No One Asked For This, But I Made it Anyway | Radeon RX 7700XT VR Performance Review
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
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Yah, I know the 7700XT isn't the most popular GPU in the Radeon RX 7000 line up, but I was still curious to see how it performs in VR, so I bought one and tested it out. I also know this video will most likely never get the views it needs to recoop the time and money I've put in to it, but that's not why I make these videos. I make them to help those of you out there who want to know what kind of VR performance you can expect to get out of your current GPU or a GPU you may be looking to buy, as well as to satisfy my own curiosity. Since the Radeon RX 7000 series launched it's been plagued with driver and other issues that have hampered it's VR performance. Now that we're well over a year into the product life cycle though many of the early problems have been resolved and for the most part Radeon 7000 GPU's aren't the VR nightmare they once were. Sadly though my experience with the 7700XT in VR wasn't all smooth sailing. I did experience some hitching that persisted across many of the games I tested and at varying refresh rates and resolutions. This didn't stop me from testing the 7700XT however in 13 different PC VR titles. I hope you find my findings both intersting and informative. We'll see you on the other side. Enjoy.
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Chapters:
00:00 - It's taken me awhile to get around to this
00:39 - Half Life Alyx
00:59 - what's causing this hitching?
02:19 - trying both the Quest 2 & Quest 3
03:22 - The Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners
04:13 - no 120Hz PC VR with Quest 3. Yet.
04:49 - Radeon 7000 bugs
05:49 - test system specs
06:15 - Assetto Corsa Competizione
07:05 - Ghosts of Tabor
07:05 - Blade and Sorcery
08:39 - Lone Echo 2
09:14 - Into the Radius
09:47 - Microsoft Flight Simulator
11:29 - Contractors
12:58 - Red Matter 2
14:06 - Pavlov
14:58 - Beat Saber
15:56 - Breachers
16:24 - Final Thoughts
I Know No One is Going to Watch This, But I Made it Anyway | Radeon RX 7700XT VR Performance Review
#rx7700xt , #VR, #quest3, #quest2, #radeon , #7800xt, #amd , #virtualreality, #gpu, #graphicscard, #oculus, #meta - Ігри
The only VR good VR benchmark UA-camr, you're the best as always!
Thank you. That's very kind of you to say.
Im watching it, not planning on getting the GPU since I got a 4070 Ti but you're the only one doing anything like this and your quality is amazing !
I thank you for the compliment and for checking out the video. The 4070ti is a good GPU, enjoy!
@@Maraksot78 Your video on the 4070 Ti was actually a reason I got it. I needed an upgrade and VR is very important to me :D
I wanted to say thanks for what you do for the VR community. Life as a VR content creator that gives in depth benchmarks, and actual helpful information is rough. Most videos lack substance or are repetitive from one creator to the next.
It’s always refreshing stopping by your channel, even when it relates to hardware that may not be in high demand. Nobody else out there is giving recent AMD VR benchmarks on mid tier GPUs, and this video alone will be much more helpful to people than another mindless entertainment video from one of the bigger VR names.
I really appreciate your videos, and understand the time, money and effort you put into them are much more than what you will ever get in return. So thank you. Thank you for being passionate and giving folks helpful and entertaining VR content. It’s a rare breed that doesn’t get enough praise. Cheers!
man you maybe don't get lots of views on this concept but you helped me SO MUCH chosing my gpu considering i RLY wanted to go into vr and I know you help a lot more ! Thank you for that man
I watched and appreciated your review very much. My nephews will eventually upgrade their PC's and they both want to get a VR headset so it's good to know how all of the current GPU's do in VR so I can give them good advice when the time comes.
Glad you're back posting GPU tests for VR you're the best source of information i've found! I made the decision to buy the 7800xt based on your videos and it plays all my VR games pretty well apart from the odd stuttering from time to time. I'm not sure when you made this video but recently Meta have updated their oculus application and now it supports 120hz on Quest 3! If you haven't got the update you might need to do a full reinstall of the software, I personally have had the 120hz update for a week.
Great video, thank you for posting!!
I just watched it. Thank you again for doing these.
Yeah, you are the only one doing this so the content is much appreciated.
