The problem with the Chevy SS was this.. no advertising.. us Chevy V8 manual ppl didn’t even know these existed until after they were cancelled. So nobody bought them new simply because nobody knew they existed
GM only offered it in the US at all because it was part of a deal they signed with the Australian government so they could steal a quarter of a billion dollars off Aussie taxpayers. They had no interest in it beyond the free money they could get.
Bought a Honda Fit new in 09. GREAT car. Gave it to my son at 150K. At 250K half shafts snapped. Honda replaced free as they said they were defective!! Has 330K on it now. Bought a 10 CUBE, decent car, Nissan service SUCKED, gave it to my daughter, she traded it.
In the case of the Chevy SS, the reason why no one bought it isn't because it was too expensive, it was MSRPd at the same as a camaro SS RS, its because you could chop off both your hands and still be able to count all the comercials and adds chevy made for the Chevy SS. How many people here told their friends about the SS when it was still new and got a response around the likes of "I dont really like the camaro tbh" or "eh I dont want a camaro" or "I guess the camaro is cool what about it?" No one outside of car enthusiasts knew the SS existed and cars are not successful by enthusiasts they are successful by normal people buying a car they know exist
Actually, for what you got it was a bargain. The reason no one bought one is because you couldn't get one very easily. Order books were open for about 10 minutes; after that, Chevy made just enough and brought them over (like the G8 before it) to get their tax break from Australia and honor the deal it cut to get the break. Added to the tiny amount of advertising and it's amazing any were sold at all.
A better name might have helped with Advertising as well. Nothing against “Super Sport” but by itself it’s generic, and I associate that with a Chevy option package. Since “Impala” was already taken at the time I think “Chevelle” might have worked, though I realize that logic didn’t translate to sales with the mid-2000’s GTO. Still, yes, more advertising would have helped.
@@JackBeckman Yup, you are spot on, it was lip service to the agreement they signed with Canberra idiot politicians so they could steal a quarter of a billion from Aussie taxpayers.
The Fiero. Use the new Corvette platform, or one of their test beds. Make it a 300 hp 4 cylinder. 3/5 of a Vette for 1/2 the price. It could be done. Just call it the Buick Pegasus.
The kittens are so cute. Thanks for sharing them. I do like all the older cars, except the interiors, like the steering wheels. Tyler you had a great idea on the new version of the super bee. Massive horse power, modern interior, lower wing. April and you should design it. 😼 I see a third UA-cam channel called Tyler and April build a modern Super Bee.
Wagons are sport utility vehicles that drive like a car not like a truck. My MB E450 All Terrain has the storage of SUV truck, handles fantastic and Car and Driver clocked it at 4.4 zero to 60. Smart people like your friend Doug know that wagons are the way to go.
It was only brought to the US as part of an agreement to get some free money from Australian tax payers - GM did the absolute minimum they had to do to get the quarter billion dollars the stupid Aussie politicians offered them, and then closed down production and stole the money.
maybe its.also a generational backslash? Station wagons were for the old and now it's SUVs? Which are now only old people driving and wagons will be coming back because it's sporty, younger and hipp?
@@richardmorris7063 which is true. - they now get so much more value for super cars though - its such a niche market. The enthusiast market is very limited. The main market by far is commuting - one car for the family as an appliance. The supercar is at the wall of the son´s room only.
@@douglash9364The 80s, 90s, 2k, 2010s and eve the 2020s have wagons with that feature...all in markets outside the US...except from Mercedes if I remember right you can still get it on their Outback-ified E class wagons
Tyler. I like your idea's and I wish that the big car companies would listen to you. You represent the new generation of buyers but have a very good understanding of Automotive history. You should be on a board for new cars. The problem now is the mix and matching of platforms to conserve costs on overall R&D. Like the Supra/BMW or the URUS/AUDI and so on.
Enthusiasts love sporty wagons because it’s a great one car option. Problem is, the people that can afford high end wagons, can also afford a dedicated sports car AND family hauler
Thiss!! The people who want sports wagons are the used car buyers who only buy massively depreciated cars. At new, the people who can afford them buy multiple cars.
Agreed! I’m still disappointed that Lexus sold so few IS300 Sportcrosses. I know they weren’t the most powerful or luxurious wagons but they were a lot of fun, dependable and practical. I really hate that Lexus didn’t even try to make a AMG wagon competitor.
The Chevy SS was based of the Australian Holden Commodore!!! Honestly wish they would bring them back! None of the new cars feel as big and luxurious for a lower price!
As a current Lexus GS owner and longtime admirer, I 💯% agree they NEED to bring it back!! Saying the LC500 has a backseat (🤣) suitable to replace a midsized sedan is some "smooth-brained stuff" in itself, Tyler. 🤔😂
Amen! Unless you’re really into yoga, you’re not gonna get into that backseat without some serious effort. And once you’re there, you’re not gonna be very comfortable unless you’re a small child. Even small, slim adults don’t really fit in comfortably and anyone with mobility issues regardless of age is probably not going to attempt to get into the backseat of a LC500.
I prefer cars over SUV's. I really like small pickups. The biggest problem today is price. A basic car should be 30 - 40k. Until the auto makers learn how to go back to basic transportation at a decent price we will all suffer.
Cars haven’t really changed in price in over 50 years. Price went up nominally because half a century of inflation, but not in real terms. I have a 1971 mustang that my dad bought new in 1971 before Nixon got us off gold. It costed him 3,319 USD, or he explained roughly 2 years wages if you were at the bottom of the income spectrum. If I look up a new modern one, same trim and everything and what do you know roughly 2 years wages for minimum wage in my state.
I bought a Chevy Sonic, a smaller version of the Cruze, without a turbo (thankfully) and I found it to be a very good highway vehicle. A little small, but the cruise control held the same speed up and down hill, the seating was comfortable, the ride was smooth, and the fuel economy was great. I sold it to my stepdaughter and still miss it a little when I see it.
Lamborghini Urus is a fail??? It accounts for more than half the sales and insures that we can keep having Revueltos and the new Huracán!!! Come on April!!!!
