at 39:14, the 4 red pylons locked 3 probes and made 3 right most mineral patches inaccessible. So red spent 400 minerals on pylons, resulting yellow only has 12 probes working on 6 mineral patches while he has 19 probes working on 9 patches. His economics are about 158% of the yellow player. I guess that's worth it to spend 400 minerals?
Campaign *does* punish you for moving out 'early' because the enemy typically is just a big pre-built base which occasionally makes sorties out against you if you sit too long growing.
I absolutely love cheese games. They are so interesting. Rushing and building a bunker in someone else's base is just so badass, and I would never think to do that but stuff like that is so genius Edit: nevermind. In the ZvZ when the one player rushed and put a sunken on the other players creep is the coolest thing I've ever seen done in SC. What a genius move
The probes on the ramp behind the zealots are to help defend by attacking the other zealots. Since the probes have a range attack they can be useful to add some DPS.
I’m late to these parties because I resisted the cheese. I’ve started realizing the beauty in it so am catching up. With that said you asked about games we would like to watch you play. Can you play Zelda breathe of the wild? One of my favorite games, after brood war of course. And also side note. YOU HAVE TO WATCH TERMINATOR 2. I’m your age but saw it at a young age and will say it was one of James Cameron’s true masterpieces. When it came out the effects blew ppls minds, along side the great action.....must see still to this day. Thanks for all you give us, Sir! Your the best. Stay well and keep kicking ass
Falcon Paladin boo about the switch( it’s perfect for kids and the first Nintendo system to actually have good rpgs and “cool” games) and good about seeing at least the first two T movies. In the video you said you hadn’t and we just had to fix that.
i have huge appetite for cheese. Before i learned about the cheese series i thought to myself - something must be missing since from my experience at least half of the games i played back in the day were decided by cheese. So i was wondering how come they don't end each other early on etc.
Though I still maintain that ZvZ is the most boring matchup, I loved game #2 (Seil vs Ret). I've seen plenty of bunker rushes, but never a sunken rush. It's like Florencio played BW zerg. But then again, maybe this is a thing, I don't watch much ZvZ. Come to think of it, what you said in one of your recent casts, how mutas were OP in pre-BW SC - first, it explains why some 2 months after the game's release (somehow I remember the stats), out of top 20 players, 17 were zerg, and second, it explains why ZvZ still devolves into muta vs muta. Zerg are the only race that didn't get a counter. (Terrans actually got three.)
@@maddocpax788 Fair enough, it just depends on what you come for. Its the hyper-desperate barbarism that appeals to the ancient Roman in me; like throwing two starving animals in the colosseum and watching them rip each other to shreds. I love it lol. (PS - Before you contact the FBI, its just an analogy, I love animals. Except for spiders and ferrets of course. Blech) (PPS: Also to be fair, TvZ and PvZ are close behind and I main Toss. ZvZs also don't seem to come by very often these days so I soak 'em up when I can. Its all subjective :D)
U asked for translation) My english not so well, but I will do my best) 1:07:46 Mamon (MamOn (Accent on O) is a joke word for big belly, like caused by much beer) - I think, pvt is easier where, dont it? WhiteRa - I wouldn't say, it is When where is some cyber sport term, or I dont know, but I dont quite understand, what he is saying, something like: WhiteRa - Limit comes out 3.3 And u fckd :) Mamon - could trick him WhiteRa - Where u go.. WhiteRa - That's not easy too Mamon - Well, yeah, probably, yes) WhiteRa - :) Mamon - Don't let toss to gather limit (army) Mamon - arbiter (obviously) Mamon - Carier Mamon - :D WhiteRa - :) No context, so, I dont know, what they was talking about exactly) Mamon - wait) Now we will play good games XD WhiteRa - ok :)
The sound on this vid was rather jarring, I had to turn it up quite a bit and then turn it down a TON for the next cheese vid... and I'm probably not one to talk with my own vids, but I'd still appreciate a little consistent sound control in the same video? That said, some of these games were amazing! (I'd still like to see some more SC2 vids from you though :P 3 days of broodwar in a row.)
@@FalconPaladin Okay, that's fair. I was only seeing 4 games of BW back to back in your uploads, but you did still post some of the SC2 games on the same day. Thanks for keeping things consistent buddy!
Not really sure most zvzs even count as cheese except maybe making sunkens on your opponents creep is not something i've ever seen at a pro level. Still I like these comps because they are short interesting games regardless and the video is so long.
33:10 - One player glitched lings through a worker-only gate. Opponent hadn't defended vs. it at all and insta-lost. Why didn't he defend against this? This game has been out ages; I'd expect players of this level to know about and prepare for this sort of thing 1:13:15 - Why didn't White-Ra wall off? Zerglings get through that hole at least three times. Maybe it's because Protoss is ok with zerglings needing to take the long way around.
