Eight black women discuss the politics of skin tone
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2019
- As part of our Shades of Black series, we invited eight women to talk about their experience of colorism in their relationships, careers and everyday life.
Colorism is the discrimination against individuals with a dark skin tone. This means that darker skinned black people have to fight prejudice even within their own community, where lighter skin is seen as more desirable. As such, darker skinned black people can experience both racism and colorism.
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I wish that they would include lighter skin women who aren’t bi-racial in these convos. Who have 4c hair brown eyes and wide noses. I never see that point of view.
Yes!!
YES!
@Transformation Same I feel like the sooner we stop separating ourselves from each other light and dark the better we are all BLACK and Beautiful
OMG finally someone speaking truth, btw though that's technically me.
ebony jefferson I totally fit that mold and I would love to share my perspective on the matter.
We didn’t create the colorism tension but we don’t have to continue the ignorance
# truth
Danielle Shank we didn’t create it but we still perpetuate it!
True
Bravo! Damn straight.
@@flyhigh6816 "We"?
Sorry, there is no we.
Look at all the dark skinned girls’ faces as the biracial girl says she’s “not half white”. You can’t just ignore the whole 50% of your DNA which is European which actually gives you privilege within our community and our society.
I was like sis you biracial accept it.
Exactly the one drop rule doesn’t apply anymore biracial/mixed people are signing petitions to have their own race category.
No such thing as "European DNA."
Kory Green there is 🙃
Hmm excuse my ignorance as I am not black, but what advantage does being biracial have in the black community? That girl has enough African features that she would face racism among whites.
People will claim biracials as black but get upset when they’re representing black people in the media.
How do you disregard an entire parent?
My point exactly! Why is it so wrong to be mixed race? Every beauty type should be celebrated!
but they aren't fully black? it's wrong for them to represent black people in the media when 90% of black people don't look like that, it's a result of colorism because mixed people always have lighter skin then most black people but aren't too light skinned so they dont look white
@@harmonizeredits8142 I feel like the media uses mixed race people to fill in the "black quota" just as an excuse because they want someone who is close to being white but they sell it as black to say that they are inclusive.
I agree I didn't like what that young lady said she looked Biracial I have met some that didn't look ot at all but their will tell you.
You don't have to like it-that's HER reality. Barack Obama did the same. Deal with it!
They need to have lightskin people who aren’t delusional in these types of videos. I’m lightskin and my best friends growing up we’re all dark and brown skin. I would never try to pretend I understand the stuff they go through or that I’m exactly the same. I saw how people treated us differently.
You are absolutely right. I am light skinned. My hubz is a chocolate drop. People treat us different. Especially at the airport. At a supermarket too.
Exactly- like not all light people have this better than you complex and there is no way to overcome colorism if we make it a dark skin only thing to be able to talk about
@@durnyvrutaal5892 test
@@joyjustme5014 , I am afraid I did not understand your comment.
YESSSSSSSS
Colorism is very real in the Caribbean.
True.
Girllllllllllllllllllllllll… I am from the Caribbean. It is crazy!
I recently found out & is shock ATF
Also in Asia, it's disgusting but white creams are everywhere
Legacy of imperialism/colonialism. Reinforced socially and in certain institutions during colonial and postcolonial (now) periods. We somehow need to "reset" our minds/completely purge Europe from our minds and being.
The girl with the cotton candy pink hair! Omg it looks soooo good on her 🔥
YESSSSSS. She's a Mood. And the comment about wanting to be darker? Love.
Ok Raphael 🤣🤣🤣🧚♂️
you say its nice but you probably wouldnt date her so what your saying is fake
Shes gorg. They all are
She is beyond beautiful man
There is no way I’m wasting my precious Life constantly worrying about the colour of my skin, I’m 100% Pure Black African. I love everything about the way I look. 🥂😂
Daisy right! 😘
Right!
Exactly
I know that’s right!
Exactly. I'm glad I grew up in Africa. I don't remember feeling "less than" because I was dark skin. In school, everybody is treated the same. In fact, teachers, educators, doctors, ministers, etc...are dark skin so it's not perceived as a bad thing.
When the girl w/ the pink hair said she's been flat out ignored in public, I could relate. As a dark-skinned woman, this has happened to me.
"People literally ignore dark skin women" 2:13 I legit get ignored almost all the time.
We are living in a system which constantly demean dark skin people in general on a daily basis. So Uche_oma I hear you and also understand.
Nobody is gonna randomly start talking to people just cause there darkskin that's weird asf
I think that’s so ignorant to me. I’m a brown skin sista. All my friends are dark skin and brown skin.
Seriously. Unless you're fine asf regardless of race, people will usually just ignore you. Every color and race. How delusional to walk around thinking everyone around you should be acknowledging you.
I never had a problem with being dark-skinned but I was lucky to live in a family that reinforced black beauty in all skin tones. My sister is bright skinned, my dad and grandfather are light skinned, my mother and I are dark skinned and all of it was respected and celebrated. I know this is not true in all families so I was very lucky.