The pulsar was a great idea! 2 door coupe, 2 door wagon, 2 door t-top and without the hatch, some kind of convertible! I really want that, even now! modularity was a great idea! I would buy one!
@@Friscorockhead It has and when I talk to people about it they don't get it and I realized that it's because I'm old and remember reasonably sized trucks. I think the last reasonably sized truck was probably a Toyota T-100 long bed. Since then the beds have been getting taller and taller and the last several years the noses have been getting taller and taller too. They are now seriously endangering people they are so large, as well as losing some of their utility. Can you tell that this irritates me :)
@Scoots1994 that must have been a thrill to see them that early in their career! I was a little too young to catch a show with Cliff Burton, sadly. And yes, I completely agree. You have to ask yourself where it ends with the ever increasing size of pickups. I've owned a lot of pickups, and I think my favorite one was the 1998 Chevy 1500 Z71. It had modern driveabily with the feel of the older size proportions. My 1994 Ford Ranger 4x4 was also a fantastic truck.
@@Friscorockhead The late 90s Ford truck interiors really went downhill. Dodge has been terrible for a LOT longer :) I think the early 2000s were the last real usable trucks, but they were already getting fairly bloated. I saw a bunch of great bands back then. I saw Motorhead in the UC student union in the 80s too (to this day the loudest show I've been to). My teenage daughter has done the same going regularly to shows at little clubs for $15ish tickets then the next time through town the tickets are over $100. She has passed me for music passion :)
@@pjmcilwaine My wife drives a 18 year old Volvo that she loves too :) That said, the old 240 wagon is not the easiest fit for a 6'4" person to drive. But I do love them.
I don't think most people care if electric or not. My brother just got a Buick Envista and his coworkers thought it was electric because of the fastback design. I think most people just want affordable vehicles. I think the 2nd gen Cruze and Volt were fantastic, particularly the Cruze Diesel. I would rather have the Cruze and Impala over the Malibu.
I've owned both a Magnum and a Chevy SS. I still regret trading the Magnum in. I loved that car. The SS had a 6-speed manual and I loved driving it, except in traffic. But I got old and creaky and my coordination was getting so bad I couldn't make a smooth shift. I traded it in on a Camry. If my SS had an automatic I'd probably still own it. Two reasons the SS didn't sell better (in my opinion): First, the car was built in Australia and had to be shipped to the US. I imagine that was a logistical problem for GM. Second, as far as i can tell it wasn't advertised. I found out about it car mags. I want wagons to make a comeback, especially sport wagons. And build them with dual clutch transmissions and don't just put flappy paddles in to run a slush box. But i've probably bought my last car so it won't matter to me.
A small inexpensive pickup truck has proved to sell with the Maverick. Plenty of room in the market for another one. As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
I'd love to see the car manufacturers bring back the Pontiac Solstice, or the Saturn Sky, they were cool Sportscars, but they'd have to have a manual transmission! I plan on adding them to my classic car collection!
Re. wagons-- IMO, modern CUVs have come (nearly) full circle, and are now just slightly tall wagons. A 1996 Ford Taurus Wagon had 5.5" ground clearance. A 2024 Chevy Equinox gets 7.6. That's a difference of 2". Roof height, the equinox is 7" taller. Factoring in the 2" lift, 5" taller. So, in terms of height, a new Equinox is the equivalent of 1996 Taurus Wagon with a 2" lift and an extra 5" of headroom.
I agree with the small/mini affordable truck/suv that is body on frame. Toyota needs to bring back the XB/BB. Which could be the same body on frame as this small truck and to compete with the Honda Element(if they listen and bring it back). All though it is a niche vehicle, the Nissan Bluebird. VW needs to bring back the Corrado. Not just the name plate, like they did with the Scirroco overseas.
Bringing back the Grand National on a Holden platform could be do-able. The S2000as an electric wouldn't sell. The thing that made them so fun was the handling combined with the astronomical redline.
The most agreeable and sensible choice would be the Mitsubishi Mighty Max. A small, affordable, fuel efficient compact truck to give the Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz a run for their money. Not only that, it would give Mitsubishi and opportunity to redeem themselves. The last attempt was the Raider which was just a rebadged Dodge Dakota. This time, it would have to be something all-new. The key is to keep it small and affordable, don't make it bloated and too expensive. But I don't see it happening anytime soon.
I feel like if auto manufacturers sponsored manual transmission training courses at dealerships, they could sell a lot more manual transmission cars because there seems to be many people who want to learn and it would be a great way to bring people onto dealership lots. Also, I believe the cars would be cheaper to produce, which means higher profit margins for auto manufacturers, and typically they can be cheaper to maintain which would be a win for consumers.
I agree about the Dodge Magnum. I'd just make a Charger wagon and name it Charger Magnum. Corvette should be a sub brand at Chevrolet. The mid engine at the top called Corvette Zora A front engine version could be the Corvette Stingray. Then add a smaller version similar to the Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky with 4 cylinder turbo power. Maybe called the Corvette Solstice. No SUVs should be in the sub brand.
I daily a 2014 Jetta Sportwagen TDI manual. When I'm at car shows with the fun cars I talk with people that love that I daily a manual diesel wagon but I don't think that many of them would actually spend the money even if that car was available new. I love mine and only have 150k miles so I'll be driving this one for years to come!!
Loved my Magnum R/T AWD, it was unstoppable in snow and was overall a good car. I put almost 200k miles on it and it gave me very little trouble. Great car.
Here's a revival concept I would consider my perfect car. I've had three MB 300 TDs and loved them very much but were painfully slow. I also had a MB 300 SEL 6.3 the Corvette killer, which I loved even more. But I quickly realized I couldn't afford to own the 6.3. My dream revival would be the Mercedes 300 TD platform W123 mated with about 350 hp of electric motors. Perfect daily driver for me.
I agree 100% with the Mighty Max, or the Mazda B2000. Basic truck, manual trans, no frills, sub 20K, they'd sell out. I remember Mazda did a version of the B2000 with a bed cap, manual trans, for $5,995.00. It was awesome!
Just over fifty years ago Ford DID make a luxury prototype of their full-size wagon with a curved sofa seat in the mid to rear section - April is reviving a fun concept!
