Rolling with the Opposite Sex (Featuring Rener and Eve Gracie)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Rener and Eve made a promise to refrain from working while on their honeymoon. Not surprisingly, they broke that promise. In this important video, they discuss how even though more women are training jiu-jitsu than ever before, the training culture at most academies is preventing women from getting the maximum benefit that jiu-jitsu has to offer. They give their thoughts on the least desirable training partners - Smashers, Stenchers, Senseis, and Snipers - and explain what it will take to bridge the gap. Bottom line: If women are not provided an optimal way to learn the art, then jiu-jitsu has not yet served it's most important purpose. Watch it, share it, live it!
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Rener has won at life.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Literally
@Christian lol
@Christian he's a lucky sob... RENER.. YOU'RE A LUCKY S.O.B AND U KNO IT
Truly. Even if he was a bum with only a girl who made him look so happy.
I can vouch 100% that my hesitation in asking a man to be my training partner comes from the fear that they will feel like I'm bringing their training session down by not being good enough or being too new. I'm afraid they will be disappointed about getting stuck with the (sometimes only) girl. Eve is so spot on about that.
No problem. Make him tap a few times and he will get past it. :)
Ah, how I love the ad hominin attacks of the ignorant. So predictable. For the record, I am not femnemist and believe in meritocracy. My point was to show she can hold her own and if she cannot she does not deserve to be there and needs to seek a group she can perform well in. Some women can roll with the men and some cannot. Neither you nor I know her level. :)
@Chris Benoit And if we had been talking about you that would actually be worth mentioning. :D :D :D
i dont ask any women in my academy to roll because i know their skill level and i do feel like i am wasting my time….that being said if there was a woman in my academy that was a higher belt or had more knowledge then me i would certainly ask her to roll. I am also a bigger guy too weighing around 230 lbs and i also sense the women in my academy are naturally intimidated by my size.
Question for you girls, I just started jiu jitsu, and there's a girl I've been rolling quite often (she's a bit more experienced but also a white belt), so far I have 100% treated her like a man as I know she can handle (we're also same size) it but now I want to learn the scissor sweep and when I look at the movement I'm just afraid of hurting her by hitting a knee in the boob, I don't have much sense of what hurts or not nor I have much control yet, would you have any tips on keeping the roll safe and effective? Do you think I should avoid some moves or am I just overthinking?
One time i kept getting tap from this girl who had an incredible guard. She kept tapping me from her back so after we were done i told her, " Youre really good on your back" without thinking. I swear to god i didnt mean anything more by it i just was saying she was good at jiu-jitsu on her back, and it made for a very uncomfortable situation.Here are a couple reasons why Men dont ask women to train or atleast its how it is for me.
1.) Men dont want to seem like a pervert for asking a girl to roll.
2.) Men dont want to go full force against a girl.
3.) Men dont want to be percieved as being mean to the girl.
Right after you saw her awkwardness, you should just said "no pun intended" and laughed it off, as that was the case and she would have laughed too.
Also not wanting the possibility of being beaten by a girl also.
saying you're good on your back to a girl shouldn't have evoked an awkward situation at all. Sounds like you were being immature?
1. men should roll with everyone, even if kids are in the class
2. men should hardly ever go "full force" against each other - injured much?
3. men shouldn't be mean to anyone in class.
That was only awkward because you let it become awkward. If you focus on being composed and smooth in social situations, and practice/improve that, you won't come across as creepy. You will just seem observant for noticing that someone doesn't have a partner for rolling yet. (Hopefully the instructor is also paying attention, they usually are when someone is new or kind of the odd one out.) I have no idea why you said it that way, I would have said, "You have a really good guard," but after you already said it, don't get all embarassed, just act normal and it will be perceived the way you intended it to be. Reacting as though you just misspoke will lead people to question something they may have barely given a thought had you just kept your cool.
What I like about my bjj gym is that our professor takes couple seconds to pair us all up rather than us picking the same individuals at times. He knows his students well and knows who to pair with who to avoid any akwardness between the opposite sex for any new students. Even though we all know each other at the end of class and we're all cool with each other its nice to see.
How can anyone not feel anything but happy for Rener Gracie. A guy who is doing EXACTLY what he was born to do, and it shows.
Some people go their whole lives and never get that part right.
Keep up the stellar work!
A one hour class on how to have a one hour jiu-jitsu class with a woman.
Lmfao
This dude is so amped all the time I just love it.
Renergy
This needs to be address in every academy. I've been training for over a year and I know how she feels when everyone pairs up and you're left alone. Equality on the mats is all I want. Thank you for this video.