Victoria same here. Very lucky
I come from the same background my family is black and we come in all shades and celebrate each other I was blessed with that.
It’s not jst within families tho. The media reinforces negative stereotypes as it pertain to being dark skinned. She’s always the side kick, loud, ractchet, mean, jealous ect to her light skinned friend.
Same! I’m a teenage girl in high school and i’ve never had any identity issues and i’ve always been confident in my skin and i have a family of people with various skin tones (i have 5 siblings, i’m dark skinned along with 3 of my siblings, my other two siblings are really lightskin and then my mom is brown) it’s really a blessing.
Me too.
The light skin girl should own her identity instead of wanting to live up to the narrative. Because genetically one of your parents is white. And that's cool, you should not ignore your black side, ofc not! But you should own being brown. There are so many mixed race people, it is beautiful but honestly, in a room full of black women who are literally saying they have been ignored whilst in the prescence of light skinned women such as yourself yet you want us to feel sorry for you? Sorry no, respect my experience and I will respect yours.
Own your identity, and be proud of it. I just think it was a really vacuous statement from her... sucks really because my light skinned friends are not like that at all lol
Well said
Hmm, I always say I'm brown but I know plenty of multiethnic women who identify with being black. Those women I know are actually extremely knowledgeable - so I think perhaps it's not as vacauous as you might initially believe. A lot of it has to do with how they're brought up and treated.
loo py great statement. Stop apologizing for who you are or Pretending you are something you aren’t. Be you and respect others, so we can all live and understand one another. Love it!
SSHEEEIIIT
Can I ask cos I'm a white Irish guy and I don't really know the racial politics, does the discrimination against darker skin mostly relate to perceptions of attractiveness as in being seen as "beautiful"? In that way is it similar to the struggle that Asian men face?
Growing up I got tired of hearing and still hearing it “Your pretty for a dark skinned girl” Like TF? Some people are so narrow and closed minded - THIS BS CONTINUES with them -
Meanwhile you have people bleaching TF out of their skin and dying
HighHeels HighStandards all dis!!
Yes I’m East Asian and if I had a dime every time ppl ask “I think you’re very pretty, are you mixed? Is one of your parent white?”
Omg deadass. I’m mixed and when people say “oh you’re pretty for a black girl” alarm bells start RINGING. And I’m pretty light so I can’t even imagine what it’s like for darker women😭
@@Nata-rb4vc It's just an extension of the same.
I'm mixed, but nobody calls me beautiful though lol Got bullied in class for my brown skin, different hair than the "normal europeans have" They simply call me ugly because i dont fit it. Im too brown to be white, too light to be dark lol. So i dont know, world is kinda strange Hope peoples minds will open to view everyone as beautiful.
I've experienced being ignored next to my lighter friend(s). It's hurtful and unfortunate how so many are conditioned to have disdain for women with darker skin. However, this doesn't make me insecure... I just feel like I need to find people who appreciate me.
Bellissimma me too , when i was a cashier at macys i had to greet ppl when they entered the store or I helped them at my cash register . I noticed most ppl said hi or hello back but there were a few ppl who ignored me when I spoke to them and I was like maybe they just don’t want to speak but then my other coworker ( she was caucasian ) comes to my department and speaks to the ladies I had just got ignored by ( they were cacausian as well ) and they spoke back to her said hello and even held conversation but when they approached my register to pay for their things she asked me could she have someone else do her transaction as if she didn’t want me touching the things she was about to purchase its honestly sad & stupid ppl treat others different based on skin tone and stereotypes
@@keishayewoods9207 nah those women were straight up racist
Colorism Is real I will never forget when I was 10 and this other girl she was Asian and she played with me with no issues but when a Sudanese girl came and to play with us that girl treated her like she was dirty and that was the day I realized that as a light skinned girl I was preferred more than the dark skin girl and it's honestly really sad.
Yes it is.
Asian community has a colourism issue as much as the black community. As sad as it is, it’s true.
@chichi3183 thank you for acknowledging that!!
I feel opposite from the mixed girl in this video. I'm mixed. Don't call me black, don't call me white, I am mixed. We don't have to pick one people!! We don't have to refer to ourselves by our skin colors!!! Love who you are we are all beautiful pieces of creation
Yes my biracial one!!!
Thank you that one drop rule was a RACIST rule created by racists....being mixed is okay why claim one side when you are made of different heritages to be proud of
@@akosua8779 I feel it's only in the US some people won't see mixed people not as mixed, travel the world and we definitely know the difference.
@@akosua8779 Exactly! perpetuating the one drop rule in 2019 is a mistake! People should be proud of who they are!
LOL except for all the black people who are your skin color, phenotype, hair, etc... LOL
Yes i felt the comment on standing next to light skin women and not being acknowledged!
