Why DC over Marvel?
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Hard not to agree, valid argument
ngl he have a point
@@khiroisreal true true
*Factual argument
Nope.
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I feel like this is why people love Spidey and Batman so much. Because you can relate to the darkness that Batman feels, or more accurately even the depression he feels and the drive to make change, and you’re inspired by the action he takes and resolve he has. With Spidey hes relatable for reasons we all understand, and he inspires you to take great responsibility with the power youre given.
How do you relate to a multi billionaire that went through immense pain and decided to sacrifice his life into darkness for a vague purpose?
I do feel inspired by him, certainly not "relatable".
@@pantelisdalezios811 i dont relate to him as multi billionaire the same way I dont relate to a dude with spider powers that saves lives. I relate to him because he uses the pain from his traumatic experiences to strive to become an ideal.
@@pantelisdalezios811 and vague? What? His mission is to bring down crime in gotham. His purpose is pretty definite.
@Mom Matthew He didnt really say anything particularly negative or positive about either charaacters mentioned. he just asked how relatability works with the character in question
@@pantelisdalezios811 people dont relate with the concept of the character, but the things they go through and the decisions they have to make. Batman's constant war against his guilt, grieving, etc. make him quite relatable as everyone experiences or will experience such tragedies and have gone through the journey of overcoming them. His moral values, such as his strong sense of justice and determination to net let a single soul in gotham city experience the loss that shifted the course of his life also appeals to comparatively smaller audiences that share this sense of justice. the way you describe him can be applied to any character. as HerbaSchmurba already demonstrated
Superman “sitting” on a cloud is such a boss picture
That's from the one where he wanted to find out what would happen if he dropped a dook from a hundred miles straight up
The DCEU also murdered their logic
Superman legacy
Ikr, it looked so cool!
It’s weird, canonically he’s just hovering in mid-air while perfectly posing. Do you think he gets strained doing that?
I would say Spider-Man fulfills both roles. He's very relatable and at the same time inspiring because he goes through what we do and still keeps moving forward despite how hard the world hits him.
Hence why he's often held as a sort of paragon of influence even within continuity lol
Id say Superman fufills a similar role on the DC side of things. Hes one of the most human superheroes of all time, that's why he is still top three in terms of popularity
@@Yes-yx6uc yeah that is true...but recently there is a trend of Evil superman plus Superman is god-like in power too
I need to find a spider fast, I am gonna spider man!!!!!!!!
@@pizzaman3031 Those evil Supermen have been around for ages now, and their purpose is to show what it would be like if Superman's mindset wasn't the one we look up to him for. Furthermore, having incredible power makes it all the more inspiring when he chooses to be human and fight for a better tomorrow, when he could easily exploit that power.
It’s inspiring seeing Superman reborn and hearing both his alien and human father speak to him about how he’s humanity’s hope, it’s also inspiring seeing Batman being inspired by Superman and looking to fix his error by uniting the JL
Perfect opinion. When I got older, Superman turned into my favorite hero (young me always thought of him as silly), he is the greatest example of a superhero simply because of his drive to make the world a better place and inspire others, he's not there just to fight crime or punish (and avenge), he's there because he can see the best in everyone and want to make people know they can be this best
To be honest if he just introduced Kryptonian tech into Earth and helped the species by way of the Kryptonian computer he could definitely help the Earth with A LOT of problems, the first being they would finally get a planetary defense that was worth it, becauze Aliens are there every other week, but he sees Earth as us needing to do it while hes a guiding hand.
nah he silly 😜
@thefunnymofo7857 I don't think humanity would be ready for kryptonian tech. Just look at other alien tech or even or own in the comics (and status quo is god they wouldn't make this types of change in comics). Even in the real world nowadays, we aren't responsible with our modern inventions, and there's more, government and corporations (I wouldn't trust them to come ten feet close of alien tech)
@@thefunnymofo7857 that's him giving handouts now.... instead he's supposed to teach you how to fish, not give you fish.i dunno if you'll get anything from that analogy
@@DeadPixel_ cringe emoji lol
Neither Marvel or DC are superior to one another. Both are filled with phenomenal and iconic storylines and characters as well as an extravagant amount of controversies, continuity errors and incohesive plots. Anyone arguing about which is better needs to realise this.
They do realize that but they can still prefer one over the other? and you can’t say Neither are superior because it’s subjective
But they always tried to outdone each other.
@@brody5711 yeah
except the fact disney popped off Marvel so hard it broke the standards for superhero films
@@motivation7982 I'm talking about comics. I rarely talk about comic book movies.
The best way to write super hero movies is that to read the source material.
I think you would need to understand the message of the material E.G Batman is Described as a demon to the public and Symbol of Fear to criminal but he is a Man and will never break his Code never kill because he will be one more criminal killing others innocent or not Robert Pattersion Batman Ask important question People don't need Fear or a protector they need hope and the only way he could do that is with bruce wayne not Batman A beacon of Light not darkness Mercy and Compassion not from a demon but a man ❤
@@neilhannan7525 how can you claim to understand the source material if you refer to Batman as "a demon to the public?" Batman gives HOPE to the public and FEAR to the criminals.
