Bodybuilder's Eating Disorder | Starting Strength Network Previews
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This kid is fucking strong. Especially weighing 165. If he wants to do this comp and move on to strength training after he's gonna be a BEAST. His body will be so hungry for food he'll pack on the size and he'll get even stronger.
Damage will already be done
Damage??? What damage??? He’s 22! We all did stupid stuff at 22.
@@waynenoll1967 yes and it will all come back to haunt you. He is doing irreversible damage to his heart and body. Might not come back for awhile but it will come back
😂😂😂😂 you are funny
You should bring MIKE ISRAETEL back on the show the talk about bodybuilding.
Why train at low body fat? To preserve mass obviously. I don’t think the SS team is well versed in the bodybuilding world. He’s 160 benching 225? He probably looks better then all these guys if he’s that lean and strong
Exactly!!!! Everyone is “big and strong” until they do a cut! I bet that “kid” gets way more attention from women than these clowns.
@@user-nf2ej1iw2bdo you train to lift more or woman’s attention?
@@johnmorrison3560i think a lot of people train to feel and look good. Many don‘t see the point in getting stronger. Nobody cares if you lift 300 or 400. It doesn‘t matter if you have a fat gut and you‘re the strongest
@@Hk86bs except that we lift to get stronger to improve our life quality and get more resilient to injuries. Not for vanity.
He's 160 at 5'11" kid looks like a toothpick no matter what he is lifting
I did two bodybuilding shows in the 80's.
18 and 21 years old.
I was miserable on the diet. I was ripped 😅
It does to long term damage to your body. I did the same thing at a young age and now i have terrible stomach problems. Still getting bigger and stronger tho
Mark, don’t y’all be so hard on this guy. The kid is 22. Remember 22? When guys our age could ( and would) do stupid shit like racing motorcycles or riding half wild horses or riding bulls, or drinking until they closed the bar at 2 A.M. then going for the worst possible food passing out at 4, waking up at 6:30, and arriving at work at 7, wondering if you would live until noon…..then doing it all over again the next night? Point being is, at his age, nothing he can do will have much long term effects. When I was 22 I was 5’ 10” and around 160 and I looked jacked. I wasn’t very strong but I had big arms and, wait for it…..ABS! This kid probably just wants to impress some girl. He’s already committed to doing strength training after his bodybuilding show, so why are Nick and Rusty acting like he just got their daughter pregnant? Damn! Lighten the fuck up, he’s 22!
I want to see a dude that size do 225x10x3 on a bb diet
what if you're 5'11 and 330 and you v got plenty of energy stored already; can you stay overworked and under fed?
You're carrying your surplus. You just have to hit your protein target and make sure you get enough carbs in the tank to train properly.
Hey Rip. Thank you for writing some awesome books I’ve been reading. And I wanna say you guys have been doing terribly exceptional job. I followed your instruction to eat more than I think I should and have gained 11 pounds to weigh 199 pounds ; I am 45 years old, 5’10”. I’ve been doing my LP for almost nine months now. I, with the gained weights, just set my new 5 RM PR (3 sets of 5 at 153 pounds) for my press after being stuck for two weeks when I usually failed the last rep of the last set and have been setting new 5RM PR for my bench which is now 200. My question is do I have to keep gaining weight to be lifting heavier weights when I height remains the same and get older every year? Is building your gut muscles like you said the only solution to this problem? Thank you.
What happened to Bre?
on thin ice
Locked in the cupboard
Well said Rip
Usually love Rips commentary but he has always been flat out wrong about nutrition and physique. The same way he says nobody can tell that the kid lifts, half the SS guys are in the obese category and people can’t tell they lift. I met a power lifter at my work and was shocked to hear he was a competitive power lifter, I just thought he was fat. Rip believes it’s worth putting on 40 lbs of body weight on for 10 lbs of muscle. If you can’t do 15 strict form dead-hang pull ups, you either aren’t strong or you need to lose weight. Should he get to 6% bodyweight? No. But the SS guys with 50 lbs of excess weight are in a lot more jeopardy of health problems
It is worth it.
I was 155, could lift like shit
& had to tell everybody that I go to gym lol
I am 5’9”
6 months into strength training, I am 185 now, everything is much stronger in me.
People ask, you look strong, how do you do it?
The point is, if you have to take out your shirt to show that you have muscles, then you dont have any 😂
There’s a sweet spot and it’s further toward the SS end of things than one might think. Just eat lots of nutrient dense, clean foods (avoid refined food, cheap fats, simple sugars).
