After all they accuse each other of being false prophets that are going to hell all the time, a Baptist missionary told me that in a passive aggressive way all because I was a Catholic back then.
If it is okay be mad at an MLM for cheating your out of your money, then it is also okay to be mad at a movement for cheating you out of significant parts of your life, personal identity, self-worth, freedom, and autonomy.
Or for lying to you (at least regarding some things like science) all your life as it was in my case, I was particularly salty when I found out that the apologetics and other authorities I was supposed to look up to in the end were just selling nonsensical arguments the entire time and I was too zealous to see it earlier.
@monus782 Exactly. The fact it's lying to children is bad enough, full stop. There is no afterlife, and they totally wasted your precious life and time. I'm so sorry :(
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 strange as it sounds I actually don’t regret my time in my previous church, save for the times I was a bigoted jackass because I was told to barely tolerate gay people for example, as it was one of the things that made me who I am today, and I loved the sense of community and purpose and I had to seek that out after I left in things like Humanism because otherwise my deconversion journey would’ve been much more lonely than it was (especially when I don’t have the most favorable situation regarding this with family). I’d say that I was pissed off because it was all like a relationship where you were infatuated with that special someone only to find out they were cheating on you the entire time and since day one, I think most people would feel the way I felt after I left if they were in that situation as in both cases it’s about a relationship ultimately built on lies. At least I want to think it’s a bit harder for me to fall into BS arguments if somebody tried to convert me as I can see how the apologetics work now, maybe I’d be a bit more gullible if I wasn’t exposed to all of that (especially since I live in an area that is still relatively pretty religious, even if not as much and as oppressive as the Bible Belt region in the southern US or Saudi Arabia). It wasn't all the scandals or awful things that believers that made my faith fall apart but it was being lied that faith and science are perfectly compatible when it fact they're not (ironically after being told to always seek the truth and having scientist but religious parents, just try to apply the logic of Original Sin to human evolution to see where it's going).
enlightenment happens differently for different people. Yes, the indoctrination has a biased flaw big big flaw but once you wake, you still have to choose to understand as much as you can to determine where you stand. Blaming other people for your own ignorance helps no one but people who will weaponize the hate that comes with it. If you weren't free before, free yourself now. Atheism and the organized religion all have flaws. If its about our personal lives, we should stop waiting for people like this one here in the video and apologists to determine the truth, we need to read between the lines on both sides and decide.
whenever ppl accuse me of being angry at god, i'm always like "YES i'm angry, your religion made me hate myself for being gay!" maybe the anger i hold towards the people that oppressed me is a good thing, because it pushes me to stand up for other kids like me. i AM angry, and no amount of "jesus loves you!" will ever change the fact that i tried to commit suicide in 9th grade because i couldn't stop being gay. if i have to choose between being gay or being a christian, well, only one of those options is actually a choice i get to make.
I think it’s insane when people try to say they put all their trust in God.. like.. you always have to trust yourself first, because you’re the one who’s thinking this collection of books is magical and has all the answers to life..
@@whysocurious7366 don't even get me started on how fundamentalist christianity makes you distrust yourself. it took me a long time to form my own opinions and be confident in them because i was raised to believe my mind is lying to me
I’m sorry you had to go through that. I have a close friend who is processing a lot of religious trauma. It’s sad how some Christians will blind themselves to others’ torment so they can continue to pretend their beliefs are this magical cure-all for people’s pain.
@@birdiejett3163 it's because they're hiding their own personal pain as well. if they acknowledge our pain, they have to acknowledge their own, which breaks down the façade of "christian=best way to live." my heart goes out to your friend, and i would definitely send them videos like this one. watching other people explain how they and others have gone through what i've gone through really helps me understand that this is a systemic issue that we're all facing together
@@lonewolfgamingplus379 We learned right from wrong. They learned the bible. Ya, they are very good at telling other people how they should live. But, question theirs. And you must hate god. 🤔
@@thomasridley8675 Makes me think about how the whole real schtick of "faith" is to believe wholeheartedly in a concept or person without actually knowing for certain if that feeling is correct. It's likely why they hate it being questioned, because that's the most important aspect to their religion.
@@Herschel1738 fire is just what the energy in a candle becomes when it reacts with oxygen. the fire going out is just the energy not being converted into flames anymore. fire is not a tangible material so it doesn't go anywhere. it's still in the candle it's just solid chemical energy and not fire.
Dude they don’t want to tell me I’m angry, bc I’m fcking pssed (UA-cam Will delete your comment if you type full swears, occasionally) and I will go on a tangent as to exactly why I’m pssed at the church and will never stop being angry for everything wrong it’s done to every person on this planet.
Another one common phrase that annoys me: Oh you’re young, you’ll come around to it once you experience more of life. Uhh, first of all, you don’t really know me and where I’ve been. Also, lady, I’m 30 years old.
Omg, this annoys me so much. It's so condescending. I was told by a family member recently that I would come to Jesus once I had more life experience. I'm 29, life experience is why I moved away from Jesus lol.
@@yvette4948 lol it's so true! I wonder if they are envious of people that move away, meet new people, have new experiences, so they talk down to them to make themselves feel better about being stuck.
It's because life isn't fair. The more you live it, the more you release just how unfair life is. So at a certain point, It's easier for some people to believe in a god, than in the truth bad things happen for no reason at all. At least It's why I feel like my friends who went back to religion, went back.
@@punk91 they might be right in that once dementia starts to set in and cognitive impairment results Jesus might seem more believable? But hopefully you won't suffer dementia and stay atheist.
The idea that atheists are angry at God is a common Christian rationalization of their preconceived notion that we believe in God but we choose to reject him. They can't come up with or accept logical arguments so they claim we're angry.
@gnolex Actually it's worst than that... Thing is, from what I've seen when an atheist defect from Christianity, some are initially angry at all the B.S. their communities put them through. Christians generally don't understand the ire is at the communities and ideology and not God himself. I know this, because as a Christian, I used to be such an idiot... It's been seven years since I left that misconception behind, and good flipping riddance to it.
I used to be an atheists. now I can see they were nothing more than snobs who think them selves better than the religious for the simple act of not believing god exists. the worst is when atheists treat religious like we are living literally in some medieval times and are ignorant of how the world works.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn As an atheist living in a religious family, in a religious house, in a religious community, and a religious country- which is lead by religious beliefs; I can say that the religious people I have met are living in the past. Also, because the internet has a lot religious people to that say really outdated beliefs. Not saying that there are no good religious people out there, it's just most of the religious peeps I've found are not flexible in their opinions and are very loud. The good ones I've met are far and between, so they're either staying low or just the minority.
Imagine agnostics getting flank from both sides for daring to believe there's something supernatural but don't believe the big three god (Judaism/Christian/Islam) is real. Because it's too cruel and inconsistent
That makes sense. As a man of faith, I don't like being represented as being clueless about science when I have a degree in mathematics. Although to be fair, probably the majority of Christians don't know much about science. But even if only 5% have any knowledge about any scientific fields, that's still a HUGE number.
Yes, it's frustrating having your arguments straw manned or misconstrued or misunderstood over and over again. Or have them tell me that I actually believe in this or that.
@@theboombody a problem is that the bible has barely any if there is anything that goes along with what we know thanks to the scientific community. Oftentimes it goes directly against it, so people like me would say anyone that is Christian either knows nothing of science, or they've bent the bible to fit what we know and ignore what doesn't fit. For example Genesis is entirely wrong, the order that god creates the universe is off from what we know and have theorized, there was never a point where there was only two homosapiens were alive, and counting the genealogy given in Genesis leaves us with ~6000 years from creation to today. Even bumping that up with the first seven days of god time instead of human times it doesn't come close to the creation of the universe. This is the founding myth and basis for the entire Bible, because without Adam and eve's first sin where did sin come from, why is God angry at us
When I was a kid, my dad was terrified I would grow up with anger issues. So any time I displayed any anger or frustration, it was immediately squashed. It took many years before I realized that anger is a totally valid emotion, just as much as sadness and happiness. It's all about what triggers the emotion; getting angry at injustice and oppression is fully justified.
That happened to me too as my grandma helped raise me and I got scolded for showing "negative" feelings. No wonder my mom had so many medical issues growing up especially overeating, and my grandma would smoke whenever she felt upset.
And when your emotions are suppressed by other people like that, it only makes you feel worse and increases your chances of being an angry person your whole life. My dad was a lot like yours, except that he was a total hypocrite and did nothing to deal with his own anger issues, so I endeavor up getting stuck with them.
It’s so ironic when they say that. It’s like they don’t even hear themselves. Atheists and Christians agree on one thing, you can’t be angry at a god when you don’t think He exists, but Christians fundamentally misunderstand the fact that atheists aren’t angry at God. Atheists are angry at the Christians themselves.
Actually Allah is just another term for God. Did you know that Allah _LE GASP!_ means "God" in Arabic? It's related to _el_ / _eloah_ -- which is Hebrew for "God".
For a long time I thought the New Atheists and other antitheists were angry over distortions made about the Church, after I left I finally got to see where were they coming from.
Plus anger (when their is, because most of the time it's the preaching side which start yelling when uncomfortable with an argument) is not directed toward an imaginary god but at the people who use it as a reason to harm people. If people were torturing kids in the name of Umbridge obviously I would be angry AT THEM.
It's gaslighting plain and simple. "I'm going to say absurd things in a very judging/condescending way, and then I'll switch the focus onto how angry that makes you, which will make you angrier, which will prove my point". Textbook abuser behavior.
I wrote an essay on my college entry exam about why I'm leaving Christianity and I used some of your stuff. Thanks for adding fuel to the fire that helped me power through the walls of fear and regret.
Well that's dope. Honestly. All I can say is Jesus loves you, and it's your choice to love him back. No Christianity is true Christianity there is only a true Christian (I didn't use 'devout' on purpose). This yt channel focuses on the faults of Christianity and it's accurate. It's 2 months since you wrote your comment and I hope you passed and Good luck on college y'know. I'm sure Jesus will always accept you with open arms anytime.
@@mrlollip0p I disagree with the notion that prophet I find to be fictional with no recorded evidence of his actions loves me. I also disagree with the notion of "true Christians" because that's an easy way to dismiss anyone that makes you look bad as not really being like you
@@JohnGalt1960 how can you love someone that you don’t know and have imaginary relationship with that you can’t even have a real conversation that isn’t inside your imagination
I’ve noticed that virtually every response to disbelief falls under the rubric of an accusation of irrationality-“you’re angry,” “you’re rebelling,” “you want to sin”-anything but “you’ve calmly, seriously, and rationally thought about this.”
It turns out when you become a christian you get the magical power of mind reading and instantly knowing a person's motives....as long as they fit in the defined parameters you listed. Lol.
