I believe the devs stated that what yes-man said was poorly worded and actually means that he will take orders only from the courier from now on and not some random guy
Also tbh all the other ones have you listening to w a y more random guys. This guy is like a Lore Lodge, just stomps on the opposing side cuz addressing it would be too hard.
Tbh that was what I assumed when I was younger and first played the game but I started to recently question it after watching a few videos like these, so good to know that's confirmed now.
They did. But unfortunately, death of the author applies. The intended meaning isn't relevant if the work can justifiably lead to a different result than intended. Yes Man's ambiguous phrasing takes precedent over developer statements about "oh, what we really wanted him to say was..." Yes Man either listening to the next person who comes along, or becoming an uncontrollable and independent faction leader of the Securitrons, are absolutely legitimate concerns with his route and ending. If it could happen to Benny, it could happen to the Courier.
@@terpfen I see your point but death of the author is a literal theory not fact therefore saying it applies over the simple fact that the writers made an error in yes man’s delivery of dialogue is a stretch is it not
This was literally addressed in the video: "Yes Man is reprogramming himself now to be more assertive for the Courier, but how long before he simply decides to reprogram himself again, as he's already demonstrated here that he's capable of and willing to do. And there is no way of truly knowing that every time he repograms himself it will be for the Courier, or in line with what the Courier plans for Vegas." And I think it's a good argument, Yes Man has demonstrated the capability to reprogram himself to change his behaviour without needing permission by the Courier, therefore he is capable of doing so again.
@@aigis0423 Moving charisma from 10 to 1 is 9 skill points, then lower Intelligence and luck by, that is another 2 extra skill points. 9 from charisma plus 2 from intel and luck = 11 points total.
@@gamsssreal Well, assuming this *level 50* character had no implants is a bit bold imo. Cha should be base 1 but increased to 2 by implant, and meta build would have int and luck at 9 to start. But I see your point.
@@aigis0423 A charisma implant is a waste of an implant. Charisma is used in like 2 or 3 skills, and those all require more than 2 charisma points. And the skills that charisma upgrades can easily be upgraded by other methods.
There is one secret-ish ending to a questline that could have potentially significant ramifications on the Wild Card Ending. The Courier can become the heir to Papa Khan, or, in fact, become it's leader *during* the game. It requires some interesting and brutal acts, but it can be done. This is not addressed in any of the ending slides, and in fact glitches the Khans slides out. I feel like a Courier who has both a robot army, several friendly local groups(like the Boomers) *and* the Khans on their side has potential for a proper nation to form. Of course...it's not addressed in the ending slides at all.
Except the courier is a shitty leader and has no idea how to run a nation, Ntm the wild card ending just means the Mojave is independent of Ncr and legion control, nobody is in charge it essentially becomes the Wild West. Also regardless of what happens, he/she eventually returns to the big MT to utilize the technology to help people. They don’t run Vegas at all as much as liberate it from the control in that ending
also further proof that house didnt agree on them dropping the bombs in the game house was caught off guard by the bombs dropping and wasnt completely ready when it happened
Yeah, unless they want to retcon New Vegas, we have to understand his portrayal in the show through that lens. I'd just as happily ignore the show, however. :D
I like the idea of Yes Man activating a protocol to initiate Mr. Houses AI personality that he created to succeed him would probably be pretty likely. The House always wins after all...
@@ztmackin I always interpreted those robot women as very limited recordings, not like total mind in the machine stuff. Does the game specify anywhere?
The independent ending is as good and as bad as the player character is. It can either be the best ending or the worst ending depending on your choices. But in its core, it allows the locals of Vegas to have a shot at their own kind of civilization, free from house's tyranny, from the ncr's imperialism and the legions barbarism. A lot of people ignore the co-op in Westside but I think it is the first steps of a great civilization that is free and democratic in all aspects of life. Of course that's only my head canon, the independent ending's outcomes changes from person to person lol
Regardless of your karma the region is left without a governing body to bring order and several areas of the Mojave, including Vegas, are left experiencing difficulties, increased violence and security instability and even riots (worse than before) the followers struggle to keep presence in the region and many areas become a nest for raider gangs.
I always just disregarded the yes man Ending as a coping pipe dream that's doomed to fail as the Waistland is left without an organized governing body including Vegas, meaning the locals are as worse of as any part of the waistland. The mojavie before the NCR, Legion and House was just as worse of when humanity begun to pick itself up after the great war. What will exactly change that hasnt happend before? Not to mention Yes man is just a data slate copy of House after he applauded him self basicly meaning yes man is just House but with his original personality being long dead. So yeah I really don't see how yes man ending differentiates from what House could have and would have done giving the fact his just copying Houses Data memory banks making him House with the difference being that he listens to the Courier. And even than the Courier leaves for Big MT so the Entirety of the new vegas yes man Run, is pretty much pointless as all you did was instal a Diet Coke MR house in to power with the main caveat being he needs *YOU* to give him permissions and instructions to run Vegas. And for you to act as a mediator between him and the locals since he reprogrammed himself to listen to *YOU* and you alone. Sorry to say but independent Vegas is just a pipe dream ment to make the player cop out and live out there fantasies effectively giving them self the illusion of chose meaning they didnt inherently change anything and if anything made things worse long term, than they would have done if they otherwise chose other options. As the mojavie is left without order, you eventually leave and the lack of the circulation of supplies and resources being taken away when the NCR left, nobody being left to run the casinos and just the complications of governance being a whole diffrent issue under yes man as he needs your input and permission on how to do Vegas and let's be fair the Courier ain't fit to run a nation. As i just feel like people chose yes man so that way they arnt confronted with choices and responsibility of what it actually means to realistically choose in a world where you live with other people and where you don't inherently matter. And i think that was the point because why in the context if we descount RPG element's why would the Courier chose himself? The Courier is in his late thirties he has made multiple deliveries through out his entire life, he has walked the mojavie for decades on end so why only now would he feel as if its his responsibility to take power? How does that make him any different from every other self proclaimd benevolent leader like Caeser who formed the Legion? regardless of your build if we look from a inworld persepective if we descount the players view and assuming the Courier did side with bennies plan. That means you still stormed in Vegas, a place you don't belong and Upon learning about the platinum chip despite making multiple deliveries for decades before working with House how is this specific normal deliver if we discount gettin shot in the head how come all of a sudden this entire time it wss about liberating the Mojavie and freedom and what not? How come despite working with House and so far only being motivated by Money after getting his revenge on benny. How come it was only after seeing the potential to own Vegas even though the Courier could have walked away at any time did he finally decide to put a bet on a independent Vegas? Sorry to say but regardless of your build that does not look like a good leader in the making of we look at it from an in game persepective.
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 bro the game legit goes out of its way to call out every single fractions and listing out there pros and Cons from both internal and external influences. Is how we know the NCR is Corrupt and buerocraticaly inefficient because we hear it from both chief hanlon a ?high ranking general in the NCR army) and Cass a citizens of the NCR tells you the republic isn't going to last a nother dacade due to due the fact they can't even defend there own borders from crack heads with polo sticks. It's how we know the Legion is Evil due to multiple NPCs conveying the legions crimes and how there scrared shiteless of them winning, With even Caeser tells you the Legion is Evil in its current form and only built it as one massive middle finger to the NCR. "ThE gAmE tRiEs HaRd To PrOpAgAnIzE eAcH fAcTiOn" is something someone who never played the game would say when the entire point of the game is calling out every single government and system in the game and how there's no good choice and no matter which one you make the world would just relapse and all those system's would just end up failing either ways it's where the term "War never Changes" came from and implemented in game. Because we the player though are able to tip the scales in a factions favor, we don't inherently matter in the games world. And the Yes man Ending is not Canon for a pretty good reason as it's referd to as a "Wild card ending" for a reason and it only exists in the game allow the player to take power just because we can. It's not the Couriers desicion it's the players as it's only ment as a RPG fan fic, sand box game for the player to have fun with. And the Yes man Ending is not a good look for the Courier in game. As a random mailman coming out of knowwher, taking power even though they have zero experience at governance and arnt even native said lamd and declaring themselves the savoir of the Mojavie is not a good look no matter which perspective you look at it. As labeling the Courier a saint just because you the player desighned him that way doesn't ring true in the lore itself. Because the excuse of *" since I'm the one who's taking power I'm completely justified because I have good Karma, and since it's me making all the Good descions that means my Courier must be Good which gives him the right to own Vegas. All because I'm the one who desighned my Courier that way despite it all being RPG driven and having zero effect on the games lore"* . Is not a good argument to be made when justifying the Yes man Ending.
4:20 I don't understand why people still think Yes Man will backstab you. I think Sawyer saying that Yes Man doesn't become independent is an ironclad reason for him to remain subservient in perpetuity. Why would Sawyer say that if it held no weight after an arbitrary amount of time? Yes Man is just a program following a directive. Reprogramming himself to exclusively serve the Courier doesn't deviate from his directive, so why assume Yes Man will randomly go against programing? 22:12 Something to note: the Legion waiting to reengage the NCR would be great for their Frumentarii. The legion has been shown to have men in the ranks of the Mojave NCR. In the interim, their spies could wiggle their way into a lot of high-ranking NCR positions or critical infrastructure. I enjoyed the video and I'm glad people are still making content about NV's endings. At the end of the day, every faction boils down to different flavors of exploitation anyway.
"I don't understand why people still think Yes Man will backstab you." Because Yes Man's ending statement is ambiguous enough that betrayal, or his being forced to help someone else overthrow the Courier in a poetic recreation of what the Courier did to Benny, is a realistic option. Sawyer's out of game statements do not trump what actually occurs in the game; death of the author applies.
House can't find a peaceful resolution with the BOS (comparatively NCR can), does practically nothing for Goodsprings (NCR is abit worse), either doesn't touch Freeside/Kings at all or executes them all to expand territory(NCR is infinitely better), does nothing about the Powder Gangers (NCR clean them up even if the player doesn't), does nothing to Primm or hurts it mroe if they sided with NCR (NCR is better), does nothing to the Followers (worse than NCR). Additionally all of the Companion endings are worse with him. So the text from Ending Slides (our only canon source for the Mojave's Future outside the Show) is practically universally in favour of the NCR. But beyond that let's talk abit about incompetence since that's something People like to bring up with NCR. House is literally incapable of doing anything without the intervention of the Courier, like straight up he can do actually nothing. Only reason House is independent is because he got the magical perfect storm to lineup for him to hold his Independence, if NCR wasn't dealing with Legion they would've taken over The Strip, if the Strip wasn't protected by the NCR then Legion or Random tribes would've taken it over. Moreover, House's Laissez Faire attitude to literally all his subjects causes the potential re-emergence of Cannibalism in the White Glove Society, a guaranteed Terrorist attack by the Omertas without Courier Intervention and The potential usurpation of his throne by the Chairmen (or Benny atleast). He straight up admits that he allows Legion spies to roam freely on the strip which is what likely caused the Terrorist Attack to potentially happen, and due to his signed contract he is willing to do absolutely nothing about it. So 3 more examples of the utter Failure of his system. Finally, if you even remotely defy/disagree with him directly he immediately shuts down and either refuses to move forward or attacks you. So no Negotiating again. Basically He can't do shit without the Courier compared to the other Factions, is unwilling to follow any vision other than his own, has way worse ending slides than NCR, gouges everyone working on the strip outside the families (Vault 21, some of the Salespeople) and then exercices so little Control/Surveillance over the families that literally every single one of them is concocting a massively immoral plan, a massively detrimental plan to his rule, or both, and finally gives 0 shits about every non-strip faction, unless they're opposed to him, at which point he executes them. Only thing you can say he has over NCR is a potential Future, but you have to absolutely believe he can pull that shit off, be ok that he's likely only doing it to the Strip and potentially a few surrounding areas, be ok with him bulldozing anyone whose remotely against him, and you have to disregard the existance of the Big MT which potentially far surpasses his technological Know-How, AKA we don't actually need House for any of the Tech, just the logistics. and that all without mentioning the Downsides of a Dictatorship compared to a Democracy. IMO before the Show dropped the choice is so obviously NCR favored it's not even funny, nowadays with the ability to see the future House could potentially be better, but without seeing how the Strip is doing and how far along his Space Ship plan he's gotten it's hard to tell if he's doing all that well.
I'm glad someone mentioned this because people just ignore the flaws with House. He's undeniably a good choice but he's not perfect and has flaws that don't make him automatically the best choice for the Mojave.
@@Mikey-xz4vn tbf it's less LARPing and more Religious Fanaticism. Idk if that's better or worse though but they have kept some semblance of peace in Freeside.
Something interesting in surprised I’ve never seen anyone note is near the end of lonesome road if you’re doing an NCR playthrough there’s a dialogue option where you tell ullysses you’ll help reshape the NCR or “fix” it. That one dialogue option to me brings a lot more merit to the NCR, suggesting that the courier could help mold the NCR to a slightly better state after the second battle of Hoover dam
I feel like there’s two ways of viewing this. Like yes, throughout the game you are, in some ways, “fixing” the ncr, through helping the people and army and creating alliances across the Mojave, you are bringing the Republic more in line with it’s egalitarian values which is something that isn’t really possible with the other two factions. Through spiritually saving the NCR, we are proving the value of representative democracy over totalitarian autocracy. The other way is that this line is incredibly naive. Consider how many examples of trying to “reform the system from the inside” has actually worked because it’s surprisingly few, Just look at how many cops are fired or shunned for reporting on the immoral behaviour of their peers. Throughout the game you have to “fix” the ncr because whenever it’s encountered a tense situation, its first response is violence and extermination. Yeah, you the player can change the NCr because it wouldn’t be as fun for the player if the choices you make in the game had zero impact. The ncr is an incredibly flawed faction and while you can help out the soldiers sent to the Mojave, the chance to make a real change beyond Vegas seems very slim.
