The Universal Misunderstanding (Gracie Philosophy)

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  • Опубліковано 3 бер 2013
  • Your philosophy determines how you think, how you think determines how you act, and how you act determines how long it will take you to master the art. In this Gracie Philosophy video, Ryron explains what he believes to be one of the biggest misunderstandings in jiu-jitsu. We have seen extraordinary growth in students who have adopted the concepts in this video and have applied them to their training, and if you want to train jiu-jitsu for the rest of your life, we recommend you do the same.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 553

  • @powerboon2k
    @powerboon2k 8 років тому +130

    Ryrons understanding of jiu jitsu is frigging deep. Full Yoda style.

    • @delmarsimpson25
      @delmarsimpson25 6 років тому +1

      Na...rickson was the Yoda....ryron was a jedi

  • @axzxxzxa8613
    @axzxxzxa8613 9 років тому +69

    This is absolutely true. Until my 5th day of BJJ, I was terrible when in someones guard. I would always get submitted because of the pressure to pass the guard. A purple belt told me to just chill and focus on base, posture, arms, and to just wait and watch for the opponent to make a move. My skill from someones guard rose instantly and exponentially. Everyone white belt should watch this video.

    • @afeagzajeaff
      @afeagzajeaff 8 років тому +1

      +Axzx xzxA I'm guessing you're not really talking about your 5th "day", right? :p

    • @HiFisch94
      @HiFisch94 8 років тому

      +Pierre Bouché I think he actually is. I mean, you don't know how long he has been training to refer to exponential growth, but he is talking about it being good advice for a white belt.

    • @leviswm
      @leviswm 9 місяців тому

      Are you still training?!!!

    • @johnthree1611
      @johnthree1611 Місяць тому

      What belt are you now? Eight years later.

  • @JulianGudger
    @JulianGudger 11 років тому +24

    When I started watching Gracie Breakdowns, I thought Ryron was timid and Rener was confident, but the more I watch Ryron, he's got that quiet power that master teachers (in any discipline) have. Very good philosophy. Lessons to be learned in losing when things are playful pay off when you gotta win or losing means dying.

    • @sayadclothing
      @sayadclothing 2 роки тому +2

      Ryron is a beast, when he talks, he throws only laser sharp words.

    • @Liefvikerson
      @Liefvikerson 2 дні тому

      He seems like a real good teacher and warrior . I wish he woudnt have been so timid against Andre Galvol ,I believe he could have beaten him if he tried to win instead of trying not just survive.

  • @imaturtleur2
    @imaturtleur2 11 років тому +2

    Ryron's philosophies are much like the ones I learned being a Halo champion. You cannot lose if you do not get killed. Because this is an absolutely defensive philosophy in a win/loss scenario, I had to be confident in my offensive ability. It is really interesting hearing Ryron explain this in a more practical arena than video games.

  • @MrPotatoesLatkie
    @MrPotatoesLatkie 11 років тому +3

    My Judo instructor told class a few weeks ago that the fear if getting thrown is often why people get hurt. He said one must embrace the fall and, expect to get hurt, even hope to get hurt and, said that one that's in your mind, come back and, tell me how it worked out. He followed that by having each student throw the other in one long line. Some throws were fast and, technical, while others were slower and, strength based. The result was that no one got hurt, as we all knew how to fall.

  • @tekshow
    @tekshow 11 років тому +2

    I love the keep it playful mindset! I've been a guest at clubs doing exactly what you're talking about. Pedro Sauer has influenced me on this as well. And I usually give up the control when I meet new people. One thing I learned quickly is that the top person will expose their game and try all their best stuff when they get frustrated early on. It's a lot of fun, because you're just sitting there defending and they can't do anything. The survival really comes out, the self defense mode. I have

  • @sikwheelie
    @sikwheelie 10 років тому +7

    Great philosophy. I've seen a lot of misunderstanding of the art at schools. I think more instructors should include this thought in their instruction.

  • @CaptPostmod
    @CaptPostmod 4 роки тому

    I'm a student in a non-Gracie University school. But I feel like Rener and Ryron are my main professors. Because the things you guys teach have proven the most helpful in my jiu-jitsu journey and kept me going.