That is a good point. Those are typical responses to disbelief and they probably shouldn't be. Just don't assume that people of faith are automatically irrational and haven't thought about their faith before as well, even from other viewpoints besides ancient scriptures. Like, if morality does not come from a consensus of men, where in the heck does it come from? If you believe it comes from a consensus of men, that's fine and dandy, until you end up in the minority and you believe everybody else is wrong.
@@theboombody Bud, christianity is a minority. Your views go against not only 4000 other recognized religions around the world, but also that of non theists. According to your bible, ALL of them are going to hell. If that’s gods “objective morality,” i’d be much happier risking it to have my own, actually moral, subjective morality. Christians believe everyone else is wrong *so hard* that they literally push their own followers to not only go after others and try to convert them, but to do it with horrible methods (such as: preaching at a funeral of another faith/no faith) to try and win as many followers as possible. It ALSO makes sure that any kids their followers have are brought right in, and very much so don’t like telling those kids about other views. I view child indoctrination as irrational with my completely subjective morality, and a 2,000 year old book won’t change that.
Welcome to ex-USSR (well, mostly Russia) It's not important which exact heresy do you pray for, Candle Orthodox Corp is the same, the point is not to "calmly, seriously, and rationally".
How they think we became Atheists: "I prayed for God to save my loved one, and they didn't, now I hate God." How it happened for me: *completely reads the bible for the first time* "This is batshit crazy, inconsistent, and the only characters I like and are moderately relatable are Jesus and Satan. Which isn't the vibe I was 'supposed' to get, apparently."
Read the bible in middle school and assumed the wacky shit was a metaphor, but my mom said "nah it all really happened" and then 15 years later learned that biblical literalism is new to abrahamic religion by a couple centuries.
For me, it was a slow realization of: "Wait, we're supposed to love everyone but this book has a supposedly loving God regularly commanding followers to commit genocide?" Along with all the ways the church either advocates or excuses abuse. And the fact that "Wait... So the religion's basically all about human sacrifice and the belief that saying the magic words gets you in a good place after you die even if you were a crummy person?" The thing that truly sealed it for me was learning of the existence of the apocrypha and that the "undisputed word of God" in fact had been disputed throughout history and we only have the current version because a lot of church leaders got together to argue it out. Even to this day there's a difference between bibles as some include Maccabees and some don't.
@@wordforger Not even just commanding his followers to commit genocide. The big guy upstairs loves to do all that sorta stuff himself too. My favorite examples being: When he *literally* made a deal with the devil over Job, and everything that happened to Job following (almost like the perfect being would know it’s useless to try and talk with the incarnation of evil? Much less reason with it?) And my absolute fav, Kings (22:23). It involves a group of children playing. They see a bald man walk by, and make fun of him for being bald. What does our perfectly-moral god do to these children who are acting childish? Murder ALL of them by sending 2 bears to kill them. It’s a cult. Fill stop.
The fandom is way to over active, most of the stuff they talk about are just headcannons. And they completely ignore the overarching themes of the story. I’ve seen toxic fandoms, but damn is this one bad smh
I'll have to politely disagree. I was fucking floored with Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. I have reviled fictional characters before, it just doesn't mean I secretly believe they exist and feel like that anger is actually directed at a real entity. The fan club doesn't help matters either when they claim things about their idol that doesn't even mesh with the source material or try to defend blatantly evil actions.
I may not be in church anymore, but at least the people I have kept in contact with are not the judgy, preachy type. They accept people for who they are and have a stall for free food that’s close to or out of “best before” from local supermarkets.
My mom has told me I'm "angry" and honestly I've come up with an analogy that partially explains why I am coming across as angry. Let's say you have a friend or relative that's in an abusive relationship. This abuser, let's call him God, checks all the marks of a really terrible person. He is abusive, physically, domestically, sexually, psychologically/emotionally, financially/materially, he's neglectful, he discriminates and enslaves group of people, and most importantly he uses your friends family and other friends to control them through organizational or institutional abuse. God executes these forms of abuse throughout time via a simple book, and oh wow he does it damn well. So this friend you know and love is being royally abused by this partner, and you decide that they absolutely need to get the hell out of this horrible relationship because you love them and you don't think they should have to be ashamed of being human. Now, this friend has been gaslighted and manipulated. They don't want to leave. "He loves me, it's my fault, I didn't trust him enough, I didn't obey enough, I didn't follow the rules, he is making me stronger, I just have to be patient, and then we will be happy together." and you have watched this partner ignore this friend, and threaten them with eternal damnation. In fact, when this friend's mom dies, he tells her it's her fault because they didn't worship him enough. So you go up to your friend, and you tell them this partner might not be the most healthy person to be around and that maybe they should try and get some distance because you see these signs of toxicity and you don't want them to end up hurt. And what does your friend say? That you just don't understand. They have a special connection. Then, everyone else tells you to leave it alone, that you are the one that's being harmful, and if she is happy the way she is, then it doesn't matter how much this partner is hurting her. I can't imagine not feeling a little, oh what's the word... angry, for being dismissed and ignored when we all know if someone was being abused by a real person, we would want to protect them and give them love and support. So yeah, call me an angry Atheist, and I will call you an abuse sympathizer because if there is a God, he's one shitty deity.
Not no mention the number of people who keep badgering others about how wonderful this abusive relationship is, and think everybody should be in one. Yeah... no thanks. I'd rather hold on to my self-worth and my dignity.
@@carmensavu5122 YES. I don't know what's triggered them but I'm getting a Jehovah's witness letters every other day (granted, I only have two so far) and I have a really bad urge to send them a pamphlet about the different forms of abuse. It would be a less offensive trade than a pamphlet from a satanic temple but still.
@@myheartiswriting I think I get that. Everyone else in my small group has a zeal for Jesus that I find baffling and I sometimes envy, and it seems like an insult to God is an insult they take personally. I don't honestly know; I've never been in love.
Yes!! This has happened so recently. My dear friend has been in a horribly abusive relationship with a textbook paranoid schizophrenic guy with extreme religious delusions who fully endorsed his abuse & defended his abuse of her & their 2 children and accused me of being the abusive one when I called out his his abusive caustic bullshit to his face. He proceeded to scream at me how horrible I am for 15-20 minutes, and she defends him fully, while chastising me. So sick! Well, I will sit back & watch as he destroys her, and likely murder her & the 2 kids because he is that crazy & sick...and just say " I told you so".
I'm Native American, and I used to be a Christian. I think my mom or relatives would say same thing about my anger about our people's history with Christianity which was the bordering schools, forced conversations.. which I feel.. angry, sad and pity nowadays. It's like I'm looking at the world differently. Like I was in the Matrix. Which I left the faith.. I left that part of my life into this new one. I have a reason to be angry and it's justified. That was a year ago, and I'm dealing with my anger, believe me, I get frustrated when I see my people, family talk about faith. But I love them because they are my family, they have different beliefs than I do.
Brother, we have every right to be mad at what xtiniaty has done to indigneous people and our civilizations. Not to mention the long term psychological effects this has had on all of us. Look up religious trauma syndrome.
@@denydefendepose Oh I did. When that story came from Canada of a Residential School.. where they found bodies of indigenous children. A mass unmarked graves.. I literally went to a room and cried for a hour from hearing that. I probably do suffer from Religious Trauma.
Frustrated because they feel that they've been lied to their entire lives. How would you feel if you were told that Santa Clause is real for over 20 years and then only on your own, find out that Santa never existed in the first place? Pretty upset right? It's sort of the same thing when it comes to Christianity or any religion and find out it's not actually true. Granted there are some good things in the Bible that can be used as guidelines for how to live life. But that's all it is, guidelines or basically suggestions. I can find the same sort of suggestions in a fortune cookie or other religions as well. It's like the pirate code in POTC. Point is follow the guidelines or don't, it's honestly up to you.
@@braupaul for me, I'm less upset that I've been lied to in the past compared to the frustration that I'm currently feeling because harmful ideas are still getting spread under the guise of religion. So much bigoted beliefs are based on or even encouraged by religion. I'm mad because religion keeps harming people's lives.
Frustrated at having the same things pushed on us over and over, not to mention lied about and misconstrued ... the "angry atheist" being itself one of those falsehoods.
this coming weekend i’m going to be cutting off my religious father. his consistent disrespect and disregard for my identity, beliefs, and autonomy have pushed me steadily away from him since i became atheist. i have tried again and again to give him the chance to understand me and my beliefs, but at every turn he has chosen his pride over his child. he is directly responsible for me not getting diagnosed with autism adhd depression and anxiety until i was 17, and even still will make ableist remarks towards me. in every aspect of his life he has chosen his relationship with god over his relationship with me. through nearly 18 years, i have accomplished what i have in spite of him. i am alive today in spite of him. it hurts so much to do this, but i know i need to stand up for myself
I’m sorry about your father. I had to do the same thing with my father years ago for similar reasons. I can tell you firsthand that it won’t be easy but it will get better eventually and there’s always people out there who will have your back. Good luck and feel free to message me if you ever need to talk. :)
Funeral is always get turned into sermons they make it all about preaching and not about the person. The pastor did this at my grandfather's funeral and I was incredibly annoyed
Hear hear. I am agnostic....skeptical...searching. I got called out publicly by a pastor at my grandma's funeral. Never really got any help with the grief, Nothing. Just angrily berated for being agnostic.
idk what is with atheists and the science argument. like science is somehow the opposite of religion and there is just two paths you can take, either be completely and utterly ignorant believe and live under a rock and deny everything about the world, or be an atheist and jack off to science while burning churches. yes these are exacerbated but it is certainly how it appears. for some atheists and believers there can only be either or.
Loved the video and I had a similar experience when I came out as queer and atheist. A lot of "I know you're angry but Jesus still loves you and can take away that anger." Weirdo shit lol
I'll instead take my anger _out_ in the general direction of His Beloved Son for being the only being apparently with enough self-control to live up to His Impossible Standards. ...How dare God be superior to _me,_ even on a _completely level playing field...??_
Same. I'd honestly rather they find out I'm bi than an atheist. They'd (hopefully, if they didn't I'd be screwed) brush that off as a phase or ignore it, while if they found out about my atheism they'd launch right into "our daughter has been corrupted and we must save her immortal soul" mode.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 I’ve met with some cool crows, they are very worried about their resources drying out due to more use, and the amount of murders by straw men has exploded exponentially
Main reason why I don't talk about my issues to my family is that they always shut me down. To make matters worse I'm also on the autistic spectrum, so if I do happen to let my emotions get the better of me I would have to hold it all in to avoid being label as demon possessed, or rebellious if they feel I'm speaking against them. There has been so many times where they have told me "Speaking against your parent takes years off of your life" It's something I could never quite make sense of from when I was around 10 till today now at the age of 24. It's not exactly the prime example of what I'd imagine love would be defined as. So yea, I guess I am pretty angry but they'll probably never know why only that "The devil got em". There's a lot more to the story, but I don't feel like going through all it honestly. Sorry for any grammar issues.