Slightly different but I'm an amputee who rolls sometimes you do get picked last in the class. I have rolled with women I have also been tapped by them. People need to check there differences and ego at the door. Women tend to have much better guards then men. There is no half guard when I pass to one side. The only time I hurt a lass rolling was when I put to much weight down through my elbow to her leg I apologised
Don't ever talk dirty about another man's wife.
Jim Bob That's an impossible standart. Do you know how many wives are out there? C'mon, don't tell me you've never talked dirty about beyonce or whoever you're into. Just don't do it in front of him, then you should be fine.
Knowing him or not, it’s respecting her as much as it is respecting him. That simple. Saying someone is very pretty, beautiful, handsome (for the ladies) and calling the spouse lucky is about as far as you’d ever want to take that. Being a decent human being doesn’t have lines you can redraw for yourself where not having respect is playing with lines others will draw for you.
I love to roll with the ladies, they do rely more on techniques and that forces me to become more technical myself.
This film is totally spot on.
Oh and an important other thing is, they smell way better than most of the dudes.
I simply love people with this mentality. I'm at like 143 pounds and usually when I roll with most guys at my gym (yes I'm male too, but I think it's still similar case) most of them could easily win most situations and positions because they have 40 to 65 pounds on me but they tend not to for the same reasons.
+Josh Moody yes both by more experienced (and really careless) people and lesser experienced. I tend to stay away as much from the careless people, they aren't good for the sport at all.
+Josh Moody that being said though, I do still like rolling with bigger opponents for the most part. Just being able to pass a given position, get a takedown or make a sweet sweep feels almost as rewarding as a submission when it's against a larger person.
Josh Moody closing in on 150 and somewhere about 6ft now, been gaining a lot weight this past year since I really picked up exercising and wanting to gain more mass. No belt yet, I used to train at a MMA gym and we don't have a legit BJJ trainer so we don't have any ranks either. But since I moved city and closer to my university this December I will start training at a BJJ gym nearby in January once I settle down at my new place.
How about you?
Josh Moody about a year now, did it pretty intensively for half a year since I had a lot of time on my hand and didn't run into any kind of injury, it's been a lot less this fall since I started university and had a jaw surgery in the end of the summer.
Have you done any competing yet?
I welcome the opportunity to train with women for many reasons:
- Less injuries. In my experience, women are less SPASTIC in sparring and more deliberate about their technique.
…which also allows me to focus on my technique & movement instead of using strength.
- Humility. No matter if my training partner is a man, woman, white belt or black belt, I look for opportunities to be HUMBLE enough to learn from them.
- Weight class. I'm 140lbs on my heaviest days, so it's nice to not be smashed, even if my 200lb opponent is controlled and technical.
Thanks, Rener and Eve for having this conversation. Congrats on your marriage, I wish you the best!
(Congrats also- because I think you now qualified your honeymoon as a business write-off!) ;)
Sometimes I have the feeling that if this principle was applied to everything, most problems would not exist in any part of life would not exist.
Thank you Rener and Eve for finally bringing this topic out into the open. I train Judo myself in Germany and I notice the same problems among all of us.
Congrats, good luck, have fun.
Keep it playful from Germany,
Sky
"There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the force."
- Jedi Code
It happened to me, when i first started join BJJ. For the first year i was the only woman in class and when its time to partner up or rolling, no guys would want to roll with me. My coach had to point out somebody that is safe to roll with me. But since i showed and proved them that i was good enough, they started to roll with me. And never crosed in my mind that guys that are rolling with me would have other agenda besides rolling because for me, when you are on the mat and roll, you have to look after yourself and your partner. One moment, another woman joined the class and stertef flirting with the partner, during the rolling she broke her arm in kimura because of giggling and flirting during roling. That was a good lesson for the whole class, even tho its a sad situation.
Professional actors put it this way during sex scenes (no penetrating anything)" if I do get one I'm sorry and if I don't I'm sorry" it's all professional and we all understand how the body works at the end of the day we should help each other improve in our craft or trade and learn from each other
I mean that's within the context of simulating sex... Rolling is not sex... But go off I guess
Congrats Rener!
I like your youtube channel I didn't expect to find you here. Do you train in jiu jitsu?
Something I don't think was really touched on which is something I have previously encountered myself and have had to work to get past, is the fact that many men are raised to never hurt a girl. While I now train with women regularly, I still occasionally feel uncomfortable going for submissions or putting women in uncomfortable positions even though I know women need to face some level of adversity when rolling to get better just as men do. When I was starting out it was often just easier to only train with men as then I wasn't compelled to feel concerned or guilty about utilising my techniques. Just a thought. Really enjoyed this video and found it really thought provoking, keep it up guys and congratulations! :)
This video could have been summed up in one sentence:
'Don't get a fucking knob-on during training'
what if you do tho? what are you suppose to do? Just like i need a minute and go to the toilet?
