not in the public domain. One day we do need some answers from our governments in the West.
2017... Should go back to 1997 or even to 50's before calling some one specialist/expert of Eater Europe and Russian. Would be great too if so called expert live East part of Europe for a bit first.
@@mindaugasstankus5943 Apologies, let me make my post a little clearer. The video lectures I watched dated as far back to 2017, not the date of their expertise. One of the talks (on UA-cam) is Prof. John Mearsheimer a recognised specialist in this area and someone who is consulted by American Planning and Security agencies. There are others. Their presentations are fact based (academic). And, I don't think where said expert actually lives is necessarily so relevant.
One of Prof. Mearsheimer's thoughts was that the 'West' was fully aware that the endgame would be an invasion of Ukraine and this caused him to think that Russia invading Ukraine was possible the intended outcome of the West. He warned against that saying the Putin's history was such that he would deliberately trash as much of Ukraine's infrastructure as possible.
@@kevinu.k.7042 I’ve seen that talk too. Very eye opening.
Like all things most of the information about what's going on is in the public domain. I don't think that there's any conspiracy by governments or the media, its that there is far too much going on in the world from science, tech, the environment, business, local government, national governments to international affairs. I once worked in a bank where some of the analysts just analysed one company such as Apple year after year and they still only had a surface level of understanding of what was going on. The world is just too big and so much going on that its impossible for anybody or group of people to grasp and understand what's happening. When the financial crash occurred politicians, journalists and the man in the street became experts on banking. Yesterday is was epidemiology with Covid now its armchair generals. For me, as I worked in banking it was painfully clear that most politicians and all general journalists knew next to nothing about finance let alone the nuances. It would be interesting to know what date in the past it was possible to have a reasonable knowledge of all the things that were going on in the world - maybe someone like Keynes was the last person though it might have been a lot further back.
@@freebornjohn2687 I'm not sure where your post led. Though each statement on its own seems reasonable.
I would way that 'most information' is not in the public domain when it comes to international diplomacy. There are layers upon layers of positioning and gameplay and many meetings away from the prosses view.
You seem to be arguing against people taking an interest and getting a basic grasp of the facts from those who know them better? How else can we the electorate discuss and make informed decisions?
My 3 yr old has had 2 years of lockdown & now we enter a new cold war.
Where is the opposing point of view in this discussion? At least have someone with a different perspective/position to provide the counter arguments and make the discussion and debate interesting.
Ian where is majid'''have you had him shafted. He was getting better than you ''fear the competion'''little englanded
Not a balanced take at all
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Excellent information
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