GOSU - s2.pRo (Z) v Gambler (Z) on Python - StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED

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  • @csucskos
    @csucskos 4 роки тому +57

    Oh my god this was epic from start to finish!

    • @sfowler1100
      @sfowler1100 4 роки тому +1

      Yes and No... Although Strong Players, no where Pro, level APM is about 150 OFF. Once he had stole his hatch at the start, he should of simply gone Muta.. He's got 2 gas vs 1... Who goes Ultra Ling vs Lurker... They did some brilliant moves... and some moves were something I'd expect for a new player. Overall fun to watch. I'm glad they were good level, but not fantastic, because if they were. This game would of been done in under 10 minutes. Also, much more fun watching games where games can be won on mistakes. The Top Pros are so good that losing a drone early, can make the whole difference. One thing Yellow will look back the replay and notice he had to be a lot more aggressive when he was up. He can't let green get another base uncontested.

    • @csucskos
      @csucskos 4 роки тому +3

      What do you mean pro AMP? Have you seen the foreigners? They float just around the same amount! This match was obviously not a Jaedong vs Larva, but not everyone can be Korean pro gamer...
      I think it was fun to watch and were not many mistakes. And who doesn't do mistakes? Even Flash does!

    • @realsunjian
      @realsunjian 4 роки тому

      i best and craziest ZZ game i've ever seen so far. I want to double like this.

  • @jasonsoliva6678
    @jasonsoliva6678 4 роки тому +36

    Damn man, a rare late game zerg mirror, it's like a national geographic special.

  • @Slyzor1
    @Slyzor1 4 роки тому +13

    What a game! If ZvZ meta would become like this it would probably be one of the most interesting matchups. Only thing that was missing is queens killing ultras, lurkers and defilers with spawn broodlings.

  • @Teh_Hats
    @Teh_Hats 4 роки тому +6

    That was the most insane ZvZ I've ever seen. Gambler's use of Defiler-Queen was absolutely incredible.

  • @bub1425
    @bub1425 4 роки тому +20

    Falcon: "I think S2 got this. I don't see Gambler coming back from this."
    Gambler: Comes back.
    And what. a. comeback.
    Dang.

  • @destrik4115
    @destrik4115 4 роки тому +14

    I could be wrong nowadays, but the concept of fog of war originally is the concept of knowing the terrain but not knowing the area or how it may have changed due to the effects of war. Basically why you only have pictures of what your units saw after they leave and not current information.
    Im the blackout of the map is an active "mapping process" this concept was removed in sc2 because theirs no point in blacking out maps people have memorized especially when you still have fog of war

    • @Mustang_G
      @Mustang_G 4 роки тому

      Isn't that true in command and conquer? Not sure about other games like aoe. Used to play a game called dark reign, probably had that fog of war as well.

    • @destrik4115
      @destrik4115 4 роки тому

      @@Mustang_G aoe is one of the main ones that had three map types unexplored, fog of war, and clear.
      Warcraft and starcraft however made no such designation as commands to remove fog of war revealed the entire map as well.
      That being said games like aoe have randomized maps, and starcraft doesnt so blacking out the map in sc doesnt make as much sense, but fog of war is still used so perfect information isnt readily available.

  • @wilymcgee
    @wilymcgee 4 роки тому +58

    finally!!!
    zerg win, lol

    • @schwibz
      @schwibz 4 роки тому +2

      First thing I did was scroll down for this comment haha

  • @ethanlocke3604
    @ethanlocke3604 4 роки тому +3

    Dang I can't believe I didn't watch this game earlier. That was great. The queen defiler lurker play was fantastic

  • @floorshirts6402
    @floorshirts6402 4 роки тому +13

    So good! Queen + Defiler should be used more often.

  • @DensArrn
    @DensArrn 3 роки тому

    thanks guy in the chat for referring me. thanks falcon for casting it.