Bring back the Magnum, and wagons in general. There are so many beautiful wagons in Europe, and they usually make more sense than a thirsty SUV. They’re also more fun to drive, and they fit in the garage.
Hoovie ,I like the way you think w/ a halo car. I want something to knock my socks off,something I have to have & I don't see it not for a reasonable price(under 60k)
The wing was not useless. It was so high because anything lower was useless on this long tall car. I remember seeing the winged birds lined up at a dealer lot outside of Detroit back in the day when I was barely out of diapers.
Here's a radical idea: an inexpensive 2 door midsize pickup with power steering, a/c, crank windows, manual locks, & a cargo bed that actually can carry cargo. (I know, I'm in Dreamworld.)
Interestingly, in the UK, VW have just announced the launch of a new Passat, which is ONLY available as a wagon. It’s not called the Passat Estate, but just ‘Passat’ as it’s the only option available.
Bring back the Oldsmobile 442 as a Chevy 444, with a small V6 up front and a giant electric motor and battery in the trunk, to give it all-wheel-drive. The V6 should have an electric supercharger option to make it a weekend drag monster.
I'd say put the del Sol back into production over the S2000. I drove an S2000 and the steering wheel practically lived in my lap. Very uncomfortable car to be in even tho I'm pretty sure it's larger than the del Sol. The del Sol is a great top down cruiser and has pretty decent handling too.
You can bring back any car now in a EV format. You have a base, you can have small coach builders put bodies on top of them. Just like back in the 20''s and 30's. For that matter you can up cycle from the boneyards.
They could (should) make a basic new front engine corvette architecture that could accommodate bodies inspired by each generation of corvette. Brand new restomods built to order.
I like my Honda Fit! It's small and easy to park in the city. I like that the back seats can fold up or down so, even though it's small, it is surprisingly flexible about what you can put in it. Is it sporty? No. But an affordable, A-to-B vehicle that can move people and stuff? Yes!
I had a 2nd gen fit, it was a great car. It had solid fuel economy, drove nicely and I fit a 60" TV in the back without having to take it out of the box. April might not like how the last gen looked but it was no where near "terrible".
Same with him disagreeing about the Lexus GS - the GS was a competitor to the likes of the BMW 5 series and Audi A5 - a mid range luxury sports sedan for the family man. I have a GS460 - it's a worthy competitor to the BMW 5 series V8's, only without a hopelessly unreliable engine, generally far better built, and far better equipped as standard. I have this because I also have kids I have to move around, and don't have the luxury of being able to have more than 2 cars. It's sad that the GS series is gone - but they axed it because everyone wants f**k*ng SUV's now.
For a new GNX, take the Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing platform, make it a coupe, and have it be the new Buick halo car. It already has the start of the boxy shape, just go all in
I'd love you to rate contemporary Latin American cars, like the Renault Duster, Fiat Strada, Chevrolet Montana, Dodge Dakota, Jeep Commander, Citroén C3 Aircross, Volkswagen Nivus, Toyota Yaris, Chinese cars, and whatever gets a Dodge badge in Mexico.
The vf commodore was only rare in the us becsuse gm wanted it to fail making it easier to kill off holden 😂 over here it sold like crack in the hood because we also got a terrible v6 alloytec version 😂😂
I'm not sure I love the generic car videos. Jalopnik, survey stuff etc .. but I understand you are both car people living in a car world/audience. But I think you dont quite understand how entertaining you are together. Really. Branch out. Who can make the best breakfast? Who can drive in reverse through a course? Who can describe how to milk a cow without looking it up? You met, you fell in love, and you live in this amazing mixed world of rural roots, city cool, cars, farms, travel, honesty & bullshit. You could knock this channel out of the park. And kittens ...
I liked the looks of the convertible Eclipse. I knew someone who had one that they said was a maintenance nightmare. I don't know if that was the norm. Nice looking car, though!
Had a 2018 Honda Fit. Worse car I ever owned. Very unreliable. Leaked water from the doors, oil leaks, motor mount failures, quality craftsmanship. Don't get a Honda. And don't buy a "cheap" car. Only way a wagon is coming back is with the Subaru Outback formula and it's the best selling wagon on the planet thanks to the US. The European brands bring lifted wagons here but they don't do nearly enough and they are expensive. Wagons sat right next to sedans and SUVs for a bit and nobody wanted a wagon. Gotta face the fact people find them ugly. Once saw a Murano CrossCabriolet and a old Saab wagon and asked my friends what they thought. They said the Murano was much prettier and the Saab looked like a flip flop. My parents also dislike Wagons even new sporty ones I show them. It is what it is. I think a lifted wagon variation of the Corolla, Camry, Civic, and Accord are the only true paths for a new wagon to succeed here. Drove the last gen Cruze. It was terrible. The interior was so god awful. The plastics were falling apart worse than any other car I've seen. And it wasn't ten years old. The car was so low it couldn't get into the driveway without damaging the bumper. It was cramped and uncomfortable like most sedans. Just didn't do anything right. Don't understand large American sedans. If you want a sedans body style at least make it sporty like most sedans do now. If you want a LARGE sedan key word on large you want comfort and luxury. A SUV or CUV or even a wagon does a much better job than a sedans body could ever hope too. These cars would be hitting almost 40 maybe 50k asking prices. For that money people aren't going to find any justification for such a large yet impractical car. Its a waste of space and proportions. If your going to go that big at least make it a box on wheels for practicality. You even can get a third row. The Element, K5 Blazer, and a small Mitsubishi truck honestly has the best case for them to be brought back.
@@aussie2uGAI hope you don't have issues. Just saying my experience. I would take the door panals off and look around. The craftsmanship is BAD. The car just dosent give a since of long term quality. I can't see it making it till 2030 or 150k miles. I can't wait for the thing to leave my driveway. On paper it's cool. I like a lot about it. But the problems just make me want to get rid of it. I hoped being a 2018 any production issues would uave been solved. But nope. Good luck on yours. I do hear a lot about the cold start noises. I'm fairly certain it's said it's not a issue? Like no long term serious issues. But expensive to try and actually fix.
