well i dunno every time i play it always seems to play out where i am picking the broc flowers in the cemetary at night or right when it is starting to get night.
I feel that. But fallout new vegas is such a different experience before you get to freeside and Vegas itself it's with the whole caravan card game and the Mojave express it's almost like that section of area has it's own culture systems.. Granted I wish it was waaay more flesh out
Random event: I walked out to the Super-Duper mart for the quest as as I see the building, I see a sudden nuclear cloud appear. Once I get there, I find the corpses of a rad roach right beside the corpse of a raider with a fat-man.
Playing fallout 3 as a child I would just replay the vault section over and over again but once I got to the door to the wasteland I reloaded a save and did it over again seeing how scared the guards were to follow me out there and having the door sealed behind actually made me feel fear of what was on the other side of that door.
@@NigerianCrusader - would make the game barren, boring, and meaningless for a large portion of the distance - would drastically increase the game size - simply put, there is no reason to
@@moogandacasio BUT CHINA IS COOL AND THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE RANDOMLY GENERATION OUTSIDE OF THE CAPITAL WASTELAND SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO TO CHINA CAN GO TO CHINA AND PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO DO RANDOM GENERATION CAN STAY IN THE CAPITAL WASTELAND
i was playing fallout 3 the other day, and i overheard two mutants talking to eachother. i was sneaking because i wanted to hear them continue since it was unheard dialogue to me. one mutant said "i was thinking. and it hurt! it hurt my head! but i remember things... from before. i think i knew a woman... or maybe i was a woman? it hurts!" and the second mutant kind of shut him down and said "ha ha! you talk a lot! it sound funny when you talk! like a stupid human! hahahaha!" and it made me kinda feel bad for them :/
I've heard that dialog! And atm I didn't have a clue about the lore of the whole FO franchise (I started to play the FO3 blind) so I was confused af that are these humans or what are these things 😳 Now I know the lore so I can see your sadness in that situation.
I remember the first time I did the Tenpenny tower quest, helping the Ghouls and then coming back to find all the humans dead, I was so mad because of how much i went out of my way to help them only for them to do go ahead and kill 'em all anyways that I wound up killing all the ghouls, its one of those things in Fallout 3 that still sticks with me.
@@Rangerbubbareid Same, Dashwoods dead now everyone must pay. Weird thing is I think the quest must of glitched on my first play through because I kept coming back and everyone was living there peacefully with the residents making comments about the new neighbours... I wish I could of repeated the bug because if was funny as hell watching them all living in Tenpenny Towers
Fallout 3 was my introduction to open world games (I was about 12 so my parents were slowly starting to let me play violent games) and it became quickly my most favorite game of all time, I still to this day can't find a game that gives me the same feeling the first time playing fallout 3 gave me
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Patrick Mitchell as long as it’s higher level than what they are wearing, they will put it on. You may have to reload the cell by leaving and returning.
You know what? First time I played this, I didn't realise Megaton was a place. I saw a robot next to a scrap pile and stayed the hell away. Found the hollow rock first time, though.
I just kept lone wandering around the abandoned town just outside of Megaton, searching every single house on the street as much as humanly possible to find someone, it was also the GOTY edition and I had a pretty poor understanding of the map marker and ended up wandering so far off the course I needed to complete Mothership Zeta at level Five, which was a gosh-darned nightmare of difficult hallway fuckery. It was also when I realized how green the wasteland was and how this place wasn't. Then I come back and find what I thought was a town but it turned out to be the even more difficult goddamn Deathclaw-ridden Deathtrap known as Old Oney. The rest of the game became such a breeze after diving in head-first like that, I remember doing that main quest when the brotherhood guy freaks out and screams "BEHEMOTH!!!" But I honestly didn't notice, I was so levelled up from my blunders I already killed two other Behemoths. And FO4 I thought I did such a great job with the customization system but then the lighting situation immediately changed and my character looked like one of the vampires from Salem's Lot so I recklessly abandoned the search for my missing son, never went near my old hometown and ran straight for diamond city, completely unarmed, because I heard they had a plastic surgeon there. I also never bothered going for Piper's interview, my first companion ended up being Strong, it was also ridiculously difficult scaling that tower with all of the blood bags in it only to find this giant angry Shakespearean booger who hates nearly everything I do. But I became a cannibal and we quickly ascended to being best friends, he routinely told me *"YOU GOOD LEADER!!!"* whenever I ate a group of raiders. And New Vegas: I tried to make it to the strip from my grave where I could see it, and I was tag-teamed by giant scorpions, I became more obsessed with revenge-killing them than Benny, also I had sex with Benny.
The first time leaving the vault in Fallout 3 was a huge deal. This was the first time that the world of Fallout was depicted in 3D. And it was beautiful.
@@IINareik While technically true, it would be generous to say Fallout Brotherhood of Steel "was the first time that the world of Fallout was depicted in 3D". Fallout BoS was an extremely limited top-down level-based arcade game. Fallout 3 remains the first time the world of Fallout, true to its roots, was depicted in 3D.
zetabyte 27 at launch? It still is xD. It’s only playable on pc due to stabilizers and what not. Camp McCarran, red Rock Canyon, and Freeside will cause you a ton of trouble later on in your save once you’re past 8000Kb, and it’s so much worse on console. Though New Vegas didn’t have many game breaking bugs like Fo3. I remember getting stuck in the Bridge part on the Mothership Zeta dlc because the little girl bugged out in one of the vents and never came back :(
@@FecalMatador At least it's playable on console. I tried to fix my Steam version if NV, a complete nightmare of a project it turns out. It felt like for every bug I potentially fixed, two more were added. That game straight up HATES my PC. In fact every Bethesda game ( yes I know NV was Obsidian but it's basically Bethesda considering the assets and time frame they were given) I try to play on PC is straight up broken even upon a fresg install. In skyrim the water physics have taken over and randomly make my character swim when running on land or in buildings. Unfixable as far as I can tell. In Fallout 4 there's a large number of visual bugs and random crashing you just don't get on console nearly as often. Fallout NV would hard crash upon nearly every autosave or transition to areas. I have a decent PC at that. Can run Witcher 3 on full settings with mods, Skyrim was the same but for some reason it stopped working even after disabling all mods and fresh install. Fallout NV is by far the buggiest of the series, but it also has the best excuse for its flaws and at that IF I COULD FIX IT I WOULD and I'd play the ever living fuck out of it again on PC. But until I buy a new PC or they magically fix those issues NV, and other bethesda like titles are dead to me on PC. They're just TOO broken to enjoy.
@@LensToHorizon it was the opposite for me. Played 3 first, blew my fucking head for hundreds of hours, then found out the same company made games like this, except fantasy themed? I was so fucking there. These very my first open world role playing games and the scope was just mind boggling to me at the time.
@@wind2536 Same, fallout 3 was my first Bethesda game then I played oblivion a couple years later. Fallout 3 will always be my favorite game. Maybe it's because I was a kid but no other game has brought me the feeling of sheer joy that fallout 3 did.
i got FO3 a month or so after it came out and have played it consistently since. my last playthrough was 100 hours last year. its easily my favorite game of all time
The whole "you can't kill children" argument is mostly due to a change of time and priorities. Even at the time of fallout 1's release, international versions patched children out all together to avoid the whole child killing dynamic. When fallout eventually came to digital markets via steam and gog, the censored European versions were specifically used. Therefore the only readily available versions of the original fallout have no killable children either. Killable children just isn't something 99% of game devs want to deal with, even New Vegas didn't tackle it.
It is a misdirection in the video. The actual criticism is that Little Lamplight is obligatory for the main story, and you are arbritrarily denied your main tool for progressing the game. Bethesda chose to make the part mandatory, put an obnoxious character at the gate and broke immersion by having the place solely populated by immortal and invincible individuals. I call them immortal as narratively the children have lived there for two centuries. If the entire area was a hidden discoverable area, and optional, it would interesting and unique. As it stands it is one of the many parts of the central plot that the immersion is utterly broken.
The part was unfortunately very infuriating. As someone who mostly play as an explosive expert. I wanted to blow the whole cave into the ground. that wimpsy wooden door shouldn't hold to my fatman bombardment.
Just Jordan I didn’t either, I just ate it really quick and figured this out, he doesn’t attack you and you get some new dialogue from the girl(don’t remember her name at the moment) if I remember correctly
I just realized this in my latest play through. Maybe it's missed a lot because you need to eat it before the cake is ruined and Butch comes to talk to you. It seems like one of the better resolutions actually.
Fallout 3 was my intro to Fallout so it holds a special place in my heart, none of the other games ever captured that fun time of just running from place to place listening to the radio.
I was confused when I saw your name, thought "nah this isn't THE Dan Bull" but then I clicked on your name and boom, it is the Dan Bull... Love many of your video game raps, keep it up :)
I remember playing FO3 for the first time without knowing anything about it. Had the biggest holy shit moment leaving the vault and realizing the scale. Immediately hooked.
same here, i got it on ps3 and i bought it cause the outside cover of the game looked cool, and well, its a really really good memory, cant really remember so many distinctive parts of the game, but what i remember good is the rich guys tower filled with undead, the shiskebab sword, the cave with fucking kids treathening me with weapons and that first city that had a nuke in the center. today i have ps5 and i can play f3 on playstationnow, which basicly is gamepass but for playstation
I went to the local gamestop to buy a ps3 and they had a full size cardboard display of someone in power armor and I thought it looked cool. I knew nothing of fallout. I had no idea what an open world was. I started playing it and thought it was "interesting" as a 1st person rpg but like you, when I stepped out of 101 and started walking around I was hooked. I had taken a 5 year break from games and as I stumbled upon springvale and megaton I was blown away. If they released dlc for fallout 3 I'd buy it until they stop.
I really liked Fallout 3 but one of the biggest problems I had with the game other than a low level cap was that unique weapons looked EXACTLY the same as normal ones.
Fallout 3's random encounter mechanics are so freaking good. It was my favorite Fallout to replay for a long time because of the randomness of any given session
When you enter the wasteland for the first time, I was practically a kid, about 13. This made me fall in love with the game and I was amazed at this huge open world full of things to explore. I remember even reading all the terminal entries etc and finding Megaton. I will forever be in love with this game, it made me crave worlds and games LIKE THIS ONE and I was sad there wasn't much if any others (of the time) with the same level of freedom. EDIT: I seem to remember hearing that the Dev's for Fallout 3 needed to work on something else, anything else, after the game was finished. This being due to how depressing they felt the game was, that they all felt down because of it's drab pallet, hellish and lonely world. All parts that made it an amazing game IMO, but it would affect you if you work on this kind of world for years...
Yes the value for money must be crazy for anyone who bothered to give it a chance. I also made the mistake so I can go with this. Fall new Vegas doesn't feel like you are in a nuclear wasteland more like the wild west or something. Fallout 3 is more a better story starting in a vault as you should in fallout shelter? People need to play again even for time killer it's a break from playing Dying light or GTA.
Too bad the Bethesda online hate train is trying to convince everyone that Bethesda was never good. Even though Obsidian has never produced a game on par with Bethesda's best works, Obsidiots will find some way to nitpick and bullshit about how New Vegas is a God-tier game and that anything with Bethesda's name on it is irredeemable garbage. It's even funnier when Obsidiots praise New Vegas for being a better role playing game when it's actually a worse role playing game due to how they ruined skill checks.
@@comicsans1689 never? Outer world's? Tyranny? Pillars of Eternity? I loved old Bethesda, but they had quite a few shit games too. Yes the Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 were good, but Obsidian has consistently put out amazing games since they began.
@ScorchedCrow95 >Outer Worlds Garbage, just mediocre garbage. The writing is subpar for an Obsidian game (especially since they replaced Chris Avellone with even more liberal and pretentious writers), the characters and their designs are terrible, and the promise of deep role playing was not fulfilled. The only reason anyone liked the game is due to the Bethesda hate train and the fact that the RPG market is so shallow that people will accept sub-par games. The Outer Worlds clearly needed more development time, a recurring them with just about every game Obsidian has ever made. >Tyranny I've actually played a little bit of it when it was free one weekend on Steam, and it seemed interesting in its premise. I would need to play more of it before passing a final judgement. >Pillars of Eternity I haven't played it, but it looks alright.
The point about the trickery used to give the DC ruins a better sense of scale really explains a lot. My memory of wandering the ruins when I was a kid so many years ago feels a lot bigger than it actually is upon revisiting while actively thinking about it
I personly prefer NV, but i really enjoyed Fallout 3. I really loved some of the more cinematic events in Fallout 3, like Vertibirds landing and takeing off, that was really cool. Downtown DC was really fun to explore. Also, i never really felt as chaimed down as i did in NV. In NV every town is like "NCR and Legion are about to fight, help us do this and we will have a better chance to survive", but in 3 not every town or settlement is japping about the water conflict and give you quests that were disconnected from the main story, makeing the quests feel more diverce.
Them being so disconnected also makes the whole main event feel more small and unimportant "Oh whats that, clean water everywhere for the first time since the nukes? meh just pretend it does not exist" Granted with fallout 3's map layout of being a complete disconnected clusterfuck (raiders/super mutants ect seperating non hostile areas for the most part) does make some sense for it, NV's map can't really afford this, as it is a lot more civilised and more like if people actually spent the last 200 years getting their shit together and trying to build a life for themselves instead of 70% just faffing around being raiders. This layout means that the civil parts are more connected and thus word gets around of the wider world, especially when you take into account they know whats going on not just around New Vegas from both the east(legion) and west (NCR) which means they have to at least acknowledge if something huge is happening around them.
@@Sone01TheFirst But its easily explained why people of the Capitol waste are not jumping to it. There is no way they should believe that there would ever be any hope of large scale pure water.
No lie, I just have this on while playing another game. But I say that not to take away from the video, but rather I want to highlight what you have done. Even though this is a 2 hour video, the editing on the video is precisely what you are talking about. Even though someone (like me) has this on play on the background, once you say something quite intriguing, we can just tab in to look at what you are talking about. I mean, it'd be A LOT easier if you just played random fallout clips while you "ranted", but that's what low effort people do. What you do is, is you play specific clips, and you make good arguments, not just rant. First time watching your channel, and I must say that you are a gem.
I think the argument about New Vegas using roads so often as safer passageways vs Fallout 3's roads often being the most dangerous makes sense given the state of each area in the lore. The New Vegas area by that time is a place with many settlements all connected by roads, and there are constantly caravans and couriers traveling these paths to make deliveries and sell goods to the settlements, to the point where there's actually companies employing these professions specifically. These people are typically well armed and/or escorted by bodyguards, and that makes them hard targets for any typical raider or fiend group to take out for their supplies, or even for most creatures of the wastes. On top of that, since caravans have the backing of a hugely influential entity backed by the NCR like the Crimson Caravan Company, it makes sense that the CCC would invest in ensuring their trade routes are secure and their employees aren't in any really serious danger, plus the NCR also actively makes efforts to ensure their people are safe from any major uncontained threats as well. There's also what makes the roads dangerous in 3 to consider. That would primarily be Super Mutants, slavers, and the Enclave later on. Since in New Vegas Super Mutants are all either holed up in Black Mountain or Jacobstown (all of whom are non-violent anyways), that's no longer a real issue. The Enclave got wiped out in 3 and is now effectively down to only 4 members, none of which even really want to continue fighting the Brotherhood or the people anyways, so that's also no longer an issue. As for the slavers, by the time of New Vegas in the eastern region, Caesar's Legion is basically the only form of slavers left. It's likely the NCR made sure that any major slave operation was taken out, since I doubt they'd let that happen considering how vital all their citizens are to supplying them with necessary resources. Odds are no one will see or read this whole thing, but it's a thought I had that I wanted to share anyways.
One thing to note is that Caesars' lands are actually better for traders than the NCRs. Caesars has basically wiped out or assimilated all the tribes in his area. Couple that with how brutal he is to his enemies and the raiders have left for easier targets, namely the NCR.There's even a trader in his camp that says he would rather trade in Caesars' land and they're fine as long as you respect their beliefs. The NCR has over extended and we constantly hear about it during New Vegas' playthrough. The Brahman Barons have a vice grip on the government and have forced the majority of their military to defend their farms. Its why caravan companies are so reliant on hired guns to protect their cargo. While there aren't a huge amount of enemies on the roads in New Vegas you can find quite a few fiends camps on the road all the way up to the strip.
@Spawn Why would I get flamed by NV fanboys? I'm actively defending the game from a criticism by pointing out the differences in settings. But yeah, I really don't get why the community tends to divide itself into one of two camps of "Bethesda bad" or "Bethesda good" and expect that to be everyone's standard. I really like certain aspects of all the games and go to each for specific reasons. I say just let people like what they like.
