Great Video Jeff! Cool to see it coming to fruition. Many conversations and rabbit holes later, excited to see where it all ends up! To be continued….😉👊🏼
This is all kinds of awesome. I can't wait to see what you come up with. I have the 2.3 and I like it but my wife and kid hate how loud it is. Keep up the great work.
@AMI_Detail Since I had to install a dedicated outlet (30amp) I opted for a little more power and picked up the Canpump Wall-Mount Pressure Washer: 5 hp Full-Speed Motor 240 V, Total Stop System. Shipped to my door under $1100.
I don't know dude seems like a pain in the butt. For like 1 more gpm. I think I will just get the 630 and be done. But I'm really glad you are doing it. Thank you for sharing!
totally alot of work and unnecessary, i would be really interested in how www.canpump.com/canpump-wall-mount-pressure-washer-4-hp-nicolini-motor-240-v-total-stop-system/ with the 2130 and the pressure switch would do out of the box.
Keav if you run a dual setup, you would need a dedicated circuit for each unit. Need check valves so they don't back flow into each other, if they have a TSS hope they work together so both turn on and off together. That seems like more trouble than building a unit that can flow 3gpm at 1200-1600psi. Its really not that hard to do, just takes a little research.
@ Yes you would need that and I’ve done dual setups before so I have all the parts needed. I myself will probably never do it I’m finding myself caring less about that 3gpm benchmark. 2.2gpm with the 630 is more than enough and I have RCA3 Pro that already does 2.8gpm. 630 though the pressure switches work well with a dual setup proved out by OG. In my garage adding a second circuit would take 5 minutes so no problem there plus it would be 4gpm pretty easily doing it that way.
@@CarsWithKeav What additional parts would you need to do a dual AR630 setup as two AR630 will cost someone over $1500. The RCA3 Pro maxed out at what was it 1100psi and retails at $1700, not a practical unit for someone who may already have all their own accessories, maybe AR will get smart and sell the pressure washer by itself. Hopefully Jeff will give a total amount for his build, and we can compare cost between them I think the big advantage to building a 220v unit is it more versatile with being able to have the high flow at a higher pressure for other cleaning task around the house. My pump is rated at a max of 1600psi at 3.5gpm and I have a big enough motor to do it if I need to by just swapping out the tips to a different orifice size. If I ever decide I need more pressure I would just need to change out to a different pump with a higher-pressure rating, don't I will ever have to as I have not found anything I could not clean with the setup.
@ All I would need is another AR630. I have everything else plus the ar630 I’m using now. In the end though I’m not doing any of it I’m good with what my AR630 is doing. I’m done with the high number stuff now it was just a fad and another rabbit hole for me. I have a gas pressure washer for around the house as it’s much more mobile and versatile.
Jeff I missed the beginning of the video when you were talking about the circuit for powering this motor. According to NEC you are to take the FLA rating of the motor and multiply it by 1.25. so, 17 X 1.25=21.25. Seeing they don't make a breaker that size you would have to step up to the next size breaker which is 25 amps and you would need to run 10 AWG wire as it is rated up to 30 amp. Not trying to be a know it all but I went through the same thing you are when I built mine with this motor, just trying to help and make it easier for you.
As someone mentioned here in the comments somewhere that it would just be much easier to go with something like the AR630TS and not have to deal with this.
@ If everyone took your attitude nobody would have come up with the detail keg because the IK sprayer was just fine. Nobody would have come up with idea to put a Schrader valve on the bottle because pumping it by hand was good enough.
@ you’re comparing two different things. The detail keg is an actual improvement while providing g the same ease of use as the ik. But like I mentioned earlier, if you like to tinker with things then by all means you should have a go at it.
I have been debating this for the past 2 years....spoke with canpump a few times .....following your channel now. I have had a custom spec pressure washer doing 2.1 gpm on 120volts 20amps ....its about 69-72 db ......when you have your setup stabilized please do a proper pressure/gpm and db measurement....Good luck and I am staying tuned :) Also....a proper TSS system (not canpump's silly remote turn off/turn on) is a must.
i measured 74db today in a pretty rudimentary way, it was within 1db of my k1322. Id be interested in how the www.canpump.com/canpump-wall-mount-pressure-washer-4-hp-nicolini-motor-240-v-total-stop-system/ with the 2130 and the pressure switch would do out of the box.