Real
So none of the MCU writers qualify ? Good to know
@@whysosnappy8016 the old writers can
The best thing about superheroes (even anti heroes to a degree) is that every one of them can be inspiring in unique ways to people regardless of their origin. DC and Marvel do this fantastically with showing the power of inner potential and character and pursuing amazing ideals like kindness or compassion, or overcoming your own evils.
I believe both Marvel AND DC are made to relate and inspire people with these stories
well it's worked (I hope) for almost 100 years let's see if they can do 100 more.@@jamestolbert1856
DC > Marvel (I am more of a Marvel fan because of Thanos, Magneto, and Dr Doom)
As a Marvel fan, I admit DCEU has more potential than MCU but Warner Brothers ruined it. Not only DC is better than Marvel in terms of power scaling and cosmology, obviously with more powerful characters. DC is also better than Marvel and also in terms of potential, being more popular (Batman is the most popular superhero, with Superman second, and Spider-Man third), better characters, writing, stories, movies, animations, shows / tv series, cartoons, and comics, or basically anything else.
I've always seen DC and Marvel as equals, despite going with different philosophies of what it means to be a hero. DC tend to focus on the natural result of someone or something being deities amongst mortals or someone who stands above humanity or at least the concept of it, both good and evil. Marvel on the other hand, tends to look at powers and abilities one have as a gift or a curse, and the responsibilities that come with the package, and what consequences one can have on those close to you. They both have these qualities, but one franchise focus on their main aspect than the other, which isn't bad, but rather interesting. They take different paths to similar ideas. Even with how they manage to organize connections between characters, especially with teams, like the Justice League, Teen Titans, The Avengers, The New Warriors, and so on, and how they deal with other, and their perspective of the morality of being someone who holds the value of being a hero.@@codeck4442
In india only kid see superheroes. Super heroes is so childish lol
The Batman movie was truly inspiring and we hope to see more of the same from DC
Lies again? DC Marvel Black White
I personally prefer the stories, and I love how, yes we aren’t always able to relate to characters, but we see very human aspects in them. For me, I love the Flash because he is like the perfect sci-fi hero, manipulating time and space. In the rebirth comics, he was very dependent on his powers leading to his own isolation and selfishness which he works on over time
Facts, that’s why I loved The Batman, by the end of the movie it showed how Batman need to be the symbol to inspire people to hope and not just be a agent of vengeance, May Reeves was cooking like crazy with that one
I think Marvel characters can inspire too because of the fact that they are relatable. Like Peter Parker is just a student (like his fans) that struggles, who got the chance to do good and he did. But also someone like Batman is an orphan who made himself a hero.
I think both companies have great inspiring heroes when you think of it that way.
Maybe teenage Peter Parker but not adult Pete. After that stage in his life he’s just the writers’ punching bag
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Goddamnit, I hate to completely agree, out of topic, but it’s so sad to see Peter Parker being tortured and beat up mentally in every single modern comic. At this point he’s, in your own words; The writer’s punching bag.
@@notproductiveproductions3504 isn't that even more inspiring tho? Cause in most of the storyline even after his life becoming shittier than a diarrhea patient's toilet, he still keeps doing his duty of being Spiderman
@@AryanSingh-yy9mw there’s a universe where the people of New York forced him into retirement just cuz Green Goblin told them he’s fake
@@AryanSingh-yy9mw Nah that's just bullshit. Spider-Man is so popular for being relatable, but life isn't JUST miserable, I find it way more inspiring that a guy who grew up with so much misfortune didn't let that break him and instead saved others who were in desperate need, simultaneously burning some bridges along the inevitable way, but keeping his head up until he eventually grew up into healthier life with MJ as his wife.
Idc what anyone says, current Spider-Man comics aren't canon, idc, Paul doesn't exist. Spider-Verse's Peter B. Parker is the 616 version, Paul is Mephisto, there
I think for some part of DCEU, Zack Snyder really nailed that "inspiring" feel, like in MoS, Wonder Woman (I think he has some influence in this film), and Zack Snyder Justice League.
On the other hand, James Gunn excels on the relatable part, as proven in GotG, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker.
Spot on. Good characters come in two types: relatable and admirable. Relatable characters are usually riddled with flaws. They start out imperfect and then continue to grow throughout the story. They inspire people by saying that you can change and better yourself too. On the other hand are admirable characters like James Bond, Superman, or even Katniss Everdeen. We don't learn from these characters by seeing how they change; we learn by seeing them as a role model. I prefer the admirable character more than relatable since they're almost always more badass.
I mean I dunno, Spider Man lifting an entire building over himself was pretty inspiring
Just don’t look at his current Spider Man comic
Spider-man is basically the exception to this, like he is the only character that can work outside of marvel completely and doesn't really need other marvel characters to tell his story
Spider-man is one of the character that have both things that we love . Relatability and admiration, the bro is broke asfuck but still would save peoples lifes KNOWING that he can have a good life ahead if he just dont bother .
It counts almost nothing compared to how many times the writers try to screw him up, just to make him feel relatable.
nah that’s relatable af
You've earned yourself a subscriber bro .