  • @crazykid1222
    @crazykid1222 4 роки тому

    What a great game! Despite some say not gosu, I think every bit of this game is gosu and perfectly display what SC is all about! Both Zerg are great players and demonstrated lots of great strategy.
    From range of the sunken placement, to try overload dropping early on, trading bases and final attempt to finish each other off, it was so awesome.
    It's so easy as spectators to know who's got the upper hand, and what's the next correct move. But while playing, the anxiety will make most players impossible to decide perfectly. Both players really wanted to win and was innovative at all times, as I can feel myself pulled into their mindset.
    Thank you for sharing!

  • @misterkefir
    @misterkefir 4 роки тому +4

    Amazing game. Hive tech ZvZ really rare and always great to watch ;) thanks man

  • @anarcho1983
    @anarcho1983 3 роки тому

    I've been watching brood war replays everyday for about a month now! Rediscovered my love for Starcraft (although i suck). Thank you so much Falcon Paladin for these casts!

  • @ivomagalhaes4129
    @ivomagalhaes4129 2 роки тому +2

    27:04 the lurkers killed the ultra

  • @maquabear5242
    @maquabear5242 Рік тому

    You just never heard the StarCraft, Terran Theme Song like this before! It's like Totally Gnarly Dude!

  • @mountainjew1474
    @mountainjew1474 3 роки тому +1

    Best part of this video was "otherwhere"🤣🤣🤣.

  • @michaelrowand898
    @michaelrowand898 3 роки тому +1

    This is amazing. Absolute classic.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  3 роки тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! Dang this is an old cast. :) Going through the archive?

    • @michaelrowand898
      @michaelrowand898 3 роки тому +1

      @@FalconPaladin Kind of! Not systematically or anything. But you’ve got a great, well-organized channel so I kind of explore and sample things kind of randomly. Gosu. Epic. The big 3. You really provide a wealth of high quality casts. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for it.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  3 роки тому +1

      @@michaelrowand898 No problem! :)

    • @michaelrowand898
      @michaelrowand898 3 роки тому

      @@FalconPaladin :)

  • @PhongAMV
    @PhongAMV 4 роки тому +2

    This has to be one of my favorite games I've ever seen :) - a ZvZ that goes into hive tech, never thought I'd ever see it

  • @AntithesisDCLXVI
    @AntithesisDCLXVI 4 роки тому +1

    Watching those +3 Lurkers absolutely shredding Ultras.. 🤤

  • @aleksanderrozbiewski3801
    @aleksanderrozbiewski3801 2 роки тому

    Me watching at the start: ZvZ with two bases very close to each other? Both players scout the other one? This is gonna end quickly.
    Me watching at the end: what the hell did I just watch

  • @soywhitelie2976
    @soywhitelie2976 4 роки тому +2

    I think some guardians could be a good option

  • @saedrix9807
    @saedrix9807 Рік тому

    Prob the best ZvZ I’ve ever seen. Really good casting 👌

  • @lassesipila6418
    @lassesipila6418 4 роки тому

    That was possibly the best match yet seen. Does S2's name mean he's an SC2 pro, but not BW? Because in many points it looked like he had the upper hand in economy and I thought for sure he's gonna win, but then he just didn't use that capital effectively. Would make sense if he knows how to handle effective economy in SC2, that it'd transfer over more easily than effective army composition and tactics.
    Did S2 ever scout the south-east base? This brings to mind a new concept for casting: POV. Disable shared vision with one of the players at the start, to get a very different experience in watching the match. Definitely don't do it too often, though, because this basic format is what everybody's here for.

  • @hasdetikufskens6191
    @hasdetikufskens6191 4 роки тому

    Amazing game. I actually love mirror matchups the most, for me it's extra exciting to watch players finding a key to victory for their own race. Hoping there will be more of those on the channel!