@@randomlorenerd6040 That's true, but a few fiend and raider gangs/camps dotted around the map near the roads is still leagues safer than most of the other regions of the American wastelands otherwise at least.
It's so nice seeing everyone else talk about their experiences with fallout 3 in the comments. Fallout 3 was my first fallout experience and i was 11-12 when i played it. The moment that sticks with me the most is my first run to super-duper for Moira, seeing the market with bodies hanging from the street lights and even inside on the ceiling made me feel uneasy. The way Fallout 3 made me actually feel terrified of my surroundings makes me love this game. Currently replaying for the first time in 7 years and I'm absolutely loving it.
I've gone on to play Fallout 4, and 76(at launch 💀)and a little bit of Fallout 1. I own all the main games on steam and plan on playing New Vegas after I finish 3 and it's dlc
Being a FO1 and 2 fanboy, I enjoyed FO3. I also love NV. I don’t think it has to be one way or the other. Yes I prefer NV over FO3 but only due to the factions. Both are great FO games.
I find it more and more that people a part of the Fallout community put their emotions wholeheartedly into their beliefs and actions, mostly in regards to the fans who think their games superior and objectively better in the areas where such a statement can be dubious. You can like Fallout NV better or vice versa, but people get too hung up nowadays about the franchise and act with great emotional conviction, so it's always nice to see a person who sees the enjoyment of all the games.
I think the factions were the weak point of New Vegas, especially later on when you have to deal with them and the artifical requirement that you wipe out the alternatives (unless like me you use mods). Caesar's Legion did not work for me, I know some people like it but it felt weak. For me, New Vegas works best when you're not on the main plot line, which is also when Fallout 3 works best.
Darin Johnson Yea, I can see that. After a few play throughs the legion end up feeling a little tacked on at the last minute. However, the first play throughs of each faction surprised and intrigued me way more than FO3. Legion being the least fun of course, but still interesting and unique.
One thing i always loved from Fo3 is the way you can approach problems from unconventional ways. "Escape from Paradise" has you rescuing the little lamp brats, but one wants to stay behind, Penny who wants you to rescue Rory. When you and Rory have to make it to the exit, you have two options; kill all the slavers or tell Rory to run and hope he doesn't die in the process, which he likely will. However if your skill is high enough you can pick pocket all the slavers' weapons including the minigun from the sentry over the platform (also don't forget the unique pool stick, unarmed slavers will try to use it) once everyone is disarmed you can reverse pick-pocket Rory that very same minigun. When you tell him to make a break for it, all the slavers are going to run towards him with their bare fists, while he uses the minigun. He is going to kill all the slavers in his way and you won't get good karma or lose standing with them. It's basically Butch 2.0 in which you empower an NPC so he can save himself, the game never telegraphs to you this, it is an option you have however because it counts on you being crafty.
@@thegamerfe8751I've never really experienced something of the sort in Skyrim I don't know if this is a glitch but even when I release the prisoners and give them weapons and healing items they don't use the weapons or the healing and just die I know there isn't a real benefit to rescuing them besides role play But I'd like to have that memory of awesome things I've done regardless of whether they're useful or not
Fallout 3 had this crazy vibe that the others can’t replicate. A certain creepiness and loneliness about the capital wasteland. My first game on the 360! Sparked the biggest love for a franchise
Aliekexie The atmosphere man. DC was a depressing wasteland, you can nuke a city, paradise falls, the Pitt, Point look out, even just green color filter made it feel so much more apocalyptic than the other Fallouts. I agree New Vegas is better, but New Vegas is much more civilized, and just doesn’t have that same feeling. They tried it with Dead money, but Dead money was anything but good
I love when enemies start infighting in games. It really helps the world feel more alive, the idea that you aren't the center of everything, and not everyone is out to get you.
Nice video you made hopefully, no UA-camr would make a 8-hour documentary explaining why fallout 3 is doo doo, and I try to watch the video and wasted 5 hours of my life I will never get back to, man that would be embarrassing...right guys?
Hbomberguy: Fallout 3 is garbage (And here is why) Many a true nerd: Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think When the 2 smart kids in class get different answer
The first time you step out of the vault in FO3 and your eyes adjust to the sunlight, there is just nothing like it. The intro is long, but every minute of it is pure gold.
I grew up in Washington DC and this video reminded me of that incredible first moment of exiting the vault and seeing my home as the Capitol Wasteland. Powerful stuff.
I agree with this, BUT the things that make FNV good are what makes the Fallout series unique and special. FO3 is good because it does the Bethesda RPG sandbox-exploration formula well. It's weak in the narrative sense.
NV would be better if it wasn't riddled with bugs upon release. I hope Obsidian fixes its engine one day and re-releases it, because I think it would do well.
6:20 Slightly different, but in Fallout: New Vegas, if you encourage Arcade Gannon to fight in "For Auld Lang Syne," you get a different quest reward than not encouraging him to fight. If you get the Enclave remnants armor, he will use the alternative reward himself, which is a set of power armor with great DT and skill boosts that are tailored to him specifically.
Fallout 3 the first mention of the enclave comes from Nathan in megaton when you open dialogue with him he supports enclave because they are trying to save the wasteland or something like that
@@Whatamievingdoing , yes but you don't know about what they really are until they show up. You hear vague descriptions but you dont get hit in the teeth with them until they hit tou in the teeth
@@unknownchicken2284 fallout 2 exists, fallout fans know what the enclave is from the time they start playing fallout 3, have you forgotten the characters frank horrigan dick Richardson, sgt. Granite, sgt. dornan etc.
@Albert Wesker I think you are right. Fallout 4 wasn't a terrible game but I couldn't finish it. You'd think that since Bethesda refuses to change engines they would at least be masters with what they work with but no. Every game is still a buggy mess on release. FO3 is one of my favorite games but I'm not interested in their future titles at this point.
@@bakingbad2992 def Fallout fans talk about specifics in the quests Doubt most people knew the bible as much as fallout fans know every single line of script
This was not only my first fallout game but also the first game i got for the ps3 and it absolutely blew my mind being 12 years old at the time. Fallout 3 will always be in my top ten games. Absolute masterpiece!
Well, the previous games in the Fallout series, despite their old age in graphical terms, are much more action-packed, events and options for the development of these events compared to Fallout 3. Therefore, I would say that this game is definitely not bad, but not just as good as you imagine.
That's the thing tho, is he? He tries to kill you because he thinks you just might be a slaver, hes probably killed a lot of slavers, but hes probably also killed a bunch of innocent people just trying to get by too. So, what's the right decision? That's the reason fallout 3 is good.
@Conn Benn I mean, it does say in the game guide that his goal is to kill slavers but he attacks you just because he thinks you are one, not a lot of nuance there, especially if they said it outright.
@@starvoyager2094 but you tend to remember the first time you had a specific experience more vividly. I found bullet time in Matrix boring since I already had that experience from Requiem using "warp time".
@@starvoyager2094 also it was not nearly as amazing cause in fo3 you see a large portion of the map including the captiol building, sprinvale, the broken bridge.
Fallout 3: I love for the exploration Fallout NV: For the diverse characters Fallout 4: for the weapon customization and ease of modification for even more weapon customization (and maybe outfit mods)
For me, my love of Fallout 4 is for the settlements. I've been playing it since it came out and I STILL haven't completely the primary main story (although I have done all the DLCs) because I love building up settlements. And then I get a new idea for how to build the settlement so I start a new game.
In an interview some Bethesda representative said they were more inspired by Fallout and not so much by Fallout 2 when making Fallout 3. This makes sense since I've always considered Fallout and Fallout 3 to be more similar, and Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas to have more in common. So I think a lot comes down to if you liked Fallout or Fallout 2 better, if you preferred dark and terrible or if you preferred funny cameos and slapstick humour (just kidding. I liked Fallout 2, but it *is* very different from Fallout). On another note Fallout 3 came out during an era when games were being dumbed down considerably, and for Bethesda to make a open world game that didn't spoon feed you was a risk taking. Personally I love the Fallout universe and I like that Fallout 3 went back to the dark, gritty roots of Fallout.
@Manek Iridius it's not that hard dude. Theres 3 stealth boys in good springs alone, and you can easily ut straight through black mountain and avoid literally everything. Nothing wrong with the initial loop though, it's used exceedingly well to introduce every major and minor player in the game and makes the journey to Vegas feel that much more daunting.
Personally I love this game. It was my first fallout and gave me my love for the series. It will always have a special place in my collection for that.
Honestly it was a great experience when it came out, but the story was probably the weakest part, which means it aged poorly in certain areas compared to modern games.
@@stephenl2571 ye ye it’s popular to hate on new vegas, but fo4 completely shits on fo3 story hahaha all it takes for clean water is just to dig a hole or slap some scrap metal together to make a purifier
It's so refreshing to hear someone talk about the good things Fallout 3 did. I'm one of those people who's first Fallout was 3. I 100%ed the game and all it's dlc multiple times over and loved every minute of it but when it came to trying out Fallout New Vegas, I personally disliked it "by comparison". I've never been able to quite put it into words why, but that whole section about the grandiose moments/locations in fo3 really nailed one of my main grievances. I always just used to say that I thought foNV was bland, but what I really meant is there are very few locations that genuinely feel "important" or "special" or "awesome". New Vegas itself was pretty, but so so small, Hoover Dam felt grandiose but outside of a couple other spots, everything felt like everything else, so bland I can barely remember any of them. Meanwhile I remember so much of fo3 so fondly because there was variety and spectacle in so many of the spaces. tl;dr fo3 > nv imo (especially in terms of it's world and "spectacle")
It's a wasteland. It's supposed to be mundane and barren for the most part. The focus is instead dedicated to the tensions between various characters and factions, and also freedom in how the play chooses to interact with those elements. This is what New Vegas excels in.
While I agree nv excels in it's character interactivity, games still benefit greatly from visually stimulating and unique settings. Fallout 3, despite also being a wasteland, managed to be varied and interesting visually so it's not impossible to make a wasteland that way. In my personal opinion, nv was just too bland looking for my taste (I mean, I still played right through it, it's still a great game, I just preferred 3)
@@Rorius I think it depends on the mood the game is going for. If the game is trying to sell you a destroyed world filled with death, war and tension, then proceeds to fill said world with visually stunning locations that impress the player, that would be antithetical to the premise of the game. In Fallout's case, the world is barren because there realistically would not be that many impressive vistas left after the world has been annihilated and it's remaining inhabitants are making due with scraps. You may not prefer it, but thematically it makes complete sense and in this case, the game benefits from not going that route. And as for Fallout 3, Bethesda's locations may be impressive on surface level, but if you think about the logistics of them for 2 minutes, you will realize a lot make little to no sense within the context of the world. Just my 2 cents, lol. You're free to prefer fo3 I just enjoy discussing these things
When it comes to videogames, there's a balance developers have to make between realism/purely logical reasoning, and spectacle/game-feel/fun. Ultimately when I play games, I appreciate games that don't focus too heavily on realism when its at the cost of fun. An example of this I always use is my enjoyment of the driving in gta4 vs saints row 3. gta4 decided to try emulate reality and make the driving feel heavy and realistic and I hated it (a sentiment shared by most from what I've heard). Conversely, sr3 went for pure control and the driving was super satisfying and fun. And to be fair, fallout was never really all that realistic? This is the game series with the aliens and the elvis gang and the flesh monster fused with a computer who you can convince to end their tyrany with just words. Sorry, I don't mean to rant, I get a little carried away discussing these kinds of things as well heheh But yea, it's all subjective in the end
Probably most fun I had on a first play through of any game. Being my first fallout and giant open world rpg I died quickly a few times running out in random directions. I didnt see megaton until after several hours of play time. I avoided it thinking the "Megaton" sign said "Caution" . My first playthrough experience was epic because of this. I wondered the desert hardly surviving encounters with lone dogs and raiders until I saw tenpenny towers in the distance. I finaly get there and earn my way in by brokering a peace deal between the nearby ghouls and the residents inside. Having everybody living together, it was the only town I knew of, only place I could trade, and I sucked at combat so it was a nice safe area. I make my way back to the tower one day after a bit of exploring just to find all of the residents murdered by the ghouls I helped let in. The once bright, clean, and bustling tower is now dark, dingy, and filled with ghouls that betrayed us. I was alone again with no one to trade with. I move out into the desert until I run into a few raiders who know of an oasis of trees they are heading toward. They see me coming and attack me with a sawed off shotgun, I bested them and took their gun and map. Now began the long walk to "Oasis". On my way there I run into anothef group of survivors in arefu, and do my best to complete their vampire quest before eventualy getting to oasis. Keep in mind this is all before I get to Megaton and get going on the main quest, and also my first time seeing or learning of anything fallout related. All happened by accident. Best experience in gaming.
I feel like this only proves MATN’s point. The fact that you were able to have this incredibly engaging experience by fucking off in the wrong direction and almost (dare I say it) role playing as an actual lone survivor gives credence to the video’s main point.
My youtube recommendations be like : Fallout 3 is bad and here’s why! Fallout 3 wasn’t that bad Fallout NV the best Fallout 4 did some things better than NV Confusion
welcome to the work of 10 years. is this progress? no. is this why god is going to kill us all? probably. did you leave your stove on? I don't know, I don't live with you.
@@jebalitabb8228 the game was actually scraped a little over 15 years ago most of the script and storyboard was already made which is why it took em 18 months to complete most of it.
I defiantly wouldn't want to have to wright the script for this 2 hour video, however I assume he just wrote down some general points and eleborated on them.
Exotic Bat, I honestley thought Tuesday was spelt Teusday (The e and the u the wrong way around) until I was thirteen and someone pointed it out to me. I have to use autocorrect for half of the words I type because my spelling is just so bad lol.
Honudes Gai UA-cam* I know what you're thinking, this fucker has no friends! Well, that's incorrect because my friends are the guys at the bar at Chernobyl, all of my 22 fingers, 5 toes, and 15 arms are my friends. Took me a few years to live in Chernobyl, drink radiation waste everyday, and eat nutritious bugs to get this sexy body I have acquired.
Those people aren't worth the effort. If they think New Vegas is great while Fallout 3 is terrible there's just something wrong with their brains. The game's are too similar to each other for only one of them to be considered good while the other isn't. Makes no sense to me.
@@TheBreakingBenny I was totally unimpressed with Fallout 4. I felt no connection with the game, and found it vastly inferior to either F3 or FNV. I'm not into space games, so it is unlikely that I will ever play Starfield.
that moment you step out into the sun, your eyes adjust, and you survey your surroundings, and say to yourself ugh i instantly regret my decision, this world is fucking horrible. but that's what makes 3 a great game. the grim desolate world, that is struggling just to stay alive. where most people leave because of how dangerous it is. i love it. and honestly i know people hate the green filter, i love it. it makes the world feel more grim.
@@emilydavis9548 i like new vegas and 4, but as nerd said. those 2 games feel like people are rebuilding, 3 feels like people can't because of how terrible the dc wasteland is.
i swear when you go back to vault 101 for one last time for the side quest idek how to explain it but you know what im talking about. i got cucked by Amata
What a nice little Mother's Day for this. Watched this with my Mother. She has just started looking into playing Fallout and 3 is the first one she is going to do. She has seen all of your Fallout. But this has really given her more insight then me trying to explain it. So, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. I truly enjoy seeing how well she picks up games. Your channel has really given her the more modern love for gaming. She started me out on Atari long ago.
You nearly gave me a heart attack when you said it was Mother's Day and I'd thought I'd forgotten. But its alright because our Mother's Day is in March so I forgot 2 months ago.
I was 14 when fallout 3 came out and it was the first fallout game I've ever played. I instantly fell deeply in love with the game. I LOVE the barren wasteland when you exit the vault. It was such a wondrous feeling. Oh and the music. The old time music just made it infinitely better.
Funny enough I was a big ES fan and didn’t think much of fallout 3 until my dad decided to buy it. Blew me away how good that game was. I even got a vault boy tattoo because I was a dumb 17 year old at the time haha
I first played it on 360, didn't really get into it, since at the time, I didn't care for RPGs. Then I played Skyrim and loved it. Went back to FO3 and loved it since I understood the story.
If you sneak past the first guard while he's busy with the roaches, he will have dialogue talking to himself and then he will go to butch and refuse to help him and tell butch to go back to his room. Whether or not you helped butch will affect his reply when the guard asks if butch saw you anywhere. All that content from sneaking when normally most people would engage the guard immediately within seconds after talking to amata. Fallout 3 is a classic.
