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Do you plan on doing more of the Pro slo-mo things like with Simon and Drew? Would be neato if you were able to get some of them pressure-detection thigns to put on their hand (fingers/thumb). Similar to what they put in shoes to see where pressure is applied doing explosive movements. Would be a cool way to track the grip strength beginning to end of the entire throw.
That first tip of starting with the index finger on top then tucking it down after you have placed everything else is huge for me. The grip feels really nice and more importantly I have an easy way to replicate it.
I’ve watched this before but today on the course struggling to hit my normal max of 275ft I got frustrated and started going through this series again. I just realized I never actually tried the grip lock & feel the disc rotate out of your hand so I went and tried it and… man I’m getting a ton more spin now. What a drill to get the feel and really focus on grip! I can’t wait to go throw full force again to see the impact. Thank you Josh!!
@overthrowdiscgolf, could you do a video on how to drive uphill (from the teepad)? Especially in controlling nose angle when you are inevitably going to be nose up. Maybe better to throw slower or less stable discs? Anyway, I suck at this and you're my only hope!!
I have an issue where I cannot get it to come out of my grip even with halfway griping. I dont get more than 300ft of distance so i dont think im generating any pivot. any thoughts?
It's kind of funny, but I stumbled across a Dave Dunipace video a few weeks ago called, "Pivot & Pop with Dave Dunipace" where he's talking about a lot of the stuff you guys have talked about in the last couple of videos. Pretty much staying loose until the last moment where you then switch into a tight grip. Anyways, I was drilling into the net and getting the actual tug feeling with my drivers that I had apparently not been getting. It's something I figured out with putters early on, but for some reason my brain didn't think I should do the same thing with drivers. I'm stoked to have another drill to mess around with in the field. Appreciate everything you guys do and all the work you do to create these drills for us. You guys rock!
They're not a joke, you don't make jokes about em, TC Tuggers. You don't wear em as a joke, you don't give em as a joke gift, or wear them ironically, or do pub crawls in em like the Snuggie. They're not like the Snuggie.
OK, I finally had time to try this in the field and I am stunned. Zero effort practice throws go way farther than they have any right to. It has completely changed my mental self talk when doing pre-throw routines. I knew it would be good for me, but I had no idea just how much! Thank you.
This channel has always been awesome, and idk what's gotten into you folks lately, but you've been CRUSHING IT. The new deep dives and the way you've been organizing your drill and tutorial videos have been beyond high quality. Keep up the good work. This channel and the Patreon are an absolute go-to.
Super last thing. Just under 7 min you're doing your conclusion to this grip video. You mention the release point is critical. The course I play at night is a mile away and (to me) is a lefty course, open 24 hrs. Here's the thing, When you throw Kastaplast glow you don't have to really look for them. You just have to walk past and your peripheral vision will pick them up in the rough. The course I play, the rough is junglesque but Kastaplast glow like light sabers even on a full moon you'll see green light emanating outwards from long grass, weeds, trees doesn't matter. But the point is boss, is that I think LHBH is not as fast but... throwing fairway drivers full send and they're practically landing on top of each other. I have 2 Lots and 2 Falks. They usually land within a basketball free throw box, all 4 . What about RHBH? I don't throw RHBH at night because that's when my LHBH gets work but no way. There's no way my RHBH could pull that consistency off.
I just have to say what a wild revelation this might be... I do exactly what you say in the "this is totally wrong" situation. I just took it for granted that this was not something I needed to work on... but here we are. Gonna try this later today!
Absolutely no joke, I've been power gripping for 6 of the 7 years I've been playing. Never really thought much more about my grip. I throw around 390-410ft. I tried getting my power grip how Josh does in this video and threw into my net and felt a lot faster. Took it to the field and threw 485' twice. pardon my french but what THE fuck. Headed to the online store now for this one.
Having deja vu watching this bud. And not just because your insert about the store had you in the same shirt I saw you in this morning. Got it. Keep my wrist CURLED.
I've started to develop a callous on my index finger just slightly in front of the first knuckle. This is from the disc ripping out of the hand instead of actively opening the hand.
Thanks so much for sharing this. I went to a field yesterday to try it out, and the results were immediately noticeable. Really helped with snap, spin, and therefore distance. First time seeing a noticeable difference in distance after a drill. Thanks for all the useful content you guys put out!!!
Thanks for the videos! This might not be the appropriate place to ask this question, but I'm going to give it a shot anyway. Why is it that somedays I can throw 450ft with ease and other days it seems like I'm struggling to throw 350ft?? On the strugging days the discs seem to fade to the left way faster (right handed, backhand) and when I try to compensate with more anhyzer angle, my throw just feels weak. But on the days when I can throw good, I can get to 450ft with little effort, comparitively speaking, and it seems like I can get even my most stable discs to flip up and then fade much later in the flight? Probably not the easiest question to answer, especially without seeing my throws, but I thought since you coach many people, that you might have some insight into this really annoying issue.... Thanks again, peace!