I LOVE Ohms law and electricity. I always love seeing all these 120V 5 and 6 HP rated vacuum cleaners and other tools that never get even close as they only draw a maximum of 10 amps on a 15 amp breaker. not realizing that the motors only do about 1.3 to 1.5 horsepower .
Yep. 4hp is around 17a at 230v :). Remember though that hp has a rpm component, so if you can make the motor spin faster it makes more horsepower. I don’t think 6 is possible on a 10a though
Very interesting and I appreciate the laymen’s explanations of the electrical terms and definitions. Question: what does 3+ gpm accomplish that the 2.2+ you have now doesn’t? From an ROI perspective this seems more of like a ‘can I create this’ project vs one that would have a tangible benefit. Guess I need to understand the true benefit of the higher gpm.
Honestly i need to use it to wash a car to truly answer that. Cost from where I already was? Its probably stupid... But lets say you don't have anything and you're interested in a K1322 or an AR630, you're going to install a dedicated outlet for it, etc. This is only a different breaker in your panel to make it happen as a 240v machine. The K1322 is $1122 right now, and for $1160 you can buy the prebuilt bertolini from Canpump that has 1.5x the output.. That being said, this is all unnecessary, we can wash cars with a garden house if we wanted to :)
@ it’s interesting. Regarding flow rate, does the additional ~1gpm achieve something? Reduce water use since it rinses more quickly? Alter dilution needed in a foam cannon?
Jeff have you designed your control circuit for the motor yet? Are you going to be using a contactor or just a 2 pole switch to turn it off and on? Please make sure you use something that has a thermal overload as the Nicolini motor does not have any overload protection built in. I will send you a link to the switch Nicolini recommended to me, I didn't use it as I went a different direction and used an ABB Manual Motor Starter If you use a contactor, think about adding a Delay on Off timer so it does not turn off right away every time you stop washing. I set mine up with one and set it for a 15 second delay which give me time to move around the car when either foaming or rinsing. Constant starts and stops are the hardest on the pump and motor. I would also add a thermal relief valve to the pump just as a safety feature in case something would happen with the TSS not turning off the motor, its cheap insurance at around $15. For your TSS set up are you going to us a system with two pressure switch's or one pressure switch? Have you chosen your unloader yet? I can't wait to see which direction you go and see how it turns out; I think you will enjoy the adventure as I had fun building mine.
i appreciate the back and forth in emails. For others here, im going to use an external unloader and i may try the canpump tss system as a starter and go from there. Im already looking at other options for contactors and pressure switches, the timer is a good idea, kranzle is doing something similar with the KWS700
Jeff Have you pulled the flange off of the Comet pump, if it has a flat mounting surface the Bertolini Pump flange will not work as it has a raised locating ring on it. I am using the same motor for my pressure washer build, the problem with the Nicolini motor is it's not a NEMA 56 C face. I ended up going with an AR pump and then I had to order a F44 flange that had the 130mm bolt pattern from an AR dealer out of Italy as no dealer in the US could get it. After I got that flange, I had to take the front mounting plate off of the motor and have the locating ring machined down from the NEMA 56 size. If I remember correctly, I think the machine shop had to machine it down to 115mm. I am also using the AR 25395 unloader which has the TSS switch on it.
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. The flange will be here tomorrow and I’ll take a look. They tried it on a comet pumo in house and said it worked. If it doesn’t I’ll probably want to swap my comet for the bertolini pump as that’s something I could actually recommend to my followers
@@improvedgarageI have never actually seen one of those modules with the control gun in action. I assume any kind of delay or signal disruption would cause the pump to over pressure and get damaged without an unloader within a few rotations...
@@Ayestoseayou may be right. I’ll dig into it next week following your comments. I was under the impression the pump had the ability to bypass without the unloader, but re-read through the guide and see that is the case only for the variants with K in the name. If I need to add an external unloader I’ll do so.
It would be interesting to find out the reason why some have started to seek this sort of thing of seeking the highest gpm as possible. For washing cars anything in the 1.3 to 2.0gpm and 1500psi to 2500psi space is perfect for what we are trying to do. I’ve heard some people try and say they want higher gpm because it helps them clean so much faster. Yes, it might clean a little faster but the difference in time saved would be minuscule. Honestly, the cost to benefit ratio isn’t worth it.