@@Monna7777777 honestly if you’re training with the intent to either improve yourself or even help her improve, that won’t even happen.
@@SatorMoon that´s not true at all. you can still get a boner no matter the intention.
Congratulations on your recent wedding and finding someone special to share your lives with! You seem like you compliment each other well.
Your videos have always been helpful, but you are raising the bar with videos like this that bring an even broader range of perspectives for your audience.
I started training Jiu Jitsu a month and a half ago. I'm 6'2, but I am also 150 pounds. My Jiu Jitsu academy is also a Crosfit/Retention weight lifting gym so most of the people who train Jiu Jitsu there, also do some sort of weight training. Therefore, I am one of the lightest males there and am partnered with females half of the time due to my teacher wanting us to learn techniques with someone of similar weight first so that we can get the muscle memory down. In training with females, one has broken her nose on the back of my head (completely her fault) and quit Jiu Jitsu after that, the other is a fantastic sport but she overthinks and it takes her a long time to understand techniques (which I do not blame on gender) and the final one is rougher than all of the males I've ever trained with who are also beginners, even former Marines. Point being, it all depends on the personality rather than the gender. Some girls are ditzy blondes and their boyfriend convinces them to try it out, some overthink, some do it because they want to feel empowered, some do it for self defense, some do it because they watch it happening while the do Crosfit. Don't worry about gender, worry about personality and how they are as a partner and practitioner just like you would any male.
upstateSCairsofter broke her nose on your head? *Joe Rogan voice* OHHHHH
***** LOL fucking joe rogan
upstateSCairsofter Well you dont sound judgemental at all. Why would anyone even train with you breaking noses and shit..
I'm really glad that a video like this exists, I realize that it is a few years old now but I am new to jujitsu and as a woman I think there are some great points made here. My husband bought me the Gracie combatives course for me to learning to protect myself and he is my sparring partner, I really like this video and the really beneficial instruction I receive from the Gracie's. Thank you.
I would have a hard time rolling with a girl like Eve. She looks like a supermodel. I'm only human.
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
I wouldn’t mind the mother’s milk by her 🤣 nah seriously people need to grow up if they find it awkward
Hahaha! She is a model!!
I've been teaching martial arts for 40 years. The last 35 years in the same academy in Florida. I have never asked students to partner-up.I always tell my students who to partner with, and I do not offer them a choice. I am the best qualified to pair off my students based upon what aspect of the curriculum I want them to practice. If the class is for sparring, as in all other classes, I pair up all of the students every time for every match. I've never had a problem with this, probably because I've always done it. If a student ever has a problem with any other student I'm always open to listening to their issue. Sometimes I've made decisions never to pair certain students together, but I have never considered checking this out with my students. After all, they are not qualified to decide with whom they should practice. I teach Mugendo (the unlimited way) which is a structured MMA program, which includes all the principles of martial arts practice; so we strike, sweep and throw, grapple and lock etc. All of my students who teach have been trained to follow my program, so thay also pair up the students rather than giving the students any choice. My process eliminates most of the issues discussed here.
Its not just Jiu-Jitsu its all across the martial arts spectrum. I trained in Tae Kwon Do for 4yrs and I treated everyone the same. I sparred with women, self-defence demonstrated on women so basically just throw that perception of "Its gonna be awkward to train with a girl/women" at the back of your mind and just ACCEPT her to spar or perform demonstration routines with because at the end of the day we have the same beliefs and purpose of WHY WE ARE TRAINING the art. Just go in there and support each other and be leaders together.
Me and my boys just joined here in Brazil, and it's cool, but I myself prefer not to train with women. I would probably be one of the best training partners for a woman being that I "am not that guy" but I would rather keep my training to men. My wife doesn't like the idea of me training with a woman, and I feel more comfortable training with men. I don't have to go into details. I told my instructor and he told me he was cool with my decision and when I told him I don't want anyone feeling uncomfortable he said know one needs to know. With that said I just roll with other men and we have an understanding. I believe we should all respect each others convictions.
Great video, saying what rarely gets said about training etiquette. I can't believe 62 people have disliked it, I don't understand what anyone could dislike about this video.
Congratulations on your marriage. Rener, love you man, but I've learned a great lesson about women. Outside of jujitsu, if Eve wants your advice, she'll basically ask you for it. Otherwise, listen to her, adore her, treat her like your Queen with small gifts and compliments and she'll treat like the King you so richly deserve. Great video's, keep em' up.
As a beginner judoka who's a fair bit bigger and stronger than most of the other newbies in my class, this video's been really helpful.
I think I've been being far too competitive in randori, trying to win rather than trying to learn. I've definitely been a smasher, and it hasn't really been useful for either me or my partners.