Oh def! I remember my first thought being something along the lines of HOLY S**T!! Quickly followed by 'Which way should I go?' Then, 'Nevermind...just start walking. Carefully'. ;)
there’s a peaceful way to get the slaves out of paradise falls? *loads almost 700 rounds into every slaver* nah, I’m just going to keep killing the slavers anyway
For me, the FO3 experience will never be the same without is also being on the PS3. I love playing on PC, but when I first played fallout, it was on a PS3 in a dimly lit basement, and something about the combination of the PS3's UI, sounds, the feeling of the controller, (and that basement setting too), made the experience so much more memorable for me. Anyone else?
I’m from the DC metro area. I live near the real location of Germantown and have spent my life taking the metro into DC. I work in Alexandria which is near Annandale… the immersion I got playing FO3 will never be topped
Fallout 3 has this unsettling, unnerving, unwritten, underlying creepiness that New Vegas didn't really have for me at first; not quite the same level anyway. Don't get me wrong, NV has a great aesthetic and I love it for entirely different reasons. Old World Blues and Dead Money nailed the vibes I was craving in base game but 3's DLCs only further enhanced what I was already loving. I cannot deny that NV improved the mechanics and gave a much needed scratch for the itchy old fans but my heart belongs to 3. I guess what it boils down to is: New Vegas makes me feel like a cowboy. Fallout 3 makes me feel like a spaceman. The classic battle between the Western and the Sci-Fi. Which, again, I'm a huge fan of both.
I know what you mean; whenever I play the game I always have this sense of anxiety, that at any moment I could be attacked without warning or that there would be some trap about to go off. Any time I play the game I can't get away from that feeling, and it is only heightened when I'm in buildings or subways; the game has an amazing atmosphere.
Yes, Fallout New Vegas gives the normal city dwelling vibe. There are law and order, You're mostly safe and secure thanks to the locals rebuilding the society. Fallout 3 is like an unending claustrophobia. There are very few settlements struggling survive. Raiders everywhere. Wild Radiated Animals and Ghouls still persists throughout the entire region as no one cleansed them. When you step on to a place, there is a good chance no one came here in the last hundred years or maybe more.
Yeah and Fallout 3 feels a lot more desolate, with people barely clinging to life. New Vegas has a more livelier feel to it. Obviously horrible stuff is still happening but there's more optimism to balance that out.
Fallout 3 was the first RPG I ever played. It was years after it came out, I was maybe 14 or 15 (I'm now 20). The game did a great job of helping me connect with my character, that the other Fallout games haven't done. I get attached to OTHER characters, but not my own. But because the LW is a teenager I just felt that easier to relate to than an adult (and in FO4's case, a lawyer/soldier). And the game giving you LIAM NEESON as your attentive, kind dad who just wants the best for people? That was really nice for me, who was at the time starting to come to terms with how bad my father was as a person. I legitimately cried when James died. It might just be me, but it was very emotional (granted I'm quite an emotional person, but rarely to the point of tears). Just from that, it's my favourite Fallout game. Yeah, FO4 has better combat and FNV has more character creating to do, but neither made me cry. Just my own personal experience with the game, but it's one of my faves of all time and I really want to reinstall it and play through it now I'm slightly older than the player character.
I feel fallout 3 has a nice blend between making you appreciate your character and the NPCs. Alot like what skyrim achieved, but wirh more care for yourself.
Jon, this video is amazing. You singlehandedly have made me ( a person who dosent really like fallout 3) want to actually play it, Jon this video is just...no words incredible
I understand that Fallout 3 has plenty of flaws, but there’s still a lot to love. One specific reason that F3 is so close to my heart is my dad. When the game released, I was young and went to spend most of my weekends with my dad while living with my mom during the week. For personal reasons, he was going through some hard times, but he really loved playing this game. He suffered from really bad insomnia, and he recounted many of his favorite stories from the game to me. When he couldn’t sleep, he would turn on the TV and play Fallout 3. The vibe and atmosphere that the game created were very interesting while also being relaxing (like heavy rain or a medium thunderstorm). I’ll never forget how he talked about how cool it was to go into the Museum of Freedom and find the Lincoln Repeater without any walkthrough or quest telling him to do so. My dad was never huge into video games, but he did enjoy them from time to time. He grew up with the Atari 2800 and other things like that, and was well into his 30’s by the time Fallout 3 came out. Looking back, I just realized he even rented the game from Blockbuster. Thankfully, my dad is still with us, and I’m living with him now. He’s a lot better, and I couldn’t be more thankful for him and the rest of my family. I’ve given all this setup for a reason. I’ve seen countless video essays and content creators, who I genuinely enjoy, criticize this game and be quite harsh. Whenever I’ve seen this, I’ve had this twinge in my gut. Although I completely comprehend and sometimes agree with the criticisms leveled at this game, these essays and reviews always feel oddly personal. It often feels like an attack on something that has huge meaning to me. I know I’m likely in a small percentage of people who have such an emotional bond with this specific game, but I believe that many people have similar stories and experiences with other games. I just want to give a thank-you to Jon for defending an imperfect game that has a lot of meaning to me personally. It’s nice to see someone else enjoy this game for what it is instead of comparing it to every other game in existence. New Vegas may be better, but Fallout 3 will always have a special place in my heart.
I always thought it was logical that you had to follow the roads in New Vegas, since it's a lot more civilised environment and they are more preserved. NV doesn't want to be the baren wasteland like in fallout 3, that's one of the biggest differences between the games
Yes, that was absolutely an intentional difference in design philosophy. The two games are different and neither is inherently superior in that regard IMHO.
Jonathan Rogers Nice strawman. The point is that New Vegas has actual logic (within its universe) in its roads. The roads are supposed to be more safe and closer to civilization, and the "emptier areas" are supposed to be basically wilderness with less protection and people. Quit trying to deflect his argument and putting your crappy game in a bubble, like every Bugthestard before you.
I Will Redeem This Land Stop being a buthurt fanboy, no one here came close to throwing any personal insults until you came but-bleeding-in... I have been gaming since early 80' (and played original Wasteland on Amiga, then F and F2 as they came) but never dared to "challenge F3 is garbage zealots" because it is so hard to deal with fanatics... I had and new all these FULLY VALID arguments that MATN presents here - its just that I could never word them so strongly... For me, after 2h of F2 I was gravely dissapointed as "wtf is this, i'm native, i have no connection to long lost world, this isnt even post-apocalipse anymore, JUST POST POST POST apocalipse... Well, fuuuuuck" - that sentiment repeated as I played FNV, but at least its dlc's (appart from Burned man) are true hardcore post apocalipse...
Fallout 3 is nostalgic for me. I can't help it if I prefer it over New Vegas. I notice a lot of tiny details whenever I replay it that NEXT TO NOBODY notices. I'm glad there's been somewhat of a resurgence for Fallout 3.
its incredible that every time when i make a new playthrough i discover new things i didnt see before ....and i already explore everything all the time yet still get suprised
this. lets be real a lot of the new vegas players are just massive fanboys of obsidian. who I may add, originally lost the rights to fallout under a different name (mismanaged funds), then made new vegas which used like 100% of the assets fo3 made (fo3 was also the first fallout fps and was made for consoles as well) new vegas simply had way more time to make rpg elements because 70% of the work was already done by Bethesda. lets also not forget Bethesda set a bonus for obsidian to achieve if the sales were high enough. which they weren't which begs the question how new vegas was better than 3 but couldn't meet its quota. obsidian then went on to make armored warfare (blatant copy of world of tanks but modern era), then made the outer worlds. a game that people have said is a good rpg but way to short and takes many many many influences from borderlands, bioshock, fallout and more. while I love new vegas to death people only praise it when they have a chance to bash Bethesda and fo3 so I don't take the opinion seriously.
John Phillips Im no fan of Obsidian but I do prefer FNV then FO3. Factions are better, guns are better, I love the dialogue! I love F03 and I like Fo4! I was excited for the Outer world but completely hated it. I have 16hrs In and I have touch it since! Straight up Garbage
@@hopeless1093 Same for the most. I've grown a little more attached to New Vegas now that I can mod the game to make the experience something a little more for me. Fallout 4 is fun but in my opinion needed a little extra to make it perfect. The weapons are a little more down to personal preference. While I love the shotty's in New Vegas as well as my favorite Plasma Caster and Bozar I like more automatics. I can't Disagree on the Outerworlds I got bored after the first planet I got one of those LMG type weapons and kept mowing everything down. I like your taste in games sir very unique.
Here is what I have noticed. Most people don't personally create their own opinions, and in fact things they claim are their opinion aren't even really their opinion, but it is just something they repeat based on what they think is the commonly held position. What I am saying is, that a trend started to say Fallout 3 sucks, and then a lot of kids and teens essentially adopted that and started repeating that, without actually thinking objectively and playing the game to come to their own unbiased conclusion. This also means that marketing or trying to control rhetoric is a powerful thing indeed, because a lot of people just go along with what they perceive other people as thinking or saying, instead of forming their own opinion about something. In the modern era this is why you have a lot of games try to reach out to influencers and pay them to claim the game is good, because corporations know that how objectively good the game is won't necessarily determine its reputation and sales, but rather the perception that people are saying it is good is what will achieve that.
This is true, only a minority of people think about things properly, most people just go along with whatever they think others are saying or doing. Take for example religion, we can see in most countries with intense religious control that it is always only a minority of people that think objectively and realise that they were raised under essentially a cult. But you average human is so mindless you could raise them under any cult and they would follow it and not question it. Only a minority of people have the ability to think essentially, everyone else is just a product of their environment and peer pressure.
I just played with friend Fallout 3 and finishing fallout new vegas right now with the last DLC and then we finish the game. And i would not say Fallout 3 sucks but i would say this video sucks because it really makes shitty comparisons to Fallout New Vegas. And Fallout New Vegas is the game that actually made us thinking about trying fallout 1 and 2 but only after New Vegas not after fallout 3 because in comparison New Vegas is just at another level in a lot of things and we enjoy it much more.
@@lordofthebeltsthereturnoft1127 And comparing religion to opinions on games is pretty big difference atleast for me. Do you say with this that following religion is bad ? How many do you think who believe in Jesus are following their rules about lets say sex before marriage or masturbation. There is a lot of people who just think there is someone like god but dont exactly follow every rule of their religion. And dont get me started on cults a lot of people who were raised in a cult could never tell they were actually in a cult because they were closed to outside world and realised after they actually experience how it is outside or were saved by outside sources. What i heard about fallout 3 was it is worse game than Fallout New Vegas and after playing both i just have to agree with that. Fallout 3 is not bad game on its own but compared to New Vegas i just have to agree with the majority.
I got really into fallout 3 when my dad was in a coma I got so attached to the Dad character that when I blow up megaton in one of my Playthroughs and he was disappointed in me that made me so upset that I deleted the whole Playthrough and restarted the game. Spent the whole night getting to that point again so he wouldn’t disappointed with me anymore.
I remember my first time beating Fallout 3. I had no idea what the code to activate the purifier was. I went into the chamber and began getting irradiated panicking because I did not know the code. Then it hit me. I am the beginning and the end, 216. Honestly despite the ending having holes that was one of my most remember able finishes to a game.
Same here. I didn't know the code and felt compelled to put in 216. I still remember the 21:6 passage to this day. 13 years later. Love fallout 3 favourite game ever.
The Subways of FO3 is one of my favorite and most hated areas in any game. Its claustrophobic, dark, disorienting, and filled with things to kill you. People who his there when the bombs fell, soldiers who lost their battle to ghoulification, and the bodies of those they’ve killed. Raiders, their victims, and some folk who tried to take shelter from the radiation in the wastes. Its basically a horror movie inside a psuedo horror game. The whole place has been mapped out and can be learned. As far as I have seen as well its built pretty closely to the real world lines of the same names.
I enjoyed how closely the maps match the actual metro maps. There are differences, of course. But close enough that when I first moved to Virginia I didn't look like a tourist when I had to go into town.
I started Bethesda games with Skyrim followed by fallout 4 but going back and playing fallout 3 and NV I can definitely say I love fallout 3 the most. I was just playing fallout 4 and got so sick of looting everything and doing settlement shit so I stopped and changed to fallout 3. I love the lonely gloomy feeling of fallout 3 so much
yo wtf jon. i literally just finished a fallout 3 playthrough and was like "damn this is way better than I remember / what people have been saying" and now you do this. damnit MATN you are a magical bastard
I've always wondered why there was so much hate for FO3. I fucking love that game and, while I do love FONV too, it feels like the opinions that reguard FONV as a way better game makes it seem like this is more or less just a bunch of sheep following the opinions of a few. FO3 is far from perfect and FONV does many things better, but it doesn't deserve the pedestal people put it on.
Fallout 3 was my first open world adventure game, and that opening/tutorial will forever be one of my favorites. The first time I played I screwed myself over royally, somehow got lost on a completely linear path, took huge amounts of damage, and ended up crouched in a corner desperately downing radroach meat to get my health back. I was just as scared as my character would have been in that situation and it remains the most immersed I have ever been in a game. Now I can escape Vault 101 blindfolded, but I will never forget the first time I played it. I do find it difficult to play Fallout 3 now, because I always play it the same way. In my mind, certain options are better than others from a gameplay perspective, which means I always end up wasteland Jesus. That said, the one play-through where I decided to be neutral was really interesting. You would have to rationalize doing absolutely horrible things to maintain neutral karma. Case in point: I happened by a super mutant camp, freed a captive, then immediately had to shoot her because freeing her gave me good karma. There is a lot of choice in Fallout 3, you just have to be willing to take it.
Playing it in 2008/9, this game was another level of immersion and great quests and DLC. I remember playing it literally almost exclusively the summer of 2009.
Bethesda is great at this. Morrowind, Oblivion, FO3, Skyrim, FO4, are all incredibly immersive. They are honestly better at immersion than Interplay and Black Isle ever were. Daggerfall is easily 100 times more immersive than Fallout 2.
@@everythingismeh1945 the reason I say you people are irrational is because you rarely provide evidence, and when you do, you always provide something that all the non bethesda fallout games are also guilty of.
As a 12 year old obsessed with the apocalypse, when I first immersed myself in this game I was stunned. It was everything I ever wanted. Still my favorite game of all time
Same age, same desire for apocalyptic settings. Same immersion I had with this game. Same favorite game. I’ll call you my brother you 25-26 yr old dude.
Nostalgia blindfolds tbh. The atmosphere is absolutely ridiculous and impossible to be taken seriously when you take into account there has been 200 years since the bombs. STALKER has a more realistic and enjoyable apocalyptic atmosphere and it isn't even a post-apcalypse
The people ragging on Jon for being a Fallout 3 fanboy are hilarious. In many other videos he has stated that NV is his favorite game. The thing about this video, though, is that he just chooses to look at 3 from a different perspective.
Even in this video he has on a few points that nv did something better. I thought he brought up a few good points especially about the metro system. I personally hated the metro system because it took too long and was confusing but it did make the city seem very big while it really was not. This sense of scale did a good job allowing a lot of stuff to be pushed together and thus leaving a lot of room for "emptiness" in the rest of the wasteland. I really gained a some new insights on map making from this vid.
Let's be honest. Fallout 3 is awesome. So is Fallout New Vegas They are both wonderful pieces of art that have amazing world building and they will both go down as some of the most unique and memorable games of all time.
And that is why I despise people who think you can only like one or the other. Just... just love what you have and have fun. There is no need for this "rivalry"
@@Fordring1776 Honestly the person who started this mainstream fallout hate trend was hbomberguy, which if you look at his channel now, you'll see he's a dumb SJW shitbrain, which makes me question his video Fallout 3 is garbage a lot more now, seeing as his video was just mostly just him complaining about small things instead of having fun, which is what SJWs do. I feel Indigo was also a bit harsh on fallout 3 and even New Vegas all because he didn't like the more western theme in NV and some of the choices and music in fallout 3.
@@impatienstheshmuck5348 That is true NMA guys were the first ones to really hate on the game, but it was a small forum, not that many people knew about it, it was hidden away, it was Hbomberguy who really brought the criticisms up front. Granted, his right about some things, his video isn't complete horseshit, but him calling it garbage and one of the worst games to me was a major stretch, Indigo was much more fair in my opinion. Also as someone who has played every fallout game from 1 to 4 and everything in between, I don't get why a lot of fans of fallout 1 and 2 act like they are somehow smarter or better because they like the first two games more.
