One of these kind of scenarios I always see is 'What if Spain joined Germany' either in WW1 or WW2. Turns out in any case, Spain just gets their ass kicked.
Kinda like Ww2 What if For an Example What if Germany Won Stalingrad What if Germany Captured Moscow What if Japan Won Midway Some of Them sounds like They Win WW2 But it’s Not because the Germans and Japanese Just Can’t Win
@KobeRogers-vw8nx What if Germany invaded the UK What if Germany invaded Switzerland and Liechtenstein Both of these would still end up with Germany losing
I could name at least 10 countries that need a what if everything went perfectly way more than Italy there is Somalia, turkey,spain,Russia modern,Iran,Canada, Japan, France, Egypt modern,Indonesia
If Mehmed failed in his gamble to take Constantinople, he would possibly be deposed due to such a catastrophic failure. The conquest of Constantinople is what proved to everyone he was capable of ruling, since before the siege many of his subordinates were against going to war with the Romans.
Thats just the prequel triology again. Even with darth vader getting crippled on mustafar which wasnt planned for by sidious but ensured that vader couldnt overthrow sidious basically immidiately
Yup, i agree, but even then , most of the knowledge there was copied back, and it was aleady in a decline era at the time, it was just way more of an event
@@minestar2247 Yes so much was lost way way more then with Alexandria because they hadn't copied as much because of how humongous the amount of knowledge was in there and it's purpose was to hold all the knowledge In the world so even knowledge that was complicated to copy was stored their in waiting
I'm fond of the Idea "What if Napoleon 2 lived into his old age". He would have had a decent chance to take Power in France and as Emperor have a good Relationship with the Hapbsburgs. This could have had the potential to deter Bismark to go for the German unification play.
"What if Charles Martel lost at the battle of Poitiers" is one I see pointed at as a total game changer when it wasn't even the most important Christian victory in the previous fifteen years
What if everything went perfect for Mongol Empire. | Edit: it was "all went perfect" earlier. What if everything went perfect for Napoleon sequel. | Viewers vote on balcan borders. Minor territorial goals of major axis nations in WWII (like Germany taking thessalonica). Edit: And, maybe, major goals too.
Having the stuff from the library would be great for historians to know more about ancient times. Many stuff cited in different texts, are lost because they were stored there. But most stuff is lost by time and not by this one fire.
@isaacskinner5565even if he kept winning, eventually he would just be bled dry, losing men at every battle until he just had none left. Literally all of Europe wanted him dead, a few lost battles weren’t going to cow them, they would just keep coming at him until eventually Napoleon would either surrender, or get killed on the field
13:11 You’re leaving out a lot of other variables that could alter the situation. Let’s set aside the disease issue for now, but that would likely be the biggest change. First, if there is a population able to sustain itself (say, 1,000), then the population can continue. So already, even if the colony doesn’t grow much, it is there, in the first place. Next, it would presumably have at least some of the Old World agricultural package. Crops and livestock that the New World wouldn’t encounter for another 500 years. Chickens, sheep, cattle, horses, pigs… introducing just one of these to the New World utterly changes everything. The larger animals, as beasts or burden and/or mounts, revolutionize their societies (or gives the Vinlanders a huge edge over the natives). Second, the general technological package. Writing, metallurgy, wheels, shipbuilding etc. Introducing that into the New World centuries early also changes a lot. Not to mention the cultural impact. And, finally, let us just assume that the colony just holds on, and is just a single reasonably sizable settlement that is still recognizable when the age of Exploration kicks off centuries later. The English explorers discover the colony, and aside from some interesting stories “oh look, the Vikings made it out this far!” Somebody in Northern Europe is going to say “well, this means we were here first, so we obviously have the best claim to this entire region.”
Yeah, PH ignores the fact that the St-Laurence valley isn't a frozen wasteland like Greenland or Iceland and that it would easily be able to sustain an independently growing population. Plagues probably wouldn't spread from Europe but with livestock animals and much larger settelments the new world migth end up having its own major plagues that could make the plague exchange also hurt Europe.
I think that the most interesting impact Vinland could have on the world is the introduction of advanced metallurgy to the Americas, as it's easy to sell military innovations to a tribe looking to one up their rivals. And more over it would be fascinating to explore whether the tribes who adopted this advanced practice would continue their migratory lifestyle or begin to migrate to a set collection of areas with access to the resources they need or give it up entirely. It would also be incredibly funny to see native American tribes adopt the writing style of Norway.
I completely disagree about Vinland. Norway had fewer than 200 000 inhabitants during the early Middle age. In 150 years from the first settlements on Iceland to the year 1000, the Norse population in Iceland, of whom almost all came from tiny Norway, grew to around 60 000 people. That is a remarkable speed of settlement concidering how small the original population was. A remarkable amount of people who were willing to sail straight into the raging North Atlantic with hopes of a better life on a subarctic island. Also a remarkable speed of procreation once they arrived in Iceland. After this initial population boom noone cared about settling Iceland because Iceland was full. The following centuries consisted of a series of civil wars. All useful land was settled, there was no more territory to expand into. The fact that anyone even tried to settle Greenland shows that quite a lot of people were indeed desperate to migrate from both of these situations. Had there been a realistic chance to settle Vinland or Nova Scotia there was ample potential both from Iceland to find people both willing to take the chance and have plenty of kids once a new area full of resources was available to them. This simply didnt happen because of the military capacity of the indigenous population. New Foundland is very mountainous and would be extremely difficult to take over in its entirety even for a large mediveal war fleet. The whole thing could have been dramatically different if for example the indigenous people on Vinland would have caught the flu from the Norse and perished or fled. The settlers could have marketed the new land as safe (temporarily) to land hungry Icelanders and there could have been larger settlement projects. Perhaps on better suited islands such as Prince Edward's Island. Had this been successful enough, rumor of the new lands would eventually spread to Northern Europe. Especially If the first settlers grow wealthy and start demanding more trade and imports from Europe. Again, there was considerable potential for migration, had they been able to gain a foot hold. Another thing is that the smallpox that existed in Europe during mediveal age was of a different strand than the one who we know from the 15th century up to its eradication in 1979. The mediveal variety might very well have had a much lower deadlyness, perhaps more like variola minor than major. So if the Native Americans had gotten that strand several centuries before the contact with the modern form, perhaps their survival rate would have been much higher and history would have taken a wildly different turn. Anyhow. Shortage of daring, land hungry Scandinavians willing to brave the Ocean was the least of the reason why Vinland never came to be.
Yeah that one kind of blindsided me, but also was the reason why I clicked on the video. It's a scenario I absolutely think would be interesting to explore, whereas the others are indeed disappointingly boring.