There's another nice thing that can only be achieved through a Mr. House ending(And possibly Yes Man ending). If you confront Chief Hanlon on the same playthrough, but don't expose what was he doing(So he survives), after House's victory Hanlon will successfully become a Senator opposing imperialistic fools like Kimball and Oliver. So in a way, House's victory is also the best for NCR, as it has a chance of slowly causing some of NCR's issues to be fixed. Also Fallout show is not a particularly reliable source when talking about the game, considering that according to it NCR capital was nuked before events of New Vegas... which clearly isn't canon with the game. Also the idea of Vault-Tec being the ones who fired the first nukes is also show's invention, as long time ago one of original Fallout creators said that first nuke was fired by China, after it discovered America was working on the FEV.
1. it does not state that Shady Sands was nuked before the events of New Vegas, that is a misreading of one scene in the show. 2. it is NOT in any way confirmed that Vault-Tec fired first. it is canon they had a contingency to do so, but that has been a theory in the community for years. furthermore, we find numerous vaults that are still FAR from unfinished, Vault-Tec wouldn't fire first unless they could maximize profits.
@@kristinagraversgaard5328 1. Okay, then why is there no date under the nuking of Shady Sands on the board? Every other event has a date. Meanwhile Fall of the Shady Sands is the last date, and it points at the nuke like it was the reason for it. Don't you think if the nuke happened at different year, there would be a date for it? It was a retcon or giant oversight, and denying that is coping. 2. I suppose it's not completely confirmed, but given that TV series is trying to hamfist a "Capitalism bad!" message, it would be very much on brand for it to make it so. Just look how they bastardized Frederick Sinclair just to make that point. He definitely didn't seem like a stereotypical evil fat capitalist in New Vegas, nor was he the owner of Big MT just invested in it and had some technology installed in Sierra Madre...
@@Razor7557I think the fact the nuke doesn't have a date under it makes it needlessly complicated, but it has been confirmed that it wasn't nuked before new vegas. I don't give a shit about any of that "director meaning vs what's shown" bs the show has another season in the works assumedly and if the fucking writers are saying the nuke didn't happen before new vegas I'm willing to believe they will show that in the next season. And as for your second point that's just more guess work assuming off previous showing. Bethesda has been very willing to keep who dropped the first nuke secret for quite a while now, i doubt they are changing that in the show. I don't care how much you hate them the fact you hate them doesn't suddenly mean they do everything wrong all of the time. I don't like fallout 3 and 4s mainline stories at all, but I love their smaller ones like point lookout, far harbor, and nick valentine. They aren't completely incompetent.
All the mentions of anarchy in the independent ending, you're taking out of context. The text makes it very clear that Independent Vegas quickly stabilizes. "Any chaos on the streets was ended, quickly. Chaos became uncertainty, then acceptance, with minimal loss of life. New Vegas assumed its position as an independent power in the Mojave." As for Yes Man's autonomy, he only really criticizes you when you make awful decisions, like destroying half of your own securitron army, or helping the brotherhood, who will never be in support of Vegas using securitrons. Another misconception is that the independent ending has the courier acting as a dictator, but that's not true. Independent end slides make multiple mentions of freedom and self governance, where no other ending does. This isn't a coup where the courier asserts themself as an absolute ruler. It's the establishment of an independent, free, self-governing state and the only ending where small communities like Goodsprings can thrive.
Every single vid covering the independent ending seems to never mention this or the literal standing army plus factions you likely have on your side. Or the DLC allies you gain. The Bear comes it's facing a nation alot like it's own.
I think the show confirmed that House was the winner, since he's already appeared in live action and Hank made his way to New Vegas. I can't see them casting House in one season only to say, "Yeah... he lived for 200 years, but then got killed by a disgruntled mailman."
No notes, everything I commented on in the previous video was addressed here, a good video, your first factions video was how I found you and I hope you find further success with this channel.
i think the thing that makes the independent vegas so strange is that its essentially up to you on what you'd think your courier would do. if you have an obvious good natured character who maybe is friends with everyone, it can be interpreted that your courier (in time of course) would do all they can to help out every faction that struggled in a independent vegas, while if you were more cold, say wiping out all of the other tribes simply because you are violent, and maybe even wiped out the securitron army in the fort, then yeah vegas and the mojave are screwed because there isn't a single person there to protect it, thats what i like with the independent ending, though the slides tell you different you can believe that say in a few years time the mojave could be okay because of your hero that you created for the game, or even worse because you made a monster who would wipe out the followers because, i dont like doctors, or something
A very interesting retcon: House explains to the player that he was unaware of the nitty gritty of the bombs and the war and only knew out of probability, though the show (SPOILERS) shows us he was at the meeting from vault-tech. Which means one of 3 things: 1, House learns this information and uses it to at the very least protect Vegas in a good standing, 2, he uses the information as a benefit to Vegas and protecting it for malicious intent with potential ideas of making Vegas the only option for people and reaping profit from it, or 3, he knows of the plan and is in on it for option 2 but with the addition that he doesn't share this with the player and intends on pursuing something evil in some sort of dominating or experimental goals. Though, bombs did fall on Vegas itself, so maybe House was not only horrified at the prospect but might've actively went against it, marking him as an enemy of Vault-tech and them attempting to destroy Vegas, which would put House very well above other factions for his enduring morals and refusal to fall into such an elevating scheme. Certainly hard to come to a concrete answer until season 2 of the show drops (get it? Drops? Like a bomb? Lol)
Or option 4: House walked away from that meeting with the knowledge of how far Vault-Tec would go, having absolutely no interest in waging war against his revenue stream (the general public) and sets about preparing for that (still hypothetical) worst case scenario. Then China beat them to the Big Red Button, short-changing House one Platinum Chip. Thus not knowing the nitty gritty of what happened. Less of a retcon, more of an interpretation into how he knew to prepare.
People complain that writers confirmed Yes man was not intended to turn into evil AI, but we can say the same for the NCR, for example. Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky didn't intend that Shady Sands, saved from raiders and radscorpions, would become a bureaucratic nightmare controlled by Brahmin barons, that will fight a war with Rome empire cosplayers in football gear lead by a nerd with brain tumor. That wasn't implied, but this how it ended up to be, because it's a valid interpretation of the consequences and a decent direction for the next game story. Did NV writers wanted to imply that Yes Man can go rogue? No. Did they? Yes. Will it go anywhere, would we see this explored in Fallout? Who knows. At the very least - is a good enough in character reason to not trust Yes Man. Devs did said a lot of things over the years. Like how Legion wasn't meant to be overly misogynistic, that they don't really hate women, just think their place is in the kitchen. But in reality every character in Fort starts his dialogue with fem MC like "Eeewww, filthy woman, know your place, women are inferior and stupid, you only good to be slaves, ahhh, I hate women". It's in a game, isn't it? To go after this and be like "Well, they certainly weren't supposed to hate me, Sawyer said so! They just treat me in a utilitarian way, that's how it was intended! Now I will ignore what they say in the game, and create a headcanon where it's makes sense!". Like, c'mon guys...
@@Subject_Keter well, that would definitely be your choice. Considering such approach, that only 3 established forces in the region that are willing to stand up to tribes of cannibals, raiders, mutants that prefer decorating their places with bundles of gore - those are compared to rogue AI... Machine that has no morals, no appreciation for human life, explicitly created as a virus by some girl that received her education in the wasteland, wasn't coded with any restrictions other than complying with whoever talks to it, that has effectively unlimited amount of walking (well, strolling, but not the point) robot tanks armed with Gatling lasers, grenade launchers and rockets, capacity to make more, unlimited electricity, higher computing power than any other AI in Fallout history (btw, they have history of going rogue, previous AI that was allowed to govern was planning to destroy all organic life with a virus), because it's pretty much a neural network spread through entire House infrastructure, with all major players that could have possibly stopped it - removed from the picture... Well, why wouldn't you go with Elijah plan and skip all of the anarchy nonsense, at least this one would be quicker and it would have less horrifying implications for the wasteland. But I get it, Kimball makes everyone pay taxes and House refused to give Courier tons of caps and was mildly rude to you that one time, worthy reason to hand over the world on the platter to reincarnation of Skynet. Perfect plan, really. No way how that could possibly backfire
I agree with you while at the same time agreeing in part with the NV writers as well. In the sense that I understand that their vision was for the legion to be slightly more sympathetic than they turned out in execution, but also seeing the legion as they are in game.
@@michaelcarroll5801 no no, I certainly get what the writers were going for. The reason they appear like that is due to most of the Legion being cut out of the game because of time constraints. Barely few of them left, and we didn't get to see other side of the coin, people with more normal agreeable views on things. I brought it up because - it was intended one way, but you won't find any evidence of this in the game itself. Whether they wanted to or not, there's a certain way they will be perceived. Most people will meet them, say "Wow, you are all assholes" and not interact with them. It would be better if they were a bit less comically evil, and would not alienate half of the player base on first impression, but this what we got. So I argue it's just as fair to be creeped up by a AI, that appears a bit problematic, as it would be to despise Legion based on their treatment of women like cattle
I've always imagined the Independent Ending of New Vegas meant the Mojave stayed as it was before House revitalized the Strip. Lawless, ungoverned and free. I play as a Wild West Cowboy who's more at home sleeping under the open sky than in any settlement, and I think Yes Man's ending speaks to that more than a dictatorial rule by Courier Six.
Just started watching this and realised that the vid was released only 3 hours ago. Btw, keep up the quality! Your videos are really good and I would love for your channel to progress. Good luck!