From now on I'm going to take it far more casually to focus on getting my techniques right and collaboratively learning with my partners, rather than trying to muscle my way through them to 'win'.
I've only rolled with one girl, and she was very athletically built and actually gave me a run for my money despite being a lot lighter. I could see it being very awkward in some situations, but it can be overcome. If your focus is to keep it professional, it will be.
I think that going through all the stages of undesirable and desirable characteristics is part of the journey of jiu jitsu.
I've been all these (except the stancher, well I hope I haven't been that one ha) at one time or another but am always trying to improve myself and balance the mental aspects or ego and training.
The knowledge that was shared in this video is as important as the technique videos. I'm glad that I watched it all the way through!
First time week I started jujitsu I'd always pair up with the same two woman and they dominated me without mercy. Ever since then I've never looked at women as inferior in fact the opposite. But that's just me I got ingrained early on to never underestimate ANYONE.
Thank you so much for making this! I have been looking for a resource like this since starting at a gym that has a fair amount of women in the class.
Thanks Rener and Eve. Having 4 daughters and a wife that I would like to see immerse themselves into the world of Gracie I found this video particular useful.
Congratulations
I started watching this video thinking I wouldn't finish it because it's so long, but every minute was worth it. Thank you for making this video and sharing it.
Good video. I like how his wife talks a lot about her experiences. But the comment section really shows how prevalent sexism is in BJJ.
This is why the Gracies are awesome no other MA studio have done this type of video, at least online that I have seen. My GF had been afraid of coming to train with me because of these issue brought up in this video. I showed her this video and she is hyped to come with me next week.
Yes, Rener's wife, Eve, is very beautiful, intelligent, well spoken, athletic, and knowledgeable about fitness, nutrition and a fellow GJJ student.
(BUT KEEP IT CLASSY AND RESPECTFUL!)
Congratulations to both of them.
NOW, back to the more important topic: Commenting of the video!
Great video, interesting points of view (I agree 100%).
It's sad that this is a real thing during training, not only in GJJ (or BJJ), but I'm sure their mindset would change when they spar with a "smaller and weaker" (in their fu*ked up way of thinking) female who is actually much more athletic, more knowledgeable about technic, and not afraid of going 100%
first off congrats on your marriage!!!!! This is a great video, its nice for someone to address this! i just started bjj classes in Dec.2013 and I roll with all guys because i have to(there are no females). I hope that more women decide to join. As a woman it is a good feeling to know if you have to protect yourself you can. I thank you both for this amazing and eye-opening video. Hopefully everyone has learned something as well:)
Where are you at? I’m in Indiana and want to start but am not sure where to because the closest Gracie gym is over an hour away.
People at my academy say you should go easy on chicks. I don't like to do this not because of ego, but because I would really hope that if they were in a defense situation they would be able to handle themselves.
i agree when I'm the only girl @ wrestling practice i don't expect ppl 2 go easy on me cuz I'm a female cuz i knew what i signed up 4 besides i made my choice 2 do this but i like the sport I'm in & i'll want 2 learn jiu jitsu
Much respect from Hawaii to the Gracie family. After watching Royce in the 90s win the UFC championships, I observed an honorability of a God fearing family and noticed that God was with your uncle Royce in his battles, and I also see that same God fearing in you Rener. I've trained in your uncle Relson's school here in Hawaii and it's hard to find virtuous people like the Gracie's
Rener and Eve, you guys are awesome. Hespect !!
dude this video was super educational in every aspect. "the right amount of challenge" was a sick segment on rolling with weaker teammates"
You get the same type of thing being a white belt.
Thanks guys, that's my every day situation and it's very frustrated cause there's no many girls in my academy and it's very common for me take a sit and only see the guys training. I'm going to share it !
Man, her eyes!
Put even the grittiest, toughest, and most dangerous martial artists next to their wives, they can't help but look adorable. Congratulations you two! I will definitely try harder to put these new perspectives into practice.
Congrat you two May God bring your marriage many blessings
Makes sense. I'm worry about hurting my female sparring partners during, but I'm slowly overcoming that. Thank you Eve and Rener.
The best way to deal with it that I have ever seen was in a Japanese dojo. When comes the time to roll, people form two lines, one in front of each other. You bow, grapple for 3 minutes, bow again and everyone moves one spot to the right.
Big or small, male or female, old or young, you are in the dojo, you will roll with everyone.
I find this is a great way to go about it because it completely bypasses the awkardness and the fear of rejection
First of all, congratulations. That's a good way of describing a sport and ways to better handle awkward moments, while making improvements. Yeah, that's respect.