I am from Fiji. when i heard of fallout i never had the chance to play it. in 2024 i remembered it for whatever reason and decided to install FO3, I was not disappointed. after a learning curve i was fully weaned off vats and was XP grinding for hours. very fun. the "action/re-action" mechanisms were very pleasing. now im about to complete F.O.N.V. wish me luck. im level 20 so far
The beginning of Fallout 3 is my favourite beginning in a game, ever. It blew my young mind and I look back upon that formative gaming memory fondly. It was my first open-world game at a time I didn't know what an open-world game was. Leaving the vault for the first time.. wow.
and i feel that most people say, well nv is a perfect rpg because you don't know anything about the character. and i am like except for the fact that you are a courier. and with lonesome road that you kinda made the great divide. and that ulysess actually knows you from many events. meanwhile in 3 it's like you are born. and nothing is told to you about who you are other then you grew up in a vault.
You are soo right ! Fallout 3 shoves you out into a vast, dangerous wasteland where you suddenly feel the reality of being "on your own" wondering "how will I survive?" The most real fantasy you'll ever encounter.
The theory on the super mutants is exactly right. If you sneak into the vault, the first two super mutants you come across talk of running low on green stuff, on needing to capture more and stronger humans and turn them into super mutants, and them ignoring Fawkes' attempts at trying to give them advice on long-term strategies.
Question: How did the FEV end up in Vault 87? Wasn't that supposed to be some very hush-hush project intended for tackling China should the latter fire nuclear bombs on America? The Vault 87 super mutants in Fallout 3 exist because Bethesda couldn't be arsed to make a new race that's practically orcs, so they called these ones super mutants.
@@TheBreakingBenny You have to remember that Vault Tech and the USA Military did a lot of stuff together. A lot of the vaults were experiments for the Military, while it is a bit reconny (like how they changed the origins of Jet) it still could make viable sense in the universe that Vault Tech managed to get their hands on some FEV but since they couldn't get enough to fill vats they changed it to an airborne variant which is why the mutants have a more sickly green color then the original. Got to also remember FO3 was the first 3D and main entry into the franchises since the disaster that was BOS Game. It's not really hard to imagine why Bethesda tried to incorporate familiar factions into the game to draw back in older players. While in hide site they could have used vault 87 being directly nuked as a way to make a new mutant faction and changed the BOS to like US Navy remnants (like some members are in rivet city are) they went with familiar known factions and decided to put uniqiue spins on them. Like how the mutants are sort of a 'what if the unity happened' giving us a view of a mutant population that is slowly dying and unable to do anything. Lyons brotherhood giving us an example of a post game BOS that has already gone through the process of opening up and not needing a random waste lander to tell them hording is bad and they should help people like in FO1 and NV.
@@Gdsryrox Van Buren was also supposed to be the first 3D entry, even though that never came to be because Interplay's retardedness with their IPs and money required them to close their studios. Seems pitiable given that Bethesda must've sat on all this while they were busy with The Elder Scrolls IV, and because they had no better lead writer and designer than Emil Pagliarulo. That man sucks at handling large projects, and I'd have to ask why _he_ was given that task. If he started out with the Thief games since GOLD, his writing ability stagnated into being like he has dementia. It's also pitiable that Bethesda doesn't really go anywhere with their set pieces; they are better equipped for creating Elder Scrolls-like experiences than they'd be at working through how the world works, such as when they reuse so many elements from past entries just because… and apparently because it's too scary having games without the BOS in them, no matter if they're rewritten to be Enclave Lite in Fallout 4, or in FO3 where they have all communication with the West Coast cut off when the outcasts should've been that instead. (It's as though Pagliarulo believes us asking the why's and how's is bad, and he delves further into that by not learning from what worked poorly in FO3.) Radscorpions should be rare on the East Coast given it's nowhere as desert-y as California, whilst Rivet City should've been more invested in considering they have a greenhouse or two there.
@@TheBreakingBenny Van Buren wasn't really 3D. Sure if used 3D assets but the game was still going to be an isometric top down like all the prior ones. FO3 was the first real time 3rd person that completely changed how combat was usually done. (Again excluding BOS game that was a beatemup) Also what do you mean by 'sitting' on the franchise? Bethesda only brought the fallout IP in 2007 and released fallout 3 in 2008. Yeah they started work in July 2004 but they didn't own the franchise then that was still under interplay. And as you said they were making Oblivion at the time, this is back in the early 2000s when technology wasn't anywhere near as good and Bethesda was much smaller. Again that is very much hind site. It's very easy to look at NV and all the new factions they brought in and be like "Why didn't FO3 do that, gosh they were so unoriginal fuck Bethesda FO3 is the worst game ever because it uses recognizable and familiar things". Again yeah reusing the BOS in hide site almost 20 years later but you have to remember. At the time the last 2 fallout games fucking sucked, they went with a safe option and experimented with the factions even then. I have a feeling if the BOS in FO3 just sat in a bunker all game and didn't do anything until the lone wanderer came in and said. "Stop hording tech help people" everyone would have creamed themselves and said it was the most amazing thing ever. I mean they do that for NV BOS who act basically the same as they do in FO1. For the enclave while they are a bit over the top it makes sense that once they were defeated at the hands of the NCR they'd flee to probably the one place they'd have access to all sorts of pre war tech. You know, the capital of the country. Other then that enemies and stuff really aren't that much of a 'terrible choice' considering it's been 200 years since the war and in a land where pretty much everything is dry due to you know nuclear war an apex predator like a radscropian could thrive just about anywhere. Also while I do agree rivet city could have been more developed I have a feeling you've not played FO3, otherwise you would know the plant lab was a relatively new thing.
FO3 was the first fallout for me and I adored it at the time, then played NV and was blown away and still am. I go back to FO3 and am blown away at how devastated the country is and how simple it is with way fewer guns etc, (I mean as much as I enjoyed using the shotgun it's design made no sense with the drum mag so far forward but whatever.) It really gives a desolation feeling. First time I went towards the Springvale high school and saw the body's hanging from hooks or dead in the cages it gave me chills, which I imagine it would for any vault dweller heading to the surface for the first time. Both are superb games!
Does anyone else think that stepping out of Doc Mitchell's house should be at night so you could see Vegas' glow immediately?
@@user-no3tu9kh3pIt is so maybe like replace the Cemetery with the Doc's House idk
You already see it in the intro.
@@sirmount2636Yes but it would then have a better chance to compare with the openings to Fallout 3 and 4
well i dunno every time i play it always seems to play out where i am picking the broc flowers in the cemetary at night or right when it is starting to get night.
I feel that. But fallout new vegas is such a different experience before you get to freeside and Vegas itself it's with the whole caravan card game and the Mojave express it's almost like that section of area has it's own culture systems.. Granted I wish it was waaay more flesh out
Random event: I walked out to the Super-Duper mart for the quest as as I see the building, I see a sudden nuclear cloud appear. Once I get there, I find the corpses of a rad roach right beside the corpse of a raider with a fat-man.
I walked out and there was a giant bone white scorpion
I screamed and ran
I often get a Deathclaw, either a dead one or a game over.
First time I played Fallout 3 on PC, I saw a severely injured Deathclaw and lost my shit thinking I was gonna die.
🤣🤣🤣
@@Mariodash23 YOU CAN PLAY IT ON oh wait you said first time so it's probably on something that worked.
I wish I forgot everything about Fallout 3 and New Vegas so I can both replay them all over again. They both have a special place in my heart.
Remember your mother’s favorite passage?
Silent_Stalker Is it big iron on his hip?
Vegas, is like nostalgia and just perfect content happy nights in a tin for me.
U are a good man love u no homo
@@silent_stalker3687" Life is a game, and games have winners and losers"?
Playing fallout 3 as a child I would just replay the vault section over and over again but once I got to the door to the wasteland I reloaded a save and did it over again seeing how scared the guards were to follow me out there and having the door sealed behind actually made me feel fear of what was on the other side of that door.
Bro, I have such a similar experience it’s such a great memory that no other game is capable of making
I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DONT LET U WALK TO CHINA IN FALLOUT 3
JUST USE RANDOM GENERAFION LIKE IN DAGGERFALL
@@NigerianCrusader
- would make the game barren, boring, and meaningless for a large portion of the distance
- would drastically increase the game size
- simply put, there is no reason to
@@moogandacasio BUT CHINA IS COOL AND THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE RANDOMLY GENERATION OUTSIDE OF THE CAPITAL WASTELAND SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO TO CHINA CAN GO TO CHINA AND PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO DO RANDOM GENERATION CAN STAY IN THE CAPITAL WASTELAND
@@BareKnuckleBarry BUT DAGGERFALL AND ARENA DID RANDOM GENERATION AND THEY WERE MADE IN 1996 and 1994
Many A True Nerd: *makes 2 hour video with no ads*
Literally everyone: *_not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed_*
True
He never puts ads on his vids
Highwayman
Shut the fuck up.
Johnny Flannigan that’s why I said not the hero we deserved
i was playing fallout 3 the other day, and i overheard two mutants talking to eachother. i was sneaking because i wanted to hear them continue since it was unheard dialogue to me. one mutant said "i was thinking. and it hurt! it hurt my head! but i remember things... from before. i think i knew a woman... or maybe i was a woman? it hurts!" and the second mutant kind of shut him down and said "ha ha! you talk a lot! it sound funny when you talk! like a stupid human! hahahaha!" and it made me kinda feel bad for them :/
I remember that!
That and several other dialogue is just about the only thing humanizing them.
I've heard that dialog! And atm I didn't have a clue about the lore of the whole FO franchise (I started to play the FO3 blind) so I was confused af that are these humans or what are these things 😳 Now I know the lore so I can see your sadness in that situation.
I remember hearing it at the Germantown Police Headquarters
Yup. Shallow, this game is not. Man, Fallout 3 was fun, my first fallout game.
I remember the first time I did the Tenpenny tower quest, helping the Ghouls and then coming back to find all the humans dead, I was so mad because of how much i went out of my way to help them only for them to do go ahead and kill 'em all anyways that I wound up killing all the ghouls, its one of those things in Fallout 3 that still sticks with me.
look at the bright side, free housing.
I understand. I played it out the same way but on the other hand i blew up megaton before that. So yea no regrets.
I did the same, and I could've forgiven all, until I found Herbert Daring Dashwood among the dead, now I just ignore the ghouls
@@Rangerbubbareid Same, Dashwoods dead now everyone must pay.
Weird thing is I think the quest must of glitched on my first play through because I kept coming back and everyone was living there peacefully with the residents making comments about the new neighbours... I wish I could of repeated the bug because if was funny as hell watching them all living in Tenpenny Towers
@@DW133_ yes, but the ghouls kill all the human residences anyway
Fallout 3 was my introduction to open world games (I was about 12 so my parents were slowly starting to let me play violent games) and it became quickly my most favorite game of all time, I still to this day can't find a game that gives me the same feeling the first time playing fallout 3 gave me
ESO EXISTS
@咕噜 yeah no one wants to play that if your trying to relive memories of fo3
Oblivion and fallout 3 were super similar in feeling although totally different settings. But ya, fallout 3 was special.
@@boxyboy1527 ESO IS AWESOME
@@estogaza5827 OBLIVION WAS AWESOME
Almost 2 hours long
Doesn't have Adds
Im very proud of this community
Ha oxhorn ruined the community
@@user-uf8de5cw7x oxhorn would have adds every 3 mins lol
Ari Marino *ads uwu :)
I am autistic oxhorn makes amazing videos though and the ads help him since he makes money whenever someone watches an ad. It’s his job you can’t be mad at him for making money for spending hours and hours a day making videos
@@SunBro_Talos yes your right but you dont need to put 50 ads in a 10 minute video
I like pickpocketing power armor into children’s inventory and making them wear it...
Tiny power armor!
God-tier comment.
Patrick Mitchell as long as it’s higher level than what they are wearing, they will put it on. You may have to reload the cell by leaving and returning.
Too many Sims 3 model stretching nightmares for me to be even slightly interested in trying this ;-)
putpocketing*
SLAYER76 exactly!
You know what? First time I played this, I didn't realise Megaton was a place. I saw a robot next to a scrap pile and stayed the hell away.
Found the hollow rock first time, though.
I love reminiscing about my noob playthroughs, my first run through fo4 I stopped for a while because I couldn't find the railroad
I just kept lone wandering around the abandoned town just outside of Megaton, searching every single house on the street as much as humanly possible to find someone, it was also the GOTY edition and I had a pretty poor understanding of the map marker and ended up wandering so far off the course I needed to complete Mothership Zeta at level Five, which was a gosh-darned nightmare of difficult hallway fuckery. It was also when I realized how green the wasteland was and how this place wasn't.
Then I come back and find what I thought was a town but it turned out to be the even more difficult goddamn Deathclaw-ridden Deathtrap known as Old Oney. The rest of the game became such a breeze after diving in head-first like that, I remember doing that main quest when the brotherhood guy freaks out and screams "BEHEMOTH!!!" But I honestly didn't notice, I was so levelled up from my blunders I already killed two other Behemoths.
And FO4 I thought I did such a great job with the customization system but then the lighting situation immediately changed and my character looked like one of the vampires from Salem's Lot so I recklessly abandoned the search for my missing son, never went near my old hometown and ran straight for diamond city, completely unarmed, because I heard they had a plastic surgeon there. I also never bothered going for Piper's interview, my first companion ended up being Strong, it was also ridiculously difficult scaling that tower with all of the blood bags in it only to find this giant angry Shakespearean booger who hates nearly everything I do. But I became a cannibal and we quickly ascended to being best friends, he routinely told me *"YOU GOOD LEADER!!!"* whenever I ate a group of raiders.
And New Vegas: I tried to make it to the strip from my grave where I could see it, and I was tag-teamed by giant scorpions, I became more obsessed with revenge-killing them than Benny, also I had sex with Benny.
@@basedbattledroid3507 the best comment i read in a long time, thanks for a good laugh pal
@@vhs1984 thanks man!
@@basedbattledroid3507 Going straight to the strip early in the game.
The fastest way to find trouble in New Vegas.
The first time leaving the vault in Fallout 3 was a huge deal. This was the first time that the world of Fallout was depicted in 3D. And it was beautiful.
BUT NOT AS BEAUTIFULL AS ESO
Brotherhood of steel on ps2/xbox was actually the 1st 3D game
@@IINareik yEP
@@IINareik While technically true, it would be generous to say Fallout Brotherhood of Steel "was the first time that the world of Fallout was depicted in 3D". Fallout BoS was an extremely limited top-down level-based arcade game. Fallout 3 remains the first time the world of Fallout, true to its roots, was depicted in 3D.
@@NigerianCrusaderdid this dude just try to compare a mmo to a real game?
1:41:22 ‘Lets be massive nerds for a second’. Jon, we’ve been watching a full review of the Lore of Fallout. I think you’re preaching to the converted
@Andre Lucas Fun Fact: New Vegas was much buggier than Fallout 3 at launch due to the limited development time.
zetabyte 27 at launch? It still is xD. It’s only playable on pc due to stabilizers and what not. Camp McCarran, red Rock Canyon, and Freeside will cause you a ton of trouble later on in your save once you’re past 8000Kb, and it’s so much worse on console. Though New Vegas didn’t have many game breaking bugs like Fo3. I remember getting stuck in the Bridge part on the Mothership Zeta dlc because the little girl bugged out in one of the vents and never came back :(
@@FecalMatador At least it's playable on console. I tried to fix my Steam version if NV, a complete nightmare of a project it turns out. It felt like for every bug I potentially fixed, two more were added. That game straight up HATES my PC. In fact every Bethesda game ( yes I know NV was Obsidian but it's basically Bethesda considering the assets and time frame they were given) I try to play on PC is straight up broken even upon a fresg install. In skyrim the water physics have taken over and randomly make my character swim when running on land or in buildings. Unfixable as far as I can tell. In Fallout 4 there's a large number of visual bugs and random crashing you just don't get on console nearly as often. Fallout NV would hard crash upon nearly every autosave or transition to areas.
I have a decent PC at that. Can run Witcher 3 on full settings with mods, Skyrim was the same but for some reason it stopped working even after disabling all mods and fresh install.
Fallout NV is by far the buggiest of the series, but it also has the best excuse for its flaws and at that IF I COULD FIX IT I WOULD and I'd play the ever living fuck out of it again on PC. But until I buy a new PC or they magically fix those issues NV, and other bethesda like titles are dead to me on PC. They're just TOO broken to enjoy.
NV and 3 played fine for me on xbox 360
Best comment!
*I still vividly remember those feels when I first left 101 and saw the apocalyptic wasteland on the big screen*
Yea I remember feeling a bit scared not really knowing where to go or what kind of danger would be out there.