Then dont stand next to them
@@girlonfire2.076 That's the solution really? :/
Girl I'm sure if you knew the men that aren't acknowledging you, you'd be grateful that you dodged those bullets 😂
That’s insane
I completely understand. A few years ago I went to a Spanish neighborhood with my dark skinned friend and we were trying to flag someone down for help with items we were trying to DONATE. They completely ignored her and the same ppl stopped to listen when I spoke. Funny thing is that my dark skinned friend has SO much more confidence + joy than me! I'm the one who usually hides and runs from socializing!! I didn't realize what happened! But the anger in her face explained it all! I felt so bad. That's when I became aware. I never experienced anything like that prior to that situation so I had no idea things like that happen.
I'm Guatemalan American and whenever we go back to Guatemala we like to travel to all parts and the last time we came to visit we tried to go to Livingston Guatemala because it has a Garifuna community which is what Joanna is and I just love how she mentioned the situation in Guatemala about being mixed it's very real and unfortunate because the truth is every skin tone is a work of art and beautiful. I love the representation Joanna is bringing from Guatemala ❤️
@ash I was watching another video, Black in Latin America I think, and I can't remember if the girl was Garifuna, but there was this really interesting dynamic in her community around hair. Everyone was mostly dark, but they distanced themselves from being called negra if they had straight hair. Straight hair made you mixed - despite the fact that they all are likely mixed. What made it weird was her reaction & body language. She was smiling through this nervous denial "Noooo, no, no, no, no, no I'm mixed. Straight hair means you're mixed." It just made me wonder how they're treated for her to respond that way.
That’s the reality for those of us with roots in Latin America. I’ve got folks from Nicaragua and Panama. For black Panamanians it’s a little different because many are actually Caribbean/West Indian and bond together based on that heritage. In Nicaragua where my grandmother was born the situation is much different. Being mixed and not looking too black was more important. In fact, it was best if you could pass for white altogether.
I am also Afro Guatemalan and was shocked to see us being represented
I've met. Different people from Garifuna tribes from Honduras and Guatemala I think it so cool because these brothers and sisters look like me. There are always surprised that I've heard of their tribe.
@TheActivistBook It's a byproduct of colonialism.
I feel like some mixed folks like myself haven't come to grips with the fact that we are our own lane. We are neither and both at the same time. But we have our own actors, musicians, athletes and everything else.
Both my sides are beautiful, and all shades of skin are beautiful also.✌🏻
Yes my fellow mixie!
U can actually choose to embrace both but unfortunately the world will most likely try to put u in a box! Just be the best YOU!! LOVE ALL OF YOU!
Yes! People feel the need to put mixed people in one side or the other causing mixed people to either pick sides or feel confused about their identity. Be who you are and be proud of who you are and all your heritage, no need to deny it! This is 2019, people who be accepted for who they are!
In Africa they are called coloured. They have their own community and mostly marry themselves. They created their own culture and they are just as racist as whites. So it can be done.
Yes, mixed race/biracial straddle both worlds, and there is tremendous beauty and life in that experience. Screw anyone who tries to disrespect us coz of our heritage - for all the whites who treat me 'better' (and honestly I get enough racism from that all people in this country) coz I am mixed, there is x1000000 more black folk who look down on me - not because of my behavior or action but because of my skin tone and my having a parent who is not black. Am I to sit here and try and minimize myself because of colorism that I DID NOT CREATE? Sorry, no thanks.
2:49 She said her mother is white and that she's not half white, she's a "black woman"...huh? I sense some identity issues.
As a black woman, I only claim half of her.
this is what they do all the time in America. Here in Africa she is considered biracial
She has identity issues indeed. She's mixed race
This conversation wasnt as deep as it could've been......
We shouldn't rely on another people to do it for us. It shouldn't happen on another's platform anyway.
You have to include phenotype when discussing colorism as well.
Like facial features?im sure naiomi Campbell’s experiences is different from Whoopi Goldbergs
Rome Wylder yes! That’s exactly what’s I mean. Also, bi-racial and racially ambiguous people that are mixed with black that have more “black features” such as the wide nose, thick lips, nappy hair versus those with more Eurocentric features will have a different experience to certain degree as well.
Thank you! Discrimination with hair texture and facial features is a problem too. A dark skin woman with loose curls and small nose would get treated totally different than a dark skin black woman with 4c hair ,full lips and a wider nose. Another toxic part of our culture we need to discuss
@@romewylder5489 exactly!!!! ty so much for this.
@@romewylder5489
Very true!
I'm sorry but mixed/biracial are just that mixed
Why be sorry about it do? It's like saying "I'm sorry but the color red is red."
Period
Remofilwe From South Africa biracial*
Ok but why is that considered like something we shouldn’t be proud of?
@@rileycoleman2468 Who said you shouldn't be proud of it?
Love the natural hair
Yessss, not a weave in site. Luv that natural hair!
😍😍😍😍
Brown folk need to accept Brown folk. Stop doing to each other what "they" do to us. Control the narrative.
@Anshu Choudhary Well you can clearly see that black people are brown and not actually black lmao
@Anshu Choudhary yeah but the thing is there are many south Asians that have the same colour as any black person lmao im somali and i get mistaken for indian alot lmao
Anshu Choudhary whats ur point
Khalid Mohamed mayn I hate Somalis who think they are Bantu
amen
Hey now! As a dark-skinned woman I'm glad that these women are talking about this! I knew this was an issue when my daughter came home from school crying because she was being teased about her dark-skin. I knew I had to do a better job because I thought I schooled her and taught her about her beauty. Nice segment. Wish it was longer. Peace to loving ourselves!
