Stop Doing Dips IMMEDIATELY!

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  • Опубліковано 14 бер 2016
  • I keep getting this question, so it's time to tell you about doing dips. They can be very dangerous and in this video I am going to tell you why.
    Thanks and God Bless - Ron Williams
    www.ironchestmaster.com
    ronwilliamsunleashed.com
    Disclaimer: As with all things, results produced from applying the principles taught in this video, or any other associated content media, will vary dependent on an individual’s abilities, conditions and circumstances. The information provided on this video, or through any of the associated websites, is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Ron Williams is not responsible or liable for any advice, course of treatment, diagnosis or any other information, services or products that may be recommended through this or any other associated videos, websites or content mediums. You are encouraged to consult with your doctor with regard to the information contained herein.
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    Dips have been around for years. They even have specialised dips bars in gyms purely designed for performing sets of dips. Dips however are not shoulder friendly. As you lower yourself down, under full bodyweight, during the Dip exercise you put your shoulder capsule under huge amounts of strain.
    Basically the arms are not designed to go backwards in that way. You can see this for yourself just by standing tall and then seeing how far you can take the arms backwards.
    The worse types of Dips are the ones you see during boot camps that are performed off a park bench. Ever wondered why your shoulders are sore after performing Dips? It’s because you are stretching all your ligaments and the soft tissue of the shoulder joint. If you don’t want sloppy and unstable shoulder joints that are more likely to dislocate then lay off the Dips.
    Although parallel bar dips are great mass builders for the chest and triceps they damage the joints. This exercise appealing because it can be done at a gym that is equipped with a dipping station (or machine) or between to solid objects such as two chairs (facing each other).
    This exercise is a chest exercise and a compound movement. Although this exercise can be classified as a triceps exercise, many use it as a chest builder. However, there are simply better, safer, alternatives to using parallel or bench dips to grow your chest and tricep muscles.
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  • @3rdworldamerica452
    @3rdworldamerica452 5 років тому +655

    Yup...dips are dangerous...that's why I add weight to mine, and do weighted dips instead👍

    • @rentedduckliing
      @rentedduckliing 4 роки тому +24

      Good job safety first

    • @ecec5863
      @ecec5863 4 роки тому +12

      do it in correct way it not dangerous

    • @FrankZen
      @FrankZen 3 роки тому +9

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @BluBlu111
      @BluBlu111 3 роки тому +24

      I love dips... weighted... I'm 45 and my chest looks the best it's ever looked...my shoulders look bigger too.... People get very intimidated when I walk around in public they think I'm sticking my chest out but I'm not..lol

    • @wacky.racoon
      @wacky.racoon 3 роки тому +3

      d'oh

  • @flexluthor1691
    @flexluthor1691 7 років тому +288

    he's not going straight forward, he's not going up, he's going oooooooooo

    • @sinsortz
      @sinsortz 7 років тому +9

      These comments are killing me, but this one had me cackling

    • @michael43567
      @michael43567 6 років тому +1

      You're killing me 😂😂😂

    • @naeemr3189
      @naeemr3189 6 років тому +1

      I died laughing hahahah

    • @arijitbagchi1192
      @arijitbagchi1192 5 років тому

      Do oooooooo 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @xSferQx
    @xSferQx 7 років тому +508

    In conclusion, every exercise is bad for your joints.

    • @LandonClimbs
      @LandonClimbs 6 років тому +16

      xSferQx lmfao right

    • @americanpatriot7508
      @americanpatriot7508 5 років тому +1

      Yup lol

    • @joelbackman8330
      @joelbackman8330 5 років тому +4

      Not true at all. It's the opposite.

    • @edrianwick
      @edrianwick 4 роки тому +4

      @@joelbackman8330 is a joke

    • @Christhebomb88
      @Christhebomb88 3 роки тому +3

      In conclusion, the reason why bodybuilders don’t do full range of motion is to prevent injuries.

  • @isolator86
    @isolator86 7 років тому +579

    just dont go too low when doing dips and you'll be fine

    • @hanihammadi6981
      @hanihammadi6981 7 років тому +31

      isolator86 that is right becuase i injured myself onetime while i am doing dips going too down

    • @Vortzdaiki
      @Vortzdaiki 7 років тому +4

      hani hamade Did u repair yourself afterwards?

    • @hanihammadi6981
      @hanihammadi6981 7 років тому +13

      Yes thanks god but after a while

    • @CrazygmallPsn
      @CrazygmallPsn 6 років тому +34

      Just train your elasticity and you will be fine, dips are my favorite exercice

    • @dzsoulsama
      @dzsoulsama 6 років тому +4

      that's true ! dont go low

  • @ricibiribicci
    @ricibiribicci 7 років тому +480

    Dips are one of the best exercises for chest and triceps

    • @nomecognome175
      @nomecognome175 7 років тому +11

      yes, sir.

    • @bbkingzor
      @bbkingzor 7 років тому +18

      Might be true, but that doesn't mean it's safe to do.

    • @Tadasred
      @Tadasred 7 років тому +100

      any exercise isnt safe if you dont know you to do it properly

    • @TeeOhh12
      @TeeOhh12 7 років тому +3

      100%

    • @TheChicuil
      @TheChicuil 7 років тому +3

      OF COURSEEEE!!!!

  • @comali2212
    @comali2212 8 років тому +492

    I've been doing dips exercise since I was 16, now 52. One thing to keep in mind when doing dips is to:
    1 - listen to your body and respect your age.
    2 - Warm up before doing dips.
    3 - Do not overdo it, means like a lot of sets with too much repetitions.
    4 - Never use weights around your hips, your body weight is pretty enough for this squeezing exercise.
    5 - Don't do it too slow and don't do it too fast, keep the motion in between, usually the dip down motion is slightly faster than the pull up motion but keep it in control, do not drop down.
    6 - Do it on a parallel " bars " and not on a parallel " anything " where you can " grab " it with your fingers closed in on the bar instead of " placing " your hands with an open fingers, less stress on the wrists and keeps the elbows close to the body.
    7 - Keep your shoulders tight and YOUR ELBOWS close to your body, do NOT widen your elbows away, that's a killer for your rotating shoulders.
    8 - When you dip down, DO NOT do it full range motion, instead keep the motion halfway down where the elbows are slightly parallel to the ground and when you push it up better not to lock the shoulders and elbows completely, let it flow smoothly.
    9 - Try to keep your back straight especially when you push it up, means engage your whole back muscles during the push up motion, it keeps the body straight and gives you a boost.
    10 - When you feel pain, constant pain and feel that the pain is blocking you from performing the exercise ( any exercise for that matter ), STOP doing it until you heal, rest smart so to speak until your injury is repaired and the pain is gone and when that happens, try to get back to perform the exercise stage by stage, step by step and NOT back to it right away as in full. Listening to your body is a smart thing to do, listen and heed, when your body says stop push it a lil further, but when your body screams and begging you to STOP, then you must refrain, no pain no gain is a BS theory, working out as a lifestyle is not the same as working out to compete, if you're not competing why pushin it to the edge?
    Bottom line, you should feel at ease when performing an exercise, at ease means in control, the moment you lose control, you put yourself in the injury zone, been there done that and it's not worth it, play it safe.

    • @JoaoKorreiaa
      @JoaoKorreiaa 8 років тому +26

      I do weighted dips and have no problem, I might have pain when I started but it was a form issue so it's been fine for a long, long time
      Good form will not injure you

    • @zilchgott
      @zilchgott 8 років тому +1

      Good points...