There is a video of Rip doing 18 chin ups with good form the day before he had an operation on I believe his supraspinatus. He would have been in his late 50's at the time. He is definitely a bit heavy for a physique competitor in bodybuilding but is still very strong. I wouldn't worry too much about his blood work. He has got to 65 without a heart attack or stroke.
@@yvestrembleau2396 Rip is dramatically thinner in that chin up video, like 50 lbs less than now. I never questioned that Rip isn’t strong, his deadlifts are quite impressive too. His “gain 50 pounds” stuff is crazy…Bulk and then cut later. You know how hard it is to get lean and cut. A ton of SS guys bulk but never cut. Rips training program is awesome, just not his nutrition advice.
its called bodybuilding, not bodyshowing. why are you cutting if you have puny muscles?
Body dysmorphia is a real thing.
Yup, just look at these guys. They think they’re “in shape” 😂
I'd like to know the current bodyweight of the men in the video and their lifting numbers? Also cancer rates in America were a lot lower in world war 2 1940s.
Irrelevant
@@soonahero the 168lb guys numbers seemed pretty decent for his size, just wanted to compare.
Peak Mark did 600/400/633 at 220
@@saulwest8254 Bodybuilder kid numbers are mid.
Absolutely irrelevant
It’s a beauty contest.- Rip 😂😂😂
Whenever you hear about someone that is tall (5'10"+) and in the 100 lbs range, they always have toothpicks for legs.
A good measure would be to not be lower than your height in the metric system. If your're 180 cm (5´11"), around 180 pounds is the lowest you should be at.
(As a general lifter that is)
All bodybuilders are in the 100s, at 6’2 the world class guy is 212
@@soonahero but they are on a huge amount of roids
I bodybuild so I can get compliments from other men and I get to prance around on stage in a thong.
The kid is actually pretty strong, especially at that body weight. He likely doesn’t need to do the ss nlp at all, sounds like he may already an intermediate/advanced lifter and will benefit from another program.
If you’ve never done a novice linear progression, you almost certainly can. The exceptions would be elite, competitive lifters; not a guy squatting in the 200s at 9% body fat. This guy could be squatting in the 400s in 3 months.
@@dariusgoatland10 Given that the boy is doing 3 sets of 10 at 285 on the squat means he's probably already passed the 400 range.
Why would you artificially slow down the kid's progress?
@@Mukation I meant for sets across, & no, if you don’t train with heavy weights, you won’t be able to throw 100+ pounds more than you’ve ever unracked on the bar & lift it. I’d be shocked if he could squat 365 for a single.
@@xmoogoox if he can indeed still add 5 lbs per workout then you're right, he should start there. I suspect that will no longer be possible at his level of development, but time will tell.
Let the kid do his beauty pageant, he won’t do a second one.
I love the videos but don’t get the point of this one.
He’s 22, he wants to do a show, so be it.
One natural BB show wont ruin your life.
If I heard correctly he wants to do SS and strength training after that show, which means he will eat and pack on mass.
His current numbers don’t sound bad for his height and weight so he will probably out lift most of the people taking part in this video.
Or am I missing something?
Lmao how will he outlift them. He is an absolute twig. To be 5"11 and 165lbs is unhealthy unless you don't do anything. But for even an active person much less a lifter, its very unhealthy. Even more so when the put on a restricted diet
@@tomrouse4726
“If I heard correctly he wants to do SS and strength training after that show, which means he will eat and pack on mass”
He’s a twig now with very decent numbers imo.
If he really starts taking strength AND eating serious, he can easily gain 25-30kg and lift a shit ton of weight.
Dieting down once for a bodybuilding show won’t kill you. You just feel miserable for a few weeks.
Bodybuilding is where you shave your body, put on a purple bikini bottom, then slather yourself in oil. It's a pageant.
It also just so happens that extreme bulk/cut cycles resemble the pattern of bulimia.
@@VegetoStevieD
It is.
But there’s just a young guy who wants to try it and everybody here is acting as he is about to cut his dick off and call himself Betty for the rest of his life.
I’m also 5‘11 and been down to 160lbs when I did a lot of mountain biking.
Tried to get abzzz, didn’t like the feeling and the weakness and the constant hunger so I did a LP and bulked back up to 90kg.
Now the mtb season starts and I probably end up at 82kg until the season ends in October.
No bulimia, no eating disorder or other stuff.
@@sofartsogood3932 first off, you have no idea if he will be able to easily gain. Second he is not dieting down he is already way the hell down and then dieting. Extremely unhealthy. And it might not kill you but it has 100% terrible affects on your body. This is proven fact, not opinion. Hence why body builders end up with so much pain and problems in middle age
Unless you're Larry Wheels who is the only bodybuilder i respect. Strong as hell. Elite level power lifts and trains with Hathor.