Same here; man. It’s definitely one of the most vivid images in my memories of gaming.
It's indescribable. I was 13, had no idea what the game was about and got amazed by it.
I actually remember running into my first Super Mutant in 3 as a kid. It was amazing
@@allrez4157 same I was 13 too honestly to me it will always be my most treasured gaming moment
Fallout 3 is one of the defining games of my early teen years. My first fallout game. Spent probably at least 300 hours on it
Ime Prezime same bro. Once I was done with oblivion I heard about this game being made by the same company and the rest is history..
@@LensToHorizon it was the opposite for me. Played 3 first, blew my fucking head for hundreds of hours, then found out the same company made games like this, except fantasy themed? I was so fucking there. These very my first open world role playing games and the scope was just mind boggling to me at the time.
@@wind2536 Same, fallout 3 was my first Bethesda game then I played oblivion a couple years later. Fallout 3 will always be my favorite game. Maybe it's because I was a kid but no other game has brought me the feeling of sheer joy that fallout 3 did.
Me too. I actually couldn't get into it the first time but then I came back a few months later and that's when I started to love it.
i got FO3 a month or so after it came out and have played it consistently since. my last playthrough was 100 hours last year. its easily my favorite game of all time
The whole "you can't kill children" argument is mostly due to a change of time and priorities. Even at the time of fallout 1's release, international versions patched children out all together to avoid the whole child killing dynamic. When fallout eventually came to digital markets via steam and gog, the censored European versions were specifically used. Therefore the only readily available versions of the original fallout have no killable children either. Killable children just isn't something 99% of game devs want to deal with, even New Vegas didn't tackle it.
It is a misdirection in the video. The actual criticism is that Little Lamplight is obligatory for the main story, and you are arbritrarily denied your main tool for progressing the game.
Bethesda chose to make the part mandatory, put an obnoxious character at the gate and broke immersion by having the place solely populated by immortal and invincible individuals.
I call them immortal as narratively the children have lived there for two centuries.
If the entire area was a hidden discoverable area, and optional, it would interesting and unique.
As it stands it is one of the many parts of the central plot that the immersion is utterly broken.
The part was unfortunately very infuriating.
As someone who mostly play as an explosive expert. I wanted to blow the whole cave into the ground.
that wimpsy wooden door shouldn't hold to my fatman bombardment.
Is it really that big of an issue?
Oh no, poor you can't continue a main quest while also killing people when you feel like!
@Duchess_Van_Hoof ...They literally haven't lived there for 2 centuries? Where the hell did you get THAT idea from?
@@Duchess_Van_Hoofyou can skip the opening to little lamplight with the child at heart perk
Did anyone else realize that if you eat the sweet roll immediately, you get a new speech option for Butch?
I've never known this
Just Jordan I didn’t either, I just ate it really quick and figured this out, he doesn’t attack you and you get some new dialogue from the girl(don’t remember her name at the moment) if I remember correctly
@@kirbs7136 amata is her name
@@kirbs7136 what does he say
I just realized this in my latest play through. Maybe it's missed a lot because you need to eat it before the cake is ruined and Butch comes to talk to you. It seems like one of the better resolutions actually.
Fallout 3 was my intro to Fallout so it holds a special place in my heart, none of the other games ever captured that fun time of just running from place to place listening to the radio.
Congratulations. You just played a post apocalyptic jogging simulator. That's not fallout.
Ooh edgy, find a nice lady to make an honest boy outta you. 🥳
valeria262 same
soggie Opinions are like assholes
@@valeria262 how the hell is that "edgy"? nonsensical reply
It's my bedtime but I can't stop watching this video. You owe me one bedtime.
I was confused when I saw your name, thought "nah this isn't THE Dan Bull" but then I clicked on your name and boom, it is the Dan Bull... Love many of your video game raps, keep it up :)
Dan Bull Same will be extremely tired tomorrow
Wait what? Dan? What are you doing here? xD
Dan Bull I think it's cool that you watch Jon. I think he's one of the most underrated gaming youtubers. He deserves more subs .
Only one bedtime, I figured most MATN fans would be in the hundreds by now!
I loved fallout 3s introduction to the wasteland. It reminded me of coming out of the sewers on Oblivion.
This video fills me with so much nostalgia. Super Duper Mart. Fire Ants. The Super Behemoth fight with the BOS. The radio. It brings tears to my eyes.
I remember playing FO3 for the first time without knowing anything about it. Had the biggest holy shit moment leaving the vault and realizing the scale. Immediately hooked.
i could not even play it because it takes mods to launch without crashing
same here, i got it on ps3 and i bought it cause the outside cover of the game looked cool, and well, its a really really good memory, cant really remember so many distinctive parts of the game, but what i remember good is the rich guys tower filled with undead, the shiskebab sword, the cave with fucking kids treathening me with weapons and that first city that had a nuke in the center. today i have ps5 and i can play f3 on playstationnow, which basicly is gamepass but for playstation
I went to the local gamestop to buy a ps3 and they had a full size cardboard display of someone in power armor and I thought it looked cool. I knew nothing of fallout. I had no idea what an open world was. I started playing it and thought it was "interesting" as a 1st person rpg but like you, when I stepped out of 101 and started walking around I was hooked. I had taken a 5 year break from games and as I stumbled upon springvale and megaton I was blown away. If they released dlc for fallout 3 I'd buy it until they stop.
@SwissCheeze Gaming sadly ,they dont make em like they used to.
I wish someone came up from behind and gave me a lobotomy right at that moment so I'd always be in that awe
I really liked Fallout 3 but one of the biggest problems I had with the game other than a low level cap was that unique weapons looked EXACTLY the same as normal ones.
honestly!!!! boils my fucking blood! so lazy holy shit. did they not want to make fun variants????
@@colerichardson20 the Xuanlong Assault Rifle is a darker color and has a bigger magazine.
For me the biggest problem was random crashes on the main story that I have to get to. For example at the satellite station on the mobile base crawler
Except for Lincoln's golden repeater rifle.
Oblivion had the same issue from what I heard as well as Skyrim.
Fallout 3's random encounter mechanics are so freaking good. It was my favorite Fallout to replay for a long time because of the randomness of any given session
When you enter the wasteland for the first time, I was practically a kid, about 13. This made me fall in love with the game and I was amazed at this huge open world full of things to explore. I remember even reading all the terminal entries etc and finding Megaton. I will forever be in love with this game, it made me crave worlds and games LIKE THIS ONE and I was sad there wasn't much if any others (of the time) with the same level of freedom.
EDIT: I seem to remember hearing that the Dev's for Fallout 3 needed to work on something else, anything else, after the game was finished. This being due to how depressing they felt the game was, that they all felt down because of it's drab pallet, hellish and lonely world. All parts that made it an amazing game IMO, but it would affect you if you work on this kind of world for years...
Funny enough your character was also a kid. Only 19
Yes the value for money must be crazy for anyone who bothered to give it a chance. I also made the mistake so I can go with this.
Fall new Vegas doesn't feel like you are in a nuclear wasteland more like the wild west or something. Fallout 3 is more a better story starting in a vault as you should in fallout shelter? People need to play again even for time killer it's a break from playing Dying light or GTA.
Unrelated: *But can we talk about how useless the Chinese pistol was?*
Maybe that was the point of it, like a joke about chinese products
@@Hrodric Idk... the best assault rifle in the game is the Xian-Long Chinese AK.
Bothered me so much I literally made a mod for myself to buff the piece of garbage to be use able.
@@Snoogen11 aks are Russian
@@anon-bo4hg Not in fallout.
I never thought it was a bad game; I liked it a lot. But damn, now I want to play it again.
Same lol
Too bad the Bethesda online hate train is trying to convince everyone that Bethesda was never good. Even though Obsidian has never produced a game on par with Bethesda's best works, Obsidiots will find some way to nitpick and bullshit about how New Vegas is a God-tier game and that anything with Bethesda's name on it is irredeemable garbage. It's even funnier when Obsidiots praise New Vegas for being a better role playing game when it's actually a worse role playing game due to how they ruined skill checks.
@@comicsans1689 never? Outer world's? Tyranny? Pillars of Eternity? I loved old Bethesda, but they had quite a few shit games too. Yes the Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 were good, but Obsidian has consistently put out amazing games since they began.
@ScorchedCrow95
>Outer Worlds
Garbage, just mediocre garbage. The writing is subpar for an Obsidian game (especially since they replaced Chris Avellone with even more liberal and pretentious writers), the characters and their designs are terrible, and the promise of deep role playing was not fulfilled. The only reason anyone liked the game is due to the Bethesda hate train and the fact that the RPG market is so shallow that people will accept sub-par games. The Outer Worlds clearly needed more development time, a recurring them with just about every game Obsidian has ever made.
>Tyranny
I've actually played a little bit of it when it was free one weekend on Steam, and it seemed interesting in its premise. I would need to play more of it before passing a final judgement.
>Pillars of Eternity
I haven't played it, but it looks alright.
@@comicsans1689 I cannot agree at all about Outer Worlds. Not one bit. It was exactly what I wanted when I bought it, and nearly everyone else agrees.
The point about the trickery used to give the DC ruins a better sense of scale really explains a lot. My memory of wandering the ruins when I was a kid so many years ago feels a lot bigger than it actually is upon revisiting while actively thinking about it
Yeah I prefer DC to New Vegas because the Super Mutants of DC provide a much more tangible impediment than the 2000 caps requirement of NV.
I personly prefer NV, but i really enjoyed Fallout 3. I really loved some of the more cinematic events in Fallout 3, like Vertibirds landing and takeing off, that was really cool. Downtown DC was really fun to explore. Also, i never really felt as chaimed down as i did in NV. In NV every town is like "NCR and Legion are about to fight, help us do this and we will have a better chance to survive", but in 3 not every town or settlement is japping about the water conflict and give you quests that were disconnected from the main story, makeing the quests feel more diverce.
Them being so disconnected also makes the whole main event feel more small and unimportant
"Oh whats that, clean water everywhere for the first time since the nukes? meh just pretend it does not exist"
Granted with fallout 3's map layout of being a complete disconnected clusterfuck (raiders/super mutants ect seperating non hostile areas for the most part) does make some sense for it,
NV's map can't really afford this, as it is a lot more civilised and more like if people actually spent the last 200 years getting their shit together and trying to build a life for themselves instead of 70% just faffing around being raiders. This layout means that the civil parts are more connected and thus word gets around of the wider world, especially when you take into account they know whats going on not just around New Vegas from both the east(legion) and west (NCR) which means they have to at least acknowledge if something huge is happening around them.
Idk maybe cuz the legion and NCR are the biggest factions. Kind of like how everyone in Fallout 3 were talking aabout the brotherhood and the Enclave.
@@antoine121 Who other then main quest related NPCs and brother/enclave talked about the Enclave?
@@Sone01TheFirst
But its easily explained why people of the Capitol waste are not jumping to it. There is no way they should believe that there would ever be any hope of large scale pure water.
@@Sone01TheFirst Every city that had the broken steel quest involved with it most of fallout 3 towns.
No lie, I just have this on while playing another game.
But I say that not to take away from the video, but rather I want to highlight what you have done. Even though this is a 2 hour video, the editing on the video is precisely what you are talking about. Even though someone (like me) has this on play on the background, once you say something quite intriguing, we can just tab in to look at what you are talking about.
I mean, it'd be A LOT easier if you just played random fallout clips while you "ranted", but that's what low effort people do. What you do is, is you play specific clips, and you make good arguments, not just rant.
First time watching your channel, and I must say that you are a gem.
I think the argument about New Vegas using roads so often as safer passageways vs Fallout 3's roads often being the most dangerous makes sense given the state of each area in the lore.
The New Vegas area by that time is a place with many settlements all connected by roads, and there are constantly caravans and couriers traveling these paths to make deliveries and sell goods to the settlements, to the point where there's actually companies employing these professions specifically. These people are typically well armed and/or escorted by bodyguards, and that makes them hard targets for any typical raider or fiend group to take out for their supplies, or even for most creatures of the wastes. On top of that, since caravans have the backing of a hugely influential entity backed by the NCR like the Crimson Caravan Company, it makes sense that the CCC would invest in ensuring their trade routes are secure and their employees aren't in any really serious danger, plus the NCR also actively makes efforts to ensure their people are safe from any major uncontained threats as well.
There's also what makes the roads dangerous in 3 to consider. That would primarily be Super Mutants, slavers, and the Enclave later on.
Since in New Vegas Super Mutants are all either holed up in Black Mountain or Jacobstown (all of whom are non-violent anyways), that's no longer a real issue.
The Enclave got wiped out in 3 and is now effectively down to only 4 members, none of which even really want to continue fighting the Brotherhood or the people anyways, so that's also no longer an issue.
As for the slavers, by the time of New Vegas in the eastern region, Caesar's Legion is basically the only form of slavers left. It's likely the NCR made sure that any major slave operation was taken out, since I doubt they'd let that happen considering how vital all their citizens are to supplying them with necessary resources.
Odds are no one will see or read this whole thing, but it's a thought I had that I wanted to share anyways.
Fr tho this is the most logical out look
One thing to note is that Caesars' lands are actually better for traders than the NCRs. Caesars has basically wiped out or assimilated all the tribes in his area. Couple that with how brutal he is to his enemies and the raiders have left for easier targets, namely the NCR.There's even a trader in his camp that says he would rather trade in Caesars' land and they're fine as long as you respect their beliefs.
The NCR has over extended and we constantly hear about it during New Vegas' playthrough. The Brahman Barons have a vice grip on the government and have forced the majority of their military to defend their farms. Its why caravan companies are so reliant on hired guns to protect their cargo. While there aren't a huge amount of enemies on the roads in New Vegas you can find quite a few fiends camps on the road all the way up to the strip.
@Spawn
Why would I get flamed by NV fanboys? I'm actively defending the game from a criticism by pointing out the differences in settings.
But yeah, I really don't get why the community tends to divide itself into one of two camps of "Bethesda bad" or "Bethesda good" and expect that to be everyone's standard. I really like certain aspects of all the games and go to each for specific reasons. I say just let people like what they like.
@@randomlorenerd6040
That's true, but a few fiend and raider gangs/camps dotted around the map near the roads is still leagues safer than most of the other regions of the American wastelands otherwise at least.
Can’t believe I’m reading all this at 2:12am and I got work tm but that shit kinda interesting😂
It's so nice seeing everyone else talk about their experiences with fallout 3 in the comments. Fallout 3 was my first fallout experience and i was 11-12 when i played it. The moment that sticks with me the most is my first run to super-duper for Moira, seeing the market with bodies hanging from the street lights and even inside on the ceiling made me feel uneasy. The way Fallout 3 made me actually feel terrified of my surroundings makes me love this game. Currently replaying for the first time in 7 years and I'm absolutely loving it.
I've gone on to play Fallout 4, and 76(at launch 💀)and a little bit of Fallout 1. I own all the main games on steam and plan on playing New Vegas after I finish 3 and it's dlc
This is still my favorite TED Talk.
Logan Thomas yeah but when will ted talk
*TODD talk
Brilliant
Are you inbred?
@@kusipaa8683 if he’s a fan of fallout 1/2 he probably is, you’ll have to ask though
Shoot children and they don't die?
Sounds like a job for myth busters
@@chaosvader3516 lol
High calibre. Fully automatic. This is a job for a fiddy.
This this is gold
Beat my children
I meant to say bear my children but this also works
Being a FO1 and 2 fanboy, I enjoyed FO3. I also love NV. I don’t think it has to be one way or the other. Yes I prefer NV over FO3 but only due to the factions. Both are great FO games.
I agree, I've played fallout 1, 2, 3, New Vegas. They were all great.
I find it more and more that people a part of the Fallout community put their emotions wholeheartedly into their beliefs and actions, mostly in regards to the fans who think their games superior and objectively better in the areas where such a statement can be dubious. You can like Fallout NV better or vice versa, but people get too hung up nowadays about the franchise and act with great emotional conviction, so it's always nice to see a person who sees the enjoyment of all the games.
You're all heroes to the community.
I think the factions were the weak point of New Vegas, especially later on when you have to deal with them and the artifical requirement that you wipe out the alternatives (unless like me you use mods). Caesar's Legion did not work for me, I know some people like it but it felt weak. For me, New Vegas works best when you're not on the main plot line, which is also when Fallout 3 works best.
Darin Johnson Yea, I can see that. After a few play throughs the legion end up feeling a little tacked on at the last minute. However, the first play throughs of each faction surprised and intrigued me way more than FO3. Legion being the least fun of course, but still interesting and unique.