I'm obviously just some rando, but from my experience, your issues could be (from most likely to less) 1. Form not consistent 2. Overuse of arm and body, which may decrease arm speed and/or form 3. Climactic conditions. Some discs are going to fly different given varying temperatures and wind conditions. All things being equal, throwing more reliably overstable discs will provide you with more consistency, if not more thrills and excitement. Try for a more conservative game plan and put the more understable discs to the back and see how that approach works out. Maybe a more boring game, but I bet you're gonna find more consistency
Nobody else will care about this, but as a photographer, the lighting in this video is rough. The raccoon eyes on Josh is very distracting. AMAZING content though. I just want the best for you guys, and adding a basic reflector or LED light would greatly improve the image and overall quality. I realize this is a super nit-picky comment for an otherwise great UA-cam video. I have learned so much for your channel, so thank you!
Well that's interesting! Also the bucket analogie sounds quite right. But stopping the extension at the hit does hurt in my neck and also I'm confused of stopping vs. follow through which seems to interfere!? Also it does not seem, that Pros do stop at the hit!? Do I misunderstood something? Thanks for your great videos anyways :)
I did this drill today and the disc wouldn't leave my hand😢 Am I supposed to allow the wrist flick or keep holding it tight so it doesn't flick at all? Maybe I was supposed to let it flick on its own but not stop it from doing it.
Boss, quick question. Do you do this for mid-ranges as well nowadays? I throw mid ranges RHBH with modified fan. I saw you do that and it's my RHBH grip. LHBH is weird. Tried modified fan grip for the first time tonight on my kastaplast glow mid ranges. The fan grip... I just threw 3 gote and 1 svea but here's the thing. Seems like the RHBH transferred more than I thought. I thought I would lose a glow if I tried modified fan LHBH. The discs were wet but I heard that snap. 1 made it inside the star, but I was thinking, Grip doesn't matter yet LHBH on mid ranges. That's great news on a maiden experiment with the mid range grip you demonstrated in a prior grip clip. Give yourself, the 2 or 3 year ago Josh a fist bump.
How am I supposed to keep my wrist curled when the disc releases from my hand? The disc wants to open up my wrist. I'm not internationally opening up my wrist.
hmmm have i been monkey pawing this whole time? i cant wait to give this grip a try! i know i have many flows in my form and flexibility but this one feels amazingly different and easy to replicate time and time again! Josh if you see this i am building a 9 disc bag to play a round off of only recommendations of youtube creators. Currently the bag is looking like a Wizzard, Pig, Zone, hex, Instinct, Stalker, and Pro Thunderbird. would you mind picking one more for the bag?
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the answer ! Do you mean that I should lighten my grip while doing the drill to take into account the fact that my throw is slow ?
While I like the repeatability of this grip technique, I can’t seem to get the nose down with this grip. If I keep my index finger on top I’m good but when I shift my index finger to the bottom the nose moves up. Is nose down a grip thing or a wrist thing? I know it’s both but I feel like I’m setting myself up for failure gripping like this. Ugh…
When Josh said looking forward to seeing some of you in Patreon. I'm a Patreon member. So he just meant me. I'm the some he isn't looking forward to seeing. It's all me, not you
I did the drill a bunch (indoors 🤫), and nothing really happened... I had no problem holding on to the disc. Then I watched in slow motion, tried to mimick the motion better, and after a few more tries the disc suddenly SHOT out of my hand and into my wall, causing me to exclaim "WHAT?!". Very excited to try this out on the field!
This is the video I've been looking for. Thank you so much. Two follow-up questions tho: How much do you adjust your grip for something like a putter, and could you do this same video for forehand? Love your stuff, cheers.
So being firm helps with the tug ? Does a slight wrist curl aid in a live throw ? (heard it both ways). Thanks for the post, a new one to try in the yard. I am sure I'm a monkey gripper, a pinch monkey gripper though. It's apparent I need to try that higher level chimpanzee grip, thanks for another eye opener. Will look at the store, compulsive like a monkey.
Hey. Something I discovered recently is that it is possible to change the playback speed of most youtube videos. It helps when watching form videos. Especially the ones that are "slow motion" already. Just click on the settings gear icon and select "Playback Speed" to adjust it. Then after hitting the pause button, use the cursor to step forward and backwards. The timeline slider is a red dot. Click on the rim of that dot to get minimum steppage.
So I used to exaggerate this on my throws and it really jacked up my flexor tendons. I would proceed with caution. 2 mph is not worth getting trigger finger.
Field tested your grip drill and, not surprisingly, it worked great. But, then I tried it with the forehand. Going on 3 years into this sport and my forehand is, well, not as bad as it could be and not as good as it should be. So, doing this grip drill, on the FH, felt really good and I was able to get my forehands to, at least, fly straight at what I was aiming at. Distance was about the same. Started releasing at the 3 o'clock position. again, Big thanks.
Can this still be done if your pulling in the down swing with your lead elbow? Is it a combo of pull then “jab” outward or just a jab out? Asking for a friend… haha
Great video! Can this technique be used as practice for a forehand grip and release point? I know the mechanics out of the hand differ a lot from a backhand
loved watching this and i can’t wait to work on it in the field! it got me thinking about my fan grip though and how this would apply to a mid or back loaded grip if at all? is there a way to apply this to those grips or something to disregard because of the emphasis on accuracy and control?