@@maelys8851Vinland is a perfect scenario for counterfactual scenarios. It is one of those times when the outfall of one small, local coincidence might have had huge impacts on World history. I for my would love to know how it would have impacted the developement of Europe during the Middle ages but also how cultures in North America would have developed. North America up to the 11th century consisted mostly of hunter gatherers with some horticulture (vegetables). When Leif Eriksson reaches Vinland, maize growing is just beginning to spread up through the Mississippi delta. So the mediveal age in Eastern USA would be cows, horses, sheep, iron and some European influences coming from the North East and maize, three sisters and Mesoamerican culture coming from the South. I am sure the Europeans would eventually start sailing down to Mexico, in time.
Supposedly, Brazil was offered an occupation zone in Austria, but brazilian president Getúlio Vargas refused, the ocupation would be very expensive and it would be better for the country if the soldiers just returned
Fun fact: The race to berlin was less "which allied power got first?" and more "Which Soviet general got first?" Edit: I wrote the comment 15 seconds before you mentioned the exact same thing. Still gonna leave it here for the algorithm.
@gegecry Yeah I agree. The only way the allies could’ve gotten to Berlin first would be through a negotiated settlement with the Germans - or at least some backdoor shenanigans with their leadership. At any rate the Germans definitely would’ve preferred Berlin falling to the UK/US than the USSR - as history shows.
What if the Kingdom of Denmark did care about the colonies they inherited as the Kalmar Union? Kalmar Union is definitely one of the most interesting time periods of Nordic history to me so I would actually like to see if something would come of this or if it'll end up like the scenario mentioned here.
*i collected some cool scenarios from r/possiblehistory* what if the arabs took constantinople? what if everything went perfect for japan in ww2? what if everything went perfect for albania? *and i also created my own* what if italy was the main player in ww2? what if hitler fled to argentina and took over the government? what if capitalist democrats rebelled instead of communists in russia? what if prc invaded taiwan and the roc stayed in hainan? what if russia stayed communist after the collpase of the ussr? what if russia went democratic and joined nato? what if ww1 was reenacted in ww2 (roleplaying like ww2&1 in modern day) what if russia got more of america? what if non-aligned movement won the cold war? what if napoleon went to italy after elba and built an empire there?
Italy would lose. Hitler would get nuked. They did. Then the communists revolted against them. Then the PRC would simply cross the very indefensible crossing. Collapse economically. They tried, were barred. ... what? They would sell it off anyways after Crimean war Not. Actually possible Then the British, Austrians, and Russians would march into Italy Pick better scenarios.
I mostly agree with your Vinland analysis. I still believe it could have a large impact, but it would take a lot of unlikely circumstances and coincidences for it to happen.
Honestly, great points! My only peave is with Waterloo as nearly all nation (outside of Russia) were really ready to throw in the towel, especially britain, after the end of the napoleonic war. Quite a bit of british propaganda helped smooth the fact that after the first defeat of napoleon, it took meer days for the entire british public to stop occupations, stop all the massive spending and more like a cork from a bottle. Sure those ideas where somewhat supressed after Napoleon return, but if Waterloo is another costy defeat, their is a non zero chance for the british public to force the british parliament's hand unless they quickly find a way to deal with napoleon. I know you're kindof suffering CGP gray syndrome here where all the "experts" suddenly appear after you stopped your researched, but I advise you to see historia civilis videos on the the congress of Vienna if you hadn't has well as the work he cited on his video. There, it showed a side not much said on the napoleonic wars where britain was much more on the backfoot than it ever dare claim itself to risk it's prestige hurt greatly. Anyway i'll stop rambling, great work once again!
The suggestion "What if FDR survived until the end of WW2" is actually an interesting one, since it could possibly lead to an alternate Vietnam War, as FDR was not favorable to the French and the US had favorable communications with Ho Chi Minh up until the end of WW2. I'm not saying this would end up with the US siding with the Rebellion or that the US wouldn't send France material support. However, opinions were already mixed on supporting an imperialistic reconquest of a colony, so a delay in support could very well happen, because of the president's persistence.
That last scenario could be an interesting one to explore if, say, for whatever reason, Norway rejected being a part of the Kalmar Union, causing a retaliatory war from Sweden and Denmark, thus forcing many a Norwegian to flee to Iceland, Greenland, and Vinland (or something along those lines)
12:32 the Vinland scenario is much better if you think of it from the lens of what if Cnut the great were able to solidify his North see empire. The north see trade stagnated after the vikings lost the foothold in england and the loss of trade doomed the vinland and later greenland colonies. In that scenario the colonies would slowly expand and be in great position in the age of exploration
I feel like the scenario "What if the Soviet won the Winter war," because. . . They did? It may not have been the crushing victory they wanted, but they still won, and even if they had, they would have had to deal with an insurgence
To be very clear about the library of Alexandria, one thing we know they had in there. A writing of the solar system as a Heliocentric model. This is among what was lost, somewhere along the way. The idea that we just magically preserved all the best knowledge is not true, we preserved the most culturally relevant knowledge at any given time. And lost probably the most revolutionary piece the library had.
What if, instead of toppling the Persians and stalemating the Byzantines, the early Arab conquests had stalemates the Persians and toppled the Byzantines?
The one thing about the last scenario is the Wabanaki and Iroquois confederacy. Even if only they gain immunity to disease, it would mean that they would be a buffer to british/american expansion west. Furthermore, with the introduction of domesticated animals, it would make it easier to expand more than they did in OT and would result in a higher population density and maybe even cities (as domesticated animals tend to help with civalization growth).
What if Bavaria united Germany? I don't know if it's quite possible, but Bavaria was fairly strong, and if Prussia was crippled in previous wars and they found strong allies it could possibly happen?
I have a 4 part series idea: 1. What if the Reconquista failed to retake Iberia? 2. What if the Crusades succeeded in taking Jerusalem (and also Anatolia)? 3. What if King John I became Muslim? 4. What if Muslims colonized the Americas? If you can't guess what this multipart scenario is it's "What if the west became Muslim instead of the East" It could just be the one but you wouldn't be able to tell all the differences with the simple title.
Really. There are many scenarios that, on paper, seem to be very good, but in practice they are not that great, or simply won't really change anything in the end.
Fantastic video, can’t think of more ideas that don’t matter but you should definitely make a sequel and an earlier Age of Exploration scenario (maybe from a different origin?)
I *very badly* misread the thumbnail and thought there was going to be a very interesting scenario about Berlin becoming a US exclave city-state rather than join West or East Germany. :V
A point on the battle of waterloo scenario. The coalition was gathering an army with combined numbers of a million men, the anglo-prussian army was originally intended to stall while this grand coalition army was gathering. For comparison, the French army at waterloo was less than 100 000. The fact that Napoleon even had this was a miracle conjured up by Davout, there is no way Napoleon could mobilize an army big enough to match the coalition.