I have 3 children and my oldest is a big dark Male. He is beautiful but people act as if he does not exist. I cant stop his pain and it hurts.
that's so sad hopefully things get better ❤
troll. I least I hope. how can you describe your child like a dog or a horse " big dark male"? you p.o.s
cinnamonstar808 you realize that too? Smh
I went to a predominately yt school in elementary and they used to make fun of me and think my hair wasnt mine . They said “Dark skin people doesnt have long hair “ it sucked but it made me tough . Thats the sad reality of growing up black that even black people make those assumptions towards each other smh
Funny you'd say this because I was just telling someone the other day that growing up the only girls I knew with really long thick hair were of a darker hue but they sure weren't light skinned or mixed.
2:09...my experience everyday its like i dont exist because am darkskinned, nobody greets you when you with ur mates they absolutely always ignore u....its not even sad anymore its just funny like wow the irony.....love yalll...this was a wonderful video
Yaaaas sis wit the pink( platinum) hair, I've stood next to my friends who are lighter than me, dude tryna holler and completely ignored my whole existence, I started looking at my arms feeling myself to make sure I was still visible cuz dude wouldn't even look in my direction
Carlotta Young 😢😢
I remember when I was growing up and at the age of 4 or 5, some of my cousins came to visit from NY. Well I'm twin but we're fraternal and my sister is lighter than I am. Well my cousins convinced my sister to not play with me. They pulled her away and told her we can't play her (me) because she's too dark. That destroyed my feelings like something awful. Through out the years growing up it was where's the dark one, she's too dark put powder on her face, you can't go outside to play because you're already dark and you don't need to get any darker, or come here blackie. All those things that were said to me and then more broke my self-esteem so when I became an adult and ventured out on my own it was tough. I joined the military and that's when I started growing my self-esteem. I would have friends and strangers complimenting me on my looks and my smooth dark skin. It felt weird to me because I had never had anyone call me beautiful when I was a child growing up. It took me awhile to learn how to accept compliments because they made me feel uncomfortable and undeserving. Emotional scars are real and I pray folks do better when it comes to destroying a child self-esteem early on because that child will never forget the feeling of not being "enough", especially to their parents and other family members.
I've noticed that whenever colorism comes up and the focus is on the perspectives of dark women and what they've experienced, light women are compelled to try and make things about themselves.
Always
As a dark skin female, I'm over this conversation. I can't feel inferior to a light skin person I can possibly bring into this world and I cannot pay attention to a psychological disturbed male who may dislike himself we just need to celebrate our skin tone more and be responsible for our images cos it's clear no one will do it so that's where I'm at.
kumsin nasadi so truee!!!🤷🏾♀️
💯👸🏾
You sound healthy and removed from wrongful feelings. All the best to you.
This is so deep. I felt this yesterday and I was so shocked at how it affected me that men were ignoring me and paying attention to my mixed friend.
Y’all are some haters in the comments. This is what black ppl mean - and I’m talking the entire shade range - mean when they say ‘the most hate they get is from black people’. Can people not just speak.
No, this group didn’t discuss everything because it’s a FIVE minute video
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PurpleKoco bbygirl you do realize there’s only 1 shade of black and Africans and black Americans are all brown from the lights tone to the darkest shade of brown no matter how dark they get they ain’t black it’s still in the brown color , Im majoring in Art so I learn about this stuff
Amen it's a 5min EDITED video
Hidden Secret seems like u disregarded her entire point, to lecture her about “color”, when u know she was speaking about black people in general. Cmon now, did she really have to be LITERAL for you to understand.
Kinda gross that the biracial girl COMPLETELY disregards her mother's genetic input to "feel" or "claim" more blackness. That is disgusting, it's household rasisim to disgrace to deny her mother for her own gain. She is not JUST black. It doesn't matter if she denys it or not.
I thought it was an interesting discussion. Of course the title alone attracts the racist trolls who have no curiosity about the world and about other people's experience.
Izzie Storm's World They’re tired of people complaining but they come to discussions involving race and then whine and complain about how irritating that is to them? They don’t care about others plight but they care enough to comment? This is a free platform and people can discuss what they want to discuss and if they don’t like it they can click somewhere else. Duh? Clearly their own problems aren’t interesting or great enough because they’re too concerned what others are saying about theirs.
@Izzie Storm's World you are from Houston so of course your opinion would be trashy and poor
I'm glad to see that there is starting to be peaceful discussions about colorism within our community. The fact of the matter is color rinse of does go both ways. Just as Society has discriminated against darker skin blacks in general, there has also been discrimination against light-skinned blacks within the black community. This whole light-skin vs. Dark-skin driver has been nothing but fortified by racist white institutions on the outside pitting us against each other based intelligence, comes to business deals, or even socialisation.
