You have no idea how much i have learned from you. A beginner, middle aged person, but madly in love with disc golf since i was introduced last year. Thank you!
Backloaded is the way, or at least, the way that gives you a more relaxed yet firmer grip. And still, the release will happen, eventually, from the index finger. Great video, yet again!
Great video. I also used to be very pinch oriented, and have slowly moved more toward this finger pivot + backload style. Seems to help reduce tension in the wrist!
I love when you do these detailed videos. This video was eye opening to little details I never thought about. I’m going to give it a re watch then head to the field with a disc from each class of disc. Thank you again for the knowledge and for the inspiration to improve.
Was listening to Aaron "Goose" Gossage talk about his grip and he puts pressure on his middle finger and ring finger on distance drives. That's helped me improve distance and accuracy. Bodanza got me on too much thumb pressure...and that did not help me at all. 😮 Can't wait to try this!
This video helped me more than any of the previous grip videos. My form has been good but my grip awkward and annoying. This fixed it from the first throw. Good stuff.
So useful! Your content has helped me so much and I’m repping your custom clash stuff here in the Uk. The OT wild honey has been a game changer for me.
I always say: "in my opinion and my experience" for my training vids because my experience may change later...therefore, so will my opinion. Lol! I appreciate your admission that certain "facts" are subject to change.
Highly agree with the thumb pressure idea. I actually started using a slightly pointed thumb to stabilize the disc because my thumb would sometimes lift off the disc during the throw.
This video is super timely for me. I feel like my form has been getting there, but my grip is what is letting me down. Way too many times my finger gets hooked on the disc. It didn't even occur to me to float my index on a mid-range, which is what I primarily throw right now. Can't wait for it not to be so hot so I can try this out!
When I first started playing disc golf about 14 years ago, I used the powergrip. After switching to the modified fan grip, I got more distance and accuracy. Might be my small hands, but there is no wrong way to grip, it's what works best for you.
Yeah I went from power grip on every disc to more of a modified power grip (very close to what people call a modified fan grip) and I've only gained accuracy and control, with no loss in distance.
The more nose pressure = nose up has proven to be 100% accurate with my personal work. I'm not saying the thumb is the only thing but that pressure can make it impossible to go nose down. I've straightened my thumb out and reduced the pressure to more of a positional amount versus a true pinch. I think of my thumb as the wobble stabilizer. I have a VERY consistent LOW (average around 2.5 deg) wobble throw even without perfect form and definitely contribute a good bit of it to that pinch pressure.
Two related comments: Josh correctly says good grip keeps disc from rotating out horizontally prematurely, however a slight lift under the disc with finger opposite grip hand will pop disc off the fingers easily. I suspect pros like Eagle put there thumb towards middle of disc to keep it from lifting vertically instead of to create pinching pivot point. My hands are small and i am having a lot of trouble finding a grip that the discs 8 speed and above don't slip out of. i can't seem to get forefinger hooked enough to resist disc and provide pivot and generate spin. I am so frustrated
I'd be interested in seeing the thumb slide towards the edge and how that affects BH? When I was learning to pull in ultimate Brodie had a good bid that showed a more inside out (hyzer) release and also thumb slides all the way to rim when ripping a full field pull. I feel like BH pull form in ultimate isn't that far of from BH tee form but I'm a DG noob?
I never have been clear on the exact contact point of the fingers on the disk underneath. Is it the pads of the fingers, as in where your finger prints are, or is the tips of your fingers, as in the very end? Thanks for sharing your love of the game.
I’ve had some success with backloaded grip (birdie/middle finger only fan grip) recently, but for some reason I like to put my index finger as deep as I can, and my second knuckle is on the edge of the rim, NOT the tip/1st knuckle. That way the tip of my index finger is aligned with the tip of my thumb and it feels good and comfy, but I’m not sure if that increases nose up angle more? Is it a big no no? It feels akward to let the first knuckle of the index just to rest there, and it goes somehow uncomfotably too far from the rest of the fingers with back loaded grip, so I”ve been tucking my index as deep as it goes towards the center of the disc (no matter what disc, even drivers) like in 13:20 in this video, but as I said, I’m not sure does the 1st knuckle rip enough with that placement. I’ve had some calluse because of thst placement (in the ”last” part of my index), so I assume it does rip to a degree, but not sure what it does to my launch angle. Hmm.
I def gotta practice those 100-200ft touch shots. They look like they should be easy, until I realize I don't throw them often, and my 1/2 swing or 3/4 swing feels awkward and I grip it too loose or grip lock. Gotta hit up my local short course more!