17:10 He did not reposition his barracks He lifted it off So his scv can move out to scout If not it would be trapped in his base Sorry man but for a caster Your understanding of the game is abysmal to say the least
I haven't played in a while... When I did I would use double zealot rush or double/triple barracks rush... Cheese strategies Like these players. 💥🔥🐉🐲🐉🔥💥
You haven't watched Terminator 1- 2-? What kind of generation are you from? How does your generation live ??!? WTF!>?! ##?! ^ & ^ & Nothing strange that the world going down!! Damn, this guy haven't watch Terminator .... it is wonder how he know about Star Craft / Broodwar!! Because all of most new generation just play Star fuck Craft 2......
No Problem Falcon! I loved doing it!
thanks frosty!!! I love early action
Thanks Frosty
at 39:14, the 4 red pylons locked 3 probes and made 3 right most mineral patches inaccessible. So red spent 400 minerals on pylons, resulting yellow only has 12 probes working on 6 mineral patches while he has 19 probes working on 9 patches. His economics are about 158% of the yellow player. I guess that's worth it to spend 400 minerals?
Campaign *does* punish you for moving out 'early' because the enemy typically is just a big pre-built base which occasionally makes sorties out against you if you sit too long growing.
I absolutely love cheese games. They are so interesting. Rushing and building a bunker in someone else's base is just so badass, and I would never think to do that but stuff like that is so genius
Edit: nevermind. In the ZvZ when the one player rushed and put a sunken on the other players creep is the coolest thing I've ever seen done in SC. What a genius move
The probes on the ramp behind the zealots are to help defend by attacking the other zealots. Since the probes have a range attack they can be useful to add some DPS.
Ah okay. :) Thanks!
I like the final score. Just feels right
RE: That Flash/Free game: You got some macro-ni in my cheese!
The sound levels are a bit inconsistent between the games.
Also, did I just witness two games where Flash loses?
YES! Falcon now were talking! was waiting for this video for awhile :D
I love these short SC games! Please consider featuring them much more often on your channel.
The top right zerg does not have a place to put creep collonies behind the mineral line on Third World and the left down one have! :)
At 17:27 that's a full wall off bro lol. He can't get through
thanks for all your vids, buddy
Spire in the mineral line to allow drones to block a speedling drive-by easier, ironically
BW cheese is so freaking weird.
Thank you very much for the cast FP and also probs to your screener for those games.
i mean... technically we all love terran music
I’m late to these parties because I resisted the cheese. I’ve started realizing the beauty in it so am catching up. With that said you asked about games we would like to watch you play. Can you play Zelda breathe of the wild? One of my favorite games, after brood war of course. And also side note. YOU HAVE TO WATCH TERMINATOR 2. I’m your age but saw it at a young age and will say it was one of James Cameron’s true masterpieces. When it came out the effects blew ppls minds, along side the great action.....must see still to this day. Thanks for all you give us, Sir! Your the best. Stay well and keep kicking ass
Thanks for the BOTW suggestion, but I don't own a Switch. And I have definitely seen T1 and T2. :)
Falcon Paladin boo about the switch( it’s perfect for kids and the first Nintendo system to actually have good rpgs and “cool” games) and good about seeing at least the first two T movies. In the video you said you hadn’t and we just had to fix that.
These cheese vids are my fav to watch keep it up
Terminator was a movie where I learned about honor and courage as a kid =)
Great vid, love seeing some vicious ZvZ
I always provide the cheese, everyone else brings the whine
God this game is still looking beautiful.Even without the remaster.Everything about it is perfect.Well except ofc dragoon pathing :D
i have huge appetite for cheese. Before i learned about the cheese series i thought to myself - something must be missing since from my experience at least half of the games i played back in the day were decided by cheese. So i was wondering how come they don't end each other early on etc.
16:51 - who pulled their hairs out trying to reach past Flacon!!!
I love the brood war
Benny Hill speed love the reference !!
Kakaru steals the show at 46:15
Finaly some short unpredicted games 👍
1:05:18 Did you say kaydarin crystal "formulation" ? heheheh
min 17 zealot could not pass the wall thats why he didnt go in and destroy SCVs
1h20m20s The drone were trapped close to the sunken. Thats why you put pylons on the opponents mineral line.
Love those cheese games
Though I still maintain that ZvZ is the most boring matchup, I loved game #2 (Seil vs Ret). I've seen plenty of bunker rushes, but never a sunken rush. It's like Florencio played BW zerg. But then again, maybe this is a thing, I don't watch much ZvZ.
Come to think of it, what you said in one of your recent casts, how mutas were OP in pre-BW SC - first, it explains why some 2 months after the game's release (somehow I remember the stats), out of top 20 players, 17 were zerg, and second, it explains why ZvZ still devolves into muta vs muta. Zerg are the only race that didn't get a counter. (Terrans actually got three.)
People stare when i tell them ZvZ is my favorite matchup.
@@sams5658 Staaaare :) jk
IMO any mirror match is worse than any crossmatch and ZvZ is the worst, but to each his own.
@@maddocpax788 Fair enough, it just depends on what you come for. Its the hyper-desperate barbarism that appeals to the ancient Roman in me; like throwing two starving animals in the colosseum and watching them rip each other to shreds. I love it lol.