Let's keep DC alive
When Batman shot a gun I was done with the whole thing.
Just hearing of batman shooting, I'm pissed off now
Dark knight rises....?
@@juicystrange2541 Affleck Batman
@@jayceverse yeah that's what I'm saying
@@jayceverse blame Zack not affleck
I never looked at it like that, but you’re giving me a new perspective
Surely I relate to a billionaire, a playboy and the man who flyies in a metal suite
Yes
Better than spiderman
That's one way to put it I used to love marvel and I still do but once I picked up the Batman long Halloween comic I fell in love with his character because he uses his money for the weak and defenseless people of Gotham and he always does what's right even if it comes at a cost for him the DC characters also have a message to share with everyone about little things but once you get inspired by some of them you'll eventually become a better person or maybe you won't but personally they all inspire to do what's right
That's heavily inconsistent
@@hammer-0 yeah ik
I recall hearing something like. Marvel is About men being gods.
DC is about God's, being men
Neither is correct so...
@@imaginaryking5276 no no he’s got a point
No you're absolutely right. I don't remember where I heard this...but the characters in The Justice League (again this could just me from some random ass comic book) are all based after Greek gods. Like they are almost an avatar of different gods. For example Aries is like The flash, Superman is like Hercules, Shazam is like Zeus. And so on. So potentially for a mythological standpoint it makes the characters waaay more interesting.
In a sense they are avatars of different gods. And that's pretty badass. 😅
@@jordanfelt5978 Flash as the avatar of Aries the God of War? I'd say he's the avatar of Hermes
@@johannsanne5281 yep yep, sorry that's what I meant to say. Hah
I love how Marvel and DC both have genuine respect for each other and encourage each other's creations whereas the fans are like rabid dogs because they couldn't find anything better to do.
True. I tend to stay clear of any Superman vs video comments
I don't love this... I hate this... I truly hate it...
@@narusas1222 eh, they're better than Batman fans on Vs arguments, lol
Same lmao. the fans foam over the mouth like rabid dogs fr.
@@narusas1222 Still better than majority of the batman vs arguments spamming pretime 1 millions times a day.
I though Zack Snyder's movies were the most inspiring super hero movies made so far. People just didn't open their eyes for the underlying message because "batman use gun bad, superman go evil bad, superman no red undies bad, batman Martha bad"
Agree
There are times, where killing is necessary, even in the DC universe. Especially when you consider the foes many of them fight simply cannot be contained or appropriately punished commensurate to whatever crime they might have done. If anything, DC heroes knowing when to do such extreme actions impresses me more than not.
He actually could have just hit him in the balls. That would have made zod close his eyes and stopped.
(Countine blow if nessicary)
It honestly would have been the most human (hilarious) way to stop.
Which works for Superman.( But not for Snyder)
Marvel - take a page out their book.
DC - makes you want to write your own book.
Catwoman octopus porn
Literally irrelevant but okay lmao
For me personally, this is absolutely true. Dc made me want to become a comic book writer when I grow up
Hope James Gunn does this right thing.
I think he can do it because there’s really no one else doing it better right now. GOTG are some of the best marvel movies & his version of SS is way better than the original
He is the chosen one... He will bring balance to the Comic Book Movie genre...
@@The.Usurper hes a pedo
@@allenmorales1019 GotG and SS were terrible. He doesn’t have any respect for the source material
@@night6724 Guardians of the Galaxy is goated! What the fuck are you talking about?!
I think there’s inspiration in relatability. Seeing similarities in someone who’s so strong motivates you to grow to be like them. With DC there’s inspiration but for a lot of people they don’t even see resemblance in themselves to that person creating a wall which minimizes there inspiration
You could say that by being relatable, you could inspire more, because then it will be easier for other people to be better as well
John Williams Superman theme is the best and most iconic superhero music.
I think a similar point could be made that when someone you relate with pushes through a tough situation it makes you feel like you can too
My favorite thing about DC is the characters are more in the gray area when it comes to their stories. Like in the Peacemaker series
Not really . Batman , Superman , Wonder Woman , Flash , GL , Aquaman , Nightwing etc aren't morally gray .
I think Initial DCEU movies were putting those heroes in a relatively realistic scenarios and situations where the hero has to take harsh steps. Like Henry said, "It doesn't matter whether he made a mistake or took a life but what matters is how he grows out of it" which I think Supes and Bats did
Nah, they most def did not. That's why the dceu is ending, taking a life mattered
@@trim8602 That's why I said initial movies because they did fuck up with Josstice League and many movies that came after it. Also think of the alternative to that scene, 4 people would be sliced in half if he didn't kill him and it was dude's second or third day as Supes.
@@jayantrajotya4020 Superman would've rather take the damage than kill. To me that was actually the easy way out
@@trim8602 Bruh.... it was the family that was going to get killed not Superman
Grow out of what? Superman was a psycho in the Snyder Cut and mutilated Steppenwolf.
That's actually exactly why Batman is my favorite DC character, and part of why Spider-man is my favorite superhero ever.