Anyone have grip suggestions for players with short index fingers and/or joint stiffness? I find it near impossible and painful to bring the index finger under the rim without the "monkey" grip. With the index finger being critical, what adjustment can I make to get the index finger in the proper position given my physical limitations. Surely, there are others out there who have this challenge. Thanks!
Can't say for sure, but you could try just skipping the index finger and use the middle finger as the pivot point. I have no idea if it will work or not lol, but worth a try.
I have short fingers and in order to keep the nose down I actually rest my pointer finger on rim of the disc. My middle finger is my main pivot point as a result. I can use my pointer finger as the pivot point for mid-range rims and higher but the grip becomes more of a modified fan grip for me as opposed to a power grip.
@@pisteville7797 came here to recommend exactly this. It's called the Bonapone grip. Here a link to what it looks like. ua-cam.com/users/shorts6O0IufzSwMs?feature=share
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@@awwitsHurts like a lot of coaches…. Genetics is the great equalizer most people don’t have the athletic genetic advantages to take good form to next level. So you have to separate Josh the coach from Josh the player. On the flip side just because you were a top tier player with great form doesn’t meet you are good at coaching others to be the same.
@@deanotto1130 that is so true. Just look at those who coach the best tennis players. Were they themselves in top 10, or even top 100? Very rarely. Understanding the mechanics, knowing how to explain it, having an eye for someone's movement and seeing what is wrong and what is right, those are separate talents.
Thank you! I felt the disc ripping out of my hand on rare occasion, and I have been wondering why am I not feeling that. You completely answered that by saying "Don't help the disc out of your hand". I don't think I've been letting go of the disc, at least not intentionally, but I was definetly not tucking in the wrist. The tucking in, and concentrating on keeping the hand closed, brough this feeling back. I definitely felt the tug! And I was able to continue feeling it while progressing into my regular "backyard throw with a putter". Result: I see way more spin on the disc than usual, and I hit the fence. That's a first! I am looking forward to practice this on the course and see if I can feel the tug while worrying about throwing the disc into the creek.
So this is a cool drill, I've done things like it with people I try to help with their form. One thing that you didn't explicitly mention, but implied was that you can't be "mashing" on the disc for this. I would love you to give some clear recommendations for how hard to grip the disc during this drill. Also does this pressure need to change as you increase speed with the drill? What disc type do you prefer for this drill? You look like you're using a midrange or possibly a slow fairway initially. Thanks for the content you put out. Honestly this is the only channel I feel comfortable pointing people to without identifying videos to watch.
Thoughts on dropping the pinky off of the disc and only using a 3 finger grip? I've been throwing 3 fingers for years and hit about 380' and under with accuracy, wondering if I'm losing extra distance or anything else by doing this? I do it because it's more comfortable, but I would switch back if there's a good reason to learn to deal with it.
Went out and played with this today. Should I be concerned if I wasn't really able to hold on to the disc from that one-leg deep pocket position? I couldn't hang on to the disc to the point that it flew behind me or anything. It was coming out pretty straight, no matter how hard I tried to hang on. That being said, I definitely think there's something to the wrist curl. I saw a lot of recommendations from people like Ezra and Paul Ulibarri who said don't try to do that. What I noticed today is that my wrist was starting out straight and opening up at the hit. I tried to focus on starting and keeping it bent and I think it added like 25' to my putter throws. Way more consistent releases. I also noticed after progressing to the second part that my wrist was straightening out during the reach back. I think I was just trying to reach back (or leaving my disc too far behind me). Stopped focusing on extension and focused instead on keeping that wrist bend, not turning my head early, and keeping the hand closed through follow through. Seemed to help a lot.
So, to clarify, the wrist stays firm at the hit and doesn't flick through it correct? I bring this up from others always saying the wrist is the last part of "the whip" and that makes me assume it flicks like a whip through the throw Love the content as always too ❤
If it’s straightened out as a result of the disc redirect, then I think it’s fine. They are more or less straight/lightly curled at disc ejection, but the point is to definitely not whip the wrist outward.
When i try to bring my index finger under the disc it crams my palm skin and is uncomfortable, does that mean im doing it wrong, or is my index finger not long enough?
Can you advise on someone who has a shorter pointer finger. When I do your directions on how to power grip, my pointer finger cannot reach the bottom of the flight plate.
@OverthrowDiscGolf I did a terrible job explaining what I meant. During field work I had this moment of uncertainty. Do I drive the lead elbow forward to the point it is past my shoulder (said differently: behind my shoulder) or do I think more like a series of levers unfurling. In retrospect it's obviously the latter!
@@DG_ADK the elbow goes first. Not unfurling in order. It’s not the standard kinetic chain. Elbow goes past the shoulder and the shoulder unfurls later
I would think keeping the wrist curled through release would lose speed vs letting the wrist snap to straight or beyond. I will have to try it and see.
When done at full speed (full reach back, power pocket, and brace), the force vector is so immense that it should open your wrist up without even thinking about it. This drill is meant to exaggerate that feeling so that it becomes muscle memory during a full throw.