Just be you. Be kind. Love people. Be honest. Get angry when you need to need to get angry. Be sad when you need to be sad. I can't explain how powerful of a mantra this is, how many times I played it over and over, or even what to do with it from here. But I will most likely use it for the rest of my life. Love you man, thanks.
I mean, there are plenty of us that were angry atheists... after we deconverted. I mean, imagine what it feels like to have been lied to for your whole life by people you're supposed to be able to trust. Imagine finding out that the cornerstone you've built your understanding of the universe on was faulty and your whole world feels like it's crumbling around you and you need to rebuild your understanding of the world from the ground up. Wouldn't you feel just a little hurt, betrayed, and generally pissed off? I know I did.
Eh, I can fault my pastoral _parents_ for that, rather than the *institution* that they claimed to represent. Living by faith? ...hard, actually. And almost entirely countercultural, to boot. It's little wonder to me why I see so few others attempt it as described.
Hey everybody, I’ve been working through my loss of Evangelical faith lately and I’d like to recommend this book to yall: You Are Your Own: A Reckoning with the Religious Trauma of Evangelical Christianity . It’s pretty short, I finished it in about two sittings and bought the ebook for less than ten bucks. It’s been helping me... figure it out. Been helping me recognize and talk about my pain and given me some direction in the healing process. Hope you’re all doing well
@@guthrie_the_wizard Who's the other Ex Jehovah Witness that does videos about them and other religious cults? I always have him and theramin trees recommended under each other's videos but I can't remember his name. Younger, clean cut guy that talks slot about his time being raised as Jehovah Witness and how it destroyed his family
Darkmatter2525 is an Animated channel that uses various themes like humor, or even serious themes in some series, that really put religion into perspective on how it affects individuals and societies. His animations have improved over the years, but he has his "Comedy" series and then he has a more serious series where "God" is actually a student put in charge of a simulation (but doesn't know it), and explores his actions thru the old testament, and things he commands of people to perform. That series is a bit Scifi, but good. though I always love his Comedy series because "Jeffry" the little angel & Gods companion is just the greatest, and is a logical foil to Gods design (according to the Bible Stories)
I've never been angry, I've been fed up. I'm even better since I took to ignoring Christians all together. I recommend it for all of us. Flush all that toxicity out of your life.
I know I'd hate saying this, but maybe it's better that this channel is under the radar for a bit cuz there are plenty of religious fanatics that are eager to dislike bomb and spam shitty comments on this channel.
@@PurpleMintSam Yeah maybe I am tbh. It's just that I keep seeing random comments that spams random biblical quotes with no context whatsoever in almost any religious or non-religious channels and videos which can lead to toxic arguments. You can see some of them in channels that criticize religious organizations.
@@wazzzup2579 Yeah, that's what I meant. I WISH that you were just being paranoid, I WISH he didn't have to worry about crazies just because of his beliefs.
I'm an Atheist, but, there's parts of the bible that I can find reasonable. How about uh, "Love thy neighbor" sounds pretty good to me. Being nice to people. Shame Christians don't feel the same way.
I really appreciate these video essays. While I'm not an atheist myself, I am a practicing pagan - something that many Christians consider to be even worse, as in their eyes I'm praying to demons disguised as "false gods" and conjuring evil powers by candlelight. It's put a rift between me and my -fanatical- deeply religious relatives who aren't even gonna bother saying I'm angry at their god; honestly it doesn't like they're apt to say anything at all.
ikr? That's exactly it. God or allah or yaweh or jehovah or whatever else, doesn't matter to me. What I hate is the very-human (not divine) organizations that oppress and slaughter innocent people.
I am quite a religious Muslim but the one that doubts everything. I taught my brother to be like that too. He became an atheist instead. The ironic part is the reason why I am religious is because of my atheist uncle who made me question my religion. Everyone has different questions and different answers so let the people believe what they want. Note: My brother and I get along really well and nobody in the house questions his belief.
Especially as a woman, I'm tired of being told my anger isn't valid. Anger is the emotion of self-protection: it lets you know when you're being mistreated. When your boundaries are being violated. Anger is very often dismissed as always shameful and always bad, instead of one of your tools to fucking assert yourself as a being with rights and dignity. I also like to point out to Christians that God is angry, a LOT, and that anger is righteous. (Another example of "when God does it it's great, when you do it it's a sin.") But pointing out that Christianity has been hemorrhaging numbers, losing about 2/3rds of its numbers in twenty years, tends to be the end of any conversation. I think it's a form of gaslighting for Christianity to dismiss any and all anger, because it prepares them for how to dismiss those abused within their ranks. If there's one thing Christians sputter trying to defend, it's the reality that their churches have the most amoutn of child rape than any one pedophile or Q Anon conspiracy.
Becoming an atheist has allowed me to reconcile myself with what I believe is right and wrong.... As an ex Muslim indeed sometimes I feel angry thinking about my first 49 years wasted at believing in a God that’s angry, capricious, lazy and immoral... for whom zealots murder and kills innocent people.
I gave up my faith because I was angry. Well, more accurately, I was supremely enraged by my Catholic school councilors and teachers and that started me on the path to doing my own research. Both of my parents had severe heart problems at the same time while I was in high school. Teenage years are stressful enough as it is, and that obviously gets compounded when you're terrified one or both of your parents might die without warning. So after struggling to not have meltdown after meltdown during mandatory mass at this school or in classes that went out of their way to frame just how great God was, I went to talk to my school councilor. I needed to vent, or find some coping mechanisms, or maybe even get referred to a professional councilor who could help me get through it all. Instead, the Catholic school councilor had the audacity to suggest someone in my family was being punished by God for some wrong-doing, be it my parents, their siblings, or even me. I like to think I'm a pretty openminded person, but I had to walk out on that session because if I didn't, I was going to put my fist through the wall. The idea of a just and loving God using severe illness to punish someone was horrid to me. Why would I want to worship someone like that? So I started reading book after theological book, looking at the history of religions around the world and how each worked and compared to each other. I ended up becoming agnostic. I'm not full-on atheist because I still feel like there's greater elements at play that we just don't know/understand yet, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a childish, vindictive God at the center of it all.
Y'know I'm just here wondering why you believed that person. You needed someone to get you through and that's it. Why blame the ignorance of that man on God? We were all born sinners so why wasn't that man that told you that punished yet? If there is no God then I suppose is useless, if to say. Cos what are we doing? Living, breathing, going through the problems of life and then finally dying. That's just too basic if you ask me. Take a second and think about it. What would you do if you didn't exist? If you see this as a dumb question then congrats you earned an achievement. Now move on to the question, "What does it mean to exist on a personal level?" Idk who you are or why troubles you've faced but I think you just need someone to explain what it means to be a 'genuine follower of christ.' or better still come to that conclusion yourself and not take wrong things about Christianity as the wrong things about God.
@@mrlollip0p You're being very disrespectful. This person gave up their faith, and you're basically saying "if god isn't real we have no purpose." We don't need a purpose. We get to make our own purposes. There is no evidence for your god (arguments do not count as evidence) so of course people will take your religion as a reflection of your religion.
@@goatdeer8403 I won't argue about the existence of God. Why we have no meaningful purpose is because "science" is simplifying your existence by saying "Humans are animals" or "We are a product of evolution". Imagine your parents giving birth to you, teaches you how to make farm and make certain tools to help cultivation and weapons to be used against animals. You eat, play/talk with friends, learn and sleep on a daily basis. And just like that you've grown up. Maybe you change certain ppl for the better. You go on a journey to another land when you come of age, then find a life companion and the cycle goes on exactly that way. You would agree with me that your life typically didn't mean much to the world regardless of the minor ways you contributed and changed it(slightly), because one way or another if you didn't exist there are typically other human beings. No matter what, if we continue such a cycle humans will NEVER be extinct. So why the need to go around, conquer people, conquer land and have slaves? Why do you want the extravagant when the needful is enough? If humans are what science depicts us as, we should follow such a cycle and not rule over the world. Imagine lions having their characteristics and being as smart and self aware as humans. But although you do not follow such a cycle you still follow a very similar one as of right now. Eat, play, learn, sleep, grow up, work for your daily bread, change a few ppl for the better (eg. Being there when they needed you the most), find a life companion and finally die. We didn't change how our time on earth works so why didn't we just stick to when it was simpler and easier? What is your worth? How much of this world have you changed? If you(on a personal level) didn't exist wouldn't there be another person to fill your role? If science is right then I can kill two ppl and father two children. Nothing changes. People will mourn the two people's death but on a universal basis it's very ok to just replace them. I don't know you so what has your life done for me? Nothing. I would very much still be alive if you didn't exist. If you don't exist then someone else will. Maybe another sperm cell replaced you and you were flushed down the toilet. You were 'chosen' to be on earth. If you say God doesn't exist then you're taking for granted the fact that you won the sperm race and you weren't killed as a helpless baby. Don't get me wrong, believing in God isn't a way to prove my self-worth( if that be the case then it's on a psychological level). Believing on God means that even if we continue this cycle of life everyone will agree was torture at a certain point of their life, there is a meaning to all of the limited happiness, the sadness, the suffering and all the pain. I didn't mean to disrespect anyone, I'm sorry if I did. Religion isn't good. Take Africa for example: they were given the Bible and were sold. They thought the suffering they faced was justified, while it was a way for greedy people to capture their minds and make them obey. Are you saying that the devout Christians around the globe that care for the poor and needy or go to muslim hotbeds where ppl are killed for being christian to spread the word are part of such greedy fellows? Not everyone in a religion is religious. Please don't disrespect or take for granted people that sacrifice their lives for the world to become a better place. If you look from outside the box you'll see that everything that brings "pleasure" and "happiness" on earth is mostly vain. Having many women, many riches, power, authority. They're all vain. God is real my good friend. And he sent his son to die for us so we may receive eternal life and true happiness. A happiness that doesn't neglect another person of theirs. Jesus loves you. (If you made it here, sorry for the long essay🙏)
@@mrlollip0p I have given you the benefit of the doubt and read all of it. It's mostly drivel and word salat. Sorry to hear that you need to believe in stuff you can't demonstrate to exist because reality isn't exciting enough or too pointless for you. "God is real my good friend." is just an assertion. The reasons you have given here are essentially "because I feel more fulfilled with that belief". I could go through every single bias and non sequitor you just made in this rant if you want, because there are a lot. PS: Science does not say that living in a cycle is how we should live. Evolutionarily, species which can find new habitats are more likely to survive, as are individuals which conserve riches such as food, so scientifically speaking there is a really good reason why historically speaking an expansionist mindset was/is advantagous. Honestly all you have made me convinced of even more once again is that a bad understanding of science goes hand in hand with religiosity.
