Plataea 429-427 BC - Peloponnesian War DOCUMENTARY
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Kings and Generals historical animated documentary series on the history of ancient civilizations and Ancient Greece continues with the first episode of our series on the Peloponnesian War, as we see how Athens and Sparta leading the Delian and Peloponnesian Leagues in one of the most brutal wars the ancient Hellenes fought. In the first video we talked about why and how the war started and described the siege of Potidaea in 432 BC ( • How and Why the Pelopo... ). The second episode will talk about the siege of Plataea of 429-427 BC.
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Ah, the Battle of Plataea. A key moment of unity among the Greeks in their history.
*checks notes*
Hey....wait a minute....
50 years later....
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Great video but a small correction is needed. As a fellow Greek i know of the events well: the town of Platea was rebuild by its citizens after the Peloponnesian War but the Thebans destroyed it again after their victory at Leuctra in 371 BC and took their lands which made Athens bitterly disappointed with the Thebans. They then lost at the battle of Chaeronea in 338 against Phillip of Macedon and at the sack of Thebes by the forces of Alexander the Great the Plateans took their revenge and later rebuilt their town with the blessings of the Hellenic League
Exactly what I thought, there’s a small error, Philip of Macedon couldn’t have beaten the Thebans in 381BCE since he was born in 382BCE
Isn't it ironic that Thebes burnt Platea to the ground, only for Alexander to give them the same treatment - utterly destroying the city, killing the men, and selling everyone else into slavery?
Thebes sort of had it coming.
@@ParleLeVuNah, Thebes removed Spartan power. It was about time someone crushed those megalomaniacs.
@@ParleLeVu It was also thecustom for the time. None of those things would be "out of place" to happen after. And if you had a blood revenge, you usually killed everyone. Resistance is Futile.
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Never knew before how fascinating Peloppenesian War is. When I took ancient history, this war was completely glossed over by my professor.
The Funeral Oration of Pericles and the subsequent Plague of Athens is perhaps the most fascinating part of Thucydides. We cover it in a video on the channel, along with Nietzsche's interpretation. Check it out if you're interested. This was a great video, as always!
Great work!
Man I just started playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey just to see this channel post this video. Crazy.
I remember when i fought in this battle
Great video y'all... thanks!
Thank you for the video I really didn't know anything about this or maybe the information just got lost on me.
AWESOME
Man hasn’t changed.
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What the Thebans did to the Plataeans was morally unjustified but it did contribute to their eventual domination over the Boeotian league after the Peloponnesian war and during the Theban hegemony in the 360s.
Curioso que César uso la misma táctica en Alessia
Plz battle of isly 1844
Spartans participating in the harvest? I thought they were professional soldiers.
when I came to this video for the first two minutes I thought it was about the PLATEA after thermopylae and salamis and VS persians. LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh Thebes the irony.
Never cared much for Ancient Thebes. They had it coming to them.
It's crazy how often things were the breakout are ruined because people lack the faith. What would have happened if the whole force in Plataea committed to the effort? Makes ya wonder.
Any serious reason you are using the B.C.E. nonsense instead of B.C.?
Its the same thing really
@@mariuss1590 Why add it then? Why not just use B.C. ?
The Athenians were unwise to leave such a dangerous enemy unchecked at their doorstep.
No they were very wise.
narration in this series is rough.
yeah its terrible but its free so we cant complain
Sparta did nothing wrong
I really thought of it myself 'hey that strategy of building two walls to make a siege was a thing before Caesar and he adopted it almost 400 years later?' No wonder he was one of the well-educated and wise men in Rome at that time. He must've read Thucydides!
So wise he got himself topped.
@@BOZ_11Not everyone. Khalid ibn al Walid comes to mind, similarly undefeated and died of natural causes.
Caesar was Roman nobility. All Roman nobles(well, the males at least), would have had pretty extensive education in Greek philosophy and writings.
@@riptawayyes but for the most part and the most "conventional" of them would negate their hellenic influence yet Caesar adored it, specially due to his glorification of Alexander
@@BOZ_11Constantine the Great would like to have a word.
No wonder Caesar was a quick learner at Alesia
Even by his day nothing was original lol
Indeed
Why invent a new strategy, when one aldready exists that suits your plans perfectly!
@@samanyupalthi agreed
I dont think many commanders of Caesers time would have taken the strategy he took at Alesia. It was highly unorthodox and high risk. I think most commanders in that same position would not have held like Caeser did it was his character that won the battle, few men could inspire like Caeser did.
Man, Caesar must have read Thucydides before his war with the Gauls.
"What good thing did you do for Sparta".
That was the question Spartans asked Plateans before kill them in that farce trial. How easily Greeks forget....
In order to not disappoint their Theban allies, they did not respect Platea as sacred ground and all that Plateans offered in Greco-Persian wars.
Notably the Thebans fought for Persians a few years back in the battle of Platea.
Sparta after the Battle of Plataea during the Persian invasion: "Plataea is sacred! We will defend it against any who wish to attack it!"
Sparta to Plataea during the Peloponnesian War: "💀"
Should’ve accepted the neutrality offer.