(PS - Before you contact the FBI, its just an analogy, I love animals. Except for spiders and ferrets of course. Blech)
(PPS: Also to be fair, TvZ and PvZ are close behind and I main Toss. ZvZs also don't seem to come by very often these days so I soak 'em up when I can. Its all subjective :D)
Lol, that face that LARVA probably made when he got a face of fromage
thank you falcon! pls keep it coming
Will do!
Let's go cheese ..miss a good cheese 🧀
z vs z was pretty good
U asked for translation)
My english not so well, but I will do my best)
1:07:46
Mamon (MamOn (Accent on O) is a joke word for big belly, like caused by much beer) - I think, pvt is easier where, dont it?
WhiteRa - I wouldn't say, it is
When where is some cyber sport term, or I dont know, but I dont quite understand, what he is saying, something like:
WhiteRa - Limit comes out
3.3
And u fckd :)
Mamon - could trick him
WhiteRa - Where u go..
WhiteRa - That's not easy too
Mamon - Well, yeah, probably, yes)
WhiteRa - :)
Mamon - Don't let toss to gather limit (army)
Mamon - arbiter (obviously)
Mamon - Carier
Mamon - :D
WhiteRa - :)
No context, so, I dont know, what they was talking about exactly)
Mamon - wait)
Now we will play good games
XD
WhiteRa - ok :)
Thank you for translating! That's very helpful. :) They're just discussing tactics when dealing with a maxed out composition.
@@FalconPaladin No problem)
@@FalconPaladin Can u tell me then, what does he is mean by 3.3?
Just wondering, didnt understand what its about.
The Glitch the Zerglings through the Gate Trick. Is that even legal?
lara has quickly become my favorite zerg.
I need moar cheese games!
the first game is how my best friend always plays and i still don't know how to counter it:/
you just cant,,let that zerg in,,lmao
I love cheese!
The sound on this vid was rather jarring, I had to turn it up quite a bit and then turn it down a TON for the next cheese vid... and I'm probably not one to talk with my own vids, but I'd still appreciate a little consistent sound control in the same video?
That said, some of these games were amazing! (I'd still like to see some more SC2 vids from you though :P 3 days of broodwar in a row.)
Hmm I don't know what happened to the sound levels. I certainly didn't change anything on my end.
Also I never post only BW three days in a row. I post SC2 content Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday and usually Sunday.
@@FalconPaladin Okay, that's fair. I was only seeing 4 games of BW back to back in your uploads, but you did still post some of the SC2 games on the same day. Thanks for keeping things consistent buddy!
More of theese
Falcon, a command center first, is a cheese. It's called an economic cheese.
everything is technically cheese
I dont care about merch but if you sell 3d printed carbot zergling, It would be so cool
mamon and whitera seem kinda drunk during that last game. so many weird micro mistakes
Why is the store in AUD lol?
Somicon set it up. He's an Aussie. :)
Lots of extremely aggressive players in these replays.
Hong Kong is resilient!!! #BoycottBlizzard
Those zealots were selling Auir Jordans!
HEY
If I didn’t say go owls then I know I didn’t watch it lol
So, what is your definition of Cheese?
Awwww yeaaaa!
I don't see that merch link
falconpaladin.store/ :)
If zergs can build on enemy creep, shouldn't protoss be able to build on enemy pylon?! I know blizzard nerfed the Zerg it's so obvious :(
Is using glitches in competition aloud? Or was it only a friendly game?
Definitely not allowed. At least not anymore. I don't know how old that game is.
Cheese is the best. Is the third serie coming soon?
Sure is! Next week!
@@FalconPaladin Awesome! Cant wait. Thx
1:08:01 Hold up...
kek
or out either hehe
Not really sure most zvzs even count as cheese except maybe making sunkens on your opponents creep is not something i've ever seen at a pro level. Still I like these comps because they are short interesting games regardless and the video is so long.
33:10 - One player glitched lings through a worker-only gate. Opponent hadn't defended vs. it at all and insta-lost. Why didn't he defend against this? This game has been out ages; I'd expect players of this level to know about and prepare for this sort of thing
1:13:15 - Why didn't White-Ra wall off? Zerglings get through that hole at least three times. Maybe it's because Protoss is ok with zerglings needing to take the long way around.
Maybe you should add "pro" to the title
Hmm ok.
whitera
White-Ra its Ukrainian player!
17:10
He did not reposition his barracks
He lifted it off
So his scv can move out to scout
If not it would be trapped in his base
Sorry man but for a caster
Your understanding of the game is abysmal to say the least
I don't think this guy has ever played StarCraft bw ...
Not even once!
Not that it matters now🔥🐲
I haven't played in a while... When I did I would use double zealot rush or double/triple barracks rush... Cheese strategies Like these players.
💥🔥🐉🐲🐉🔥💥
A very cheesy vid!!!
Russians or polska?))))
You haven't watched Terminator 1- 2-? What kind of generation are you from? How does your generation live ??!? WTF!>?! ##?! ^ & ^ & Nothing strange that the world going down!! Damn, this guy haven't watch Terminator .... it is wonder how he know about Star Craft / Broodwar!! Because all of most new generation just play Star fuck Craft 2......