PSA 1.2 Puretech Engine Cambelt change. How to change your Wet Timing belt Step-by-step.
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2022
- The PSA 1.2 puretech engine is fitted to many vehicles. Mainly Peugeot, Citroen and fords.
It has what is known as a Wet Timing belt, meaning the belt is driven internally, not externally as more common place. Meaning it is encased and lubricated in engine oil.
This a relatively new new method used by vehicle manufacturers. The idea being it should last longer. You can judge for yourself after watching this video.
In this Video I will show you how to change/replace the 1.2 puretech timing/cam Belt in a step by step tutorial.
This cam belt has only covered 40k and is 5 years old. You can see the deterioration!
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Nice and easy to understand without a lots of talking but directly to the job ❤
There is a timing tool that does not require the whole cover to be removed. Saves so much time 😄
Thanks for that. I might have a look into that then.
My 2016 Peugeot 308 belt had deteriorated by 39k miles. Just had it changed this week by dealer. Sump came off, a few seals replaced, e-brake cleaned, water pump belt replaced. 50% goodwill cost covered by Peugeot. New oil is HelixUltra 0w20. Got lucky caught it in time.
That’s great news.
At what cost please
Ours has just gone too. Was your car in warranty? How did you claim that cost back from Peugeot??
Why 0w20, isnt too thin?
I keep thinking of devising a chain adaption for these......the scrapyard here in Catalunya"desgauce" now getting these in only with broken engines😂😂
Remember to also remove the sump and clean the belt particles from the oil pump strainer.
That’s right Thanks. All covered in another video.
That was a very good video
Many thanks.
Hi, nice video and well cut so its easier to look at. I understood all very well thank you, except the point how you put the belt around or over the crank behind the cover.how did you manage that?could you name the torques of the tensioner, polley and crank pulley?
Greetz
Excellent video
Thanks!
The problem is the Dayco belt that comes with it. Dayco has issued recalls for PSA, VW, Ford and a few other brands. They also state that using the exact same oil is very important in preventing the issue and that after replacing the belt you should be good for another 100000 miles.
The new Puretech from 2022 did away with the belt and runs on chain
It's newest version of timing belt from Dyco? I have yellow but they have white also.
You don’t have to do half of what he’s said in this video, if you get the timing tool kit, that is pretty inexpensive, this job can be done in 5hrs, as a stellantis tech I can do it it 2 hrs
I’m not aware of any other locking kit. I know the job is a drawn out one with this kit. And it is doable this way in about 4hrs anyway.
Very good video. Unfortunately the PureTech engine has too many design flaws. Mine gave up via the belt and oil leaks at 105,000 km.
Sad to see that customer services (Peugeot for me) are not at all up to scratch and find every excuse not to participate in the cost of repairs.
Interesting comment. Thanks.
47k miles mine snapped. Absolute joke of a car, will never purchase car with a wet belt again
Good vid Masha Allah
toooop man thank you good vedio
Thanks.
Brill job when people say car,t trust the belt I'll change mine every 2year better than a new engine I thought it's going to be harder .you made it look easy thank for your time you have put in
No problem. Hope the tutorial helps you complete the job.
What was the mileage of that engine? So many oil leaks everywhere ( not a good sign
what belt should i use?
Opel dealer say there is no need to check sump for debree. There was only a certain few of them engines that belt particles clogged up the sump. If this is true, i dont know.
Kia Picanto - 2007 original cambelt since new. Changed this year at 76,000 miles - 17 years. Original one looked like new. Now Kia have only been making cars since the 1990s. What is the matter with Peugeot? Have they suddenly turned dumb with this design ? Why would they self impose all the warranty claims against them and ruin their reputation?
This engine is designed by both Peugeot and BMW. Peugeot and Citroën have always been shit brands.
@@MrPitts72 Disagree, I got a Volvo V60 with the 1.6 PSA Engine. About 250K Kilometers now, only AC and EGR valve failed.
@@MrPitts72"engine designed by Peugeot and BMW. Peugeot and Citroen have always been shit brands" Makes perfect sense 🤣 Tell that to the Police who returned all their BMWs for exploding and breaking down on duty 🤣
There are lots of comments about the intervals of changing the timing belt. What are the real intervals. My grandlans is 4 years old and 27.000 km (16 777 miles). Should I had them changed?
I’m not sure what the mileage interval is but I have found these need doing about 40 to 50k miles due to the deterioration of belt blocking oil strainer.
