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@OKreations could even use this as a way to steal or recruit new members if their journey ends up taking a dip. Maybe even get trainers who got their dreams destoryed for revenge. So many possibilities. Though you'd probably have to change the admins to be the ones who go around doing crazy stuff while he sticks in the gym
He wouldn't be the first that EVERY trainer faces first though. If you mean players, then yes, it'd be a GREAT twist. But it's been shown by both the show, and games that Gym Leaders have multiple teams. Each one is designed for how many badges a trainer has when they challenge the leader. So being the first leader, they use a 2 Pokemon team of first stage Pokemon. While a trainer with 6-7 badges would face a team with 4-5 pokemon of usually final stage Pokemon.
Fun fact according to early sketches... initially Sabrina was suppose to be the 8th Gym leader, hence why her first design shares alot in common with Cool Trainers, She's the ACE of Aces but due to memory limits and revisions, Giovanni got the 8th slot and the map never got its Viridian to Celadon bypass. Hence why she has the GOLD badge over everybody else normal color badges
The only change I would make after seeing Brock have a Ninetales is to then give Blaine Flareon instead so then you still have Ninetales but then get all 3 eeveelutions somewhere in all the battles cuz the way you have it here means one is left out and you have a duplicate pokemon while all the other pokemon are only used once (except for dragon and ghost due to such limited availability). Either way I think this is a great idea and look forward to how you’d do it for other regions (especially johto since there’s kanto involved with that I would assume). Thanks for the content 😁
Because Champion Brock is the last Pokémon you face before opening up the National Dex in this new Fire Red/Leaf Green, and Brock already has a Ninetales as a nod to the anime, I’d just go all-in on this Brock being “lore-accurate” and having Pokémon accumulated from his travels, as a teaser for what the player unlocks as a reward for beating him. This would allow Brock to have a more diverse team consisting of (for example) Ninetales, Swampert, Ludicolo, Crobat, Forretress, and Steelix (swapping out Swampert for Golem or Sudowoodo if you want to retain a rock for his original vibe). This lets Brock have the fire/water/grass core of the OG champion, plus a flyer, and two Pokémon that feel like real last bosses, tracking with Brock’s progression from a first-stop rock-type to a steel Champion. It also allows the final, most climactic fight of the game to not have four 4x grass-weak Pokémon that all have Solar Beam clicked on them after you helpfully set up the sun.
I loved this concept, and I'd like to see how you tackle other regions with this idea. I'd want to see what you would do in the scenarios that you end up with two gym leaders of the same type when reversed. (Lance and Clair, Wallace and Juan, Drayden and Iris)
Hear me out for a moment: give Lance a Horsea and a Dratini/Dragonair (whichever is fair) with Wrap, Water Pulse, Shock Wave and Icy Wind (Dratini/Dragonair learns both Shock Wave and Water Pulse by TM, and according to Serebii, Icy Wind by tutoring). It's fairly balanced for a second gym leader, and a callback to Clair and her three Dragonair with different coverage options, except Lance had to cram it all into one mon. (And yes, I know that Icy Wind is 55 power compared to Shock Wave and Water Pulse which is 60, but to my knowledge there is not a 60BP Ice move in gen 3, and also Icy Wind does not have a chance of freezing, which would be too much for a second gym leader).
Guess in this universe you go give the parcel to oak and pallet town has a dock to make it a mini adventure while Veridian Forest locks at the end to prevent new trainers from going to the last gym early Boat to the island and open up the world a lot sooner them end off exploring the mt moon area as a mini final challenge. It sounds like a good mod of pokemon Or a good idea for the next kanto remake
My only change is that i don't restrict myself to the region. in gen 2 you travel to kanto, so it is not impossible that the gym to travel to Jhoto. In addition, they show up in Black and white 2. Which gives them access to gen 5. Something the brought back during their travels. And since they are travellimg, tehy could have easily vistied, Hoenn, Sinnoh, or any other region. Borck may have been like Roark and got interested in fossils, buildinga team of fossil pokemon only. Kabuto, Lileep, Archen, Araura. In my rom hack Cranidos is now Fire./rock instead of just rock so he gets that too, but for no rom hacked pokemon, Shieldon or Tryunt. That is a team of 6. (Oh and i just want to say, Archen in my games also gets a buff and a nerf, nerfed stats but loses defeatist in place of rock head. Archeops as well)
For Brock's Onix since it'll never be a real threat powerwise I'd switch up it's moveset to focus on debuffs. Personally I'd go with sandstorm, wrap, mudslap and rock smash. Not strong but you can trap the enemy and ruin it's stats and widdle down their health with percent per turn rather than straight damage.