Man, I don't know if I do this wrong or what. Are my fingers too strong? Is my arm strength too weak (probably)? Point being, if I ACTUALLY try to keep hold of the disc with JUST the forearm extension, I DO. Goes nowhere, stays in my hand. I can whip that back and forth all day as hard as I can (setting up the grip as indicated). Can most people not? If I loosen my grip a little, it'll come out, but I'm not sure i'm "supposed" to - you said the "goal" was "hold on", so I'm not sure which I should be doing? If I do the full reachback-pullthrough, I can't hold onto it; it goes basically straightish. I mean wobbly and like 15' into the ground, but straightish. Feels bad either way. I am more or less a total newb (been trying to develop technique for only a few months), so I ASSUME your advice is spot on and that the issue here is with me - this is a genuine question: what am I supposed to be learning here? Are you saying I shouldn't actually intentionally open my hand when i throw for real, or is this just for this drill? Is the key point don't open the wrist at all? I'm finding with a full reachback and pullthrough, my wrist opens a bit whether I want it to or not. Sorry, just not sure on the key points/intention. Would love to hear from anyone who knows what this is about and/or can speak to the above...
@@OverthrowDiscGolf - oh hey, thanks for the reply. I tried it a bit more, loosening and tightening the grip. If I'm JUST doing the arm extension, I have to barely hold it for it to come out (sloppy, not firm). If I put in just a little torso rotation, it'll rip out. Got a few to go behind me, but not consistently. I'll practice this some more; see if it helps - I think the grip and wrist positions are part of my lack-of-spin problem.
Ok so I am trying to rebuild my form after being stuck at 300’ for ~4 years. I love the teaching you guys do on here, very clear and informative. I had a question, how do you keep your wrist curled at the hit? I am trying everything and as soon as I get to the hit the wrist opens up. Is it simply practice over and over trying to keep the wrist curled?
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I’ve been buying my gear from Amazon but since you gave that spiel about “if you don’t already have someone you buy through regularly” I realized that since I receive such valuable tips from your channel and really enjoy your guys’ style, it seems like a win/win to make future disc-golf purchases through your store as a ‘thank you’
Thanks Todd! We appreciate it greatly
Do you plan on doing more of the Pro slo-mo things like with Simon and Drew? Would be neato if you were able to get some of them pressure-detection thigns to put on their hand (fingers/thumb). Similar to what they put in shoes to see where pressure is applied doing explosive movements. Would be a cool way to track the grip strength beginning to end of the entire throw.
I have been wanting to do this
How about if they can get them to throw with the tech disc? The data!
@@trulsrohk9 even better
@@trulsrohk9 yeah for sure. Simon throws so effortlessly fast it's deceiving. Would be cool to get data on him.
That first tip of starting with the index finger on top then tucking it down after you have placed everything else is huge for me. The grip feels really nice and more importantly I have an easy way to replicate it.
I’ve watched this before but today on the course struggling to hit my normal max of 275ft I got frustrated and started going through this series again. I just realized I never actually tried the grip lock & feel the disc rotate out of your hand so I went and tried it and… man I’m getting a ton more spin now. What a drill to get the feel and really focus on grip! I can’t wait to go throw full force again to see the impact. Thank you Josh!!
@overthrowdiscgolf, could you do a video on how to drive uphill (from the teepad)? Especially in controlling nose angle when you are inevitably going to be nose up. Maybe better to throw slower or less stable discs? Anyway, I suck at this and you're my only hope!!
I have an issue where I cannot get it to come out of my grip even with halfway griping. I dont get more than 300ft of distance so i dont think im generating any pivot. any thoughts?
If your hand is behind the disc at the point of release it can't help but come out.
It's kind of funny, but I stumbled across a Dave Dunipace video a few weeks ago called, "Pivot & Pop with Dave Dunipace" where he's talking about a lot of the stuff you guys have talked about in the last couple of videos. Pretty much staying loose until the last moment where you then switch into a tight grip. Anyways, I was drilling into the net and getting the actual tug feeling with my drivers that I had apparently not been getting. It's something I figured out with putters early on, but for some reason my brain didn't think I should do the same thing with drivers. I'm stoked to have another drill to mess around with in the field. Appreciate everything you guys do and all the work you do to create these drills for us. You guys rock!
This is the first time where I'm not sure what I just watched. What was the point of this one? Squeeze hard as you can?
They're not a joke, you don't make jokes about em, TC Tuggers. You don't wear em as a joke, you don't give em as a joke gift, or wear them ironically, or do pub crawls in em like the Snuggie. They're not like the Snuggie.
You're looking great! And as always, top tier content
OK, I finally had time to try this in the field and I am stunned. Zero effort practice throws go way farther than they have any right to. It has completely changed my mental self talk when doing pre-throw routines. I knew it would be good for me, but I had no idea just how much! Thank you.
One of your best videos yet. The water in the bucket analogy is PERFECT. Thank you so much for the quantent.
Also silimilar is the brace. I walk through it instead of stopping. Great analogy with the water bucket. May be better than the whip analogy.
This channel has always been awesome, and idk what's gotten into you folks lately, but you've been CRUSHING IT. The new deep dives and the way you've been organizing your drill and tutorial videos have been beyond high quality. Keep up the good work. This channel and the Patreon are an absolute go-to.