So no need to remove camshaft pulleys? Also the flywheel locking tool, is there a bolt that has to be removed or does the tool slot straight in? Last Q, am I brave enough to attempt this DIY? lol
You don’t, although I would loosen then Then when once belt tensioned torque up. That ensures perfect timing. The tool just slots in. Carefully turn crank slowly and and it will drop in. If you have done belts in past. Go for it. If not don’t. It is a big job.
Mine got new belt in April this year and now the complete,new engine is put in on warranty due to too high oil consumption.60 000km .hope it is 3.ed.
Seen many of these engines with oil consumption problems. Worn pistons/bores seem to be the main cause. Last week we had one in with excessive smoking which turned out to be the rings fitted without the correct spacing i.e all in alignment-factory assembled engine with 40,000 miles 😢
@@jfservices4944 thanks for info 👌my DS3 was manufactured in 2018 on of the last ones : in pearl black & dinamica "suede seats. I like it and hope new engine is good.
Link to locking kit please ?
So many out there it’s hard to know which is the correct one
Sure here’s the link. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143019513793?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=G3QEJzrKTde&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=l_98CtTJRJi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY. It’s the cheapest I can find.
Glad I found this, thanks. How much roughly should it cost to get done on a Citroen C1 1.2 2015 ?
The Citroen Fixed Price Charter website says 'Timing belt kits fitted for £895'. Am I best to go to them do you think?
Car is 8 years old and has done 53,000 miles.
My local garage did a service/MOT and said it needs doing but they can't do it. Thanks a lot :-)
If you shop around you should be able to get it done around £500/£600 give or take. Just make sure you use somewhere you trust or have some feedback from.
@@How2FixIt1 Thanks a lot for your reply, much appreciated :-)
@benben-my1rk your welcome! 🤗
@@How2FixIt1 Actually, the Citroen fixed priced fitting, of a Timing Belt Kit ( Petrol 1.2) is £499. The £895 was on a site that I thought was an official Citroen site (Charters). So I've booked in at my local Citroen dealership here in Devon. Cheers 🙂
@benben-my1rk nice one, glad you got a reasonable quote.
How did you manage to remove the cam cover to fit the cam locking tool. It feels solid after removing the bolts. Is the sealer that strong?
Thanks for your comment. Yes it is very strong. Make sure all bolts removed, then some steady prying.
@@How2FixIt1 i have it off here now. Gentle with it and it came apart. Is the tentioner bolt standard thread? Anti clockwise for loosinging? Its fairly tight and i dont want to break it.
Marvellous. Yes it’s a standard thread. Good luck!
@@How2FixIt1 ive ithe belt off and back on again. Will rebuild shortly. Have you a link to torque settings for the bottom pully as the inner t-belt pully isnt on a keyway only the outer harmonic pully. And i take it you need it torqued up to spec incase of the belt slipping on the crank. Thanks again for the info.
I don’t im afraid, sorry! Your welcome. Feel free to drop us a super thanks!
Hello,did you only changed the belt ,or also the crankshafts gears ?
How do! Just the belt, tensioner and guide. Thanks for your comment
@@How2FixIt1Thank you for the answer,do you know the mileage or the replace time period for the crankshaft gears ? The belt needs to be replaced and i am not sure if i have to change just the belt or the entire mechanism.The car has 47k km,3 years,warranty just expired.
@FireTigerHD nah wouldn’t have thought so. I haven’t ever done.
Hi, might be a stupid question but when the cam belt is changed does the oil need to be replaced???
I would recommend it on this engine. Thanks for your comment.
What about gasket seals, the video didn't mention replacing them?
Yes sure. Sorry about that. You will just need some flange sealant for sump and A little on the cam box. Other than that, that’s it. Don’t use silicone, it won’t seal half as good. Thanks for your comment!
Yes sure. Sorry about that. You will just need some flange sealant for sump and A little on the cam box. Other than that, that’s it. Don’t use silicone, it won’t seal half as good. Thanks for your comment!
@@How2FixIt1 Thanks for the quick reply! Yea been frustrated trying to find the gaskets. Found all apart from the cam cover, I guess that is using liquid sealant due to so many gaps that a gasket is pointless?