Tbh it would be awesome to see a 1st or 2nd gym leader that’s dragon type, since they almost always are reserved for late game. Barring the broken-ness of Dragon Rage lol. This is a great concept and awesome video man! Nice work.
You forgot to change the abilities of Blaine's new pokemon so Ninetales and Magmar have impossible abilities, but other than that, cool vid Also Dig was weaker in gen 3, iirc it had 60 base power. I used a Dugtrio on my most recent firered playthrough and Magnitude of all moves outclassed Dig because it was able to hit way harder
Woow! I'm like #151! That's as Kanto as you can get 👍 P.s. Love the vid! Always wanted to see what earlier Gyms would look if they were stronger. Thanks for your hard work!!!
You should also do rematches for E4 after Sevii Island:-) you can update Golbat to Crobat and maybe switch Tentacruel with Qwilfish or Vemomonth with Ariados. For Erika hou can add Bellossom instead of Tangela and maybe Jumploof. For Surge Lanturn would update his Team a lot. Misty would benefit from a Quagsire and maybe sth like Kingdra. For Brock evolve Onix to Steelix and add a Tyranitar:-)
Loving the video, but I have to say, I don't think it's a good idea for Agatha's gengar to know curse. That's just going to lead to it KOing itself most of the time.
You could have given Brock a Crobat and a Steelix tbh. Its the Champion and he should be the only one to got acces to johto evolutions. Its Fire Red after all! Maybe a cool idea is changing the Shadow Pokemon from Pokemon Colosseum!
Ideas for Gen 2: Lance: uhhh…. Best to go the Look like dragon types but are actually flying types for this one because dragon resists your starter and has no counters this early on. Spearow Fearow (I tried my best but these are the only dragon like Mon that are not OP) Karen: Murcrow Houndour And Umbreon. (I mean Umbreon might be a little Op But That was Basically Just bugsys Syther. Grass types be Dammed) Bruno: Machop (one of the mountain climbers before the 2nd gym have one) Heracross Koga: Golbat Koffing Qwilfish Crowbat Will: Executor Xatu (Couldn’t do much with chucks measly 2 Mon.) Clair: Okay now we can go dragon type. And there’s only 2 in the game…. Great…. Seadra Dragonair Gyrados Pryce: his team is the same I would just replace the seal with a sneasel. Jasmine: Magneton Skyarmory Scizor Stealix Yep… this was the best I could do for the final gym. Elite 4: chuck Primape Himon Chan Poliwarth Hitmontop Machamp (he has one in the anime) I swear this is very similar to Bruno’s team… THATS WHAT YA GET IF YOU HAVE 2 FIGHTING BOSS TRAINERS IN THE SAME GAME! Whitney: Clefable Chancy Tauros Noctowl Miltank. I tried to keep the farmer vibe from her team for this one. Morty: Okay…. How am I gonna make a team for a guy in a Gen that only has 2 ghost types…. That’s not just stealing from Agatha. Know what let’s also make him a dark trainer. Haunter Houndoom Misdreavous Gengar. This one might be balls off the walls but… Tyrantar… Bugsy: Scissor (His ace. Also Just know the rest of the aces are the last member) Fortress Venomoth Pincer Shuckle I didn’t give him heracross because that would steal from Bruno And lastly here’s our champion.. Falkner: I’m going to give him the toughest birds in the game Pidgeot Dodrio Aerodactyl (I mean it’s sort of a bird…) Xatu Magmar (I mean it’s not flying but it’s a birb) Dragonite (I know I said I was gonna only do birds BUT NAME A BIRD (not just a flying) POKÉMON THATS NOT A LEGENDARY AND IS NOT ALREADY ON THE LIST) Damm… I possibly made a final team that’s weaker than Wallace…. (Also if you want to use some of these teams. Go ahead. Just credit me. BECAUSE MY EGO IS A NEVER ENDING PARASITE THAT MUST BE SATIATED! Lol jk)
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Someone literally just did this video dude
Honestly Giovanni being girst gym leader would be perfect to hide who he is as a person by being the first guy trainers battle.
