DIY Ford 351W“Lightning” EFI Intake

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  • @cecil6711
    @cecil6711 2 роки тому +4

    Sheer genius!!!
    I love how you take a practical approach to making things work and then figuring out how to make it happen.
    I am following your jar IRS into a classic mustang on my 67 coupe.
    When will you have the next installment of it on your website and or youtube?
    Thanks again for all of the excellent ideas.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      Not sure when the next update will be available. There is just not enough hours in the "Day" 😂 😂 as far as taking a practical approach I am a natural problem solver and have never been afraid to try and modify something. As long as it's not a safety issue, worst case scenario I fail big deal. Even if I fail I learn something that makes the next project go better.

  • @carportshenanigans5918
    @carportshenanigans5918 2 роки тому +1

    I ran the BC Broncos adapter like 15yrs ago with a ported lower AND adapter, the car made great torque, but feel on its face by 3800rpm. Shifting in 5th at the 1000ft mark is no bueno. I cut open an HO upper, ported it heavily and shortened the runners by 2.5-3” and afterwards, power would fall off the cliff at 4400-4500. It definitely choked the hell out of it… but it is the cheapest way to make it all work, for sure.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      Fantastic information, thanks far sharing your real world experience!! How was the rest of the engine built? lot of lift in the cam, stock or aftermarket heads? The reason I am asking is to try and get a more complete picture. I would think the cam specs would have the biggest impact and if it was a mild cam the effects would be less noticeable at higher RPM... Of course a mild cam is not what you would be using for a higher RPM application. Anyway I love the feedback and would appreciate any more info on the rest of the engine build.

    • @carportshenanigans5918
      @carportshenanigans5918 2 роки тому

      It was a mild build, I chose a cam to be SD friendly(dumb idea, did MAF swap two weeks later) Crane grind with 208/216*@0.050 if I remember correctly. Shorty headers, 2.5” dual exhaust. GT40 iron heads(cobra/early explorer style) with some bowl work. 1.7 Crane roller rockers.
      Everytime I made any change to the intake side, I got noticeable improvements. The upper intake mod was the biggest. Before that, I did a 72mm MAF sensor upgrade and gained a couple hundred usable RPM. I suspect that a larger TB would’ve shown good gains also. The worst thing I ever did to that combination was change from 2.73 to 3.73 gears. If I had it to do all over again, I’d sent the whole intake over to BigDogs porting and let them work their magic and go with a cam that had a little more duration and less LSA.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  7 місяців тому

      👍

  • @MrBlitzkrieg1987
    @MrBlitzkrieg1987 Рік тому +1

    The thought crossed my mind today and I was wondering if it was possible… and here you are 😮

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому +1

      There are some flow restrictions if some major porting is not done. I built it for my stock 351W but now that my build is anything but stock I am going a different direction.

    • @MrBlitzkrieg1987
      @MrBlitzkrieg1987 Рік тому

      @@dazecarsit’s still a really cool and ingenious way to do it! But I see how it would mostly work on a stock 351w. Do you think that the restriction is in the upper or in the lower intake?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому

      @@MrBlitzkrieg1987 It is in both. The lower has very small ports but those ports can be opened up for massive flow improvements. The Upper also has a lot of restriction and is less portable.

    • @MrBlitzkrieg1987
      @MrBlitzkrieg1987 Рік тому

      @@dazecarsoh ok! Well you got yourself a new fan, just subscribed to your channel. Thanks for taking your time replying 💪

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому +1

      @@MrBlitzkrieg1987 Thanks for subscribing! You should check out my latest hare brained EFI video. It's part of my 393W build series. ua-cam.com/video/_qZksA3xAAU/v-deo.html

  • @willingmrkay
    @willingmrkay 2 роки тому +1

    I've been debating on doing this exact thing! thank you for sharing

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      Glad I could help, let me know if you need any more info or if I can do anything to help.

  • @craigtalbot6930
    @craigtalbot6930 2 роки тому +4

    That's basically a DIY version of the adapter BC Broncos makes. Considering what you paid for the aluminum, their price is very reasonable.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +3

      You are correct. If you add shipping to the price of theirs, subtract what I paid for aluminum, and divide by the hours I had in the project I was earning about $4 an hour 😂😁🤣. The one advantage in my case is mine is 3/4” and I think theirs is just over 1” thick so I gained 1/4” hood clearance.