  • @DavidRamirez-fl7dm
    @DavidRamirez-fl7dm 5 років тому +3

    All the film I studied of Rickson Gracie this is one part of the essence of Gracie ju jitsu. I do this now! He creates submission situation by feeding there over zealous need for his opponent to tap him! Fantastic!

  • @bmckenzie69
    @bmckenzie69 11 років тому

    He does a great job of explaining the importance of patience. When I was training a few years ago, the big thing we stressed was to pause and breathe. When you take a moment to just protect yourself and breathe you conserve energy and cause your opponent to use energy. As he said, you learn a lot too. Great video.

  • @davespellen1596
    @davespellen1596 7 років тому +4

    Top-notch stuff - you just made me realise that BJJ is the sport for me - very insightfully inspiring. Cheers fella.

  • @chrysaliscamps3838
    @chrysaliscamps3838 4 роки тому +1

    Great eyes opening video! The defend-escape-control-submit philosophy and the importance of the passive stages, challenge so much the philosophy found in regular competition-based martial arts, it's mind boggling... It's easy to get lost in just drilling techniques and fitness and neglect the mindset that should guide the whole thing... I really like the phrase in the description "How you think determines how you act", and I'd like to add that furthemore than influencing one's mastery of the art, how you act will shape your life in the current way it is... "All that we are is the result of what we have thought" - Buddha ;)

  • @GrapplersQuest
    @GrapplersQuest 11 років тому +2

    Great work by the Gracie Brothers for spreading new philosophies and theories - keep pushing forward guys!

  • @tcards4941
    @tcards4941 10 років тому

    I've seen a lot of beginner videos as a beginner, but I've never heard wiser words. Thank you.

  • @PayatLumpia
    @PayatLumpia 11 років тому +1

    So insightful! Such priceless knowledge! Thank you, Ryron! This will change my Jiu-jitsu completely. I'm excited to try it out the next time I train!

  • @Mastaflo
    @Mastaflo 3 роки тому

    This makes so much sense. I'm glad I came across this video. Will be applying this philosophy into my jiujitsu journey. Thank you.

  • @kaiceecrane3884
    @kaiceecrane3884 6 років тому

    This is a great video the watch and refer back to. I like coming back to this after a couple of years and seeing where and how my understanding has progressed. When I first saw this video I thought he was speaking about knowledge on how to behave in various sinerios, a key guide that is simple to explain to use. Well, just because it is simple doesn't mean it's not difficult. Coming back to this video now I see he is talking the understanding of being in a position, how and when to move and not. He is referring to the intimate knowledge you only gain with experience in doing. There is nuance to everything, and small tiny details within it all. Yes, if you don't move at all who ever of any skill will do what they want with you all they want, but if you move too much you leave too many gaps open for too long and someone will exploit them. With experience you can learn proper pace, what that is, and to control it. You learn how and when to move in any moment and when not to. With every who, what, when, where, why, and how you discover an understanding along side the knowledge you already have. Stay patient, exploit mistakes, create mistakes in your opponent. Stay calm and comfortable, breathe and relax, focus. Ryron know what he saying, his understanding of it is great. I think this is something everyone should refer back to from time to time

  • @razor84man
    @razor84man 11 років тому

    I thought i was the only one who thought this way . I have been doing this for a while now , and thought that i was alone in thinking this way . I am so happy that i found this video!! Its gratifying to know i am doing it right . THANK YOU Ryon ,THANK YOU .

  • @brysonz
    @brysonz 5 років тому +4

    Best advice. Most time the best escape comes from your opponent when they get over zealous for a submission.

  • @FelipeSantos-uk8ub
    @FelipeSantos-uk8ub 9 років тому +3

    Thank you guys! This class made a huge diference already.
    Na minha academia não aprendemos isso, é uma boa academia, mas não temos esse tipo de aula.

  • @ChloeDunIT
    @ChloeDunIT 8 років тому +2

    Thank you so much Ryron for the video! As myself I am barely a week into BJJ and will start to use this mindset!

  • @jesusthroughmary
    @jesusthroughmary 4 роки тому

    This is the most that I have seen Ryron talk.