Whenever I train I get so focused on what I'm doing that I do not have to think about my partner being a woman. I've rolled with plenty of females with no problem this way. If anything I'm more cautious on my attacks since most that I roll with have developed defenses and cleaner technique than I.
Exactly.
Nice words man very gracefull.
Thanks. Recently I started retraining, and my sister decided to join me. When some guys grapple with her I notice a definite difference in their attitude. It's like they do not know what to do with her. She's a person, treat her as such.
Jujitsu isnt just about the fighting or the strengths you gain for your body but it also comes with responsibility and discipline to beable to know what ls right given the situation. Wether training with your sister or brother it makes no difference. Whether the its with a stronger person , it does.So the main thing to try and go for in the end is not to go overboard and take advantage too much and not to treat them like they are pathetic by not even giving them a chance.
Wow....some great comments from the guys! Others? Not so much! And for that I will keep my bear spray in my purse!...I have brothers. ...they would roll with me...you pervs?....you don't belong here...ju jitsu is about humility, not sexism! Grow up!
Thank you putting this video together. I am not a jiu-jitsu person but I can attest that this video is helpful to all martial artists. It is worth the watch.
She looks like eve torres from raw
she is lol..
aejwisd =/
aejwisd ayyyyyyyyy
She is eva Torres from raw lol.
And she's even named Eve! Amazing....
What Eve said about women being fearful to ask men to be their training partner because they are afraid the man will think 'ugh, I gotta train with the girl again' and that the man might want a better, stronger or more fierce training partner, is 100% true!! I've been training 5 months and this is me all the time. But luckily, some of the men in my academy are great and they see it as a chance to focus on technique.
Congratulations on the wedding! I'm happy for you!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the opposite trainer. I learned a lot from both of you. Shout from Navajo Nation
The hardest part of rolling with females is finding the balance of not hurting them and not patronizing by treating them like children. I'm so much stronger than females it really is like rolling with a child.
than you never rolled with a good woman
women like ronda rousey are not that weak and way more skilled
+John Constantin you're partially correct. I've rolled with some really good brown belts but they were considerably smaller than me. Skill can only cover a strength gap to a certain point. At 6 foot 2 and 220lbs it's hard to find ladies that can bridge that gap.
Seamus O Doyle no actually bjj is all about that
The more skilled fighter wins not the heavier
Seamus O Doyle no bob sapp was 375lbs with abs ...that is the most amount of steroid muscle ever in any ring
You or anybody for that matter are not even close to that and never will be
Nobody talks about hulk here
But even sabb git submittet by way smaller guys
+John Constantin yeah but you see what I'm getting at. The reason I love jiu jitsu so much is because of what you're saying. Skill over size. But only to a point. The gap between me and the average sized lady is comparable to the gap between me and a roided out bob sapp in his peak. I would be throttled like a tiny child if he got his hands on me.
I never cared about sports until I came into the world of Martial Arts. Men or women doesn't matter, I always deeply admire many talented athletes 👏
When I roll with a female training partner I treat it as more of a flow than a full on roll. I try to use minimal strength and focus on the technique. I enjoy being able to slow it down a bit sometimes, it helps me see things. There are plenty of male training partners available to go hard with so I don't feel I'm losing out on anything by training with a woman every once in a while. I also try to consider their training needs as well, I'm there to learn but to also help others learn. They've caught and subbed me several times and I'm cool with it. The female being able to execute her technique and score a submission or being able to sweep or re-guard tells me that she is benefiting from the roll as well.
Rener is the most sympathetic guy i have ever witnessed ever. He is such a good dude, wtf.
I mean this seriously. Perhaps some guys might be afraid of getting an erection while rolling with women. That would be very embarrassing for everyone.
True
I wear a cup. Doesn't anybody wear a cup while they're rolling?
PhilomathBret Even worse, Its painful.
no gi, that could be a problem. With a gi on, it should obscure a halfie pretty easily. Really though what kind of culture do we live in where it's shameful for your body to do something it was meant to do >.>
Control your body a little, jesus. I roll with women all the time, and I've never even come close to having an erection.
This is a very good discussion. I like it! It does address many things that happen in jujutsu/jiu-jitsu training. I train in Japanese Jujutsu but know RIckson Gracie from years ago and we practice many of the same things but that is not important here. It is about training with the opposite sex. I feel this discussion goes across the board, even in different or similar arts. Thank you for this! It really helped me see things differently as an Instructor and I have had many of the same things happen in my school/dojo. I really mean this! Thank-you!