2500psi is madness. We’re all using orifaces putting us in the 1000-1100psi range. Also why not? I’m not unhappy with my kranzle k1322, but all of these new washers come out and they are no better than the last one. The active is the only one targeting high flow and it’s impossible to be in the same room with it while it’s running.
@ why are you wanting to be in such a low psi range of just 1000-1100psi? Both you and Pan seem to somehow like this low psi range? Also, your take on not being able to be in the same room as an active unite is a bit overblown since nobody will be standing right next to one when washing their car and even if they were the sound it makes isn’t the high pitched squealing sound other units tend to make.
@@WillieBeamin-t4vthe entire industry prefers this psi range. There is no reason to rip paint off of the car you’re trying to wash. Maybe if we were doing degreasing or heavy equipment washing or cleaning a driveway it would make sense to run more pressure but otherwise it’s an unnecessary risk.
@ the only way you’re going to be “ripping paint off” is if you’re holding the tip inches from the paint which no one should be doing in the first place. As long as the user possesses some level of common sense the psi ranges I states are perfectly fine and safe. I still don’t see why you believe it needs to be in such a low range? Also, id say it’s a bit premature to claim that the “entire industry” agrees and abides by this. Just because you see or hear people on social media do something doesn’t turn it into an entire industry. Just saying.
Idk what we are talking about but I’m here for it 💯
Omg same!! lol keep talking Jeff I’m listening…comprehending, no lol but definitely listening 😂
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Great Video Jeff! Cool to see it coming to fruition. Many conversations and rabbit holes later, excited to see where it all ends up!
To be continued….😉👊🏼
Fascinating. Looking forward to how this turns out.
This is all kinds of awesome. I can't wait to see what you come up with. I have the 2.3 and I like it but my wife and kid hate how loud it is. Keep up the great work.
This will be great once you work out the kinks. I would love something like this on my shelf
I purchased from them too but opted for the canpump pump, aside from the lack of instructions I'm very pleased with the flow and power.
Which model did you choose? I was surprised with the 240v selection Canpump offers. Some under $900 with TSS and unloader all ready to go.
@AMI_Detail Since I had to install a dedicated outlet (30amp) I opted for a little more power and picked up the Canpump Wall-Mount Pressure Washer: 5 hp Full-Speed Motor 240 V, Total Stop System. Shipped to my door under $1100.
I don't know dude seems like a pain in the butt. For like 1 more gpm. I think I will just get the 630 and be done. But I'm really glad you are doing it. Thank you for sharing!
totally alot of work and unnecessary, i would be really interested in how www.canpump.com/canpump-wall-mount-pressure-washer-4-hp-nicolini-motor-240-v-total-stop-system/ with the 2130 and the pressure switch would do out of the box.
Fascinating stuff!! Can’t for part 2 and more!
This is why abandoned any thought of making my own. I’m good with what the AR630 does. If not I’ll just run a dial setup with them.
I thought of you right away when he started with the fittings! Lol
Keav if you run a dual setup, you would need a dedicated circuit for each unit. Need check valves so they don't back flow into each other, if they have a TSS hope they work together so both turn on and off together. That seems like more trouble than building a unit that can flow 3gpm at 1200-1600psi. Its really not that hard to do, just takes a little research.
@ Yes you would need that and I’ve done dual setups before so I have all the parts needed. I myself will probably never do it I’m finding myself caring less about that 3gpm benchmark. 2.2gpm with the 630 is more than enough and I have RCA3 Pro that already does 2.8gpm. 630 though the pressure switches work well with a dual setup proved out by OG. In my garage adding a second circuit would take 5 minutes so no problem there plus it would be 4gpm pretty easily doing it that way.
@@CarsWithKeav What additional parts would you need to do a dual AR630 setup as two AR630 will cost someone over $1500. The RCA3 Pro maxed out at what was it 1100psi and retails at $1700, not a practical unit for someone who may already have all their own accessories, maybe AR will get smart and sell the pressure washer by itself. Hopefully Jeff will give a total amount for his build, and we can compare cost between them
I think the big advantage to building a 220v unit is it more versatile with being able to have the high flow at a higher pressure for other cleaning task around the house. My pump is rated at a max of 1600psi at 3.5gpm and I have a big enough motor to do it if I need to by just swapping out the tips to a different orifice size. If I ever decide I need more pressure I would just need to change out to a different pump with a higher-pressure rating, don't I will ever have to as I have not found anything I could not clean with the setup.