    • @craigtalbot6930
      @craigtalbot6930 2 роки тому

      @@dazecars Did you end up with the truck manifold/adapter and 302 car intake being the same height as a car 302 lower + upper manifold? I'm looking to do the same thing in a Lincoln Mark VI, and hood clearance is important.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      @@craigtalbot6930 no it is 1/4" shorter so I gained 1/4" extra hood clearance

    • @phuckphossilphuelprices2154
      @phuckphossilphuelprices2154 2 роки тому

      @@craigtalbot6930
      Craig..Your the 1st person on UA-cam mentioning fabbing a Mark VI setup. Before I watched this Vid, (Right about when I was going nutty from Covid LockDown) I started the same project. I already had everything at the house to do it, Just had to fab up the adapter. If you have any questions, fell free to ask. What I ended up doing after It was all said and done, was pulling the setup out of the Lincoln, and we should be finished tonight shoving it in my 54 Hudson, after I ended up converting it to a Liquid Cooled Intake Setup 😉. My buddy builds R32's, and I was at his house when a Liq Cooled Manifold showed up 1 day.(I think he paid $4k for it) When he pulled it out of the box, It looked almost identical to the Cobra setup, so I had to try it.

    • @carlosccc11
      @carlosccc11 Рік тому

      Have you tried on the dyno? See the difference between OEM 351w and the combo?

  • @gzoman5
    @gzoman5 4 місяці тому

    BC Broncos makes an adapter for this purpose. ( PN 11-82010 ). What sucks is that the volume of air that upper intake can flow probably won't support even 300hp. What I have done with Explorer intakes is cut them in half, removed as much material as I could, and then welded them back together. A viable option on an HO intake bolted to a 351.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  4 місяці тому

      I agree this 5.0/5.8 hybrid is not an option for a high performance high revving engine but your solution would make it a lot better. Once I decided to make the 351w a 393w I had to go a whole different direction for EFI but I will still be using the truck lower AFTER the runners get opened up a lot. Here is the entire playlist on that project.
      ua-cam.com/play/PLg4j6XzBdSY_8M8btBCEyTLtsPzn6KpAv.html

  • @brettcotton3927
    @brettcotton3927 2 роки тому +4

    Just buy a EFI aftermarket intake for a 351 Windsor.Its gonna look better,flow better & gain better airflow.Plus save a bunch of time,money & frustration fabbing a adapter.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +7

      I concede it will flow better BUT only at higher RPMs. Looks are subjective, I think the results at the end of my video show a fantastic looking setup. As to the cost it will not save a bunch of money, not eve close The most inexpensive aftermarket 351W EFI is $850 I paid less than $75 for the piece of aluminum and making it was for the fun of it so no "frustration of fabbing" 😁

  • @michaelrandell4021
    @michaelrandell4021 Рік тому

    You should have used the thicker piece of Aluminum plate to get more air flow. you can still use a phenolic spacer on the 5.8 side this
    will reduce heat transfer, plus you get more air volume. That's what I used on my '93 Lighting. Good for about 11-17 hp. They do make the phenolic spacer in different thickness 3/8" , 1/2", and 1" depending on hood clearance. Got mine thru Racer Walsh, in Jacksonville, Fla. Also you could do a intake port match like doing cylinder heads and increase volume and make your own gasket. I had Extrude Hone do my GT 40 intake. Hope this helps.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому

      You are correct and I thought about making it thicker for just that reason, BUT this is going in a 62 Galaxie and there are hood clearance issues. I made it out of 3/4" because I didn't have room for anything thicker. At the time I was going to run it with a used 351W where everything but the heads were stock and the max RPMs was in the 4500-5000 range. I was not worried about the flow given the RPMs and stock components. Now I have switched directions and am doing a complete rebuild and stroking it to a 393. Because of that this setup will not work at all due to the flow restrictions of the 5.0 upper so I am going a different direction. Thanks for the comment.

  • @nedaCFilms
    @nedaCFilms 2 роки тому

    Well done, this is the epitome of American Hotrodding.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      High praise, thank you!! I love modifying things to work in ways other than originally intended!!

  • @Glens1965
    @Glens1965 2 роки тому +1

    Clever as usual.

  • @crgintx
    @crgintx Рік тому

    Nice job. I would have gone with a 351W 4v dual plane intake like the Edelbrock Performer and one of the 4v TBI setup under 14" open element air cleaner to give it a period correct look. Get a stroker crank and some FloTek heads painted Ford blue with even a small cam and you'll be pushing FE torque numbers with a lot less weight. I hope you did the Front disc brake conversion!

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому

      I ended up changing direction with this project. The engine IS getting stroked to 393 and I knew the 5.0 upper would not have enough flow. So I will likely go dual intake with sniper EFI. I am using Flotek thumper heads but not painting them, this car is clearly restomod and not a sleeper. I am doing an entire series on this build ua-cam.com/play/PLg4j6XzBdSY-cFPsA6IO5zdezSbCxgjCW.html The car is 4-wheel disc brakes with hydroboost power assist. It stops on a dime and gives $.09 change.