    • @Dyelbro123
      @Dyelbro123 8 років тому +4

      some of your points don't make sense

    • @zubairanwar2357
      @zubairanwar2357 7 років тому +4

      +Shortkid110 and you are still short , I am sorry for ya kid !

    • @lakai944
      @lakai944 7 років тому +4

      Weighted dips are no doubt hard on your joints, but the more you do them, the stronger your joints and tendons get. Its like that with every other compound movement. This is one reason why guys who are injecting do higher reps/volume instead of lifting heavy, they get stronger faster than their joints grow.

  • @dirtmcgirt01
    @dirtmcgirt01 7 років тому +7

    Thanks for the videos
    A lot of the negative comments appear to be from younger guys who haven't been alive long enough to wear out there shoulders. Dips and upright rows are off the table for me after years of loving the movement.
    A few more decades and some of the people commenting will understand what you were trying to convey to them.

    • @keithdavis8461
      @keithdavis8461 2 роки тому

      My thoughts exactly!

    • @ghost_7766
      @ghost_7766 2 роки тому

      True ....I need to shut up and listen

    • @SoniListon-lu4cn
      @SoniListon-lu4cn 2 місяці тому +1

      This video was true for me. Ive seen people doing it no problem; maybe they got problems later, maybe not, but dips are definitely not my exercise..

  • @kitsunes95
    @kitsunes95 7 років тому +1045

    Who else just watched this video for fun knowing the info in this vid was horseshit anyways

    • @iamatrekker
      @iamatrekker 7 років тому +3

      me

    • @KillJermz
      @KillJermz 7 років тому +6

      I did

    • @innovativestrengthconditio8309
      @innovativestrengthconditio8309 7 років тому +1

      Jazzy Wikberg 🖐🏿

    • @KevinRodriguez-gc7bx
      @KevinRodriguez-gc7bx 7 років тому +33

      ask any well educated physical therapist about the shoulder's natural movement especially correlating to the shoulder joints placement while performing a dip... or look up what can happen when someone is handcuffed behind the back. (hint: it can cause permanent shoulder injury).

    • @kitsunes95
      @kitsunes95 7 років тому +23

      Kevin Rodriguez I do dips every day, no problem. Ask MY physical therapist and he will say this video is full of shit.

  • @slumz12
    @slumz12 7 років тому +169

    this man is trying to make us all stay weak.. Dips got me so much stronger.

    • @fishermanphil6092
      @fishermanphil6092 3 роки тому +16

      Bruh, he's not saying not to do dips, he's offering alternatives that may be safer for your shoulders, I'm a huge fan of dips too btw

    • @glenross9467
      @glenross9467 3 роки тому +1

      Same here, they pushed my triceps out and gave me a general better shape..

    • @larrysummers8966
      @larrysummers8966 2 роки тому +6

      Agree, this man is misleading, and holding people back. Doing dips for years, used to have messed up shoulders, but wasn't from dips. Still do them now and my shoulders are 100% healthy, and chest is looking great. He also stated not to do them at the end of a chest workout, because it's more dangerous? That's furthest from truth, you want to do them at the end of a compound movement chest workout, because your whole shoulder complex is really warmed up at that point, and ready to do dips. People should watch the Jeff Nippard video on dips. It is important to pull shoulder blades back and hold them there the whole time, when doing dips, makes it even safer.

    • @whitepanther8472
      @whitepanther8472 2 роки тому

      I did dips for 10 minutes my tricep sting hurt for 2 days straight

    • @ES92-
      @ES92- 2 роки тому +1

      @@fishermanphil6092 ‘it’s in the title 😅, stop doing dips immediately’

  • @ismails4860
    @ismails4860 7 років тому +340

    "Im going OOOOOOOH!"

    • @kevinmaniebo4881
      @kevinmaniebo4881 7 років тому +18

      OOOOOOOOHH

    • @JohnOyinloye
      @JohnOyinloye 7 років тому +5

      You call her Stephanie? I call her HEADPHANIE.

    • @heyitsthatoneguy91
      @heyitsthatoneguy91 7 років тому +1

      John Oyinloye
      Lets hope that boyfriend of yours doesn't find out.

    • @JohnOyinloye
      @JohnOyinloye 7 років тому +2

      OFFICIAL NSA What!? Bruh what you talkin' bout man? I'm out ya'll trippin

    • @ismails4860
      @ismails4860 7 років тому +5

      lmao headpahnie

  • @tangomango2459
    @tangomango2459 6 років тому +46

    I don't agree with a lot of things Ron says..However what I do know is that he is a high quality guy, who is healthy, happy, and genuinely cares about others.

  • @theofficialimchannel
    @theofficialimchannel 7 років тому +3

    Man this explains so much! I couldnt bench this and last week, especially last week because of a pain i was feeling in my right shoulder and i couldnt understand why. And just did dips today as well, again failing on bench epically!
    THANK YOU SO MUCH MR WILLIAMS!

  • @TipoQueTocaelPiano
    @TipoQueTocaelPiano 8 років тому +38

    Actually, Squats hurt my shoulders more than weighted dips. Should I stop doing them as well.I'm joking, no way I'd stop doing dips XD

    • @SpaceMarine113
      @SpaceMarine113 8 років тому +1

      me too, dips are my most favorite exercise, i had an absolutely flat chest so you could see my ribs through skin, now at least i have some muscles on my chest, and all cause of dips. I know this dude is experienced, but man, stop doing dips...rly? i will have no motivation to go outside and work out.

    • @slicksouthpaw
      @slicksouthpaw 7 років тому

      +Legalas Elf I agree, I hit the dip station twice a week as a part of my tri/chest routine. My lower pecs have developed sufficiently because of the weighted dip. I will not abandon the dip, though risky, I feel the dividends are worth the risk. I would suggest to you a super set of weighted chin ups and weighted dips. I do the chins for my biceps. This superset seems to work nicely for my arms, I do it twice a week! I do not do curls but have decent sized biceps. Gymnast biceps.

    • @maueds
      @maueds 7 років тому

      +John Lol. Lol. There is no better tricepz builder than dips and the only exercise which is better bulding chest is bench press. Why these two exercises are the best? Because they allow you to add weight safely. Try doing weighted dips with 70 kilos. You will have triceps like the head of Donald Trump. However, we can't say the same with analytical exercises, like french press, biceps curl... If you try to do a heavy biceps curl, it will turn into a back curl, and you will end up injured. So you won't be able to add weight, and the muscular activation always will be less than in compound exercises, in which you can put a lot of weight. Also, analytical exercises do not transfer into movements of the everyday life, so they don't make you stronger, only bigger

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому +23

      My job is not to tell you what to do, but I love my subscribers and I want to protect them and keep them safe. All I am saying is there is a better and safer way to work the triceps and the lower chest. I have been in the field a long time as a trainer, as an instructor, and a professor of exercise physiology. This movement is biomechanically incorrect and eventually it will catch up to you. But if you are determined to do dips the moment you start feeling any pain I want you to remember this video and "Stop". I say this in love. Your friend in the fitness arena, Ron Williams God bless you!!

  • @Mickk0205
    @Mickk0205 8 років тому +82

    Sure he knows a lot about the human body, but aren't 99% of his theories all broscience? I can't find any studies which prove that arch theory of his to be true. Just saying.