Honestly, I don't believe it's a fear of rejection. I'm just getting started at the age of 40 and my worst fear of rolling with women (not that I'll be rolling for a few years) is getting sexually aroused. Again, I'm new to this and hoping that it won't happen and I don't think it will but again, it's an irrational "worst case scenario" fear. Imagine being new to the sport and trying to learn and also having to deal with the awkwardness of that close quarters type of activity with a man much less all of the anxieties that come along with thinking about doing that with a woman. "Please don't let me touch her boobs inappropriately, please don't let me pop a woody, please don't let me make her feel objectified when I'm trying to do the right thing." As I said, I'm new to it, probably too old to be starting but I'm hopeful. In the past 20 years the extent of my man-on-man contact is a handshake so the first few classes felt awkward as hell (slowly it's becoming a non-issue and hope it continues to do so and will eventually be like that with any partner). Anyway, just telling the truth and saying that it's awkward enough without introducing the opposite sex. If you grew up around it and have done it for years and can roll with anyone, that's awesome and something to strive for but starting out it can be very foreign. Love your videos, inspiring on and off the mats, thanks for what you do :)
If it happens it happens. I made a point of bringing just this exact point up with my sons. If it starts to happen (with a male or female partner) tap out and say "i've got diarrhea" and run to the bathroom. Seriously. The diarrhea excuse works in any environment. It'll get you a temporary break anywhere - even basic training (I've seen it used, it works). Knowing you've got an exit strategy takes the worry away, and makes training with women less stressful.
Been at it for a few months now. It was a silly fear, doesn't even come to mind when you're about to get choked out :)
Car Guy exactly
I had the same exact fear and I just started, but its turned out to not be a thing at all. Well, it is always going to be awkward inherently at leasrt for a while because that's how your bodies work, but when you get used to thinking about technique and movement then its hard to think about much else. Also, it helps me to think that I am helping girls learn to defend themselves against men, so my mission is to help them and I'm not dwelling on how their body feels or something. Its definitely a growing process.
please don't say you have diarrhea. Just saying you need to use the restroom is fine. lol.
Smashers, Stenchers, Senseis, and Snipers they are all in our BJJ gym,how can a white belt woman deal with them?
Actually, in my experience, one thing that scares girls away is bigger, more aggressive girls. Guys almost always take a very cautious attitude when training with females, but sometimes there's a bigger, more athletic female who beats the shit out of the other girls. The problem there is that only a very small minority of women have the natural aggression to deal with that kind of energy. Roughhousing is natural for most men, but not for most women. And women tend to be very competitive with each other (perhaps even more so than men are with each other) so, that one tough-ass girl can take pleasure in beating the crap out of the other girls.
J. EXACTLY!
Congratulations! When you get home, the effort begins. It's not all a bowl of cherries, BUT you can make it worthwhile.
do you two train together? and if so, does your rolling ever turn into sex?
More than likely their sex turns into rolling.
lol, theyre brother and sisterXD
Ron Scrollins lol, no they're not.
Ron Scrollins they're married you idiot! if you don't know don't say!
aren't they at least related?
Congratulations! This is exactly how I feel and what I am going through. This helped me out a lot. Thank you
when someone is in the gym with a Gi on it doesnt make a difference to me male/femal/child/teen. They will be treated with respect and get what they give. I am there to learn/roll and if you are not then you are in the wrong place and the experienced people will never want to roll with you.
These videos are too long to stay in front of my computer listening. You guys should totally create the Gracie Podcast so that I can listen to this while I work at the lab. Love and respect for the married couple!
Rener, your wife is beautiful, bro.
blue eyes of peace
show me a hot chick, I'll show you a guy who's sick of her shit.
Bro, yes just yes. 👍
Anibal Jesus Delgadillo yeah... too bad he can't tell she's not into him.. she's just using him for his name. I could care less about y'all trash talking me. Its just the Damn truth. Give em 10 yrs til she's locked into his benefits then she's gone.
Unfortunately there's more reality to what you're saying than most people are willing to agree with.
Women deserve respect for the simple fact they have to deal with smelly, sweaty, dudes rolling on the ground just to learn the art.
oss, see you on the mat
You should do more of such one hour talkings, they're great
I feel really uncomfortable doing ju jitsu with a women because I'm a sweaty hairy guy and i wouldn't want to put a women through that and i wouldn't want to be unattractive to her not because i want her but just because i would feel less attractive to myself. Also if I go really hard on a women and win I really feel like a wife beater or a bully.
Hahaha you're sweet
This is such a great video! Eve; I am so guilty of being to shy to pick a partner! I look foward to seeing more from these two. Thanks so much for this video.
I would not want to train with any one like Eve Gracie for several reasons, I would gladly turn her down from a roll, I would totally avoid her. I train with females and have no problem with it, but honestly this video would make me not want to train with woman. "Do this, don't do that. Don't go too hard, but don't be a fish etc.... " Im just glad the woman I know don't have this attitude or I wouldn't want to train with them. Honestly, it just seems like common sense to adjust your pace, tempo, and intensity to your training partners. The monment you make up these internal rules, you make it weird and awkward. Its like your making a thing out of it when I don't think it was ever an issue in the first place. Leave it to Rener and Eve to make it awkward.