What if "The Yalta Conference Happened much later on" Edit: Ok so I got another idea: what if "Napoleon Won at Waterloo but with the help of Blücher aiding the british" IK it is unrealistic at another level but still what if...
*Video idea___ What if may constitution failed to pass in plc parliament. At first it may appear as another scenario which changes nothing but 1’st it removes two last partitions so plc survives a Russian vassal 2’nd the war against the constitution removed a lot of Prussian/hre forces from French front so without it with bigger force’s fighting against revolutionary forces in 1792 the French Revolution might have been crushed. So it’s more of a “what if French Revolution got crushed in 1792” scenario. With Revolution falling before it’s ideas spread through most of Europe with plc surviving as Russian vassal as a bonus.
And a reminder to PH not about the unimpactfull scenerios but you said in the What if history went perfect for Poland episode. You said that the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get it's video some day and as a Polish person I'm waiting... And what if Alexander The Great didn't die so young 🌝 Btw congrats on almost 200k
I absolutely do want a part two. I really love how your videos are nuanced and don't rely on historical anecdotes or stereotypes (it always surprises me how many people on the internet, even some content creators, have such a superficial view of history, something like 'rome good turk bad' or 'the soviet army was a horde of mindless marauders and rapists that were leaving nothing behind' lol)
One minor interesting thing about the first bit is that it probably would've taken long enough for fat man or little boy to be ready. It would've been Berlin that was nuked first, then japan.
There I one thing I want to see even if it is high and realistic, what if the German leadership put down their anti-Communist or was less radical against it and allied with the Soviets versus the western powers?
Here’s some ideas for you: What if France was punished after WW2? What if Texas remained Independent? Viewer Vote on the Balkan Borders post 1st Balkan War
What if Germany had taken Moscow in WW2: While maybe possible in an ideal scenario for the Germans, it wouldn’t have changed much other than the even greater human suffering. Russia would still have so mich land left, that there was no need for surrender and they would have bounced back in more or less the same way as in our timeline. The reality is that there was no way for Germany to win WW2, this wasn’t a land grab but an existential threat to the Russian people, they would have fought to the death and with the massive territory and Human ressources of Russia, they would have come out on top eventually
What if the Decembrists won in 1825? Can you please consider two scenarios separately (the victory of the Northern and Southern societies). P.S. I apologize for the slightly clumsy translation.
I think that a scenario you could talk about is about the infamous Armada Invencible. It's defeat has traditionally been seen as a monumental disaster and an important point in British history, but when you think about it, a Spanish success would probably end quite badly, just opening another front. Maybe it's just because I don't know the period all that well, but I would like it if you thought about it
the loss of the library of alexandria is lot more interesting in terms of its cultural impact than the more concrete knowledge it contained - the number of plays, stories, commentaries and other pieces of ancient literature that we have fragments of or references to which might have had decently-preserved copies in the library would be very high, and the chances of them being copied and distributed like the ones that we do still have as the centuries passed was lost when it burnt down.
I have always wondered why viking contact with native americans DIDN'T result in the mass desease epidemic in the America's. But i can't find any research papers on it. Are there any serious theories about that?
Tbh i kinda like a potential vinland settlement being tiny and not having much if any contact with europe cooler. Like some small differences in culture and religion for the people in the area via that connection. Not changing much but its there.
For the next time use What if Germany won at Stalingrad. It is absolutely indifferent, as both sides lost many soldiers there, which unlike the Soviet Union Germany couldnt really replace. Also not only did Germany by that point have a good synthetic oil production, so they wouldnt really need the oil fields that much, as they needed it when the offencive was decided and it thus wouldnt help the slightest bit with Germanys war effort. Not to mention, that even if victorious at Stalingrad, there is no way in which the Germans would not only reach the oil fields, but actually take them, since they would be supplied through Iran, or even blown up if worst comes to worst. The only thing that this might do is to take the oil from the soviets, thus maybe slowing them down a bit. But even that is stretching it
Going to very strongly disagree with your Vikings in Canada point for the following reasons: 1. Vinland doesn't need to be the end of things, I think a more interesting scenario is if the Vikings expanded their exploration into the Gulf of St Lawrence and down the river, as well as the American east coast. If they did this, they would quickly find a series of waterways that are very easy to exploit with their technology and lead to lands and opportunities vastly beyond what their frozen hovels in Greenland and Iceland were capable of. The economic opportunity here is evident I think, there's a lot of trading that can happen through the St Lawrence river valley, hell it was already happening among the native people, we're essentially talking about access to the goods of the entire northern half of North America, going into the greats lakes which themselves are just a stones throw from the Mississippi river and then the Caribbean, the potential opportunity here is vast. The Vikings were already as much traders as raiders, though of course they know these don't have to be mutually exclusive, if a solid trading base was established in Newfoundland, or better, somewhere further south like Prince Edward Island or the current location of Montreal, they could potentially make a lot of money, have large influence on local politics, and draw in a lot more Norse settlers and soldiers to consolidate and expand. Note that all of these things happened in places like Ireland or Kievan Rus. 2. As mentioned the climate is just better in Canada or the east coast, Viking settlers would have a far easier time creating a sustainable agricultural colony somewhere around here than they did in the frozen wastes of Iceland and Greenland they actually settled. Those old settlements might instead be more important as waypoints to much more liveable North America. There doesn't even have to be much top down colonialism from the kingdoms in Scandinavia, they didn't really need that to start their colonial ventures around the Viking world already where trade, loot, good land and avoiding the long arm of the law was motivation enough for many Viking adventurers to get going from Ireland, to Russia, to Greenland. If there is an established, economically successful colony in the New World, Greenland and Iceland only need to be the initial source of the population, people could quickly be drawn in from across Northern Europe when it becomes clear that there's money and people to exploit here. Hell, this might also stimulate further advances in naval technology to make the journey faster and easier. 3. The Kalmar union will have little to do with this, for one it took place in 1397, almost 400 years after the initial discovery of America. The butterfly effect from a successful north American trading colony established centuries beforehand are so dramatic to be almost impossible to predict, maybe the political situation leading to the union won't even exist as a result and it just never happens. Maybe Norway creates a north Atlantic trade empire built around exploiting these American trade routes, potentially enriching the nation and shifting the economic centre further north and west. Maybe the British or French kingdoms get interested and drawn in as well, in the same way they did when the Spanish and Portuguese started their colonial ventures. Maybe direct political control from Europe withers over time and the Viking colonies become essentially independent or create a hybrid society with the local people (similar to Ireland and Russia). 4. Even if the North American venture is a complete failure for the Vikings and crumbles in less than a hundred years, this can still have revolutionary effects on America. If they bring over just a single herd of horses and the Native people notice that the Europeans are riding them, that could facilitate their capture and the dissemination of horses across the Americas, which we know had massive, and extremely rapid, effects on the Americas in real life, without much need for direct European intervention with the introduction of Spanish horses into the Americas from the 1500s onward. In our timeline this completely revolutionized warfare and the entire mode of life for a lot of Native people, especially in the great plains, which could mean that the next group of European settlers or conquerors could expect to find a very different reality if the empires of Mexico or wherever had a contingent of cavalry too. That says nothing then about the new awareness of people from across the ocean can have on native American societies, and the spread of other new technology and crops from the Vikings even if they were only there for a short amount of time. Advanced metal working for example, you could have iron technology spread across the Americas and further level the playing field, as well as useful crops like wheat and other animals like sheep or pigs. Again, this is so impactful if it did happen it becomes impossible to predict any further, even if Europe in general just ignores America after this . 5. Just a thing to note, but the disease point is actually a bit controversial, I know that a lot of historians increasingly think that the spread of the diseases that did so much damage to the Native American populations has been misunderstood badly as an inevitabilty that would have cleared out America no matter what, but this ignores the existing European colonial policies that exacerbated and worsened things and helped contribute to population collapse after contact had already happened, things like the relentless low level warfare between Europeans and natives with lots of slave raiding and displacement of natives weakened them and made them more vulnerable to disease, and in addition to that you had the relentlessly exploitative and unsustainable economic policies of the Spanish with things like the Encomienda system basically turning natives into a slave population to be exploited ruthlessly, this has also been linked to exacerbating the effects of these diseases. Additionally, especially in Mexico, the biggest killer actually doesn't seem to be smallpox or measles, its a mysterious disease called Cocoliztli, that might actually be a native disease where the conditions of colonial Mexico caused it to sweep through the population. If it is the case that disease is more of a side effect of colonialism this could have huge ramifications in a world where its less likely that the Europeans can enforce their will on a Native population. That's on top of the fact that if the European diseases are introduced earlier by a country like Norway less capable of large scale conquest, centuries early with less impactful technology they can exploit, then the Natives will have longer to build up resistance to the new pathogens. Altogether, again this can vastly change the outcome of history even if Viking colonial attempts are only slightly more successful and long lasting.