Also a big thanks for the videos, it's hard to find videos on this car/engine, I love it but needs alot of love to keep it running optimal. Plan to change the wetbelt and clean the inlet valves same time as it's drinking 1ltr oil every 1000km :/
@@csx296 your welcome. It’s always nice to find help when your in difficulty. Just get timing belt kit, oil and filter, and flange sealant and your good to go. 👍
Hi when do you recommend changing the water pump
This runs independently on this engine so will only require replacement if bearing noisy or worn and or leaking. Thanks for your comment 👍
@@How2FixIt1 thankyou
How much would it be roughly to carry out this job in a garage? Ive got a corsa 2020. And would likevto do it before its too late 🙄
Ours was quoted around £1200 in total
l heard about £900 don't know where was just told after we bought a picasso c3 puretech.
I plan to do it myself.
Is this engine an interference one. The cam belt has come off my parents 2008. The crank turns but doesn't lock up.
Can’t say. I would imagine so. Most engines are these days.
Had my belt changed at 58k now its drinking a quart of oil every 2k miles. Powerful engine but cant take the mileage
Can you tell me all the parts that you have changed? (or, seal, gasket, ecc)
Sure. Thanks for the comment.
I used a timing belt kit with belt, tensioner and guide. The locking timing tool kit from laser. New oil psa! And filter. Sealant for sump and upper cam casing.
@@How2FixIt1 thanks for the reply, was it difficult to fit the water pump belt? since it does not have a tensioner
@@cascio100 no. It’s best to loosely put belt on pump then on to loose crank pulley offering up to crank then staring the pulley bolts. Then tighten them evenly. This I found to be the easiest way.
Did you remove the injectors with the fuel rail or separate?
Removed them as one. Thanks for your comment.
@@How2FixIt1thanks, helpful video, need to take the head off to change valve seals as well as flakey timing belt 😢
Oh no. Hope it goes well.
Has anyone heard of this happening in 2020 models with the 1.2 puretech engine? Mine is a 130bhp and sometimes the oil light flashes saying low oil pressure etc but the level is fine. It then either turns off light or if you stop the engine and restart it doesn't flash again. Its weird cant get it to happen when i have it in for a service so the dealership isn't interested
It could well be. The only thing I can recommend is to remove the sump and check the pick up. It only takes ten minutes to remove. At least that way you will know.
We had same problems only 3 days after picking up our C3 aircross with a 70 plate and low mileage. Oil light started to flash. We had to turn off/on engine twice every time to stop it flashing. Then a few days later, the fix spanner light came on and 'top up oil' appeared on screen as well as the flashing oil light. Before this happened we had already checked oil and it was full.
Then all these warning lights suddenly disappeared starting the day just before we took it back to Stellatis dealer. Typical!! Anyway, told by dealer that it needs about 2 weeks to investigate/fix and we were given a courtesy car. After a week we were told that 90% it will need the timing belt to be replaced. But then the next day they said it doesn't need the belt replacement anymore and they have changed a few things like the oil plug/filter/sensor. We are now dreading of getting the car back and then more problems. We have completely lost our faith in Citroen/Peugeot. Will definitely keep away from them after getting rid of this one. Disgusting!!!!!!!
@vista2019 so sorry to here about that bad experience you had. It can be easily sorted, just having the knowledge and information helps, but the lower Belt change interval isn’t any good this day and age.
What is the best milage for the belt to be changed?
I believe the guide is 100k. But I would check with a reliable source. If you get the oil pressure light fault code. It’s more like 40k.
@How2FixIt Depending on the sales country it can be 100k or 120k yes.But I highly doubt that this could last that long..
According to service book, it is 100.000km/6years, whatever comes first.
Hi, i changed my 1.2 thp timing belt too. After change i tried to start engine but there is no compression. I used lock tool, i think timing ok. What do you think about that ? Did you take air from fuel rail, may it the cause ?
Thanks for the comment. Did you torque/tighten pulleys. And tensioner. Can you confirm no compression with tester. There won’t be air in fuel system this runs a huge pressures on modern gdi engines. Double check all you multi plugs and wiring! You may have left something.
@@How2FixIt1 i will check all then write you again. thnx for your answer.
Did you try replacing your oil filter and pump?
What was the cause after ?
@@pimbrokken yes
Hi very good instructional video thank you. I’ve got a problem I hope you can help me with please. I followed your video on my Peugeot 1.2 PureTech. I’ve gone wrong somewhere, the engine started after some coaxing but sounded like a bag of spanners so turned it off. Tried again after a few checks, it went into limp mode still ticking over, turned it off. No faults show from obd2 port although a message on the car’s screen said low oil pressure. I tried once more it wouldn’t start and it sounded like there was no pressure, or the belt had snapped. Took it apart today belt is ok although it is riding to far right on the cam phasers and to far left or forward on the crank sprocket. It’s almost coming off the crank. (Could to much tension on the belt do that) one more thing (sorry) with the crank in the same position as in your video ie 9 o’clock my cam marks are at 8 o’clock instead of 5 o’clock. Is my timing out or does the Peugeot have a different setup. Thanks again.