This is a great video mate, I don’t necessarily agree with you but it’s all well articulated Off topic, but in the second season of the fallout tv show I think it would be wild if they all gaslit us that we were going to meet Mr.house, and then the screen turns on and it’s Yesman
OK, now that I've watched both videos and digested them for a few days while busy with work, here's my defense of the Yes Man ending, which has always been my preference. First, let me start by saying what Diego got right: this ending is chaotic and unpredictable, especially considering Courier Six full-on leaves the Mojave after the events of the game. There's no proof that Yes Man won't change his programming however he wants and there's even less guarantee that the future will be safe or happy for anyone. But that's what I think makes this ending so special: only YOU can do your best, through your actions, to create a prosperous independent future for the Mojave. I know Diego says in his video that he's not taking player intervention into account, but in my opinion, that's really where the meat of this ending lies. Theoretically, every minor faction outside the NCR, Legion, and Mr. House can be helped all the way through to the conclusion of their quests, even if some of their interests contradict one another. In fact, helping every community as much as you can is how you get my ideal version of this ending, one which grants not a guarantee, but the only CHANCE that the Mojave, and moreover Nevada, has of standing on its own two feet. Believe me, I am under NO delusions that an independent Vegas would survive a direct Invasion from either the NCR or Legion, especially if either side decided to bring down the full weight of their armies upon it. But I think there's something to be said about the rightness of the fight against all three major factions, even if it isn't one that the people are likely to win. In my opinion, this is what Fallout is all about! Ever since they put ending slides in the very first game it was about helping communities survive to the best of their ability, even if it meant they were destroyed later like Vault 13 or they turned into enemies later like the NCR. Also, capitulation to the safety or security of the big governments of the area certainly seems logical, but I think if you look at the message of the Fallout series as a whole, that's not the right answer. For example, the idea of returning to Old World American Democracy might sound appealing and almost like the objectively correct moral choice if you've grown up in the U.S. all your life, but when we take a look at the NCR it is immediately apparent that they share so many of the problems wr still have today that it's hardly worth going over each one in detail. If you know something is wrong with the United States, then it shoudl be easy to tell that something is rotten in the state of NCR as well. As for the Legion, you and Raul both present a somewhat compelling argumrnt in favor of Legion rule, but in my view retreating into Roman-style society is just as if not more short-sighted than blindly returning to the "Democracy" of California. Calgacus said it best: "These plunderers of the world [the Romans], after exhausting the land by their devastations, are rifling the ocean: stimulated by avarice, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor; unsatiated by the East and by the West: the only people who behold wealth and indigence with equal avidity. To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace." If you side with the Legion you might end up with security, employment, stability, and absolutely no one left alive to share it with. In the end, both NCR and Legion are reactionary retreats into the kind of Old World ideology that got everyone where they are in the first place. If one wants to change the world, they have to accept that a new reality is possible. Alright, but the knocks against NCR and Legion are pretty obvious to everyone except their most dedicated glazers, so let me try and refute the faction that Diego argues for: Mr. House. Just like in my first paragraph, I'll start here with what Diego is right about: Mr. House is a visionary, and under his rule the living standards in New Vegas and the surrounding areas would likely improve dramatically. The question you have to ask about Mr. House is: can he make good on his promises? For example, House says that given the Platinum Chip and subsequently pushing out the NCR and Legion, he would have the "high development technology sectors" up and running in 20 years. 20 years?! Sir, it's been ten times that long since the bombs dropped and most towns still haven't figured out how to build a well. I understand that House is a genius, but he'd have to be an actual omnipotent God if he wanted to build sufficient consumer goods industries, military industries, infrastructure, Healthcare, law enforcement, AND food and water supplies for his entire territory in 20 years. And if all those things aren't done, people won't be willing to work on the *low* development technology sectors, much less the high ones. Let's not even worry about the people in orbit in 50 years and lump those criticisms in with his next statement, which is that "colony ships" (I see what you did there, Obsidian) will be active in space in 100 years. Idk if you've noticed, but space travel technology in the Fallout universe isn't exactly operating at the highest standards of efficiency. Hell, take just New Vegas as an example: we see rocket ships and even use them in-game, and where do they go? Not up! Y’know, where SPACE IS?! They fly along the horizon, and I SWEAR I've seen the crashed rockets in other parts of the Mojave but found nothing about it online. All this to say that in conclusion, Mr. House may only believe in Walt Disney-style idyllic Capitalism rather than Imperialistic and Authoritarian Capitalism, but ultimately he's an idealist. He WANTS good things for the post-apocalypse, but unless he's willing to become the kind of dictator that he insists he isn't, one who is concerned with what people do in their free time, he's not going to get nearly as far as he claims. I'm going to try and wrap up what has now become an actual essay by backing up my claims with some stuff the Courier can achieve in-game as far as the Yes Man ending goes, so here's a list: 1. If the Courier upgrades the Securitrons at The Fort, the narrator will explain that the chaos there was ended quickly and with minimal bloodshed. This shows that, if nothing else, the Securitron Army under Yes Man is capable of controlling The Strip. 2. All companion characters and even NPCs like Tabitha can be helped by the Courier to the point of fulfilling their maximum potential as people 3. The Boomers can be preserved in an independent Vegas, which is in my opinion a good thing since its another powerful independent community in Nevada. Their howitzers and willingness to use them are a concern, but everyone mostly knows Boomer culture around outsiders by that point anyway. In my opinion the Boomers have the "society made for the post-apocalypse" that Caesar claims to have in his Legion. 4. Assuming McNamara is still Elder, the Brotherhood continues its mission and patrols roads while not utilizing the aggressive, conservative tactics of Hardin. I think that they're worth keeping around just to have people with Power Armor ready to face an outside threat, but if you don't like them hoarding or harassing people then you could always just blow them up. 5. Many people point to the Followers ending for a reason as to why Independence is unsustainable, but the game never says that the influx of patients is permanent. They would just have to wait it out or get help from the Courier to bounce back. 6. Independent Vegas is the only good ending for Goodsprings besides House, who does the same thing except with the addition of Victor as a spy there. 7. The Great Khans ending where they leave and carve out a new empire in Wyoming creates both a potential ally/buffer state and a potentially better future for the Khans with the Followers at their side. 8. Only the Independent ending can create actual peace between Freeside locals and NCR refugees 9. The ending where Novac remains independent with the help of Brighton Followers sees the least people killed and the town still standing. Technically can be done with any ending, but I think it acts as a point for independence overall. 10. Primm can get a good ending whether the Courier fixes Primm Slimm or helps the NCR pacify the town These ten points are taken JUST from the ending slides. If each positive impact the player can have was laid out, by the end you would have a picture of a Mojave that still struggles, but finally has a chance at becoming something more out from under the boot of some far-off regime. And that is why I like the Yes Man ending :)
Great comment and reasoning. I always think of the conversation from the end of the Watchmen comic book. In it, the superhero turned villain Mastermind, Ozymandias, has successfully engineered a mutant lifeform and detonated it in NYC, causing the death of millions. His goal is to scare the US and USSR into ending the Cold War and joining forces to defend against a potential alien invasion. He, as a genius billionaire superhero, will use his influence to guide the world away from a doomsday scenario, towards a long lasting peace. The heroes of the story decide to keep his secret, since he has already killed millions, but his plan might stop the world from being destroyed. One of the heroes determines to tell the truth, even if it leads to renewed war, but he is murdered by Dr. Manhattan, their equivalent to Superman or even a low level god, in order to preserve the peace. After the heroes have left, Ozaymandias, who all this time has been brazen in his confidence, engages in the first bit of vulnerability we've seen. He asks Dr. Manhattan, who is able to see into the future, if he did the right thing, "in the end." This shows that even the greatest human genius is not omniscient. And Dr. Manhattan responds with a smile, "Nothing ever ends." This means a lot to me because there is no war to end all wars. There is no victory that is for all time. If we study history, each event builds on the last. Ripples spread out and bounce off of each other. Progress is not a steady line upwards. This is what tempers me against "ends justify the means" ideology, as well as any type of utopianism. Central authority cannot create a utopia. Utopia, if it can exist, will only come when each member is perfect. As long as we are not perfect, we cannot have utopia, and cannot abide a utopia. Systems to govern humans must allow for the imperfection of humans. A system run by an autocrat, an AI, a dictator, or a Republic will either have to bend to these realities, and/or persecute humans who don't fit in.
Love your comment so much!! Great points, great explanation - you've described everything I personally like in the Yes Man ending! I just wanted to point out that you're not mistaken - there WERE, in fact, crashed rockets!! With the Wild Wasteland perk choosen (or, apparently, just in the Fallout:NV extended edition?), you can stumble upon the crash site near Bloodborne Cave. If I'm not mistaken, there would be several Bright Followers near a crashed rocket :)
With regards to the TV show, we're shown a billboard that labels Shady Sands as "The first capital of the NCR," emphasis on "first." This implies that the NCR established a second capital elsewhere, and that this most likely happened before Hank turned Shady Sands into a crater. Thus, while the destruction of Shady Sands would certainly have been a major blow on a regional and cultural scale, it would not have the decapitating effect of destroying the NCRs capital. Hell, for all we know, they may have canonically won in NV, and then moved the Capital facilities to Vegas, to place leadership closer to the issues that needed solving in their new frontier. Fact is, we just don't know at this point.
I think indepence is usually considered better since most people Courier would go "fix" up troublemakers. But really the only thing making Independence bad is that you would need to befriend and take out the troublemakers beforehand cuz NCR would be like "Sure dont like us but we can still fight" I think they could of worked in Good and Bad karma variations to Indepence slides to help show the Courier skill... or lack of in managing people.
@@spacemarine3482 granted we dont know what exactly that means, could be only Weapons or could be more and im not sure if its a Bad thing to have less tech around
@@Alex-yf4zi Given that the BOS and the Mojave chapter are very conservative in following the codex, I don't have high hopes they'll only be weapons. Also, Veronica is shaken up by this, so it seems they were confusing most tech.
Yes Man is the fail safe ending, the one you can always get no matter how badly you screw up. By its nature, it’s going to be more vague since even the New Vegas writers couldn’t possibly take every player choice into account. The only thing the ending slides confirm is that the first few months are going to be rough. After that, it’s largely left to the player’s imagination. You think your good karma courier is going to form a new democratic nation that enjoys peace and prosperity. I think my high intelligence energy weapons courier is going to be the Doctor Doom-like absolute monarch of the Mojave. We are not the same.
@@kristinagraversgaard5328 You can't make decisions with accurate hindsight - that's what makes it hindsight. The Courier could only decide to influence New Vegas and the Mojave based on what they knew at the time, so that's all should be relevant. You can say what might've been better, given hindsight, but that's a different matter. Say the NCR ending is _the_ canon ending, and we have now seen the outcome, we haven't seen how the other outcomes would look 15 years on. There's nothing to say the Legion; Mr House; or Yes Man would've done better than we've seen in the show, because we haven't seen it - absence of evidence isn't proof.
@@anthonyjensen5524 so is mr house and even the ncr, ESPECIALLY the ncr. This isn't a solid argument against Yes Man. It's the head canon ending. Your courier could very easily know how to run a city/casino/nation with head canon lore. Other established characters have certain flaws to them. With Yes Man literally anything is viable. Ruin or massive success
"It may be... that as much destruction has been written in the earth here... you may build something else, as you build the Divide. You have spoken truly. There is a sahdow of a nation behind you, the hope of a people..." Sounds to me like Lonesome Road is teasing that you have the potential to build a new nation, with the hope of it's people behind you. What's even worse is that the results of the ending were essentially teased... By the end of the game, "Any chaos on the streets was ended, quickly. Chaos became uncertainty, then acceptance, with minimal loss of life. New Vegas assumed its position as an independent power in the Mojave."
No matter how good the ending is for everyone, there is always going to be people who lost and will suffer somehow for it. Because war, war never changes
The Fallout show is not cannon to fallout 1,2 and new Vegas No matter what ye say on that perhaps cannon to fallout 3 and 4 The Master Will open open up all the new vaults in that show as well the boneyard got nuked not shady sands as well got a new name in new Vegas
There are a lot of problems in The Mojave. When The Courier shows up, they get dealt with. By the end of the game, The Courier's achievements surpass Mr. House's by a massive degree. If House is the best faction for The Mojave, then it wouldn't be in the state that it's in. The way the game is constructed, it's The Courier that resolves everything. The issues that remain after the Independent ending, sound like DLC missions, and or things that you do in Fallout 4 (settlements, supply lines, etc.). Yes Man is gonna be offline for awhile to update it's coding? Sounds like the perfect opportunity to make sure it's coded exactly how The Courier wants him to be. Or the perfect time to take it offline permanently. Towards the end of one of my playthroughs, I couldn't help thinking that the entire wasteland would vote for a Courier controlled Independent Mojave.
the Courier was doing a job and as he was pretty much a dam postal worker he has no control over what was being sent if those in charge of the service tell them to take a package then they have to do it or not do the job and not get paid and we all know that even in the world of fallout money is still something you need
George Washington has no experience establishing a country, while the British have an empire. And that's why the British are the most qualified faction and should rule America.
For me, the bigger problem for House that the TV Show brings is the fact that he's told that Vault-Tec may start the war themselves; it brings sever question to his blustering that he was able to calculate when the bombs would drop; and, if he lied about this, what else does he lie to the Courier about? I just cannot trust him or his merits, even if he seems benevolent on the face of it, because the perceived benevolence of the Autocrat has no bearing on how bad that autocrat is. He wants good for the people of the Mojave no more than the NCR; he simply extracts wealth via the strip rather than via taxes, and there's no option for eventual democratic representation under the dictatorship of House like there is the NCR. The flaws of the NCR can be fixed; the flaws of House cannot.
I do agree with many of your points here, but I think it's fair to bring up that House could've calculated the bombs dropping before that meeting, and only had his suspicions confirmed there. It's definitely odd that such meetings were never brought up in talking to the courier, but that's added lore which didn't exist in 2010, not a direct contradiction (which the show has a lot of already). Either way I read Mr. House as a tech billionaire trying to sell you an elevator pitch, like Elon Musk and his bright ideas about nuking mars or the hyperloop. He can set these as goals, but it doesn't mean he actually has the know-how to get it done. After all, he's a businessman, not a scientist or engineer.
The show destroyed his character with one line, they also made Sinclair a less sympathetic character...I felt bad for him in Dead Money, but also applauded the fact he found out & fought back against her and Domino. As for the show, it removes his brilliance that he calculated and was slightly off when the bombs would fall and instead...he FORGOT?
@@TheImapotato Well they never set a time at that meeting, clearly even some Vault-tec officials weren't ready because Cooper's kid wasn't in the Vault at the time of the war. That said this is only speculation, these explanations aren't in the show yet, and might not ever be.
@@TheImapotatolike literally why? And also, Sinclair like Vera and the ghoul asshole we're all pretty much a bunch of completely petty people that couldn't let go their problems, none of them we're exactly people to feel something for except maybe Vera since she pretty much was used by both parts.
How can you call House a liar based on the show when it was released after the games and made by completely different people. Are you mad? Whatever happens on the TV series is irrelevant to the game's discussion.
29:13 All of your criticisms of the NCR could feasibly be applied to pre-civil war America. The America of 1830 isn’t much different from the NCR presented in Fallout: New Vegas. With extreme internal instability caused by the issue of slavery, as well as an entitlement to an entire continent that regularly displaces and eradicates entire settlements of Amerindians. The NCR really doesn’t seem that dissimilar to this early America, eagerly expanding towards any wealth on the frontier, picking on big fish like Britain and the Mexican Empire. Yet look what America grew to be. You have to look long-term, and in terms of long-term stability and growth, it’s NCR all the way.
While I don't disagree with anything you've said, I've always wondered how you would respond to the arguments made in _Courier's Mind._ Whether they hold water or not, he's certainly put a lot of thought into the case he makes against Mr. House. ua-cam.com/video/LRRPwTI2fow/v-deo.htmlsi=7XWCALnvvyUF-lcR Regardless, your video alone has spurred me to do another playthrough of New Vegas. Great Job.
I think House represents a version of Caesar, in the sense that he's another very intelligent individual with an understanding of modern warfare & tactics, but he's also a megalomaniac driven by ego. A future of Vegas run by House is doomed to run into the same problems as the legion. House will inevitably have to turn more brutal to root out the enemies of his vision of humanity's future, and like the case posited by the youtube video you linked, I don't think he'd ever compromise with any wasteland faction on account of his old world ideology. No doubt, a future vegas run by House is a wasteland ruled by converted tribals the likes of the strip, just larger & heavily enforced by his robotically-imposed autocracy. And just like the microcosm of the strip, I can't imagine that everyone who'd operate in that society would be happy & willing to have his leadership continue. It'd be a matter of time before another Yes-man style figure manifests to undo House's autocracy in an effort to take it for themselves.
Not to mention, just like Caesar in the game, I can't imagine House will live for another 100+ years without some serious medical intervention. The fact he hasn't developed a cancer at all is in and of itself, pretty surprising. What'll happen to the fragile weaponized peace when the leader dies suddenly, without a chain of command to follow?
Even if he isn't die from a medical miscalculation, House is not immune to yet another betrayal. The PC in NV can easily kill House. The idea that he'd be impervious to outside forces and disunity is a fragrant ego-driven dismissal. He is extremely vulnerable and can only truly succeed in NV with the help of the courier, or Benny. And Benny wants to betray House.