@@baronvonjo1929 Thanks, dealer says to ignore the cold start noise, they have plenty of six digit mileage Hondas with that same engine doing it without issue. I'll cross my fingers.
@@drunkenhobo8020 Mexico. I do believe that plays a factor. But it still falls on the executives in Japan to make a good quality car. And to be fair Honda Fits made in Japan have their known issues. The water leak issue has been a issue on every single generation Fit except maybe the current Fit/Jazz still sold overseas. They had 20 years to fix these water leaks and are so incompetent they couldn't do it. Speaks volumes about Hondas poor engineering
You got close with the Nissan Cube, but the square car with the difference was the Honda Element. Between the clamshell rear doors and the totally flat floor the Element had what all the others were missing. They built enough between ‘04 and 2011 that there’s still a few around, but a 2024 with current Honda gas power and drivetrain sophistication……bring it back, give it a try.
Funny, if I was shopping for a car in it's price range, the Stinger would have been high on the list if it had a manual. Making a car that's supposed to appeal to the people that grew up with 90s/2000s car scene but grew up and want something with more practicality and a bit high end and then not offering it with the correct number of pedals really ruined that thing.
How about bringing out a roadrunner that has a 5.7 hemi with 460 horsepower and manual that has a base price of 27 grand. Or an F150 with a supercab for 30 grand. Affordable vehicles sell.
RE The Honda Element.I worked for Honda when it launched. They spent millions on focus groups etc. to design the perfect vehicle for younger people. When it launched the biggest audience for it was the over 60 crowd. That still to this day this is a reminder to me that you can't know everything. And it makes me laugh!!
Same thing happened with the Scion Xb. Supposed to be a cool kid car, and then old people realized it was easy to get in and out of and bought them in droves. 😂
In years past somebody in the Portland, Oregon area took a '66 Mustang and turned it into a station wagon. It actually looked like an interesting car if you wanted a sporty station wagon.
The problem with the Chevy SS was this.. no advertising.. us Chevy V8 manual ppl didn’t even know these existed until after they were cancelled. So nobody bought them new simply because nobody knew they existed
Saw only one in the flesh, and the owner bought a Holden badging kit, so I was confused until I found out it was based on a Holden.
$40,000.00 might have had something to do with it.
GM only offered it in the US at all because it was part of a deal they signed with the Australian government so they could steal a quarter of a billion dollars off Aussie taxpayers. They had no interest in it beyond the free money they could get.
I think they were $42k for a sedan that looked like a cobalt. Great car, piss poor advertising.
I think some cop cars were the caprice version
If kittens are purring, take them to the cat wizard for inspection.
Bring back the 1993 Toyota Camry... Nevermind, they're ALL still on the road going strong 😂
Build a car correctly it goes forever
Or the celica, ask Scotty….
Bought a Honda Fit new in 09. GREAT car. Gave it to my son at 150K. At 250K half shafts snapped. Honda replaced free as they said they were defective!! Has 330K on it now.
Bought a 10 CUBE, decent car, Nissan service SUCKED, gave it to my daughter, she traded it.
I have a 2009 Fit, too. My commute is short, so just a bit over 100k miles. But it's been great!
The fit and its Toyota version, the Matrix, were/are great cars.
In the case of the Chevy SS, the reason why no one bought it isn't because it was too expensive, it was MSRPd at the same as a camaro SS RS, its because you could chop off both your hands and still be able to count all the comercials and adds chevy made for the Chevy SS. How many people here told their friends about the SS when it was still new and got a response around the likes of "I dont really like the camaro tbh" or "eh I dont want a camaro" or "I guess the camaro is cool what about it?" No one outside of car enthusiasts knew the SS existed and cars are not successful by enthusiasts they are successful by normal people buying a car they know exist
Actually, for what you got it was a bargain. The reason no one bought one is because you couldn't get one very easily. Order books were open for about 10 minutes; after that, Chevy made just enough and brought them over (like the G8 before it) to get their tax break from Australia and honor the deal it cut to get the break. Added to the tiny amount of advertising and it's amazing any were sold at all.
A better name might have helped with Advertising as well. Nothing against “Super Sport” but by itself it’s generic, and I associate that with a Chevy option package. Since “Impala” was already taken at the time I think “Chevelle” might have worked, though I realize that logic didn’t translate to sales with the mid-2000’s GTO. Still, yes, more advertising would have helped.
@@JackBeckman Yup, you are spot on, it was lip service to the agreement they signed with Canberra idiot politicians so they could steal a quarter of a billion from Aussie taxpayers.
Seriously, naming your car after a trim level that exists on your other performance car was a HORRIFIC decision.
GM sold exactly how many SS that they wanted to sell.
I want to see a video of Hooptie Kittens - they go to the vet (The Cat Wizard) for shots and Tyler spends way more than they are worth.
The Fiero. Use the new Corvette platform, or one of their test beds. Make it a 300 hp 4 cylinder. 3/5 of a Vette for 1/2 the price. It could be done. Just call it the Buick Pegasus.
Base model 150hp, option 2: ~230hp, option 3: 300hp & big brakes.
lol, Buick Pegasus…
The kittens are so cute. Thanks for sharing them. I do like all the older cars, except the interiors, like the steering wheels. Tyler you had a great idea on the new version of the super bee. Massive horse power, modern interior, lower wing. April and you should design it. 😼 I see a third UA-cam channel called Tyler and April build a modern Super Bee.
People who want a SS, should look at CT5 Blackwing or the CT4 Blackwing from Cadillac.
Yea but its a big step up financially
For over double what an SS cost when it was new? Lol
Saturn Sky Redline an American made rwd roadster with limited slip, manual trans, turbo, and 50/50 weight distribution
Bring back the big sedans! We're 67 and 69 and we love our Audi A8L. It's about to turn ten years old and we plan to replace it with another one.
As an Element owner, I whole heartedly agree. The even the used ones are expensive because it's a niche market nothing else fills.