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  8 років тому +47

      Hey Mick, I am an Exercise Physiologist and this is what I do. I have a registered Trademark for Arc Movement Technology -- this is the training technique that I have personally developed and have utilized with literally thousands of individuals and professional athletes. UA-cam has given me an opportunity to share it with a wider audience. In my videos, I try to explain the training concepts and principles down to the simplest terms that even a 3rd grader could understand, because the more simple the explanation the easier for people to understand. I don't want to lose my audience. If you were to Google an anatomy chart of the body you will notice that for each muscle their are two insertions and each one of the muscle bellies are made in an arc. When you contract the muscle the bone that is above or below the muscle has to move to create a contraction and every time that happens you see the arc formation. Not only is this true for the human body, but also in the animal kingdom. I will give you a good example the largest muscle group and leanest on a bird is his chest. Does the bird fly in a square or in an arc? The bird has a humerus and a ball in a socket just like you and I and this arc movement that he flies in protects the joint and builds the chest and shoulders -- we have the ability to duplicate the same motion. This simple science works throughout the body and can protect you from long term damage. Thanks for reading this -- I hope it helps. God bless you, Ron

    • @Mickk0205
      @Mickk0205 8 років тому +4

      +Ron Williams Oh okay, thanks for the clarification and your quick response!

    • @connorvidas6643
      @connorvidas6643 8 років тому +3

      +Mick Vink I can see why you thought this. Due to the fact that he says pectorial instead of pectoral. Also saying things like when the shoulder moves forward it contracts the chest. Opposed to saying that the chest contraction pulls the shoulder forward.

    • @thiagocardieri828
      @thiagocardieri828 8 років тому

      hello my friend,so if bench press hits more the front of my shoulder.....dips are not safe...what can i do to have a good and muscular chest? i really wanna know some exercises,because there are a lot of damage exercises these days.thank you

    • @thiagocardieri828
      @thiagocardieri828 8 років тому +1

      i always felt pain in my shoulder.... i stop doing these aaaaaaand the pain its gone thank you!!!!

  • @jneroo226
    @jneroo226 6 років тому +2

    Thank you! Years ago I hurt my shoulder and didn't know how it happened. it took months to recover from it. I was about to start doing this exercise again. Thank goodness I came across this video. I will use this new exercise into my routine. Peace!

  • @CrimxSun
    @CrimxSun 5 років тому +7

    Natural body builder of the Decade XD and i was lost.
    Legend has it: he's so natural, actual nature grows from him.

  • @AntranikDotOrg
    @AntranikDotOrg 7 років тому +234

    This is some broscience logic if I ever seen one. People roll their shoulders during pull ups too if they have bad posture or inability to depress/retract the shoulders. Should pull ups be avoided as well? I doubt it.

    • @MrAYEJAYLOCO
      @MrAYEJAYLOCO 7 років тому +29

      Pull ups and dips are the best exercises and true measure of a man's strength

    • @eatmeatandliftweights5754
      @eatmeatandliftweights5754 7 років тому +3

      And woman's, thing is they are hard that's why most people shy away from them.

    • @MrAYEJAYLOCO
      @MrAYEJAYLOCO 7 років тому +4

      Elen C You can do them, you just need to work your way up to it.

    • @eatmeatandliftweights5754
      @eatmeatandliftweights5754 7 років тому +6

      I do both dips and pull ups, with the pull/chin ups I cant do very many but working on it. I have videos on my FB page. I dont understand why dips are bad, it's a classic old school strength exercise and a lot of callisthenics people do them all the time.

    • @MrAYEJAYLOCO
      @MrAYEJAYLOCO 7 років тому +1

      Elen C Nice, my kind of girl:)

  • @chilled91
    @chilled91 7 років тому +95

    Who in God's name does a dip like that? He took that to the extreme to try and make his point, any exercise with shit form will be dangerous. I've never heard of you Ron, maybe that's down to my own ignorance but I am so sick of these wannabe celebs claiming they have found/discovered something about fitness that no one else has.

    • @Yusuf1187
      @Yusuf1187 7 років тому +3

      Honestly I've seen a lot of guys on youtube do dips super low with bent down shoulders. idk why he doesn't just advise to stay at 90 degrees or above and stay more upright to stress the triceps more though.

    • @chilled91
      @chilled91 7 років тому +2

      Yea good point. Maybe someone can start a fitness channel and pretend they have found shortcuts in bodybuilding by telling people to do normal exercises with proper form, there is definitely a gap in the market for it!

    • @Yusuf1187
      @Yusuf1187 7 років тому +2

      Well hey, as long as there are a lot of people doing exercises incorrectly then I don't see a problem with channels putting out good form videos. If the web is saturated is more videos with correct info then every gym-goer is more likely to come across the good advice - and more likely to listen to it. Alan Thrall is probably the best out there for that sort of content because he adds additional advice and info that a lot of people neglect.

    • @oddjrgen7457
      @oddjrgen7457 7 років тому +1

      Amen to that. Was thinking the same thing when THIS video popped up on my feed as with certain others,like "Mike Chang'" goddamn six-pack advertisements lmao.
      I know it's two different things in terms of content but that's another one of those dudes who I dislike very much,simply because of how they advertise the ONLY ways to work out... *sigh*
      If you have common sense you should be fine when working out if you know the correct way of performing the movements,if it hurts,you stop and take a look at what's wrong,because working out is not supposed to hurt in the form of a sudden pain.
      It feels like videos like this that scares people shitless of certain exercises,look at the "click bait" title- "Stop Doing Dips IMMEDIATELY!" and then,in the description he write "They can be very dangerous and in this video I am going to tell you why. "......CAN. The title makes it seem like "omg,I'm gonna' fuck myself up doing dips,why did noone ever tell me this?" then you'll proceed to click it,may or may not read the description where it now says "CAN" be dangerous and then the guy in the video demonstrate the most extreme case of a fucked up dip movement.
      When all that's said and done,this guy clearly know what he's doing but the way he kind of scare people away from certain exercises is just stupid,plus the click bait? I hate scare tactics and click baits.
      Seriously,if people get sudden pain or a lasting pain over a lengthy amount of time,it should "flash a red light" and it's probably high time that person reevaluate their training.
      Just my opinion and 326454039o54 cents.

    • @sykikdj
      @sykikdj 7 років тому

      +Ant Cooney loooool... exactly. .. this guy is such a tool

  • @trysometenderness7466
    @trysometenderness7466 5 років тому

    I appreciate your videos so much, Ron. You're one of the few real ones on UA-cam.

  • @BulldogFromHell
    @BulldogFromHell 7 років тому +48

    "We're not going up, we're not going down, we're going OOOOOUUUUUWWWW!" - Ron Williams the "Natural" Bodybuilder of the decade.

    • @omardpate6186
      @omardpate6186 6 років тому

      Gideon Belinfante haha. He really doesnt want anyone to workout. If you dont feel any pain then you wont know if your doing it right let alone see results.

  • @caminhaoraizes
    @caminhaoraizes 7 років тому +8

    Ron thank you for this amazing advice. I have no problem benching 315 lbs for reps. But when I try to do dips, I get extreme discomfort. I have been listening to my body and staying away from bodyweight dips and using decline dumbell chest presses instead. Keep up the great work. I am a subscriber now!

  • @nasreddinekerkouf6042
    @nasreddinekerkouf6042 7 років тому +21

    it's not danger exercise all you need to do is to work on flexibility and mobility on your shoulders and it'll get you away from pain and i recommand to do it before and after you working out
    for all respect i do calisthenics and a lot of advance movement like planche handstand...ect
    and i do them on dips bar and feels good and nothing hurts,thx!!!i respect this man he is pro and im not trying to be rude
    love unity and peace

    • @brandondiaz9576
      @brandondiaz9576 7 років тому +6

      You're supposed to only go parallel for dips.