Love your energy
Thanks for your test video. I've been waiting for this for a long time.
7700XT was originally the level of graphics card I wanted to buy.
But after the launch of the RTX 4000 super graphics card
I bought the RTX 4070TI directly after the discount.
But I will still recommend your video to friends who don’t have enough budget.
Let them refer to and compare
Always the best brother! No one does anything close to what you do. So appreciate it
Thanks so much for the comment. I hope the title and thumbnail didn't come off as me asking if people care about my videos? I meant does anyone care about the VR Performance of the 7700XT? I do see how it could be misinterpreted though. The point of titles and thumbnails is of course to draw in people who may be interested in the information in the video and I just know the 7700XT isn't at the top of the heap when it comes to GPU's people are buying or own, so those looking at it for VR is even more of a niche group, so that's all I mean by it. 😅
@@Maraksot78 nah that's the message I got from the thumbnail. See if anybody is interested in the 7700xt. Actually it's exactly what I need. My 3060ti is on its last legs so I'm looking to upgrade slightly soon I just want a better experience and I trust your reviews completely.
Great review!
Your vids Help me so mutch
Thanks for uploading this video. This GPU was one I was considering but after seeing the performance in ACC, I think I need to spend extra on something better. Also, please don't stop reviewing games using your Quest 2 just yet. Like you say, it's what the vast majority of us are still using. All the very best 🙂
i would love to see you benchmark the 7600xt!
I always appreciate you making these videos! You expose AMD's lackluster drivers for VR and their problems, which consequently brings attention to them and that ultimately benefits us all. AMD has improved their drivers for VR quite a lot since the release of the 7000 series, and I really believe you had a hand in that with your reviews, at least you're putting pressure on 'em 🔥🔥 to fix their stuff. You might not get hundreds of thousands of views with these videos as AMD for VR is a niche within a niche, but within this niche your videos are number #1. And I know someone at AMD has to be watching 👀 if not I will kindly forward the video to their PR department at Radeon Group.
A VR review of the 7600xt should get alot of views
Not planning to buy this, but more videos of hardware like this' always useful when it comes to getting an idea of how these fare in VR. Last week these dropped to as low as 350$.
Greetings from the Czech Republic (central Europe). Thank you for your great work. I have a first generation Oculus Quest, a Ryzen 5 5600 and a GeForce 1070Ti. I only fly FS2020. Guess I'll have to buy a GeForce RTX 4070, the Radeon graphics drivers don't look good. Thanks again for your great work.
I upgraded to a 4070 Super from 4060 ti 16gb. Even though on paper it may not see like a massive upgrade, when playing it, I see a massive difference! I still like to keep an eye on Radeon though so thanks for the videos!
Great video!
Thanks for checking the video out man. 😎👍🏼
You deserve sponsorship from AMD for this amazing review. Kudos!
Thanks!
Thank you very much for the Super Thanks, it is greatly appreciated. This'll go toward some other GPU for yet another video like this one. Cheers!
Nice video as always. Great to see stuff covered other channels don't touch upon. Question: @Maraksot78 what card would you prefer for the Quest 3 for running PC games, not too fast ones, but modded, like Skyrim VR with heavy visual enhancements? Is AMD still getting better drivers or would you rather go for nvidia? Any card suggestion except the 4090 would be interesting.
I'm watching it and I appreciate it.
Yah, the title is a little click baity. 😅 I just know the 7700XT isn't at the top of most peoples lists of GPU's for VR, so I'm expecting this video to be pretty niche. It's all good though, as long as it helps some people, or it satisfies people curiosity then I'm happy. Cheers and thanks for checking out the video. 😎👍
hi have you tried any graphic cards with No mans sky as i have major problems with it and was looking to update my G card PS running a rx6900xt at the moment
I care bro, thanks for posting again, need a valid VR reviewer for AMD so keep up the good work
The title and thumbnail are a bit dramatic for sure, and I know there are people who care, I just know the 7700XT isn't the most popular GPU out there and those that may be considering it for VR are going to be a pretty niche group. I appreciate you checking the video out though and leaving a comment. Cheers. 😎👍
Good job on the video. Only prob is it makes me want to buy graphics cards lol
Ha ha ha! I love buying graphics cards. They're the funnest part of a PC no question. 😂
Nice Testing! Can you retest with the 24.2.1 drivers? AMD had some issues with the shader cache with causes stuttering in several games.
im planning to get amd 7900 xt instead of a 4070 ti super exclusively for gaming and pcvr your videos always help hopefully i dont get to many issues XD
I have the 7900xt and I regret buying it, I can't even LAUNCH a vr game in it without crashing my whole system, let alone play one, I can't wait to get rid of it and get an nvidia card.