  • @PACIFICBboy
    @PACIFICBboy 8 років тому

    As someone who is only a week into bjj, this is great advice. Whenever we do live rolling I find myself only concerned with getting off my back or passing guard. I'll have a new mindset next time I go to class. Thanks

  • @JoeyMcPeace
    @JoeyMcPeace 11 років тому

    Gosh, I appreciate your conviction - give this video another listen but really let it penetrate. This is about training and the order of events that should take place - this is a very serious message. Imagine this - you are on the bottom of the mount in a street fight - so you try to stay close and hug his body. This is the split second that Ryron is pointing to - he's saying you should keep it close and defend THEM and upon defending, your escape is made available!

  • @KenpoKid77
    @KenpoKid77 11 років тому +2

    I think what he's trying to say is with enough patience and awareness, one can escape any position, even a so-called bad one. Granted, he's talking about non-competitive situations where points and time are not factors, but he's really speaking to how people get hasty because of fear and pride. We have a saying in karate that correlates to this: Don't tell yourself, "I have to win;" Rather, tell yourself, "I don't have to lose..."

  • @duncansutherland47
    @duncansutherland47 6 років тому

    I have to keep reminding myself this. Thank you Professor Ryron!

  • @JiuJitsuIT
    @JiuJitsuIT 11 років тому

    Tap more, lose less. One of the best video ever Ryron.

  • @TheByrdHouse
    @TheByrdHouse 9 років тому

    I'm a white belt, less than a year. I found myself doing this last week rolling, (before I saw this video) with another white belt who had over a year of training. I found myself comfortable giving my back, relaxing and defending and not getting submitted. It felt great and was a win for me. This makes sense to me, thanks.

  • @TheLockon00
    @TheLockon00 4 роки тому

    That bit at the end about embracing being tapped was awesome.

  • @vincentscheiss
    @vincentscheiss 11 років тому

    i had hurtn my knee, because i wasn´t escaping right..but with my ego under controll and the philosophy of ryron gracie in my mind all the time in life and jiu jitsu i become a better defense and offence player, relaxing more burn not so much energie.. and i don´t get hurt a lot!! thankx to the gracie university specialy to ryron, his mindset changed a lot for me on the ground!!

  • @primate4
    @primate4 11 років тому

    Dang! Ryron is so insightful and has a cool way of explaining the obvious that none of us, including me, think about. Awesome instructor!

  • @user-ws5ft8xo1z
    @user-ws5ft8xo1z 2 роки тому

    thank you for this golden mindset before i begin my training! so excited to start my first lesson next week!

  • @hotshot940
    @hotshot940 11 років тому

    Thanks for the excellent insight, Ryron. Looking forward to your seminar in Columbus this month!

  • @Hextin
    @Hextin 10 років тому +7

    I can relate. Im 141. I was grappling a guy who was 190. He had mount with my arm across my body to the other side so i literaly couldnt move at all. I just laid there and waited for him to make a move and when her did i dont quite remember what happened but i some how teleported behind him from underneath and got a rear naked choke and he tapped.

    • @reptizzle4020
      @reptizzle4020 6 років тому +5

      Wow good to know people as old as 190 can still roll!

  • @steve7309
    @steve7309 11 років тому

    I heard the same speech in Ottawa, that's an amazing philosophy and i'm happy to hear it again, since repetition is the mother of skill. DANG !

  • @CarlosGomez-cw3nd
    @CarlosGomez-cw3nd 4 місяці тому

    I finally found what I’ve been looking for in GJJ. I started this BJJ (“Journey “) 20+years ago. I’ve earned my Blue belt twice from two different schools. What I’ve learned is what Ryron is explaining. My instructor and training partners would get frustrated with me because my jiu-jitsu wasn’t in line with the sport aspect of jiu-jitsu.

  • @SurveyofFilmMusic
    @SurveyofFilmMusic 9 років тому

    Ryon! BRILLIANT video! At the Valente Brothers (w/Jimmy Robertson), I do this EVERY private lesson. Respect!!!!!!

  • @upfrontmma
    @upfrontmma 11 років тому

    Watching this is absolutely helped and changed the way I roll now. Total game changer.

  • @HerbertCruz27
    @HerbertCruz27 11 років тому

    My Jiu Jitsu mind has really expanded after this video, Thank you!

  • @MrGarky
    @MrGarky 11 років тому

    Great perspective, Ryron. Very true. How did I not think of this?

  • @anthonyfabiano4827
    @anthonyfabiano4827 3 роки тому

    Ryron....thank you so much for this philosophy. Fabulous!