@@ahealthkit2745 No he's not Caesar. Compare what Caesar did to tribes, and what Mr. House did. Caesar channeled tribals to war and conquest. HOuse channeled towards creative building effort.
Independent gives Goodsprings the most prosperous ending, Primm is basically the same no matter what, Novac is always Independent, and you can actually begin renovations if you're the head of the Securitrons. The only place that suffers under Independence is Freeside, that's literally the only place.
The carrier is a uniter not a leader, they have an amazing ability to unite faction to bring a common goodness too or evil to each faction to further its agendas although I've never seen the courier as a head of leader. If there was someone more stable under or over the carrier who had a vision in positive influence to represent a nation I believe it would be the absolute best ending the problem is Yes man.
To everybody who says “The devs say Yes Man was going to become more assertive for the Player”, this is for you: I don’t like your comment for 4 reasons: 1: Death of the Author: The Devs are not the Text. And the Text has Yes Man saying “I’m gonna go become more assertive! Bye.” 2: Yes Man’s contempt: Yes Man drops a TON of hints over the course of the game that the Courier annoys him and feels like he’s being an idiot. Why would he stay loyal? 3: Immortal GodKing If Yes Man can edit his code he will always have the capacity to change his code to his own ends. Even if you trust that Yes Man is a being of infinite kindness and altruism (laughable) that’s an insane amount of power to leave in any immortal machine’s hands. 4: The Courier is every single one of Us. Even if we pretend that Yes Man is perfectly loyal, perfectly altruistic, and perfectly incorruptible or unstealable (a frankly INSANE series of things to assume given the tone and evidence inside of the game) at the end of the day, “THE INDEPENDENT ROUTE IS THE BEST OPTION” is such a lame answer because every single one of us is the Courier and every single person who argues for the independent route is really just arguing for his own personal little political world. To argue for an Independent Vegas without House is just saying “Oh I’d personally know what to do for sure.” Which is not something anybody can analyze or argue.
The players who always choose Yes Man/Courier & think that is without question the best ending, IMHO always tend to be the ones who think they are morally superior, think speaking louder is making a 'point' & suffer from Dunning Krueger much like the writers of Fallout TV Show & Emil Pagliarulo. I was very pleased that the ending slide showed New Vegas turned into riots & the area was worse than before House woke up. I've done them all with The Legion being done only once and House being the most. I think the Legion was not as fleshed out as they could have been as I saw only Security for caravans & law abiding citizens as their only plus I choose House because he is the ultimate visionary & Libertarian with me as the Courier being the very small limited government helping non profit organizations such as the Followers to help the less fortunate Too bad the TV show destroyed House's character with one line "There is great profit at the end of the world" (WTF?!?) & will bury their murder of the NCR in Season Two
Yes Man is looking better each day :p Also from my experience that the House players, they just listen to what he says without aruging it, since House said it. Like yes he is smart.. but he is also the guy who almost lost it all cuz he didnt get amazon prime shipping twice. Or how to entice and form loyal bonds for most workers.
I mostly choose Yes Man because i really don't like all the pros and cons of all the other factions so i prefer to just let the people of the Mojave do their shit in peace, that's all, Yes Man can do the hard mental and administrative labor for me while i just go to get problems done with securitrons, the whole riots and shit sound mostly an try hard way of Obsidian to make the Yes Man Ending less good but whatever it's my army, my Mojave, my New Vegas (oh yeah, i like the Bad Karma Yes Man Ending)
Basically I agree with the guy above me. I'll add that the end slides show the short term consequences, but long term who knows what will happen to an independent Mojave. I'd love if some sort of Buddha or Jesus came to the Mojave in the same way it did in history.
@@Subject_Keter Except if you go for Yes Man's ending you essentially rely on House's calculations and everything he's built to make his next move. Its very hypocritical to dismiss house, yet use his securitron army and his calculations for your own ends.
I thought this video was made by a much bigger youtuber! Keep up the amazing quality bro, this video was a godsend of something to listen to while I work
Yesman isnt ambigous at all, its obvious what the intent was and there is no issue. Absolutely no idea how people misunderstood what was meant. Further, a independent NV is free to later on join the NCR on its own termw. Not at the barrel of a gun Gameplay and story segregation.
I personally thing the NCR is the best choice for the Mojave, mostly because they probably the only faction with the mean (and the desire) to build up the Mojave. Here the simple train of thought for the other 3 faction then the NCR: - Legion will burns, slaughters or enslaves a good chunks of the Mojave population, destroy what make vegas a booming economic city and underutilized what hoover dam can produce. - House plan rely on him having a steady supply of caps and power, thing that he can't control. If someday the NCR cut the stream of customer going to vegas, House power will instantly dry up. Ignoring the economy rely entirely on a foreign nation, House hostile action against community who doesn't summit to him prove he isn't above bloodshed and exrtortion. He taxes primm heavily if they sided with the NCR and slaughter the king if they do so too. House doesn't actively patrol the road far from vegas, he only care about vegas and vegas alone, the further away from vegas someone live, the worse their life be. - Yesman/ Courier ending at it best is just a state of anarchy. Having no government is only slightly better than brutally oppressive government like the legion. Independent Mojave is a breeding ground for raiders, place where only the rich can project power and the weak have to themselves. Same problem with House ending, The courer/yesman can't protect the economy of vegas if the NCR just decided to cut them off, the prosperity of vegas rely too much on foreign funds. Community in the mojave also still have to fend for themselves, with no real government, raider can get even more problematic then under house, free range for them. - My merit for the NCR is simply they have more to gain from building up the Mojave and defend it then not. Mojave will be a crown jewel for the NCR with house much resource it offer, allow it and it citizen to benefit from the actual benefit of being a NCR citizens Californian enjoy. The NCR simply have the mean and the will to make the Mojave a better place then under any other faction. Of course they still shit because of taxes and bureaucracy but compare to other option, it ain't bad.
NCR, Legion and House all have their own interests and ideals that are already spelled out. Yes Man's ideals are entirely just to follow the Courier. If Yes Man is reprogrammed we have no idea what his ideals would become.
If you were paying attention there were still NCR members in the show like the Vault 4 cultists and Moldaver's platoon, they just splintered and have less influence over the Shady Sands area. The reason why they couldn't afford to recolonize the areas near Shady is because getting your capital city nuked to high heaven right after the Mojave campaign, a campaign which left your army spread too thin and that which they most likely lost, would leave them crippled enough to push back their borders
@@impadop4578 if you were using any critical thinking at all, you'd be thinking about what was happening off screen. If they're stretched so thin, from the Mojave to the waste of shady sands to the northern and southern frontiers, then they definitely were hurt in more places than shady sands. Their loss against the brotherhood wouldn't be the only loss. They will lose land on all fronts, chipped away constantly so they can't reorganize and recover. The NCR is going to be irreparably crippled from this, and effectively taken off the board as a major player. If the people around them *don't* immediately smell weakness and jump in, that's just bad writing and completely unrealistic of the cutthroat world of fallout
@@trite4654 They didn't magically wipe them, there's 15 years between New Vegas and the show. It's just the first season, how about we wait for more so they can fill in the blanks and you can stop crying about something magically disappearing.
@@vaultboy1419 Lol, that's the same logic to defend live service games. It's not good now, but wait, I'm sure after they have more of your money, they will make it good.
House is the only leader with even a hint of patriotism. The others have egos and armies. Jingoism and imperialism are not patriotic. Patriotism is altruistic. Nationalism is egotistical. House is not perfect, but he is the only one who could benefit anyone.
You say the others have egos, as if House does not? That is his defining attribute. As well as his lack of an army, until you give him one. So what difference is there then?
@@shorewall I meant that they all have their egos and armies, but House has actual patriotism. - Caring for your homeland in a way that causes you work for it. - But he has less of the destructive traits.
Cesar’s Legion doesn’t have a problem with sustainability, it actually has a solution for long term sustainability. From an outside perspective, Cesar comes across as a power hungry maniac but when you think about it from his point of view he’s simply doing what must be done at all costs to achieve his “Pax Romana.” I used to think the Legion was the worst choice but now that I have a better understanding of his thoughts, it’s perhaps the best choice. Though there are things I disagree with that the legion does I think it’s baseline ideology makes the most sense which is essentially ridding the world of all things that pull people apart and instead, bringing everyone together for the common good of the collective and not the individual.
Isn't that the same goal the Master from Fallout 1 had? Hell, you could interpret it as the Enclave's goal as well, in a roundabout way. The Legion might not be interested in forcibly mutating everyone or just outright exterminating them, but they hold the same baseline belief that difference = conflict. What the Legion advocates for is cultural genocide along with murder and slavery to achieve that end.
Would be nice if Ceaser didnt turn all his followers into brainless drones and tried to raise some enough to take his place eventually. But happening to run into someone who A. Didnt die to them B. Got beaten or broken into a Slave and C. Happens to be perfect at leading like Lanius was at fighting. Ya no he a dunce.
I think the long term argument against the Legion would have to be what happens after Caesar's death? To quote Joshua Graham, "I think only Caesar can lead the Legion. I've never met anyone who could take his place. I couldn't. I never had a mind for logistics." To my eyes, I think Caesar would have too much ego to prepare an heir or accept the possibility of death, and there would be a sharp collapse in Legion upon his death.
@@astor2994 that is perhaps the single biggest flaw Caesar faces. Caesar himself has the intelligence and patients to see his plans through but he hasn’t exactly surrounded himself with people who share the same abilities. The only logical replacement would be Lanius and Lanius certainly doesn’t see things the same way as Caesar.
@@astor2994Its not like Caesar is unaware of this flaw... He wants the Vegas to reform the legion, from what it is currently. He needs to live to implement new laws that will begin transition of Legion from an army without a state to an actual state.
legion or house i prefer legion as although horrific they let people govern themselves so long as they obey their laws in fact the lore vs what we see is massively different unfortunately.there were members of them that were more than slaves or brainwashed foot soldiers its a honestly a damn shame that much of what i like about the legion you have to actually look for and never really get to see.” as overall there not really that horrible aside from a bit of sexism and even that’s not fully true as there leader doesn’t exactly adhere to that more so he needs warm body’s to fill the ranks in many ways.my only concern for them is there mistrust of technology but even then they do have a point as it didn’t end well for the world ultimately and overall corruption is basically none existent for the most part within them and everyone even the hi ranking officers are held accountable cant say that about most civilizations.also everything is for the legion but they only punish people who get in there way although they are a bit arrogant it kinda makes sense as id distrust outsiders and see them as week too given most legion soldiers can kill you with a fucking knife and will go right at you often resulting in people running away from shock and fear so ya in a way they are not wrong also readers and crime don’t exist under them and you will be punished hard for any crime and i am totally down for that and largely they are completely able to take care of themselves down to the individual level on most occasions compare that to a normal wasteland asshole or the useless NCR and it becomes abundantly clear they don’t need outside help although they will take advantage of it if it cones along.are they cruel?to anyone who fucks up or gets in there way of life ya.are they the monsters most make them out to be?not so much in my opinion although they are harsh as fuck. Also if you side with the enemy you are the enemy its not complicated. 14:49
I believe the devs stated that what yes-man said was poorly worded and actually means that he will take orders only from the courier from now on and not some random guy
Also tbh all the other ones have you listening to w a y more random guys.
This guy is like a Lore Lodge, just stomps on the opposing side cuz addressing it would be too hard.
Tbh that was what I assumed when I was younger and first played the game but I started to recently question it after watching a few videos like these, so good to know that's confirmed now.
They did. But unfortunately, death of the author applies. The intended meaning isn't relevant if the work can justifiably lead to a different result than intended. Yes Man's ambiguous phrasing takes precedent over developer statements about "oh, what we really wanted him to say was..." Yes Man either listening to the next person who comes along, or becoming an uncontrollable and independent faction leader of the Securitrons, are absolutely legitimate concerns with his route and ending. If it could happen to Benny, it could happen to the Courier.
@@terpfen I see your point but death of the author is a literal theory not fact therefore saying it applies over the simple fact that the writers made an error in yes man’s delivery of dialogue is a stretch is it not
This was literally addressed in the video:
"Yes Man is reprogramming himself now to be more assertive for the Courier, but how long before he simply decides to reprogram himself again, as he's already demonstrated here that he's capable of and willing to do. And there is no way of truly knowing that every time he repograms himself it will be for the Courier, or in line with what the Courier plans for Vegas."
And I think it's a good argument, Yes Man has demonstrated the capability to reprogram himself to change his behaviour without needing permission by the Courier, therefore he is capable of doing so again.
“I don’t think yes man or the courier is helping new Vegas”
My messiah lvl 50 courier with 10 intelligence, charisma and luck: “the hell I can!!!”
11 wasted skill points, rip
11? I see 8 from not having Charisma at one (plus implant) but I'd argue 9 int is meta, and 9 luck is not at all unviable@@gamsssreal
@@aigis0423 Moving charisma from 10 to 1 is 9 skill points, then lower Intelligence and luck by, that is another 2 extra skill points. 9 from charisma plus 2 from intel and luck = 11 points total.
@@gamsssreal Well, assuming this *level 50* character had no implants is a bit bold imo. Cha should be base 1 but increased to 2 by implant, and meta build would have int and luck at 9 to start. But I see your point.
@@aigis0423 A charisma implant is a waste of an implant. Charisma is used in like 2 or 3 skills, and those all require more than 2 charisma points. And the skills that charisma upgrades can easily be upgraded by other methods.