One thing i always loved from Fo3 is the way you can approach problems from unconventional ways. "Escape from Paradise" has you rescuing the little lamp brats, but one wants to stay behind, Penny who wants you to rescue Rory. When you and Rory have to make it to the exit, you have two options; kill all the slavers or tell Rory to run and hope he doesn't die in the process, which he likely will. However if your skill is high enough you can pick pocket all the slavers' weapons including the minigun from the sentry over the platform (also don't forget the unique pool stick, unarmed slavers will try to use it) once everyone is disarmed you can reverse pick-pocket Rory that very same minigun. When you tell him to make a break for it, all the slavers are going to run towards him with their bare fists, while he uses the minigun. He is going to kill all the slavers in his way and you won't get good karma or lose standing with them. It's basically Butch 2.0 in which you empower an NPC so he can save himself, the game never telegraphs to you this, it is an option you have however because it counts on you being crafty.
Holy shit, that's genius
It's not exclusive to Fallout 3, that's all Bethesda games.
Lol. Never thought to do the quest _that_ way. Might give it a go. 😅
@@thegamerfe8751I've never really experienced something of the sort in Skyrim
I don't know if this is a glitch but even when I release the prisoners and give them weapons and healing items they don't use the weapons or the healing and just die
I know there isn't a real benefit to rescuing them besides role play
But I'd like to have that memory of awesome things I've done regardless of whether they're useful or not
Can do that in any mission where someone gets involved in combat at some point. But it's fun yea
Fallout 3 had this crazy vibe that the others can’t replicate. A certain creepiness and loneliness about the capital wasteland. My first game on the 360! Sparked the biggest love for a franchise
How is it more crazy than where people are literally tribal or where the ost alone is foreboding?
Felt too much like the bombs dropped only years in Fallout 3, where its been 200 and some years.
This is so damn right dude, the metros especially were creepy af!!
Aliekexie The atmosphere man. DC was a depressing wasteland, you can nuke a city, paradise falls, the Pitt, Point look out, even just green color filter made it feel so much more apocalyptic than the other Fallouts. I agree New Vegas is better, but New Vegas is much more civilized, and just doesn’t have that same feeling. They tried it with Dead money, but Dead money was anything but good
T-Pose Kek yesss the green color filter! Definitely added to the atmosphere
I love when enemies start infighting in games. It really helps the world feel more alive, the idea that you aren't the center of everything, and not everyone is out to get you.
Manawolfman Thats why Life (the game where in now) is one of the best games you'll play
Life has shit gameplay and characters tbh there's even a bug where you can't respawn
It has decent graphics I guess but that's it
WhiteKnight I didn't have the 'University' dlc either so my education is shit :/ ah well at least I still have an xbox360 with Fallout 3 goty 😂
@@enzodriver the Life tutorial goes for at least 12 years- more if you want to have starting perks.
I hear a song by _the ink spots_ I am compelled to play another 100 hrs of fallout 3...
Nice video you made hopefully, no UA-camr would make a 8-hour documentary explaining why fallout 3 is doo doo, and I try to watch the video and wasted 5 hours of my life I will never get back to, man that would be embarrassing...right guys?
Hbomberguy: Fallout 3 is garbage (And here is why)
Many a true nerd: Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think
When the 2 smart kids in class get different answer
Everyone becomes scared when that happens...
it's hiiiiigh noon...
Me as the observer: *Things are getting interesting...*
Civil war
When the 2 smart kids in class get it wrong...
The first time you step out of the vault in FO3 and your eyes adjust to the sunlight, there is just nothing like it. The intro is long, but every minute of it is pure gold.
For the first few times when you explore all the options. Then it's almost an hour of agony.
@@theblancmange1265 Yeah, you need to make a save file right before the exit, when you can reconsider all the attributes
No its not the intro is annoying
Legit the same thing happens when u leave Doc Mitchells house. Not fanboying.
Also in FO4 just saying…
I grew up in Washington DC and this video reminded me of that incredible first moment of exiting the vault and seeing my home as the Capitol Wasteland. Powerful stuff.
wow
who
I grew up in vegas...same feels
Yeah me too I grew up in Arlington so I probably biased, but it's surprising to hear that people don't think this was a good game
@@liamconverse8950 Sadly, I'm no longer surprised to find out that people hate something the rest of us just enjoyed.
I thought 3 was better than 4 , 4 felt more like a chore, I rushed to beat it by the end. For 3 I had fun reading every letter on every typewriter.
Unpopular Opinion:
Both 3 and NV are good for different reasons.
I agree with this, BUT the things that make FNV good are what makes the Fallout series unique and special. FO3 is good because it does the Bethesda RPG sandbox-exploration formula well. It's weak in the narrative sense.
NV had good dialogue
NV would be better if it wasn't riddled with bugs upon release. I hope Obsidian fixes its engine one day and re-releases it, because I think it would do well.
Ones in a city one is in a dessert
@@KidaMilo89 It's bethesda's engine.
6:20 Slightly different, but in Fallout: New Vegas, if you encourage Arcade Gannon to fight in "For Auld Lang Syne," you get a different quest reward than not encouraging him to fight. If you get the Enclave remnants armor, he will use the alternative reward himself, which is a set of power armor with great DT and skill boosts that are tailored to him specifically.
Fallout 3 the first mention of the enclave comes from Nathan in megaton when you open dialogue with him he supports enclave because they are trying to save the wasteland or something like that
No enclave radio happens the second you leave the vault
@@Whatamievingdoing , yes but you don't know about what they really are until they show up. You hear vague descriptions but you dont get hit in the teeth with them until they hit tou in the teeth
@@unknownchicken2284 fallout 2 exists, fallout fans know what the enclave is from the time they start playing fallout 3, have you forgotten the characters frank horrigan dick Richardson, sgt. Granite, sgt. dornan etc.
@@Whatamievingdoing he was talking about just Fallout 3. Obviously most Fallout 3 players don't even know about Fallout 1 & 2
I killed everyone in that town
One of my fondest memories from FO3 was being in the wasteland, picking a map marker, and just going for it.
Just seeing gameplay from fallout 3 and NV makes me a little sad. Remnants of a better time for the series.
Ugh, I know.. I wish Fallout 4 wasn't so crappy RPG-wise.
Remnants of a better time in Gaming tbh with today's micro-transactions in fucking everything.
@Albert Wesker I think you are right. Fallout 4 wasn't a terrible game but I couldn't finish it. You'd think that since Bethesda refuses to change engines they would at least be masters with what they work with but no. Every game is still a buggy mess on release. FO3 is one of my favorite games but I'm not interested in their future titles at this point.
Stop pretending like 3 is any better then 4.
@Conn Benn they are still better then EA
"It's ghouls, I tell ya. Religious ghouls in rockets looking for a land to call their own."
It is, a side quest in fallout new vegas
@@aircoolbro21scndling49 Hello Captain Obvious! lol
Don't you laugh at me. I know a spell that will make you show your true form. Cave rat taught it to me
Commie ghosts
@@aircoolbro21scndling49 it's actually just radio commentary
I wonder if this is what it looked like to argue between Protestantism and Catholicism 500 years ago.
I doubt those arguments were as intense as those in the fallout community
@@bakingbad2992 def
Fallout fans talk about specifics in the quests
Doubt most people knew the bible as much as fallout fans know every single line of script
Well they literally killed each other, so sadly no.
500 years ago? Try Northern Ireland or Rangers vs Celtic
@@Renovartio well, the Catholics started it....
This was not only my first fallout game but also the first game i got for the ps3 and it absolutely blew my mind being 12 years old at the time. Fallout 3 will always be in my top ten games. Absolute masterpiece!
Except the ending was so bad they need to replace it
Well, the previous games in the Fallout series, despite their old age in graphical terms, are much more action-packed, events and options for the development of these events compared to Fallout 3. Therefore, I would say that this game is definitely not bad, but not just as good as you imagine.
Holy god I never knew that Arkansas was a good guy. Now I feel infinitely bad for killing him every play through.
That's the thing tho, is he? He tries to kill you because he thinks you just might be a slaver, hes probably killed a lot of slavers, but hes probably also killed a bunch of innocent people just trying to get by too. So, what's the right decision? That's the reason fallout 3 is good.
@Conn Benn exactly, so is he a good person? He shoots strangers in sight on the chance that they are bad people.
@Conn Benn I mean, it does say in the game guide that his goal is to kill slavers but he attacks you just because he thinks you are one, not a lot of nuance there, especially if they said it outright.
One of the escaped slaves mention Arkansas being an escaped slave
@@APlayfulLittleBlend Yes very good complex choice, "kill someone trying to kill me or not kill someone trying to kill me" very sophisticated.
Fallout arguments somed up in one sentence:
Do you like Green or Orange?
I wanted orange. It gave me lemon-lime.
@@avalonjustin I wanted green, it gave me acute radiation poisoning
Hehehe peasants,I made both huds *blue*
Bright orange. Not that dull sand yellow of new Vegas. I changed my hud in 4 to be bright orange
Not gonna lie, that resume everything very good.
I was stunned by the scene where you leave the vault and are blinded by the light. It felt like being IN the game for me.
F:NV does the exact same thing when you step out of doc michells house.
@@starvoyager2094 but you tend to remember the first time you had a specific experience more vividly. I found bullet time in Matrix boring since I already had that experience from Requiem using "warp time".
@@starvoyager2094 also it was not nearly as amazing cause in fo3 you see a large portion of the map including the captiol building, sprinvale, the broken bridge.
You were totally wrapped up like a deuce another runner in the nigh
Fallout 3: I love for the exploration
Fallout NV: For the diverse characters
Fallout 4: for the weapon customization and ease of modification for even more weapon customization (and maybe outfit mods)
For me, my love of Fallout 4 is for the settlements. I've been playing it since it came out and I STILL haven't completely the primary main story (although I have done all the DLCs) because I love building up settlements. And then I get a new idea for how to build the settlement so I start a new game.
I loved Fallout 3 when it came out, just exploring the wasteland and discovering stuff.
finding old computers with history in them. made the game feel more alive.
In an interview some Bethesda representative said they were more inspired by Fallout and not so much by Fallout 2 when making Fallout 3. This makes sense since I've always considered Fallout and Fallout 3 to be more similar, and Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas to have more in common. So I think a lot comes down to if you liked Fallout or Fallout 2 better, if you preferred dark and terrible or if you preferred funny cameos and slapstick humour (just kidding. I liked Fallout 2, but it *is* very different from Fallout). On another note Fallout 3 came out during an era when games were being dumbed down considerably, and for Bethesda to make a open world game that didn't spoon feed you was a risk taking. Personally I love the Fallout universe and I like that Fallout 3 went back to the dark, gritty roots of Fallout.
I thought i was the only one who thought of that because nobody mentions it.
Thank you.
@@Joe-lu8og Well, that interview was from back when they released the game sometime, so it's a long time ago.
I agree that the world of fo3 is very similar to that of fo1 and not fo2, but in other places you can see strong influences from fo2.
At this point, Fallout New Vegas is getting so overrated, even Obsidian is getting annoyed by it
@Manek Iridius it's not that hard dude. Theres 3 stealth boys in good springs alone, and you can easily ut straight through black mountain and avoid literally everything. Nothing wrong with the initial loop though, it's used exceedingly well to introduce every major and minor player in the game and makes the journey to Vegas feel that much more daunting.
Personally I love this game.
It was my first fallout and gave me my love for the series. It will always have a special place in my collection for that.
Honestly it was a great experience when it came out, but the story was probably the weakest part, which means it aged poorly in certain areas compared to modern games.
@@HiDefHDMusic ew Vegas story is horrendous
@@stephenl2571 Good joke you 🤡
Fallout 3 was amazing. A memory of a era. Exploration heaven.
@@stephenl2571 ye ye it’s popular to hate on new vegas, but fo4 completely shits on fo3 story hahaha all it takes for clean water is just to dig a hole or slap some scrap metal together to make a purifier
It's so refreshing to hear someone talk about the good things Fallout 3 did.
I'm one of those people who's first Fallout was 3. I 100%ed the game and all it's dlc multiple times over and loved every minute of it but when it came to trying out Fallout New Vegas, I personally disliked it "by comparison". I've never been able to quite put it into words why, but that whole section about the grandiose moments/locations in fo3 really nailed one of my main grievances. I always just used to say that I thought foNV was bland, but what I really meant is there are very few locations that genuinely feel "important" or "special" or "awesome". New Vegas itself was pretty, but so so small, Hoover Dam felt grandiose but outside of a couple other spots, everything felt like everything else, so bland I can barely remember any of them. Meanwhile I remember so much of fo3 so fondly because there was variety and spectacle in so many of the spaces.
tl;dr fo3 > nv imo (especially in terms of it's world and "spectacle")
It's a wasteland. It's supposed to be mundane and barren for the most part. The focus is instead dedicated to the tensions between various characters and factions, and also freedom in how the play chooses to interact with those elements. This is what New Vegas excels in.
While I agree nv excels in it's character interactivity, games still benefit greatly from visually stimulating and unique settings. Fallout 3, despite also being a wasteland, managed to be varied and interesting visually so it's not impossible to make a wasteland that way.
In my personal opinion, nv was just too bland looking for my taste (I mean, I still played right through it, it's still a great game, I just preferred 3)
@@Rorius I think it depends on the mood the game is going for. If the game is trying to sell you a destroyed world filled with death, war and tension, then proceeds to fill said world with visually stunning locations that impress the player, that would be antithetical to the premise of the game.
In Fallout's case, the world is barren because there realistically would not be that many impressive vistas left after the world has been annihilated and it's remaining inhabitants are making due with scraps. You may not prefer it, but thematically it makes complete sense and in this case, the game benefits from not going that route.
And as for Fallout 3, Bethesda's locations may be impressive on surface level, but if you think about the logistics of them for 2 minutes, you will realize a lot make little to no sense within the context of the world.
Just my 2 cents, lol. You're free to prefer fo3 I just enjoy discussing these things
When it comes to videogames, there's a balance developers have to make between realism/purely logical reasoning, and spectacle/game-feel/fun. Ultimately when I play games, I appreciate games that don't focus too heavily on realism when its at the cost of fun.
An example of this I always use is my enjoyment of the driving in gta4 vs saints row 3.
gta4 decided to try emulate reality and make the driving feel heavy and realistic and I hated it (a sentiment shared by most from what I've heard). Conversely, sr3 went for pure control and the driving was super satisfying and fun.
And to be fair, fallout was never really all that realistic? This is the game series with the aliens and the elvis gang and the flesh monster fused with a computer who you can convince to end their tyrany with just words.
Sorry, I don't mean to rant, I get a little carried away discussing these kinds of things as well heheh
But yea, it's all subjective in the end
Probably most fun I had on a first play through of any game. Being my first fallout and giant open world rpg I died quickly a few times running out in random directions.
I didnt see megaton until after several hours of play time. I avoided it thinking the "Megaton" sign said "Caution" . My first playthrough experience was epic because of this.
I wondered the desert hardly surviving encounters with lone dogs and raiders until I saw tenpenny towers in the distance. I finaly get there and earn my way in by brokering a peace deal between the nearby ghouls and the residents inside. Having everybody living together, it was the only town I knew of, only place I could trade, and I sucked at combat so it was a nice safe area. I make my way back to the tower one day after a bit of exploring just to find all of the residents murdered by the ghouls I helped let in. The once bright, clean, and bustling tower is now dark, dingy, and filled with ghouls that betrayed us. I was alone again with no one to trade with.
I move out into the desert until I run into a few raiders who know of an oasis of trees they are heading toward. They see me coming and attack me with a sawed off shotgun, I bested them and took their gun and map. Now began the long walk to "Oasis". On my way there I run into anothef group of survivors in arefu, and do my best to complete their vampire quest before eventualy getting to oasis.
Keep in mind this is all before I get to Megaton and get going on the main quest, and also my first time seeing or learning of anything fallout related. All happened by accident. Best experience in gaming.
That's how it's supposed to be played
I feel like this only proves MATN’s point. The fact that you were able to have this incredibly engaging experience by fucking off in the wrong direction and almost (dare I say it) role playing as an actual lone survivor gives credence to the video’s main point.
I envy you, you know. Nothing quite compares to the time you're first let loose in a giant sandbox.
When I read that you helped the Ghouls and you were excited that this would lead to more people to trade with at The Tower, I yelled "Oh No" lmao
r u ratarded
My youtube recommendations be like :
Fallout 3 is bad and here’s why!