A lot to digest there. Firstly did you use a locking kit and did you mark up the belts new and old?
@@How2FixIt1 I meant to but I got carried away and forgot. It’s a trait I’ve had all my life. I locked the flywheel, with the camshaft I locked them in place with washers in the teeth held by nut and bolt, the ex cam did move so I put it back in place using a spanner on the cam flat bit. So I followed your vi but others as well. Another bad trait is I’m a tight wad also I can never make my mind up.
I should have broke the long msg down apologies again.
@@How2FixIt1 Thanks for the swift reply.
@@stephenkerry5660did you fix it?
How long did this job take to do roughly?
It’s about a 5 hour job with sump off and strainer clean.
@@How2FixIt1 Als je weet wat je moet doen en andere gereedschap hebt vervangen je zo riem in 1 a 1.5 uur.
is this though fixing the problem Permanent? customer came today with the same issue.... is there a TSB or new style of belt so this wont happen again?
Thanks for your comment. This is a serviceable item so it’s going to need replacement again within manufacturers recommendations and or when fault occurs again in about 40k.
Check for Dunlop's timing belt for the 1.2 puretech which is upgraded to resist more
@@spanish111japan thanks for the information
Dose the engine start if its wet belt
Don’t quite understand your question. Please explain more. Thanks.
@@How2FixIt1 you know when you had this issue with your car. Were you able to start the engine before changing the timing belt ? Cuz i have Peugeot 208 1.2 petrol. Its not starting is it timing belt or something els ?
@@benyaminreza yes it would start before. It just caused a fault code when first accelerated in morning. Caused by slow oil pressure. It could be a number of things. Tell me how many miles it’s covered.
@@How2FixIt1 77000.
It was fine runing very well and i parked for a few weeks then i tried to start it was starting . We push the car and jump start . I drive like 2 hr agin i couldn't start it . I have chnaged sperk and coail but still not starting
@@benyaminreza does it sound like there is compression when cranking engine. Or does it sound free spinning?
Producer: How much stupid should it be? Psa: yes! .
This is a job i would definately pay a garage to do. Too much at stake if it goes wrong.
To move the airbox back, just unscrew the 2 engine cover clip posts. Then you can push it back.
It should last longer but in reality breaks up, clogs the oil strainer and wrecks the engine at very low mileages😒
Dont understand the wet belt thing. In the past (before the bmw era) they used timing belt on the outside of the engine and it was fine.
is allemaal niet nodig wat je los haalt. Er is al speciaal gereedschap al voor gemaakt dat dit al niet meer een hoeft. Natte riem vervangen 1 a 1.5 uur werk.
Peugeot considère leurs clients comme responsable de leurs incompétences en ingénierie
You started with a turbo engine and then changed to a non turbo
The cam holding kit is different on each. You removed the brake servo pump to install the locking kit and then later showed the cam locking kit on a normal aspirated engine
Also you dont have to remove the fuel pump or fuel rail on either.
I have done loads of these as it's my job so I know what I am talking about
Uploading a video doing a wet belton 2 different engines is misleading
Avoid all this hassle buy a Japanese car
Where did the French get the idea of a timing belt in oil. I don't understand that logic.
I know. Think they was in it with everyone, nice idea in theory but in practice mmm!
Ford came up with it actually
@@spanish111japan and ford has troubles too
Dayco is the company making the belt and has issues recalls, the new Stellantis engines run on chains from 2022
Wow seems like a time consuming and expensive maintenance item.
I'll stick with a traditional timing belt, timing chain or OHV engine.
This is the same garbage used on the new 2024 Chevy Trax 1.2 liter 3 cylinder engine.
Why would anyone in their right mind buy such complicated crap!
Ford's ecoboost engine also has wet belt.
Other than that, such a small engine with direct injection and turbo wont have a very long life. Best engine would be one of at least 1.4-1.6L with indirect injection, no turbo and normal timing belt (which is cheap to replace).
You think this is complicated? Look at the Prince engine, if you wanna see what complicated means 🤣