Appreciate that
Super last thing. Just under 7 min you're doing your conclusion to this grip video. You mention the release point is critical. The course I play at night is a mile away and (to me) is a lefty course, open 24 hrs. Here's the thing, When you throw Kastaplast glow you don't have to really look for them. You just have to walk past and your peripheral vision will pick them up in the rough. The course I play, the rough is junglesque but Kastaplast glow like light sabers even on a full moon you'll see green light emanating outwards from long grass, weeds, trees doesn't matter.
But the point is boss, is that I think LHBH is not as fast but... throwing fairway drivers full send and they're practically landing on top of each other.
I have 2 Lots and 2 Falks. They usually land within a basketball free throw box, all 4 . What about RHBH? I don't throw RHBH at night because that's when my LHBH gets work but no way. There's no way my RHBH could pull that consistency off.
I would love! Love a slow-mo-disc-release-video! Stuff like the @theslowmoguys do! :D
I just have to say what a wild revelation this might be... I do exactly what you say in the "this is totally wrong" situation. I just took it for granted that this was not something I needed to work on... but here we are. Gonna try this later today!
Absolutely no joke, I've been power gripping for 6 of the 7 years I've been playing. Never really thought much more about my grip. I throw around 390-410ft. I tried getting my power grip how Josh does in this video and threw into my net and felt a lot faster.
Took it to the field and threw 485' twice. pardon my french but what THE fuck. Headed to the online store now for this one.
Congratulations!
Awesome video! Thank you for the fantastic advice!
Having deja vu watching this bud. And not just because your insert about the store had you in the same shirt I saw you in this morning.
Got it. Keep my wrist CURLED.
It was random, but I like bucket of water analogy. I've been trying to explain that concept to a newbie friend and he hasn't quite gotten it
Thank you. I will practice this. Solid analogy with the bucket. Brilliant actually. I’ll stop by the shop and check your stuff out.
I've started to develop a callous on my index finger just slightly in front of the first knuckle. This is from the disc ripping out of the hand instead of actively opening the hand.
Mashed tater grip tip… That main light is casting some dark shadows on the eyes. Looking evil. 😎Appreciate the content!!
Thanks so much for sharing this. I went to a field yesterday to try it out, and the results were immediately noticeable. Really helped with snap, spin, and therefore distance. First time seeing a noticeable difference in distance after a drill. Thanks for all the useful content you guys put out!!!
Thanks for the videos! This might not be the appropriate place to ask this question, but I'm going to give it a shot anyway. Why is it that somedays I can throw 450ft with ease and other days it seems like I'm struggling to throw 350ft?? On the strugging days the discs seem to fade to the left way faster (right handed, backhand) and when I try to compensate with more anhyzer angle, my throw just feels weak. But on the days when I can throw good, I can get to 450ft with little effort, comparitively speaking, and it seems like I can get even my most stable discs to flip up and then fade much later in the flight? Probably not the easiest question to answer, especially without seeing my throws, but I thought since you coach many people, that you might have some insight into this really annoying issue.... Thanks again, peace!
I'm obviously just some rando, but from my experience, your issues could be (from most likely to less)
1. Form not consistent
2. Overuse of arm and body, which may decrease arm speed and/or form
3. Climactic conditions. Some discs are going to fly different given varying temperatures and wind conditions.
All things being equal, throwing more reliably overstable discs will provide you with more consistency, if not more thrills and excitement. Try for a more conservative game plan and put the more understable discs to the back and see how that approach works out. Maybe a more boring game, but I bet you're gonna find more consistency
This might be the best drill/coaching point I’ve watched this year. Thank you!
Nobody else will care about this, but as a photographer, the lighting in this video is rough. The raccoon eyes on Josh is very distracting. AMAZING content though. I just want the best for you guys, and adding a basic reflector or LED light would greatly improve the image and overall quality. I realize this is a super nit-picky comment for an otherwise great UA-cam video. I have learned so much for your channel, so thank you!
Well that's interesting! Also the bucket analogie sounds quite right. But stopping the extension at the hit does hurt in my neck and also I'm confused of stopping vs. follow through which seems to interfere!? Also it does not seem, that Pros do stop at the hit!? Do I misunderstood something? Thanks for your great videos anyways :)
You don’t stop during a full throw! Super important. Only to be done at slow speeds to feel the pivot
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thank you for the clarification!
I did this drill today and the disc wouldn't leave my hand😢 Am I supposed to allow the wrist flick or keep holding it tight so it doesn't flick at all? Maybe I was supposed to let it flick on its own but not stop it from doing it.
Start with a light grip and then progressively increase
Boss, quick question. Do you do this for mid-ranges as well nowadays? I throw mid ranges RHBH with modified fan. I saw you do that and it's my RHBH grip. LHBH is weird. Tried modified fan grip for the first time tonight on my kastaplast glow mid ranges. The fan grip... I just threw 3 gote and 1 svea but here's the thing. Seems like the RHBH transferred more than I thought. I thought I would lose a glow if I tried modified fan LHBH. The discs were wet but I heard that snap. 1 made it inside the star, but I was thinking, Grip doesn't matter yet LHBH on mid ranges. That's great news on a maiden experiment with the mid range grip you demonstrated in a prior grip clip. Give yourself, the 2 or 3 year ago Josh a fist bump.