Huge agree. Not sure how anyone could think a long-term vinland colony just isn't interesting. Huge societal, technological and even political consequences for the native americans.
Something i have been wondering is if east Prussia was reduced to the size it is now (Kaliningrad oblast) but was not annexed by the USSR but was an independent nation that is mostly isolated
Vinland would have an impact as this would lead to a period of prolonged trade with Europe leading to the introduction of a few new technologies. Like you only need two of s kind of livestock to form a herd. Imagine if they got horses before 1500?
a lot of valuable things were lost in the burning of the library of Alexandria, which we know about today only because they are referenced in other works Mantheo's history of the kings of Egypt Euclid's Geometry of a Sphere (which, based purely on the title, would have introduced non-Euclidean geometry 2000 years early) The second part of Aristotle's Poetics, where he discusses Comedy (we only have his analysis of Tragedy) And this is only a sample
Betting that "What if everything went Perfect for Italy" is in this video
Imagine he put this in this series
Sci fi is always interesting
@@nicocola284 hahahaha, great comment, thanks
@@TheKaiserofeurope Omg the Kaiser is back
Which Italy? The one pre-WWI, Mussolini's Italy or any of the Italian city states before unification?
One of these kind of scenarios I always see is 'What if Spain joined Germany' either in WW1 or WW2. Turns out in any case, Spain just gets their ass kicked.
I think he already did that.
Kinda like Ww2 What if
For an Example
What if Germany Won Stalingrad
What if Germany Captured Moscow
What if Japan Won Midway
Some of Them sounds like They Win WW2
But it’s Not because the Germans and Japanese Just Can’t Win
Blue division
@KobeRogers-vw8nx What if Germany invaded the UK
What if Germany invaded Switzerland and Liechtenstein
Both of these would still end up with Germany losing
@@zebra1327oh yeah, those mountain forts look so enticing to invade. Guy’s, trust me warfare in the alps is going to be so fun.
He did this before "What if everything went perfect for Italy"!!
"every went"?
I could name at least 10 countries that need a what if everything went perfectly way more than Italy there is Somalia, turkey,spain,Russia modern,Iran,Canada, Japan, France, Egypt modern,Indonesia
He's going to finish without doing it and then he's going to start "what if everything went terrible for x" and start with italy
Ok but what if everything went left For italy
What if Constantinople didn’t fall in 1453, if it didn’t fall then and there, the ottomans would have just taken it in 1454
But what if it didn't fall in 1454???
Tirant lo blanc: “They would do WHAT?!”
In going to be honest, the ore I have learnt about the siege, the more I believe there is a pretty good chance it would have not fallen 1453
If Mehmed failed in his gamble to take Constantinople, he would possibly be deposed due to such a catastrophic failure. The conquest of Constantinople is what proved to everyone he was capable of ruling, since before the siege many of his subordinates were against going to war with the Romans.
@CreamTheEverythingFixer it would stay a minor city state subordinate to the ottoman empire, until it gets sacked or conquered
What if everything went PERFECT for Chancellor Sheev Palpatine?
The galaxy would be glorious
Thats just the prequel triology again. Even with darth vader getting crippled on mustafar which wasnt planned for by sidious but ensured that vader couldnt overthrow sidious basically immidiately
What if everything Anakin Skywalker had high ground?
It already did
What if anakin skywalker was senator of tatoine instead of a jedi
Bro really though he could hide this video from us
yeah, we are too powerful
yea
How is bro 9 hours early?
@Miaucraft25 yea it's weird
@@Miaucraft25 it might have been unlisted in a playlist for a bit and only just made public now
Bro thought he could hide
In the playlist
Huh
What
8:15 the true devastation was the destruction of the librarie of Bagdad by the Mongols
That library was also a translation library, there were many.
Yup, i agree, but even then , most of the knowledge there was copied back, and it was aleady in a decline era at the time, it was just way more of an event
@@minestar2247 Yes so much was lost way way more then with Alexandria because they hadn't copied as much because of how humongous the amount of knowledge was in there and it's purpose was to hold all the knowledge In the world so even knowledge that was complicated to copy was stored their in waiting
It was the final nail in the coffin, instead of the first plank of the lid
Still irrelevant
POSSIBLE HISTORY!! HEAR ME!! REMOVE THE FIRST APOSTROPHE FROM THE TITLE AT ONCE, BEFORE OTHERS NOTICE!! THANK YOU!!
Thanks for bringing my attention to it
Yes, I was thinking that right when I clicked the video too 😭
pls remove
still hasn't done it ):
what
I'm fond of the Idea "What if Napoleon 2 lived into his old age".
He would have had a decent chance to take Power in France and as Emperor have a good Relationship with the Hapbsburgs. This could have had the potential to deter Bismark to go for the German unification play.