Very informative. Great video that equips someone interested in Jujitsu on the subculture etiquettes of coed norms in sparring for the benefit of both personal growth in BJJ, and finding one's way among the various sparring experiences in working up through the belt promotions and ranks. An intimate look at the world of BJJ when "rolling" that enlightens and educates in a loving couple's perspective.
Sometimes guys do want to roll with the pretty girl, If you roll with sweaty dudes all the time and a pretty girl joins the class it can be a nice change since she is a student also. The more technique less strength thing is also a plus.
Reread that and realise how much of a creep you sound like.
bluechip17 Bullshit.
mthai66 How would you know.
How would I know you sound like a creep? Because I checked, and you still sound like a creep.
mthai66 Oh, you checked, that's brilliant.
First off ...Congrats Eve and Rener!! Great talk guys ..I'm a blue belt via Fabio Santos (Rickson Gracie assoc..) I have been on Hiatus form GJJ for seven years....I recently started dating an amazing woman....I asked her to also be my training partner....we are both currently students of Gracie U. Thanks guys!
imagine the nuts that were finally busted on that trip. after all those years of strict and disciplined training, holding back his sexual urges and using it them to become a better athlete, the gates were finally opened.
i write some fucking weird shit on youtube...
Yoo.
Show respect to the master
I don't know why so many people hate on the Gracies? What have they done? As far as I have ever seen they seem like very down to earth, decent people.
boethius17 Success invites that kind of disparagement. In addition, Rener and Eve also look happy, and some pseudo-cynical people can't stand that. I completely agree with your assessment, and Rener is a great spokesman for his family brand. I admire people who try to use martial arts as a way of helping other people live more confident and successful lives, and the Gracies have done that.
Reese Witheredpoon Completely agree, especially the last sentence.
Fuark bro, so embarrassing, I was grappling with this chick and my fingers got stuck under her bra strap as I was trying to fight for double underhooks.
sounds like you got those underhooks
Lol
I was rolling with this guy in my class and when he went to take mount my hand got stuck up his shorts! He's a nice guy and all but I was not ready to become that familiar with him.
***** I did REPEATEDLY! poor guy was pretty embarrassed. Needless to say he started wearing compression shorts
***** I am not, sorry.
Great to hear! Hope it all goes well for you and thanks for all the great information and teaching you've given us :)
i read the title of this video as "holling with the opposite sex" -_-
I have learned from this video so much because as a short guy i am aggressive and always trying to win in a grappling session but that is the only way i know how to learn. I want to give 100% and if someone can't take it give me someone better until i meet someone who beats me then out of natural selection you end up with an equally matched opponent.
Generally speaking there is advantages for rolling with either sex if you are a male. If the skill and techniques are the same generally a woman will be more flexible than men and smaller making them more agile. Training with a man, a man can train with someone larger or equal size, of equal strength or stronger. Training with both will allow you to understand how to roll with someone bigger, of equal size, and smaller, this will make you a better fighter.
Um, you just listed advantages to training with someone bigger, NOT training with a man.
lllllionllllll Was there a point anywhere in there?
lllllionllllll Um, you are no position to call anyone's comments dumb. The fact that even you are admitting that those statements are generalizations supports MY position, not yours. Furthermore as my comments were about specifics, the "generalizations" are irrelevant. Again, the item listed are not advantages of training with a man, they are advantages of training with someone bigger.
The fact that you did not even address these specifics makes YOUR comment dumb.
lllllionllllll You're pone to talk. All you have demonstrated is your complete inability to understand written English.
The entire point is that the statement was NOT written as a generalization, it was written as a universally quantified statement. DO you even know what that means?!? The only person who seems to be having difficulties here is you.
As to your last bit of nonsense, the statement indeed does have NO VALUE at all in the discussion, as again, gender is NOT the issue.
As to your moronic condescension, you are in no position to be talking down to anybody.
lllllionllllll I got his point just fine. Try taking a course in basic logic, and learn what universally quantified statements are, and their relationship to existentially quantified statements.
And AGAIN the issue is not general vs specific, it is universally quantified vs existentially quantified. You WERE speaking generally, but you were NOT making a generalization in the colloquial sense.
Nor, if you were, would your comments have any value whatsoever, other than to waste bandwidth.