@ All I would need is another AR630. I have everything else plus the ar630 I’m using now. In the end though I’m not doing any of it I’m good with what my AR630 is doing. I’m done with the high number stuff now it was just a fad and another rabbit hole for me. I have a gas pressure washer for around the house as it’s much more mobile and versatile.
Jeff I missed the beginning of the video when you were talking about the circuit for powering this motor. According to NEC you are to take the FLA rating of the motor and multiply it by 1.25.
so, 17 X 1.25=21.25. Seeing they don't make a breaker that size you would have to step up to the next size breaker which is 25 amps and you would need to run 10 AWG wire as it is rated up to 30 amp. Not trying to be a know it all but I went through the same thing you are when I built mine with this motor, just trying to help and make it easier for you.
Man I had no idea how much actually went into making the pressure washer work!!!
As someone mentioned here in the comments somewhere that it would just be much easier to go with something like the AR630TS and not have to deal with this.
@ Where's the fun it that. Some people enjoy the challenge in designing and building things.
@@69HemiRoadrunner I hear you. If you enjoy trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist really exist more power to you.
@ If everyone took your attitude nobody would have come up with the detail keg because the IK sprayer was just fine. Nobody would have come up with idea to put a Schrader valve on the bottle because pumping it by hand was good enough.
@ you’re comparing two different things. The detail keg is an actual improvement while providing g the same ease of use as the ik. But like I mentioned earlier, if you like to tinker with things then by all means you should have a go at it.
I have been debating this for the past 2 years....spoke with canpump a few times .....following your channel now. I have had a custom spec pressure washer doing 2.1 gpm on 120volts 20amps ....its about 69-72 db ......when you have your setup stabilized please do a proper pressure/gpm and db measurement....Good luck and I am staying tuned :)
Also....a proper TSS system (not canpump's silly remote turn off/turn on) is a must.
i measured 74db today in a pretty rudimentary way, it was within 1db of my k1322. Id be interested in how the www.canpump.com/canpump-wall-mount-pressure-washer-4-hp-nicolini-motor-240-v-total-stop-system/
with the 2130 and the pressure switch would do out of the box.
I LOVE Ohms law and electricity. I always love seeing all these 120V 5 and 6 HP rated vacuum cleaners and other tools that never get even close as they only draw a maximum of 10 amps on a 15 amp breaker. not realizing that the motors only do about 1.3 to 1.5 horsepower .
BSP = British Standard Pipe i believe
Yep. 4hp is around 17a at 230v :). Remember though that hp has a rpm component, so if you can make the motor spin faster it makes more horsepower. I don’t think 6 is possible on a 10a though
Very interesting and I appreciate the laymen’s explanations of the electrical terms and definitions. Question: what does 3+ gpm accomplish that the 2.2+ you have now doesn’t? From an ROI perspective this seems more of like a ‘can I create this’ project vs one that would have a tangible benefit. Guess I need to understand the true benefit of the higher gpm.
Honestly i need to use it to wash a car to truly answer that.
Cost from where I already was? Its probably stupid...
But lets say you don't have anything and you're interested in a K1322 or an AR630, you're going to install a dedicated outlet for it, etc. This is only a different breaker in your panel to make it happen as a 240v machine. The K1322 is $1122 right now, and for $1160 you can buy the prebuilt bertolini from Canpump that has 1.5x the output..
That being said, this is all unnecessary, we can wash cars with a garden house if we wanted to :)
@ it’s interesting. Regarding flow rate, does the additional ~1gpm achieve something? Reduce water use since it rinses more quickly? Alter dilution needed in a foam cannon?
I’ll be watching this build closely 😍. I may have missed it in the video, what GPM are you targeting?
im looking for something over 3, 3.2 or 3.5 would be awesome.
Jeff have you designed your control circuit for the motor yet? Are you going to be using a contactor or just a 2 pole switch to turn it off and on? Please make sure you use something that has a thermal overload as the Nicolini motor does not have any overload protection built in. I will send you a link to the switch Nicolini recommended to me, I didn't use it as I went a different direction and used an ABB Manual Motor Starter
If you use a contactor, think about adding a Delay on Off timer so it does not turn off right away every time you stop washing. I set mine up with one and set it for a 15 second delay which give me time to move around the car when either foaming or rinsing. Constant starts and stops are the hardest on the pump and motor.