Nice to see Garifuna women (and from Guatemala) represented!
You cant force Men to change their preference, respect it and grow up
I was hesitant to watch this thinking it would be like the other videos on this topic, but I'm glad I did. You have some very educated and kind-hearted women on this panel who were really listening to each other and uplifting each other. It's lovely.
If you don’t want to listen don’t click
@@JihadJoe_ The Guardian have not rebranded/ repackaged this as colourism. It already existed. Racism is based off race, while colourism is based of shades of colour within that race.
@TheActivistBook They've had colourism in many parts of the world for centuries , not due to white people. Some of it came from different caste systemsbefore white people entered the picture.
@TheActivistBook Totally wrong
@TheActivistBook you have to be pretty far gone to believe the things you believe. I feel sorry for you.
@TheActivistBook I'm sure your facts are fine. It's your sudo scientific analysis of the facts that is not.
I wouldn't call myself educated if i had a history degree.
Clearly you are concerned since you felt the need to emphasise how unconcerned you are via unnecessary capitalisation and hyperbole. ;)
That Avery is confused AF 😂😂😂😭 her mum is white, but she’s saying he’s NOT half white...she’s black.
It is by design. This is what happens in a racist society.
There's no such thing as being "half white." You either are or you aren't. There isn't a white half of the person that doesn't experience racism with the black half.
Orchid X there’s a thing called biracial you fucktard
Being dark skinned and a woman is a sorority of a special kind. You literally have to go through alot to be in it. I know I did.
Me too!
So impressed with the level of understanding, you are all queens and i love and admire you all.
Honestly, I'm annoyed this is still a conversation. We know this info already and I feel like it's being milked. Instead, we need to broadcast the ways to fix and heal these wounds. They are deeply rooted and it's best if we keep the narrative going into another direction than to keep doing these group discussions about it. And I'm not saying ignore this issue but again, we KNOW it's an issue. Why keep talking about it; we are more than our oppression.
Conversation is apart of the healing process. Talking about things you've experienced can be a means of letting go of pain, coming to terms with it and learning from it. It's why therapy is effective for some or talking to a close friend about your struggles. Also it may seem surprising but there are many who are unaware especially if they are not directly negatively effected or people outside the black communities. Keep in mind we are living in a era where black people and many other disenfranchised can speak on their own behalf. I find it is much more sincere when a person speaks their own truth. It can create a bond for people who experienced something similar and feel less alone. They also spoke about learning to love themselves briefly and I think people can reach that relationship internally by having others being empathic and loving back towards. Speaking and listening is one powerful yet simple way.
Dorothy Zbornak trust that we don’t ALL know the issue. It’s easy when coming from a place of education and therefore privilege to feel like these conversations are everywhere but they aren’t and it is SOOO important to have the media recognize them as valid especially media with wider audiences. Representation always matters. When I hear these things I’m not relieved Bc I haven’t heard it before. I’m relieved Bc now I have a resource to point others in my life toward.
Same reason we talk about feminism or racism
We definitely have to do this together. In response to the comment about darker skinned women not being acknowledged or seeming invisible, we need our lighter-skinned counter parts to speak up in moments like this. This is just one example of how we can begin to obstruct colorism.
Light skinned/biracial women want to be included in the black community but they separate themselves when dark women are being degraded by everyone. They benefit from light skinned privildged in the black community just like whites benefit from white privilege in our society. They don't want change.
Ms.Bubs4fun, nope. My mixed race and light skinned friends and myself (I'm light skinned) speak out quite a bit. We chewed an ignorant dude about it just yesterday.
@@Intellectualrigor You chewed a dude out for being disrespectful? But what happens when it's not outright disrespect? What happens when someone just casually speaks to you and ignores your dark-skinned, big-boned friend? This is the problem with lighter skinned allies: They only "speak out" when they have no skin in the game. I want to see lighter skinned women giving up agency, privilege and space so that darker women can have room to be themselves, and to be seen.
@@My-lt2to, I introduce my friend because it's just damn rude behavior.
Mya really?!? ‘Light skin allies?’ That’s a thing now? I’m so tired of this black victimhood. We are not victims. That’s really insulting to dark skin girls & you are taking away their agency. We have the power if we are willing to use it. This bs plays into the liberal ‘woe-is-me’ narrative. We don’t always need someone to help us - we must help ourselves.
How strange, I thought the guardian was based in the UK. In fact the office is 15 minutes from my home. As usual with all white owned / runned media we are hearing the African American perspective. WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. There are diffences in the UK.
Nats what do you mean
Yes! They should say "African American" in the title rather than black! Or black in America!
Black people exist in many countries and this does not represent the experience of black people in general!
There's Black people in Europe, Africa, Latin America, The Caribbean... And the stories are completely different than what they show here!
@Noble Wolf Well I find it fascinating and interesting that you are a white Brit yet your command of the English language appears to be deplorable.
Noble Wolf maybe if your people didn’t make life such a misery for black people worldwide they would enjoy life a little more...