  • @khal9369
    @khal9369 8 років тому +1

    Dear Ryron and Rener please if you can make a seminar in Regina Saskatchewan Canada
    that would be awesome

  • @djrodriguez6582
    @djrodriguez6582 9 років тому

    Thanks for the insight. I felt like doing this would be boring to the guy on top of me but now I see he has to think even more

  • @rickdavis202
    @rickdavis202 11 років тому

    Every one my students in the my kids classes needs to watch this. As a Pedro
    Sauer Academy we focus on smooth and defensive competency, but the mindset here is the answer to why

  • @Jasonhimstedt1979
    @Jasonhimstedt1979 11 років тому

    Good stuff here. Many of us under Master Kenny Kim at Impact in Marietta, GA train this way often. Sometimes we put ourselves in a bad spot or give our partners something so we can learn to escape from it. Being tapped is not the end of the world. We keep it playful and friendly while still knowing how to challenge each other. We are a family and everyone getting better is the goal. We don't just congratulate the "winner". We do drills where we start off in a bad spot and learn how to defend

  • @PrixGem
    @PrixGem 11 років тому

    Thank you Master Ryron for teaching the world generously.

  • @KenpoKid77
    @KenpoKid77 11 років тому +1

    ...Entire battles & wars have been won based on being still and observing enemy movement. Sun Tzu is considered one of the greatest authorities on war in history because he recognized how patience, stillness and conservation of energy can be used to defeat an overly aggressive and impatient opponent. Many other military and martial arts legends became legendary because they followed his advice, and this Gracie is doing the same. Takes a patient and humble person to understand such things.

  • @sergeymorozov7867
    @sergeymorozov7867 11 років тому

    Thank You Ryron. For keepitplayful mindset.

  • @fierwall5
    @fierwall5 7 років тому +2

    I hate being on my back like a lot. But this chill and take it easy advice might work for me. I like the idea of them setting their own trap intsead of making them give it to you. Every one messes up eventualy and if you don't do anything then you can't really mess up.

  • @HonestTaiChi
    @HonestTaiChi 11 років тому

    this same outlook in tai chi is known as "investing in loss" it's the root of that chillness and it's what gives you that greater understanding

  • @jnspinola
    @jnspinola 11 років тому

    Thanks Ryron! I really like the way you see and live Bjj. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

  • @Josef_R
    @Josef_R 8 років тому +1

    This is the exact philosophy I want in a school, yet the only BJJ schools available in my area come from the Carlos, not Helio branch of the family. When I ask them about training to fight from the bottom, they have no idea what I'm talking about.

  • @tghill
    @tghill 11 років тому

    For a while, I've been dealing with a shoulder injury (partially torn tendon).Eventually, I re-started grappling with care and tap out immediately if that shoulder is in jeopardy. I found that my grappling mentality has changed COMPLETELY, I am way more conservative, if I'm in a disadvantaged position, I wait for my opponent to make a move and then neutralize it and I capitalize on his mistakes. I get submitted WAY LESS than when I was gung ho ... a testament to what Ryron is saying here.

  • @raulnsherah
    @raulnsherah 7 років тому +34

    You're a Yoda. Dude. Make more of these

  • @Nola213
    @Nola213 11 років тому

    very important concept. Thanks Ryron.

  • @tghill
    @tghill 11 років тому

    oh yeah, and I have way more fun since I am less worried about attacks & strategies - I see them coming from a mile away!

  • @xroth4855
    @xroth4855 5 років тому

    Good thinking Ryron Thanks

  • @vadShubaev
    @vadShubaev 11 років тому

    Exactly what i looked for! Brilliant information.. Thank you Ryron!

  • @titogoose
    @titogoose 11 років тому

    This is truly brilliant. Humility man.

  • @UponGiantsShoulders
    @UponGiantsShoulders 11 років тому

    Brilliant. Purpose, intent, the meta game between the minds of the fighters. Well reasoned.

  • @kaorisuzuki3541
    @kaorisuzuki3541 5 років тому

    I'm a new white belt in BJJ and this way of thinking is helping me to survive longer against my training partners in rolling. Thanks Ryron!

  • @CJfunctional
    @CJfunctional 2 роки тому

    I've given into that. The last two weeks I've been getting tapped like crazy. It was not fun the first week but, I wrapping my brain around it. Thanks

  • @kcwonder
    @kcwonder 11 років тому +2

    This man is a genius! Man, I wish I could train with this guy...