    • @victork5985
      @victork5985 7 років тому +1

      This is correct, I used to hate dips because I got injured from it, but now with a guidance of a good coach, I do them regularly and painlessly.
      DIPS should be done where the shoulder is below your elbows at the bottom position, now I'm not saying you go on and do them like this, because if you're just starting out to do dips (new to this particular movement, doesn't matter if you have over 9000 years of training age with weights) chances are they are going to hurt your shoulders.
      Work on your mobility, a good way to start increasing that ROM in dips is the decline bench press.
      Some "doctors" or "Physio" might disagree with this, but most of the time these are the same doctors that would tell you to stop exercising altogether just to avoid the hassle.

    • @slicksouthpaw
      @slicksouthpaw 7 років тому

      +Ong Kae they would tell you that to keep you sick and on several different medications

    • @bluelightmoon777
      @bluelightmoon777 7 років тому

      i did breakdance and dips ruined my shoulder it was not because of bad form its because the exercise is bad except you dont go heavy

    • @thiagocardieri828
      @thiagocardieri828 7 років тому

      i prefer decline bench instead of this... i work our for more than 8 years..i am very fit and dips bothers my sholders, and i am super flexible, so maybe what Works for you dont work for me, we all have different acromium in the shoulder area.. ir doesent hurts to do sholder presses ir dips one time, but if i make that regular, it start to hurt and pop... so i quit doing and never felt pain again

  • @OliverTube
    @OliverTube 7 років тому +2

    I love that part at the end "God bless you"

  • @David-zj3bp
    @David-zj3bp 7 років тому

    Thanks for the advice Ron and Happy New Year!

  • @musicum22
    @musicum22 7 років тому +10

    in the past when i have done dips i never went too far down for that reason. There is a safe way to perform dips, but it involves very strict movement and body awareness.

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому +14

      If you are doing partial dips ask yourself "Am I getting a full range of Motion" or "Am I fully developing the muscle being used". What if there was a better way to work the lower chest and the triceps would you do it? If the answer is "Yes" then I have done my job -- that is to say most people when performing dips are doing a full range of motion, which is a movement that is biomechanically incorrect it directly goes against the shoulder structure. And if I am not training with full range of motion then I am not getting the best out of the exercise. I always ask the question before adding an exercise into my regimen and that is "Is there a better way to work the muscle group to get the results that I am looking for." Thanks for your comment. God bless you, your friend in fitness Ron Williams

    • @IdiootTering
      @IdiootTering 7 років тому

      you should try and ask yourself that question after trying it. experience is the best way to obtain knowledge.
      i love dips, nothing better than that to build tricep strength although close grip bench is very close.

    • @samuellijones1
      @samuellijones1 7 років тому

      then you wont be able to hit the lower chest

  • @brooklynstylee
    @brooklynstylee 7 років тому +9

    Very informative guy without all the ego lifting going on in other channels. He's very right.. these weird movements eventually catch up with you.. I've been working out for 20 years now and some of the workouts I used to love to do now hurt too much.. but when I did them I was young and didn't listen to anyone..no pain no gain.. until pain is all you got

  • @elvinpolitano772
    @elvinpolitano772 7 років тому +12

    Tell this to Hannibal for King....Dips are one of the Best exercises out there

    • @irick1977
      @irick1977 5 років тому +1

      Thank you im doing Hannibals tutorial on dips and getting results with no pain other than burn and getting gains and he's in far better natty condition than this dude

  • @stephanM5
    @stephanM5 7 років тому +2

    This was an excellent video! You are right on the money with the arc explanation Ron!

  • @well.thy.one.
    @well.thy.one. 7 років тому +68

    Just did 1,000 dips today

  • @arnonym113
    @arnonym113 7 років тому +13

    Shows a movement of the shoulder to show that dips should be avoided - recommends a cable cross that contains the exact movement ...

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому +15

      The shoulder joint is a ball and a socket. The cable crossover is a natural movement it is very similar to a bird in flight. Each of the muscle groups are made in an arc formation and the best way to develop any muscle is to stay within the arc that it was designed in. The shoulder was made to go forward and backward to contract the chest -- like in the cable crossover. But when you are doing the dips the shoulder is forced into an unnatural position and the more resistance you have the more pressure on the joint itself. It may not hurt today or tomorrow, but this movement is accumulative and later on is when you will start feeling the pain from the slow deterioration of the joints, ligaments, and tendons. It is the very reason why baseball players are only allowed so many pitches per game and per season, because they constantly go against the joint and they know that eventually the deterioration shows up in the form of pain -- many times it ends in surgery even though they may play from little league to the pros it eventually catches up. My job with this channel is to teach you how to avoid injuries from what you are doing now that shows up later in life. I always say ask yourself "Why" and "is there a better way to get the results that I am looking for." God bless you I hope this helps! Ron Williams

    • @arnonym113
      @arnonym113 7 років тому +1

      +Ron Williams Well, the only thing that I know is that I get shoulder pain from negative flies even with light weight. So I do what feels best for me, which are dips.

    • @Nizm0350z
      @Nizm0350z 7 років тому +12

      same exact? you're clearly blind lol

    • @mangore623
      @mangore623 7 років тому

      You need glasses, and a class in elementary geometry.

    • @ernsthaft9397
      @ernsthaft9397 7 років тому

      but he is the natural bodybuilder of the decade!

  • @raymondstroud7877
    @raymondstroud7877 7 років тому +1

    No wonder my rotator cup in my shoulder feels like it's pulled. Awesome video. Thanks for the info bro. 👍

  • @andrewtvo
    @andrewtvo 4 роки тому

    Great information 👌 thanks man!

  • @bbailey7740
    @bbailey7740 7 років тому +14

    Ron, what about the thousands of people that have had great success doing dips? Ask one of the best benchers in the world, Jeremy Hoornstra, how he feels about dips.

    • @jameswhite3415
      @jameswhite3415 7 років тому +3

      There is no problem doing heavy weighted dips. You just need to train semi evenly and preferavly do mobilty work.(which you should be doing anyways) The reason most people get injured is from training unevenly and never doing mobilty work.

    • @TheUntrainedNinja
      @TheUntrainedNinja 7 років тому

      +James White Mobility work such as?

    • @jameswhite3415
      @jameswhite3415 7 років тому

      DeathRow There is so much diffrently mobilty work you can do and I am no expert on it. I always do somegymanstic mobity work(Bridges, manna ect) but there is pleanty of diffrent types you can do.

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому +6

      The shoulder joint is a ball and a socket. When you are doing the dips the shoulder is forced into an unnatural position and the more resistance you have the more pressure on the joint itself. It may not hurt today or tomorrow, but this movement is accumulative and later on is when you will start feeling the pain from the slow deterioration of the joints, ligaments, and tendons. It is the very reason why baseball players are only allowed so many pitches per game and per season, because they constantly go against the joint and they know that eventually the deterioration shows up in the form of pain -- many times it ends in surgery even though they may play from little league to the pros it eventually catches up. My job with this channel is to teach you how to avoid injuries from what you are doing now that shows up later in life. I always say ask yourself "Why" and "is there a better way to get the results that I am looking for." God bless you I hope this helps! Ron Williams

    • @jameswhite3415
      @jameswhite3415 7 років тому

      Ron Williams "Slow deterioratiom of joints, lingaments and tendons ? " Just like muscles all of those are naturally rebuilt stronger by your body but with a longer recovery time. There are many people who have never been injured from doing more than double body weight dips for years and years. Ofcourse there are "safer way to get bigger muscles or whatever.