The point of continuing to train through the cut is to preserve muscle mass. You guys aren't bodybuilders. The kid has different goals that don't line up with Starting Strength. Don't get what the big deal is.
That’s a very reasonable weight for bodybuilding at 22. Weighing 220 lbs stage weight at 6’2 is literally above the world natural Olympian who is 212
He’s training hard because otherwise he’ll literally get less lean as he gets lighter
He will lose muscle if he doesn't work out. Not less lean.
@@sagnorm1863 and if he doesn’t lose that muscle, he’d be leaner.
Think harder
Don't skip the "building" part if you want to be a bodybuilder.
Don't skip tats and bald head if you wanna be a Joe Rogan wannabe.
Humans don't build that much lean mass. 212 6'2 stage lean is a world class natural Olympia guy. 168 at this height at this young age is perfectly reasonable. The hell else is the alternative?
Try getting stage lean, you're smaller than you think. Well maybe not you, you'd fail the testing since of your TRT.
But regardless, you're probably not a world champion.
I don't know what the haters are on about, Rip is fucking yolked.
There’s a guy that bench press 240kg which is 530 lbs
….and he’s 5ft9 and 165 lbs
Jesús Varela from Spain.
I guess you look at him as a weak man 😂 because he’s not FAT enough 😂😂😂😂
Any comments?
5’11” 168lbs is fine for a regular ass dude who doesn’t train. However I can make an argument that dude would look better if he packed on more muscle instead of focusing on getting a lower body fat percentage.
Is it? The average woman is 170 lbs
@@soonahero that number is inflated by a high obesity rate yeah
That's not fine at all lol. Not just strength world, he needs to put on some MASS.
@@gumlus1257 MASS more like m' ass lmao gottem
But you look like shit bro
2:35 what a stupid question
At 168lbs he probably hasn't put on more than a few measly pounds of muscle mass during his bodybuilding journey most likely because he is worried about getting fat if he eats the amount of food required for growth. Bodybuilding is just an excuse for an eating disorder. Also, competitive natural bodybuilding is a waste of time. You have to abuse steroids to be simultaneously lean and muscular to the extent necessary for bodybuilding.
SS team a little on the nose - not so subtle.
Rippetoe knows about OCD eating disorder, I'm sure he's got a background in it and body dysmorphia. Maybe he should do a video on those instead of critiquing how people eat their food to build their bodies and strength up in a manner that is not his...
I'm sure he's just jealous of younger men looking better than him at the beach whilst he's munching down some burgers from McDonalds.
The boy is strong enough, but he could use more bodyweight.
I was hoping the kid could get down to 150 atleast he's still overweight at 160 hahhah
these guys act like they have been in a war, u guys lift weights chill out
Are you going to say what's not good and what's bull shit?
If the kids want to be a bodybuilder he needs to wait till hes about 30. He is extremely thin and light at 168. He needs to pack on as much muscle size and strength as he can for the next 8 years, then if he wants to cut weight and bodybuild, then Ok. It is a very bad idea for a 22 yo to do what hes doing.
Arnold was 17 at his first competition. Ronnie Coleman was 24. Dorian Yates was 22. Flex Wheeler was 18. Jay Cutler was 20. Phil Heath was 23. Dexter Jackson was 23. etc, etc, etc.
3:35
So, why do you have to be fat?
Clearly he's not taking enough TRT.
If he stopped lifting weights, he wouldn't stand a chance in a bodybuilding competition.
Yeah, they may have a point about the metabolic damage, but a lot of their other comments were asinine
Bodybuilding is homoerotic. You oil up your body and pose on stage in tiny silk panties to be judged by other men. Judged not by what your body can do but by how it looks.
Yeah, because being judged by what you can do it is for the poors
bodybuilding is gay af
That's some female jealousy.
The title says it all. The kid needs to eat. Wasn't Coleman 5'11"? He might have been a bit heavier than 168 when he won Olympia...
There are weight classes in bodybuilding. He's not going up against against 300 lbs bodybuilders
The kid is heavy enough to compete as a middleweight, he's 22. Coleman debuted at 198 lbs as a heavyweight when he was 24. Also this was amateur bodybuilding, not Pro and likely, natural. Coleman added a ton of muscle with the help of genetics and anabolics by the time he was crushing it in the Pros.
At 160lbs bodyweight i can only presume they will idenitfying as female on the day of the 'competition', its all good
If this kids goal is to be a bodybuilder he should really be trying to get more muscle mass until he’s over 200lbs before he even thinks about cutting.