Love this. Different ages, skin tones and ethnic-subcultures. Beautiful and essential for the culture. The older woman beautifully represented those who are not usually seen in a positive light.
The mixed girl Avery is not black she is mixed. Please own that identity Avery.
this was the best content on colorism I've watched so far. The conversation is very straight-forward, also I love to see how diverse all those women are and therefore beautiful in their own way. Plus, I feel like there is a sense of sisterhood in the way they talk to each other and that's how it should be.
Excellent conversation. Thanks @TheGuardian.
@@JihadJoe_ The question is where did the problem originate? The answer is colonialism. It's been a cancer to indigenous people worldwide. Who cares about the name when it's the defective mental illness of racial intolerance that's the issue?
@@JihadJoe_ White people refuse to take responsibility for the havoc they've created. Colonialism is still happening. What do you think is going on in the Middle East? 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow are still affecting Black people in America and colonialism in Africa and Australia has severely damaged the indigenous people via disruption of land rights and human rights. It's quite disgusting to see the myopia of whites. I'm over the ignorance and the indifference.
@@JihadJoe_ White people don't mind their own business. They're land thieves and greedy power hungry vultures who refuse to leave countries to manage their own affairs. Leave me alone.
@@deanok306 So? We're murdering them now for their natural resources and global dominance.
@@JihadJoe_ ROFL, It's hilarious that you would say that yet *YOU* don't understand the conversation in the video. Look in the mirror and say that to yourself.
Wish this was longer. This was great!🙌🏾
About time!!
Eight white men discuss the politics of skin tone:
"Want a beer?"
"Yeah ok."
But that conversation would be proper & more productive. LET BE HONEST nobody else was in attendance for the 1st meeting in skintone. Yeah, "black" would not be my 1st choice. I hate to be a smarta_s but I know my colors: Im gonna go out on a limb and say "yellow or "red" aren't those people 1st choice in self-description either.
nobody else was picking out colors for themselves on the Race committee
My PARENTS ARE BLACK AND MARRIED. I AM NEXT. MY GRAND PARENTS ARE MARRIED. I HAVE TWO AUNTS MARRIED ALL BLACK. Its possible ladies.
of course in the past black folks got married, you can check the data , pre civil rights era the black marriage rates were higher than the whites, after the civil rights era that's when it took a dramatic drop
Class And Sass well I mean that was the past and things have changed...although it’s is possible
j mc one of mt just got re-married a couple years ago. My parents did not get married during the civil rights era. 😂 Im just trying to give us ladies some factual encouragement.
Class And Sass ok I agree
The bar has been set so low. Why would something like this not be possible???? Hell. People get married as teenagers all the time. Teenagers are smarter than yall???
Thank you ladies for this conversation. It is very important in this day and time.
Here's this why not use an equal amount of energy used in talking bout colorism into talking bout how to properly promote dark skin women , the masculine , fat , loud , and ghetto image needs to retire
Exactly.I totally agree
Stop trying to promote lies. That's what majority of bw are like. Stop mistreating everyone and the "image" will change.
@@saeon4427 its called jealousy
agreed.
if y'all gunna say it's okay for a man to like a man or a woman to like a woman then , you can't control who you are attracted to that's what they say all the time then why is it a problem to like a light skin don't make no sense case closed don't wanna hear it.
I'm light and not mixed. At the end of the day, we're all Black and need to stick together. Period. This divide and conquer bs is played out.
Lovely Ishername bbygirl you do realize there’s only 1 shade of black and Africans and black Americans are all brown from the lights tone to the darkest shade of brown no matter how dark they get they ain’t black it’s still in the brown color , Im majoring in Art so I learn about this stuff
Your not black stfu
There’s truth in the saying “the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice”. Know Thyself, Love Thyself!!!!
And as an East Asian, I’ve just felt invisible most of my entire life. People cheer on movies like Crazy Rich Asians, whereas I think it just creates more Hollywood stereotypes.
shes not black lol the main reason why colorism exists is because we started calling mixed people black
That's not true at all. The reason we see anyone who has any black in them at all as just black is because we see black as negative. It's sort of like the black tarnishes the rest. It's the result of colorism, not the reason.
@@noelleirina5628 true but also even back in slavery days mixed slaves were treated better
This concept of calling mixed people black came from the one drop rule, and the one drop rule is in itself racist! According to it, being white is the "pure race" and any sort of drop of blackness is enough to make you not pure anymore so therefore you become immediately black! You can see that no other ethnicity in the world has this concept, only when it comes to mixing with black.
It's time to end this racist thinking and people should be celebrated for whoever they are! The future of humanity is mixed! Beauty comes in all forms, mixed or not, you should love yourself for who you are!
@@sumimaind Exactly!
Compact Right.
That was a really nice conversation and I'm glad I tuned in.
I wish this interview was longer. This conversation is so important and within the Black community we act like it doesn’t exist.
Great talk ! however As a european media I wish @theguardian created a panel of "black british"or "black european women .
Sis, stop waiting and wishing for them to do it and create that panel discussion yourself.
Exactly! They ended up putting all black women in the same basket as African American women. Black people have experience is completely different experiences depending on the country they come from...