Superman snapping snapping Zod's neck is hella relatable because he's trying to save his home. He was even screaming at Zod to stop because he clearly didn't want to do it but he had no choice. I would've done the same thing to protect my loved ones. It was also a very grounded take on the character, which is why I say Man of Steel is a great Superman film.
People just love saying that to take a crap at the movie. And if people justify by saying the same thing you said then they simply say "yeah it was bad writing, why write that stuff". People still don't realize that Man of Steel Superman is grounded and shows that what can happen if Superman like person exists in the real world.
For me It was the best Superhero movie.
Fr bro
I agree, Superman snapping Zod's neck did not bother me at all.. as in the comics Superman did kill Zod with kryptonite I believe. I took that as a way of him killing someone and then basically telling himself he will never do it again and then have his moral of not killing. I didn't like how he killed the terrorist in Superman v Batman.. kinda not his style after man of steel movie
Or he could've simply turn his head
He actually could have just hit him in the balls. That would have made zod close his eyes and stopped.
(Countine blow if nessicary)
It honestly would have been the most human (hilarious) way to stop.
Which works for Superman.
When Batman realized Superman was not a villain in Batman Vs. Superman, it inspired him to stop branding the worst criminals and relieved him of whatever disenfranchised elements had formed within him over the 25 years he had been Batman.
Supetman wasn't exactly jumping for joy when he snapped Zod's neck, there was a want to put him in a moral quandary next to where he was already in a moral quandary over doubt within himself and wanting to help people.
Funnier still, Superman effectively killed Zod and his two minions in the 2nd Richard Donner movie just as Batman killed in his first four movies, but all those get forgiven somehow.
The point he’s tryna make is it shouldn’t have even been shown lol superman is not supposed to kill zod or the guy in the desert ect. Batman is not suppose to be mowing down guys with fucking machine guns like do you even hear yourself lol.
@@Bluebeetle1824 I hear myself perfectly well. It's you that apparently didn't read all of my post.
Snyder's films are always treated like pariahs for "doing the wrong thing narratively" with these characters and yet:
- Batman repeatedly murdered criminals in the first two Tim Burton movies and the two Joel Schumacher movies.
- Superman killed characters in the 2nd Richard Donner movie and the 4th Christopher Reeve movie.
Fans forgive those movies for doing the very things they've put Snyder's movies down for.
If all of the live action movies were held to the same regard, then there has never been a truly good live action adaptation of these characters, unless you count the George Reeves or Adam West versions of these characters.
These criminal minions put themselves in harm's way and a few are probably going to get killed or crippled. If you and others can't get over that yet wanna preach at people I don't know what to tell you outside I've gotten tired of being called stupid for liking Snyder's movies often enough, I kinda hope DC goes belly up financially.
As far as wanting something at least a little serious from a DC Comics movie, I don't particularly want Krypto in a Superman movie.
But hey, keep playing the hypocrite's card and preaching about holding one director's set of movies about a given group of characters to a certain standard while ignoring where past movies break your argument.
Apparently according to you, it was okay for Batman to use his car as a weaponized drone to kill off a group of bad guys protecting the Axis Chemical Plant in the 1989 movie, or send the Penguin falling into a vat of toxic waste in the sequel.
@@davidcatlett4052 listen the fact is Zack did not create Superman so it’s not his right to change superman arc and personality which is why he failed
@@Bluebeetle1824 Actually they've changed Superman a fair bit from when he was first created. He literally could only leap tall buildings in a single bound in the first comics, not just completely fly over everything. Heck, Superman even threw a criminal hundreds of miles killing him.
And that's beside where Batman actually used guns a lot at first in his comics.
But hey, keep obsessing over Snyder. Apparently to you, those are the only movies ever made about the characters. 🙄
You're welcome for the free history lessons I'm teaching you by the way.
If James Gunn goes too goofy with these characters, I'm just fine with turning up my nose to it and moving on to something else.
@@davidcatlett4052you need to read more carefully. I said personality and arc not his abilities lol. And Gunn gonna succeed cuz he uses the source material
I completely agree. What's funny for me is, while I prefer DC, Marvel actually has my favorite comic character, that being Spider-Man. But DC has a lot more characters I prefer overall.
exact same for me, but i prefer star wars over everything lol 😅
I think its because in a way spider man is the most DC(modern version) hero among marvel heroes because of his devotion to saving lives from street muggers to supervillains and aliens just like dc heroes are. Marvel heroes are like structualized into different groups dealing with different problems
Opposite for me. Batman is my favorite comic character, but I like/know more Marvel characters overall. 😂
For me it's the reverse, my favorite hero is Batman, but I think I like the Marvel characters overall.