  • @Smood47
    @Smood47 7 років тому +52

    Just FYI its Pectoral not 'Pectorial'

    • @andrewwilliams1299
      @andrewwilliams1299 7 років тому +1

      thought I was the only one who noticed this

    • @mikepowers9580
      @mikepowers9580 7 років тому +9

      yeah lol be careful who you get your information from. not knowing the names of the muscles you are talking about raises flags.

    • @Smood47
      @Smood47 7 років тому

      mike powers lol

    • @williamallman299
      @williamallman299 7 років тому +3

      Yeah, what he's saying makes a lot of sense, but I found his pronunciation quite aggravating.

    • @D_Snutz
      @D_Snutz 7 років тому +1

      ...thank you...gets annoying after awhile...

  • @DaFigs
    @DaFigs 7 років тому

    Thank you for not just showing me that its not good but an alternative. most of the time i see post and they say dont do this dont do that but never show an alternative and really explain it. Thank you. My favorite machine is the "cables"

  • @subhamkumar-tn8df
    @subhamkumar-tn8df 7 років тому

    thanks ron williams . u helped me overcoming joint pain

  • @SuperJeet07
    @SuperJeet07 8 років тому +3

    You have made a valid point, and i am experiencing this after trying out dips, it's dangerous for your shoulders and your collar bones.

  • @johnking2631
    @johnking2631 7 років тому +154

    only reason people get issues with dips is because they go past parallel

    • @zerooner2216
      @zerooner2216 7 років тому +3

      make sense. same shit witht eh knees. im fucked now. ha!

    • @johnking2631
      @johnking2631 7 років тому +8

      ***** it's all form issues...thats why you see bodybuilders ALWAYS stressing to work on form for newbies to lifting...if you're form is perfect you won't have issues unless you're trying to push too much weight...if you're having issues with bodyweight workouts....then your form is crap and doing to much or...you already injured it previously and you're just stressing a injured site.

    • @Tmankiller72
      @Tmankiller72 7 років тому

      John King Exactly!

    • @zerooner2216
      @zerooner2216 7 років тому

      *****
      really?

    • @johnking2631
      @johnking2631 7 років тому

      ***** no...don't go past parallel for anything i haven't seen a movement in doing so would provide better results...

  • @burleyz7812
    @burleyz7812 7 років тому +112

    If dips are causing pain for ur shoulders then u are not doing them correctly or ur body is not strong enough to perform them simple

    • @pierregoldstein
      @pierregoldstein 6 років тому +9

      Zac Burley dips are truth! I completely disagree with this dude!

    • @Arnell_Long
      @Arnell_Long 6 років тому +2

      Zac Burley
      Exactly!
      I absolutely love doing dips.

    • @solimantorres1904
      @solimantorres1904 6 років тому +5

      I'm doing weighted dips today with no sound effects

    • @jaydeanhughes4960
      @jaydeanhughes4960 6 років тому +1

      Zac Burley well like the old time saying. Who dont listen most feel. If you listen good, he said, you can feel good by doing it but the side effect is not good. And hes right. We only train to look good for now. But do you also train good to feel good when your body cant handle pain no more?

    • @GoldChampion23
      @GoldChampion23 5 років тому

      Zac Burley how do I become strong enough to do dips?

  • @someguy295
    @someguy295 7 років тому

    seems like a nice respectable guy. keep up the good work.

  • @theengineer6213
    @theengineer6213 7 років тому +95

    OUUHHGGGH.... do I have to make this sound for it to fully work?

  • @jorgem50
    @jorgem50 7 років тому +24

    I fucked up my left shoulder doing dips. Good video!

    • @Delta3angle
      @Delta3angle 7 років тому +6

      Only because you were fucked up before doing them and werent prepared for them.

    • @jorgem50
      @jorgem50 7 років тому +1

      I had been doing dips for months so I don't know if it was truly dips that hurt my shoulder. Anytime I do a press whether it's a bench press or shoulder press my left shoulders hurts like a mofo.

    • @sergiotl7378
      @sergiotl7378 7 років тому +3

      I fucked up my left shoulder sleeping on that side, SO... sleep is bad! Nice logic.

    • @sergiotl7378
      @sergiotl7378 7 років тому

      もちむらもち
      Possible and frequent. It happens a lot. Sleeping on your side is the worst anatomical posture you can adopt, fucks up your shoulder, twists your spine and gets your hips misaligned.

    • @sergiotl7378
      @sergiotl7378 7 років тому

      Face up is the only anatomically correct position, as far as I know. But it's hard, my lower back is uncomfortable when holding that position for a long time, so I roll sideways some times. I just try to spend less time sideway.

  • @Ris3nPropheT
    @Ris3nPropheT 7 років тому +1

    thanks men, I been doing dips since prison and now I been feeling a bad soar on my shoulders. but now I will definitely take your pro tips to good use, thanks God bless

  • @DiegoWeissel
    @DiegoWeissel 7 років тому

    you are a great teacher, thanks! I had always felt dips didnt work as much as it seemed

  • @calemnoida884
    @calemnoida884 7 років тому +4

    It's not dangerous if you strengthen the muscles that work when you do dips

  • @timocruz9098
    @timocruz9098 7 років тому +7

    I'd say just don't go dep on the dips stop half way & explode up

    • @salmanmemon1000
      @salmanmemon1000 7 років тому

      That's what I thought too and there are not too many body wright tricep excercises

    • @MrJamboy300
      @MrJamboy300 7 років тому

      that exactly what i was thinking while was demonstrating

    • @saboone5742
      @saboone5742 7 років тому

      agreed. cut the motion in half. better yet when you go up dont explode fast, just go slow. and never extend the elbow joint out to a straightarm, thats dangerous, leave a little bent at the elbows. all heavy bodyweight exercises and weightlifting motions are best done slowly if you want to reduce the risk of injury to your body. they say it doesnt target the fast twitch muscle as well when you go slow, but ive never really noticed a difference in strength gains by going slow instead of fast. when you do explosive movements with heavyweights the risk of a torn ligament or muscle rises significantly.

    • @PirataMundoTV
      @PirataMundoTV 7 років тому

      I agree... I wonder how much stretching he does or any other form of movements other than traditional weight lifting because my shoulders don't roll forward like that. My guess would be bad form, muscle imbalances or over active /under active muscle groups that compromise movement. Just my take on it

  • @Roybalzmorphs
    @Roybalzmorphs 7 років тому

    Thanks that's the best advice I have got in a long time. Appreciate it

  • @Vladojica
    @Vladojica 5 років тому +3

    Unfortunatelly, I saw this video too late. Two years ago I got partial rupture of supraspinatus tendon by doing exactly what Ron described with dips. Just felt the pain in my left shoulder and that was it, couldn move my arm for couple of months. Thanks Ron on great video!!!

    • @JustinDAMusic
      @JustinDAMusic Рік тому

      Your form was incorrect. Dips are a great exercise when done correctly. Far better than cables.

    • @LiberatedMind1
      @LiberatedMind1 Рік тому

      @@JustinDAMusic So what in your opinion is the way to avoid that?