@@mrlollip0p this is one of the reasons people like me generally dislike Christianity (or in my case organized religion) and those who are fanatical about it (and yes, long speeches on FB trying to argue God to people who have told you the abuses suffered under your religion is fanatical). The fact your first response is to defend God and blame people for following the teachings they were given (there's a lot of hateful shit in those books) proves the point of a lot of us who have come to hate the religion as a whole. You've made your belief such a major part of who you think you are that you HAVE to try and force people to share your beliefs no matter what. This kind of unwanted, unsolicited preeching is part of why Christians get a bad rep.
Christians would do well to remember “be angry and sin not”. Otherwise, it’s okay to be upset, just don’t hurt people and be a dick. If we can all disassociate anger from someone position on a topic, it tends to help us be less angry.
It never ceases to amaze me, the utter hubris of Christians; particularly, how confident they are in their ability to read minds, to see with perfect clarity "what's in your heart", and then condescendingly explain to you what EXACTLY is going on in your head. This is what happens when someone literally believes they have been blessed by an all-powerful deity, and given the power of divine insight. Insight which (to them) means that they will *always* know better than you: - who you are - what your purpose is - what your gender is - what emotions you are feeling at any given moment - what the "real" reasons are, for your behavior - where you're going after you die. There's a part of me that envies their unshakeable confidence, and their ability to apply that confidence to essentially any aspect of their (or anyone else's) life. But I grew up among them, and I am aware of what harm can be done, when a person trades reason and humility for delusional confidence.
I’m not angry at Santa. I’m not angry at the tooth fairy. I’m not angry at Vishnu. I’m not angry at Vampires. I’m not angry at Odin. I’m not angry at Harry Potter. I’m not angry at Yaweh.
I'm disappointed in "Santa," because saint veneration is cooler than the tradition gives him credit for. The 'tooth fairy' was always known to be my parents, and it's cute. I'm sure the fair folk don't mind. ...who's Vishnu? ...ah, _Vampires_ tho... symbolic folklore representation of immoral and sickly Eastern European aristocracy. These guys are a metaphor for the _real-world_ bad guys and don't "sparkle in the sun" like the Mormon romance novelist chose to (unhelpfully) apply to their folkloric tradition. Stop it. Get some help. *Odin* is probably one of the few I would venerate if I went Pagan. Him & Thor give _actual_ "sons of thunder" vibes and I relate to that through my roots and ancestry. :) ...Plus, Chris Hemsworth. Just makes me happy, is all... _The Boy Who Lived_ did nothing wrong, and I forgive Rowling for now being out-of-touch, (more readily than _Meyer,_ at least...) ...and as for Ha'Shem, let Him speak for Himself, however that sounds to all y'all. The 'Y' names are considered sacred to yours truly, but the 'J' ones...? Aren't. ...go nuts, Gentlemen.
3:19 I have never seen this guy before, but I absolutely _love_ the (almost certainly unintentional) way it's shot like the viewer is cautiously backing away as Todd Friel advances on them with a manic look on his face.
There's also those of us who have never believed, and have never been bothered by that. Thank you for sharing your journey with us, and congrats on your temperance.
I briefly lived with someone who literally fell asleep to Todd Friel's radio show and left it running overnight, which honestly should be banned by the Geneva convention.
I'm not angry. I become more and more aware of how extremely delusional a huge huge chunk of humanity is and it's shocking, hard to believe, disheartening, depressing, I feel hopeless for our species. And on a personal level, I would like to have a rational human being to have a deep, honest, intelligent, respectful conversation with.
The angriest people I’ve ever met in my life were all Christians. Also - I got hit by a car and was laying in the rain just like that scene from God’s Not Dead. Had the person who ran over to me started telling me to repent and accept Jesus before time ran out instead of asking benign questions just to keep me talking, I would have probably died of a heart attack thanks to panic added on top of an already astronomical heart rate caused by shock. Instead, I was relatively calm while waiting for the ambulance to arrive.
You sir deserve so much more attention. You are able to elliquentally put together what I have been trying to figure out how to say for I dont know how long. Thank you sir, I feel at peace knowing I'm not alone
I remember when I started deconverting around the end of 2022-beginning of 2023, which this channel had helped me greatly during that time. Thank you, Belief it or not.
So I’m a Christian, but I gotta tell you, I love this channel. It really gives me insight into what others believe and actually makes me think deeply about my faith. Just want you to know that I’m praying for you guys this week and I hope that you have An amazing one as well!
When your only real reason for your faith is your emotional attachment to it, you’re going to assume whoever doesn’t think like you do is doing it for emotional reasons too.
I was angry at first because most of the people I confided in and trusted that they would atleast listen to my ideas and reasons for leaving and respect my desires decided that I was a sinner or Satan worshipper instead of calming down and listening. Now I've found a community full of calm and rational people I can look up to and are generally well versed in the things I love.
Of all the atheist youtube channels I watch, your videos have hit me the hardest. I relate to almost everything you discuss in your videos and they're exactly what i need when i feel scared or upset from my church. I just wanna say thanks for the videos.
I'm just looking at a few now, and I would class them along with those of Paulogia, Viced Rhino, and Genetically Modified Sceptic for their humanity and emotional sensitivity (Viced Rhino's a bit more sarcastic, but just as humane). Two of those are, like this one, Canadian, which might have something to do with it. The fundamentalist churches that are so politically powerful in the U.S. are insignificant in Canada, where the mainstream of Christians are not aggressive or unreasonable. The culture also has a strong streak of individualism, where people do not put up with others poking their noses into their business or preaching at them. I would also recommend the British videos of Qualia Soup and Theramin Trees.
I can’t tell you how many times my youth pastor would go “I know so many troubled kids who’ve lost their faith, and you know what, they always come back to my office crying about their problems...” or “when you lose your faith, you will find nothing, you will be unfulfilled, you will realize that you need Jesus.” Etc etc etc. I’d like him to know that I’m A-OK. My life was the same as it was when I was a Christian, I’m just less gullible 😅
I remember going through this when I left several years ago. Even after all these years, and a lot of healing, I still very much appreciate these videos. It's a wonderful reminder that we are not alone in our experiences. Thank you for the continued content!
This is the best video yet! I needed this years ago when I left. The more I heard about the usual threats, ignored, or just going through teenage issues and it was because "I lost my way." I did become angry. I just wanted to be accepted and cared for not brushed off. I'm older now and accept myself and my life choices. Not angry. People can believe what they want and that's fine. Pass judgment. Okay.
I don’t really argue with my brother about faith as much as we used to. I guess we just mutually realized that it wasn’t an enriching experience and we just slowly decided to stop arguing about it. I’m glad we did, because now we just get along much better. Now we just respect the beliefs of each other. Because we agree that it’s just better to have a brother than someone who you just argue with you fundamental beliefs about.
This honestly explains why my anger is super bad to deal with because I was taught growing being angry is a sin going to the point of excusing abusive people behavior. Now it is hard to not feel guilty when I get upset with an abusive person through my line even though I know that I am in the right to be upset with them. There has been many times where people in my own church told me that my abuse is my fault because I cannot forgive my abuser which was my family member. You can image why I turn Pagan and just work with Stolas now.
The thing that makes me angry is the fact that I was duped into a belief system that effected so many of my life decisions for 46 years. Now knowing how differently I would have made decisions, had I not been infected by religion. After I read the bible in 1997, and began to doubt it. But because everyone around me believed and I still thought hell might be real. Guess I could say Iwas angry at myself.Great video topic.
These videos are SOOOOO good. Thanks for your voice in promoting positive atheism. I’m doing my best to reduce stigma too. It’s an obstacle to overcome for sure. Non-believers are some of the most generous, thoughtful, and compassionate people I know. 👊
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I'm not angry at a fictional god. I'm angry at the atrocities humans commit in its name.
and him not doing anything about it
THANK YOU.
Amennnnnnnn.
I'm angry at god in the same way I'm angry at Voldemort.
How do you know god is an it?
this isn't even limited to atheists - i've had christians tell me that i'm only jewish because i'm angry at jesus
Absolute absurdity
It’s a buzzword to brush off why they can’t and evidently don’t want to research and explain.
That is hilarious!
oh that's gross i'm sorry
After all they accuse each other of being false prophets that are going to hell all the time, a Baptist missionary told me that in a passive aggressive way all because I was a Catholic back then.
If it is okay be mad at an MLM for cheating your out of your money, then it is also okay to be mad at a movement for cheating you out of significant parts of your life, personal identity, self-worth, freedom, and autonomy.
Or for lying to you (at least regarding some things like science) all your life as it was in my case, I was particularly salty when I found out that the apologetics and other authorities I was supposed to look up to in the end were just selling nonsensical arguments the entire time and I was too zealous to see it earlier.
Or giving people an excuse to be bigots
@monus782 Exactly. The fact it's lying to children is bad enough, full stop.
There is no afterlife, and they totally wasted your precious life and time. I'm so sorry :(
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 strange as it sounds I actually don’t regret my time in my previous church, save for the times I was a bigoted jackass because I was told to barely tolerate gay people for example, as it was one of the things that made me who I am today, and I loved the sense of community and purpose and I had to seek that out after I left in things like Humanism because otherwise my deconversion journey would’ve been much more lonely than it was (especially when I don’t have the most favorable situation regarding this with family).
I’d say that I was pissed off because it was all like a relationship where you were infatuated with that special someone only to find out they were cheating on you the entire time and since day one, I think most people would feel the way I felt after I left if they were in that situation as in both cases it’s about a relationship ultimately built on lies.
At least I want to think it’s a bit harder for me to fall into BS arguments if somebody tried to convert me as I can see how the apologetics work now, maybe I’d be a bit more gullible if I wasn’t exposed to all of that (especially since I live in an area that is still relatively pretty religious, even if not as much and as oppressive as the Bible Belt region in the southern US or Saudi Arabia).