Same thing for me, I prefer dc but my favorite characters are Wolverine and blade lmao
I agree. Except, it did feel relatable when superman snapped zod's neck. He didn't do it out of cold blood or apathy like most of the marvel heroes. He did it out of desperation and immediately felt sorrow for it. In contrast, Christopher reeve superman just threw Zod in a pit with a smile and called it a day. And Michael Keaton's batman has one of the highest kill counts 😅
i think thats also why the nolan trilogy worked so well they’re very inspirational
You just said everything I didn’t know how to put into words 🙏🏼
I do personally think both DC and Marvel are equal to me and though I do love Marvel characters and their stories I still also love DC characters and there stories, and with how James Gunn has proven he is a big fan of comics and these characters and their legacy so Im incredibly hopeful and excited for what the future of the DCU will look like and for the future of the MCU
I completely agree DC is so underrated
The live action movies are, the rest is extremely well rated
DC and Marvel are Modern Day Greek Mythology Think of that
Marvel characters are Mortals gifted or cursed with Superpowers Spiderman' Iron Man Captain America and more heroes like Thesus Persus and Hercules
While in the DC it's Gods living amoung Mortals Batman Being represent of Hades' Wonder Woman Athena Flash Hermes and More
Both of Have they Strengths and Both have their weaknesses.
I mean not really. They reached their natural endpoint in the 40s, but censorship brought them back from the dead.
Marvel has Hercules too and in general explain norse mythology better than how DC explains Greek mythology.
The last Batman movie was actually really inspiring that’s why I loved it
You talking about the 2022 Batman movie? Yeah that one is inspiring
I personally find the relatability of the Marvel heroes to be the reason that they inspire me. Take someone like Spiderman who day after day, dons the mask despite knowing that life would be so much easier should he choose to simply, quit. The fact that Spiderman still continues to do the right thing despite the hardships inspires me to do the right thing as well.
I'm sure that if you can relate to someone and then you see that person rise above their own personal demons and do right, it can also inspire you to do the same
I was thinking that as soon as he made the distinction between the characters, had this exact opinion
I think Superman snapping Zod's neck was definitely inspiring and relatable. It's a hard dilemma when you're forced to choose between the lives of the many versus the lives of the few; in that moment he made a difficult decision to make himself a killer by saving lives who no one else could save. Compromising your morals or should I say Ideals for the greater good I think is inspiring.
A real inspiring option is finding that 3rd option, the S on his chest stands for hope, you bring that moral dilemma in the next movie when you already establish your Superman
@@jollyd.joestar3937 the audience already knows Superman. He's already established. The S stands for Hope but hope for what? Hope for a better world? Hope for tomorrow? Hope for the future. That family that Zod was going to laser to pieces wasn't going to have any of that if Superman didn't stop him. Virtuous people with clean hands stand on a platform that was built by people who dirty their hands to build that platform.
Bro said snapping a gods neck is relatable
@@jayjayball6543 making a hard choice that could compromise your morals in a moment of crisis to protect the greater good is relatable.
YES YES AND YES so glad to see someone agreed to superman's snapping zodd's neck. In that circumstance there is not that many option to choose from while holding zodd's head the quickest way to end his heat vision is to snap his neck.
I love DC for this exact reason, and hate how under utilized so much of the mythos built around it has become, and why I hate when people say that heroes who do good just for the sake of doing good are "bad" or "boring", because they miss the point of why those characters exist in the first place.
Marvel is a good reminder that no one is perfect. DC is a good reminder of why we all try to be in the first place. Not because we need to be perfect, but because we can rise above what anyone or anything else would expect us to be.
That's why some of the characters who are the most loved heroes of all, regardless of brand, are the ones who both inspire what it means to be a hero and why it's worth it, and also show how it's not an easy path for ANYONE, like Batman or Spider-Man.
I think they could learn a lot from each other, just like we can learn a lot from them.
I often think that if Marvel heroes lived in the same world as DC heroes, they'd probably be smaller scale than them, since they're like a mid point between the peaks of heroic ideals in DC, and the realities of daily life.
I could easily see one interaction crystal clear in my mind, where Spider-Man and Superman could just talk with each other, and bond over their shared ideals, where Clark could give Peter tips on how to manage the balance between family and hero work, and Peter would probably help Clark lighten up and not come across as stiff, the world's two favorite Red and Blue heroes standing next to each other would be a powerful image no matter what they were doing, I could even see Peter taking Clark to his favorite pizza place and just chatting about the good things in life, or even funnier, have them giving talks in schools to help the community, and have them both detect a crime in progress, only for Clark to resolve it in a matter of seconds and just have Pete drop a funny line about "And that kids, is why you stay in school-"
What makes a super hero fall on it's face flatter than anything, is when it misses the point of why they exist and what they truly mean.
Superman has inspired everyone, from that 21 year old in 2023 who struggled with constantly increasing pressure to grow in a chaotic and changing world, to kids in the 1940s who didn't know if the world as they knew it would end in war.
Anyone who doesn't have respect for that history and thinks that heroes are "childish things that need to be gritty and more mature to reflect the horrible realities of the real world" don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and should stay out of the super hero business.
Plenty of heroes face all the same nightmares that we do, maybe even more. The difference is, they choose to rise above it, and make things better for everyone, than being selfish and looking out for only themselves.
jeez... jaded much...