That's true, no one would suspect a thing!
@OKreations could even use this as a way to steal or recruit new members if their journey ends up taking a dip. Maybe even get trainers who got their dreams destoryed for revenge. So many possibilities.
Though you'd probably have to change the admins to be the ones who go around doing crazy stuff while he sticks in the gym
He wouldn't be the first that EVERY trainer faces first though.
If you mean players, then yes, it'd be a GREAT twist.
But it's been shown by both the show, and games that Gym Leaders have multiple teams. Each one is designed for how many badges a trainer has when they challenge the leader.
So being the first leader, they use a 2 Pokemon team of first stage Pokemon. While a trainer with 6-7 badges would face a team with 4-5 pokemon of usually final stage Pokemon.
Fun fact according to early sketches... initially Sabrina was suppose to be the 8th Gym leader, hence why her first design shares alot in common with Cool Trainers, She's the ACE of Aces but due to memory limits and revisions, Giovanni got the 8th slot and the map never got its Viridian to Celadon bypass. Hence why she has the GOLD badge over everybody else normal color badges
I love the explanations you give for each trainer as to why they moved! So creative!
Thanks so much! I’m glad you enjoyed that part! Gotta add a bit of flavor!
No, i never wandered what the Kanto gym leaders and elite four members would look like if their order was swapped
I think Lance SHOULD have a Horse, sure it's not a dragon-type.... yet. But it would pay homage to it being a water-type gym eventually!
Yeah Horsea would've been a fun pick! didn't think of that!
I know you meant Horsea but Lance as a knight felt so natural !
I like the idea of first gym leaders going "that's it, I'm taking over". Lol imagine Milo from Galar dethroning Leon.
The only change I would make after seeing Brock have a Ninetales is to then give Blaine Flareon instead so then you still have Ninetales but then get all 3 eeveelutions somewhere in all the battles cuz the way you have it here means one is left out and you have a duplicate pokemon while all the other pokemon are only used once (except for dragon and ghost due to such limited availability). Either way I think this is a great idea and look forward to how you’d do it for other regions (especially johto since there’s kanto involved with that I would assume). Thanks for the content 😁
that makes total sense to me good catch! Thanks so much! This will 100% be done for other regions I gotchu!
Haha the creepy old man peeping into Celadon gym & seeing Magic Mike.
It’d be so cool if in a Future Pokémon game, the team of the gym leader changes depending on how many badges you own
Ikr! They got so close with SV… they gotta do it for Gen 10!
Because Champion Brock is the last Pokémon you face before opening up the National Dex in this new Fire Red/Leaf Green, and Brock already has a Ninetales as a nod to the anime, I’d just go all-in on this Brock being “lore-accurate” and having Pokémon accumulated from his travels, as a teaser for what the player unlocks as a reward for beating him. This would allow Brock to have a more diverse team consisting of (for example) Ninetales, Swampert, Ludicolo, Crobat, Forretress, and Steelix (swapping out Swampert for Golem or Sudowoodo if you want to retain a rock for his original vibe). This lets Brock have the fire/water/grass core of the OG champion, plus a flyer, and two Pokémon that feel like real last bosses, tracking with Brock’s progression from a first-stop rock-type to a steel Champion. It also allows the final, most climactic fight of the game to not have four 4x grass-weak Pokémon that all have Solar Beam clicked on them after you helpfully set up the sun.
As someone who has used a parasect in a playthrough, this has happened to me many times 17:36
Johto reversed next?
I loved this concept, and I'd like to see how you tackle other regions with this idea. I'd want to see what you would do in the scenarios that you end up with two gym leaders of the same type when reversed. (Lance and Clair, Wallace and Juan, Drayden and Iris)
It's a nice touch that Brock has a pokemon with an egg move on it, because he was a breeder in the anime
the inspiration for 8th gym leader Sabrina: What if the scariest battle was even scarier?
We usually had long gotten Earthquake in Silph in the original when we fought Sabrina.