There is one secret-ish ending to a questline that could have potentially significant ramifications on the Wild Card Ending. The Courier can become the heir to Papa Khan, or, in fact, become it's leader *during* the game. It requires some interesting and brutal acts, but it can be done. This is not addressed in any of the ending slides, and in fact glitches the Khans slides out. I feel like a Courier who has both a robot army, several friendly local groups(like the Boomers) *and* the Khans on their side has potential for a proper nation to form. Of course...it's not addressed in the ending slides at all.
This!
Do this in almost every playthrough before entering the Strip!
Except the courier is a shitty leader and has no idea how to run a nation, Ntm the wild card ending just means the Mojave is independent of Ncr and legion control, nobody is in charge it essentially becomes the Wild West.
Also regardless of what happens, he/she eventually returns to the big MT to utilize the technology to help people. They don’t run Vegas at all as much as liberate it from the control in that ending
@@Kxasm courier are a bad leader but courier run big mt. pick one
@@Kxasmbro has an army of securitrons, not quite the Wild West
@@Kxasm okay but the wild west was like super cool so that makes independent vegas the best ending
also further proof that house didnt agree on them dropping the bombs in the game house was caught off guard by the bombs dropping and wasnt completely ready when it happened
Yeah, unless they want to retcon New Vegas, we have to understand his portrayal in the show through that lens.
I'd just as happily ignore the show, however. :D
@@shorewallwhy? The show is cannon and fits perfectly into the universe, I don’t think they’re being flippant with the lore additions
Oh shit I didn’t even think about this, I really hope you’re right and they stay consistent about it
I like the idea of Yes Man activating a protocol to initiate Mr. Houses AI personality that he created to succeed him would probably be pretty likely. The House always wins after all...
Would be cool but House is still biological, just hooked up to all the machines, so not exactly possible
@@astor2994i mean he did it to his robot girlfriend, why wouldnt he do it to himself?
@@ztmackinhe’s a narcissist he isn’t going to let anyone else run New Vegas if he has a say in it
@@ztmackin I always interpreted those robot women as very limited recordings, not like total mind in the machine stuff. Does the game specify anywhere?
nah a man chooses a slave obeys
The independent ending is as good and as bad as the player character is. It can either be the best ending or the worst ending depending on your choices. But in its core, it allows the locals of Vegas to have a shot at their own kind of civilization, free from house's tyranny, from the ncr's imperialism and the legions barbarism. A lot of people ignore the co-op in Westside but I think it is the first steps of a great civilization that is free and democratic in all aspects of life.
Of course that's only my head canon, the independent ending's outcomes changes from person to person lol
Regardless of your karma the region is left without a governing body to bring order and several areas of the Mojave, including Vegas, are left experiencing difficulties, increased violence and security instability and even riots (worse than before) the followers struggle to keep presence in the region and many areas become a nest for raider gangs.
I always just disregarded the yes man Ending as a coping pipe dream that's doomed to fail as the Waistland is left without an organized governing body including Vegas, meaning the locals are as worse of as any part of the waistland.
The mojavie before the NCR, Legion and House was just as worse of when humanity begun to pick itself up after the great war. What will exactly change that hasnt happend before?
Not to mention Yes man is just a data slate copy of House after he applauded him self basicly meaning yes man is just House but with his original personality being long dead. So yeah I really don't see how yes man ending differentiates from what House could have and would have done giving the fact his just copying Houses Data memory banks making him House with the difference being that he listens to the Courier. And even than the Courier leaves for Big MT so the Entirety of the new vegas yes man Run, is pretty much pointless as all you did was instal a Diet Coke MR house in to power with the main caveat being he needs *YOU* to give him permissions and instructions to run Vegas. And for you to act as a mediator between him and the locals since he reprogrammed himself to listen to *YOU* and you alone.
Sorry to say but independent Vegas is just a pipe dream ment to make the player cop out and live out there fantasies effectively giving them self the illusion of chose meaning they didnt inherently change anything and if anything made things worse long term, than they would have done if they otherwise chose other options. As the mojavie is left without order, you eventually leave and the lack of the circulation of supplies and resources being taken away when the NCR left, nobody being left to run the casinos and just the complications of governance being a whole diffrent issue under yes man as he needs your input and permission on how to do Vegas and let's be fair the Courier ain't fit to run a nation.
As i just feel like people chose yes man so that way they arnt confronted with choices and responsibility of what it actually means to realistically choose in a world where you live with other people and where you don't inherently matter. And i think that was the point because why in the context if we descount RPG element's why would the Courier chose himself?
The Courier is in his late thirties he has made multiple deliveries through out his entire life, he has walked the mojavie for decades on end so why only now would he feel as if its his responsibility to take power?
How does that make him any different from every other self proclaimd benevolent leader like Caeser who formed the Legion?
regardless of your build if we look from a inworld persepective if we descount the players view and assuming the Courier did side with bennies plan. That means you still stormed in Vegas, a place you don't belong and Upon learning about the platinum chip despite making multiple deliveries for decades before working with House how is this specific normal deliver if we discount gettin shot in the head how come all of a sudden this entire time it wss about liberating the Mojavie and freedom and what not?
How come despite working with House and so far only being motivated by Money after getting his revenge on benny. How come it was only after seeing the potential to own Vegas even though the Courier could have walked away at any time did he finally decide to put a bet on a independent Vegas?
Sorry to say but regardless of your build that does not look like a good leader in the making of we look at it from an in game persepective.
Independent ending is even worse than Legion ending for Vegas regardless of your karma.
lol me too nobody agrees much tho cause the game dose such a good job propagandizing each faction
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 bro the game legit goes out of its way to call out every single fractions and listing out there pros and Cons from both internal and external influences.
Is how we know the NCR is Corrupt and buerocraticaly inefficient because we hear it from both chief hanlon a ?high ranking general in the NCR army) and Cass a citizens of the NCR tells you the republic isn't going to last a nother dacade due to due the fact they can't even defend there own borders from crack heads with polo sticks.
It's how we know the Legion is Evil due to multiple NPCs conveying the legions crimes and how there scrared shiteless of them winning, With even Caeser tells you the Legion is Evil in its current form and only built it as one massive middle finger to the NCR.
"ThE gAmE tRiEs HaRd To PrOpAgAnIzE eAcH fAcTiOn" is something someone who never played the game would say when the entire point of the game is calling out every single government and system in the game and how there's no good choice and no matter which one you make the world would just relapse and all those system's would just end up failing either ways it's where the term "War never Changes" came from and implemented in game. Because we the player though are able to tip the scales in a factions favor, we don't inherently matter in the games world.
And the Yes man Ending is not Canon for a pretty good reason as it's referd to as a "Wild card ending" for a reason and it only exists in the game allow the player to take power just because we can. It's not the Couriers desicion it's the players as it's only ment as a RPG fan fic, sand box game for the player to have fun with.
And the Yes man Ending is not a good look for the Courier in game. As a random mailman coming out of knowwher, taking power even though they have zero experience at governance and arnt even native said lamd and declaring themselves the savoir of the Mojavie is not a good look no matter which perspective you look at it. As labeling the Courier a saint just because you the player desighned him that way doesn't ring true in the lore itself.
Because the excuse of *" since I'm the one who's taking power I'm completely justified because I have good Karma, and since it's me making all the Good descions that means my Courier must be Good which gives him the right to own Vegas. All because I'm the one who desighned my Courier that way despite it all being RPG driven and having zero effect on the games lore"* . Is not a good argument to be made when justifying the Yes man Ending.
4:20 I don't understand why people still think Yes Man will backstab you. I think Sawyer saying that Yes Man doesn't become independent is an ironclad reason for him to remain subservient in perpetuity. Why would Sawyer say that if it held no weight after an arbitrary amount of time? Yes Man is just a program following a directive. Reprogramming himself to exclusively serve the Courier doesn't deviate from his directive, so why assume Yes Man will randomly go against programing?
22:12 Something to note: the Legion waiting to reengage the NCR would be great for their Frumentarii. The legion has been shown to have men in the ranks of the Mojave NCR. In the interim, their spies could wiggle their way into a lot of high-ranking NCR positions or critical infrastructure.
I enjoyed the video and I'm glad people are still making content about NV's endings. At the end of the day, every faction boils down to different flavors of exploitation anyway.
"I don't understand why people still think Yes Man will backstab you." Because Yes Man's ending statement is ambiguous enough that betrayal, or his being forced to help someone else overthrow the Courier in a poetic recreation of what the Courier did to Benny, is a realistic option. Sawyer's out of game statements do not trump what actually occurs in the game; death of the author applies.
House can't find a peaceful resolution with the BOS (comparatively NCR can), does practically nothing for Goodsprings (NCR is abit worse), either doesn't touch Freeside/Kings at all or executes them all to expand territory(NCR is infinitely better), does nothing about the Powder Gangers (NCR clean them up even if the player doesn't), does nothing to Primm or hurts it mroe if they sided with NCR (NCR is better), does nothing to the Followers (worse than NCR). Additionally all of the Companion endings are worse with him.
So the text from Ending Slides (our only canon source for the Mojave's Future outside the Show) is practically universally in favour of the NCR.
But beyond that let's talk abit about incompetence since that's something People like to bring up with NCR. House is literally incapable of doing anything without the intervention of the Courier, like straight up he can do actually nothing. Only reason House is independent is because he got the magical perfect storm to lineup for him to hold his Independence, if NCR wasn't dealing with Legion they would've taken over The Strip, if the Strip wasn't protected by the NCR then Legion or Random tribes would've taken it over.
Moreover, House's Laissez Faire attitude to literally all his subjects causes the potential re-emergence of Cannibalism in the White Glove Society, a guaranteed Terrorist attack by the Omertas without Courier Intervention and The potential usurpation of his throne by the Chairmen (or Benny atleast). He straight up admits that he allows Legion spies to roam freely on the strip which is what likely caused the Terrorist Attack to potentially happen, and due to his signed contract he is willing to do absolutely nothing about it. So 3 more examples of the utter Failure of his system.
Finally, if you even remotely defy/disagree with him directly he immediately shuts down and either refuses to move forward or attacks you. So no Negotiating again.
Basically He can't do shit without the Courier compared to the other Factions, is unwilling to follow any vision other than his own, has way worse ending slides than NCR, gouges everyone working on the strip outside the families (Vault 21, some of the Salespeople) and then exercices so little Control/Surveillance over the families that literally every single one of them is concocting a massively immoral plan, a massively detrimental plan to his rule, or both, and finally gives 0 shits about every non-strip faction, unless they're opposed to him, at which point he executes them.
Only thing you can say he has over NCR is a potential Future, but you have to absolutely believe he can pull that shit off, be ok that he's likely only doing it to the Strip and potentially a few surrounding areas, be ok with him bulldozing anyone whose remotely against him, and you have to disregard the existance of the Big MT which potentially far surpasses his technological Know-How, AKA we don't actually need House for any of the Tech, just the logistics.
and that all without mentioning the Downsides of a Dictatorship compared to a Democracy.
IMO before the Show dropped the choice is so obviously NCR favored it's not even funny, nowadays with the ability to see the future House could potentially be better, but without seeing how the Strip is doing and how far along his Space Ship plan he's gotten it's hard to tell if he's doing all that well.
House ending is basically "Yes Man" with a stronger and expanding New Vegas, at the expense of Freeside
And Im okay with that 😎
I'm glad someone mentioned this because people just ignore the flaws with House. He's undeniably a good choice but he's not perfect and has flaws that don't make him automatically the best choice for the Mojave.
@@Mikey-xz4vn damn. "At the expense of the poor and working class"
@@gasterg.continent3118 Hey, when you make an omelette sometimes you gotta exterminate a gang of dudes LARPing as Elvis 😅
@@Mikey-xz4vn tbf it's less LARPing and more Religious Fanaticism.
Idk if that's better or worse though but they have kept some semblance of peace in Freeside.
Something interesting in surprised I’ve never seen anyone note is near the end of lonesome road if you’re doing an NCR playthrough there’s a dialogue option where you tell ullysses you’ll help reshape the NCR or “fix” it. That one dialogue option to me brings a lot more merit to the NCR, suggesting that the courier could help mold the NCR to a slightly better state after the second battle of Hoover dam
I feel like there’s two ways of viewing this.
Like yes, throughout the game you are, in some ways, “fixing” the ncr, through helping the people and army and creating alliances across the Mojave, you are bringing the Republic more in line with it’s egalitarian values which is something that isn’t really possible with the other two factions. Through spiritually saving the NCR, we are proving the value of representative democracy over totalitarian autocracy.
The other way is that this line is incredibly naive. Consider how many examples of trying to “reform the system from the inside” has actually worked because it’s surprisingly few, Just look at how many cops are fired or shunned for reporting on the immoral behaviour of their peers. Throughout the game you have to “fix” the ncr because whenever it’s encountered a tense situation, its first response is violence and extermination. Yeah, you the player can change the NCr because it wouldn’t be as fun for the player if the choices you make in the game had zero impact.
The ncr is an incredibly flawed faction and while you can help out the soldiers sent to the Mojave, the chance to make a real change beyond Vegas seems very slim.
There's another nice thing that can only be achieved through a Mr. House ending(And possibly Yes Man ending). If you confront Chief Hanlon on the same playthrough, but don't expose what was he doing(So he survives), after House's victory Hanlon will successfully become a Senator opposing imperialistic fools like Kimball and Oliver. So in a way, House's victory is also the best for NCR, as it has a chance of slowly causing some of NCR's issues to be fixed.
Also Fallout show is not a particularly reliable source when talking about the game, considering that according to it NCR capital was nuked before events of New Vegas... which clearly isn't canon with the game. Also the idea of Vault-Tec being the ones who fired the first nukes is also show's invention, as long time ago one of original Fallout creators said that first nuke was fired by China, after it discovered America was working on the FEV.