Wagons are sport utility vehicles that drive like a car not like a truck. My MB E450 All Terrain has the storage of SUV truck, handles fantastic and Car and Driver clocked it at 4.4 zero to 60. Smart people like your friend Doug know that wagons are the way to go.
Chevy SS....was not advertised at all by GM. Many people who would have bought it didn't even know about it until production stopped.
It was only brought to the US as part of an agreement to get some free money from Australian tax payers - GM did the absolute minimum they had to do to get the quarter billion dollars the stupid Aussie politicians offered them, and then closed down production and stole the money.
GM were in the process of killing Holden, they didn't want to sell too many.
The people saying "bring back the wagons" never bought them when they were new. I did, and its got a turbo 6 and a 6spd and I've still got it!
maybe its.also a generational backslash? Station wagons were for the old and now it's SUVs? Which are now only old people driving and wagons will be coming back because it's sporty, younger and hipp?
They say the same about manual transmission cars. Few buy them especially new.
@@richardmorris7063 which is true. - they now get so much more value for super cars though - its such a niche market.
The enthusiast market is very limited. The main market by far is commuting - one car for the family as an appliance.
The supercar is at the wall of the son´s room only.
Wagon? Heck yea. The 30 foot long ones with the seats in the back. The good old early 70's ones. Giant things. None of this 80's 90's things.
@@douglash9364The 80s, 90s, 2k, 2010s and eve the 2020s have wagons with that feature...all in markets outside the US...except from Mercedes if I remember right you can still get it on their Outback-ified E class wagons
Tyler. I like your idea's and I wish that the big car companies would listen to you. You represent the new generation of buyers but have a very good understanding of Automotive history. You should be on a board for new cars. The problem now is the mix and matching of platforms to conserve costs on overall R&D. Like the Supra/BMW or the URUS/AUDI and so on.
My favorite UA-cam channel!
Enthusiasts love sporty wagons because it’s a great one car option. Problem is, the people that can afford high end wagons, can also afford a dedicated sports car AND family hauler
Thiss!! The people who want sports wagons are the used car buyers who only buy massively depreciated cars. At new, the people who can afford them buy multiple cars.
Agreed! I’m still disappointed that Lexus sold so few IS300 Sportcrosses. I know they weren’t the most powerful or luxurious wagons but they were a lot of fun, dependable and practical. I really hate that Lexus didn’t even try to make a AMG wagon competitor.
The Chevy SS was based of the Australian Holden Commodore!!! Honestly wish they would bring them back! None of the new cars feel as big and luxurious for a lower price!
As a current Lexus GS owner and longtime admirer, I 💯% agree they NEED to bring it back!! Saying the LC500 has a backseat (🤣) suitable to replace a midsized sedan is some "smooth-brained stuff" in itself, Tyler. 🤔😂
Amen! Unless you’re really into yoga, you’re not gonna get into that backseat without some serious effort. And once you’re there, you’re not gonna be very comfortable unless you’re a small child. Even small, slim adults don’t really fit in comfortably and anyone with mobility issues regardless of age is probably not going to attempt to get into the backseat of a LC500.
I prefer cars over SUV's. I really like small pickups. The biggest problem today is price. A basic car should be 30 - 40k. Until the auto makers learn how to go back to basic transportation at a decent price we will all suffer.
Cars haven’t really changed in price in over 50 years. Price went up nominally because half a century of inflation, but not in real terms.
I have a 1971 mustang that my dad bought new in 1971 before Nixon got us off gold. It costed him 3,319 USD, or he explained roughly 2 years wages if you were at the bottom of the income spectrum. If I look up a new modern one, same trim and everything and what do you know roughly 2 years wages for minimum wage in my state.
Great video team, loving your conversation topics recently
I bought a Chevy Sonic, a smaller version of the Cruze, without a turbo (thankfully) and I found it to be a very good highway vehicle. A little small, but the cruise control held the same speed up and down hill, the seating was comfortable, the ride was smooth, and the fuel economy was great. I sold it to my stepdaughter and still miss it a little when I see it.
An aluminum S2k with the civic type r drivetrain rwd nearing miata weight would sell out at $65k.
Lamborghini Urus is a fail??? It accounts for more than half the sales and insures that we can keep having Revueltos and the new Huracán!!! Come on April!!!!
This. The urus is an overwhelming success.
Yup, took the page right out of the Porsche manual on SUV's bankrolling your other models.
The pulsar was a great idea! 2 door coupe, 2 door wagon, 2 door t-top and without the hatch, some kind of convertible! I really want that, even now! modularity was a great idea! I would buy one!
They had a lot of mechanical issues
A pickup you can actually reach into the bed while standing flat footed next to it? Outrageous!
It's ridiculous how tall truck beds have gotten.
@@Friscorockhead It has and when I talk to people about it they don't get it and I realized that it's because I'm old and remember reasonably sized trucks. I think the last reasonably sized truck was probably a Toyota T-100 long bed. Since then the beds have been getting taller and taller and the last several years the noses have been getting taller and taller too. They are now seriously endangering people they are so large, as well as losing some of their utility.
Can you tell that this irritates me :)
@@Friscorockhead Good name by the way. I saw Metallica in a club in Oakland in 1983 :)
@Scoots1994 that must have been a thrill to see them that early in their career! I was a little too young to catch a show with Cliff Burton, sadly.
And yes, I completely agree. You have to ask yourself where it ends with the ever increasing size of pickups. I've owned a lot of pickups, and I think my favorite one was the 1998 Chevy 1500 Z71. It had modern driveabily with the feel of the older size proportions. My 1994 Ford Ranger 4x4 was also a fantastic truck.
@@Friscorockhead The late 90s Ford truck interiors really went downhill. Dodge has been terrible for a LOT longer :) I think the early 2000s were the last real usable trucks, but they were already getting fairly bloated.
I saw a bunch of great bands back then. I saw Motorhead in the UC student union in the 80s too (to this day the loudest show I've been to). My teenage daughter has done the same going regularly to shows at little clubs for $15ish tickets then the next time through town the tickets are over $100. She has passed me for music passion :)
93 Volvo wagon driver here...i get so many thumbs up and questions about the car.
My wife vetoed me getting a car that old, so I got a newer VW that I hate and a 1980s toyota :)
Movie star /race car owner/driver Paul Newman used to Dailey one. Wayne Corini of Chasing Classic Cars bought it.