  • @texabara
    @texabara 7 років тому +5

    I am a competitive swimmer, and 41 years old. Dips are always in the list of dry land exercises for swimmers. I understand your concern, but there is a way to do this right and, lets say, less risky to the joint. I have learned to retract the trapezoid muscles during the movement. I never use weights in this exercise and I limited the range of motion too. This protect the shoulder.

    • @bull5919
      @bull5919 Рік тому

      the question is are they really effective? I would say no what do they develop? whatever you say I've developed it without dips

  • @brentbaier
    @brentbaier 7 років тому +15

    Subscribed! You are my new go-to fitness guy. I love the positive attitude, clean professional videos, and the God Bless you at the end :D Going to be watching more of your videos Ron, thanks for the tips.

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому +2

      Thanks for subscribing and welcome to the channel!!!

    • @mattthompson1876
      @mattthompson1876 7 років тому +1

      Me too! I'm still gonna do dips though. LOL

    • @22airjordan1
      @22airjordan1 7 років тому +2

      LOL I said the same thing and this is the first comment. Very clear explanation

    • @TheJerzyslugga
      @TheJerzyslugga 7 років тому

      yea dude unlike a lot of ppl I appreciate the professionalism that a lot of guys on here don't give u so it's nice to see once in a while I jus subbed as well

  • @dirtboyslong9202
    @dirtboyslong9202 7 років тому

    So true, dips were wrecking my shoulders but thought it was being caused by pull-ups. Can once again sleep on my side...Good work Ron!

  • @norwegianstud
    @norwegianstud 7 років тому

    Thanks for exelent advice man!

  • @professrsmokem4299
    @professrsmokem4299 7 років тому +20

    Hannibal For King would say otherwise lol

    • @AOMartialArts
      @AOMartialArts 7 років тому +4

      Agreed.

    • @alienmf7033
      @alienmf7033 7 років тому

      😂

    • @SuperZakaru
      @SuperZakaru 7 років тому

      Hannibal for King wont be able to reach above his head when hes 60 years old cause his shoulders gunna be so fucked. This guy isnt teaching you how to stop getting injuries its how to prevent them from years of abuse on your joints and tendons. if you stopped doing dibs now it wouldnt matter to your life or mobility till much older is his point.

  • @sovereignm3rcy483
    @sovereignm3rcy483 7 років тому +26

    Man, I respect your opinion on the topic but if you can't see how dramatically more your shoulders are rolling using the cables I don't know what to say. I've been doing dips like a new man for 12 years, I even still have the record at my old high school. I hope it doesn't catch up to me and injure my shoulders... IDK what to do now...

    • @sovereignm3rcy483
      @sovereignm3rcy483 7 років тому

      mad*

    • @sovereignm3rcy483
      @sovereignm3rcy483 7 років тому +2

      +Christian Bozwell I have a couple times, his shoulders are going back way more with the cables, the only difference I can see it there is more of a butterfly movement with the cables. Also he was doing dips with poor form (based on how I was shown) when you dip you are not supposed to be straight up and down you have to angle your feet back and upper torso forward a bit, and never go lower than a 90° angle at your elbow.

    • @sovereignm3rcy483
      @sovereignm3rcy483 7 років тому

      Christian Bozwell Yeah I'm stuck now cause I don't have access to cables. The last thing I wanna do mess up my joints.

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому +27

      The shoulder joint is a ball and a socket. When you are doing cable crossovers the ball rolls naturally backwards and forwards just like a bird in flight, but when you are doing the dips the shoulder is forced into an unnatural position and the more resistance you have the more pressure on the joint itself. It may not hurt today or tomorrow, but this movement is accumulative and later on is when you will start feeling the pain from the slow deterioration of the joints, ligaments, and tendons. It is the very reason why baseball players are only allowed so many pitches per game and per season, because they constantly go against the joint and they know that eventually the deterioration shows up in the form of pain -- many times it ends in surgery. My job with this channel is to teach you how to avoid injuries from what you are doing now that shows up later in life. I always say ask yourself "Why" and "is there a better way to get the results that I am looking for." God bless you I hope this helps! Ron Williams

    • @sovereignm3rcy483
      @sovereignm3rcy483 7 років тому +2

      +Ron Williams helps a lot, unfortunately I don't have access to do cables yet as I work out at home. is there maybe a way with resistance straps to get the same job done? I have a pull up bar at home maybe use that some how? Idk... anyways thanks a ton for your replies man it means a lot. God bless

  • @deadscorpion77
    @deadscorpion77 7 років тому

    Thanks! Its very very helpful and more inspiring.

  • @baezrivera4848
    @baezrivera4848 7 років тому

    This man definitely knows his stuff

  • @scorpio1139
    @scorpio1139 7 років тому +12

    3:09"I'm not pushing straight forward, i'm not pulling up but i'm going owwwwwwwwwww" LMAO. But great video.

  • @simonheywood1286
    @simonheywood1286 7 років тому +4

    Thank 4 sharing my brotha. Much appreciated.

  • @barrygoldwasser5449
    @barrygoldwasser5449 5 років тому

    Ron, as usual, excellent advice. Thank you!

  • @rixavera61
    @rixavera61 7 років тому

    Was wondering why my rotator cuff started acting up. I appreciate this video. Thanks, man!

  • @dr.psycho5606
    @dr.psycho5606 5 років тому +4

    If your form and mobility are on point you'll be fine

  • @jawkneeG
    @jawkneeG 7 років тому +15

    Is it that dips are inherently bad, or that people are weak (due to lifestyle/lack of strengthening) while in the certain areas of dip position? I started taking gymnastics a few months ago. I realized a lot of the things we call "bad" in the weightlifting/bodybuilding community is actually just because we're weak in those positions. And if you strengthen those weak positions properly, then you'll be fine.
    I personally stopped doing dips years ago because I felt the excessive strain on my shoulder and left elbow. But this recent gymnastics training has really opened my eyes regarding the fact that most people, even athletes, are weak in a lot of places they shouldn't be, due to training imbalances and neglected areas.
    Most people don't have the flexibility/mobility/range of motion that all humans naturally should have.

    • @enriqueperez1714
      @enriqueperez1714 5 років тому +1

      johnny_schwifty.soundcloud You should make a video to demonstrate

    • @iwantlee9510
      @iwantlee9510 5 років тому

      That's a great point, and you are probably right.
      Mr Williams is still right, though. As long as people are too weak, and as long as people ignore the dangers of dips, they shouldnt do em.

    • @tesseractharpy6138
      @tesseractharpy6138 5 років тому

      How do gymnastics fix that problem may i ask? Would be useful for all of us :)

    • @miesvaillanykyisyytta3252
      @miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 4 роки тому

      Disagreed. How do you know how much flexibility we "should" have? You don't. You don't need any extra strength to carry out your daily tasks and all sports are inherently a bit unhealthy and vain. The more extreme the stretch, the more danger there is regardless of your strength or flexibility.

  • @drleoman
    @drleoman 6 років тому

    Thanks so much! Excellent video!!

  • @angelbencebi5920
    @angelbencebi5920 6 років тому

    You got my vote. Great attitude to help the multitudes. God be with you too brother.

