Build dynamic loops in Ableton and layer them on top of each other; guest contributor Underbelly crafted this workflow. Download his template set here: djtechtools.com...
Doing this track with the looper plug-in seems so pointless. Why not just record each of these parts as a clip in different tracks? Then you don't have to keep deleting all the blank loops, like what he's doing with the piano keys. Seems like the advantage with using the looper effect is when you're doing audio overdubs (like with your voice). Because you can do endless overdubs - which doesn't work in a clip. Using it to just loop a MIDI-based instrument is inferior to just doing a MIDI loop (i.e. particularly because you can't quantize). I guess the only advantage to the setup he demonstrated, is that you can just do it one track - which could be helpful if you already have a lot of tracks to deal with.
Have you found out anything else about how to do this type of looping in a way that allows you to quantize midi? I just don't see how you could ever stack other clips or integrate looper into a produced song unless your performances were absolutely perfect
I think the advantage is that you can loop all instruments with the same midi-trigger, instead of a different record trigger for every clip. Or is that also possible with clips? If so let me know haha :p
I completely agree, although one aspect of Looper that's nice is that instead of requiring a click track to get you started you can establish the track tempo with the start/stop of your first layer. This feature alone makes live improvisation much simpler. What I'd like to see Ableton implement is the ability to overdub in clips (strictly midi, not routing to an audio track) and set track tempo with your first clip. I know that Looper allows you to drag to a clip and export the midi, but this is problematic for loops that have multiple layers (and disruptive/clunky during live performances).
I actually had to go out and buy a on off switch. sustain pedal creates too much room for error. you commented a year ago, so maybe you already solved this
dude, this is really inspirational. i have two questions -- can you get the midi out from the looper? and how exactly do you assign the controller and loop pedal to control and clear the looper? thanks!
just open ableton, press midi map button, then press on your pedal and you'll see where it is. obvs your keys have to be midi inputted to your soundcard lol mine is cc 64
You can drag Looper's progress indicator (the bars that light up as the loop plays) to any clip slot and it will export the midi from that loop. You can select melody (polyphonic) harmony (monophonic) or drums, but it can be problematic for loops that have multiple overdubbed layers.
I like the idea, nice one :) have you got plans on doing a walk through about how you mapped it? it would be helpful for people who want to use different controllers :D
Can someone help me out? clicking the clip play & stop button causes a drum hit to play, i dont know what's causing it in Live 9, any help would be greatly appreciated!
Nice tute, cheers. The drums seemed to be on each of the 4 tracks, when initially recorded? Before they were each deleted before being overdubbed with bass/keys/lead.
Hi, liked your video, thank you. (English language I know is not very good, I use Google translator) Tell me please how empty erase Loop? the moment when he showed that the set abrasion on the black keys. I would be very grateful for your help, thank you
Thanks, great tutorial, but I was wondering: what are the advantages of using looper instead of recording into clips in several tracks in session view?
The looper plugin allows you to layer patterns, whereas clips are confined to one active per column. This allows you to stack multiple phrasings for a single instrument, but it makes it a bit more difficult to setup scenes and switch between themes of your song. You can accomplish scenes with looper by setting up additional instruments or rack slots, but you'll need to get creative on how to activate/deactivate multiple channels at once.
Prof_Strangeman Official yeah its like hes actually making music with it or something, plus those fucking knob tops fall off if you wink at them the wrong way anyway
I've put my instruments rack in a MIDI track and my audio effects rack in a AUDIO track but that's the only way to get the signal coming in through the instrument rack its just not getting picked up from my looper audio effects rack. Anyone know why? Thanks!
Looks nice, only thing I didn't quite understood was why a put it all on the same track? What's the gain versus having the 4 instruments with their loopers on 4 different tracks?
Is there any way to do this in a way that allows to quantize the performances? I know looper is just a straight audio recorder but hoping there's a way to modify this to record actual launch-able clips as you would with normal recording?