@@renanmarcondess strange i ended up getting this video card and pcvr games work perfectly fine, ive played resident evil 7 , subnautica sub zero, contractors pc, remnant 2 uevr mod, crossfire sierra, etc... amazing card no regrets here
@@nor2003 been trying to figure out my issue, I used the same card on 2 different systems and they both ran fine, returned to my main rig and deactivated both pbo and 4g decoding and it seems to be running fine now. What pointed to the gpu was the event viewer always saying that the gpu stopped responding. Hopefully it's fine now, been having this issue for months now.
New to your channel, and appreciate all the AMD related content!!
Hoping to get a sanity check, I recently upgraded to a 7600XT from a RTX 2060 (going back to team red after being team green for a while) and I got the XT variant for the additional RAM headroom for modern games and VR. That said, running Half life: Alyx, I get the low gpu RAM warning on start up, at about 6/16 gb used, and at portions of my gameplay I am maxxing out 16GB on my Vram. This just doesnt make sense to me. System specs:
Ryzen 7 3700 PRO (same as a 3700x)
16GB DDR4 3200mhz RAM
M.2 NVME
RX 7600XT
Oculus quest 1 (the original black one)
Oculus link smart cable (tests from 1.4-1.7, sometimes up to 2.1...)
Launching Quest link, then Steam VR in order to play Alyx (only way it seems to work with quest 1...)
The game seems to run fine, high fidelity, with 1x resolution settings. Things look great, with occassional stutters, "hitching" Also on the latest Radeon drivers and reinstalled oculus app and steam VR to ensure latest versions. Oculus app states system does not meet minimum requirements (???)... Any thoughts as to why all the oddities, am I doing anything terrible wrong?
Signed
-broke dad just trying to get off my butt and VR
That all sounds completely normal. The "your system doesn't meet the minimum requirements" banner in the Oculus PC app is totally normal. It seems Meta hasn't updated their software to recognize many newer GPU's for quite some time. I've been seeing that with new high-end hardware for at least the last year. That message is shown even when your system far surpasses the minimum requirements. Maybe someday Meta will update whatever hardware library the app is referencing to include all the new hardware that's come out over the past 2 years.
Also, Half Life Alyx maxing out VRAM is also totally normal. That's how Valve programmed the game. It'll use however much VRAM you have. I've played it on 8GB cards, it utilizes all 8GB and the game looks and runs great. I've played it on 24GB cards, it utilizes all 24GB and the game looks and runs great. I think it's just caching as much data to the VRAM as it has VRAM available to it so it can quickly retrieve that data as it's needed rather than having to go back to the storage and load it in to the VRAM again.
And that low VRAM warning in Alyx, I'm not sure what that's all about. I get that same warning with cards like the 7900XTX that has 24GB of VRAM, so like Meta's app saying your hardware doesn't meet the minimum specifications I think it's just a bug in the game, but nothing to be concerned with.
Didn't expect a reply, and certainly not at almost 1am EST on a tuesday morning! Thanks a TON! Talk about audience engagement. *Salute*
You're welcome. I'm not able to reply to all comments, but when I see ones I'm able to respond to and offer some help I like to do so. I'm on the west coast so it was only 10pm for me. XD
I need to buy it
I also experience this hitching in some games with my 7900XTX, the February drivers should be coming soon so let's hope they fix it, as this problem is happening even in flat games, (maybe problems with the shader cache?) sadly AMD treats VR as a low priority so it might get fixed for flat but not VR, hopefully they prove me wrong this time lol. The January drivers are not amazing, they were definitely rushed to finally get FS3/AFMF officially out.