It depends on how I’m throwing the mid. I’ll do this if I’m driving with it and modify the grip a little bit.
Should rename this video “how to potentially injure yourself because we don’t address the warnings until the next video”
Sure
How am I supposed to keep my wrist curled when the disc releases from my hand? The disc wants to open up my wrist. I'm not internationally opening up my wrist.
If it opens up on its own that is fine. Just don’t intentionally unfurl it
kinda confused ?is this teaching proper grip pressure? seems like griplock when went behind you -so did u lighten grip?
Yep. When it goes behind you then you need to dial the grip pressure back a bit
hmmm have i been monkey pawing this whole time? i cant wait to give this grip a try! i know i have many flows in my form and flexibility but this one feels amazingly different and easy to replicate time and time again! Josh if you see this i am building a 9 disc bag to play a round off of only recommendations of youtube creators. Currently the bag is looking like a Wizzard, Pig, Zone, hex, Instinct, Stalker, and Pro Thunderbird. would you mind picking one more for the bag?
I’d love to see you add something slightly flippy to that bag so I’ll go with a axiom Rhythm
@OverthrowDiscGolf right on! I will playing a wooded course so this will be a workhorse. Thanks
Don't you release at least a little bit ? When I try it while gripping very hard I manage to keep the disc in my hand, sorry if this sounds dumb !
The slower the throw the lighter the grip will be.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the answer ! Do you mean that I should lighten my grip while doing the drill to take into account the fact that my throw is slow ?
I was about to try this in my house until you told me not to try this in my house 😆
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While I like the repeatability of this grip technique, I can’t seem to get the nose down with this grip. If I keep my index finger on top I’m good but when I shift my index finger to the bottom the nose moves up. Is nose down a grip thing or a wrist thing? I know it’s both but I feel like I’m setting myself up for failure gripping like this. Ugh…
That hand stop at 4:07 is not good for your elbow and shoulder. I wouldn't advise anyone to do this.
Addressed in other videos. Slow speeds like this is fine. Don’t do quickly obviously
When Josh said looking forward to seeing some of you in Patreon. I'm a Patreon member. So he just meant me. I'm the some he isn't looking forward to seeing. It's all me, not you
😢 I must be doing something wrong. The disc doesn't want to rip out of my hand. I hold on to it the entire time.
Just not throwing fast enough for the grip pressure using. Either throw faster or use a lighter grip.
I did the drill a bunch (indoors 🤫), and nothing really happened... I had no problem holding on to the disc. Then I watched in slow motion, tried to mimick the motion better, and after a few more tries the disc suddenly SHOT out of my hand and into my wall, causing me to exclaim "WHAT?!". Very excited to try this out on the field!
This is the video I've been looking for. Thank you so much.
Two follow-up questions tho: How much do you adjust your grip for something like a putter, and could you do this same video for forehand?
Love your stuff, cheers.
So being firm helps with the tug ? Does a slight wrist curl aid in a live throw ? (heard it both ways). Thanks for the post, a new one to try in the yard. I am sure I'm a monkey gripper, a pinch monkey gripper though. It's apparent I need to try that higher level chimpanzee grip, thanks for another eye opener. Will look at the store, compulsive like a monkey.
I think i finally found the one vid ive been looking for. This explains a lot. Will try drill tmrw after work!
Hey. Something I discovered recently is that it is possible to change the playback speed of most youtube videos.
It helps when watching form videos. Especially the ones that are "slow motion" already.
Just click on the settings gear icon and select "Playback Speed" to adjust it.
Then after hitting the pause button, use the cursor to step forward and backwards. The timeline slider is a red dot. Click on the rim of that dot to get minimum steppage.
So I used to exaggerate this on my throws and it really jacked up my flexor tendons. I would proceed with caution. 2 mph is not worth getting trigger finger.
Your health journey is on point my man. Drop it. 🙆♂️🤷♂️🙇♂️
Field tested your grip drill and, not surprisingly, it worked great.
But, then I tried it with the forehand.
Going on 3 years into this sport and my forehand is, well, not as bad as it could be and not as good as it should be.
So, doing this grip drill, on the FH, felt really good and I was able to get my forehands to, at least, fly straight at what I was aiming at. Distance was about the same.
Started releasing at the 3 o'clock position.
again, Big thanks.
This is really counter intuitive for someone who has thrown a frisbie (proper pre Wham-o spelling) most of their life. But I’ll give it a shot :)
Can this still be done if your pulling in the down swing with your lead elbow? Is it a combo of pull then “jab” outward or just a jab out? Asking for a friend… haha
I can't get the disc to come out of my hand with that exact grip. The humidity is at 10 trillion percent right now, is that why?
Hi Sir, are you coaching noobs like me?
Yep. Over on Patreon. Link in description
Your store won't let me purchase being out side of US :( is there anyway I can get around this?
ua-cam.com/video/ALrdHD3XMdY/v-deo.html If you go frame by frame in this video, you can really see the tug
If the disc isn't fully ejecting (mine stops at my index finger, the rest it snaps away from) what does that mean?