Blaine going back to Kanto just to see all of the other Gym Leaders, Elite 4, and Champion swapping with one another:
Hear me out for a moment: give Lance a Horsea and a Dratini/Dragonair (whichever is fair) with Wrap, Water Pulse, Shock Wave and Icy Wind (Dratini/Dragonair learns both Shock Wave and Water Pulse by TM, and according to Serebii, Icy Wind by tutoring). It's fairly balanced for a second gym leader, and a callback to Clair and her three Dragonair with different coverage options, except Lance had to cram it all into one mon.
(And yes, I know that Icy Wind is 55 power compared to Shock Wave and Water Pulse which is 60, but to my knowledge there is not a 60BP Ice move in gen 3, and also Icy Wind does not have a chance of freezing, which would be too much for a second gym leader).
Guess in this universe you go give the parcel to oak and pallet town has a dock to make it a mini adventure while Veridian Forest locks at the end to prevent new trainers from going to the last gym early
Boat to the island and open up the world a lot sooner them end off exploring the mt moon area as a mini final challenge. It sounds like a good mod of pokemon
Or a good idea for the next kanto remake
I like that idea a lot!
My only change is that i don't restrict myself to the region. in gen 2 you travel to kanto, so it is not impossible that the gym to travel to Jhoto. In addition, they show up in Black and white 2. Which gives them access to gen 5. Something the brought back during their travels.
And since they are travellimg, tehy could have easily vistied, Hoenn, Sinnoh, or any other region.
Borck may have been like Roark and got interested in fossils, buildinga team of fossil pokemon only. Kabuto, Lileep, Archen, Araura. In my rom hack Cranidos is now Fire./rock instead of just rock so he gets that too, but for no rom hacked pokemon, Shieldon or Tryunt. That is a team of 6.
(Oh and i just want to say, Archen in my games also gets a buff and a nerf, nerfed stats but loses defeatist in place of rock head. Archeops as well)
For Brock's Onix since it'll never be a real threat powerwise I'd switch up it's moveset to focus on debuffs. Personally I'd go with sandstorm, wrap, mudslap and rock smash. Not strong but you can trap the enemy and ruin it's stats and widdle down their health with percent per turn rather than straight damage.
Tbh it would be awesome to see a 1st or 2nd gym leader that’s dragon type, since they almost always are reserved for late game. Barring the broken-ness of Dragon Rage lol. This is a great concept and awesome video man! Nice work.
Thanks so much! Yeah I think Dragon Rage would be insane especially in gym 1, i should TOTALLY give it to Lance in Johto lol
I am very confused about the move dig here. The reference point seems to be Gen 3, but in Gen 3 Dig didn‘t have 80 BP, but only 60 BP instead.
You forgot to change the abilities of Blaine's new pokemon so Ninetales and Magmar have impossible abilities, but other than that, cool vid
Also Dig was weaker in gen 3, iirc it had 60 base power. I used a Dugtrio on my most recent firered playthrough and Magnitude of all moves outclassed Dig because it was able to hit way harder
Got to go to sleep, but still watching
Classic Sije
Agatha was never meant to be a sole ghost leader. She was always on the poison/ghost/creepy-archetype.
Finally a new video it was all worth it to wait even if it is 2 months ago also how long was it to think of these things
Woohoo! Took me about a month to put the video together, from start to finish! I have another video that I'm about halfway through on the edit for!
I think Let's Go had thr best Gym Rosters for Kanto:-) only complain I has was double Gengar on Agatha
Woow! I'm like #151!
That's as Kanto as you can get 👍
P.s. Love the vid! Always wanted to see what earlier Gyms would look if they were stronger. Thanks for your hard work!!!
Heck yeah! I’m glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching!
You should also do rematches for E4 after Sevii Island:-) you can update Golbat to Crobat and maybe switch Tentacruel with Qwilfish or Vemomonth with Ariados. For Erika hou can add Bellossom instead of Tangela and maybe Jumploof. For Surge Lanturn would update his Team a lot. Misty would benefit from a Quagsire and maybe sth like Kingdra. For Brock evolve Onix to Steelix and add a Tyranitar:-)
Loving the video, but I have to say, I don't think it's a good idea for Agatha's gengar to know curse. That's just going to lead to it KOing itself most of the time.
I really like this idea, please do this with other regions
Will do! Glad you enjoyed!
this would be so scary for trainers to see with gen two and three
Who are the first gym leaders?
dragon expert Lance
steel expert Steven Stone
I like this! You should do it for more regions!