Bro u just recorded all the lines on each other and we dont have each looped lines seperarely if u could just disscuss it or a trick that works to me ur e biggest helper tnx
you just plug it in to a footswitch plug on a controller or something. I plug mine in to the footswitch input on an mpd32. you can plug it into an interface (if it has a footswitch port) or a midi controller and just assign it like a regular knob or fader.
Bro can we talk about how you got that effect at the end when you turned the knobs and faders down? It sounded like the beat was about to slow down can get crazy!
i used a beat repeat on the master with the pitch decay knob around 15%. Then used a hipass filter and a simple delay to get that echo effect. Hope that helps
and the creative know-how. and randomly mapping new gear to things like looper. its amazing the things you can do, when you are connected to your music through the things that you own. Love akai P. thx 4 the extension of yourself....weed good one
you can tell this guy is holding back mad swag and trying to be very on point in this tutorial...
fayekhelmi Professionalism: knowing that swag has its time and place.
+yousuckatproducing Agreed LOL
+You Suck at Producing You made my day.
Yep. Pretty solid and self-controlled style, just telling us guys how to do it properly.
eloquence + knowledge > Profit! xD
He is ''you suck at producing'' xD
This comment was really confusing until I realized that's a username
You should invite French Kiwi Juice for a How do i play or something, FKJ rules the world
please
yup, thats what i was literally thinking before heading into these comments too, "wheres FKJ" lol
there’s so many better dudes tho
Doing this track with the looper plug-in seems so pointless. Why not just record each of these parts as a clip in different tracks? Then you don't have to keep deleting all the blank loops, like what he's doing with the piano keys.
Seems like the advantage with using the looper effect is when you're doing audio overdubs (like with your voice). Because you can do endless overdubs - which doesn't work in a clip. Using it to just loop a MIDI-based instrument is inferior to just doing a MIDI loop (i.e. particularly because you can't quantize).
I guess the only advantage to the setup he demonstrated, is that you can just do it one track - which could be helpful if you already have a lot of tracks to deal with.
Jonathan Haidle agreed
Have you found out anything else about how to do this type of looping in a way that allows you to quantize midi?
I just don't see how you could ever stack other clips or integrate looper into a produced song unless your performances were absolutely perfect
I think the advantage is that you can loop all instruments with the same midi-trigger, instead of a different record trigger for every clip. Or is that also possible with clips? If so let me know haha :p
I completely agree, although one aspect of Looper that's nice is that instead of requiring a click track to get you started you can establish the track tempo with the start/stop of your first layer. This feature alone makes live improvisation much simpler. What I'd like to see Ableton implement is the ability to overdub in clips (strictly midi, not routing to an audio track) and set track tempo with your first clip. I know that Looper allows you to drag to a clip and export the midi, but this is problematic for loops that have multiple layers (and disruptive/clunky during live performances).
This dude is super chill.
THE SUSTAIN PEDAL DOES TWO MIDI SIGNALS : MIDI ON AND MIDI OFF, HOW DO YOU SET IT?
I actually had to go out and buy a on off switch. sustain pedal creates too much room for error. you commented a year ago, so maybe you already solved this
dude, this is really inspirational. i have two questions -- can you get the midi out from the looper? and how exactly do you assign the controller and loop pedal to control and clear the looper? thanks!
just open ableton, press midi map button, then press on your pedal and you'll see where it is. obvs your keys have to be midi inputted to your soundcard lol mine is cc 64
I have the same question, can you program different gestures (like double tab) when midi mapping??
You can drag Looper's progress indicator (the bars that light up as the loop plays) to any clip slot and it will export the midi from that loop. You can select melody (polyphonic) harmony (monophonic) or drums, but it can be problematic for loops that have multiple overdubbed layers.
I like the idea, nice one :) have you got plans on doing a walk through about how you mapped it? it would be helpful for people who want to use different controllers :D
***** I'll keep that in mind for the next video :)
Underbelly, great video. Your timing on drums and keys is outstanding. I take it there was no quantizing going on here.?