Also if possible could you add asgard's wrath 1 to your future tests? I assume you must have gotten it for free as well with your purchase of the quest 3, if not no worries.
Can you please do another video on the 6700xt? Please show us some more games at higher settings ❤
I just subscribe you.. your VR benchmark with Beat saber is golden to me, which I care the most. so... I was about to buy 7800xt or 7900 GRE but... you said 'hitching' may be caused by AMD driver.. which I agree if you consider their driver history.
so.. I am considering paying more $$ to buy 4070 super or whatever 4070 + 16GB VRAM. what do you think ? My main goal is quest 3 for Alyx and beat sabre. I don't care about anything else..
Hey, I'm just curious. Would you ever test the rx 7900 GRE? which the performance is in between the 7800 XT and the 7900 XT(on flatscreen). I'm curious how well it performs at VR for being a really good all round budget price to perform its card.
These reviews are genuinely invaluable to me. VR is my most important use case scenario for my GPU. This allows me to make the right decisions. What do you do with the GPU afterwards? You keep them? Or sell them off?
I'm happy to hear you find my GPU VR performance videos helpful. It's always good to know people find the information useful. As for your question about what I do with the GPU's after making videos like this, I keep most of them, so I have them on hand to be able to do potential comparisons in the future, but I did give one away to a friend for his kids PC, and I sold one to my brother in law, but other than that I keep them just in case I need them for future content.
I have to ask, have you tried the 7900GRE for VR yet?
Nvidia prices being so high this generation, i'm thinking of upgrading my GTX 680 to a 7900GRE.
And since sometimes i'll play games in VR, i want to be sure that i'm getting a really good upgrade when it comes to VR gaming.
So is the rx 7900 xtx good for vr now or should I get a rx7800 xt or a 4080 super?
about that hitching i think its cause of 12gb of vram. cause i have a 1070 ti and i had the some problem untill i turned msaa x 2 off, after that like 50% of the hitching was gone. this was tested in beat saber.
It would be nice to see intel arc A750 vr performance test again now that it’s been a year since arc has came out
Maybe drivers and games got better with it?
is there any way you can test the rtx 4060?
I care because you're the only guy who does updates on RDNA3 VR performance, everyone else just did it for the clicks when 7900 XTX had issues a year ago.
Do you think you’ll ever do some amd vr reviews with quest 3 and the 7900 xtx…..since the last few driver updates since their vr fix 23.7.1. I have noticed double image or ghost images offset on all ground scenery….if you upgrade drivers to 24.1.1. And 24.2.1 I see ghosting and or double imaging on all objects and jets etc…..can’t figure it out…..also using open xr….turbo mode…gives a major boost to performance…..I have tried all setting and turning of asw etc….to know avail…..I ended up downgrading to driver 23.7.1 to get rid of the double imaging ghosting in digital combat simulator in vr with meta quest 3…..check it out and let me know….it must be a driver issue with amd?
I’m talking about vr reviews in digital combat simulator with 7900xtx and quest 3
Will you be doing intel battlemage when it comes out
Thanks
Thank you for checking out the video and for the very kind support of the channel. Cheers mate!
Not related to the video, but have you seen the news about the PSVR2 finally getting support on PC?
PS5 runs on AMD and has VR. It's strange that they don't optimise AMD GPUs for VR. I'm curious if it would work more stable on Linux like Holoiso, ChimeraOS or other distributives. Linux gaming looks interesting after the launch of steam deck, but VR gaming on Linux is even more exciting. Anyway thanks for your work, your channel is really unique.
Your reviews are some of the only ones that look at hardware performance in VR and have any depth. Much appreciated. VR is the most demanding use I have for my video card (despite also getting a 4K monitor recently), and the majority of gaming I do.
I switched back to Nvidia a couple of weeks ago, due to my experience with Quest 2, Quest 3 and an RX 6600 XT (in comparison to having a GTX 1660 Ti before that). Very happy with the upgrade to a 4070 Ti Super (aside from the price). Performance and compatibility are excellent.
It's a shame that AMD doesn't prioritise VR, and that VR game developers and headset manufacturers don't prioritise AMD. I guess that's just the economics of VR being a minority market in gaming and AMD being a minority of the video card install base.