I would also add a thermal relief valve to the pump just as a safety feature in case something would happen with the TSS not turning off the motor, its cheap insurance at around $15.
For your TSS set up are you going to us a system with two pressure switch's or one pressure switch?
Have you chosen your unloader yet?
I can't wait to see which direction you go and see how it turns out; I think you will enjoy the adventure as I had fun building mine.
i appreciate the back and forth in emails.
For others here, im going to use an external unloader and i may try the canpump tss system as a starter and go from there. Im already looking at other options for contactors and pressure switches, the timer is a good idea, kranzle is doing something similar with the KWS700
Very cool
Jeff Have you pulled the flange off of the Comet pump, if it has a flat mounting surface the Bertolini Pump flange will not work as it has a raised locating ring on it. I am using the same motor for my pressure washer build, the problem with the Nicolini motor is it's not a NEMA 56 C face. I ended up going with an AR pump and then I had to order a F44 flange that had the 130mm bolt pattern from an AR dealer out of Italy as no dealer in the US could get it. After I got that flange, I had to take the front mounting plate off of the motor and have the locating ring machined down from the NEMA 56 size. If I remember correctly, I think the machine shop had to machine it down to 115mm. I am also using the AR 25395 unloader which has the TSS switch on it.
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. The flange will be here tomorrow and I’ll take a look. They tried it on a comet pumo in house and said it worked. If it doesn’t I’ll probably want to swap my comet for the bertolini pump as that’s something I could actually recommend to my followers
Nice video
Have you come across the Kranz-Lee 230v custom Kranzle pressure washer? It looks similar to where you're headed and claims 1900psi 2.9gpm at 13 amps.
The Clean Garage sells the Kranzle KWS700TS Electric Pressure Washer Total Stop - 2400 PSI 3.3 GPM... 240v, single phase, 25amp... $4,000.
i would have gotten that if i knew it existed.. pretty nice
yea matt has had them for years too, one was at the old OGHQ. It needs 10ga atleast and a much bigger breaker.
So you plan on using an open gun? Cause the unloader does more then just set the pressure...
I plan on using a total stop pressure switch, but you bring your a good point for testing…
@@improvedgarageI have never actually seen one of those modules with the control gun in action. I assume any kind of delay or signal disruption would cause the pump to over pressure and get damaged without an unloader within a few rotations...
@@Ayestoseayou may be right. I’ll dig into it next week following your comments. I was under the impression the pump had the ability to bypass without the unloader, but re-read through the guide and see that is the case only for the variants with K in the name. If I need to add an external unloader I’ll do so.
It would be interesting to find out the reason why some have started to seek this sort of thing of seeking the highest gpm as possible. For washing cars anything in the 1.3 to 2.0gpm and 1500psi to 2500psi space is perfect for what we are trying to do. I’ve heard some people try and say they want higher gpm because it helps them clean so much faster. Yes, it might clean a little faster but the difference in time saved would be minuscule. Honestly, the cost to benefit ratio isn’t worth it.
2500psi is madness. We’re all using orifaces putting us in the 1000-1100psi range.
Also why not? I’m not unhappy with my kranzle k1322, but all of these new washers come out and they are no better than the last one. The active is the only one targeting high flow and it’s impossible to be in the same room with it while it’s running.
@ why are you wanting to be in such a low psi range of just 1000-1100psi? Both you and Pan seem to somehow like this low psi range? Also, your take on not being able to be in the same room as an active unite is a bit overblown since nobody will be standing right next to one when washing their car and even if they were the sound it makes isn’t the high pitched squealing sound other units tend to make.
@@WillieBeamin-t4vthe entire industry prefers this psi range. There is no reason to rip paint off of the car you’re trying to wash. Maybe if we were doing degreasing or heavy equipment washing or cleaning a driveway it would make sense to run more pressure but otherwise it’s an unnecessary risk.
@ the only way you’re going to be “ripping paint off” is if you’re holding the tip inches from the paint which no one should be doing in the first place. As long as the user possesses some level of common sense the psi ranges I states are perfectly fine and safe. I still don’t see why you believe it needs to be in such a low range? Also, id say it’s a bit premature to claim that the “entire industry” agrees and abides by this. Just because you see or hear people on social media do something doesn’t turn it into an entire industry. Just saying.
Paint may be able to tolerate higher pressures, but rubber gaskets and seals cannot.