  • @DeadInfested
    @DeadInfested 4 роки тому +13

    37:05 spinny ultra :D

    • @adamlirov1360
      @adamlirov1360 4 роки тому

      You spin me round right round right round 😂

  • @maquabear5242
    @maquabear5242 Рік тому

    Fog of war is black. You know what the terrains are because you scouted it.
    Hold your applause, just throw money.

  • @Templarfreak
    @Templarfreak 3 роки тому

    15:17 I've always called the undiscovered area Black Mask and the unknown-but-explored area Fog of War. I don't remember exactly where I got the term Black Mask from, it might have been Populous 3.
    Sometimes it depends on the game, though. When you have a game like Brood War usually you call the darkened-but-explored area Fog of War, but in C&C games that doesn't exist so the blackened area is called Fog of War.
    27:02 Lurkers! :)

  • @WhispersOnLy
    @WhispersOnLy 4 роки тому

    Once again Falcon, the pinnacle of the epitome of brilliance displayed by your Brood War casting. StarCraft is Life and Death ❤💀

  • @mgtowstanleyzoltanov9808
    @mgtowstanleyzoltanov9808 4 роки тому +2

    That was mad game. S2 should have fought more. It was not finished for him at all it just the last attack of his mutalisks dishartened him and he was probably tired. :(

  • @alexmaragh7766
    @alexmaragh7766 4 роки тому +1

    me sees zvz expects some spicy 6 minute game, looks at thumbnail, mother of god, see's video length this is one for the ages

  • @ericjepson3765
    @ericjepson3765 Рік тому

    Fog of war covers the areas that have already been scouted but currently doesn't have vision.

  • @DeadInfested
    @DeadInfested 4 роки тому +3

    13:02 that one engagement with just hydras getting wrecked by ling & muta is why hydra doesn't work in ZvZ

    • @matthewcrockett604
      @matthewcrockett604 4 роки тому +1

      Dead Infested it does, but not without ling support. You have to mix some ling in or have a couple lurks

    • @DeadInfested
      @DeadInfested 4 роки тому

      @@matthewcrockett604 yes that is why I didnt say hydra with lurker so therefore like I said hydras (on their own aren't good)

    • @TheSuperColonel
      @TheSuperColonel 4 роки тому +1

      I think because hydras only deal 50% damage to lings and mutas which are very common in ZVZ.

    • @DeadInfested
      @DeadInfested 4 роки тому

      @@TheSuperColonel lings attack faster as well and muta splash hurts

    • @nyanSynxPHOENIX
      @nyanSynxPHOENIX 4 роки тому

      I think you probably shouldn't go just all in with one type of unit usually. That would be like saying defilers are bad because they aren't good by themselves

  • @adamg0d
    @adamg0d 4 роки тому +1

    that's an awesome rarity, to get such a long ZvZ. This was a real treat!

  • @Shadowfaxcs
    @Shadowfaxcs 4 роки тому +1

    Finally a good ZVZ. More please Falcon!!!!

  • @jesusislord461
    @jesusislord461 Рік тому

    12 pool opener would have had the upper hand this game, also it's best to rush straight for defilier and adrenal glands and melee upgrades while defending your superior economy with lots of spore colonies and plenty of sunkens at the natural

  • @mkchen1102
    @mkchen1102 4 роки тому

    good job, you really relate to your audience more than the game itself :) I wish despite technology we still remember that we are humans.

  • @josephorbino1766
    @josephorbino1766 3 роки тому

    Best ZvZ ever on the channel.

  • @johnquant9924
    @johnquant9924 4 роки тому

    Most satisfying ZvZ ever. I'm glad the proxy and strategic use of casters (other than FP) led to a win. Also... what is this "StarCraft ONE" that people keep talking about... I've heard of a StarCraft II... but that was the sequel to STARCRAFT. ;-)

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 роки тому

      StarCraft 1 was released on March 31, 1998. Brood War was released December 18, 1998. StarCraft 2 was released July 27, 2010. :D

    • @johnquant9924
      @johnquant9924 4 роки тому

      @@FalconPaladin Did you call it "StarCraft 1" back in 1998? We just called it "StarCraft."