Nvidia's RTX and DLSS features aren't yet seeing much support in VR titles (although there's a few excellent exceptions, like No Man's Sky and of course using the UEVR mod), and locally the 7900 XT was about 13% cheaper than my 4070 Ti Super, despite offering about 3-4% better rasterisation performance, so if not for AMD's questionable compatibility and support, the value would be there. I also prefer AMD's driver software in terms of UI/UX, although Nvidia's finally decided to pull their socks up in this regards a couple of days ago.
Fact is that my experience with the RX 6600 XT and VR means that to get me to try another AMD card they would need a lot better than a 13% price reduction and 4% improved rasterisation performance. Nor is it any better stepping down to the RX 7800 XT and 4070 Super, where the 4070 Super had about a 7-8% performance advantage and commanded a 21% higher price (although the potential VRAM advantage of 16 vs 12 is more relevant than 20 vs 16).
Hard to see this changing unless Nvidia completely drops their bundle.
Possible to add VRchat to your benchmarks?
can you please benchmark the rx 7900 xt it would mean a lot if you did as I'm looking to buy one and want an idea of the performance i will be getting
so n vidia is much better for pc vr right ?
I want this card but hope they will update the driver issues
Hey can you test the 7600 xt I’m looking to get one for an upgrade for an old workstation pc (i know there’s probably gonna be a bottleneck)
Get a 16GB if you get one. Also does the old workstation support Resizable BAR? I'd also recommend using VirtualDesktop over Quest Link.
Quest 3 has 120hz on Oculus. Came out few days ago. I think most people would prefer testing on Quest 3.
Also, did you have any driver related settings enabled that could cause the hitching, Anti-Lag perhaps? I know recordings can also cause hitching, I imagine you did testing without recordings enabled?
I haven't used my Quest 3 for PC VR in a couple days I'll have to check that. It's just my luck though that as I'm making a video 120Hz isn't an option but as soon as I'm done doing all the testing and start editing then it come available. 😂
Pretty sure I didn't have any settings like that enabled. I would feel pretty dumb if it was something like that. It's not out of the question though as I've done dumb little things like that before. 😅 I sure hope I didn't do anything like that this time though. I try to be as thorough as I know how.
@@Maraksot78 With 24.1.1 AMD's HYPR-RX feature turns on some driver features for specific games, sometimes anti-lag or AFMF will be enabled automatically unless the HYPR-RX profile is changed/disabled (At least that's how I think it works still).
I've also seen the same hitching while trying to record my VR gameplay, you could be experiencing the same thing. I had it quite a bit on OBS.
Just double checked the settings in the Radeon control center or whatever it's called... (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition) and Hyper-RX, Super Resolution, Fluid Motion Frames, Anti-Lag and all those other settings are disabled like I thought they were, so it doesn't look like any of that is the cause of the hitching.
I recorded everything directly to the Quest 2 and didn't use OBS or other screen recording software. I record that way so I can capture the ODT performance overlay. You can record it using Oculus Mirror too, but I've found Oculus Mirror uses enough system resources that it effects GPU performance giving me worse results than a GPU is capable of when Oculus Mirror isn't running. Recording directly to the headset gives me the same performance as when I'm playing without recording which is why I do it that way, and usually everything runs fine.
I appreciate you reaching out and helping me troubleshoot this though. VR performance has come a long way on Radeon 7000 GPU's since they first launched and they're performing really good now overall. If that hitching problem wasn't there, then I wouldn't have any complaints for sure.
I have no interest in this card but I watched to support future content. Would love to see modded SkyrimVR added as a test for higher end cards.
Ha! Joke's on you 😛 I watched this video 7700 times
Whoa! 7700 times? That was quick! 😂
I haven't played PCVR in a while since whenever i load the quest link the frame rate is so bad it takes me a while to load a single game, and the game stays at an unplayable frame rate.
I hope someone else noticed the headshots in a row with the bow on saints and sinners
That game is just too much fun! 😄
I’d say Virtual Desktop might of fixed some of this!!
Airlink freezes for me all the time. It gets worse after time. After 5 minutes it freezes at 5 minutes at a time
I have had a good vr experience on anything rdna2. I couldn't enjoy it on a 7900 xt though.