It wasn't all the scandals or awful things that believers that made my faith fall apart but it was being lied that faith and science are perfectly compatible when it fact they're not (ironically after being told to always seek the truth and having scientist but religious parents, just try to apply the logic of Original Sin to human evolution to see where it's going).
enlightenment happens differently for different people. Yes, the indoctrination has a biased flaw big big flaw but once you wake, you still have to choose to understand as much as you can to determine where you stand. Blaming other people for your own ignorance helps no one but people who will weaponize the hate that comes with it. If you weren't free before, free yourself now. Atheism and the organized religion all have flaws. If its about our personal lives, we should stop waiting for people like this one here in the video and apologists to determine the truth, we need to read between the lines on both sides and decide.
whenever ppl accuse me of being angry at god, i'm always like "YES i'm angry, your religion made me hate myself for being gay!" maybe the anger i hold towards the people that oppressed me is a good thing, because it pushes me to stand up for other kids like me. i AM angry, and no amount of "jesus loves you!" will ever change the fact that i tried to commit suicide in 9th grade because i couldn't stop being gay. if i have to choose between being gay or being a christian, well, only one of those options is actually a choice i get to make.
I think it’s insane when people try to say they put all their trust in God.. like.. you always have to trust yourself first, because you’re the one who’s thinking this collection of books is magical and has all the answers to life..
@@whysocurious7366 don't even get me started on how fundamentalist christianity makes you distrust yourself. it took me a long time to form my own opinions and be confident in them because i was raised to believe my mind is lying to me
I’m sorry you had to go through that. I have a close friend who is processing a lot of religious trauma. It’s sad how some Christians will blind themselves to others’ torment so they can continue to pretend their beliefs are this magical cure-all for people’s pain.
@@birdiejett3163 it's because they're hiding their own personal pain as well. if they acknowledge our pain, they have to acknowledge their own, which breaks down the façade of "christian=best way to live." my heart goes out to your friend, and i would definitely send them videos like this one. watching other people explain how they and others have gone through what i've gone through really helps me understand that this is a systemic issue that we're all facing together
@@blurrycryptid we're in this together. you are your own, and you deserve to feel whatever it is you're feeling. best of luck to you on your journey
I'm not angry about their belief in a god. I'm very angry about the way it is used.
For them to tell how people should live, breath..
@@lonewolfgamingplus379
We learned right from wrong. They learned the bible.
Ya, they are very good at telling other people how they should live. But, question theirs. And you must hate god. 🤔
@@thomasridley8675 Makes me think about how the whole real schtick of "faith" is to believe wholeheartedly in a concept or person without actually knowing for certain if that feeling is correct. It's likely why they hate it being questioned, because that's the most important aspect to their religion.
@@norrecvizharan1177
I have some faith in mankind.
For the gods we have created. I have none at all.
@@thomasridley8675 did you write that or did you get it from somewhere, cause that’s a great fcking quote
I was debating christians in the barracks once and they asked me "so what happens after you die?"
Without missing a beat: "decomposition."
Where does the flame go when you blow a candle out? That's where we go when we die.
@@Herschel1738 Except we're not candles lol
That's a gigachad move there, pal.
@@falconeshield
Princess Diana was
@@Herschel1738 fire is just what the energy in a candle becomes when it reacts with oxygen. the fire going out is just the energy not being converted into flames anymore. fire is not a tangible material so it doesn't go anywhere. it's still in the candle it's just solid chemical energy and not fire.
Tell me it isn't ironic when I'm calmly discussing with a Christian and after he gets mad because I don't agree with him, he calls me angry.
it's always projection tbh
That's a common thing in many discussions where one side gets heated
Thats my Father in a nutshell
Dude they don’t want to tell me I’m angry, bc I’m fcking pssed (UA-cam Will delete your comment if you type full swears, occasionally) and I will go on a tangent as to exactly why I’m pssed at the church and will never stop being angry for everything wrong it’s done to every person on this planet.
Sounds like projection to me.
Didn't Jesus tear up a temple one time when he was angry? But I'm sure I'd be told "well, that was different."
He cursed a tree as well.
@@andrebrown8969 Yes he did for the sin of not bearing fruit out of season.
@@huffpappy That makes a lot of sense... 😔
@@andrebrown8969 i didn't know that. Then again i didnt really read it. More like skimmed it
They will say it’s different because that was “righteous” anger.
Another one common phrase that annoys me: Oh you’re young, you’ll come around to it once you experience more of life. Uhh, first of all, you don’t really know me and where I’ve been. Also, lady, I’m 30 years old.
Omg, this annoys me so much. It's so condescending. I was told by a family member recently that I would come to Jesus once I had more life experience. I'm 29, life experience is why I moved away from Jesus lol.
@@punk91 yep! I feel like most of the people who say this are usually the people who haven’t expanded their horizons or left their hometown.
@@yvette4948 lol it's so true! I wonder if they are envious of people that move away, meet new people, have new experiences, so they talk down to them to make themselves feel better about being stuck.
It's because life isn't fair. The more you live it, the more you release just how unfair life is. So at a certain point, It's easier for some people to believe in a god, than in the truth bad things happen for no reason at all.
At least It's why I feel like my friends who went back to religion, went back.
@@punk91 they might be right in that once dementia starts to set in and cognitive impairment results Jesus might seem more believable? But hopefully you won't suffer dementia and stay atheist.
The idea that atheists are angry at God is a common Christian rationalization of their preconceived notion that we believe in God but we choose to reject him. They can't come up with or accept logical arguments so they claim we're angry.
@gnolex
Actually it's worst than that... Thing is, from what I've seen when an atheist defect from Christianity, some are initially angry at all the B.S. their communities put them through.
Christians generally don't understand the ire is at the communities and ideology and not God himself.
I know this, because as a Christian, I used to be such an idiot... It's been seven years since I left that misconception behind, and good flipping riddance to it.
I used to be an atheists. now I can see they were nothing more than snobs who think them selves better than the religious for the simple act of not believing god exists.
the worst is when atheists treat religious like we are living literally in some medieval times and are ignorant of how the world works.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn As an atheist living in a religious family, in a religious house, in a religious community, and a religious country- which is lead by religious beliefs; I can say that the religious people I have met are living in the past. Also, because the internet has a lot religious people to that say really outdated beliefs.
Not saying that there are no good religious people out there, it's just most of the religious peeps I've found are not flexible in their opinions and are very loud. The good ones I've met are far and between, so they're either staying low or just the minority.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn “If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That’s the difference between me and your God.” Tracie Harris❣️
Imagine agnostics getting flank from both sides for daring to believe there's something supernatural but don't believe the big three god (Judaism/Christian/Islam) is real. Because it's too cruel and inconsistent
We’re not angry because we’re atheists. We’re just tired of being misrepresented.
Time. And time. And time. And time. Again.
And again. And again.
That makes sense. As a man of faith, I don't like being represented as being clueless about science when I have a degree in mathematics. Although to be fair, probably the majority of Christians don't know much about science. But even if only 5% have any knowledge about any scientific fields, that's still a HUGE number.
@@theboombody I mean, having a degree in math doesn’t give you any particular amount of knowledge about chemistry, biology, or physics
Yes, it's frustrating having your arguments straw manned or misconstrued or misunderstood over and over again. Or have them tell me that I actually believe in this or that.
@@theboombody a problem is that the bible has barely any if there is anything that goes along with what we know thanks to the scientific community. Oftentimes it goes directly against it, so people like me would say anyone that is Christian either knows nothing of science, or they've bent the bible to fit what we know and ignore what doesn't fit.
For example Genesis is entirely wrong, the order that god creates the universe is off from what we know and have theorized, there was never a point where there was only two homosapiens were alive, and counting the genealogy given in Genesis leaves us with ~6000 years from creation to today. Even bumping that up with the first seven days of god time instead of human times it doesn't come close to the creation of the universe. This is the founding myth and basis for the entire Bible, because without Adam and eve's first sin where did sin come from, why is God angry at us
When I was a kid, my dad was terrified I would grow up with anger issues. So any time I displayed any anger or frustration, it was immediately squashed. It took many years before I realized that anger is a totally valid emotion, just as much as sadness and happiness. It's all about what triggers the emotion; getting angry at injustice and oppression is fully justified.
@Rain Elizabeth that's fucked up
That happened to me too as my grandma helped raise me and I got scolded for showing "negative" feelings. No wonder my mom had so many medical issues growing up especially overeating, and my grandma would smoke whenever she felt upset.
And when your emotions are suppressed by other people like that, it only makes you feel worse and increases your chances of being an angry person your whole life. My dad was a lot like yours, except that he was a total hypocrite and did nothing to deal with his own anger issues, so I endeavor up getting stuck with them.
I'm angry at god in the same way I'm angry at Voldemort.
"how could you be so angry about something you don't believe in?" how do Christians feel about Allah?
Or Zeus, Buddha.
Atheists aren’t angry at God. We’re annoyed with the believers in God who use their religion as an excuse to be bad people and treat others poorly.
Well if they would keep their faith to yourself and wouldn’t shape societal rules based on their faith nobody would hate religion.
It’s so ironic when they say that. It’s like they don’t even hear themselves. Atheists and Christians agree on one thing, you can’t be angry at a god when you don’t think He exists, but Christians fundamentally misunderstand the fact that atheists aren’t angry at God. Atheists are angry at the Christians themselves.
Actually Allah is just another term for God. Did you know that Allah _LE GASP!_ means "God" in Arabic?
It's related to _el_ / _eloah_ -- which is Hebrew for "God".
Not *just* angry, but justifiably angry.
That's my exact feeling.
For a long time I thought the New Atheists and other antitheists were angry over distortions made about the Church, after I left I finally got to see where were they coming from.
"How can atheists be angry at God if he doesn't exist?"
Well, I hate Dolores Umbridge but I don't wave my wand in hope of doing some magic
Yes you can be angry at fiction
Plus anger (when their is, because most of the time it's the preaching side which start yelling when uncomfortable with an argument) is not directed toward an imaginary god but at the people who use it as a reason to harm people. If people were torturing kids in the name of Umbridge obviously I would be angry AT THEM.
Speak for yourself. :)) Whenever I waive my Hermione's wand there's a little part of me that hopes something will happen.
@@carmensavu5122 lol I feel that! 😂
"Maybe this time..." [Swoosh] "... Nope." 😭
Maybe they're not angry at a "god", but rather at the people who want to force their imaginary friend on them?
It's gaslighting plain and simple. "I'm going to say absurd things in a very judging/condescending way, and then I'll switch the focus onto how angry that makes you, which will make you angrier, which will prove my point". Textbook abuser behavior.
Which is why power never panics. You stay cool and let the Christians seethe, you won
I wrote an essay on my college entry exam about why I'm leaving Christianity and I used some of your stuff. Thanks for adding fuel to the fire that helped me power through the walls of fear and regret.
Well that's dope. Honestly. All I can say is Jesus loves you, and it's your choice to love him back. No Christianity is true Christianity there is only a true Christian (I didn't use 'devout' on purpose). This yt channel focuses on the faults of Christianity and it's accurate. It's 2 months since you wrote your comment and I hope you passed and Good luck on college y'know. I'm sure Jesus will always accept you with open arms anytime.