That wrist tip and the bucket just gave me my snap back. Bombs.
Superb video - much appreciation for your awesome content. I practice disc golf much more often because of your videos - so thank you 👍
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Great video! Can this technique be used as practice for a forehand grip and release point? I know the mechanics out of the hand differ a lot from a backhand
loved watching this and i can’t wait to work on it in the field! it got me thinking about my fan grip though and how this would apply to a mid or back loaded grip if at all? is there a way to apply this to those grips or something to disregard because of the emphasis on accuracy and control?
Anyone have grip suggestions for players with short index fingers and/or joint stiffness? I find it near impossible and painful to bring the index finger under the rim without the "monkey" grip. With the index finger being critical, what adjustment can I make to get the index finger in the proper position given my physical limitations. Surely, there are others out there who have this challenge. Thanks!
Can't say for sure, but you could try just skipping the index finger and use the middle finger as the pivot point. I have no idea if it will work or not lol, but worth a try.
I have short fingers and in order to keep the nose down I actually rest my pointer finger on rim of the disc. My middle finger is my main pivot point as a result. I can use my pointer finger as the pivot point for mid-range rims and higher but the grip becomes more of a modified fan grip for me as opposed to a power grip.
I have seen a player putting index finger top of dosc and thumb top of index finger. Try and see if it works or not
@@pisteville7797 This is exactly what I am doing. I have arthritis and very stiff index fingers (62 years...). It is a modified Bonopane grip.
@@pisteville7797 came here to recommend exactly this. It's called the Bonapone grip. Here a link to what it looks like. ua-cam.com/users/shorts6O0IufzSwMs?feature=share
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Thanks! All the best
You were just born to teach!! I’ve spent 10 years trying to throw properly, you have evolved my game more in 6 months 😅 Thank you!
Happy to help!
Yo but you don't throw too far yourself right? Not here to mock, but how are your teachings not applied to your own throw?@@OverthrowDiscGolf
@@awwitsHurts like a lot of coaches…. Genetics is the great equalizer most people don’t have the athletic genetic advantages to take good form to next level. So you have to separate Josh the coach from Josh the player. On the flip side just because you were a top tier player with great form doesn’t meet you are good at coaching others to be the same.
@@deanotto1130 that is so true. Just look at those who coach the best tennis players. Were they themselves in top 10, or even top 100? Very rarely. Understanding the mechanics, knowing how to explain it, having an eye for someone's movement and seeing what is wrong and what is right, those are separate talents.
Thank you OT. Really appreciate your help. : )
So this means I should never let go or open my hand?
Thank you! I felt the disc ripping out of my hand on rare occasion, and I have been wondering why am I not feeling that. You completely answered that by saying "Don't help the disc out of your hand". I don't think I've been letting go of the disc, at least not intentionally, but I was definetly not tucking in the wrist. The tucking in, and concentrating on keeping the hand closed, brough this feeling back. I definitely felt the tug! And I was able to continue feeling it while progressing into my regular "backyard throw with a putter". Result: I see way more spin on the disc than usual, and I hit the fence. That's a first! I am looking forward to practice this on the course and see if I can feel the tug while worrying about throwing the disc into the creek.
Nice!
DUDE you're looking so good lately
Oh, and thanks for another great video.
I did not know this... Thanks for sharing
The wrist has to open to straight at least
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So when you extend...do you extend to 10 o'clock? In the video it looks as though Josh is extending towards 12 o'clock 🤔
Your body won’t make it to 12:00.
Yes! More great content to digest! No more Water Bucket releases!! 😂
So this is a cool drill, I've done things like it with people I try to help with their form. One thing that you didn't explicitly mention, but implied was that you can't be "mashing" on the disc for this. I would love you to give some clear recommendations for how hard to grip the disc during this drill. Also does this pressure need to change as you increase speed with the drill? What disc type do you prefer for this drill? You look like you're using a midrange or possibly a slow fairway initially.
Thanks for the content you put out. Honestly this is the only channel I feel comfortable pointing people to without identifying videos to watch.
You need more and more grip pressure to resist the redirect at higher speeds
Thanks. Heading out now
Thoughts on dropping the pinky off of the disc and only using a 3 finger grip? I've been throwing 3 fingers for years and hit about 380' and under with accuracy, wondering if I'm losing extra distance or anything else by doing this? I do it because it's more comfortable, but I would switch back if there's a good reason to learn to deal with it.
I’m cool with it
What does it mean if the disc is staying in my hand? It pivots to holding behind the disc off the back fingers, but I’m still holding on.
Just grip a bit looser until it comes out
Went out and played with this today. Should I be concerned if I wasn't really able to hold on to the disc from that one-leg deep pocket position? I couldn't hang on to the disc to the point that it flew behind me or anything. It was coming out pretty straight, no matter how hard I tried to hang on. That being said, I definitely think there's something to the wrist curl. I saw a lot of recommendations from people like Ezra and Paul Ulibarri who said don't try to do that. What I noticed today is that my wrist was starting out straight and opening up at the hit. I tried to focus on starting and keeping it bent and I think it added like 25' to my putter throws. Way more consistent releases. I also noticed after progressing to the second part that my wrist was straightening out during the reach back. I think I was just trying to reach back (or leaving my disc too far behind me). Stopped focusing on extension and focused instead on keeping that wrist bend, not turning my head early, and keeping the hand closed through follow through. Seemed to help a lot.