I agree with most of what you're saying... but this rejection of the gritty and realistic is really just you holding on to the image of what the world and your heroes once were... there is no reason why heroes can't be realistic and still inspirational... it's makes them even more inspirational when the struggles they rise above are struggles that we recognize... what value does superman's triumph hold of Superman is the only character that can triumph in that situation can you really be inspired by someone winning a battle they could never really lose... there's a reason why DC comics today are more focused on relatability... why they go out of their way to explain the convictions that make heroes do what they do... saying that people who want their heroes grittier and more realistic have no understanding of comics is just gate keeping bullshvt...
@@joshuaohuka7719 I don't think you understood my point. I'm saying the exact same thing, I'm not gatekeeping. I like darker and grittier stories just as much as the next person, but my issue is with a group of people who believe that should be the ONLY flavor of comics, at the expense of character growth and integrity. I think we need more stories where heroes are still allowed to be heroic in dark and gritty situations.
The point of Batman and the Joker for example, has never been that they're the same, it's that Joker believes that anyone could be one horrible event from being just like him, Batman's argument, is repeatedly proving him wrong, and showing that even in the darkest of nights, we can still CHOOSE to be better. The issue I have is that people are starting to believe more and more that the villains are the ones who are right, the world itself is becoming more jaded, and as such, people are starting to ridicule things they view as optimistic and idealistic, they say things like "Superman is a boring, overpowered hero", and it misses the point of those "idealistic" characters.
People start becoming bitter and confrontational, they start slipping into those "darker" aspects and even glorifying them because, if we're being honest, the world can be quite shit and unfair at times.
But that's what I love about heroes, they stare into that abyss on a daily basis, and they don't let it change or corrupt them.
What makes characters like Batman and Superman special to me, isn't even their abilities or what they can do, it's their humanity that so often gets forgotten because of how "simple" it is.
It's the little things, like Batman comforting a dying child by just being there for them, or Superman stopping to talk to a suicidal teen on top of a building, and treating them like they're the only thing that matters in the entire city to him for that one moment.
So no, I don't have an issue with "darker and grittier comics", I have an issue with writers and people who think that in the face of the genuine worst that the world has to offer, that a hero would break, or give up, or become jaded, or become radicalized.
There's nothing wrong with a hero who has weaknesses, but it's getting up and pushing forward for the sake of others that makes them a hero in the first place.
That's why heroes like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man, stand for Justice, Hope, and Responsibility. Because in a world that can be as dark as theirs, they still know that it's the best they could possibly do.
@@Dmobley9901 well... I can hardly argue with any of that... And you're right... I really didn't get what you were saying... My apologies... I will say though... That I think some times the unattainable nature of the ideals that heroes pursue can seem out of touch for certain people... I find I respect Hal Jordan's battle against great more BECAUSE he's succumbed to parallax before... I think the heroes feel less human the more they hold on to their ideals sometimes... I'm not one of those fans who thinks Batman should kill of his rogues gallery... That's not what Batman is... But it's hard to say that to someone like Clown hunter whose parents died after Batman specifically promised to do something about the Joker... I think maybe comics should do a little more to explain the why of the struggle cause as you said... the world can be a pretty unfair place... And it's hard sometimes to get behind the people who keep fighting for that fairness for some people...
Forcing Dark Grittiness on every comic character will always be a very dumb idea though...
@@joshuaohuka7719 I know it's not really my place, but you doing okay?
Stop waffling
The one thing I actually dislike from marvel is how too many of the characters come off as geniuses and are good at everything they do, it's just a little annoying to me. DC has more relatable/ likable characters to me. I like both DC and marvel, I hope DC reboot we can finally get constant good DC movies
Marvel seems to have a lot of characters I just don't care about. Most the avengers really. I enjoy Spiderman, and the X-Men, but that's about it.
Marvel deals with more deeper topics like the mutuans who are hated by society which is about racism towards mutants.
You say that like DC hasn't given batman major plot armor and high levels of intellect, at least with Marvel we have more grounded characters like punisher and Daredevil who don't aren't dealing with cosmic threats and stick to their true nature as they are humans while someone like Batman who is only human can prep and defeat the entire justice league and has been capable of hurting cosmic threats despite being a normal man.
I 100% agree with you my man
@@Mannyhdz0052you say that like marvel didn’t give iron man major plot armor and high levels of intellect. No one asked you to compare both universes, they’re both really good and that’s it. Plot armor or not, geniuses or not they’re both masterpieces
This is such a basic argument people use over and over that they got from some Facebook post because they thought it sounded deep. There are plenty of inspirational Marvel characters and relatable DC characters.
Fr. Many comic writers and movie makers are both same in marvel and dc
Thanks that actually helped me identify my own thoughts 😅
I got bored of relatability
That's true, I've always been inspirado by Batman by how he's become who he is with all the work he has done
Duee thought Superman was going to let Zod kills those people ☠️☠️
This is probably the best take I’ve heard on this subject. For me personally I think the Marvel universe still has pretty inspiring heroes though because of their relatable struggles, but I totally get why someone would get inspired by the DC heroes.
I would have completely disagreed with you when I was a kid. But as an adult I realize that you're completely right. Relatable superheroes may be maximumly good for kids, but as an adult I love my superheroes to be maximumly powerful.