Same here, I am on a 7900xt and pretty frustrated that I can't even LAUNCH a game, it's an instant crash, for either VR AND for game streaming with moonlight, I think it's an issue with streaming wirelessly, either vr or any other kind of game streaming. I am considering going back to a 6800xt or get a 4070s.
Same hitching problem here. I bought 7900XT for 750€ because 4080 pricing was way too high then (1300€) and ended up with these hitches on Reverb G2 and Q3. Using older radeon drivers odly solved the problem in some games, but introduced bad stutters and some broken geometry anomalies in other titles I like to play (SpaceEngine, Elite dangerous, MSFS 2020). I don't wanna wait for radeon devs to fix these problems as RDNA 3 should be matured arch by now. Hell we're getting RDNA4 next year. So I sold 7900XT at a 150€ loss and got 4070S for the remaining money. I hate ngreedia's market practices, but in the end there is nothing we can do as a consumers when AMD is not good enough or just doesn't care about VR users.
I have a 4090 and 7800X3D and prefer VirtualDesktop over Quest Link and Steam Link. Meta's software is lacking. Try Virtual Desktop with AMD GPUs and I believe you'll have a better experience.
For Half Life Alex even the 24gb of the 4090 will fill if your running high resolution/high textures. Really gotta run it medium textures if your going for the high resolution on most games.
I bought a 6750xt, it was awesome for flat gaming, but complete stuttering mess with vr, I had to use my backup gtx 1080 when playing vr, I ending up selling the 6750xt and buying a rtx 3060ti, the 3060ti works as it should, and actually destroyed the 6750xt in VR benchmarks...conclusion it must be AMD crappy VR drivers. smh @ AMD.
I'm skipping this gen. Perhaps the next generation will tempt me.
Thanks for spending money on cards just to let us know how they perform on this niche market haha
Nvidia is overpriced with its low performance and ram
AMD just sucks with drivers.
with this GPU policies PCVR will never becomes popular
i had a 7900xtx but with the latest driver, steamvr wouldnt even work at all, i had to stay on driver 23.7.2. so i just recently got a 4090, no regrets, so done with radeon
AMD's drivers causing problems? OH NO WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED!? reason #1 why I swapped my AMD 6900xt for a 4090 in my main rig... VR is just better with Nvidia, SOOOOOOOO many less issues. For 2d? yea, AMD wins in the budget arena. I still run my 6900xt in my backup desktop (basically my sons desktop now)
If you want 120hz on the Q3, there are options.
You want a game that will challenge VR? DCS will eat that shit *alive*
As for the hitching/frame drops, Can you test something? VSYNC and FRAME LOCKs, set vsync ON in both game and in control panel, not vsync fast or enhanced, no ultra low latency, none of that nonsense just basic bitch vsync -- just straight good ole vsync, and *if* the game has a frame limiter, try turning that on and setting it to match your set refresh rate. I'd be curious what you results would be.
I got a 7900xtx and with the drivers after 23.7.1 I get weird double image ghosting on all ground objects and air objects….i believe amd did something and messed up the drivers
@@Horner219 Pretty standard for AMD tbh. I say it again, AMD for 2d is fine. They just fucking suck balls at VR, and their encoder is trash compared to NVENC. I moved away from my 6900xt to a 4090. I just couldn't be bothered with all the driver and gaslighting nonsense from "drivers are fine dude" or "FSR is just as guud"
Thanks for the information and your honest opinion…..I will buy nvidia for vr from now on
Well, I figured out what the ghosting graphics on dcs was all about….my resolution on quest 3 at 90 htz at 1.3 scaling was too much for 7900xtx to handle….switched to 1.0x at 90htz on oculus app…..now runs fine…..driver 2.7.1 still works better than 24.2.1 …I find the fps drops below 90 fps native on driver 24.2.1….it switches to 45 fps…and then crap ghosting happens….but switching to 23.7.1 driver….it never drops below 90fps native…..and I don’t use any fsr or reprojection ever….just thought you may want to know
@@Horner219 1.0x is pretty shit res though. You should drop to 72hz and go higher res. Also consider fixed foveated rendering.