It's been a while, but what I used to do it's take a practice basket out to the field, throw 4 approaches forehand and backhand(if you have enough discs) starting at 100ft. Then putt from the worst backhand and worst forehand. If I make 4 out of 5 putts I'd move back 30ft to 130ft. If I only made 2 let's say, I'd putt again but this time if I make 4 of 5 it just resets the approach attempts. (You can set the putting bar wherever, sometimes I'd make it 5/5 first attempt to move back). I could usually make it to 200ft. It is great approach practice and putting practice as you feel some pressure on both. I got to the point where I'd do anny, flat, and Hyzer rounds from all those distances. After one session you'll have confidence that will last a few months
Seems like Joseph Anderson and Eagle have similar grips. Thumb deep into the middle and it seems really “flat” to the ground or something too. Hard to describe what I mean
Should the finger tips be touching the top of the flight plate or be curled in to touch the rim such that the finger nails touch or face towards the flight plate?
I've struggled with putter grip since I started playing basically, to the point where I don't bag putters. I could never get a comfortable grip outside of a power grip. Where are you putting your pointer finger on the disc during the approach shots section? Is it literally not on the disc at all while you throw? Or does it rest on the rim somewhere? Thanks for what you do!
Does how hard you grip the disc effect spin? I have a really loose grip right up until the hit, and it doesn't necessarily feel like its falling out, but my spin is stuck around 1100. When I try to grip it really hard I get way less speed and spin, but maybe I have to practice it more.
Sidenote question: Never heard a snapping throw irl but in some videos people seem to have a super distinctive sound (snap/crack) at release. No idea if this is caused by style/grip/power/microphone or whatever. Is it just "something that happens to some people" or is it more of a "universal indicator of awesomeness"? :o
The microphone definitely helps pick up the snap noise. Having an audible snap is not super important. Usually if I’m standing right next to someone, I can hear something but it’s the varying degrees and it’s not related to speed.
I get a lot of pain in the middle knuckle of my middle finger when i power grip. probably from the disc improperly pulling on it out of the hand. any ideas other than switching to a modified fan grip (which i've done already)?
Do you have any tips on grip for people with long fingers? I haven’t found one single video on how the grip changes when you have “piano fingers”, like me, compared to “sausage fingers”. Just for fun, grab a mini with a decently high rim and you will understand my problem. Long fingers confuse me when looking at any grip video and I plan on keeping my fingers 😋
We need this for forehands. I got a 0 to 400ft forehand with more audible snap than your mother's uncles left knee. I'd love to know speed and rpm. Probably like 30mph and 2000rpm. It's the definition of effortless. Ps you got my backhand to 400 and counting. Just armed my drives..wow and now this back loaded grip....i was front lol canit wait to try this out..seems like ill have backhand snap
so are we saying backloaded grip now? I've always heard the index finger is the most important and should have hte most pressure, now we're saying backloaded and pinky is most important? I'm so freakin confused man.
350-400 ft for a mid ... No thanks, more like 300-350 for me ... And I feel like I'm throwing pretty well, 65 mph ballpark a good standstill will hit 65-66, with an x step, it gets a touch faster too. I'll get about 500' out of a corvette or shryke, but ive never got 400 from a mid ... I thought I was bombing when I saw 430 out of a teebird. Edit: ( I also badsicslly have never been good at throwing mids) they aren't a floaty like a putter but treat them like a driver and nothing behaves right either and i haven't found that like 0 nose angle and like 7 degree launch angle that it seems like mids would like.
Same actually. Just a month or two ago my mid game was non existent. Then I just thought, “why don’t I modify the grip so I can actually drive with these things.” Now I love mids.
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You have no idea how much i have learned from you. A beginner, middle aged person, but madly in love with disc golf since i was introduced last year. Thank you!
Backloaded is the way, or at least, the way that gives you a more relaxed yet firmer grip. And still, the release will happen, eventually, from the index finger. Great video, yet again!
You said it, brother.
Best disc golf channel and it isn't even close.
Great video. I also used to be very pinch oriented, and have slowly moved more toward this finger pivot + backload style. Seems to help reduce tension in the wrist!
I love when you do these detailed videos. This video was eye opening to little details I never thought about. I’m going to give it a re watch then head to the field with a disc from each class of disc. Thank you again for the knowledge and for the inspiration to improve.
Babe wake up new OT disc golf video just dropped
Really…. Fml.
That thumb thing is one my most recent discoveries even before seeing this video, and it works great.
Was listening to Aaron "Goose" Gossage talk about his grip and he puts pressure on his middle finger and ring finger on distance drives. That's helped me improve distance and accuracy.
Bodanza got me on too much thumb pressure...and that did not help me at all. 😮
Can't wait to try this!
This video helped me more than any of the previous grip videos. My form has been good but my grip awkward and annoying. This fixed it from the first throw. Good stuff.