@@1stdaughter they are already media tackling this issue however they do not have the same visibility as the guardian . Look up " the grapevine london edition or cecile emeke strolling series giving voices to "black european experiences "
So, your mother is white but you are not white. How exactly does that work?
I don’t think you can re-write 400 years of history (enslavement, Black codes, Jim Crow) at your convenience, but maybe if you’re a white woman, you can.
@TheActivistBook What?? What does that have to do with Brazil?
I am Brazilian and this "one drop rule" *NEVER* existed in Brazil! I think you need to polish your research skills...
Don't you have eyes on your face? Of course she is not white and european.
@@ilvailvandoniherde496 And of course, she is not black and African! Where are your eyes? In Uranus?
@@sumimaind I don't care what you dark people think. For me they are black African.
I rewind the section from 5.25 to the end again and again so much I cried with the lady who said " I love u so very much" cause that lady with the short blonde hair said I so well and said it best!!!
Where's the rest of it? Please post the entire conversation!!! This was great!
Very true what the Guatemalan girl said.
I wish you guys got a Habesha woman in this conversation, colorism is a prevalent issue within the Habesha community.
loveurselv2 I agree they should have had a Habesha woman. But i don’t think it’s a prevalent issue within our community ... unless I just haven’t experienced it?
@@Jesus.saved.me. you probably have experienced it and it is a VERY prevalent issue.
Really? How so
love watching these conversations!
This discussion needs more than the 5 minutes posted here. A lifetime of experiences shared here that should be part of a series.
In reviewing some of the comments here, it seems to me that some people have forgotten that there is a large African diaspora across the world. And that there is more than one way to be, have, and represent blackness. It comes in many different forms. So try to uplift and honor all of its expressions.
Why all the dislikes??
Wanna take a wild guess lol?
Ignorance. People hate the power of Black women speaking their truth. Nothing ever changes in the demented mind of the oppressors.
@@John-mu2js hopefully videos like this will educate more people, I thought it was really insightful
Some people benefit from colorism and racism so they don't want this topic to be exposed because then it will bring change. Fair and equality is the privileged worst nightmare.
Some are hatefully, others ignorant.
I'm not dark skinned but I'm not light skinned either. I definitely feel like I've experienced being unacknowledged while standing next to a lighter skinned woman though, but I never understood why until the recent years. I was always quiet and reserved so it didn't bother me until I began to be aware and question
Love this. Thank you for the necessary conversation.
This discussion is needed and beautiful!! I disagree though with the young lady that said she is black. If you have one parent that is white and the other is black you are biracial. She shouldn’t discount her mother.
“Jay Z, Diddy, Swizz Beatz and somebody else...”, somebody else 😂
Serena Williams ?
Wow what a beautiful conversation, there was so much love and admiration that see and hear from these ladies. Yeah ,🏋️ thank you for embracing your skin and beauty all around. This made me smile so much 😊😊😊
This was a real conversation with different perspectives. They seemed engaged with one another and attentive to what the next sista had to say. Bravo ladies ☺️
I live in the UK, I have two black parents from Jamacia my dad is from St Elizabeth which is known for "Red skin" people. The majority of my family is dark and a few of us are quite light. I've had people literally go and ask me "What are you? " I tell them I'm black and they look at me bewildered until they really get to know me. Jamacian people see me and know exactly where I'm from but even some black people think I'm mixed until they see the lunch I bring to work oxtail and rice and peas, callalou and some nice plantin boiiiii ❤️. Spice bun and cheese this Easter thooo whose got there's already 😂
Tian-Africa Simms plantain
@@babybrea2946 thanks? Lol
Tian-Africa Simms it was ment to be a joke hope u got it cah ur Caribbean and I’m Nigerian we say it different
Same like Colin Powell!
Try telling Igbo people that they are not black or African!
Let us say this altogether, your skin colour is not a choice.
I always find it amusing how many mixed race and bi-racial people are black when it suits ie The Duchess of Sussex, Bob Marley, Obama,,Malcolm X. Need I go on?
I believe you get a lot this nonsense from where people haven't travelled or haven't been brought up in a multiracial city like London. People don't have time for that!
I don't care what your complexion is, you still can't beat fried plantain!
All beautiful ladies!!! It is sad we live in a world where some beautiful ladies feel "invisible" just because of their skin tone. To deal with this everyone has a part to play.
I don't think so. Nia would be well perceived among slavs and east asians but those fat ladies should stay invisible in USA.
"Everyone is beautiful in their own" promotes overt narcissism and covert communism. During the Comintern, poor people were the first to sign up to collectivism because they had nothing to lose. For the same reason, it is usually ugly fat people or those who sympathizes ugly people who likes to say everyone is beautiful.
@@Todsor i can bet you're ugly. people have different perceptions of beauty. for example, i found the bald woman with the red shirt the most beautiful. not the lighter skinned one. nor do i tend to find white people attractive. perception.
@@VanessaAttah oh my god this dude deadass compared having self confidence and promoting self love to communism😆😆😆 I can't
This is very interesting. I love hearing this conversation!!!