@@Scoots1994 can't go wrong with an old school Volvo Wagon. rock solid. Funny, my wife bought mine for me as she knew I love them.
@@pjmcilwaine My wife drives a 18 year old Volvo that she loves too :)
That said, the old 240 wagon is not the easiest fit for a 6'4" person to drive. But I do love them.
@@richardmorris7063 About 3 million of them were made, sometimes I think most of them are still out there on the road somewhere :)
Toyota Avalon, Toyota GR Celica, Honda S2000, Chevy K5 Blazer, Honda Fit, Chevy S10 truck, Toyota SR5 Marty McFly 1980's truck
I don't think most people care if electric or not. My brother just got a Buick Envista and his coworkers thought it was electric because of the fastback design. I think most people just want affordable vehicles. I think the 2nd gen Cruze and Volt were fantastic, particularly the Cruze Diesel. I would rather have the Cruze and Impala over the Malibu.
I've owned both a Magnum and a Chevy SS. I still regret trading the Magnum in. I loved that car. The SS had a 6-speed manual and I loved driving it, except in traffic. But I got old and creaky and my coordination was getting so bad I couldn't make a smooth shift. I traded it in on a Camry. If my SS had an automatic I'd probably still own it.
Two reasons the SS didn't sell better (in my opinion): First, the car was built in Australia and had to be shipped to the US. I imagine that was a logistical problem for GM. Second, as far as i can tell it wasn't advertised. I found out about it car mags.
I want wagons to make a comeback, especially sport wagons. And build them with dual clutch transmissions and don't just put flappy paddles in to run a slush box. But i've probably bought my last car so it won't matter to me.
yep the cheap pick up truck with a little retro styling would send people crazy, i totally agree, even something like the mighty boy or hi jet like
My band mate had an Element ..such a cool little car..( we packed so much gear into it)
just bring back the 2001 S-10 LS 4cly best little truck ever! Great gas mileage and good power...Pulled my boat for 16 years with no problems
A small inexpensive pickup truck has proved to sell with the Maverick. Plenty of room in the market for another one. As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
The Maverick is a midsized unibody car with a bed.
So yes, there is definitely still room (and demand) for an actual small truck.
CLClll why go to the trouble of commenting just to make you sound stupid,goD bless guaranteed to do that-No One Is Coming to Save You-
Toyota Hilux Champ. Only what you NEED, nothing else! That bed!!!!
@@AndreS_-df2nw Agreed! Only overseas unfortunately.
I'd love to see the car manufacturers bring back the Pontiac Solstice, or the Saturn Sky, they were cool Sportscars, but they'd have to have a manual transmission! I plan on adding them to my classic car collection!
Not that I'd necessarily buy one myself but the square off , retro mitsubishi budget truck is genius, I also believe that would capture huge sales.
Bring back the Ford Panther platform cars!
As the owner of a 2006 Ford P71 I have to agree with you.
Just go buy one. They made millions! So many parts available and aftermarket support.
Re. wagons-- IMO, modern CUVs have come (nearly) full circle, and are now just slightly tall wagons.
A 1996 Ford Taurus Wagon had 5.5" ground clearance. A 2024 Chevy Equinox gets 7.6. That's a difference of 2". Roof height, the equinox is 7" taller. Factoring in the 2" lift, 5" taller.
So, in terms of height, a new Equinox is the equivalent of 1996 Taurus Wagon with a 2" lift and an extra 5" of headroom.
I agree with the small/mini affordable truck/suv that is body on frame. Toyota needs to bring back the XB/BB. Which could be the same body on frame as this small truck and to compete with the Honda Element(if they listen and bring it back). All though it is a niche vehicle, the Nissan Bluebird. VW needs to bring back the Corrado. Not just the name plate, like they did with the Scirroco overseas.
I’ll speak for all us crazy element owners.. you need one Tyler!!!
They could build the grand national on the alpha platform with different engine options. Base & GNX trims
Bringing back the Grand National on a Holden platform could be do-able.
The S2000as an electric wouldn't sell. The thing that made them so fun was the handling combined with the astronomical redline.
The most agreeable and sensible choice would be the Mitsubishi Mighty Max. A small, affordable, fuel efficient compact truck to give the Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz a run for their money. Not only that, it would give Mitsubishi and opportunity to redeem themselves. The last attempt was the Raider which was just a rebadged Dodge Dakota. This time, it would have to be something all-new. The key is to keep it small and affordable, don't make it bloated and too expensive. But I don't see it happening anytime soon.
I feel like if auto manufacturers sponsored manual transmission training courses at dealerships, they could sell a lot more manual transmission cars because there seems to be many people who want to learn and it would be a great way to bring people onto dealership lots. Also, I believe the cars would be cheaper to produce, which means higher profit margins for auto manufacturers, and typically they can be cheaper to maintain which would be a win for consumers.
It is an emissions thing. People cannot shift as smooth as an automatic and cause excessive smog during the shift. You have to pass the EPA test
One thing I've learned in my life so far as the Italians make Kick-Ass dependable quality built switchblades
Stilettos
I agree about the Dodge Magnum. I'd just make a Charger wagon and name it Charger Magnum.
Corvette should be a sub brand at Chevrolet. The mid engine at the top called Corvette Zora A front engine version could be the Corvette Stingray. Then add a smaller version similar to the Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky with 4 cylinder turbo power. Maybe called the Corvette Solstice. No SUVs should be in the sub brand.
I daily a 2014 Jetta Sportwagen TDI manual. When I'm at car shows with the fun cars I talk with people that love that I daily a manual diesel wagon but I don't think that many of them would actually spend the money even if that car was available new. I love mine and only have 150k miles so I'll be driving this one for years to come!!
Loved my Magnum R/T AWD, it was unstoppable in snow and was overall a good car. I put almost 200k miles on it and it gave me very little trouble. Great car.