Plataea betrayed sparta sparta tried to make a peace offer but the plateans made the most foolish decision in history.
@@Nemesis14423 Hindsight can cloud the reasoning long past, there is much evidence to suggest that the city did not accept neutrality as it would of saw it's bitter foes use Sparta against the city and over time the same result of could come to pass just without the same level of resistance.
I know that talking nowadays is easy because we knew the situation in general, but Athena literally told the city not to surrender, and the city did not surrender and waited for help, and yet Athena did not help, worse, Athena let them starve and soon after die executed, apparently the "good relationship" between Athenas and Plataea was only on one side.
Platea was very fool to side with athens.
@@Nemesis14423 I wouldn't say Sparta was a better option, I think it was just Plataea's misfortune to be located on the border between two great powers of the time;
Athens was 100% pro-Athens. Not so much for her allies (more or less tributaries).
@@thelastsamurai5401 Sparta was a much better option Sparta helped its allies and was much stronger than Athens but in my opinion neutrality was the true best option but the mad people of plataea choose to suffer and die as puppets of the Evil Athens.
@@Nemesis14423 If Plataea was a neutral city it would be quickly destroyed, as it would be alone in the middle of 2 very powerful leagues, and Sparta only helped her allies because she knew that Athena was too cowardly to leave the walls with troops, if Palataea was a city with a port Athena would certainly send her navy to help.
Yes!
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The videos you make are always so detailed and interesting. As a college history professor, I teach survey courses, I have shared my lectures as a free resource for people. What I like about your channel is you do a deep dive into many topics I don't have time to cover in my courses. I often tell my students to watch some of your videos to get more detail on battles we talk about in class.
As a history professor you must know 2000 years ago the greeks didnt had forests ! Where did they getted the wood to make a pallisade ??? A big pat of this story realy happend , but not the pallisade part . Even IF they had the manpower to realise this there was no wood available, Greece was most of the time mountens and farmland . And for this reason battles where always been foght on the same territories, Because a rocky terrain could brake a phalanx...
@@peterderidder9922 what made you think Ancient Greece didnt have forests? a 5second search of academic papers can disprove this nonsense😂
@@Nestoras_Zogopoulos Where talking about 2400 years ago . I am desparatly waiting to learn more of the classic greek history. I readed all possible books about the ancient greeks. Not even one greek writer maded anny notian of a siege with a wooden pallisade . Just didnt readed about it of all greek old history writers. Greek history writers where writing all the battles where been fought on the same places, because the landscape was evrywhere to rocky . Thermopylai is also changed in 2400 years... Also a place where manny battles have been fought. Sorry for my bad englisch writing , I am not used to write englisch, never had englisch lessons; But also the old historic
@@peterderidder9922 Search up Ancient Greek siege warfare and that should suffice; There were quite a few innovations on that front, though not all were successful, for example look up helepolis siege engine. Greece is rocky, yes, but its not some kind of arid hellhole, it had and has a typical mediterranian climate, the existance of forest can easily be seen by the mythology of the Ancient Greeks which frequently mentions Forests and lesser gods and goddesses living in them. I must admit im very flabbergasted by this claim, you seem to have a very skewed notion of the Greek climate. Besides how did they makes so many ships if wood wasnt available, not to mention that the population of the time was much smaller and thusly in need of much less resources anyhow.
Spartans tried to build a. highway on the Plateans' walls but the Plateans were digging under it. When the Spartans realized it and faced it by using clay which made it stable, then the Plateans built new walls inside old walls so the ramp couldn't pass their defence.
Great engineering war in Platea
To fellow Greeks. You know the phrase: 'ανδρών επιφανών πάσα γη τάφος'. Here we hear it once again. :)
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I really dig the new visuals
Superb aren't they? Genuinely first class
So much interesting events during this period, i wish mainstream would make more series about ancient history.
I was just thinking the back and fourth in this story would be a great series
This channel and its videos are so good to watch, telling me new things and reinforcing stuff I already knew. I've even recommended you guys to my Uni History lecturer.
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**not trying to be a jerk just trying to get an error corrected!!!** Phillip didn’t rebuild Plataea in 381 BC he rebuilt it in 338 BC, after it had already been rebuilt and then destroyed again. Phillip the II was one year old in 381 BC so kinda hard picturing him making a power play against Thebes for control of Greece lol
Naupactos is shown in the Peloponnesian League, but if I'm not mistaken, it was an Athenian naval base at the beginning of the war
Thebes wanted to burn Plataea and reduce it to nothing. In around a hundred years later a certain Macedonian would do exactly the same to Thebes. What goes around comes around i guess.
I just went to Olympia(peloppones) yesterday. Impressive
King and General, i really hope you can cover a documentary series for ancient SE Asia kingdoms in the future. It had such rich and interesting history that people need to know more about.
Such as Khmer, Champa, Srivijaya, Dai Viet, Funan, Malacca Sultanate, Majapahit, Ayutthaya (Siam), Butuan Rajahnate etc.