Truth b told we live in a world where beauty speaks regardless of ones skin tone.. i am very dark and striking my skin is so smooth i am always asked what do i put on my skin. I would love to assembly women like myself that have positive experience so such discussions wont be so one sided
Brownskin girl..ya skin just like pearls..best thing in the world..I never change it for anybody else💕
*Women who truly have it hard don't cry as much. They know crying won't gain them sympathy because society doesn't care. Never has.*
Crying at the drop of a hat is a luxury and impulse of women who are used to getting *ATTENTION* and help when they indicate distress. Thus White and light women tend to crack tears to highlight their points.
(I know.)
Mmm hmm...because we've never seen a dark-skinned woman crying over colorism...OK.
@@orchidx774 - *Sure we have..... about as much as we see men crying over being too fat.*
It happens, but not nearly as much. That's the point. Stop being offended long enough to consider the TRUTH in this.
@@trudesoto7807 It's a ridiculous assertion, it isn't the "TRUTH." The fact that you can't see the bigotry in lumping light skinned black women in with white women really invalidates any point you could possibly try to make about "tears." Maybe people aren't crying because reality doesn't necessarily match the narrative.
@@orchidx774 - And squirrels are elephants! It's RIDICULOUS to assert otherwise.
**See? I can also make a STATEMENT as if the statement proved a point.**
I offered a valid THEORY, which you couldn't offer a single counter argument for. Instead, you accused me of prejudice.....FOR COMPARING LIGHT SKINNED WOMEN TO WHITE WOMEN!
Did you even think about that?! *You were perfectly fine with the idea of lumping WHITE women together as privileged females who cry frequently (and disingenuously) because they are used to being rescued, protected and avenged. But the idea that women who bare a RESEMBLANCE to White Women may get special treatment (and cry more expecting it) is RIDICULOUS?!*
Interesting. So: 1) you reject all notions that having lighter skin and eyes and/or straighter hair gives ANYONE of any race an advantage? 2) Or are you just saying that LIGHT SKINNED BLACK WOMEN don't have privileges that affect the way they are?
There's so many comments on how the biracial woman shouldn't be complaining when she's sitting next to black women that acquire discrimination as soon as they're born. Coming from someone who is biracial I understand where she is coming from and I'm kind of disappointed that some of these people in the comments don't seem to understand where she is coming from.
When you're biracial you have to deal with half of the black community constantly telling you you're white because you're not fully black or you're not "black enough" while the other half of the black community seems to only see your light skin and fetishes that specific characteristic. Meanwhile, half the white community only sees you as "nappy headed" or "unprofessional" when you try to embrace your beautiful african features and the other half fetishes your features also. Honestly, I don't think it will take awhile before either community respects and appreciates biracial children just because history. And I don't believe treatment of beautiful black women and beautiful brown and/or biracial women should be held higher than another or taking more serious than the other. I believe we all need to work together to bring comfort and togetherness within our community because we have many other problems to solve and we can't do that divided.
Black enough for slavery in 1860
Even though this video was about "Colorism" all i could see were a bunch of beautiful sisters! you guys came through with such a peaceful, laid back vibe! Even y'all "Ummm's" were in harmony lol beautiful video x
Um the mixed chick you are not black but carry on.....
And this is why the counterargument will always exist that not only dark-skinned people are affected by colorism.
So we never had a black president then.
Nomacehualpoyohuan V No
Nomacehualpoyohuan V no
@@nomacehualpoyohuanv6075 No he was mixed race or biracial. One parent was black the other was white. It doesn't take a genius to work that out!
Happy to see more Garifuna presentation 💜 i feel like Afro-latinidad in Central America can be real confusing especially with the mixture of mestizo's
This was so interesting. I loved this.
Can someone explain to me what’s the difference? Because back in the 90’s it wasn’t much of a complaint when dark skinned men and women were rejected for the Shamar Moore, or Chico Debarge/ Sade, Mariah Carey type.
Beautiful unbiased conversation......love to all women of colour worldwide 💐💕🙌🏿🙏🏿
Yess melanin! I love blackness in all its forms ❤️. We’ve got to stand, whether it be in solidarity, or to protect or to be seen. This fight can be won together.
They are all so beautiful! It’s refreshing to see women with hair like mine and embracing it. Wigs are beginning to feel like the norm when scrolling through Instagram, had me questioning myself for a hottt minute 😥
Love this!💕
1:45 i loveeeeee her earings omgggg
Fr tho I look light skin but my parents are both African am fully black but some people always be thinking am mixed with something 😩
I'm a white Asian (moderately pale) and I feel so bad whenever my friends mock another friend of mine who's black. I'd shut em down and they'd invalidate me, they'd say he wouldn't know about it. And I'm like, fr? Sometimes I would look at myself in the mirror and I would be ashamed of my own skin just because my friend's constantly mocked because of his own. I feel so bad because of being white. I think that friend of mine is incredibly gorgeous. Personally, I'd prefer to be around black people.
Wish it was longer!