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  6 років тому

      Thank you so much, I appreciate you for being with us. God bless you, Ron

  • @F10natee
    @F10natee 7 років тому +5

    I always do dips when doin chest workouts and I've never had a problem

  • @batenanio984
    @batenanio984 6 років тому +10

    I've been doing dips for the past 20years and never had a problem. Im doing them when body is static and with swing forward and backward. One of the best exercises for triceps. Also when you are using the swinging motion includes shoulders, forearms, chest, abs and lower back. Best exercises are the ones that use your own body weight and includes as many muscles as possible. Be flexible and agile, big muscles don't mean anything it's just a complex

  • @Manic_Mitch.official
    @Manic_Mitch.official 7 років тому

    I like his style. Good advice man

  • @williamwest2005
    @williamwest2005 6 років тому

    Good video. Thanks for your input.

  • @Arnell_Long
    @Arnell_Long 6 років тому +29

    Appreciate the insight. 😤
    Well, time to do a few sets of *Dips*

  • @rondog8192
    @rondog8192 6 років тому +4

    Ive been sayin it wrong all these years. Ron Williams the expert says pectorial and Ive been sayin pectoral. THATS what I get out of this video. btw I LOVE dips. and I go DEEP. for 38 years

  • @nzrdb6
    @nzrdb6 7 років тому

    Some good advice from a guy who knows what he's talking about

  • @NolanWalper
    @NolanWalper 7 років тому +1

    thank you for the info brotha

  • @matthew3076
    @matthew3076 3 роки тому +25

    The Rock does dips, and he looks great. So I’m going to do dips too.

    • @maxmartin9026
      @maxmartin9026 2 роки тому +2

      The rock also probably has a nice amount of HGH injections from a top doctor. That heals any injuries or pain. The rest of us don’t have access. Excessive Dips f’d my shoulders. Wish I listened to this guy earlier. Moderation may be ok, but I am staying away from them for a long time.

    • @maxmartin9026
      @maxmartin9026 2 роки тому

      I am assuming you are also young. This man is old, natty, and looks great. Longevity is key bro. If you do them just listen to your body well to not regret anything. Injuries =quickest way to lose muscle

    • @hoop6988
      @hoop6988 2 роки тому

      @@maxmartin9026 natty lol.

  • @Ultradude604
    @Ultradude604 8 років тому +33

    Athlean X also says this, so I know this info is legit coming from Ron.

    • @RogueTravel
      @RogueTravel 8 років тому +4

      Athlean X also discourages muscle ups. He's probably opposed to all of men's gymnastics

    • @bqfilms
      @bqfilms 8 років тому +2

      the thing is these kind of exercises can get you hurt much easier than cable presses, but I guess if you love muscle ups then do them.

    • @enditend2
      @enditend2 8 років тому +4

      he was doing weighted dips the other video I saw him....

    • @otallono
      @otallono 8 років тому +1

      He doesn't discourage muscle ups he just says it's not an exercise on it's own, it's multiple exercises combined... just not the way he trains. Saying he discourages muscleups is like saying he discourages pull-ups. But he doesn't....
      I train back and tris separately, not everything at one time. So I watch Athlean-X. You might be more in to watching a calisthenics guy..

    • @leroykamau8930
      @leroykamau8930 7 років тому

      damnnn I loved dips tho

  • @fabiomartone4476
    @fabiomartone4476 7 років тому

    You Ron are tottally right, we are not made in the same way, someone here can do it without feeling conseguences maybe, but personally, once I have started this kind of excercise when I was 20 years old and totally shaped, and my shoulder got inflammation, over the acromion, so badly that for 2 months I had to stop any activity and was hard to sleep in bed rolling on body side.
    I would say, if some of you is doing this for 20 years, don't feel free to suggest this kind of exercise to everybody, and don't say that it is bullshit.

  • @lakersfan213
    @lakersfan213 7 років тому

    thats why my shoulders felt like they were falling off the other day. a gift & cursed exercise indeed!! good vid!

  • @etothebang
    @etothebang 7 років тому +8

    weird. Been doing dips at the end of everyone of my workouts for the last three years and haven't had one shoulder problem yet. Be cautious of any one that tells you not to do a compound movement.

    • @AdolfHitler-zi7gr
      @AdolfHitler-zi7gr 7 років тому +4

      ive done lsd and cocaine while working out people say i might get a heart attack but what do they know hes just a dumb jew doctor -_-

    • @SoWhatJoshua
      @SoWhatJoshua 7 років тому

      lol

    • @TheMrAdis
      @TheMrAdis 7 років тому

      hahahaaa

    • @ghost_7766
      @ghost_7766 2 роки тому

      You'll feel it in a few years . Keep thinking it can't happen to you

  • @KevAlberta
    @KevAlberta 8 років тому +15

    So why not continue doing dips but limiting the bottom end range of motion instead of completely eliminating the exercise

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  8 років тому +13

      In order to fully develop the muscle it is important to get a full range of motion; otherwise the muscle will develop strength in a partial range of motion and there will be a weakness in the muscle in the range of motion that you are not training and it will be susceptible to injury. God bless you, Ron

    • @RogueTravel
      @RogueTravel 8 років тому

      +Ron Williams Hey Ron I can appreciate the perspective on the dangerous aspect of dips. For those of us that have grown up with gymnastics, the bodyweight dip is a movement that we're unwilling to forfeit, unfortunately. But a lot of what we do would also be considered unsustainable over the long term.

    • @adrian07gallegos1
      @adrian07gallegos1 7 років тому

      exactly, I think when you are a beginner, do not go all the way down, but as you get stronger and more advance as an athlete, is ok ok to go lower, but little by little. is just like squats. you don't go all the way down as a beginner, you have to work yourself to that point when your joint and muscles are ready

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому

      The problem with this being a solution is if you can't get a full range of motion with the exercise that you are performing then why do it at all? It would be better to do an exercise that will work the triceps in a full range of motion without jeopardizing the shoulder joint. God bless you, Ron Williams

    • @RogueTravel
      @RogueTravel 7 років тому

      +Ron Williams if the goal is to train the triceps, then you're right. Many athletes need strong, mobile shoulders. For them, training active shoulder flexibility along with strength through the entire range of motion is valuable. For bodybuilding, it may not be appropriate. Gymnasts further develop the dip motion by training Russian dips, as well as Bulgarian ring dips.

  • @AKGFearless
    @AKGFearless 7 років тому

    u just gain a new sub ! thanks bro ! would this help the side of the chest too (the side chest that connects to armpit) mine isnt connected but do u have any suggestion ?

  • @DaGuittarMan
    @DaGuittarMan 7 років тому

    Hey i loved that explanation!! thanks so much!!

  • @punako268
    @punako268 7 років тому +4

    improper form on many exercises is a problem not only dips

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  7 років тому +3

      I agree completely - we see crazy stuff in the gym. God bless you my friend, Ron Williams

    • @juniperpansy
      @juniperpansy 7 років тому +2

      So why not use this video to show how to do dips properly then? The video shows you doing an exercise with bad form and then compares it to an exercise you use good form in. I'm sorry but this isn't helpful

  • @kaptaansahab5048
    @kaptaansahab5048 7 років тому +3

    ok....done👍i am going to stop doing gym

  • @hasheembell3512
    @hasheembell3512 5 років тому

    Thank you for that video!

  • @profilefituk780
    @profilefituk780 6 років тому

    Very educational bro and I totally agree, I never rely on dips as you say they do a lot more damage than people realise!

  • @IamSamSammIam
    @IamSamSammIam 7 років тому +23

    and going forward OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH .... stretch OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and again OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • @demo2382
    @demo2382 7 років тому +16

    I'm not going to stop doing them. They are easy and feel great!