  • @jakzine540
    @jakzine540 4 роки тому +1

    Zerg versus Zerg?! PHENOMENAL, and so rare!

  • @flibbernodgets7018
    @flibbernodgets7018 3 місяці тому

    ZvZ is the only thing preventing me from being a zerg main. If more of them played out like this I think the matchup would be a lot more fun.

  • @johngelderblom7107
    @johngelderblom7107 4 роки тому

    That was such an entertaining game. Back and forth throughout the match.

  • @jesusislord461
    @jesusislord461 Рік тому +1

    Huge mistake from the s2pr0 Zerg , he wasted all that time and money for ling drops when he could have won with guardian rush vs super late tech

  • @HysteriaDuzz
    @HysteriaDuzz 4 роки тому

    I've seen every single Falcon Paladin Brood War cast and this has got to be in my top 5 favorite games. I physically cringed at the murder at 40:35 oh my god.

  • @TomTomTom87
    @TomTomTom87 2 роки тому

    Hands down one of the best ZvZ I have ever seen! Not gunna lie I was rooting for Gambler the entire time, he lived up to his name lol

  • @OMGNINJAS-YO
    @OMGNINJAS-YO 4 роки тому +2

    Yeah, dark swarm + lurker is one of the most powerful combos in the game. The lurker spines excel under the swarm since they are not effected by it. Late game ZvZ is all about lurker + swarm + plague - ultras were a bad investment here.. I was shocked s2 didn't make a single lurker, it lost him the game.

  • @josephorbino1766
    @josephorbino1766 3 роки тому

    I am halfway thru the video. If green could squirt 3 or 4 acid spores on yellow's mutas, the green hydras would rape the yellow mutalisks out of the sky

  • @bigbadwolf3491
    @bigbadwolf3491 Рік тому

    Very good game. Was rooting for green cuz he had the balls to contain at start.

  • @InkySquid17
    @InkySquid17 4 роки тому +2

    Most interesting ZvZ I've seen in a long time.

  • @atrholiday2889
    @atrholiday2889 2 роки тому

    I like to think around the 10 min mark or so they both had no idea what strategy to do for the rest of the game since ZvZ never lasts that long XD

  • @mgtowstanleyzoltanov9808
    @mgtowstanleyzoltanov9808 4 роки тому

    S2 did not knew the plague did not affect burrowed units. He ran his melee army against the lurks but they all died because the lurks were full health.

  • @jackcozad6345
    @jackcozad6345 4 роки тому

    What a strange and awesome game! One of my favorites now for sure!

  • @badejushi
    @badejushi 4 роки тому

    OMG the ensnare and plague, what a game.

  • @ricksexton8888
    @ricksexton8888 4 роки тому

    love the back and forth great game

  • @JJtoutcourt
    @JJtoutcourt 4 роки тому

    daaaamn ! this guy does sends the best replays !

  • @uuuueber
    @uuuueber 3 роки тому +2

    Does Dark Swarm protect against Sunken Colonies?

    • @surgicalboxing1551
      @surgicalboxing1551 3 роки тому

      Yes, against all range that doesn’t have splash damage

  • @Specialistik
    @Specialistik 4 роки тому

    S2's mother probably refused from her son that day

  • @fyregus
    @fyregus 4 роки тому +1

    27:00 ultra was getting hurt by gamblers lurkers. You know.. Splash damage still works under dark swarm

  • @octav3k
    @octav3k 4 роки тому

    Master class in how to throw a game. So frustrating to and so boring to watch when s2 was just sitting there, letting his opponent rebuild his economy.
    You were hoping this wasn't a game where the clear winner just sat there for 40 minutes. Well, this one had a slight twist, s2 threw the game after having it in the bag for ~40 minutes.

  • @carlosvillalobos6477
    @carlosvillalobos6477 4 роки тому

    I wish I could like this video a million times over. Great game!