Fallout 3 wasn’t that bad
Fallout NV the best
Fallout 4 did some things better than NV
Confusion
welcome to the work of 10 years.
is this progress? no.
is this why god is going to kill us all? probably.
did you leave your stove on? I don't know, I don't live with you.
It's called "different people having different opinions".
"Fallout fans are THE WOOOORST."
-A Fallout fan
It’s hard to appreciate NV when you know how much of the game was cut. 3 feels like a much more complete game
@@jebalitabb8228 the game was actually scraped a little over 15 years ago most of the script and storyboard was already made which is why it took em 18 months to complete most of it.
...And welcome to Jon's no-breathing marathon.
I defiantly wouldn't want to have to wright the script for this 2 hour video, however I assume he just wrote down some general points and eleborated on them.
Seeing as how you can't spell anything at all, I would not want you writing scripts either, Walking Stash.
Shamino Warhen, I do have minor dyslexia by the way, but I get it, my inability to spell gets no end of jokes from my mates anyway lol
Exotic Bat, I honestley thought Tuesday was spelt Teusday (The e and the u the wrong way around) until I was thirteen and someone pointed it out to me. I have to use autocorrect for half of the words I type because my spelling is just so bad lol.
Honudes Gai
UA-cam*
I know what you're thinking, this fucker has no friends! Well, that's incorrect because my friends are the guys at the bar at Chernobyl, all of my 22 fingers, 5 toes, and 15 arms are my friends. Took me a few years to live in Chernobyl, drink radiation waste everyday, and eat nutritious bugs to get this sexy body I have acquired.
FNV is my favorite Fallout game, no question, but I love F3 as well. I have no patience for people who put down F3.
Thank you. This is rhe comment i needed for my sanity
Those people aren't worth the effort. If they think New Vegas is great while Fallout 3 is terrible there's just something wrong with their brains. The game's are too similar to each other for only one of them to be considered good while the other isn't. Makes no sense to me.
Same. And New Vegas wouldnt exist if it wasnt for Fallout 3. 3 was an integral part of its creation.
Well, then I hope you don't necessarily feel the same way about Fallout 4 and Starfield, especially if they do so for _good_ reasons.
@@TheBreakingBenny I was totally unimpressed with Fallout 4. I felt no connection with the game, and found it vastly inferior to either F3 or FNV. I'm not into space games, so it is unlikely that I will ever play Starfield.
Exiting the vault in Fallout 3 was legit an iconic gaming moment. Seeing it is like a direct shot of nostalgia.
that moment you step out into the sun, your eyes adjust, and you survey your surroundings, and say to yourself ugh i instantly regret my decision, this world is fucking horrible. but that's what makes 3 a great game. the grim desolate world, that is struggling just to stay alive. where most people leave because of how dangerous it is. i love it.
and honestly i know people hate the green filter, i love it. it makes the world feel more grim.
I got chills
@@emilydavis9548 i like new vegas and 4, but as nerd said. those 2 games feel like people are rebuilding, 3 feels like people can't because of how terrible the dc wasteland is.
i swear when you go back to vault 101 for one last time for the side quest idek how to explain it but you know what im talking about. i got cucked by Amata
The overseer cockblocked me when he knows I wouldve been knee deep into those cheeks
What a nice little Mother's Day for this. Watched this with my Mother. She has just started looking into playing Fallout and 3 is the first one she is going to do. She has seen all of your Fallout. But this has really given her more insight then me trying to explain it.
So, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. I truly enjoy seeing how well she picks up games. Your channel has really given her the more modern love for gaming. She started me out on Atari long ago.
Delaclease bullshit
Delaclease she shoulda started with New Vegas
This is adorable and makes me really happy. 🌻👌🏻
You nearly gave me a heart attack when you said it was Mother's Day and I'd thought I'd forgotten.
But its alright because our Mother's Day is in March so I forgot 2 months ago.
Delaclease
Fuckup 3 is a terrible entry to start.
Don't listen to this Bugthestard's fanboying.
I was 14 when fallout 3 came out and it was the first fallout game I've ever played. I instantly fell deeply in love with the game. I LOVE the barren wasteland when you exit the vault. It was such a wondrous feeling. Oh and the music. The old time music just made it infinitely better.
I just started playing it yesterday, my first fallout game as well! I swear I love it so much, this game is great
@@Rubinkys hope you enjoy the game as I did m8
me too! i was the same age too, and i just could never again put it down
Funny enough I was a big ES fan and didn’t think much of fallout 3 until my dad decided to buy it. Blew me away how good that game was. I even got a vault boy tattoo because I was a dumb 17 year old at the time haha
I first played it on 360, didn't really get into it, since at the time, I didn't care for RPGs.
Then I played Skyrim and loved it. Went back to FO3 and loved it since I understood the story.
If you sneak past the first guard while he's busy with the roaches, he will have dialogue talking to himself and then he will go to butch and refuse to help him and tell butch to go back to his room. Whether or not you helped butch will affect his reply when the guard asks if butch saw you anywhere. All that content from sneaking when normally most people would engage the guard immediately within seconds after talking to amata.
Fallout 3 is a classic.
Leaving 101 and seeing the Capitol wasteland the first time was a powerful and unforgettable moment. First time FO3 players, you're gonna love it
The best ever Fallout moment in history.
Oh def! I remember my first thought being something along the lines of HOLY S**T!! Quickly followed by 'Which way should I go?' Then, 'Nevermind...just start walking. Carefully'. ;)
It’s a shame most times the moment is interrupted by a level up screen. It really ruins the moment for me.
So true. It's so memorable.
unless you already saw it in oblivion then it's just more of the same
Many a True Nerd: *discusses all the ways to get into Paradise Falls*
Me who just used my minigun to make it rain: Yeah totally
Used a combat shotty for some Hail
im american and I think new vegas should he remastered
I didn’t even know there was peaceful way to get the slaves out I always just murdered the slavers
there’s a peaceful way to get the slaves out of paradise falls?
*loads almost 700 rounds into every slaver*
nah, I’m just going to keep killing the slavers anyway
For some reason I always used Hunting Rifle in that game, as much as possible.
I'm probably the only person on earth that enjoyed the DC metro system.
Nothing like crawling through dark tunnels hearing the footsteps of wandering Ghouls.
@@darkmammoth2232 I mean... it's basically the whole Metro trilogy right there, and I can't say it turned out that badly :)
I like how it actually feels like the metro. I would know, I live in fallout 3 irl.
I enjoyed it.
Your not the only one.
For me, the FO3 experience will never be the same without is also being on the PS3. I love playing on PC, but when I first played fallout, it was on a PS3 in a dimly lit basement, and something about the combination of the PS3's UI, sounds, the feeling of the controller, (and that basement setting too), made the experience so much more memorable for me. Anyone else?
I’m from the DC metro area. I live near the real location of Germantown and have spent my life taking the metro into DC. I work in Alexandria which is near Annandale… the immersion I got playing FO3 will never be topped
Fallout 3 has this unsettling, unnerving, unwritten, underlying creepiness that New Vegas didn't really have for me at first; not quite the same level anyway. Don't get me wrong, NV has a great aesthetic and I love it for entirely different reasons. Old World Blues and Dead Money nailed the vibes I was craving in base game but 3's DLCs only further enhanced what I was already loving. I cannot deny that NV improved the mechanics and gave a much needed scratch for the itchy old fans but my heart belongs to 3.
I guess what it boils down to is: New Vegas makes me feel like a cowboy. Fallout 3 makes me feel like a spaceman.
The classic battle between the Western and the Sci-Fi. Which, again, I'm a huge fan of both.
I know what you mean; whenever I play the game I always have this sense of anxiety, that at any moment I could be attacked without warning or that there would be some trap about to go off. Any time I play the game I can't get away from that feeling, and it is only heightened when I'm in buildings or subways; the game has an amazing atmosphere.
Yes, Fallout New Vegas gives the normal city dwelling vibe. There are law and order, You're mostly safe and secure thanks to the locals rebuilding the society.
Fallout 3 is like an unending claustrophobia. There are very few settlements struggling survive. Raiders everywhere. Wild Radiated Animals and Ghouls still persists throughout the entire region as no one cleansed them. When you step on to a place, there is a good chance no one came here in the last hundred years or maybe more.
Yeah and Fallout 3 feels a lot more desolate, with people barely clinging to life. New Vegas has a more livelier feel to it. Obviously horrible stuff is still happening but there's more optimism to balance that out.
@@TheRedRobin96 Is Fallout New Vegas' liveliness as bad as 4's? Because 4, to me, feels extremely light hearted.
@@CloudStrife-rw8bj I didn't say it was bad I was just agreeing that they both had completely different feels.
Fallout 3 was the first RPG I ever played. It was years after it came out, I was maybe 14 or 15 (I'm now 20). The game did a great job of helping me connect with my character, that the other Fallout games haven't done. I get attached to OTHER characters, but not my own. But because the LW is a teenager I just felt that easier to relate to than an adult (and in FO4's case, a lawyer/soldier). And the game giving you LIAM NEESON as your attentive, kind dad who just wants the best for people? That was really nice for me, who was at the time starting to come to terms with how bad my father was as a person.
I legitimately cried when James died. It might just be me, but it was very emotional (granted I'm quite an emotional person, but rarely to the point of tears).
Just from that, it's my favourite Fallout game. Yeah, FO4 has better combat and FNV has more character creating to do, but neither made me cry. Just my own personal experience with the game, but it's one of my faves of all time and I really want to reinstall it and play through it now I'm slightly older than the player character.
I feel fallout 3 has a nice blend between making you appreciate your character and the NPCs. Alot like what skyrim achieved, but wirh more care for yourself.
This is like me but with Oblivion. Oblivion is so fucking amazing it's the best of fallout or elder scrolls
Only fallout 3 stays in your heart
Jon, this video is amazing.
You singlehandedly have made me ( a person who dosent really like fallout 3) want to actually play it, Jon this video is just...no words incredible
FUse 8P You genuinely couldn't have explained it any better
Matthew McCarthy I just reinstalled while watching it
FUse 8P
Fuckup 3 is garbage.
Fallout 3 has, and always will be, a better game than New Vegas.
Matthew McCarthy
Someone's really desperate.
Try that again, kiddo.
Man, I just love rewatching this UA-cam Epic every once in a while.
I understand that Fallout 3 has plenty of flaws, but there’s still a lot to love. One specific reason that F3 is so close to my heart is my dad. When the game released, I was young and went to spend most of my weekends with my dad while living with my mom during the week. For personal reasons, he was going through some hard times, but he really loved playing this game. He suffered from really bad insomnia, and he recounted many of his favorite stories from the game to me. When he couldn’t sleep, he would turn on the TV and play Fallout 3. The vibe and atmosphere that the game created were very interesting while also being relaxing (like heavy rain or a medium thunderstorm). I’ll never forget how he talked about how cool it was to go into the Museum of Freedom and find the Lincoln Repeater without any walkthrough or quest telling him to do so. My dad was never huge into video games, but he did enjoy them from time to time. He grew up with the Atari 2800 and other things like that, and was well into his 30’s by the time Fallout 3 came out. Looking back, I just realized he even rented the game from Blockbuster. Thankfully, my dad is still with us, and I’m living with him now. He’s a lot better, and I couldn’t be more thankful for him and the rest of my family. I’ve given all this setup for a reason. I’ve seen countless video essays and content creators, who I genuinely enjoy, criticize this game and be quite harsh. Whenever I’ve seen this, I’ve had this twinge in my gut. Although I completely comprehend and sometimes agree with the criticisms leveled at this game, these essays and reviews always feel oddly personal. It often feels like an attack on something that has huge meaning to me. I know I’m likely in a small percentage of people who have such an emotional bond with this specific game, but I believe that many people have similar stories and experiences with other games. I just want to give a thank-you to Jon for defending an imperfect game that has a lot of meaning to me personally. It’s nice to see someone else enjoy this game for what it is instead of comparing it to every other game in existence. New Vegas may be better, but Fallout 3 will always have a special place in my heart.
I totally understand how you feel about this game. The vibe is hard to replicate with the newest games..
Tldr no one cares
@@ax23mgh8 daddy issues?
I honestly thought you were referring to the F3 key on the keyboard until I remembered that fallout starts with f
@@ax23mgh8 You're a rude fuck
I always thought it was logical that you had to follow the roads in New Vegas, since it's a lot more civilised environment and they are more preserved. NV doesn't want to be the baren wasteland like in fallout 3, that's one of the biggest differences between the games
Yes, that was absolutely an intentional difference in design philosophy. The two games are different and neither is inherently superior in that regard IMHO.
Jonathan Rogers
Nice strawman. The point is that New Vegas has actual logic (within its universe) in its roads. The roads are supposed to be more safe and closer to civilization, and the "emptier areas" are supposed to be basically wilderness with less protection and people.
Quit trying to deflect his argument and putting your crappy game in a bubble, like every Bugthestard before you.
I Will Redeem This Land Stop being a buthurt fanboy, no one here came close to throwing any personal insults until you came but-bleeding-in... I have been gaming since early 80' (and played original Wasteland on Amiga, then F and F2 as they came) but never dared to "challenge F3 is garbage zealots" because it is so hard to deal with fanatics... I had and new all these FULLY VALID arguments that MATN presents here - its just that I could never word them so strongly... For me, after 2h of F2 I was gravely dissapointed as "wtf is this, i'm native, i have no connection to long lost world, this isnt even post-apocalipse anymore, JUST POST POST POST apocalipse... Well, fuuuuuck" - that sentiment repeated as I played FNV, but at least its dlc's (appart from Burned man) are true hardcore post apocalipse...
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Stop being a butthurt Bugthestard.
Crying about the facts and spewing strawmans aren't helping your case.
Fallout 3 is nostalgic for me. I can't help it if I prefer it over New Vegas. I notice a lot of tiny details whenever I replay it that NEXT TO NOBODY notices. I'm glad there's been somewhat of a resurgence for Fallout 3.
its incredible that every time when i make a new playthrough i discover new things i didnt see before ....and i already explore everything all the time yet still get suprised
this. lets be real a lot of the new vegas players are just massive fanboys of obsidian. who I may add, originally lost the rights to fallout under a different name (mismanaged funds), then made new vegas which used like 100% of the assets fo3 made (fo3 was also the first fallout fps and was made for consoles as well) new vegas simply had way more time to make rpg elements because 70% of the work was already done by Bethesda. lets also not forget Bethesda set a bonus for obsidian to achieve if the sales were high enough. which they weren't which begs the question how new vegas was better than 3 but couldn't meet its quota. obsidian then went on to make armored warfare (blatant copy of world of tanks but modern era), then made the outer worlds. a game that people have said is a good rpg but way to short and takes many many many influences from borderlands, bioshock, fallout and more. while I love new vegas to death people only praise it when they have a chance to bash Bethesda and fo3 so I don't take the opinion seriously.
@@johnphillips4758 are you ok
John Phillips Im no fan of Obsidian but I do prefer FNV then FO3. Factions are better, guns are better, I love the dialogue! I love F03 and I like Fo4! I was excited for the Outer world but completely hated it. I have 16hrs In and I have touch it since! Straight up Garbage
@@hopeless1093 Same for the most. I've grown a little more attached to New Vegas now that I can mod the game to make the experience something a little more for me. Fallout 4 is fun but in my opinion needed a little extra to make it perfect. The weapons are a little more down to personal preference. While I love the shotty's in New Vegas as well as my favorite Plasma Caster and Bozar I like more automatics. I can't Disagree on the Outerworlds I got bored after the first planet I got one of those LMG type weapons and kept mowing everything down. I like your taste in games sir very unique.
Here is what I have noticed. Most people don't personally create their own opinions, and in fact things they claim are their opinion aren't even really their opinion, but it is just something they repeat based on what they think is the commonly held position.
What I am saying is, that a trend started to say Fallout 3 sucks, and then a lot of kids and teens essentially adopted that and started repeating that, without actually thinking objectively and playing the game to come to their own unbiased conclusion.
This also means that marketing or trying to control rhetoric is a powerful thing indeed, because a lot of people just go along with what they perceive other people as thinking or saying, instead of forming their own opinion about something.
In the modern era this is why you have a lot of games try to reach out to influencers and pay them to claim the game is good, because corporations know that how objectively good the game is won't necessarily determine its reputation and sales, but rather the perception that people are saying it is good is what will achieve that.
This is true, only a minority of people think about things properly, most people just go along with whatever they think others are saying or doing.
Take for example religion, we can see in most countries with intense religious control that it is always only a minority of people that think objectively and realise that they were raised under essentially a cult. But you average human is so mindless you could raise them under any cult and they would follow it and not question it. Only a minority of people have the ability to think essentially, everyone else is just a product of their environment and peer pressure.