  • @jwillard911
    @jwillard911 6 років тому

    This is how I have came so far so fast. White to purple in 3y1m. I have held my on with high purple and browns as well. Every time I roll with jr's I take the time to work on all the new things I've leaned and polish them up. I have become a very technical 44yr old player.I probably spend 95% of my training playing Jits.

  • @jimp4love
    @jimp4love 11 років тому

    Good stuff. I like the "big picture" Aristotelian-approach by the Gracies (i.e., reason, logic and reality). As Ayn Rand once pointed-out: we're all guided by a philosophy whether we know it or not (so you might as well KNOW it and choose the RIGHT one if you value survival and happiness)...

  • @87612ggm
    @87612ggm 11 років тому

    Fantastic ! Keep it playfull !

  • @vmbrazilianjj
    @vmbrazilianjj 9 років тому

    I have been doing this ever since I started but in a fight I would battle to get the top position because of ground and pound but I would be patient

  • @andrewkim6037
    @andrewkim6037 5 років тому

    Great teacher, sage advice.

  • @joshmullins2473
    @joshmullins2473 11 років тому

    To be as young as ryron is I feel he is very wise. I really like this way of thinking. Being a scientist of JiuJitsu.. So awesome!!

  • @MegaLawngnome
    @MegaLawngnome 11 років тому

    Said very well. Will use this in my sparring from now on.

  • @lsloewen2
    @lsloewen2 11 років тому

    Ryron, your my hero. Come teach some seminars in Alaska.

  • @DavidMorrisgplus
    @DavidMorrisgplus 3 роки тому

    Great discussion about what is commonly referred to as Loss Aversion. Loss aversion is people's tendency to strongly prefer avoiding losses rather than acquiring gains. Some studies suggest that losses are twice as powerful, psychologically, as gains. This cognitive bias was first convincingly demonstrated by Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman (i.e., we fear more about getting tapped out (a loss) than submitting someone else (a win).

  • @ErdoS845
    @ErdoS845 11 років тому

    This is incredibly interesting, even for someone like me, an outsider to the Martial Arts world. Good stuff.

  • @lathanaiwohi3248
    @lathanaiwohi3248 4 роки тому +3

    Ryron your the man I know EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT 🤙🏾 wise man. OSS

  • @michelpapineau8868
    @michelpapineau8868 11 років тому

    Very wisely said...totally makes sense...it is amazing the amount of wisdom bjj brings...there is no challenge in life that cannot be used as a metaphor with bjj. In life as in bjj, you have to fail your way to success....great video!

  • @MrBelascoaranShayne
    @MrBelascoaranShayne 11 років тому

    Just continue training, buddy, dont worry. And i recommend the Gracie Combatives Curse, It has a lot of moves that someone unexperienced will try to do with you in a street fight, like the head lock you mention, Its like all the street basics of Gracie jiujitsu but very well explained.

  • @alexanderhranov1534
    @alexanderhranov1534 11 років тому

    Thank you Gracie.

  • @godhandinfamous
    @godhandinfamous 11 років тому

    Thanks Ryron!

  • @iansinclair6256
    @iansinclair6256 8 років тому

    This has to be one of the best video's you have made. Thank you. As a white belt, I appreciate the advice.

  • @CariveProductions
    @CariveProductions 11 років тому

    Brilliant philosophy lesson. Thanks Ryron

  • @Acemanofspades22
    @Acemanofspades22 11 років тому

    This is awesome! I will start doing this as much as possible!

  • @LiveGrappling
    @LiveGrappling 10 років тому

    Thank you for sharing your wisdom

  • @IainMcMullen93
    @IainMcMullen93 11 років тому

    I feel like the reverse is also important.
    When you take the mount or the side mount, don't rush to go for the submission, chill and work on your control.

  • @TyHatfield
    @TyHatfield 9 років тому

    I don't care if I an anyplace. I finish it no matter what and where. I had a guy talking to me exactly about that, he was like what do you do here. I was like "I win" that is that....
    Called doing over and over and over.... gaining enlightenment :) thanks brother for sharing

  • @mowgli123456789
    @mowgli123456789 11 років тому

    ive been training for about 7 months. This has just started making sense to me recently :)
    This video now makes a lot of sense to now :)

  • @Jeroen1971GSXR
    @Jeroen1971GSXR 11 років тому

    Sure makes sense. Thanks for the lesson!