"What if Charles Martel lost at the battle of Poitiers" is one I see pointed at as a total game changer when it wasn't even the most important Christian victory in the previous fifteen years
What if everything went perfect for Mongol Empire. | Edit: it was "all went perfect" earlier.
What if everything went perfect for Napoleon sequel. |
Viewers vote on balcan borders.
Minor territorial goals of major axis nations in WWII (like Germany taking thessalonica). Edit: And, maybe, major goals too.
what if we balcan't fix the "balcans" 😔
Plus mughal empire too. I got the lore.
It's EVERYTHING, not ALL.
Balkans*
Like, "what if all went perfect" sounds so wrong. But replace "all" with "everything", and it sounds infinitely better. It's the actual spelling, too.
Having the stuff from the library would be great for historians to know more about ancient times. Many stuff cited in different texts, are lost because they were stored there.
But most stuff is lost by time and not by this one fire.
Plot Twist: It was mostly erotic literature.
But survived and didn’t burn down isn’t the same thing, his point is that it was on the way out anyway-
10:50 but what if Napoleon won that alternate battle.
They would lose the next one. France simply didn't have the manpower, in experience or numbers, to keep fighting.
He can't, he would lose too many men.
@@matthiuskoenig3378what if he just kept winning?
@isaacskinner5565even if he kept winning, eventually he would just be bled dry, losing men at every battle until he just had none left. Literally all of Europe wanted him dead, a few lost battles weren’t going to cow them, they would just keep coming at him until eventually Napoleon would either surrender, or get killed on the field
@ Yes, but what if he just kept winning?
13:11 You’re leaving out a lot of other variables that could alter the situation. Let’s set aside the disease issue for now, but that would likely be the biggest change.
First, if there is a population able to sustain itself (say, 1,000), then the population can continue. So already, even if the colony doesn’t grow much, it is there, in the first place.
Next, it would presumably have at least some of the Old World agricultural package. Crops and livestock that the New World wouldn’t encounter for another 500 years. Chickens, sheep, cattle, horses, pigs… introducing just one of these to the New World utterly changes everything. The larger animals, as beasts or burden and/or mounts, revolutionize their societies (or gives the Vinlanders a huge edge over the natives).
Second, the general technological package. Writing, metallurgy, wheels, shipbuilding etc. Introducing that into the New World centuries early also changes a lot.
Not to mention the cultural impact.
And, finally, let us just assume that the colony just holds on, and is just a single reasonably sizable settlement that is still recognizable when the age of Exploration kicks off centuries later. The English explorers discover the colony, and aside from some interesting stories “oh look, the Vikings made it out this far!” Somebody in Northern Europe is going to say “well, this means we were here first, so we obviously have the best claim to this entire region.”
The best claim is useless if you do not have the means to enforce them.
Yeah, PH ignores the fact that the St-Laurence valley isn't a frozen wasteland like Greenland or Iceland and that it would easily be able to sustain an independently growing population. Plagues probably wouldn't spread from Europe but with livestock animals and much larger settelments the new world migth end up having its own major plagues that could make the plague exchange also hurt Europe.
@@dawoifee Sure, but a potentially friendly settlement of locals with similar culture sure would help with enforcing it.
@@CMVBrielman What amount of Population are we speaking here?
@ Not sure. Something self-sustaining. Maybe a few thousand.
I think that the most interesting impact Vinland could have on the world is the introduction of advanced metallurgy to the Americas, as it's easy to sell military innovations to a tribe looking to one up their rivals. And more over it would be fascinating to explore whether the tribes who adopted this advanced practice would continue their migratory lifestyle or begin to migrate to a set collection of areas with access to the resources they need or give it up entirely. It would also be incredibly funny to see native American tribes adopt the writing style of Norway.
I completely disagree about Vinland.
Norway had fewer than 200 000 inhabitants during the early Middle age. In 150 years from the first settlements on Iceland to the year 1000, the Norse population in Iceland, of whom almost all came from tiny Norway, grew to around 60 000 people. That is a remarkable speed of settlement concidering how small the original population was. A remarkable amount of people who were willing to sail straight into the raging North Atlantic with hopes of a better life on a subarctic island. Also a remarkable speed of procreation once they arrived in Iceland.
After this initial population boom noone cared about settling Iceland because Iceland was full. The following centuries consisted of a series of civil wars. All useful land was settled, there was no more territory to expand into.
The fact that anyone even tried to settle Greenland shows that quite a lot of people were indeed desperate to migrate from both of these situations. Had there been a realistic chance to settle Vinland or Nova Scotia there was ample potential both from Iceland to find people both willing to take the chance and have plenty of kids once a new area full of resources was available to them.
This simply didnt happen because of the military capacity of the indigenous population. New Foundland is very mountainous and would be extremely difficult to take over in its entirety even for a large mediveal war fleet.
The whole thing could have been dramatically different if for example the indigenous people on Vinland would have caught the flu from the Norse and perished or fled. The settlers could have marketed the new land as safe (temporarily) to land hungry Icelanders and there could have been larger settlement projects. Perhaps on better suited islands such as Prince Edward's Island.
Had this been successful enough, rumor of the new lands would eventually spread to Northern Europe. Especially If the first settlers grow wealthy and start demanding more trade and imports from Europe. Again, there was considerable potential for migration, had they been able to gain a foot hold.
Another thing is that the smallpox that existed in Europe during mediveal age was of a different strand than the one who we know from the 15th century up to its eradication in 1979. The mediveal variety might very well have had a much lower deadlyness, perhaps more like variola minor than major. So if the Native Americans had gotten that strand several centuries before the contact with the modern form, perhaps their survival rate would have been much higher and history would have taken a wildly different turn.
Anyhow. Shortage of daring, land hungry Scandinavians willing to brave the Ocean was the least of the reason why Vinland never came to be.
Yeah that one kind of blindsided me, but also was the reason why I clicked on the video. It's a scenario I absolutely think would be interesting to explore, whereas the others are indeed disappointingly boring.
@@maelys8851Vinland is a perfect scenario for counterfactual scenarios. It is one of those times when the outfall of one small, local coincidence might have had huge impacts on World history.
I for my would love to know how it would have impacted the developement of Europe during the Middle ages but also how cultures in North America would have developed. North America up to the 11th century consisted mostly of hunter gatherers with some horticulture (vegetables). When Leif Eriksson reaches Vinland, maize growing is just beginning to spread up through the Mississippi delta. So the mediveal age in Eastern USA would be cows, horses, sheep, iron and some European influences coming from the North East and maize, three sisters and Mesoamerican culture coming from the South. I am sure the Europeans would eventually start sailing down to Mexico, in time.
MINOR GRAMMAR MISTAKE DETECTED. You must now do Perfect Italy.
To quote Thanos, "Reality is often disappointing"
What If Brazil remained fighting in world war two? (The allies supposedly promised an occupation zone in South Austria If Brazil sent reinforcements)
Bruh are you serious?