+Dylan Turbulence i was wondering the same thing.. im such a noob
nope, all live
like a boss
His voice is so smooth
Can someone help me out? clicking the clip play & stop button causes a drum hit to play, i dont know what's causing it in Live 9, any help would be greatly appreciated!
You suck at producing right? I LIKE YOUR VIDEOS so much, i'll start doing some videos as well. Cheers from México
Juan Manuel Fonseca That's him!
hello there - does your midi foot pedal work in NOTE mode? does this not conflict with midi notes being plaeyd in?
Nice tute, cheers.
The drums seemed to be on each of the 4 tracks, when initially recorded?
Before they were each deleted before being overdubbed with bass/keys/lead.
Underbelly got his own channel "You suck at producing" which is funny and informational... good to see you at Ean Golden's channel here
yessir. Ean is the homie
underbelly the fuckin' man fuck yea
Hi, liked your video, thank you. (English language I know is not very good, I use Google translator) Tell me please how empty erase Loop? the moment when he showed that the set abrasion on the black keys. I would be very grateful for your help, thank you
Not only the video content is good, the way it is been described and explained its fantastic. Excellent teacher! Great video.
thank you! Really appreciate it
best video you guys have posted for a while, more of this guy pls
Thanks, great tutorial, but I was wondering: what are the advantages of using looper instead of recording into clips in several tracks in session view?
different strokes for different folks. I think the clip approach might actually be more flexible. Maybe you could give us a tutorial ;)
The looper plugin allows you to layer patterns, whereas clips are confined to one active per column. This allows you to stack multiple phrasings for a single instrument, but it makes it a bit more difficult to setup scenes and switch between themes of your song. You can accomplish scenes with looper by setting up additional instruments or rack slots, but you'll need to get creative on how to activate/deactivate multiple channels at once.
after watching 'you suck at producing' this demeanor cracked me the fuck up. great videos btw
Ok... a bit gymnastical of an exercise... I did it simply for the circuitry. : )
Yo the template isnt available for download anymore? Is there another link?
this dude is creeping me out somehow, he seems so stiff :D
legend! Thanks very much for this :) Just trying to build a live set so this is super helpful!
Cheers again. P
where can i get that awesome kick ?
why does my looper doesn't show the chain button??
Yooo. That is super cool, and that is the jankiest MPD I have ever seen! Haha, dude needs a new one stat.
Prof_Strangeman Official it's clearly well loved!
Prof_Strangeman Official yeah its like hes actually making music with it or something, plus those fucking knob tops fall off if you wink at them the wrong way anyway
The download of your file (LOOPHUB TEMPLATE Project) has been denied "due to security reasons"!!!!.......real shame I wanted to give it a try........
hey does any one know how i would incorporate a live instrument input to the instrument rack?
hi man ! congrats for your video. very nice ! I can't do the download of the template. can you send to me?
drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pUfVEg2gSNS21fdHlPQXZlTTg/view?usp=sharing
Great ! How can I export this audio to mix with a video ? For exemplo record with a camera and ableton next mix it.
Bro You're amazing :) GBU!
Been working soft for a few years now... using it on Mac now and it crashes a lot Nice tutorialndering my progress on the tracks im working on ... I'm
I've put my instruments rack in a MIDI track and my audio effects rack in a AUDIO track but that's the only way to get the signal coming in through the instrument rack its just not getting picked up from my looper audio effects rack. Anyone know why? Thanks!
Looks nice, only thing I didn't quite understood was why a put it all on the same track? What's the gain versus having the 4 instruments with their loopers on 4 different tracks?
the download file is disable! thanks for the video
This is nicely on point. So much better without the comedic condescending affect/persona.
Great quality video! Keep it up DJTT
hey really good! but the file is not available : /
Exactly what I was looking for ! Thanks for the video AND for the template.
Peace.
thanks for watching
wtf you didn't say anything rude to me :( how can I learn without the mild degradation?