Here's a revival concept I would consider my perfect car. I've had three MB 300 TDs and loved them very much but were painfully slow. I also had a MB 300 SEL 6.3 the Corvette killer, which I loved even more. But I quickly realized I couldn't afford to own the 6.3. My dream revival would be the Mercedes 300 TD platform W123 mated with about 350 hp of electric motors.
Perfect daily driver for me.
I agree 100% with the Mighty Max, or the Mazda B2000. Basic truck, manual trans, no frills, sub 20K, they'd sell out. I remember Mazda did a version of the B2000 with a bed cap, manual trans, for $5,995.00. It was awesome!
If they offered it with auto or manual, manual sales would be around 5%, so it would be a waste to offer it.
Just over fifty years ago Ford DID make a luxury prototype of their full-size wagon with a curved sofa seat in the mid to rear section - April is reviving a fun concept!
Bring back the Magnum, and wagons in general. There are so many beautiful wagons in Europe, and they usually make more sense than a thirsty SUV. They’re also more fun to drive, and they fit in the garage.
Hoovie ,I like the way you think w/ a halo car. I want something to knock my socks off,something I have to have & I don't see it not for a reasonable price(under 60k)
The wing was not useless. It was so high because anything lower was useless on this long tall car.
I remember seeing the winged birds lined up at a dealer lot outside of Detroit back in the day when I was barely out of diapers.
Fits are great little cars. If I could've afforded one I'd be driving one. I also wish there were wagons again, I hate crossovers.
A Nissan Pulsar just sold on Bring a Trailer for $5,000, not sure of the year, but it was in pretty good condition!
Here's a radical idea: an inexpensive 2 door midsize pickup with power steering, a/c, crank windows, manual locks, & a cargo bed that actually can carry cargo. (I know, I'm in Dreamworld.)
I commented too soon. The mighty max would do the trick.
Totally agree with the Element!
For all intents and purposes my (and your) Cadillac Lyriq is a wagon. That''s part of what makes it so awesome.
In Europe they marketed a 300 version of the Magnum! Saw them all over Europe! Oh well... that ain't gonna happen.
Interestingly, in the UK, VW have just announced the launch of a new Passat, which is ONLY available as a wagon. It’s not called the Passat Estate, but just ‘Passat’ as it’s the only option available.
Bring back the Oldsmobile 442 as a Chevy 444, with a small V6 up front and a giant electric motor and battery in the trunk, to give it all-wheel-drive. The V6 should have an electric supercharger option to make it a weekend drag monster.
I'd say put the del Sol back into production over the S2000. I drove an S2000 and the steering wheel practically lived in my lap. Very uncomfortable car to be in even tho I'm pretty sure it's larger than the del Sol. The del Sol is a great top down cruiser and has pretty decent handling too.
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April was way too happy about that, she a lil freaky snowbunny 😂
Hoovie gon lose her to a beebeesee 😂
Bring back the Pontiac. I like cats as long as I don't have to live with them. Your cats are fine
Fiero and Firebird
The way you feel about cats is how I feel about women. Like them. Don’t like living with them
I'm a dog person but my neighbor has befriended a family of cats that had kittens. They keep all the unwanted critters we have in Florida away.
2nd gen cruze was super underrated. 18s and 19s are bulletproof
You can bring back any car now in a EV format. You have a base, you can have small coach builders put bodies on top of them. Just like back in the 20''s and 30's. For that matter you can up cycle from the boneyards.
They could (should) make a basic new front engine corvette architecture that could accommodate bodies inspired by each generation of corvette. Brand new restomods built to order.
I like my Honda Fit! It's small and easy to park in the city. I like that the back seats can fold up or down so, even though it's small, it is surprisingly flexible about what you can put in it. Is it sporty? No. But an affordable, A-to-B vehicle that can move people and stuff? Yes!
I had a 2nd gen fit, it was a great car. It had solid fuel economy, drove nicely and I fit a 60" TV in the back without having to take it out of the box. April might not like how the last gen looked but it was no where near "terrible".
I had a second-gen Honda Fit. Great car. Don't harsh on the Fit!
Ford did it with the ford GT.The MSRP was between 4 and 6 hundred thousand.A new super bird at the same price range would be cool
But that wasn't a bespoke version of a production car. The GT was made by MuliMatic as a true one off.
If Honda brought back the Element, the company couldn't make enough of them. I have had one for almost 13 years. Mine is a 2006.
The only small "break" (wagon) that deserves to be brought back to life in my opinion is the Toyota Tercel 4 WD "break" (Wagon).
bring back the RWD b body caprice/ roadmaster/ fleetwood, the cops dont have a big police sedan anymore
8:34 the point is though, all of these wagons DO still exist elsewhere (Europe) and are popular
Same with him disagreeing about the Lexus GS - the GS was a competitor to the likes of the BMW 5 series and Audi A5 - a mid range luxury sports sedan for the family man. I have a GS460 - it's a worthy competitor to the BMW 5 series V8's, only without a hopelessly unreliable engine, generally far better built, and far better equipped as standard. I have this because I also have kids I have to move around, and don't have the luxury of being able to have more than 2 cars. It's sad that the GS series is gone - but they axed it because everyone wants f**k*ng SUV's now.
It's also way smarter to buy used, after depreciation!
For a new GNX, take the Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing platform, make it a coupe, and have it be the new Buick halo car. It already has the start of the boxy shape, just go all in
And t-tops.
Bring the cats back meanie.
I'd love you to rate contemporary Latin American cars, like the Renault Duster, Fiat Strada, Chevrolet Montana, Dodge Dakota, Jeep Commander, Citroén C3 Aircross, Volkswagen Nivus, Toyota Yaris, Chinese cars, and whatever gets a Dodge badge in Mexico.
The vf commodore was only rare in the us becsuse gm wanted it to fail making it easier to kill off holden 😂 over here it sold like crack in the hood because we also got a terrible v6 alloytec version 😂😂
I'm not sure I love the generic car videos. Jalopnik, survey stuff etc .. but I understand you are both car people living in a car world/audience. But I think you dont quite understand how entertaining you are together. Really. Branch out. Who can make the best breakfast? Who can drive in reverse through a course? Who can describe how to milk a cow without looking it up? You met, you fell in love, and you live in this amazing mixed world of rural roots, city cool, cars, farms, travel, honesty & bullshit. You could knock this channel out of the park. And kittens ...