  • @arbootieoaks
    @arbootieoaks 3 роки тому

    Right after s2 took out gamblers pool and hydra den, he had to push the advantage immediately, he would've won easily

  • @olegwinner
    @olegwinner 4 роки тому

    Crazy critters game!

  • @rushrule1
    @rushrule1 4 роки тому

    Great game and cast as always!!

  • @narcirvalor2718
    @narcirvalor2718 3 роки тому

    Thank you fort this link FP!

  • @mykolalabach2141
    @mykolalabach2141 2 роки тому

    Spellcasters good bruh! :D

  • @Adam-go7cz
    @Adam-go7cz 4 роки тому

    Last time I built so many static defense, it was when I was 11 and played vs many cpu. Both players throws the game so many times. Most notable and high quality long ZvZ I remember was Jaedong vs Yellow in proleague, but I doubt somebody can dig a proleague replay like that :/

  • @joonjoon819
    @joonjoon819 3 роки тому

    Ling/Ultra against Hydra/Lurker. Lings are basically nonexistent in this scenario and it isn't much different for Ultras with Hydra focus fire. God it was painful to watch that throw. A full Muta transition would have crushed the green's army since Hydras only do half damage against Mutas.
    These old games are really something else... both in good and bad ways.

  • @BreakTheIce222
    @BreakTheIce222 4 роки тому

    this is the weirdest and best ZvZ ever because something other than Scourge/Muta/Ling/Overlord/Drones was made.

  • @olegwinner
    @olegwinner 4 роки тому

    Animal Planet: natural selection.
    Narrator: Falcon Paladin

  • @Lyricyst28
    @Lyricyst28 4 роки тому

    I am 38 seconds in and you said ZvZ then I realized its 48 minutes long! now im thinking sneaky twofurrrrr, but ZvZ is my all time fav match up and back in my time playing SC I think I could at least kill a couple jae dong buildings and some units HA!

  • @BreakTheIce222
    @BreakTheIce222 4 роки тому

    Sweet thing to notice: the moment he ggs, he has 2 scourge hatching from an egg. One turns blue (neutral) but the other retains its former affiliation color (yellow)

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 роки тому +1

      Nice spot! How weird. Wonder what the difference is.

    • @BreakTheIce222
      @BreakTheIce222 4 роки тому +1

      @@FalconPaladin once a player leaves, all his buildings & units turn blue on the minimap however they retain their original color in the actual game. Units in production that 'appear' after a player has left spawn as the neutral blue.
      This highlights a feature that SC, SC:BW and even WC3 have - the engine actually does 1 thing at a time no matter how many players or actions are in the game at any moment. In this case, 1 of the Scourge hatched before the other. In terms of gameplay you wouldn't notice this design feature except if you played a great deal with Valkyries. They derp out the most because of this.
      It's also in part why the popular MOBA Dota had to break free from WC3 engine. There were certain things that were just not possible because of how it operates.

  • @DeadInfested
    @DeadInfested 4 роки тому

    Now I kinda wanna try what gambler was doing

  • @lurkerphoenix
    @lurkerphoenix 4 роки тому

    Absolutely spectacular game!

  • @Raducu2oo5
    @Raducu2oo5 4 роки тому

    The revealed one is fog of war (as I learned from WC2 when you turn it off). The one thats unrevealed is just unrevealed terrain

  • @damian_madmansnest
    @damian_madmansnest 4 роки тому

    Amazing cast! And a great game too.

  • @fallingmasonry
    @fallingmasonry 4 роки тому

    I wish there were more ZvZ like this

  • @ryananderson6551
    @ryananderson6551 3 роки тому

    For once I agree with falcys calls GO ZERG!!!!

  • @Xsifilad
    @Xsifilad 4 роки тому

    Falconi you have to do more mirror matches!