    • @AdolfHitler-zi7gr
      @AdolfHitler-zi7gr 7 років тому +25

      so is paid pussy

    • @andymunz4531
      @andymunz4531 7 років тому +1

      +Cortez Van gaurd you're the man

    • @jookerysmithers4673
      @jookerysmithers4673 7 років тому +1

      +Cortez Van gaurd Fuckin epic Lil Niggah😂

    • @AdolfHitler-zi7gr
      @AdolfHitler-zi7gr 7 років тому

      もちむらもち just spreading facts

    • @SuperZakaru
      @SuperZakaru 7 років тому

      Easy and feel great now maybe even 10 or 20 years from now. when you are 40 50 or 60 though you will look back at your dumbass self and say damn i cant even reach above my head to grab something but im sure glad i was able to do dips as a kid with no pain!!

  • @YeahNahWhateva
    @YeahNahWhateva 6 років тому

    Hey Ron, thank for all the safe tips and information. What about barbell dips? Are the shoulder joints in a safer position? ...also, my elbows hate me for diamond push ups, and arnold presses please help.

    • @Ironchestmastervip
      @Ironchestmastervip  6 років тому

      The arnold presses are dangerous for the shoulder joint, I have several videos that speak about this subject, please watch them. When it comes to diamond push ups, you've probably heard in the past when you are doing squats, don't allow your knees to go past your toes, which is really good advice. In this case, your elbow joint acts like your knee joint and when you position the elbow in more than a 90 degree angle, it creates a lot of tension that eventually causes pain and damages the joint. I always ask two questions #1 why am I doing this exercise? #2 Is there a better way to accomplish my goal? God bless you, Ron Williams.

  • @normangellada2017
    @normangellada2017 7 років тому

    Very informative. Thanks Ron!

  • @naveenm232
    @naveenm232 5 років тому +4

    I just broke my collarbone while doing dips.

  • @lordofdestruction8465
    @lordofdestruction8465 7 років тому +3

    yo he may small or whatever but he is right. i do my dips correctly amd my left shoulder is not permanently fucked but on its way

  • @judechopper
    @judechopper 7 років тому

    listen to this man, i have shoulder injury, a torn tendon and muscle fracture from DIPS.

  • @whatupdoe19111
    @whatupdoe19111 7 років тому

    Coming from someone who's recovering from rotator cuff surgery...I really appreciate this vid. I feel like it was meant for me to see because I randomly came upon it. I recently started my (gym) rehab after completing physiotherapy and physical therapy. Right now I'm using cables to execute various arm raises (very light weight of course). What really got my attention is the part about doing weighted dips and your description of what happens to the shoulder joint during this movement. You were speaking DIRECTLY to me! I'm only 5'9, 165lbs but my tris have always been really strong...and I loved doing weighted dips (not the cause of my injury though). I had gotten up to 4 plates 3reps! Needless to say, I tried to do a heavily assisted dip the other day (on the assist machine) and it felt HORRIBLE. After watching this vid...it all makes sense. I think I'll avoid performing dips going forward. I really don't want to sustain another shoulder injury....keeping me from the gym again lol. Again, I appreciate your wisdom and for sharing it. Take care. Sorry for the long post...but when it hits home...you gotta get it out:)

  • @richiewilliams8690
    @richiewilliams8690 7 років тому +4

    Thanks for the info

  • @Azikkii
    @Azikkii 7 років тому +12

    Gymnasts are constantly in many dip variations and they seem to be doing quite well. How would you explain them?

    • @KuatoLives99
      @KuatoLives99 7 років тому +3

      he can't

    • @JfaJosephR9
      @JfaJosephR9 7 років тому +2

      They have adapted to becoming faalllexible someone who has no to limited experience in lifting or working out may find it much more difficult to have very moveable joints

    • @temjiu9915
      @temjiu9915 7 років тому +5

      I was a gymnast in HS. And you'd be surprised at how many of them fight tendonitis and cuff injuries constantly. Even with advanced and proliferate warm up and stretching. So no, they don't necessarily do "well". You just don't see them outside of their performances, when they're icing their shoulder or elbow for half the day.

    • @robinnilsson7905
      @robinnilsson7905 7 років тому +1

      HAHA exactly. All i have to say is this: Olympic Roman Rings Athletes.... Doing the dip motion(A ring dip) Is they're only way to get up in the rings to preform they're sport. Check out Olympic Ring Gymnastics..... now thats some seriously strong fucking guys.

    • @SuperZakaru
      @SuperZakaru 7 років тому +1

      How many 50 year old gymnasts do you see? how many 60 year old gymnasts do you see? Yeah thats what i thought... You dont see any of them cause they literally cant preform anymore cause of injuries and self abuse doing the same movements thousand and thousands of times.

  • @bobs8789
    @bobs8789 6 років тому

    A lot of great info, he is warning about the possibility of injuring yourself while doing Dips, and offers an alternative. This is a great video...

  • @THELEEGASPARI
    @THELEEGASPARI 5 років тому

    Dayum! Bruh! You are good at what you do. I just love how you explain things.

  • @henchgamer6996
    @henchgamer6996 7 років тому +28

    I don't know who Ron williams is and I don't know why this came up but that is a load of bullshit. I am 30 years old and i started training when I was about 16. Pushups, pullups and DIPS were my bread and butter exercises. I did these 100s of times everyday. I have been doing them all the time and I still don't them. I do them weighted too. You are sending the wrong message to the young ones. What about the calisthenics athletes who do dips on a regularly basis? The greats like zef zakavieli, hannibal, adam raw and frank medrano. They do dips. They don't look injured to me. The great bodybuilders will tell you that dips are the upper body squat and do them. Serious strength athletes and powerlifters swear by dips. If you can't handle your own bodyweight, you have no business playing with weights. To anybody watching this guy's video, please do not take it seriously. Warm up before a workout, do the exercie properly with good form (learn from a coach or do some research) , make sure you stretch after your workout and give enough time for your body to recover.

    • @themacblast3384
      @themacblast3384 7 років тому +1

      And he's a world class bodybuilder. No one cares that you've been working out since you were 16.

    • @henchgamer6996
      @henchgamer6996 7 років тому +8

      +The Mac Blast He's a world class bodybuilder saying that dips are dangerous.. LOLLLL

    • @slicksouthpaw
      @slicksouthpaw 7 років тому +3

      Push ups, Pull-ups and Dips (bar and bench) are the foundation of any workout routine, or should be! You got guys who can bench 300 pounds but struggle to do 10 strict pull ups or 10 dips! Fucking sad really

    • @henchgamer6996
      @henchgamer6996 7 років тому +4

      +slicksouthpaw yeah it's pathetic. I also see young guys at the gym, flexing in front of the mirror, doing cable curls but then they use the assistance machine to do pullups.

    • @talxlaohxra1238
      @talxlaohxra1238 7 років тому +2

      Exactly. Dips dips dips, for chest and triceps. Cables are useless.

  • @comedyman112
    @comedyman112 7 років тому +5

    so i stretch "UUUUUH"

  • @dz70434
    @dz70434 7 років тому

    going through a shoulder injury now just want to say thanks so many people have no idea the damage they do to themselves this was a very informative video thanks also the shoulder has the widest range of motion than any other joint in the body and also relys upon muscle to keep it moveing with all that range of motion comes a much higher risk of injury. good stuff.

  • @joetrevino8376
    @joetrevino8376 7 років тому

    I appreciate the advice my left rotator cuff was starting to really become painful & inflamed from years of doing dips. 👍