Marvel makes a character with metahuman skill growth: story of a guy struggling with success
DC makes a character with metahuman skill growth: guy who knows his immeasurable potential and trains it out of obligation
I preferre DC because its what i grew up with, the flash show and his comics. Hes whimsical, but can be serious. Also i like the darker stories over marvels lighter and more kid friendly side.
Daredevil, punisher, iron man demon in a bottle, and many more.
Marvel characters deal with some heavy stuff every now and then.
I think overall I like both but my favorites tend to be dc characters
This is one of the biggest caps I’ve seen in a bit. As someone who is in the comic community I hear people blab on and on how “Batman is relatable, Flash is, Superman, Martin Manhunter, etc.” they aren’t just inspirational they are relatable as well. Marvel is also very inspirational. There’s a reason why Spider-Man is one of the top 3 most loved characters. He’s not just relatable his motivation to be good no matter what is inspirational. He could take his powers and kill everyone in his path even though who disagree with his public image but he doesn’t. He lives a stoic lifestyle and is poor majority of the time. He is definitely inspiring seeing how he makes it work even though he knows he can do more than just be a hero
I feel like any character can be inspiring to someone. But only a few characters are relatable.
There's honestly nothing more inspiring than Spiderman let's be real
Flash.....
@Michael Demiurgos literally my second option after spiderman so makes sense
For me, Marvel characters are 10x more inspiring than DC characters. I don't get inspired by characters like Batman simply because of how rude & strict he is. The only DC characters I find inspiring are characters like The Flash (Barry Allen), Saint "Bro' Dee" Walker, Green Lantern (Harold "Hal" Jordan), Green/White Lantern (Kyle Rayner), Booster Gold, Robin (Damian Wayne) and Nightwing (Richard "Dick" Grayson). But that's only seven out of thousands of DC characters. However, I don't relate to characters like Cosmic Ghost Rider or Professor X from Marvel Comics, but I find characters like them inspiring. The characters I find inspiring are Nova (Richard Rider), Darkhawk (Christopher Powell), Silver Surfer (Norrin Radd), Cosmic Ghost Rider (Frank Castle), Star-Lord (Peter Quill), Nightcrawler (Kurt Wagner), Cyclops (Scott Summers), Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Cable (Nathan Summers), Deadpool (Wade Wilson), Professor X (Charles Xavier), and alot more. Of course, even if I extend it, it's only a few (about 40-60 characters) out of thousands. The DC related characters I find inspiring the most is characters from The Electromagnetic Spectrum (Green, Blue, Violet, ect Lanterns), The Flash family and Batman's children, while the Marvel related characters I find inspiring the most are literally almost all characters with a great story & character development.
Now I'm not saying I don't agree with you or your opinion sucks, I'm just saying that Marvel has more inspiring characters than DC.
What DC Comics got better than Marvel Comics, because of their storyline & plot. While what Marvel Comics got better than DC Comics, is their characters & development.
I must say there is no superior or inferior one of the two.
Finding Ghost Rider more inspirational than Batman really says that u only know Batman off the Arkham games
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I hate Ghost Rider, he's like shit.
I said COSMIC Ghost Rider, a totally different guy with a totally different personality (with a totally different backstory and totally different morality). Assuming that COSMIC Ghost Rider is just the same guy as Ghost Rider really says you only watch the GR movies...
@@AMercenary...Withaheart damn… bro got shut up
Dc has way more inspiring characters in my opinion
@@ASS-tb3mqI like Ghostrider more than batman because he doesn't recruit kids and also didn't batman get one of the Robin killed funny how batman is never held responsible. John Blaze at least put his soul on the line to save his father.
Thats not true. Marvel characters are as inspiring if not more than dc characters. You really think im gonna be more inspired by a non human beast like superman, than a human like tony stark developing the ironman suit and fighting against armies of space aliens.
Their speech and priorities and attitude are really different
@@sikliost That doesnt mean you cant be inspired by both, and it doesnt mean that both cant be relatable.
sorry
@@jellyfish7327 what
Yes. Because, at the end of the day, Clark is a guy raised in a normal house by normal parents, has a normal job and married a normal woman. He is just a guy trying to do the right thing. While Tony is an egotistical and arrogant jerk who sees himself as a god, above anyone else.
You explained this perfectly. It’s exactly why I prefer DC over Marvel.
I agree but I will say that the warehouse scene in BvS was one of the best fight scenes in cinema history
did DC pay this channel to promote or marketing in media??
I like it when a hero could both be relatable, but also inspiring, feels weird why they can’t be both.
Well the relatability of marvel characters can also inspire people that no matter what situation your in there is always the bright side of it.
I love DC just cause they have more dark and compelling stories while I find marvel stories to be more light hearted
Marvel is not lighthearted read demon in a bottle or kraven’s last hunt
Im 2005+ kid and i must say i only started watching dc animated shows/movies during my teenage years and eventually i get sucked into watching all of it, as i get older i liked dc more than mcu
Inspiration is why people love Spider-Man, he never stops even when everyone is against him.
I agree but they aren’t always mutually exclusive and often the things that can inspire you most are things you can relate to!