Will do!
Id definitely watch fixing Antagonist Team Bosses
Pls do a Shorts version for the Elite Four National Dex Rematch pls pls pls
Love to hear it! That’s a great idea!
New lore moment 😮
Ikrrr
You could have given Brock a Crobat and a Steelix tbh. Its the Champion and he should be the only one to got acces to johto evolutions. Its Fire Red after all!
Maybe a cool idea is changing the Shadow Pokemon from Pokemon Colosseum!
I like the suggestion! But for me, It wouldn't make sense to use johto evos here until post game.
If you wanted Blue to have type specialty you could give him an eevee instead of starter as Eevee has been a starter for him before in Yellow
Wow that’s a genius idea!
How do you make these "team sheets" that you use in your videos?
I design them in Figma!
Ninetales doesn't have intimidate.
8:59 Says "Shell Armor". Shows "Water Absorb".
Oops! I meant to change it to Shell Armor! Good callout!
You mentioned Shell Armor on Laptas yet the picture shows Water Absorb.
Yeahhhh my b! Forgot to change that one! Good catch!
lvl 21 dragonair, perfectly reasonable. Also you could have given Sabrina Exeggutor over Kadabra if you wanted another psychic type.
That’s fair! I wanted to stay away from doubling up as much as possible, so I wanted to save Exeggutor for Erika!
Will we see more of these for the different regions?
Yup! New series! Planning on doing this as well as the fixing series!
great idea
Ideas for Gen 2:
Lance: uhhh…. Best to go the Look like dragon types but are actually flying types for this one because dragon resists your starter and has no counters this early on.
Spearow
Fearow
(I tried my best but these are the only dragon like Mon that are not OP)
Karen:
Murcrow
Houndour
And Umbreon.
(I mean Umbreon might be a little Op But That was Basically Just bugsys Syther. Grass types be Dammed)
Bruno:
Machop (one of the mountain climbers before the 2nd gym have one)
Heracross
Koga:
Golbat
Koffing
Qwilfish
Crowbat
Will:
Executor
Xatu
(Couldn’t do much with chucks measly 2 Mon.)
Clair: Okay now we can go dragon type. And there’s only 2 in the game…. Great….
Seadra
Dragonair
Gyrados
Pryce: his team is the same I would just replace the seal with a sneasel.
Jasmine:
Magneton
Skyarmory
Scizor
Stealix
Yep… this was the best I could do for the final gym.
Elite 4: chuck
Primape
Himon Chan
Poliwarth
Hitmontop
Machamp (he has one in the anime)
I swear this is very similar to Bruno’s team… THATS WHAT YA GET IF YOU HAVE 2 FIGHTING BOSS TRAINERS IN THE SAME GAME!
Whitney:
Clefable
Chancy
Tauros
Noctowl
Miltank.
I tried to keep the farmer vibe from her team for this one.
Morty:
Okay…. How am I gonna make a team for a guy in a Gen that only has 2 ghost types…. That’s not just stealing from Agatha. Know what let’s also make him a dark trainer.
Haunter
Houndoom
Misdreavous
Gengar.
This one might be balls off the walls but…
Tyrantar…
Bugsy:
Scissor (His ace. Also Just know the rest of the aces are the last member)
Fortress
Venomoth
Pincer
Shuckle
I didn’t give him heracross because that would steal from Bruno
And lastly here’s our champion..
Falkner:
I’m going to give him the toughest birds in the game
Pidgeot
Dodrio
Aerodactyl (I mean it’s sort of a bird…)
Xatu
Magmar (I mean it’s not flying but it’s a birb)
Dragonite (I know I said I was gonna only do birds BUT NAME A BIRD (not just a flying) POKÉMON THATS NOT A LEGENDARY AND IS NOT ALREADY ON THE LIST)
Damm… I possibly made a final team that’s weaker than Wallace….
(Also if you want to use some of these teams. Go ahead. Just credit me. BECAUSE MY EGO IS A NEVER ENDING PARASITE THAT MUST BE SATIATED! Lol jk)
I want this game, make it!
Already on it!
I would've given Lance a Horsea instead of Dratini:-)
Fair enough!
Johto would be insteresting
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I think Let's Go had thr best Gym Rosters for Kanto:-) only complain I has was double Gengar on Agatha