But they did fight in ww2?
@irrelevantcheese8623Yes,25K Soldiers helping in Italian campaign
Its mainly feat was winning Battle of monte castelo
Supposedly, Brazil was offered an occupation zone in Austria, but brazilian president Getúlio Vargas refused, the ocupation would be very expensive and it would be better for the country if the soldiers just returned
@@FabianoVo yea
which i find interesting
Fun fact: The race to berlin was less "which allied power got first?" and more "Which Soviet general got first?"
Edit: I wrote the comment 15 seconds before you mentioned the exact same thing. Still gonna leave it here for the algorithm.
Raise?
@Twiggo_The_Foxxo thx for correcting it.
Algorithm is only affected when you first send comment though?
@gegecry Yeah I agree. The only way the allies could’ve gotten to Berlin first would be through a negotiated settlement with the Germans - or at least some backdoor shenanigans with their leadership. At any rate the Germans definitely would’ve preferred Berlin falling to the UK/US than the USSR - as history shows.
What if the Kingdom of Denmark did care about the colonies they inherited as the Kalmar Union? Kalmar Union is definitely one of the most interesting time periods of Nordic history to me so I would actually like to see if something would come of this or if it'll end up like the scenario mentioned here.
*i collected some cool scenarios from r/possiblehistory*
what if the arabs took constantinople?
what if everything went perfect for japan in ww2?
what if everything went perfect for albania?
*and i also created my own*
what if italy was the main player in ww2?
what if hitler fled to argentina and took over the government?
what if capitalist democrats rebelled instead of communists in russia?
what if prc invaded taiwan and the roc stayed in hainan?
what if russia stayed communist after the collpase of the ussr?
what if russia went democratic and joined nato?
what if ww1 was reenacted in ww2 (roleplaying like ww2&1 in modern day)
what if russia got more of america?
what if non-aligned movement won the cold war?
what if napoleon went to italy after elba and built an empire there?
Ye these are very good/cool alt history scenarios. Hope he sees this
"Everything went perfect for Albania " but it already did.
Italy would lose.
Hitler would get nuked.
They did. Then the communists revolted against them.
Then the PRC would simply cross the very indefensible crossing.
Collapse economically.
They tried, were barred.
... what?
They would sell it off anyways after Crimean war
Not. Actually possible
Then the British, Austrians, and Russians would march into Italy
Pick better scenarios.
I made the what If everything went perfect for Albania and I don't think it was good
r/PossibleHistory these days are infested with NRPs
1:44 you sounded like history matters lmao
Thanks For this! Love seeing You reach deep
This is one of the best historical videos on UA-cam. You put a lot of effort into editing the video. We are all very grateful to you.😊❤😊❤
I mostly agree with your Vinland analysis. I still believe it could have a large impact, but it would take a lot of unlikely circumstances and coincidences for it to happen.
I think the first one could be refrased as "what if the soviets did worse in ww2 and the allies got all of germany at the yalta peace conference"
Secret video?
He really thought he could hide it from us lol
What if nuclear weapons never existed?
escalate every existing conflict due to no MAD
Most likely, the Korean War is won by the US, and another world war happens eventually.
I think AlternateHistoryHub already made a video exploring this.
Yes, it is really interesting one, we might have seen WW3
What if Italy had everything gone well
Good grammar
please Ph just do it already😭
Notice how none of the suggestions were "What everything went perfect for Italy"
1:54 cmon thats not Elbe river, thats Vltava river
Isn't the Vltava River a tributary of the Elbe River?
Honestly, great points! My only peave is with Waterloo as nearly all nation (outside of Russia) were really ready to throw in the towel, especially britain, after the end of the napoleonic war. Quite a bit of british propaganda helped smooth the fact that after the first defeat of napoleon, it took meer days for the entire british public to stop occupations, stop all the massive spending and more like a cork from a bottle. Sure those ideas where somewhat supressed after Napoleon return, but if Waterloo is another costy defeat, their is a non zero chance for the british public to force the british parliament's hand unless they quickly find a way to deal with napoleon.
I know you're kindof suffering CGP gray syndrome here where all the "experts" suddenly appear after you stopped your researched, but I advise you to see historia civilis videos on the the congress of Vienna if you hadn't has well as the work he cited on his video. There, it showed a side not much said on the napoleonic wars where britain was much more on the backfoot than it ever dare claim itself to risk it's prestige hurt greatly.
Anyway i'll stop rambling, great work once again!
The suggestion "What if FDR survived until the end of WW2" is actually an interesting one, since it could possibly lead to an alternate Vietnam War, as FDR was not favorable to the French and the US had favorable communications with Ho Chi Minh up until the end of WW2. I'm not saying this would end up with the US siding with the Rebellion or that the US wouldn't send France material support. However, opinions were already mixed on supporting an imperialistic reconquest of a colony, so a delay in support could very well happen, because of the president's persistence.
That last scenario could be an interesting one to explore if, say, for whatever reason, Norway rejected being a part of the Kalmar Union, causing a retaliatory war from Sweden and Denmark, thus forcing many a Norwegian to flee to Iceland, Greenland, and Vinland (or something along those lines)
12:32 the Vinland scenario is much better if you think of it from the lens of what if Cnut the great were able to solidify his North see empire.
The north see trade stagnated after the vikings lost the foothold in england and the loss of trade doomed the vinland and later greenland colonies.
In that scenario the colonies would slowly expand and be in great position in the age of exploration
I feel like the scenario "What if the Soviet won the Winter war," because. . . They did? It may not have been the crushing victory they wanted, but they still won, and even if they had, they would have had to deal with an insurgence
To be very clear about the library of Alexandria, one thing we know they had in there. A writing of the solar system as a Heliocentric model. This is among what was lost, somewhere along the way. The idea that we just magically preserved all the best knowledge is not true, we preserved the most culturally relevant knowledge at any given time. And lost probably the most revolutionary piece the library had.
What if the Spanish Conquest of Ming China was actually carried out?
Can’t wait for “What if everything went perfect for possible history”
What if, instead of toppling the Persians and stalemating the Byzantines, the early Arab conquests had stalemates the Persians and toppled the Byzantines?
The one thing about the last scenario is the Wabanaki and Iroquois confederacy.
Even if only they gain immunity to disease, it would mean that they would be a buffer to british/american expansion west.
Furthermore, with the introduction of domesticated animals, it would make it easier to expand more than they did in OT and would result in a higher population density and maybe even cities (as domesticated animals tend to help with civalization growth).
What if Bavaria united Germany? I don't know if it's quite possible, but Bavaria was fairly strong, and if Prussia was crippled in previous wars and they found strong allies it could possibly happen?