  • @amrahmed615
    @amrahmed615 4 роки тому +1

    I think you should add another game to the channel like war craft 😀

  • @xTheUnderscorex
    @xTheUnderscorex 4 роки тому

    That one neutral scourge at the end cause he left tho

  • @leonardocruciani2149
    @leonardocruciani2149 3 роки тому

    best ZvZ I have ever seen

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it! I liked that match a lot.

  • @steveliu1983
    @steveliu1983 4 роки тому

    More gosu please! This has become my daily ritual

  • @SocietyOfTheLiftedLorax
    @SocietyOfTheLiftedLorax 4 роки тому

    I remember my first zvz match.

  • @DrZergling
    @DrZergling 4 роки тому

    It was Lurkers under the dark swarm that killed the Ultra..

  • @SinnohX
    @SinnohX 4 роки тому

    40:25 s2 really shouldn't have attacked into all those lurkers without plaguing them first, or perhaps using a surprise muta attack on one of Gambler's bases to drive some of the hydras back home to defend. Lurkers in those amounts are best treated like siege tanks...pain to see s2 throw the win away like that.

  • @skyvipers
    @skyvipers 4 роки тому

    When I first seen this in my recommended section as a 40+ minute ZvZ, I was like... "This must be the sneaky Three-For we've been waiting for!" lol. Also, I always thought that in the ZvZ late game when it got to that point, that drop-defilers would be the way to go. You could sneak one or two in your opponents base, plague all the structures, and they would never get an alert that "base is under attack". Plus a plague on Zerg structures is more devastating since Terran can repair and Protoss has the shields as a buffer. Let's make that strategy a thing in 2020 ZvZ lol.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 роки тому +1

      One day the threefer will come. One day.

    • @berest9154
      @berest9154 4 роки тому

      Hope to see Zerg use sacrificial defiler drop to toss base for further attack

  • @gressorialNanites
    @gressorialNanites 4 роки тому +1

    (This comment was made before watching the game)
    This is a ZvZ... and 48 minutes long?? What is this, a sneaky 12-fer?

    • @gressorialNanites
      @gressorialNanites 4 роки тому

      (After the game) Man, this was a game of long, long waits between too short bouts of action. I feel like an ass saying it,, because I was asking for ZvZ, but this wasn't what I expected. Still, a pretty unconventional game of the matchup, so that gets extra points from me.

  • @gustavosoares7397
    @gustavosoares7397 6 місяців тому

    Brazil themed ZvZ 🇧🇷

  • @MaxCadyS
    @MaxCadyS 4 роки тому

    Finally get to see a plague/ensnare combo!

  • @brettallen8502
    @brettallen8502 4 роки тому

    I see 48 minutes , I come runnin’ - ZergSMR

  • @byhOi-baTiA
    @byhOi-baTiA 4 роки тому +1

    Интересная игра.

  • @majermike
    @majermike 4 роки тому

    GOOOSSSUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @banjiu10
    @banjiu10 4 роки тому

    Lurkers slaughtered ultralisks.

  • @aldenhew6743
    @aldenhew6743 4 роки тому

    This deserve an epic tag!

  • @pennyfish89
    @pennyfish89 4 роки тому

    this is why, APM doesnt really matter much in pubs game

  • @ganqqwerty
    @ganqqwerty 4 роки тому +1

    best zvz in years!!!

  • @endtimeguitarist
    @endtimeguitarist 4 роки тому

    Who else is digging that green on those hydralisks?

  • @endlessedgar4576
    @endlessedgar4576 4 роки тому

    Ah, the ever elusive green Zerg, also is it just me or this is your only standalone ZvZ in your channel?

  • @jakelindquist
    @jakelindquist 4 роки тому

    been pumped for this since u teased it in ur stream on sunday haha u rock falcon!

  • @matthewcrockett604
    @matthewcrockett604 4 роки тому

    What a sick game. Loved it

  • @ianlarm1588
    @ianlarm1588 4 роки тому

    If you put gosu on a bw cast, you know imma watch it!