I just played with friend Fallout 3 and finishing fallout new vegas right now with the last DLC and then we finish the game. And i would not say Fallout 3 sucks but i would say this video sucks because it really makes shitty comparisons to Fallout New Vegas. And Fallout New Vegas is the game that actually made us thinking about trying fallout 1 and 2 but only after New Vegas not after fallout 3 because in comparison New Vegas is just at another level in a lot of things and we enjoy it much more.
@@lordofthebeltsthereturnoft1127 And comparing religion to opinions on games is pretty big difference atleast for me. Do you say with this that following religion is bad ? How many do you think who believe in Jesus are following their rules about lets say sex before marriage or masturbation. There is a lot of people who just think there is someone like god but dont exactly follow every rule of their religion. And dont get me started on cults a lot of people who were raised in a cult could never tell they were actually in a cult because they were closed to outside world and realised after they actually experience how it is outside or were saved by outside sources.
What i heard about fallout 3 was it is worse game than Fallout New Vegas and after playing both i just have to agree with that. Fallout 3 is not bad game on its own but compared to New Vegas i just have to agree with the majority.
Hunting Rifles: *exist
Super Mutants: i'Le TaKe YoUr EnTiRe StOcK
more like every enemy out there.
Why did I think that in a Super Mutant voice..?
Super Mutant: *its free real estate*
@HCE_ Henri only if all the guns in fallout 4 weren't left handed.
@HCE_ Henri Hunting rifle was a monster in New Vegas too lol
"But then is mass murder ok if the targets are slavers"
As someone who wiped out Caesar's fort repeatedly: Yes
"It's not mass genocide if they're cringe."
- Son Zoo, the Art of Vore
Or Democrats...they're literally new-wave Nazis.
Ave
@@theseus0467 Is it mass genocide to wipe out a faction that considers me beneath them for BEING?
@@reallyhertv4566 The Enclave isn't cringe
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I don’t understand why there are so many people who think you can only enjoy EITHER Fallout 3 or New Vegas. They’re both great games.
You can enjoy whatever you want. But only Fallout NV is a great game while 3 ranks between mediocre and bad.
@@rileymccreanor6492 That I indeed am.
I don't particularly like Fallout 3, honestly pretty weird to be so invested that you have to hate it
fallout nv is the best fallout without a doubt but 3 comes in a close 2nd for me
@@nigelpisswater484 lol no, play 2
Leaving the vault gave me the same feeling leaving that dungeon in Oblivion did. "Ah where to go now...?"
I got really into fallout 3 when my dad was in a coma I got so attached to the Dad character that when I blow up megaton in one of my Playthroughs and he was disappointed in me that made me so upset that I deleted the whole Playthrough and restarted the game. Spent the whole night getting to that point again so he wouldn’t disappointed with me anymore.
Damn. I'm so sorry to hear about that. I hope he got better
Hope he is awake now.
Damn, that's some real shit
I hope he woke up
He did wake up and get better. Thank you for your kind words everyone
I remember my first time beating Fallout 3. I had no idea what the code to activate the purifier was. I went into the chamber and began getting irradiated panicking because I did not know the code. Then it hit me. I am the beginning and the end, 216. Honestly despite the ending having holes that was one of my most remember able finishes to a game.
*memorable. Not "remember able"
Same here. I didn't know the code and felt compelled to put in 216. I still remember the 21:6 passage to this day. 13 years later. Love fallout 3 favourite game ever.
@@hishamjalal9078 “ Hisham Jalal” lool wow. Y don’t u just stfu man.
@@lewisjaygomes1617 dude has some serious "um actually" energy
@@hishamjalal9078 able to be remembered, re-remembered
The Subways of FO3 is one of my favorite and most hated areas in any game. Its claustrophobic, dark, disorienting, and filled with things to kill you. People who his there when the bombs fell, soldiers who lost their battle to ghoulification, and the bodies of those they’ve killed. Raiders, their victims, and some folk who tried to take shelter from the radiation in the wastes. Its basically a horror movie inside a psuedo horror game.
The whole place has been mapped out and can be learned. As far as I have seen as well its built pretty closely to the real world lines of the same names.
Everytime i heard the f*cking ghoul screaming i have little heart attack
And my god the reaver, make it stop
I enjoyed how closely the maps match the actual metro maps.
There are differences, of course. But close enough that when I first moved to Virginia I didn't look like a tourist when I had to go into town.
I started Bethesda games with Skyrim followed by fallout 4 but going back and playing fallout 3 and NV I can definitely say I love fallout 3 the most. I was just playing fallout 4 and got so sick of looting everything and doing settlement shit so I stopped and changed to fallout 3. I love the lonely gloomy feeling of fallout 3 so much
yo wtf jon. i literally just finished a fallout 3 playthrough and was like "damn this is way better than I remember / what people have been saying" and now you do this. damnit MATN you are a magical bastard
Noccturnal He isn't a magical bastard. He is THE magnificent magical bastard
Noccturnal I'm still playing it. I played all the way through including all the DLCs over a dozen times
Chandler McCullar oh I've seen it. He's a magical mad magnificent bastard with many a true low perception. And we love him all the more for it
I watched HBomberguy's video for the first time yesterday. And then this popped up as a rebuttal.
I've always wondered why there was so much hate for FO3. I fucking love that game and, while I do love FONV too, it feels like the opinions that reguard FONV as a way better game makes it seem like this is more or less just a bunch of sheep following the opinions of a few. FO3 is far from perfect and FONV does many things better, but it doesn't deserve the pedestal people put it on.
Fallout 3 was my first open world adventure game, and that opening/tutorial will forever be one of my favorites. The first time I played I screwed myself over royally, somehow got lost on a completely linear path, took huge amounts of damage, and ended up crouched in a corner desperately downing radroach meat to get my health back. I was just as scared as my character would have been in that situation and it remains the most immersed I have ever been in a game. Now I can escape Vault 101 blindfolded, but I will never forget the first time I played it.
I do find it difficult to play Fallout 3 now, because I always play it the same way. In my mind, certain options are better than others from a gameplay perspective, which means I always end up wasteland Jesus. That said, the one play-through where I decided to be neutral was really interesting. You would have to rationalize doing absolutely horrible things to maintain neutral karma. Case in point: I happened by a super mutant camp, freed a captive, then immediately had to shoot her because freeing her gave me good karma. There is a lot of choice in Fallout 3, you just have to be willing to take it.
Playing it in 2008/9, this game was another level of immersion and great quests and DLC. I remember playing it literally almost exclusively the summer of 2009.
ESO IS STILL BETTER
Bethesda is great at this. Morrowind, Oblivion, FO3, Skyrim, FO4, are all incredibly immersive.
They are honestly better at immersion than Interplay and Black Isle ever were. Daggerfall is easily 100 times more immersive than Fallout 2.
@@everythingismeh1945 the reason I say you people are irrational is because you rarely provide evidence, and when you do, you always provide something that all the non bethesda fallout games are also guilty of.
This was my favorite game in middle school and still probably is
As a 12 year old obsessed with the apocalypse, when I first immersed myself in this game I was stunned. It was everything I ever wanted. Still my favorite game of all time
Same. Absolute favorite game and nothing else has come close to capturing everything I've ever wanted out of a game.
The openness and desolation felt so real and emersive. The other games just don't have the "vibe"
Yeah 3 is special. This atmosphere can't be beat.
Same age, same desire for apocalyptic settings. Same immersion I had with this game. Same favorite game. I’ll call you my brother you 25-26 yr old dude.
Nostalgia blindfolds tbh. The atmosphere is absolutely ridiculous and impossible to be taken seriously when you take into account there has been 200 years since the bombs. STALKER has a more realistic and enjoyable apocalyptic atmosphere and it isn't even a post-apcalypse
The people ragging on Jon for being a Fallout 3 fanboy are hilarious. In many other videos he has stated that NV is his favorite game. The thing about this video, though, is that he just chooses to look at 3 from a different perspective.
Shelf Full of Trash
Your user pic says everything, brainless weeb.
not just his favorite fallout game for those confused. No, it's his personal favorite *game*
job Reneman
Of course, you're just covering the fool's ass.
Even in this video he has on a few points that nv did something better. I thought he brought up a few good points especially about the metro system.
I personally hated the metro system because it took too long and was confusing but it did make the city seem very big while it really was not. This sense of scale did a good job allowing a lot of stuff to be pushed together and thus leaving a lot of room for "emptiness" in the rest of the wasteland.
I really gained a some new insights on map making from this vid.
Troll
Let's be honest.
Fallout 3 is awesome.
So is Fallout New Vegas
They are both wonderful pieces of art that have amazing world building and they will both go down as some of the most unique and memorable games of all time.
And that is why I despise people who think you can only like one or the other.
Just... just love what you have and have fun. There is no need for this "rivalry"
@@Fordring1776 I don't quite understand game hate from people.
@@Fordring1776 Honestly the person who started this mainstream fallout hate trend was hbomberguy, which if you look at his channel now, you'll see he's a dumb SJW shitbrain, which makes me question his video Fallout 3 is garbage a lot more now, seeing as his video was just mostly just him complaining about small things instead of having fun, which is what SJWs do. I feel Indigo was also a bit harsh on fallout 3 and even New Vegas all because he didn't like the more western theme in NV and some of the choices and music in fallout 3.
@@Biojack222 Eh, I personally think the hate-train was started by users on NMA. Hbomberguy just helped add kindling to the fire.
@@impatienstheshmuck5348 That is true NMA guys were the first ones to really hate on the game, but it was a small forum, not that many people knew about it, it was hidden away, it was Hbomberguy who really brought the criticisms up front. Granted, his right about some things, his video isn't complete horseshit, but him calling it garbage and one of the worst games to me was a major stretch, Indigo was much more fair in my opinion. Also as someone who has played every fallout game from 1 to 4 and everything in between, I don't get why a lot of fans of fallout 1 and 2 act like they are somehow smarter or better because they like the first two games more.
I am from Fiji. when i heard of fallout i never had the chance to play it. in 2024 i remembered it for whatever reason and decided to install FO3, I was not disappointed. after a learning curve i was fully weaned off vats and was XP grinding for hours. very fun. the "action/re-action" mechanisms were very pleasing. now im about to complete F.O.N.V. wish me luck. im level 20 so far
All this is just a waste of time. The greatest Fallout game will always be Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.
Finally! Someone with vision who can see the clearest, superior game
Based
Your hands. Give them to me.
nah fallout the board game cuh
FACTS
The beginning of Fallout 3 is my favourite beginning in a game, ever. It blew my young mind and I look back upon that formative gaming memory fondly. It was my first open-world game at a time I didn't know what an open-world game was. Leaving the vault for the first time.. wow.
and i feel that most people say, well nv is a perfect rpg because you don't know anything about the character. and i am like except for the fact that you are a courier. and with lonesome road that you kinda made the great divide. and that ulysess actually knows you from many events. meanwhile in 3 it's like you are born. and nothing is told to you about who you are other then you grew up in a vault.
You are soo right ! Fallout 3 shoves you out into a vast, dangerous wasteland where you suddenly feel the reality of being "on your own" wondering "how will I survive?" The most real fantasy you'll ever encounter.
@@pouglwaw5932 So true! You actually felt like the lone wanderer!
On my second playthrough ATM on hardest setting
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Same. It wasn't my first open world game, but it was the first game with that much freedom and a map that big
The theory on the super mutants is exactly right. If you sneak into the vault, the first two super mutants you come across talk of running low on green stuff, on needing to capture more and stronger humans and turn them into super mutants, and them ignoring Fawkes' attempts at trying to give them advice on long-term strategies.
That made me even sad listening to them in the Vault Tec headquarters and Vault 87 about needing to find new FEV. They are doomed from the start.
Question: How did the FEV end up in Vault 87? Wasn't that supposed to be some very hush-hush project intended for tackling China should the latter fire nuclear bombs on America?
The Vault 87 super mutants in Fallout 3 exist because Bethesda couldn't be arsed to make a new race that's practically orcs, so they called these ones super mutants.
@@TheBreakingBenny You have to remember that Vault Tech and the USA Military did a lot of stuff together. A lot of the vaults were experiments for the Military, while it is a bit reconny (like how they changed the origins of Jet) it still could make viable sense in the universe that Vault Tech managed to get their hands on some FEV but since they couldn't get enough to fill vats they changed it to an airborne variant which is why the mutants have a more sickly green color then the original.
Got to also remember FO3 was the first 3D and main entry into the franchises since the disaster that was BOS Game. It's not really hard to imagine why Bethesda tried to incorporate familiar factions into the game to draw back in older players. While in hide site they could have used vault 87 being directly nuked as a way to make a new mutant faction and changed the BOS to like US Navy remnants (like some members are in rivet city are) they went with familiar known factions and decided to put uniqiue spins on them.
Like how the mutants are sort of a 'what if the unity happened' giving us a view of a mutant population that is slowly dying and unable to do anything. Lyons brotherhood giving us an example of a post game BOS that has already gone through the process of opening up and not needing a random waste lander to tell them hording is bad and they should help people like in FO1 and NV.
@@Gdsryrox Van Buren was also supposed to be the first 3D entry, even though that never came to be because Interplay's retardedness with their IPs and money required them to close their studios. Seems pitiable given that Bethesda must've sat on all this while they were busy with The Elder Scrolls IV, and because they had no better lead writer and designer than Emil Pagliarulo. That man sucks at handling large projects, and I'd have to ask why _he_ was given that task. If he started out with the Thief games since GOLD, his writing ability stagnated into being like he has dementia.
It's also pitiable that Bethesda doesn't really go anywhere with their set pieces; they are better equipped for creating Elder Scrolls-like experiences than they'd be at working through how the world works, such as when they reuse so many elements from past entries just because… and apparently because it's too scary having games without the BOS in them, no matter if they're rewritten to be Enclave Lite in Fallout 4, or in FO3 where they have all communication with the West Coast cut off when the outcasts should've been that instead. (It's as though Pagliarulo believes us asking the why's and how's is bad, and he delves further into that by not learning from what worked poorly in FO3.)
Radscorpions should be rare on the East Coast given it's nowhere as desert-y as California, whilst Rivet City should've been more invested in considering they have a greenhouse or two there.
@@TheBreakingBenny Van Buren wasn't really 3D. Sure if used 3D assets but the game was still going to be an isometric top down like all the prior ones. FO3 was the first real time 3rd person that completely changed how combat was usually done. (Again excluding BOS game that was a beatemup)
Also what do you mean by 'sitting' on the franchise? Bethesda only brought the fallout IP in 2007 and released fallout 3 in 2008. Yeah they started work in July 2004 but they didn't own the franchise then that was still under interplay. And as you said they were making Oblivion at the time, this is back in the early 2000s when technology wasn't anywhere near as good and Bethesda was much smaller.
Again that is very much hind site. It's very easy to look at NV and all the new factions they brought in and be like "Why didn't FO3 do that, gosh they were so unoriginal fuck Bethesda FO3 is the worst game ever because it uses recognizable and familiar things".
Again yeah reusing the BOS in hide site almost 20 years later but you have to remember. At the time the last 2 fallout games fucking sucked, they went with a safe option and experimented with the factions even then. I have a feeling if the BOS in FO3 just sat in a bunker all game and didn't do anything until the lone wanderer came in and said. "Stop hording tech help people" everyone would have creamed themselves and said it was the most amazing thing ever. I mean they do that for NV BOS who act basically the same as they do in FO1.
For the enclave while they are a bit over the top it makes sense that once they were defeated at the hands of the NCR they'd flee to probably the one place they'd have access to all sorts of pre war tech. You know, the capital of the country. Other then that enemies and stuff really aren't that much of a 'terrible choice' considering it's been 200 years since the war and in a land where pretty much everything is dry due to you know nuclear war an apex predator like a radscropian could thrive just about anywhere.
Also while I do agree rivet city could have been more developed I have a feeling you've not played FO3, otherwise you would know the plant lab was a relatively new thing.
FO3 was the first fallout for me and I adored it at the time, then played NV and was blown away and still am. I go back to FO3 and am blown away at how devastated the country is and how simple it is with way fewer guns etc, (I mean as much as I enjoyed using the shotgun it's design made no sense with the drum mag so far forward but whatever.) It really gives a desolation feeling. First time I went towards the Springvale high school and saw the body's hanging from hooks or dead in the cages it gave me chills, which I imagine it would for any vault dweller heading to the surface for the first time. Both are superb games!