Absolutely loved it❤
Waiting for the next part😊
8:01 little do you know they had FTL travel in there
I have a 4 part series idea:
1. What if the Reconquista failed to retake Iberia?
2. What if the Crusades succeeded in taking Jerusalem (and also Anatolia)?
3. What if King John I became Muslim?
4. What if Muslims colonized the Americas?
If you can't guess what this multipart scenario is it's "What if the west became Muslim instead of the East"
It could just be the one but you wouldn't be able to tell all the differences with the simple title.
Really. There are many scenarios that, on paper, seem to be very good, but in practice they are not that great, or simply won't really change anything in the end.
What if Canada annexed Alaska after the Crimean War?
Hello friend, at 14:28 you said "nail in the coffer" rather than "nail in the coffin", just letting you know :)
Fantastic video, can’t think of more ideas that don’t matter but you should definitely make a sequel and an earlier Age of Exploration scenario (maybe from a different origin?)
I would really like to see your take on the Vinland scenario where it actually has drastic changes!
I *very badly* misread the thumbnail and thought there was going to be a very interesting scenario about Berlin becoming a US exclave city-state rather than join West or East Germany. :V
Crazy scenario idea: history if the USA never had any corruption scandals.
By international standards it really isn't that corrupt. Yous are just whiny
No I meant if it wasn't corrupt throughout its whole history, I should probably rephase it so its more clear.
@amazingdragonboy1202 Ah ok fair. Tho idk how interesting that would be as a video.
A point on the battle of waterloo scenario. The coalition was gathering an army with combined numbers of a million men, the anglo-prussian army was originally intended to stall while this grand coalition army was gathering. For comparison, the French army at waterloo was less than 100 000. The fact that Napoleon even had this was a miracle conjured up by Davout, there is no way Napoleon could mobilize an army big enough to match the coalition.
What if "The Yalta Conference Happened much later on"
Edit: Ok so I got another idea: what if "Napoleon Won at Waterloo but with the help of Blücher aiding the british" IK it is unrealistic at another level but still what if...
*Video idea___
What if may constitution failed to pass in plc parliament. At first it may appear as another scenario which changes nothing but
1’st it removes two last partitions so plc survives a Russian vassal
2’nd the war against the constitution removed a lot of Prussian/hre forces from French front so without it with bigger force’s fighting against revolutionary forces in 1792 the French Revolution might have been crushed.
So it’s more of a “what if French Revolution got crushed in 1792” scenario. With Revolution falling before it’s ideas spread through most of Europe with plc surviving as Russian vassal as a bonus.
And a reminder to PH not about the unimpactfull scenerios but you said in the What if history went perfect for Poland episode. You said that the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will get it's video some day and as a Polish person I'm waiting...
And what if Alexander The Great didn't die so young
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Btw congrats on almost 200k
I absolutely do want a part two. I really love how your videos are nuanced and don't rely on historical anecdotes or stereotypes (it always surprises me how many people on the internet, even some content creators, have such a superficial view of history, something like 'rome good turk bad' or 'the soviet army was a horde of mindless marauders and rapists that were leaving nothing behind' lol)
I keep repeatedly seeing your videos 1 minute after it releases!
The one song this guy uses a lot is called nocturne chopin op 9 no. 2
One minor interesting thing about the first bit is that it probably would've taken long enough for fat man or little boy to be ready. It would've been Berlin that was nuked first, then japan.
There I one thing I want to see even if it is high and realistic, what if the German leadership put down their anti-Communist or was less radical against it and allied with the Soviets versus the western powers?
I really liked this video, can you do more of these?
I think "What if Mihai Viteazu's Romania never got split after his death" would be really interesting.
Here’s some ideas for you:
What if France was punished after WW2?
What if Texas remained Independent?
Viewer Vote on the Balkan Borders post 1st Balkan War
Why would France be *punished* after WW2? Weren’t they a victim?
@@Dude-vq3oei guess he means vishy france(or whatever the puppet state was called) but thats a massive stretch
Bro really hates the french
@ who doesn’t
@@Dude-vq3oe basically the US wanted to punish France after WW2 thanks to France surrendering, because American recognized the Vichy regime.
How'd we get here?
by clicking on the video
What if Bohemia won the Hussite wars seems like it'd be interesting but not entirely sure
What if Germany had taken Moscow in WW2: While maybe possible in an ideal scenario for the Germans, it wouldn’t have changed much other than the even greater human suffering. Russia would still have so mich land left, that there was no need for surrender and they would have bounced back in more or less the same way as in our timeline. The reality is that there was no way for Germany to win WW2, this wasn’t a land grab but an existential threat to the Russian people, they would have fought to the death and with the massive territory and Human ressources of Russia, they would have come out on top eventually
A Vinland Senario would be fun
What if the Decembrists won in 1825? Can you please consider two scenarios separately (the victory of the Northern and Southern societies).
P.S. I apologize for the slightly clumsy translation.
I think that a scenario you could talk about is about the infamous Armada Invencible. It's defeat has traditionally been seen as a monumental disaster and an important point in British history, but when you think about it, a Spanish success would probably end quite badly, just opening another front. Maybe it's just because I don't know the period all that well, but I would like it if you thought about it
You think you be able to do a video on if anything would change if Ireland joined ww2?
What if poland became a part of the ussr?
Basicaly a potentionally smaller poland, and a bigger poland, mainly in the east.
the loss of the library of alexandria is lot more interesting in terms of its cultural impact than the more concrete knowledge it contained - the number of plays, stories, commentaries and other pieces of ancient literature that we have fragments of or references to which might have had decently-preserved copies in the library would be very high, and the chances of them being copied and distributed like the ones that we do still have as the centuries passed was lost when it burnt down.
New video already? Nice
What if everything went perfectly for Portugal?
8:19 “what if Napoleon never left Elba” sounds interesting but probably isn’t
I have always wondered why viking contact with native americans DIDN'T result in the mass desease epidemic in the America's. But i can't find any research papers on it. Are there any serious theories about that?
Probably because of how sparse it is in Canada. People lived very far apart from eachother
its due to how sparsely populated the region they arrived in was and the fact that the people the came into contacted were likely very small in number
Tbh i kinda like a potential vinland settlement being tiny and not having much if any contact with europe cooler. Like some small differences in culture and religion for the people in the area via that connection. Not changing much but its there.
please make a part 2 on this video idea.
You should do what if the Bakker-Schutplan succeeded
what if the crusades succeded (idk if i wrote this right,english isn't my first language)
What if everything went perfect for napoleon and he ran the country as well as he ran the military
What if the Fourth crusade went to Egypt as planned, and did not topple Byzantium?