  • @michaelainsworth8645
    @michaelainsworth8645 11 років тому

    man... this makes so much since!

  • @dc1976dc
    @dc1976dc 11 років тому

    This is totaly true I believe in the reel in keeping it reel I tell my students that defense is key in frustrating the top guy and then working your game. I agree with not fearing anything but that only comes from understanding whats going on whether your on your back or on top. Make the best out of everything and say thank you if you get tapped.

  • @caiatabalipa
    @caiatabalipa 10 років тому +1

    One of the bests advices!

  • @rahowhero
    @rahowhero 11 років тому

    ignore the strength lifting aspect, and concentrate on timing and messing your opponents centre of gravity. ie when his momentum is moving forward (after say u duck /avoid his lunge) and his legs cross (small base) , that is the time to hit

  • @VelhaGuardaTricolor
    @VelhaGuardaTricolor 10 років тому

    a TRUE MASTER! Thank you very very much Ryron! Thank you Helio!

  • @adampic126
    @adampic126 11 років тому

    KeepItPlayful everyday!!

  • @fookonhong2880
    @fookonhong2880 11 років тому

    despite some of the voices that are eager to disprove you, but i do grasp the principle u r conveying... alot of ppl are "misunderstanding" the point of this video... its not that escape at the soonest possible time is not impt, but rather its more about picking the "right" time, investing your energy at the "right" time, and using energy most efficiently...

  • @SuperTonganninja
    @SuperTonganninja 11 років тому

    thanks for the knowledge, Sir ! i understand what ur talking about ! Learning from ur defeats/Submission

  • @johnthree1611
    @johnthree1611 Місяць тому

    I'm 11 minutes into the video, as I post this comment. I've been doing jiujitsu for three months in around seven days. I was constantly taught and pushed to shrimp, and bridge out, whenever someone got on top of me. I really sucked at doing it, and couldn't get people off of me. I realized that I was claustrophobic, and wanted to fix that feeling. So I began embracing people smothering me, without freaking out. People began to tell me that I am free to tap, if I felt uncomfortable, and called me tough. I kept embracing being smothered, and only bridged, and shrimped, when I saw the possibility of getting the person off of me. I also made myself be patient, and worked on framing, and getting my arms and legs in better positions. People are telling me that I've become much better at jiujitsu, and I'm advancing quickly. I also embraced closed guard, and became good at that, and people told me that it's rare for people to embrace being on the bottom. I became so good at closed guard, that no one would allow me to get into closed guard, so I began embracing the top and side mounts, and have become much better at those things. I totally embrace this mentality that a person should learn to not be afraid while being mounted, because it appears to be paying off for me, as I've only been doing jiujitsu for three months. Embracing the bottom position was totally against what my professor, and all the teachers were telling me, but I'm the type of person who is strategic, and wants to get rid of my weaknesses, and will take some pain and agony to get there.

  • @Gyubriel
    @Gyubriel 9 років тому +8

    I love this lesson

  • @shinheeyi
    @shinheeyi 10 років тому

    Gee at the moment that's what I am stuck at. When I rolling with higher level I feel like I am dummy on the battom but looks like it ok as I am learning something.

  • @chadmakinano3310
    @chadmakinano3310 4 роки тому +1

    I love this... that's exactly how I think...I was rolling against a high level Black belt and survived the round (5 minutes), best praise ever, he said "great defense". I was a 2 stripe purple at the time. In my opinion, it's better to survive against everyone than to tap everyone.

    • @cunn1n6ham
      @cunn1n6ham 2 роки тому

      If you can stay calm under the onslaught of a BJJ black belt think how much control and chill you’d have against an untrained aggressor….99.5% of untrained would get dismantled. BJJ is so great

  • @aznfoo108
    @aznfoo108 2 роки тому

    That thumbnail pic though!, Kron and Ryron rolling ??. Kron was my sensei before he moved to montana, is there a clip of that roll?

  • @DFMACK
    @DFMACK 10 років тому +1

    I think this advice is way deeper than you are giving it credit for. I suspect that you didn't watch the whole thing. I hope you give it a chance and watch the whole thing again.