Thank you so much for making this video!! That was awesomeness!!😄🙌🏼👏🏼
We were all sparring and the room was mostly silent until a huge and very loud fart blast came from two female white belts. Several people poked their heads up in an effort to determine the guilty party but those girls just kept rolling like pros. wow! Jiu Jitsu is really interesting.
you trippin bro, women don't poop
shaanbullet HA,HAAA!
Those women must been farting during the rest of the class
Actually, there was this one guy in particular I rolled with one time that used pretty much 100% muscle to pass, mount etc and I can confidently say that it benefited me a lot more than it did him. Everything he did would not work on someone 4in taller so he was wasting his time. I on the other hand worked my defensive BJJ extensively, probably more than I ever had with anyone else. So in a weird way I'm grateful for it.
To the person who thinks men and women shouldn't co-grapple, do they also think a purple belt shouldn't roll with a white belt? Or a new white belt? Should the white belt be at a certain level to grapple with higher level people?. Certainly they can do this without causing injury. Why so different with women. In a pro level setting, or hardcore semi-private training maybe, but in a commercial school, I think it is necessary to train with all strength and skill levels.
Of course, I always try to roll with the black belts, then the browns, and often am rolling with the whites because those ahead of me are doing the same.
I get the feeling you can't orgasm in a vagina. And probably can't make a vagina orgasm either. It's your life tho. Hope you kno someone that will give you soup money
Real men don't fight with women unless absolutely necessary; play fighting is fine though.
STUPID! Coed training short changes the MAN, and only benefits the wo-MAN.
This is something i would love to do and learn with my husband. He has a great intimidating size, strong and perfect do learn with. He is a great training partner. He is so supportive with this type of sport and he loves it as much as I do. We will watch your videos at home and take it to the mat. Thx guys
Hopefully we take a trip to Gainesville because we live in Florida and take a couple of classes for the weekend cross our fingers😄😄😄😄😄
There is a level of awkward that I just don't think can be overcome, you are in some positions rubbing your groins on each other and against each other. With another dude its not the most pleasant part of training, but with a woman there is another level of awkward. (And if you have a significant other that doesn't get the clinical nature of the jiu jitsu puzzle they may not like it either, and can cause problems at home)
ye, exactly, some positions are even more awkward when done on species of the opposites sex... when i spar i sometimes put my hand on my opponent's chest (both guys), nothing weird here, but when you're sparring with a girl, don't tell me she's not going to mind it because "there are no sexual feelings on the mat" or whatever.
waldomarek Or going for the under hook as the partner turns away. Many times the hand lands on the chest... which is as you say not weird with guys.
Shniggit so that's a no go area? just like putting your hand on the ground (kimura) and on their neck (armbar)? leaves little to do then?
You can put your hands higher on the chest or just figure out another way. I think you make it awkward for yourself. I roll with men who have wives and girlfriends. I have a fiance who doesn't practice bjj and he doesn't get upset over it. If you have a partner that gets upset over it then bring them to class and show them what you do and ask them to join in. We are all there to train and to achieve the same goals. I admit sometimes my chest gets touched, but its not in a sexual way. I don't feel weird about it. I just keep going. If you make it weird its going to be weird. We just want to be looked at as equals on the mats.
Tiffany Peterson brilliant probably one of the most sensible responses on here.
Thnx Gracies! You made the world a better fighter :)
Rener is spot on when saying the type of person they are talking about at approx. 42:00 is often a guy as well. Theres a guy where I train that breaks down just about every class! He is a big strong guy with decent technique but whenever anyone gives him a challenge or he starts to get winded he feighns injury which is bad enough but then he proceeds to flop around on the mat and howl for everyone to hear how his opponent hurt him with bad technique! Its actually embarressing!! Its getting to the point that NOBODY wants to roll with him and he's actually stupid enough to think people are afraid of his "Awesome Jiu Jitsu Skill" LMAO!! DONT BE THAT GUY!!!
Rener is better at shutting up and let Eve talk when she wants, then when with his brother. Nicely done Eve.
My goodness, he is handsome! lmao... No really though, her eyes... I don't know how he stays out of her full guard.
This was a very informative video! I recently started as a white belt earlier this year, and knew absolutely nothing prior to going in. I desperately wished there was something like this showed at my BJJ gym to people new to the sport. It should be titled, "BJJ Etiquette". This benefited many different aspects and levels of people in Jiu-Jitsu!
damn your last name is stanley
Where was this? it looks absolutely gorgeous!
Maldives
Such great points you guys covered! Can't tell you how often most of these have crossed my mind!! The chest "fur" comment, killed me!! 😂😂😂😂
For me, rolling with women - especially higher belt women - has benefited my game tremendously. I can't go 100% and brute force my way through positions/submissions - I'm forced to be technical. And it helps their game as well, having to move with someone who outweighs them, and who is being technical too. It's a win win rolling with women in my opinion.