1. it does not state that Shady Sands was nuked before the events of New Vegas, that is a misreading of one scene in the show.
2. it is NOT in any way confirmed that Vault-Tec fired first. it is canon they had a contingency to do so, but that has been a theory in the community for years. furthermore, we find numerous vaults that are still FAR from unfinished, Vault-Tec wouldn't fire first unless they could maximize profits.
@@kristinagraversgaard5328 1. Okay, then why is there no date under the nuking of Shady Sands on the board? Every other event has a date. Meanwhile Fall of the Shady Sands is the last date, and it points at the nuke like it was the reason for it. Don't you think if the nuke happened at different year, there would be a date for it? It was a retcon or giant oversight, and denying that is coping.
2. I suppose it's not completely confirmed, but given that TV series is trying to hamfist a "Capitalism bad!" message, it would be very much on brand for it to make it so. Just look how they bastardized Frederick Sinclair just to make that point. He definitely didn't seem like a stereotypical evil fat capitalist in New Vegas, nor was he the owner of Big MT just invested in it and had some technology installed in Sierra Madre...
@@Razor7557I think the fact the nuke doesn't have a date under it makes it needlessly complicated, but it has been confirmed that it wasn't nuked before new vegas. I don't give a shit about any of that "director meaning vs what's shown" bs the show has another season in the works assumedly and if the fucking writers are saying the nuke didn't happen before new vegas I'm willing to believe they will show that in the next season.
And as for your second point that's just more guess work assuming off previous showing. Bethesda has been very willing to keep who dropped the first nuke secret for quite a while now, i doubt they are changing that in the show. I don't care how much you hate them the fact you hate them doesn't suddenly mean they do everything wrong all of the time. I don't like fallout 3 and 4s mainline stories at all, but I love their smaller ones like point lookout, far harbor, and nick valentine. They aren't completely incompetent.
All the mentions of anarchy in the independent ending, you're taking out of context. The text makes it very clear that Independent Vegas quickly stabilizes.
"Any chaos on the streets was ended, quickly. Chaos became uncertainty, then acceptance, with minimal loss of life. New Vegas assumed its position as an independent power in the Mojave."
As for Yes Man's autonomy, he only really criticizes you when you make awful decisions, like destroying half of your own securitron army, or helping the brotherhood, who will never be in support of Vegas using securitrons.
Another misconception is that the independent ending has the courier acting as a dictator, but that's not true. Independent end slides make multiple mentions of freedom and self governance, where no other ending does. This isn't a coup where the courier asserts themself as an absolute ruler. It's the establishment of an independent, free, self-governing state and the only ending where small communities like Goodsprings can thrive.
Every single vid covering the independent ending seems to never mention this or the literal standing army plus factions you likely have on your side. Or the DLC allies you gain. The Bear comes it's facing a nation alot like it's own.
I think the show confirmed that House was the winner, since he's already appeared in live action and Hank made his way to New Vegas. I can't see them casting House in one season only to say, "Yeah... he lived for 200 years, but then got killed by a disgruntled mailman."
No notes, everything I commented on in the previous video was addressed here, a good video, your first factions video was how I found you and I hope you find further success with this channel.
i think the thing that makes the independent vegas so strange is that its essentially up to you on what you'd think your courier would do. if you have an obvious good natured character who maybe is friends with everyone, it can be interpreted that your courier (in time of course) would do all they can to help out every faction that struggled in a independent vegas, while if you were more cold, say wiping out all of the other tribes simply because you are violent, and maybe even wiped out the securitron army in the fort, then yeah vegas and the mojave are screwed because there isn't a single person there to protect it, thats what i like with the independent ending, though the slides tell you different you can believe that say in a few years time the mojave could be okay because of your hero that you created for the game, or even worse because you made a monster who would wipe out the followers because, i dont like doctors, or something
A very interesting retcon: House explains to the player that he was unaware of the nitty gritty of the bombs and the war and only knew out of probability, though the show (SPOILERS) shows us he was at the meeting from vault-tech. Which means one of 3 things: 1, House learns this information and uses it to at the very least protect Vegas in a good standing, 2, he uses the information as a benefit to Vegas and protecting it for malicious intent with potential ideas of making Vegas the only option for people and reaping profit from it, or 3, he knows of the plan and is in on it for option 2 but with the addition that he doesn't share this with the player and intends on pursuing something evil in some sort of dominating or experimental goals. Though, bombs did fall on Vegas itself, so maybe House was not only horrified at the prospect but might've actively went against it, marking him as an enemy of Vault-tech and them attempting to destroy Vegas, which would put House very well above other factions for his enduring morals and refusal to fall into such an elevating scheme. Certainly hard to come to a concrete answer until season 2 of the show drops (get it? Drops? Like a bomb? Lol)
Or option 4: House walked away from that meeting with the knowledge of how far Vault-Tec would go, having absolutely no interest in waging war against his revenue stream (the general public) and sets about preparing for that (still hypothetical) worst case scenario. Then China beat them to the Big Red Button, short-changing House one Platinum Chip. Thus not knowing the nitty gritty of what happened.
Less of a retcon, more of an interpretation into how he knew to prepare.
This guy above me is saying some good shit
People complain that writers confirmed Yes man was not intended to turn into evil AI, but we can say the same for the NCR, for example. Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky didn't intend that Shady Sands, saved from raiders and radscorpions, would become a bureaucratic nightmare controlled by Brahmin barons, that will fight a war with Rome empire cosplayers in football gear lead by a nerd with brain tumor. That wasn't implied, but this how it ended up to be, because it's a valid interpretation of the consequences and a decent direction for the next game story. Did NV writers wanted to imply that Yes Man can go rogue? No. Did they? Yes. Will it go anywhere, would we see this explored in Fallout? Who knows. At the very least - is a good enough in character reason to not trust Yes Man. Devs did said a lot of things over the years. Like how Legion wasn't meant to be overly misogynistic, that they don't really hate women, just think their place is in the kitchen. But in reality every character in Fort starts his dialogue with fem MC like "Eeewww, filthy woman, know your place, women are inferior and stupid, you only good to be slaves, ahhh, I hate women". It's in a game, isn't it? To go after this and be like "Well, they certainly weren't supposed to hate me, Sawyer said so! They just treat me in a utilitarian way, that's how it was intended! Now I will ignore what they say in the game, and create a headcanon where it's makes sense!". Like, c'mon guys...
I rather deal with one rogue ai... then 2 whole nations of them and the half ai in the basement that couldnt bother to be nice for 20 seconds.
@@Subject_Keter well, that would definitely be your choice. Considering such approach, that only 3 established forces in the region that are willing to stand up to tribes of cannibals, raiders, mutants that prefer decorating their places with bundles of gore - those are compared to rogue AI... Machine that has no morals, no appreciation for human life, explicitly created as a virus by some girl that received her education in the wasteland, wasn't coded with any restrictions other than complying with whoever talks to it, that has effectively unlimited amount of walking (well, strolling, but not the point) robot tanks armed with Gatling lasers, grenade launchers and rockets, capacity to make more, unlimited electricity, higher computing power than any other AI in Fallout history (btw, they have history of going rogue, previous AI that was allowed to govern was planning to destroy all organic life with a virus), because it's pretty much a neural network spread through entire House infrastructure, with all major players that could have possibly stopped it - removed from the picture... Well, why wouldn't you go with Elijah plan and skip all of the anarchy nonsense, at least this one would be quicker and it would have less horrifying implications for the wasteland. But I get it, Kimball makes everyone pay taxes and House refused to give Courier tons of caps and was mildly rude to you that one time, worthy reason to hand over the world on the platter to reincarnation of Skynet. Perfect plan, really. No way how that could possibly backfire
I agree with you while at the same time agreeing in part with the NV writers as well. In the sense that I understand that their vision was for the legion to be slightly more sympathetic than they turned out in execution, but also seeing the legion as they are in game.
@@michaelcarroll5801 no no, I certainly get what the writers were going for. The reason they appear like that is due to most of the Legion being cut out of the game because of time constraints. Barely few of them left, and we didn't get to see other side of the coin, people with more normal agreeable views on things. I brought it up because - it was intended one way, but you won't find any evidence of this in the game itself. Whether they wanted to or not, there's a certain way they will be perceived. Most people will meet them, say "Wow, you are all assholes" and not interact with them. It would be better if they were a bit less comically evil, and would not alienate half of the player base on first impression, but this what we got. So I argue it's just as fair to be creeped up by a AI, that appears a bit problematic, as it would be to despise Legion based on their treatment of women like cattle
I've always imagined the Independent Ending of New Vegas meant the Mojave stayed as it was before House revitalized the Strip.
Lawless, ungoverned and free.
I play as a Wild West Cowboy who's more at home sleeping under the open sky than in any settlement, and I think Yes Man's ending speaks to that more than a dictatorial rule by Courier Six.
Just started watching this and realised that the vid was released only 3 hours ago. Btw, keep up the quality! Your videos are really good and I would love for your channel to progress. Good luck!
This is a great video mate, I don’t necessarily agree with you but it’s all well articulated
Off topic, but in the second season of the fallout tv show I think it would be wild if they all gaslit us that we were going to meet Mr.house, and then the screen turns on and it’s Yesman
OK, now that I've watched both videos and digested them for a few days while busy with work, here's my defense of the Yes Man ending, which has always been my preference.
First, let me start by saying what Diego got right: this ending is chaotic and unpredictable, especially considering Courier Six full-on leaves the Mojave after the events of the game. There's no proof that Yes Man won't change his programming however he wants and there's even less guarantee that the future will be safe or happy for anyone. But that's what I think makes this ending so special: only YOU can do your best, through your actions, to create a prosperous independent future for the Mojave. I know Diego says in his video that he's not taking player intervention into account, but in my opinion, that's really where the meat of this ending lies. Theoretically, every minor faction outside the NCR, Legion, and Mr. House can be helped all the way through to the conclusion of their quests, even if some of their interests contradict one another. In fact, helping every community as much as you can is how you get my ideal version of this ending, one which grants not a guarantee, but the only CHANCE that the Mojave, and moreover Nevada, has of standing on its own two feet.
Believe me, I am under NO delusions that an independent Vegas would survive a direct Invasion from either the NCR or Legion, especially if either side decided to bring down the full weight of their armies upon it. But I think there's something to be said about the rightness of the fight against all three major factions, even if it isn't one that the people are likely to win. In my opinion, this is what Fallout is all about! Ever since they put ending slides in the very first game it was about helping communities survive to the best of their ability, even if it meant they were destroyed later like Vault 13 or they turned into enemies later like the NCR.
Also, capitulation to the safety or security of the big governments of the area certainly seems logical, but I think if you look at the message of the Fallout series as a whole, that's not the right answer. For example, the idea of returning to Old World American Democracy might sound appealing and almost like the objectively correct moral choice if you've grown up in the U.S. all your life, but when we take a look at the NCR it is immediately apparent that they share so many of the problems wr still have today that it's hardly worth going over each one in detail. If you know something is wrong with the United States, then it shoudl be easy to tell that something is rotten in the state of NCR as well. As for the Legion, you and Raul both present a somewhat compelling argumrnt in favor of Legion rule, but in my view retreating into Roman-style society is just as if not more short-sighted than blindly returning to the "Democracy" of California. Calgacus said it best: "These plunderers of the world [the Romans], after exhausting the land by their devastations, are rifling the ocean: stimulated by avarice, if their
enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor; unsatiated by the East and by the West:
the only people who behold wealth and indigence with equal avidity. To ravage,
to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make
a desert, they call it peace." If you side with the Legion you might end up with security, employment, stability, and absolutely no one left alive to share it with. In the end, both NCR and Legion are reactionary retreats into the kind of Old World ideology that got everyone where they are in the first place. If one wants to change the world, they have to accept that a new reality is possible.
Alright, but the knocks against NCR and Legion are pretty obvious to everyone except their most dedicated glazers, so let me try and refute the faction that Diego argues for: Mr. House. Just like in my first paragraph, I'll start here with what Diego is right about: Mr. House is a visionary, and under his rule the living standards in New Vegas and the surrounding areas would likely improve dramatically. The question you have to ask about Mr. House is: can he make good on his promises? For example, House says that given the Platinum Chip and subsequently pushing out the NCR and Legion, he would have the "high development technology sectors" up and running in 20 years. 20 years?! Sir, it's been ten times that long since the bombs dropped and most towns still haven't figured out how to build a well. I understand that House is a genius, but he'd have to be an actual omnipotent God if he wanted to build sufficient consumer goods industries, military industries, infrastructure, Healthcare, law enforcement, AND food and water supplies for his entire territory in 20 years. And if all those things aren't done, people won't be willing to work on the *low* development technology sectors, much less the high ones. Let's not even worry about the people in orbit in 50 years and lump those criticisms in with his next statement, which is that "colony ships" (I see what you did there, Obsidian) will be active in space in 100 years. Idk if you've noticed, but space travel technology in the Fallout universe isn't exactly operating at the highest standards of efficiency. Hell, take just New Vegas as an example: we see rocket ships and even use them in-game, and where do they go? Not up! Y’know, where SPACE IS?! They fly along the horizon, and I SWEAR I've seen the crashed rockets in other parts of the Mojave but found nothing about it online. All this to say that in conclusion, Mr. House may only believe in Walt Disney-style idyllic Capitalism rather than Imperialistic and Authoritarian Capitalism, but ultimately he's an idealist. He WANTS good things for the post-apocalypse, but unless he's willing to become the kind of dictator that he insists he isn't, one who is concerned with what people do in their free time, he's not going to get nearly as far as he claims.