  • @bernisrogerson9224
    @bernisrogerson9224 18 днів тому

    Awesomely done. Only you can tell Us. I'd love to have one of these amazing adapters.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  18 днів тому

      Thanks! , I am hoping to to get it running on the engine run stand with a 351W but my life has been a little upside down the last 6 months and I have not been able to mess with it.

  • @watupchief5889
    @watupchief5889 2 роки тому

    Damn that’s fuckin badass awesome work!!!

  • @eduardollamasmontes7312
    @eduardollamasmontes7312 2 роки тому

    you should make an Ls intake for the 351,holley allready have one but try whit an LS THANKS

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      bigger project than I have time for 😁

  • @Dalleco
    @Dalleco 10 місяців тому

    I don't understand why guys aren't port matching truck 5.0HO upper to 5.8 Truck lower GT40 heads explorer injectors 460 throttle body 90's Mustang GT PCM/ECU .444 stock camshaft or a number camshaft but I'm trying to use all factory stock parts should be spicy not looking for a hot rod but should be interesting.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  10 місяців тому

      I have seen info on that. It is a good power option but it has some of the same hood clearance issues as the 5.8 upper. Great option if the engine is going in a truck, not as good for other vehicles. Looks like your engine combo will be a good one!! probably about a good as you can get without aftermarket parts.

  • @foxbodyaddicts
    @foxbodyaddicts 2 роки тому

    I am really thinking this might be the best budget friendly option for my swap. I currently have a 302 with a turbo and am building a 351 to replace it.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      The biggest issue with this mod is flow, but if you are running a Turbo that becomes way less of a concern

  • @fordguy8613
    @fordguy8613 Рік тому

    They make carbide burrs specifically for aluminum that work much better than the one in the video.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому

      Thanks for the tip, however I can't imagine anything working better than what I was using as long as I dipped it in ATF. I am sure the biggest difference in the aluminum specific one is helping eliminate the teeth clogging up with aluminum but once I started using the ATF that became a non issue.

  • @SP-zg6lb
    @SP-zg6lb 6 місяців тому

    Are you able to face the upper intake towards the passenger side like the stock 5.0s have them ?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  6 місяців тому +1

      yes the upper can be faced either direction

    • @SP-zg6lb
      @SP-zg6lb 6 місяців тому

      @@dazecars thank you!

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  6 місяців тому

      My pleasure

  • @Metalcop5150
    @Metalcop5150 2 роки тому +1

    There is a better option than this!! One that I have been working on for some time. The Holley Systemax (Saleen/Vortech) upper intake manifold will bolt right up to the 351 lower intake. Obviously the ports are shaped differently, but with some creative 'porting' you can get them to reasonably match up. Combined with a phenolic spacer and *Bam* you've got a 351 lower intake with a Fox body upper intake that will fit under your hood, and presumably flow waaaay better than the (crappy) OE Fox upper.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +4

      "better" is the not the word I would use. "higher performance" sure but at almost $900 compared to the $75 I spent on my project it is not budget friendly. Not to mention the fact that a complete EFI intake can be had for around $1000 so that that point why not spend the extra money for something that will work way better. The entire purpose of this project was to make parts a person likely already has or can get cheaply work together. Will the solution in my video be a high revving horse power maxing setup, absolutely not but for a stock 351 in a daily driver it could perform very well.

    • @Metalcop5150
      @Metalcop5150 2 роки тому

      @@dazecars Sure, when I said 'better' I definitely meant better performing. But also, the Holley Systemax will bolt right up to the 351 lower without the need for the adapter plate. As far as budget, you can pick up a decent used Systemax upper intake for $3-$400. I actually did this so that I could run my Saleen/Vortech upper intake on a 351 engine. So, in my humble opinion, the Systemax etc. is a much better performing, easier modification, for just a couple of hundred dollars more.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      @@Metalcop5150 There are no used ones currently available on eBay and new ones are in the $800-$900 range so where are you getting one for half that?

    • @phide01
      @phide01 2 роки тому +2

      You can get cast iron 351 GT40 lower from marine blocks used on boat for $100

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  7 місяців тому +1

      good to know

  • @jblspeakersandmore277
    @jblspeakersandmore277 4 місяці тому

    I seen come people will add a 1 inch spacer to the intake and make more power off it so it might be opposite

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  4 місяці тому

      Oh I’m sure. I originally did it on a stick ish truck 351w. And it probably would have been okay but the moment I went to a 393w i had to create my Frankenstein EFI to have better air flow.