Just stay in your comfort zone at first and focus on one tNice tutorialng at a ti. Just try to make a simple soft first. When you get used to the
Underbelly made Uncle Joe proud!
how do you plug a pedal? through usb?
its going into the footswitch input on my mpd32
Tremendous... Thx belly !
he calms his goofyness good in this video
Does anyone else feel like this guy was reincarnated from the 40s
Hey, we now don't suck at looping
very, very , very nice!!!!! tankssss you help me so much
This is so retro looking now! Love it! haha!
Is he pre "you suck at produsing" at thr time?
What is the the na,e of this pedal?
m-audio SP-2
@djtechtools.com download link is dead
drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pUfVEg2gSNS21fdHlPQXZlTTg/view?usp=sharing
Hi, do you know how FKJ loops? Midimaps?
Is there any way to do this in a way that allows to quantize the performances?
I know looper is just a straight audio recorder but hoping there's a way to modify this to record actual launch-able clips as you would with normal recording?
hey ! it's "you suck at producing"
on the keyboard, and rage quit the program.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE!
That download link doesn't work, it says it has been disabled for security reasons... I would really like to download and play with it... thank you.
drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pUfVEg2gSNS21fdHlPQXZlTTg/view?usp=sharing
Thanks again.
very nice , thank you .
this is really helpful I've done this but routing my looper controls using the IAC Driver
bro can you teach us how to do the fills and the end you did ?
I watch a lot of his videos and it is weird seeing him do one straight. I kept waiting for him to say, "Ya dingus."
Bro u just recorded all the lines on each other and we dont have each looped lines seperarely if u could just disscuss it or a trick that works to me ur e biggest helper tnx
is that an m-gear sustain pedal? it can be used for looping as well? where do you input it? into the audio interface?
you just plug it in to a footswitch plug on a controller or something. I plug mine in to the footswitch input on an mpd32. you can plug it into an interface (if it has a footswitch port) or a midi controller and just assign it like a regular knob or fader.
DJ Showbot How do. you have to assign it? I can only assign one action to my pedal
The link to the template dont work? Is there another one somewhere?
drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pUfVEg2gSNS21fdHlPQXZlTTg/view?usp=sharing
Holy Shit! I had no idea Underbelly worked with DJ Tech Tools!
Ahhhh this is so cool! great techniques!
thanks, glad you dig it
you're recording everything midi?
I let out a loud "Yaasssss" the moment Underbelly showed up on screen.
How is the piano hooked up? Through midi chord or USB?
awesome video !
Just what I was looking for, thanks for the video!
Dude's dope! :)
GREAT delivery!
Wow, now I want to learn to play piano
Wow you were on DJ techtool! Your awesome!
Man I suck at producing
nice brahh!
Definitely got me thinking, thanks.
glad I could help! Thoughts are pretty cool.
Very Dope thx📿🎼
How's uncle Joe?
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Nice video. Thanks a lot for sharing your techniques!
no problemo
que boy lindo
pretty legit man
nicely explained man gj
You’re a legend
You DEXTER!
really useful
I like this guy...
....thanks
Excellent!
Wowzers!
Bro can we talk about how you got that effect at the end when you turned the knobs and faders down? It sounded like the beat was about to slow down can get crazy!
i used a beat repeat on the master with the pitch decay knob around 15%. Then used a hipass filter and a simple delay to get that echo effect. Hope that helps
Genius!!!! I was wondering the same thing.. Thanks!
King!
love Underbelly :-D
Hey Underbelly, how does one acquire so much swag?
weed
and the creative know-how. and randomly mapping new gear to things like looper. its amazing the things you can do, when you are connected to your music through the things that you own. Love akai P. thx 4 the extension of yourself....weed good one
This is just lovely
Nice t-shirt! Brand name?
Петр Остапенко DJ Shadow. It's the cover of his Best Of Album
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Future Is Now Thank you!