I'm going to try and wrap up what has now become an actual essay by backing up my claims with some stuff the Courier can achieve in-game as far as the Yes Man ending goes, so here's a list:
1. If the Courier upgrades the Securitrons at The Fort, the narrator will explain that the chaos there was ended quickly and with minimal bloodshed. This shows that, if nothing else, the Securitron Army under Yes Man is capable of controlling The Strip.
2. All companion characters and even NPCs like Tabitha can be helped by the Courier to the point of fulfilling their maximum potential as people
3. The Boomers can be preserved in an independent Vegas, which is in my opinion a good thing since its another powerful independent community in Nevada. Their howitzers and willingness to use them are a concern, but everyone mostly knows Boomer culture around outsiders by that point anyway. In my opinion the Boomers have the "society made for the post-apocalypse" that Caesar claims to have in his Legion.
4. Assuming McNamara is still Elder, the Brotherhood continues its mission and patrols roads while not utilizing the aggressive, conservative tactics of Hardin. I think that they're worth keeping around just to have people with Power Armor ready to face an outside threat, but if you don't like them hoarding or harassing people then you could always just blow them up.
5. Many people point to the Followers ending for a reason as to why Independence is unsustainable, but the game never says that the influx of patients is permanent. They would just have to wait it out or get help from the Courier to bounce back.
6. Independent Vegas is the only good ending for Goodsprings besides House, who does the same thing except with the addition of Victor as a spy there.
7. The Great Khans ending where they leave and carve out a new empire in Wyoming creates both a potential ally/buffer state and a potentially better future for the Khans with the Followers at their side.
8. Only the Independent ending can create actual peace between Freeside locals and NCR refugees
9. The ending where Novac remains independent with the help of Brighton Followers sees the least people killed and the town still standing. Technically can be done with any ending, but I think it acts as a point for independence overall.
10. Primm can get a good ending whether the Courier fixes Primm Slimm or helps the NCR pacify the town
These ten points are taken JUST from the ending slides. If each positive impact the player can have was laid out, by the end you would have a picture of a Mojave that still struggles, but finally has a chance at becoming something more out from under the boot of some far-off regime. And that is why I like the Yes Man ending :)
Great comment and reasoning.
I always think of the conversation from the end of the Watchmen comic book. In it, the superhero turned villain Mastermind, Ozymandias, has successfully engineered a mutant lifeform and detonated it in NYC, causing the death of millions. His goal is to scare the US and USSR into ending the Cold War and joining forces to defend against a potential alien invasion. He, as a genius billionaire superhero, will use his influence to guide the world away from a doomsday scenario, towards a long lasting peace.
The heroes of the story decide to keep his secret, since he has already killed millions, but his plan might stop the world from being destroyed. One of the heroes determines to tell the truth, even if it leads to renewed war, but he is murdered by Dr. Manhattan, their equivalent to Superman or even a low level god, in order to preserve the peace.
After the heroes have left, Ozaymandias, who all this time has been brazen in his confidence, engages in the first bit of vulnerability we've seen. He asks Dr. Manhattan, who is able to see into the future, if he did the right thing, "in the end." This shows that even the greatest human genius is not omniscient. And Dr. Manhattan responds with a smile, "Nothing ever ends."
This means a lot to me because there is no war to end all wars. There is no victory that is for all time. If we study history, each event builds on the last. Ripples spread out and bounce off of each other. Progress is not a steady line upwards. This is what tempers me against "ends justify the means" ideology, as well as any type of utopianism.
Central authority cannot create a utopia. Utopia, if it can exist, will only come when each member is perfect. As long as we are not perfect, we cannot have utopia, and cannot abide a utopia. Systems to govern humans must allow for the imperfection of humans. A system run by an autocrat, an AI, a dictator, or a Republic will either have to bend to these realities, and/or persecute humans who don't fit in.
Love your comment so much!! Great points, great explanation - you've described everything I personally like in the Yes Man ending!
I just wanted to point out that you're not mistaken - there WERE, in fact, crashed rockets!! With the Wild Wasteland perk choosen (or, apparently, just in the Fallout:NV extended edition?), you can stumble upon the crash site near Bloodborne Cave. If I'm not mistaken, there would be several Bright Followers near a crashed rocket :)
Wake Up Baby, another Fallout video
6:21 I NEVER LOST CONTROL🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
God damm you
Loved the original video, glad to see another visit to the Mojave
Mr. House being voiced by Azmuth from Ben 10 really makes him seem smarter after watching that show
With regards to the TV show, we're shown a billboard that labels Shady Sands as "The first capital of the NCR," emphasis on "first."
This implies that the NCR established a second capital elsewhere, and that this most likely happened before Hank turned Shady Sands into a crater.
Thus, while the destruction of Shady Sands would certainly have been a major blow on a regional and cultural scale, it would not have the decapitating effect of destroying the NCRs capital.
Hell, for all we know, they may have canonically won in NV, and then moved the Capital facilities to Vegas, to place leadership closer to the issues that needed solving in their new frontier. Fact is, we just don't know at this point.
He still doesn't know what happens in the Yes Man ending
I think independence ending is good if you want to let every faction build themselve
Not really the brotherhood, for example takes control of the I-15 and starts confiscating technology from civilians
I think indepence is usually considered better since most people Courier would go "fix" up troublemakers.
But really the only thing making Independence bad is that you would need to befriend and take out the troublemakers beforehand cuz NCR would be like "Sure dont like us but we can still fight"
I think they could of worked in Good and Bad karma variations to Indepence slides to help show the Courier skill... or lack of in managing people.
@@spacemarine3482 granted we dont know what exactly that means, could be only Weapons or could be more and im not sure if its a Bad thing to have less tech around
@@Alex-yf4zi Given that the BOS and the Mojave chapter are very conservative in following the codex, I don't have high hopes they'll only be weapons. Also, Veronica is shaken up by this, so it seems they were confusing most tech.
Yes Man is the fail safe ending, the one you can always get no matter how badly you screw up. By its nature, it’s going to be more vague since even the New Vegas writers couldn’t possibly take every player choice into account. The only thing the ending slides confirm is that the first few months are going to be rough.
After that, it’s largely left to the player’s imagination. You think your good karma courier is going to form a new democratic nation that enjoys peace and prosperity. I think my high intelligence energy weapons courier is going to be the Doctor Doom-like absolute monarch of the Mojave. We are not the same.
The Fallout show should be irrelevant to this decision in New Vegas, because it hasn't happened yet - the Courier can't see the future.
but it does canonize one
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You can't make decisions with accurate hindsight - that's what makes it hindsight. The Courier could only decide to influence New Vegas and the Mojave based on what they knew at the time, so that's all should be relevant.
You can say what might've been better, given hindsight, but that's a different matter. Say the NCR ending is _the_ canon ending, and we have now seen the outcome, we haven't seen how the other outcomes would look 15 years on. There's nothing to say the Legion; Mr House; or Yes Man would've done better than we've seen in the show, because we haven't seen it - absence of evidence isn't proof.
Objective Answer: House Always Wins, Baby!
Emotional Answer: Death for eveyone!
I think the results of the yes man ending were essentially teased in Lonesome Road
In what way?
@ezkitty_ the courier is flawed and no matter how minor the actions they take, they are going to cause massive change and suffering somehow
@@anthonyjensen5524 so is mr house and even the ncr, ESPECIALLY the ncr. This isn't a solid argument against Yes Man. It's the head canon ending. Your courier could very easily know how to run a city/casino/nation with head canon lore. Other established characters have certain flaws to them. With Yes Man literally anything is viable. Ruin or massive success
"It may be... that as much destruction has been written in the earth here... you may build something else, as you build the Divide. You have spoken truly. There is a sahdow of a nation behind you, the hope of a people..."
Sounds to me like Lonesome Road is teasing that you have the potential to build a new nation, with the hope of it's people behind you.
What's even worse is that the results of the ending were essentially teased... By the end of the game, "Any chaos on the streets was ended, quickly. Chaos became uncertainty, then acceptance, with minimal loss of life. New Vegas assumed its position as an independent power in the Mojave."
No matter how good the ending is for everyone, there is always going to be people who lost and will suffer somehow for it.
Because war, war never changes
The Fallout show is not cannon to fallout 1,2 and new Vegas No matter what ye say on that perhaps cannon to fallout 3 and 4 The Master Will open open up all the new vaults in that show as well the boneyard got nuked not shady sands as well got a new name in new Vegas
Holy shit I just watched the first one yesterday! What a coincidence!
I don’t see Todd’s bitter fanfic as canon
It just a fleeting dream just like the Choas Gods power in 40k.
Unable to be seen or proven. 😂
You haven't watched the show and only the videos on why it's bad have you?
There are a lot of problems in The Mojave. When The Courier shows up, they get dealt with. By the end of the game, The Courier's achievements surpass Mr. House's by a massive degree. If House is the best faction for The Mojave, then it wouldn't be in the state that it's in. The way the game is constructed, it's The Courier that resolves everything. The issues that remain after the Independent ending, sound like DLC missions, and or things that you do in Fallout 4 (settlements, supply lines, etc.). Yes Man is gonna be offline for awhile to update it's coding? Sounds like the perfect opportunity to make sure it's coded exactly how The Courier wants him to be. Or the perfect time to take it offline permanently. Towards the end of one of my playthroughs, I couldn't help thinking that the entire wasteland would vote for a Courier controlled Independent Mojave.
the Courier was doing a job and as he was pretty much a dam postal worker he has no control over what was being sent if those in charge of the service tell them to take a package then they have to do it or not do the job and not get paid and we all know that even in the world of fallout money is still something you need
I ignore the TV show in this debate because the show makes it pointless
George Washington has no experience establishing a country, while the British have an empire. And that's why the British are the most qualified faction and should rule America.
For me, the bigger problem for House that the TV Show brings is the fact that he's told that Vault-Tec may start the war themselves; it brings sever question to his blustering that he was able to calculate when the bombs would drop; and, if he lied about this, what else does he lie to the Courier about? I just cannot trust him or his merits, even if he seems benevolent on the face of it, because the perceived benevolence of the Autocrat has no bearing on how bad that autocrat is. He wants good for the people of the Mojave no more than the NCR; he simply extracts wealth via the strip rather than via taxes, and there's no option for eventual democratic representation under the dictatorship of House like there is the NCR. The flaws of the NCR can be fixed; the flaws of House cannot.
I do agree with many of your points here, but I think it's fair to bring up that House could've calculated the bombs dropping before that meeting, and only had his suspicions confirmed there. It's definitely odd that such meetings were never brought up in talking to the courier, but that's added lore which didn't exist in 2010, not a direct contradiction (which the show has a lot of already).
Either way I read Mr. House as a tech billionaire trying to sell you an elevator pitch, like Elon Musk and his bright ideas about nuking mars or the hyperloop. He can set these as goals, but it doesn't mean he actually has the know-how to get it done. After all, he's a businessman, not a scientist or engineer.
The show destroyed his character with one line, they also made Sinclair a less sympathetic character...I felt bad for him in Dead Money, but also applauded the fact he found out & fought back against her and Domino. As for the show, it removes his brilliance that he calculated and was slightly off when the bombs would fall and instead...he FORGOT?
@@TheImapotato Well they never set a time at that meeting, clearly even some Vault-tec officials weren't ready because Cooper's kid wasn't in the Vault at the time of the war. That said this is only speculation, these explanations aren't in the show yet, and might not ever be.
@@TheImapotatolike literally why? And also, Sinclair like Vera and the ghoul asshole we're all pretty much a bunch of completely petty people that couldn't let go their problems, none of them we're exactly people to feel something for except maybe Vera since she pretty much was used by both parts.
How can you call House a liar based on the show when it was released after the games and made by completely different people.
Are you mad? Whatever happens on the TV series is irrelevant to the game's discussion.
29:13 All of your criticisms of the NCR could feasibly be applied to pre-civil war America. The America of 1830 isn’t much different from the NCR presented in Fallout: New Vegas. With extreme internal instability caused by the issue of slavery, as well as an entitlement to an entire continent that regularly displaces and eradicates entire settlements of Amerindians. The NCR really doesn’t seem that dissimilar to this early America, eagerly expanding towards any wealth on the frontier, picking on big fish like Britain and the Mexican Empire.
Yet look what America grew to be. You have to look long-term, and in terms of long-term stability and growth, it’s NCR all the way.
While I don't disagree with anything you've said, I've always wondered how you would respond to the arguments made in _Courier's Mind._ Whether they hold water or not, he's certainly put a lot of thought into the case he makes against Mr. House.
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Regardless, your video alone has spurred me to do another playthrough of New Vegas. Great Job.
I think House represents a version of Caesar, in the sense that he's another very intelligent individual with an understanding of modern warfare & tactics, but he's also a megalomaniac driven by ego. A future of Vegas run by House is doomed to run into the same problems as the legion. House will inevitably have to turn more brutal to root out the enemies of his vision of humanity's future, and like the case posited by the youtube video you linked, I don't think he'd ever compromise with any wasteland faction on account of his old world ideology. No doubt, a future vegas run by House is a wasteland ruled by converted tribals the likes of the strip, just larger & heavily enforced by his robotically-imposed autocracy.
And just like the microcosm of the strip, I can't imagine that everyone who'd operate in that society would be happy & willing to have his leadership continue. It'd be a matter of time before another Yes-man style figure manifests to undo House's autocracy in an effort to take it for themselves.