Will always watch y’all’s videos, you guys are the 🐐
Thank you for everything you do for us (and yourself) to be better chuckers of plastic in the woods. Love your content.
Killer video! Thanks OT team!
So useful! Your content has helped me so much and I’m repping your custom clash stuff here in the Uk. The OT wild honey has been a game changer for me.
Such a good disc!!!
I always say: "in my opinion and my experience" for my training vids because my experience may change later...therefore, so will my opinion. Lol! I appreciate your admission that certain "facts" are subject to change.
I’ve been looking for a video like this and someone shared it on the bookface. Thank you. Gonna try these moves out soon!
Ah the ol book face
My biggest problem for the longest was thumb placement where does it go and what happens at each spot of thumb placement
Highly agree with the thumb pressure idea. I actually started using a slightly pointed thumb to stabilize the disc because my thumb would sometimes lift off the disc during the throw.
Very helpful. I have to start writing this stuff down.
This video is super timely for me. I feel like my form has been getting there, but my grip is what is letting me down. Way too many times my finger gets hooked on the disc. It didn't even occur to me to float my index on a mid-range, which is what I primarily throw right now. Can't wait for it not to be so hot so I can try this out!
When I first started playing disc golf about 14 years ago, I used the powergrip. After switching to the modified fan grip, I got more distance and accuracy. Might be my small hands, but there is no wrong way to grip, it's what works best for you.
Yeah I went from power grip on every disc to more of a modified power grip (very close to what people call a modified fan grip) and I've only gained accuracy and control, with no loss in distance.
The more nose pressure = nose up has proven to be 100% accurate with my personal work. I'm not saying the thumb is the only thing but that pressure can make it impossible to go nose down. I've straightened my thumb out and reduced the pressure to more of a positional amount versus a true pinch. I think of my thumb as the wobble stabilizer. I have a VERY consistent LOW (average around 2.5 deg) wobble throw even without perfect form and definitely contribute a good bit of it to that pinch pressure.
I'm not kidding. Analogue grip pressure is another thing like angular and linear velocity where I wish I could start over again; after seeing this
I was still doing the Will Schusterick smash with my thumb print on top of the flight plate. Another thing to think about
12:58 this "tweener drive" is so hard. I have a hard time pinching the index and thumb together, sometimes I early release, and sometimes I griplock.
For sure. Make sure the index isn’t hooked. Just pinching the bead
Two related comments:
Josh correctly says good grip keeps disc from rotating out horizontally prematurely, however a slight lift under the disc with finger opposite grip hand will pop disc off the fingers easily. I suspect pros like Eagle put there thumb towards middle of disc to keep it from lifting vertically instead of to create pinching pivot point.
My hands are small and i am having a lot of trouble finding a grip that the discs 8 speed and above don't slip out of. i can't seem to get forefinger hooked enough to resist disc and provide pivot and generate spin. I am so frustrated
I'd be interested in seeing the thumb slide towards the edge and how that affects BH? When I was learning to pull in ultimate Brodie had a good bid that showed a more inside out (hyzer) release and also thumb slides all the way to rim when ripping a full field pull. I feel like BH pull form in ultimate isn't that far of from BH tee form but I'm a DG noob?
I never have been clear on the exact contact point of the fingers on the disk underneath. Is it the pads of the fingers, as in where your finger prints are, or is the tips of your fingers, as in the very end? Thanks for sharing your love of the game.
Fingerprints in the rim imo
I’ve had some success with backloaded grip (birdie/middle finger only fan grip) recently, but for some reason I like to put my index finger as deep as I can, and my second knuckle is on the edge of the rim, NOT the tip/1st knuckle. That way the tip of my index finger is aligned with the tip of my thumb and it feels good and comfy, but I’m not sure if that increases nose up angle more? Is it a big no no?
It feels akward to let the first knuckle of the index just to rest there, and it goes somehow uncomfotably too far from the rest of the fingers with back loaded grip, so I”ve been tucking my index as deep as it goes towards the center of the disc (no matter what disc, even drivers) like in 13:20 in this video, but as I said, I’m not sure does the 1st knuckle rip enough with that placement. I’ve had some calluse because of thst placement (in the ”last” part of my index), so I assume it does rip to a degree, but not sure what it does to my launch angle. Hmm.
My pinky always comes off during my swing, so I just 3 finger it. More control and distance for me for some reason
So what you're teaching is law. Got it! 😁
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I def gotta practice those 100-200ft touch shots. They look like they should be easy, until I realize I don't throw them often, and my 1/2 swing or 3/4 swing feels awkward and I grip it too loose or grip lock. Gotta hit up my local short course more!