@@mrlollip0p I disagree with the notion that prophet I find to be fictional with no recorded evidence of his actions loves me. I also disagree with the notion of "true Christians" because that's an easy way to dismiss anyone that makes you look bad as not really being like you
I dont want to leave Christ. I love him.
@@JohnGalt1960 ironic name
@@JohnGalt1960 how can you love someone that you don’t know and have imaginary relationship with that you can’t even have a real conversation that isn’t inside your imagination
I’ve noticed that virtually every response to disbelief falls under the rubric of an accusation of irrationality-“you’re angry,” “you’re rebelling,” “you want to sin”-anything but “you’ve calmly, seriously, and rationally thought about this.”
It turns out when you become a christian you get the magical power of mind reading and instantly knowing a person's motives....as long as they fit in the defined parameters you listed. Lol.
That is a good point. Those are typical responses to disbelief and they probably shouldn't be. Just don't assume that people of faith are automatically irrational and haven't thought about their faith before as well, even from other viewpoints besides ancient scriptures. Like, if morality does not come from a consensus of men, where in the heck does it come from? If you believe it comes from a consensus of men, that's fine and dandy, until you end up in the minority and you believe everybody else is wrong.
@@theboombody Bud, christianity is a minority. Your views go against not only 4000 other recognized religions around the world, but also that of non theists. According to your bible, ALL of them are going to hell.
If that’s gods “objective morality,” i’d be much happier risking it to have my own, actually moral, subjective morality. Christians believe everyone else is wrong *so hard* that they literally push their own followers to not only go after others and try to convert them, but to do it with horrible methods (such as: preaching at a funeral of another faith/no faith) to try and win as many followers as possible. It ALSO makes sure that any kids their followers have are brought right in, and very much so don’t like telling those kids about other views. I view child indoctrination as irrational with my completely subjective morality, and a 2,000 year old book won’t change that.
Welcome to ex-USSR (well, mostly Russia)
It's not important which exact heresy do you pray for, Candle Orthodox Corp is the same, the point is not to "calmly, seriously, and rationally".
*holds up picture of crocoduck as an example of transitional forms*
"I can't believe I was met with mockery and satire!"
It was dumb and funny
I mean... tiktaalik? Kind of a croc-o-duck.lol
@@stephenwilliams203 WHY WONT THIS WEBSITE EXIST PLEASE
@@peskypigeonx GIVE US THE CROC-O-DUCK
@@peskypigeonx Sorry, I don't know why that happened. Lol
How they think we became Atheists: "I prayed for God to save my loved one, and they didn't, now I hate God."
How it happened for me: *completely reads the bible for the first time* "This is batshit crazy, inconsistent, and the only characters I like and are moderately relatable are Jesus and Satan. Which isn't the vibe I was 'supposed' to get, apparently."
Read the bible in middle school and assumed the wacky shit was a metaphor, but my mom said "nah it all really happened" and then 15 years later learned that biblical literalism is new to abrahamic religion by a couple centuries.
For me, it was a slow realization of: "Wait, we're supposed to love everyone but this book has a supposedly loving God regularly commanding followers to commit genocide?" Along with all the ways the church either advocates or excuses abuse. And the fact that "Wait... So the religion's basically all about human sacrifice and the belief that saying the magic words gets you in a good place after you die even if you were a crummy person?"
The thing that truly sealed it for me was learning of the existence of the apocrypha and that the "undisputed word of God" in fact had been disputed throughout history and we only have the current version because a lot of church leaders got together to argue it out. Even to this day there's a difference between bibles as some include Maccabees and some don't.
@@wordforger Not even just commanding his followers to commit genocide. The big guy upstairs loves to do all that sorta stuff himself too.
My favorite examples being:
When he *literally* made a deal with the devil over Job, and everything that happened to Job following (almost like the perfect being would know it’s useless to try and talk with the incarnation of evil? Much less reason with it?)
And my absolute fav, Kings (22:23). It involves a group of children playing. They see a bald man walk by, and make fun of him for being bald. What does our perfectly-moral god do to these children who are acting childish?
Murder ALL of them by sending 2 bears to kill them.
It’s a cult. Fill stop.
@@wordforger Maccabees. Wasn't that when McDonald's and Applebee's merged?
@@josepherhardt164 No. that's when Beatle Paul starts a honey farm.
Can't be angry at something that's not real. I'm just a bit annoyed at his little fan club.
I too dislike liars.
The fandom is way to over active, most of the stuff they talk about are just headcannons. And they completely ignore the overarching themes of the story. I’ve seen toxic fandoms, but damn is this one bad smh
@@gentlesandladymen It has more drama than the Friday Night Funkin fandom and trust me, there’s pretty much a new controversy every day.
I'll have to politely disagree. I was fucking floored with Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. I have reviled fictional characters before, it just doesn't mean I secretly believe they exist and feel like that anger is actually directed at a real entity.
The fan club doesn't help matters either when they claim things about their idol that doesn't even mesh with the source material or try to defend blatantly evil actions.
I may not be in church anymore, but at least the people I have kept in contact with are not the judgy, preachy type. They accept people for who they are and have a stall for free food that’s close to or out of “best before” from local supermarkets.
My mom has told me I'm "angry" and honestly I've come up with an analogy that partially explains why I am coming across as angry. Let's say you have a friend or relative that's in an abusive relationship. This abuser, let's call him God, checks all the marks of a really terrible person. He is abusive, physically, domestically, sexually, psychologically/emotionally, financially/materially, he's neglectful, he discriminates and enslaves group of people, and most importantly he uses your friends family and other friends to control them through organizational or institutional abuse. God executes these forms of abuse throughout time via a simple book, and oh wow he does it damn well.
So this friend you know and love is being royally abused by this partner, and you decide that they absolutely need to get the hell out of this horrible relationship because you love them and you don't think they should have to be ashamed of being human. Now, this friend has been gaslighted and manipulated. They don't want to leave. "He loves me, it's my fault, I didn't trust him enough, I didn't obey enough, I didn't follow the rules, he is making me stronger, I just have to be patient, and then we will be happy together." and you have watched this partner ignore this friend, and threaten them with eternal damnation. In fact, when this friend's mom dies, he tells her it's her fault because they didn't worship him enough.
So you go up to your friend, and you tell them this partner might not be the most healthy person to be around and that maybe they should try and get some distance because you see these signs of toxicity and you don't want them to end up hurt. And what does your friend say? That you just don't understand. They have a special connection. Then, everyone else tells you to leave it alone, that you are the one that's being harmful, and if she is happy the way she is, then it doesn't matter how much this partner is hurting her. I can't imagine not feeling a little, oh what's the word... angry, for being dismissed and ignored when we all know if someone was being abused by a real person, we would want to protect them and give them love and support. So yeah, call me an angry Atheist, and I will call you an abuse sympathizer because if there is a God, he's one shitty deity.
Not no mention the number of people who keep badgering others about how wonderful this abusive relationship is, and think everybody should be in one. Yeah... no thanks. I'd rather hold on to my self-worth and my dignity.
@@carmensavu5122 YES. I don't know what's triggered them but I'm getting a Jehovah's witness letters every other day (granted, I only have two so far) and I have a really bad urge to send them a pamphlet about the different forms of abuse. It would be a less offensive trade than a pamphlet from a satanic temple but still.
@@myheartiswriting I think I get that. Everyone else in my small group has a zeal for Jesus that I find baffling and I sometimes envy, and it seems like an insult to God is an insult they take personally. I don't honestly know; I've never been in love.
Yes!! This has happened so recently. My dear friend has been in a horribly abusive relationship with a textbook paranoid schizophrenic guy with extreme religious delusions who fully endorsed his abuse & defended his abuse of her & their 2 children and accused me of being the abusive one when I called out his his abusive caustic bullshit to his face. He proceeded to scream at me how horrible I am for 15-20 minutes, and she defends him fully, while chastising me. So sick! Well, I will sit back & watch as he destroys her, and likely murder her & the 2 kids because he is that crazy & sick...and just say " I told you so".
I'm Native American, and I used to be a Christian. I think my mom or relatives would say same thing about my anger about our people's history with Christianity which was the bordering schools, forced conversations.. which I feel.. angry, sad and pity nowadays. It's like I'm looking at the world differently. Like I was in the Matrix. Which I left the faith.. I left that part of my life into this new one. I have a reason to be angry and it's justified.
That was a year ago, and I'm dealing with my anger, believe me, I get frustrated when I see my people, family talk about faith. But I love them because they are my family, they have different beliefs than I do.
good luck with your future!
Stay safe and happy!
Brother, we have every right to be mad at what xtiniaty has done to indigneous people and our civilizations. Not to mention the long term psychological effects this has had on all of us. Look up religious trauma syndrome.
@@denydefendepose Oh I did. When that story came from Canada of a Residential School.. where they found bodies of indigenous children. A mass unmarked graves.. I literally went to a room and cried for a hour from hearing that. I probably do suffer from Religious Trauma.
So your own family who is also native american was telling you to basically "get over it"? Crazy
I think a lot of atheists aren’t angry, their frustrated.
Frustrated because they feel that they've been lied to their entire lives. How would you feel if you were told that Santa Clause is real for over 20 years and then only on your own, find out that Santa never existed in the first place?
Pretty upset right? It's sort of the same thing when it comes to Christianity or any religion and find out it's not actually true.
Granted there are some good things in the Bible that can be used as guidelines for how to live life. But that's all it is, guidelines or basically suggestions.
I can find the same sort of suggestions in a fortune cookie or other religions as well.
It's like the pirate code in POTC.
Point is follow the guidelines or don't, it's honestly up to you.
they’re :P
@@braupaul for me, I'm less upset that I've been lied to in the past compared to the frustration that I'm currently feeling because harmful ideas are still getting spread under the guise of religion. So much bigoted beliefs are based on or even encouraged by religion. I'm mad because religion keeps harming people's lives.
Frustrated at having the same things pushed on us over and over, not to mention lied about and misconstrued ... the "angry atheist" being itself one of those falsehoods.
It is VERY frustrating trying to share a civilization with a bunch of immature people who demand we play along with their fairy-tales.
this coming weekend i’m going to be cutting off my religious father. his consistent disrespect and disregard for my identity, beliefs, and autonomy have pushed me steadily away from him since i became atheist. i have tried again and again to give him the chance to understand me and my beliefs, but at every turn he has chosen his pride over his child. he is directly responsible for me not getting diagnosed with autism adhd depression and anxiety until i was 17, and even still will make ableist remarks towards me. in every aspect of his life he has chosen his relationship with god over his relationship with me. through nearly 18 years, i have accomplished what i have in spite of him. i am alive today in spite of him. it hurts so much to do this, but i know i need to stand up for myself
I’m sorry about your father. I had to do the same thing with my father years ago for similar reasons. I can tell you firsthand that it won’t be easy but it will get better eventually and there’s always people out there who will have your back. Good luck and feel free to message me if you ever need to talk. :)
Good job dude.