Not to mention, just like Caesar in the game, I can't imagine House will live for another 100+ years without some serious medical intervention. The fact he hasn't developed a cancer at all is in and of itself, pretty surprising. What'll happen to the fragile weaponized peace when the leader dies suddenly, without a chain of command to follow?
Even if he isn't die from a medical miscalculation, House is not immune to yet another betrayal. The PC in NV can easily kill House. The idea that he'd be impervious to outside forces and disunity is a fragrant ego-driven dismissal. He is extremely vulnerable and can only truly succeed in NV with the help of the courier, or Benny. And Benny wants to betray House.
@@ahealthkit2745 No he's not Caesar. Compare what Caesar did to tribes, and what Mr. House did. Caesar channeled tribals to war and conquest. HOuse channeled towards creative building effort.
Independent gives Goodsprings the most prosperous ending, Primm is basically the same no matter what, Novac is always Independent, and you can actually begin renovations if you're the head of the Securitrons.
The only place that suffers under Independence is Freeside, that's literally the only place.
fuck the fallout show.
It is as canon as the "Fallout Frontiers" mod.
The carrier is a uniter not a leader, they have an amazing ability to unite faction to bring a common goodness too or evil to each faction to further its agendas although I've never seen the courier as a head of leader. If there was someone more stable under or over the carrier who had a vision in positive influence to represent a nation I believe it would be the absolute best ending the problem is Yes man.
**Courier. Carrier is kinda fitting too though lol. They carried everyone’s asses😂
Lokey feel like the courier would side with house
the goat has returned
Mr.House is a Vtuber… I hate myself for that thought
“Thank you for the 10 caps from freesidejunkie586782! Also, mods ban anyone spamming ‘Yes man better’😡”
To everybody who says “The devs say Yes Man was going to become more assertive for the Player”, this is for you:
I don’t like your comment for 4 reasons:
1: Death of the Author:
The Devs are not the Text. And the Text has Yes Man saying “I’m gonna go become more assertive! Bye.”
2: Yes Man’s contempt:
Yes Man drops a TON of hints over the course of the game that the Courier annoys him and feels like he’s being an idiot. Why would he stay loyal?
3: Immortal GodKing
If Yes Man can edit his code he will always have the capacity to change his code to his own ends. Even if you trust that Yes Man is a being of infinite kindness and altruism (laughable) that’s an insane amount of power to leave in any immortal machine’s hands.
4: The Courier is every single one of Us.
Even if we pretend that Yes Man is perfectly loyal, perfectly altruistic, and perfectly incorruptible or unstealable (a frankly INSANE series of things to assume given the tone and evidence inside of the game) at the end of the day, “THE INDEPENDENT ROUTE IS THE BEST OPTION” is such a lame answer because every single one of us is the Courier and every single person who argues for the independent route is really just arguing for his own personal little political world. To argue for an Independent Vegas without House is just saying “Oh I’d personally know what to do for sure.” Which is not something anybody can analyze or argue.
Bet the Enclave will be back. Hank MacLean and Vault 31 are a part of the Enclave or will try to re-establish the Enclave.
The House Always Wins
The players who always choose Yes Man/Courier & think that is without question the best ending, IMHO always tend to be the ones who think they are morally superior, think speaking louder is making a 'point' & suffer from Dunning Krueger much like the writers of Fallout TV Show & Emil Pagliarulo. I was very pleased that the ending slide showed New Vegas turned into riots & the area was worse than before House woke up.
I've done them all with The Legion being done only once and House being the most. I think the Legion was not as fleshed out as they could have been as I saw only Security for caravans & law abiding citizens as their only plus
I choose House because he is the ultimate visionary & Libertarian with me as the Courier being the very small limited government helping non profit organizations such as the Followers to help the less fortunate
Too bad the TV show destroyed House's character with one line "There is great profit at the end of the world" (WTF?!?) & will bury their murder of the NCR in Season Two
Yes Man is looking better each day :p
Also from my experience that the House players, they just listen to what he says without aruging it, since House said it.
Like yes he is smart.. but he is also the guy who almost lost it all cuz he didnt get amazon prime shipping twice.
Or how to entice and form loyal bonds for most workers.
I mostly choose Yes Man because i really don't like all the pros and cons of all the other factions so i prefer to just let the people of the Mojave do their shit in peace, that's all, Yes Man can do the hard mental and administrative labor for me while i just go to get problems done with securitrons, the whole riots and shit sound mostly an try hard way of Obsidian to make the Yes Man Ending less good but whatever it's my army, my Mojave, my New Vegas (oh yeah, i like the Bad Karma Yes Man Ending)
Basically I agree with the guy above me. I'll add that the end slides show the short term consequences, but long term who knows what will happen to an independent Mojave. I'd love if some sort of Buddha or Jesus came to the Mojave in the same way it did in history.
@@Subject_Keter Except if you go for Yes Man's ending you essentially rely on House's calculations and everything he's built to make his next move. Its very hypocritical to dismiss house, yet use his securitron army and his calculations for your own ends.
I thought this video was made by a much bigger youtuber! Keep up the amazing quality bro, this video was a godsend of something to listen to while I work
Let’s goooo! Best game ever that is still being discussed which is better
Yesman isnt ambigous at all, its obvious what the intent was and there is no issue.
Absolutely no idea how people misunderstood what was meant.
Further, a independent NV is free to later on join the NCR on its own termw. Not at the barrel of a gun
Gameplay and story segregation.
“Know idea”… bro
@biosupdate7449 lulz
I personally thing the NCR is the best choice for the Mojave, mostly because they probably the only faction with the mean (and the desire) to build up the Mojave. Here the simple train of thought for the other 3 faction then the NCR:
- Legion will burns, slaughters or enslaves a good chunks of the Mojave population, destroy what make vegas a booming economic city and underutilized what hoover dam can produce.
- House plan rely on him having a steady supply of caps and power, thing that he can't control. If someday the NCR cut the stream of customer going to vegas, House power will instantly dry up. Ignoring the economy rely entirely on a foreign nation, House hostile action against community who doesn't summit to him prove he isn't above bloodshed and exrtortion. He taxes primm heavily if they sided with the NCR and slaughter the king if they do so too. House doesn't actively patrol the road far from vegas, he only care about vegas and vegas alone, the further away from vegas someone live, the worse their life be.
- Yesman/ Courier ending at it best is just a state of anarchy. Having no government is only slightly better than brutally oppressive government like the legion. Independent Mojave is a breeding ground for raiders, place where only the rich can project power and the weak have to themselves. Same problem with House ending, The courer/yesman can't protect the economy of vegas if the NCR just decided to cut them off, the prosperity of vegas rely too much on foreign funds. Community in the mojave also still have to fend for themselves, with no real government, raider can get even more problematic then under house, free range for them.
- My merit for the NCR is simply they have more to gain from building up the Mojave and defend it then not. Mojave will be a crown jewel for the NCR with house much resource it offer, allow it and it citizen to benefit from the actual benefit of being a NCR citizens Californian enjoy. The NCR simply have the mean and the will to make the Mojave a better place then under any other faction. Of course they still shit because of taxes and bureaucracy but compare to other option, it ain't bad.
>yes man can reprogram himself so he doesnt have to listen to you
>NCR, Legion and House can also reprogram themselves to not listen to you
😂
NCR, Legion and House all have their own interests and ideals that are already spelled out. Yes Man's ideals are entirely just to follow the Courier. If Yes Man is reprogrammed we have no idea what his ideals would become.
@@astor2994 technically we do and thats based on the courier or house the only two people they can base their ideals on
The new TV show is garbage solely on the grounds that it magically wipes the NCR off of the map
If you were paying attention there were still NCR members in the show like the Vault 4 cultists and Moldaver's platoon, they just splintered and have less influence over the Shady Sands area.
The reason why they couldn't afford to recolonize the areas near Shady is because getting your capital city nuked to high heaven right after the Mojave campaign, a campaign which left your army spread too thin and that which they most likely lost, would leave them crippled enough to push back their borders
@@impadop4578 if you were using any critical thinking at all, you'd be thinking about what was happening off screen. If they're stretched so thin, from the Mojave to the waste of shady sands to the northern and southern frontiers, then they definitely were hurt in more places than shady sands. Their loss against the brotherhood wouldn't be the only loss. They will lose land on all fronts, chipped away constantly so they can't reorganize and recover. The NCR is going to be irreparably crippled from this, and effectively taken off the board as a major player.
If the people around them *don't* immediately smell weakness and jump in, that's just bad writing and completely unrealistic of the cutthroat world of fallout
@@trite4654 They didn't magically wipe them, there's 15 years between New Vegas and the show. It's just the first season, how about we wait for more so they can fill in the blanks and you can stop crying about something magically disappearing.
@@vaultboy1419 Lol, that's the same logic to defend live service games. It's not good now, but wait, I'm sure after they have more of your money, they will make it good.
House is the only leader with even a hint of patriotism. The others have egos and armies. Jingoism and imperialism are not patriotic. Patriotism is altruistic. Nationalism is egotistical. House is not perfect, but he is the only one who could benefit anyone.
You say the others have egos, as if House does not? That is his defining attribute. As well as his lack of an army, until you give him one. So what difference is there then?
@@shorewall I meant that they all have their egos and armies, but House has actual patriotism. - Caring for your homeland in a way that causes you work for it. - But he has less of the destructive traits.
Cesar’s Legion doesn’t have a problem with sustainability, it actually has a solution for long term sustainability. From an outside perspective, Cesar comes across as a power hungry maniac but when you think about it from his point of view he’s simply doing what must be done at all costs to achieve his “Pax Romana.”
I used to think the Legion was the worst choice but now that I have a better understanding of his thoughts, it’s perhaps the best choice.
Though there are things I disagree with that the legion does I think it’s baseline ideology makes the most sense which is essentially ridding the world of all things that pull people apart and instead, bringing everyone together for the common good of the collective and not the individual.
Isn't that the same goal the Master from Fallout 1 had? Hell, you could interpret it as the Enclave's goal as well, in a roundabout way. The Legion might not be interested in forcibly mutating everyone or just outright exterminating them, but they hold the same baseline belief that difference = conflict. What the Legion advocates for is cultural genocide along with murder and slavery to achieve that end.
Would be nice if Ceaser didnt turn all his followers into brainless drones and tried to raise some enough to take his place eventually. But happening to run into someone who A. Didnt die to them B. Got beaten or broken into a Slave and C. Happens to be perfect at leading like Lanius was at fighting.
Ya no he a dunce.
I think the long term argument against the Legion would have to be what happens after Caesar's death?
To quote Joshua Graham, "I think only Caesar can lead the Legion. I've never met anyone who could take his place. I couldn't. I never had a mind for logistics."
To my eyes, I think Caesar would have too much ego to prepare an heir or accept the possibility of death, and there would be a sharp collapse in Legion upon his death.
@@astor2994 that is perhaps the single biggest flaw Caesar faces. Caesar himself has the intelligence and patients to see his plans through but he hasn’t exactly surrounded himself with people who share the same abilities. The only logical replacement would be Lanius and Lanius certainly doesn’t see things the same way as Caesar.
@@astor2994Its not like Caesar is unaware of this flaw...
He wants the Vegas to reform the legion, from what it is currently.
He needs to live to implement new laws that will begin transition of Legion from an army without a state to an actual state.
Yes man is so tired bro it’s the worst ending stability wise
Even if yes man is loyal to the currior, the currior will die eventually which is something that yes man would know... I love infinite possibilities.
Yes Ma'am
This video essay is riddled with slippery slope arguments. It’s nauseating
House is the best ending.
Full stop.
Well with the fallout show now out we will finally see what the canon ending to new Vegas is
[Intelligence] The courier could simply tell Yes Man to never reprogram himself again
legion or house i prefer legion as although horrific they let people govern themselves so long as they obey their laws in fact the lore vs what we see is massively different unfortunately.there were members of them that were more than slaves or brainwashed foot soldiers its a honestly a damn shame that much of what i like about the legion you have to actually look for and never really get to see.” as overall there not really that horrible aside from a bit of sexism and even that’s not fully true as there leader doesn’t exactly adhere to that more so he needs warm body’s to fill the ranks in many ways.my only concern for them is there mistrust of technology but even then they do have a point as it didn’t end well for the world ultimately and overall corruption is basically none existent for the most part within them and everyone even the hi ranking officers are held accountable cant say that about most civilizations.also everything is for the legion but they only punish people who get in there way although they are a bit arrogant it kinda makes sense as id distrust outsiders and see them as week too given most legion soldiers can kill you with a fucking knife and will go right at you often resulting in people running away from shock and fear so ya in a way they are not wrong also readers and crime don’t exist under them and you will be punished hard for any crime and i am totally down for that and largely they are completely able to take care of themselves down to the individual level on most occasions compare that to a normal wasteland asshole or the useless NCR and it becomes abundantly clear they don’t need outside help although they will take advantage of it if it cones along.are they cruel?to anyone who fucks up or gets in there way of life ya.are they the monsters most make them out to be?not so much in my opinion although they are harsh as fuck. Also if you side with the enemy you are the enemy its not complicated. 14:49
Parts of this video are a prime example of why the show ruined the lore.
Can I have the honor of conquering the land of California,
I agree.
The fallout tv show is not part of the games
Sadly it is
It is cry some more kid
@@motionadapt1589 ?
It is have you not learned or do you just not want to here what you are against
@@DoomUvb the show is cannon anything you say won’t change that now stop crying
If legion bad, why safe roads ?
Just ignore the show. It doesn't even make sense within itself, much less the wider world.
b-but muh headcanon anarchist vegas...
Caesar did nothing wrong
Censored? take a downvote.