Are you planning a series on punic wars
Yep
Sir which software used for vedios editing please reply me
Greatly disappointed by Pericles' posturing. You can't win a war without fighting. The plateans were extremely brave fighting alone for 2 years. Shame on the Athenians. Guess they deserved to lose the war.
We need more roman history again😢
Be patient. They won’t disappoint us
17:44 *338 BC, not 381 BC.
Hi sir which software used for vedios editing
Btw, Thucydides is pronounced "thoo·si·duh·deez" (with a soft "c" rather than a hard "c", as your narrator is doing it).
Hilarious how even back in 430 BCE how familiar each side is.
Sparta: Defender of the Free World (America and NATO)
Athens: Destroyer of the Oligarchy (Russia in Ukraine)
Ah yes, circumvallation. The master before their legends.
Why have you not told me about this battle earlier K&G? It has all of my favorite things.
Why wouldn’t Pericles even consider sending an army to fight the Spartans? Don’t tell me that the Spartans were better soldiers, because that just wasn’t the case. It was their reputation rather than their battle prowess. The Spartans lacked specialty infantry, or any solid cavalry. If Athens could have gotten Thebes, Argos and a couple of other powerful city states onto their side, they probably could have won the war. It was Pericles’ fault due to the over reliance on the Athenian fleet that he and so many others died of plague.
Sparta: Athenians are dirty imperialists! We HATE that!
Sparta after conquering Athens: So this imperialism thing aint so bad
Failing to even attempt a relief of an ally is a deathblow to an alliance. Credibility is everything in an alliance.
You forgot to mention that the initial Theban invasion was also thwarted by the weather being on Plataea's side. And there were also people blockading the streets in the dark and then women and slaves hurling rocks and tiles at them from above while they were trying to get out.
waiting for next episode for ottoman series...
waiting there with u bro.
Nooo noo a part of youre story is wright and correct ! the part of the wooden pallisade is just not tru and even possible . 2000 years ago 60 a 70 % of the land in greece where mountens and rocks , places on the greek lands for farming where minimum ! The greeks had no forrests to gain wood for a pallisade ! ! ! Even if they would have import the wood they would had needed lots of ships to bring it and even not the manpower to realise this . Doh arround this city there where only farmlands ...
Julius caesar be like : Filthy greeks !!! But I like what you did in platea 😏😏😏😏
This is insane 2 video about the same city !!! And also the fact that ceasar used the same tactics 350 years later is just crazy thanks kings and generals for these incredibly well done videos !!
Well I'll be darned, the Romans really did copy the Greeks' homework.
Please reply me 😊😊😊
This is something I must ask, on the map of the Vedio Argos was the nearest of all the athenean allies and why didn't the take it earlier ?
You know we want early roman history before the panic wars
And the panic wars too ?
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Man, the Plataeans got absolutely ganked in the back. Poor show Athens, don't ask your allies to draw a hard line if you aren't going ot back them to the hilt.
Part2 already! lets go!
That walled city is so familiar for some reason
Ahhh!!!, the conflict that made the Rise of Macedon possible
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thebes allied with the spartan against Athen , and revolt against them at the latter time? 🤔
the peloponesian war is what you get with rampant tribalism in a region.
5:43 "Ανδρών επιφανών πάσα γη τάφος" The whole earth is the tomb of famous men.
Potidea was not under siege by the lacaedemonians
Man, we got a sea battle and a siege? Yall are spoiling us 😁
The best thing to do at certain points in history when besieging a city... is don't kill anyone, just surround them. Maybe get fires & other destructive events to occur - such as praying for earthquakes, alongside holing up outside of the city & securing supply lines. Essentially destroy their food & shelter to whatever extent possible... and don't kill anyone, you're just going to force them to perform more sorties or have them happen earlier, which might provide you with the chance to kill such a number of them that you then can storm the city.
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Error : Philip of Macedon couldn’t have beaten the Thebans in 381BCE since he was born in 382BCE
It's remarkable how much of history can be boiled down to:
Army 1: We have spent generations mastering the art of war. Our warriors are the finest in the world.
Army 2: Lol, walls.
This war was the beggining of the end for the powerfull Greek city states of Athens and Sparta. The end of the war found both cities exchausted and unable to resist to Thebes and latter to Macedon. Lack of Panhellenic vision condamned the Greeks forced to unite latter on by Phillip of Macedon..Such a pity.
After this series, i hope you could release the war of italian unification for non-membership/free users
"Here on this wretched patch of earth called Platea: Xerxes hordes, face, Obliteration!!!!!!!"
+ Helios
2 years. 2 years Athens just sat back and watched. Did they even bother to try to train a better army or force the siege to be lifted? Seems like Athens 'deserved' to lose
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Love this series
I listened to an audiobook of Thucydides "Peloponnesian War" and was honestly bored through the majority of it. Thanks for covering this in a more entertaining way.
Twist and turns coming up.
Αthens for ever. Ιn Greek - Αθήνα για πάντα...
Excellent lecture, I'm fired up and looking forward to more..........
Thank you!
thoses AC Odyssey vibe's 🥶
Oh my god thank you kings for covering more Ancient Greece ❤️👍
Stupid Atheans and Thebes would have their Karma too.