I remember when a pastor demonized atheists at my mother's funeral. Time and place for your preaching, it wasn't then.
Funeral is always get turned into sermons they make it all about preaching and not about the person. The pastor did this at my grandfather's funeral and I was incredibly annoyed
If your family is atheist, then why did you have a pastor at the funeral/have the funeral at a church?
@@PinkVampire21 pretty sure their family is christian and they might not be any reasonable christian would hate that
Hear hear. I am agnostic....skeptical...searching. I got called out publicly by a pastor at my grandma's funeral. Never really got any help with the grief, Nothing. Just angrily berated for being agnostic.
@@PinkVampire21 my family is Fundamentalist Baptist...the worst kind. But my grandma wasn't.
"Bro why are you mad about me denying proven science, saying you'll go to hell, and telling you you're evil! How dare you!"
idk what is with atheists and the science argument. like science is somehow the opposite of religion and there is just two paths you can take, either be completely and utterly ignorant believe and live under a rock and deny everything about the world, or be an atheist and jack off to science while burning churches.
yes these are exacerbated but it is certainly how it appears. for some atheists and believers there can only be either or.
Loved the video and I had a similar experience when I came out as queer and atheist. A lot of "I know you're angry but Jesus still loves you and can take away that anger." Weirdo shit lol
The anger is a driving motivation to make the world better. I'd be a worse person if I had that anger taken away.
I'll instead take my anger _out_ in the general direction of His Beloved Son for being the only being apparently with enough self-control to live up to His Impossible Standards.
...How dare God be superior to _me,_ even on a _completely level playing field...??_
I’m not looking forward to coming out as a non-believer to my family. This video is so much of the reason why.
If you live in the Bible belt or have a deeply religious family, it's probably best not to.
Same. I'd honestly rather they find out I'm bi than an atheist. They'd (hopefully, if they didn't I'd be screwed) brush that off as a phase or ignore it, while if they found out about my atheism they'd launch right into "our daughter has been corrupted and we must save her immortal soul" mode.
move far away, and mail them a postcard
I’m in the same boat as you @Victoria T
Too late for me, I'm just lucky I have a secular parent who loves me for who I am, and family who is somewhat ok with who I am.
I’m not mad, I’m deeply invested in dismantling these abusive cults.
Ya wanna start a coup?
@@Kensuke22would love to. Who receives attention first?
"Because on the way home from the hospital she died in a car accident."
I laughed so hard, what an amazing scene.
I guess we both have a fucked up sense of humor.😂😂
@Hyperion 666 can you link me to it, I wanna check it out
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I cackled as well! So wonderfully bad.
How is that funny?
I bet there’s hardly any straw left in the US with all the strawmen Christians have been building.
Right?
The crows must be terrified at this point with all the strawmen around.
Kevin Sorbo, The Giant Strawman, Terror of Crows
😂
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 I’ve met with some cool crows, they are very worried about their resources drying out due to more use, and the amount of murders by straw men has exploded exponentially
Holy crap, I never even noticed until reading the comments then checking the subscribed count just how underrated this channel is
Share the bejesus out of these videos so the channel will grow.
Main reason why I don't talk about my issues to my family is that they always shut me down. To make matters worse I'm also on the autistic spectrum, so if I do happen to let my emotions get the better of me I would have to hold it all in to avoid being label as demon possessed, or rebellious if they feel I'm speaking against them. There has been so many times where they have told me "Speaking against your parent takes years off of your life"
It's something I could never quite make sense of from when I was around 10 till today now at the age of 24. It's not exactly the prime example of what I'd imagine love would be defined as.
So yea, I guess I am pretty angry but they'll probably never know why only that "The devil got em".
There's a lot more to the story, but I don't feel like going through all it honestly. Sorry for any grammar issues.
No worries, I wish the best for you and I hope you find some people to accept you for who you are.
I would say that not speaking against your parents when they are harming you could take even more years off your life.
Fuck religion, and fuck ableism. As another autistic person, I stand with you!
Just be you.
Be kind.
Love people.
Be honest.
Get angry when you need to need to get angry.
Be sad when you need to be sad.
I can't explain how powerful of a mantra this is, how many times I played it over and over, or even what to do with it from here. But I will most likely use it for the rest of my life.
Love you man, thanks.
Simple.
But true.
I like it.
The Occam's Razor of life philosophies right there!
Agreed, but there is no reasoning with Chaos.
It will always find a way through.
@@PlexusCaeruleum oh for sure. But the duality of that is interesting. Can't you say the same thing about peace?
@@MD-bf2ce I don't know
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Trevor. Keep making these videos my friend, there's a world out there who needs them. Proud of you.
Thank man, I will
I mean, there are plenty of us that were angry atheists... after we deconverted. I mean, imagine what it feels like to have been lied to for your whole life by people you're supposed to be able to trust. Imagine finding out that the cornerstone you've built your understanding of the universe on was faulty and your whole world feels like it's crumbling around you and you need to rebuild your understanding of the world from the ground up. Wouldn't you feel just a little hurt, betrayed, and generally pissed off? I know I did.
Same. Exactly. You articulated this so well
Eh, I can fault my pastoral _parents_ for that, rather than the *institution* that they claimed to represent.
Living by faith? ...hard, actually. And almost entirely countercultural, to boot. It's little wonder to me why I see so few others attempt it as described.
Hey everybody, I’ve been working through my loss of Evangelical faith lately and I’d like to recommend this book to yall: You Are Your Own: A Reckoning with the Religious Trauma of Evangelical Christianity . It’s pretty short, I finished it in about two sittings and bought the ebook for less than ten bucks. It’s been helping me... figure it out. Been helping me recognize and talk about my pain and given me some direction in the healing process. Hope you’re all doing well
Have you seen TheraminTrees? Really great channel that focuses on a therapeutic end.
I’ll check it out : )
@@guthrie_the_wizard Who's the other Ex Jehovah Witness that does videos about them and other religious cults? I always have him and theramin trees recommended under each other's videos but I can't remember his name.
Younger, clean cut guy that talks slot about his time being raised as Jehovah Witness and how it destroyed his family
Darkmatter2525 is an Animated channel that uses various themes like humor, or even serious themes in some series, that really put religion into perspective on how it affects individuals and societies.
His animations have improved over the years, but he has his "Comedy" series and then he has a more serious series where "God" is actually a student put in charge of a simulation (but doesn't know it), and explores his actions thru the old testament, and things he commands of people to perform.
That series is a bit Scifi, but good.
though I always love his Comedy series because "Jeffry" the little angel & Gods companion is just the greatest, and is a logical foil to Gods design (according to the Bible Stories)
@@masstv9052 that sounds like Telltale. If so, I second that recommendation wholeheartedly
I've never been angry, I've been fed up. I'm even better since I took to ignoring Christians all together. I recommend it for all of us. Flush all that toxicity out of your life.
It is literally a crime that you don’t have more subscribers.
He just started this style of video. I love them, I bet he'll blow up soon
I know I'd hate saying this, but maybe it's better that this channel is under the radar for a bit cuz there are plenty of religious fanatics that are eager to dislike bomb and spam shitty comments on this channel.
@@wazzzup2579 I want to say you're wrong, you're just being paranoid. I want to say that.
@@PurpleMintSam Yeah maybe I am tbh. It's just that I keep seeing random comments that spams random biblical quotes with no context whatsoever in almost any religious or non-religious channels and videos which can lead to toxic arguments. You can see some of them in channels that criticize religious organizations.
@@wazzzup2579 Yeah, that's what I meant. I WISH that you were just being paranoid, I WISH he didn't have to worry about crazies just because of his beliefs.
I'm an Atheist, but, there's parts of the bible that I can find reasonable.
How about uh, "Love thy neighbor" sounds pretty good to me. Being nice to people.
Shame Christians don't feel the same way.
my father has same approach... some cherry picked teaching are quite good, while others, especially in old testament are completely horrible
"Love thy neighbor"
'christians' - conditions may apply*
@@cola98765 I honestly wish I had a Dad like yours. Mine is very religious.
@@charlestonianbuilder344 Each set sold seperately.
@@johnoconnell5004(batteries not included)
I really appreciate these video essays. While I'm not an atheist myself, I am a practicing pagan - something that many Christians consider to be even worse, as in their eyes I'm praying to demons disguised as "false gods" and conjuring evil powers by candlelight. It's put a rift between me and my -fanatical- deeply religious relatives who aren't even gonna bother saying I'm angry at their god; honestly it doesn't like they're apt to say anything at all.
“The Ashley I know doesn’t hate god!”
“I don’t hate god, I can’t hate something I don’t believe even exists, I hate religion.” 😅
ikr? That's exactly it. God or allah or yaweh or jehovah or whatever else, doesn't matter to me. What I hate is the very-human (not divine) organizations that oppress and slaughter innocent people.
I am quite a religious Muslim but the one that doubts everything. I taught my brother to be like that too. He became an atheist instead. The ironic part is the reason why I am religious is because of my atheist uncle who made me question my religion. Everyone has different questions and different answers so let the people believe what they want.
Note: My brother and I get along really well and nobody in the house questions his belief.
Especially as a woman, I'm tired of being told my anger isn't valid. Anger is the emotion of self-protection: it lets you know when you're being mistreated. When your boundaries are being violated. Anger is very often dismissed as always shameful and always bad, instead of one of your tools to fucking assert yourself as a being with rights and dignity.
I also like to point out to Christians that God is angry, a LOT, and that anger is righteous. (Another example of "when God does it it's great, when you do it it's a sin.") But pointing out that Christianity has been hemorrhaging numbers, losing about 2/3rds of its numbers in twenty years, tends to be the end of any conversation.
I think it's a form of gaslighting for Christianity to dismiss any and all anger, because it prepares them for how to dismiss those abused within their ranks. If there's one thing Christians sputter trying to defend, it's the reality that their churches have the most amoutn of child rape than any one pedophile or Q Anon conspiracy.
I'm not just angry, I'm furious over wasting 20+ years and still just trying to figure out how to be a person and what I even want out of life.
"You only left my religion because it made you mad!" Yes was this a bad reason? What do you use religion for?
Becoming an atheist has allowed me to reconcile myself with what I believe is right and wrong.... As an ex Muslim indeed sometimes I feel angry thinking about my first 49 years wasted at believing in a God that’s angry, capricious, lazy and immoral... for whom zealots murder and kills innocent people.