It's been a while, but what I used to do it's take a practice basket out to the field, throw 4 approaches forehand and backhand(if you have enough discs) starting at 100ft. Then putt from the worst backhand and worst forehand. If I make 4 out of 5 putts I'd move back 30ft to 130ft. If I only made 2 let's say, I'd putt again but this time if I make 4 of 5 it just resets the approach attempts. (You can set the putting bar wherever, sometimes I'd make it 5/5 first attempt to move back). I could usually make it to 200ft. It is great approach practice and putting practice as you feel some pressure on both. I got to the point where I'd do anny, flat, and Hyzer rounds from all those distances. After one session you'll have confidence that will last a few months
Seems like Joseph Anderson and Eagle have similar grips. Thumb deep into the middle and it seems really “flat” to the ground or something too. Hard to describe what I mean
Should the finger tips be touching the top of the flight plate or be curled in to touch the rim such that the finger nails touch or face towards the flight plate?
Finger prints on the rim
I've struggled with putter grip since I started playing basically, to the point where I don't bag putters. I could never get a comfortable grip outside of a power grip. Where are you putting your pointer finger on the disc during the approach shots section? Is it literally not on the disc at all while you throw? Or does it rest on the rim somewhere?
Thanks for what you do!
It’s resting on the rim like it does for the midrange I show at 11:52
3 finger grip 4 lyfe! BEAR CLAAAWW
No pinkies on my gripsies
Does how hard you grip the disc effect spin? I have a really loose grip right up until the hit, and it doesn't necessarily feel like its falling out, but my spin is stuck around 1100. When I try to grip it really hard I get way less speed and spin, but maybe I have to practice it more.
Gripping hard tends to tighten the wrist which will effect spin
How to break throw plateaus?
Sidenote question: Never heard a snapping throw irl but in some videos people seem to have a super distinctive sound (snap/crack) at release. No idea if this is caused by style/grip/power/microphone or whatever. Is it just "something that happens to some people" or is it more of a "universal indicator of awesomeness"? :o
The microphone definitely helps pick up the snap noise. Having an audible snap is not super important. Usually if I’m standing right next to someone, I can hear something but it’s the varying degrees and it’s not related to speed.
Ok! Thanks for the calming clarification :)
I get a lot of pain in the middle knuckle of my middle finger when i power grip. probably from the disc improperly pulling on it out of the hand. any ideas other than switching to a modified fan grip (which i've done already)?
Unsure. Have you tried loading further back?
@@OverthrowDiscGolf i think this might be worse- making my middle finger extend farther out? also going to try taking off thumb pressure.
Smaller hands also make a difference as to grip and fingers in the plate.
Team small hands here as well
Do you have any tips on grip for people with long fingers? I haven’t found one single video on how the grip changes when you have “piano fingers”, like me, compared to “sausage fingers”. Just for fun, grab a mini with a decently high rim and you will understand my problem. Long fingers confuse me when looking at any grip video and I plan on keeping my fingers 😋
I’ll have to think about that. But Gannon has huge hands so maybe check out his grip. Pretty sure he shows it on his channel
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Well, @gannonbuhr2005 hasn’t got piano fingers, it’s more like spider fingers 😅
You say to learn from mechanics, but how do I find one who’s also a DG pro?
Is this a dad joke?
We need this for forehands. I got a 0 to 400ft forehand with more audible snap than your mother's uncles left knee. I'd love to know speed and rpm. Probably like 30mph and 2000rpm. It's the definition of effortless.
Ps you got my backhand to 400 and counting. Just armed my drives..wow and now this back loaded grip....i was front lol canit wait to try this out..seems like ill have backhand snap
If you’re throwing 400’ forehands you’ve got around 60mph
so are we saying backloaded grip now? I've always heard the index finger is the most important and should have hte most pressure, now we're saying backloaded and pinky is most important? I'm so freakin confused man.
You can still try frontloaded grip, midloaded, backloaded. Whatever works for you. Ultimately you might have to just experiment. 🙂
What I’m saying is that as you start throwing farther the backload feels necessary to avoid it coming out early
Grabbing my honey.
That was dirty Josh right?
Mikey, where was the laugh?
350-400 ft for a mid ... No thanks, more like 300-350 for me ... And I feel like I'm throwing pretty well, 65 mph ballpark a good standstill will hit 65-66, with an x step, it gets a touch faster too. I'll get about 500' out of a corvette or shryke, but ive never got 400 from a mid ... I thought I was bombing when I saw 430 out of a teebird.
Edit: ( I also badsicslly have never been good at throwing mids) they aren't a floaty like a putter but treat them like a driver and nothing behaves right either and i haven't found that like 0 nose angle and like 7 degree launch angle that it seems like mids would like.
Same actually. Just a month or two ago my mid game was non existent. Then I just thought, “why don’t I modify the grip so I can actually drive with these things.” Now I love mids.
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