I liked the looks of the convertible Eclipse. I knew someone who had one that they said was a maintenance nightmare. I don't know if that was the norm. Nice looking car, though!
Dear Ford or GM, please bring back full size 20 foot-long station wagons
Had a 2018 Honda Fit. Worse car I ever owned. Very unreliable. Leaked water from the doors, oil leaks, motor mount failures,
quality craftsmanship.
Don't get a Honda. And don't buy a "cheap" car.
Only way a wagon is coming back is with the Subaru Outback formula and it's the best selling wagon on the planet thanks to the US. The European brands bring lifted wagons here but they don't do nearly enough and they are expensive.
Wagons sat right next to sedans and SUVs for a bit and nobody wanted a wagon. Gotta face the fact people find them ugly.
Once saw a Murano CrossCabriolet and a old Saab wagon and asked my friends what they thought. They said the Murano was much prettier and the Saab looked like a flip flop. My parents also dislike Wagons even new sporty ones I show them.
It is what it is.
I think a lifted wagon variation of the Corolla, Camry, Civic, and Accord are the only true paths for a new wagon to succeed here.
Drove the last gen Cruze. It was terrible. The interior was so god awful. The plastics were falling apart worse than any other car I've seen. And it wasn't ten years old. The car was so low it couldn't get into the driveway without damaging the bumper. It was cramped and uncomfortable like most sedans. Just didn't do anything right.
Don't understand large American sedans. If you want a sedans body style at least make it sporty like most sedans do now. If you want a LARGE sedan key word on large you want comfort and luxury. A SUV or CUV or even a wagon does a much better job than a sedans body could ever hope too. These cars would be hitting almost 40 maybe 50k asking prices. For that money people aren't going to find any justification for such a large yet impractical car. Its a waste of space and proportions. If your going to go that big at least make it a box on wheels for practicality. You even can get a third row.
The Element, K5 Blazer, and a small Mitsubishi truck honestly has the best case for them to be brought back.
Really? Uh oh, I have a 2018 Fit with 65,000 miles and there is nothing wrong yet except that noisy cold start sound for first 2 seconds.
@@aussie2uGAI hope you don't have issues. Just saying my experience. I would take the door panals off and look around. The craftsmanship is BAD. The car just dosent give a since of long term quality. I can't see it making it till 2030 or 150k miles. I can't wait for the thing to leave my driveway.
On paper it's cool. I like a lot about it. But the problems just make me want to get rid of it. I hoped being a 2018 any production issues would uave been solved. But nope. Good luck on yours.
I do hear a lot about the cold start noises. I'm fairly certain it's said it's not a issue? Like no long term serious issues. But expensive to try and actually fix.
@@baronvonjo1929 Thanks, dealer says to ignore the cold start noise, they have plenty of six digit mileage Hondas with that same engine doing it without issue. I'll cross my fingers.
You know where your Honda was built? Can imagine quality might vary depending on where the factory is.
@@drunkenhobo8020 Mexico. I do believe that plays a factor. But it still falls on the executives in Japan to make a good quality car.
And to be fair Honda Fits made in Japan have their known issues. The water leak issue has been a issue on every single generation Fit except maybe the current Fit/Jazz still sold overseas. They had 20 years to fix these water leaks and are so incompetent they couldn't do it. Speaks volumes about Hondas poor engineering
That old Alpha Romeo looks like the late 80's early 90's Volkswagen Sorrocco. I liked the look back in the day.
You got close with the Nissan Cube, but the square car with the difference was the Honda Element. Between the clamshell rear doors and the totally flat floor the Element had what all the others were missing. They built enough between ‘04 and 2011 that there’s still a few around, but a 2024 with current Honda gas power and drivetrain sophistication……bring it back, give it a try.
Funny, if I was shopping for a car in it's price range, the Stinger would have been high on the list if it had a manual. Making a car that's supposed to appeal to the people that grew up with 90s/2000s car scene but grew up and want something with more practicality and a bit high end and then not offering it with the correct number of pedals really ruined that thing.
I so so loved My Element, I could not bring it to Europe because they don't sell them here, bizarrely
The Taycan cross Turismo is for sure in production still ….
And I see them EVERYWHERE in Utah
How about bringing out a roadrunner that has a 5.7 hemi with 460 horsepower and manual that has a base price of 27 grand. Or an F150 with a supercab for 30 grand. Affordable vehicles sell.
Great content guys
I would buy an electric Mighty Max in a heartbeat. I’ve been saying for years that someone needs to bring back an actual small truck
RE The Honda Element.I worked for Honda when it launched. They spent millions on focus groups etc. to design the perfect vehicle for younger people. When it launched the biggest audience for it was the over 60 crowd. That still to this day this is a reminder to me that you can't know everything. And it makes me laugh!!
Same thing happened with the Scion Xb. Supposed to be a cool kid car, and then old people realized it was easy to get in and out of and bought them in droves. 😂
@@ChadwickJames Except that the electronics were under the floor and must be kept dry!!!
Some say you can fit a full size fridge in the back of it lol see. Netgear57 ccf 🇳🇿
The Canoe has wrap around seating with great crash ratings. April is correct!
I would love to see the fit. I myself like cheap small hatchback. I drive a Sion XD and love it
Actually Cadillac has a couple 4 door rear wheel drive platforms that the Buick could come back on !!!!!! It is already in the fleet
Bring back the Grand National as an EV with the Hummer EV motors boosted to like 1200+ hp and does 0-60 in 1.5 seconds. Then nobody would complain.
Fast EVs already exist. You want one with a cheap interior and velour seats?
@amazingjason455 they could upgrade the seats to leather and just make it similar design to the original.
@@amazingjason455and t-tops.
A manual transmission option for the Corvette would be nice...
In years past somebody in the Portland, Oregon area took a '66 Mustang and turned it into a station wagon. It actually looked like an interesting car if you wanted a sporty station wagon.