4:35 taras are in fact made of parchment(a material usually made from cows hide)
For the next time use What if Germany won at Stalingrad. It is absolutely indifferent, as both sides lost many soldiers there, which unlike the Soviet Union Germany couldnt really replace. Also not only did Germany by that point have a good synthetic oil production, so they wouldnt really need the oil fields that much, as they needed it when the offencive was decided and it thus wouldnt help the slightest bit with Germanys war effort. Not to mention, that even if victorious at Stalingrad, there is no way in which the Germans would not only reach the oil fields, but actually take them, since they would be supplied through Iran, or even blown up if worst comes to worst. The only thing that this might do is to take the oil from the soviets, thus maybe slowing them down a bit. But even that is stretching it
It would have immensely hurt the soviets. Germans still would have lost, but the Soviet’s would be a lot weaker post war
When you don’t know how plural works
Can you do a "what if everything went horrible for italy"?
“HANK DONT ABBREVIATE POSSIBLE HISTORY HAAAANK!!”
What if the native Americans were not as vulnerable to Old World diseases?
Going to very strongly disagree with your Vikings in Canada point for the following reasons:
1. Vinland doesn't need to be the end of things, I think a more interesting scenario is if the Vikings expanded their exploration into the Gulf of St Lawrence and down the river, as well as the American east coast. If they did this, they would quickly find a series of waterways that are very easy to exploit with their technology and lead to lands and opportunities vastly beyond what their frozen hovels in Greenland and Iceland were capable of. The economic opportunity here is evident I think, there's a lot of trading that can happen through the St Lawrence river valley, hell it was already happening among the native people, we're essentially talking about access to the goods of the entire northern half of North America, going into the greats lakes which themselves are just a stones throw from the Mississippi river and then the Caribbean, the potential opportunity here is vast. The Vikings were already as much traders as raiders, though of course they know these don't have to be mutually exclusive, if a solid trading base was established in Newfoundland, or better, somewhere further south like Prince Edward Island or the current location of Montreal, they could potentially make a lot of money, have large influence on local politics, and draw in a lot more Norse settlers and soldiers to consolidate and expand. Note that all of these things happened in places like Ireland or Kievan Rus.
2. As mentioned the climate is just better in Canada or the east coast, Viking settlers would have a far easier time creating a sustainable agricultural colony somewhere around here than they did in the frozen wastes of Iceland and Greenland they actually settled. Those old settlements might instead be more important as waypoints to much more liveable North America. There doesn't even have to be much top down colonialism from the kingdoms in Scandinavia, they didn't really need that to start their colonial ventures around the Viking world already where trade, loot, good land and avoiding the long arm of the law was motivation enough for many Viking adventurers to get going from Ireland, to Russia, to Greenland. If there is an established, economically successful colony in the New World, Greenland and Iceland only need to be the initial source of the population, people could quickly be drawn in from across Northern Europe when it becomes clear that there's money and people to exploit here. Hell, this might also stimulate further advances in naval technology to make the journey faster and easier.
3. The Kalmar union will have little to do with this, for one it took place in 1397, almost 400 years after the initial discovery of America. The butterfly effect from a successful north American trading colony established centuries beforehand are so dramatic to be almost impossible to predict, maybe the political situation leading to the union won't even exist as a result and it just never happens. Maybe Norway creates a north Atlantic trade empire built around exploiting these American trade routes, potentially enriching the nation and shifting the economic centre further north and west. Maybe the British or French kingdoms get interested and drawn in as well, in the same way they did when the Spanish and Portuguese started their colonial ventures. Maybe direct political control from Europe withers over time and the Viking colonies become essentially independent or create a hybrid society with the local people (similar to Ireland and Russia).
4. Even if the North American venture is a complete failure for the Vikings and crumbles in less than a hundred years, this can still have revolutionary effects on America. If they bring over just a single herd of horses and the Native people notice that the Europeans are riding them, that could facilitate their capture and the dissemination of horses across the Americas, which we know had massive, and extremely rapid, effects on the Americas in real life, without much need for direct European intervention with the introduction of Spanish horses into the Americas from the 1500s onward. In our timeline this completely revolutionized warfare and the entire mode of life for a lot of Native people, especially in the great plains, which could mean that the next group of European settlers or conquerors could expect to find a very different reality if the empires of Mexico or wherever had a contingent of cavalry too. That says nothing then about the new awareness of people from across the ocean can have on native American societies, and the spread of other new technology and crops from the Vikings even if they were only there for a short amount of time. Advanced metal working for example, you could have iron technology spread across the Americas and further level the playing field, as well as useful crops like wheat and other animals like sheep or pigs. Again, this is so impactful if it did happen it becomes impossible to predict any further, even if Europe in general just ignores America after this .
5. Just a thing to note, but the disease point is actually a bit controversial, I know that a lot of historians increasingly think that the spread of the diseases that did so much damage to the Native American populations has been misunderstood badly as an inevitabilty that would have cleared out America no matter what, but this ignores the existing European colonial policies that exacerbated and worsened things and helped contribute to population collapse after contact had already happened, things like the relentless low level warfare between Europeans and natives with lots of slave raiding and displacement of natives weakened them and made them more vulnerable to disease, and in addition to that you had the relentlessly exploitative and unsustainable economic policies of the Spanish with things like the Encomienda system basically turning natives into a slave population to be exploited ruthlessly, this has also been linked to exacerbating the effects of these diseases. Additionally, especially in Mexico, the biggest killer actually doesn't seem to be smallpox or measles, its a mysterious disease called Cocoliztli, that might actually be a native disease where the conditions of colonial Mexico caused it to sweep through the population. If it is the case that disease is more of a side effect of colonialism this could have huge ramifications in a world where its less likely that the Europeans can enforce their will on a Native population. That's on top of the fact that if the European diseases are introduced earlier by a country like Norway less capable of large scale conquest, centuries early with less impactful technology they can exploit, then the Natives will have longer to build up resistance to the new pathogens. Altogether, again this can vastly change the outcome of history even if Viking colonial attempts are only slightly more successful and long lasting.
Huge agree. Not sure how anyone could think a long-term vinland colony just isn't interesting. Huge societal, technological and even political consequences for the native americans.
That Death Star Stalin suggestion is goated do that one
Now do 4 scenarios that don't sound interesting but are.
Something i have been wondering is if east Prussia was reduced to the size it is now (Kaliningrad oblast) but was not annexed by the USSR but was an independent nation that is mostly isolated
Vinland would have an impact as this would lead to a period of prolonged trade with Europe leading to the introduction of a few new technologies. Like you only need two of s kind of livestock to form a herd. Imagine if they got horses before 1500?
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a lot of valuable things were lost in the burning of the library of Alexandria, which we know about today only because they are referenced in other works
Mantheo's history of the kings of Egypt
Euclid's Geometry of a Sphere (which, based purely on the title, would have introduced non-Euclidean geometry 2000 years early)
The second part of Aristotle's Poetics, where he discusses Comedy (we only have his analysis of Tragedy)
And this is only a sample