You should feel the disc coming out of your grip / popping off your fingers
Tried this and hurt my finger. Maybe my tendons are weak or something 😅. Will try again later.
Could be. You might try a lighter grip then you need in the beginning and then work up to the correct grip pressure.
So, to clarify, the wrist stays firm at the hit and doesn't flick through it correct? I bring this up from others always saying the wrist is the last part of "the whip" and that makes me assume it flicks like a whip through the throw
Love the content as always too ❤
Correct
Is that a Mint Sublime Bobcat in the Grip Alignment section?
It was a ethereal pathfinder
Genuine question, if youre not popping the wrist at the end, shouldnt a straight wrist simply be equal in power as a curled one?
If it’s straightened out as a result of the disc redirect, then I think it’s fine. They are more or less straight/lightly curled at disc ejection, but the point is to definitely not whip the wrist outward.
So are you saying during this drill, do not follow through with the wrist? Kinda feels weird keeping the wrist bent the entire time
Don’t actively break the wrist into the hit
When i try to bring my index finger under the disc it crams my palm skin and is uncomfortable, does that mean im doing it wrong, or is my index finger not long enough?
Adjust it to where it’s comfortable without totally ruining the setup. Hands are weird
Can you advise on someone who has a shorter pointer finger. When I do your directions on how to power grip, my pointer finger cannot reach the bottom of the flight plate.
Build your group starting from the pointer finger
I don't know if this question will make sense, but:
The lead elbow should or should not push past the shoulder
It should
@OverthrowDiscGolf I did a terrible job explaining what I meant.
During field work I had this moment of uncertainty. Do I drive the lead elbow forward to the point it is past my shoulder (said differently: behind my shoulder) or do I think more like a series of levers unfurling.
In retrospect it's obviously the latter!
@@DG_ADK the elbow goes first. Not unfurling in order. It’s not the standard kinetic chain. Elbow goes past the shoulder and the shoulder unfurls later
@OverthrowDiscGolf I figured it out. Now to force my brain to unlearn 16 years of limp wrist throwing
Is this most relevant for distance driving or also even for 220 ft gap lines?
This is for drives not for touch
Mate my grip is too tight for disc to rip out of my hand. It'll only rip out if I loosen my grip
Throw faster
The journey never ends at Overthrow
foot fault
Thanks Josh
I would think keeping the wrist curled through release would lose speed vs letting the wrist snap to straight or beyond. I will have to try it and see.
When done at full speed (full reach back, power pocket, and brace), the force vector is so immense that it should open your wrist up without even thinking about it. This drill is meant to exaggerate that feeling so that it becomes muscle memory during a full throw.
You said tug.
Man, I don't know if I do this wrong or what. Are my fingers too strong? Is my arm strength too weak (probably)? Point being, if I ACTUALLY try to keep hold of the disc with JUST the forearm extension, I DO. Goes nowhere, stays in my hand. I can whip that back and forth all day as hard as I can (setting up the grip as indicated). Can most people not? If I loosen my grip a little, it'll come out, but I'm not sure i'm "supposed" to - you said the "goal" was "hold on", so I'm not sure which I should be doing? If I do the full reachback-pullthrough, I can't hold onto it; it goes basically straightish. I mean wobbly and like 15' into the ground, but straightish. Feels bad either way.
I am more or less a total newb (been trying to develop technique for only a few months), so I ASSUME your advice is spot on and that the issue here is with me - this is a genuine question: what am I supposed to be learning here? Are you saying I shouldn't actually intentionally open my hand when i throw for real, or is this just for this drill? Is the key point don't open the wrist at all? I'm finding with a full reachback and pullthrough, my wrist opens a bit whether I want it to or not.
Sorry, just not sure on the key points/intention. Would love to hear from anyone who knows what this is about and/or can speak to the above...
Start with a super loose grip and then progressively increase while doing the drill and report back
@@OverthrowDiscGolf - oh hey, thanks for the reply. I tried it a bit more, loosening and tightening the grip. If I'm JUST doing the arm extension, I have to barely hold it for it to come out (sloppy, not firm). If I put in just a little torso rotation, it'll rip out. Got a few to go behind me, but not consistently. I'll practice this some more; see if it helps - I think the grip and wrist positions are part of my lack-of-spin problem.
When i want to toss a bucket of water on someone i like to throw the bucket too, because that really surprises the target
Pro strats
I almost broke my tv even after the warning 😂
Close one
Good stuff
Ok so I am trying to rebuild my form after being stuck at 300’ for ~4 years. I love the teaching you guys do on here, very clear and informative. I had a question, how do you keep your wrist curled at the hit? I am trying everything and as soon as I get to the hit the wrist opens up. Is it simply practice over and over trying to keep the wrist curled?
Just don’t actively open and you should be ok
@@OverthrowDiscGolf❤ thanks guys! On to step 2