Honestly W, you can prefer either one. I grew up with the MCU but some of my favorite heroes are from DC and I loved the flash specifically. (As you can see from my pfp 😅) Your defining of the two companies is spot on
I like/love both DC and Marvel equally 🙂👍💙❤️
Even as a Marvel fan myself, I always found DC characters to be even more inspirational, and I find it cool how they’re also making Batman and even Superman relatable too while still keeping them in that inspirational light.
I will say in Batman v superman it was pretty inspiring in a way when the news broadcasts about superman while he saves countless people from danger
Damn nice! So much effort. I just now made a Marvel vs DC fanmade trailer mix (have a look if you want), but this took surely way less effort than your vid. Thumbs up! :) ......
Fan of both DC and Marvel 🗿🍷
Awesome thoughts!
I feel like one of the main reasons i prefer DC is the fact that I feel that the struggles the chracters go through are more relatable because the struggles are more human and real. Some if not most of the struggles boil down to the character trying to be human. DC is gods among men and Marvel is more men among gods. And from a narrative stand point its easier to relate to a god trying to be human than it is a human trying to be godly. Plus a lot of the villains in DC even have some level of understanding such as Mr. Freeze, or even in justice league unlimited with Flash talking to Trickster, you see an actual heart to heart moment between to humans with one struggling with something any viewer could be going through.
The thing is that when Superman cracks Zod's neck, he understands that is true enemy is himself and he gotta keep control. That's inspiring
Never cried after watching a UA-cam short. Thanks.
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It's interesting you say that, because I feel inspired by the like's of Captain American (do what's right, regardless), Iron Man (think before you do, then do it well), and DareDevil (don't fear your handicaps; embrace them; conquer them; then realize their asset) than I do anyone from DC.
That being said, turning power into humility and trauma into virtue (Supe's and Bat's) is quite inspiring.
Your statement is 100% accurate. 👍🏾👍🏾 Keep up the great content 💯
*For me* (I had to put that in bold because people don’t know how opinions work these days), growing up as a Marvel kid, I’d say Marvel has its share of doing both.
Take a character like Spider-Man. To me, he’s mostly relatable, in the sense that he wasn’t always the guy that got the girl, and as Peter Parker he is a young man trying to find his way. Where the inspiration comes in is that, he always strive to be a better man. He fights for those that are seen as vulnerable and he tends to hold himself responsible, just as his uncles mantra wishes for him to do. When it comes to his enemies, he isn’t always the strongest but sometimes in a fight, it isn’t about your physical strength or coming up with contingency plans but having the heart and endurance to keep going. To me, nothing is more inspirational than that.
I personally prefer Marvel, because their heroes are indeed relatable, but at the same time, they’re pushing to be something more- I recall the ‘motto’ for Spider-Man PS4 “be greater”. They’re humans, but they’re trying to be more, and I feel for that reason Marvel is better. Their characters are grounded yet inspiring at the same time. Except Spider-Man comics right now… screw Paul, and screw what the editors are smoking…
I personally like to be inspired but being realistic to relate to something feels better and that’s what you are gravitated to and that’s why I prefer marvel even tho I love DC. But I prefer to relate to something like even the scarlet witch is a very relatable character through her pain and her grief and all she been through.
I try and consume media that is far away from me as I already experience certain experiences and I want things which can inspire me and make me just feel good
That’s a valid reason. For me, I grew up mostly watching Marvel TV shows and movies way much more often than DC shows and movies so I grew attached to liking Marvel properties a lot but I got into DC stuff after high school and I love both DC and Marvel.
Damn bruh, never thought of that. I like DC more than Marvel. I never could describe why, i always thought it was because DC characters feel Godlike vs Marvel but you helped me realize it's because they do inspire me more. Superman who has the strength to take anything he wants yet he is not a Tyrant. He uses his strength to help others. I grew up in a toxic household where I had father figures use fear and bullying tactics to control. This has lead me to hate abuse of power. Yet, now that I'm a man who has the physical strength and very good paying job, Superman inspires me to use this to help my loved ones and strangers when I am able to and never use it to hurt others. He also inspires me to have a moral code and to set myself boundaries and lines to never cross
Good opinion. No biased. People had their own taste & favorite but it doesn't mean we can insults DC or Marvel because of our own favorite.
Great video. I just wanted to say that I think the biggest issue with dceu is they wanted the mcu so bad. They saw that success and tried to rip off it so hard. Dc’s movies where they didn’t do that are incredible such as the dark knight trilogy and the new batman
Great vid!!!!
Reliability and inspiration, both is good
I feel like Jenna Ortega needs to land a role in Dc on the big screen lol
Superman snapping necks inspired me to start practicing neck snapping for when I need that skill set
I very much agree with this. In fact, this is the best analogy between DC cinema and marvel cinema that I've seen.
I love john constantine. I like how his life is always screwed up still he manages to show up and even win and also he doesn't always have a sweet victory he always says there is always a price to pay
I just like that Bruce and his rogues gallery are all broken and some of them fight despite the pain while the villains and antiheroes try to either find love or grow numb to go full or stay villain.
Ikr Spiderman stopping a train by himself is very relatable