  • @moongava5823
    @moongava5823 2 роки тому

    Have your driven this yet? I love the build it's amazing you did this
    If you have driven it yet how does it all feel?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      only on the engine run stand. Worked well there. problem is I acquired another 351W and decided to do a full rebuild. At that point a 393 stroker was the obvious choice so I do not think I will me using my 5.0 upper setup for the car because it probably will not flow well enough for the 393.

    • @moongava5823
      @moongava5823 2 роки тому

      @@dazecars ah dang thats still awesome, i wonder if a trickflow 302 upper would work any better? Since you already have the adaptor ?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      @@moongava5823 There in is the question. I did this project because I had the truck lower, the 5.0 upper and the aluminum was not that expensive. If I were to start throwing money at it to "make it perform better" I would rapidly approach a place where an entirely different setup would perform better for about the same or not much more money.

    • @moongava5823
      @moongava5823 2 роки тому

      @@dazecars that's true, I have the 302 upper and 351 lower I'm getting ready to use a 1" plate because I have the clearance for it, and hopefully with the turbo I plan on using it won't die at 4k rpm 😂

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      @@moongava5823 I would think that with a Turbo a lot of the flow restrictions will be minimized. Not eliminated but at least reduced.

  • @jamiephillips3824
    @jamiephillips3824 Рік тому

    Trick flow 351!!

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому

      Their 4 barrel EFI intake is not the best choice for my application, it's too tall, and open plenum. Their "lightening" type is over $2500 and this is a budget build. if I wanted to throw money at it I would get a lightening intake from eBay.

  • @pete1003
    @pete1003 2 роки тому +1

    I need one? Can you make me one? And how much?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      Long answer, when I made mine it was $65 in aluminum and 20+ hours of work. Short answer not selling them.

    • @pete1003
      @pete1003 Рік тому

      @@dazecars that's a shame cuz you could probably make good money selling them these days

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому

      @@pete1003 If by "good money" you mean less than minimum wage, then yes, yes I could 😂 If I bought full sticks of aluminum I would save a little, lets say my cost $40 per adapter and then if I sold them for $200 each thats $160 profit... for 20 hours work... so $8 an hour. I can make 2.5 times that at Walmart. To make one for my own use was fun, to make a whole pile of them to sell would not be. Other then time they are not hard to make. That is why I put it here. Those that really want one can make their own.

  • @tunesquad7744
    @tunesquad7744 4 місяці тому

    Is that what’s sane as you made in the video copy and past this /// Plenum 1” Billet Spacer VIN: H, HO 1988-1997 F-350, F-250 Fits Felpro MS 94176

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  4 місяці тому

      looks to be very similar

  • @Ares-jx4ep
    @Ares-jx4ep 2 роки тому +2

    So you did a lot of work to adapt the worst upper to the worst lower........

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      I never said this was a high performance option. I was after an afordable DIY EFI setup for a 351W

  • @TropicBreezeRealty
    @TropicBreezeRealty 2 роки тому

    what Intake Tubing was used?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      I used the HO upper

    • @TropicBreezeRealty
      @TropicBreezeRealty 2 роки тому

      @@dazecars The tubing that attaches to the throttle body and air box?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      @@TropicBreezeRealty I am sorry but I don't know what tubing you are talking about. The throttle body bolts directly up to the 5.0 upper with no other tubes.

  • @johnsmida2626
    @johnsmida2626 2 роки тому +1

    I have one.. I think bronco graveyard made them..

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      BC broncos has them

  • @phide01
    @phide01 2 роки тому

    That upper intake will be restrictive on a 351

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      agreed, probably fine for a stock build but nothing I would use on a performance build

  • @91gtsaul11
    @91gtsaul11 2 роки тому

    Can u make me one ?

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      Contact me through my website.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому

      I never heard from you, are you no longer interested?

  • @arturo5819
    @arturo5819 2 роки тому

    Just port your upper some for better flow

  • @matthewmerkey9
    @matthewmerkey9 Рік тому

    Can you make me one

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  Рік тому

      No. The cost of the materials along with the amount of hours required to make one there is no money to be made. I believe BC broncos sells something similar.

    • @matthewmerkey9
      @matthewmerkey9 Рік тому

      @@dazecars yes thank for getting back to me. I just found that out last night after reading all the comments thanks for the video it really helped alot

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  7 місяців тому

      👍

  • @tjs_welding_and_fabrication
    @tjs_welding_and_fabrication 2 роки тому

    Man you need a mill. Cool project though.

    • @dazecars
      @dazecars  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks, at the time I had a mill lathe combo but didn’t use the mill much. Now that I converted the mill head into a stand alone adjustable column mill, I have it for future projects.