I gave up my faith because I was angry. Well, more accurately, I was supremely enraged by my Catholic school councilors and teachers and that started me on the path to doing my own research.
Both of my parents had severe heart problems at the same time while I was in high school. Teenage years are stressful enough as it is, and that obviously gets compounded when you're terrified one or both of your parents might die without warning. So after struggling to not have meltdown after meltdown during mandatory mass at this school or in classes that went out of their way to frame just how great God was, I went to talk to my school councilor. I needed to vent, or find some coping mechanisms, or maybe even get referred to a professional councilor who could help me get through it all. Instead, the Catholic school councilor had the audacity to suggest someone in my family was being punished by God for some wrong-doing, be it my parents, their siblings, or even me. I like to think I'm a pretty openminded person, but I had to walk out on that session because if I didn't, I was going to put my fist through the wall. The idea of a just and loving God using severe illness to punish someone was horrid to me. Why would I want to worship someone like that? So I started reading book after theological book, looking at the history of religions around the world and how each worked and compared to each other. I ended up becoming agnostic. I'm not full-on atheist because I still feel like there's greater elements at play that we just don't know/understand yet, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a childish, vindictive God at the center of it all.
Y'know I'm just here wondering why you believed that person. You needed someone to get you through and that's it. Why blame the ignorance of that man on God? We were all born sinners so why wasn't that man that told you that punished yet? If there is no God then I suppose is useless, if to say. Cos what are we doing? Living, breathing, going through the problems of life and then finally dying. That's just too basic if you ask me. Take a second and think about it. What would you do if you didn't exist? If you see this as a dumb question then congrats you earned an achievement. Now move on to the question, "What does it mean to exist on a personal level?" Idk who you are or why troubles you've faced but I think you just need someone to explain what it means to be a 'genuine follower of christ.' or better still come to that conclusion yourself and not take wrong things about Christianity as the wrong things about God.
@@mrlollip0p You're being very disrespectful. This person gave up their faith, and you're basically saying "if god isn't real we have no purpose." We don't need a purpose. We get to make our own purposes. There is no evidence for your god (arguments do not count as evidence) so of course people will take your religion as a reflection of your religion.
@@goatdeer8403 I won't argue about the existence of God. Why we have no meaningful purpose is because "science" is simplifying your existence by saying "Humans are animals" or "We are a product of evolution". Imagine your parents giving birth to you, teaches you how to make farm and make certain tools to help cultivation and weapons to be used against animals. You eat, play/talk with friends, learn and sleep on a daily basis. And just like that you've grown up. Maybe you change certain ppl for the better. You go on a journey to another land when you come of age, then find a life companion and the cycle goes on exactly that way. You would agree with me that your life typically didn't mean much to the world regardless of the minor ways you contributed and changed it(slightly), because one way or another if you didn't exist there are typically other human beings. No matter what, if we continue such a cycle humans will NEVER be extinct. So why the need to go around, conquer people, conquer land and have slaves? Why do you want the extravagant when the needful is enough? If humans are what science depicts us as, we should follow such a cycle and not rule over the world. Imagine lions having their characteristics and being as smart and self aware as humans. But although you do not follow such a cycle you still follow a very similar one as of right now. Eat, play, learn, sleep, grow up, work for your daily bread, change a few ppl for the better (eg. Being there when they needed you the most), find a life companion and finally die. We didn't change how our time on earth works so why didn't we just stick to when it was simpler and easier? What is your worth? How much of this world have you changed? If you(on a personal level) didn't exist wouldn't there be another person to fill your role? If science is right then I can kill two ppl and father two children. Nothing changes. People will mourn the two people's death but on a universal basis it's very ok to just replace them. I don't know you so what has your life done for me? Nothing. I would very much still be alive if you didn't exist. If you don't exist then someone else will. Maybe another sperm cell replaced you and you were flushed down the toilet. You were 'chosen' to be on earth. If you say God doesn't exist then you're taking for granted the fact that you won the sperm race and you weren't killed as a helpless baby. Don't get me wrong, believing in God isn't a way to prove my self-worth( if that be the case then it's on a psychological level). Believing on God means that even if we continue this cycle of life everyone will agree was torture at a certain point of their life, there is a meaning to all of the limited happiness, the sadness, the suffering and all the pain. I didn't mean to disrespect anyone, I'm sorry if I did. Religion isn't good. Take Africa for example: they were given the Bible and were sold. They thought the suffering they faced was justified, while it was a way for greedy people to capture their minds and make them obey. Are you saying that the devout Christians around the globe that care for the poor and needy or go to muslim hotbeds where ppl are killed for being christian to spread the word are part of such greedy fellows? Not everyone in a religion is religious. Please don't disrespect or take for granted people that sacrifice their lives for the world to become a better place. If you look from outside the box you'll see that everything that brings "pleasure" and "happiness" on earth is mostly vain. Having many women, many riches, power, authority. They're all vain. God is real my good friend. And he sent his son to die for us so we may receive eternal life and true happiness. A happiness that doesn't neglect another person of theirs. Jesus loves you. (If you made it here, sorry for the long essay🙏)
@@mrlollip0p I have given you the benefit of the doubt and read all of it. It's mostly drivel and word salat. Sorry to hear that you need to believe in stuff you can't demonstrate to exist because reality isn't exciting enough or too pointless for you.
"God is real my good friend." is just an assertion. The reasons you have given here are essentially "because I feel more fulfilled with that belief".
I could go through every single bias and non sequitor you just made in this rant if you want, because there are a lot.
PS: Science does not say that living in a cycle is how we should live. Evolutionarily, species which can find new habitats are more likely to survive, as are individuals which conserve riches such as food, so scientifically speaking there is a really good reason why historically speaking an expansionist mindset was/is advantagous. Honestly all you have made me convinced of even more once again is that a bad understanding of science goes hand in hand with religiosity.
@@mrlollip0p this is one of the reasons people like me generally dislike Christianity (or in my case organized religion) and those who are fanatical about it (and yes, long speeches on FB trying to argue God to people who have told you the abuses suffered under your religion is fanatical). The fact your first response is to defend God and blame people for following the teachings they were given (there's a lot of hateful shit in those books) proves the point of a lot of us who have come to hate the religion as a whole. You've made your belief such a major part of who you think you are that you HAVE to try and force people to share your beliefs no matter what. This kind of unwanted, unsolicited preeching is part of why Christians get a bad rep.
Christians would do well to remember “be angry and sin not”. Otherwise, it’s okay to be upset, just don’t hurt people and be a dick. If we can all disassociate anger from someone position on a topic, it tends to help us be less angry.
Really glad I found you guys while you were small, excited to see this grow and reach a lot of people needing to hear this message. Good stuff
The way Todd Friel is continually walking toward the audience as he spews nonsense is kind of hilarious
Projection is always easier than self examination. It helps to remember that Christianity started as a mystery cult ☺️
Mhm.
And still _is,_ if you take the Communion at face value...
It never ceases to amaze me, the utter hubris of Christians; particularly, how confident they are in their ability to read minds, to see with perfect clarity "what's in your heart", and then condescendingly explain to you what EXACTLY is going on in your head.
This is what happens when someone literally believes they have been blessed by an all-powerful deity, and given the power of divine insight. Insight which (to them) means that they will *always* know better than you:
- who you are
- what your purpose is
- what your gender is
- what emotions you are feeling at any given moment
- what the "real" reasons are, for your behavior
- where you're going after you die.
There's a part of me that envies their unshakeable confidence, and their ability to apply that confidence to essentially any aspect of their (or anyone else's) life. But I grew up among them, and I am aware of what harm can be done, when a person trades reason and humility for delusional confidence.
I’m not angry at Santa.
I’m not angry at the tooth fairy.
I’m not angry at Vishnu.
I’m not angry at Vampires.
I’m not angry at Odin.
I’m not angry at Harry Potter.
I’m not angry at Yaweh.
Id fuck a vampire but im not angry at em
I'm not angry at Robert Pattinson for starring in the Twilight movies before becoming Batman.
I'm disappointed in "Santa," because saint veneration is cooler than the tradition gives him credit for.
The 'tooth fairy' was always known to be my parents, and it's cute. I'm sure the fair folk don't mind.
...who's Vishnu?
...ah, _Vampires_ tho... symbolic folklore representation of immoral and sickly Eastern European aristocracy. These guys are a metaphor for the _real-world_ bad guys and don't "sparkle in the sun" like the Mormon romance novelist chose to (unhelpfully) apply to their folkloric tradition. Stop it. Get some help.
*Odin* is probably one of the few I would venerate if I went Pagan. Him & Thor give _actual_ "sons of thunder" vibes and I relate to that through my roots and ancestry. :)
...Plus, Chris Hemsworth. Just makes me happy, is all...
_The Boy Who Lived_ did nothing wrong, and I forgive Rowling for now being out-of-touch, (more readily than _Meyer,_ at least...)
...and as for Ha'Shem, let Him speak for Himself, however that sounds to all y'all.
The 'Y' names are considered sacred to yours truly, but the 'J' ones...? Aren't.
...go nuts, Gentlemen.
I ADORE YOUR CONTENT AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE I HAVE POST NOTIFICATIONS ON FOR
it's hard not to be angry when people tell you you're life is meaningless or you're incapable of real love for simply not believing or not interested
Sorbo
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair
3:19 I have never seen this guy before, but I absolutely _love_ the (almost certainly unintentional) way it's shot like the viewer is cautiously backing away as Todd Friel advances on them with a manic look on his face.
"you wouldn't dare to be human"
throws them off every time
There's also those of us who have never believed, and have never been bothered by that.
Thank you for sharing your journey with us, and congrats on your temperance.
I briefly lived with someone who literally fell asleep to Todd Friel's radio show and left it running overnight, which honestly should be banned by the Geneva convention.
Thanks treavor, right as I was rewatching old vids of yours!
I really needed to hear this, thank you
So glad I found this channel. I feel so validated in all the issues I had with Christianity that my family just cannot seem to grasp
To be entirely fair: the exact same people Rick was supposed to making fun of worship him
The guy who wrote him did it poorly
"How can you be so angry about something you don't believe in"
Same person some time earlier: "I DON'T WANT NO SHARIA LAW!!!"
^most people don't but anyway.
Kids raised by Muslims walk away from _their_ supposed faith, too.
I'm not angry. I become more and more aware of how extremely delusional a huge huge chunk of humanity is and it's shocking, hard to believe, disheartening, depressing, I feel hopeless for our species. And on a personal level, I would like to have a rational human being to have a deep, honest, intelligent, respectful conversation with.
The angriest people I’ve ever met in my life were all Christians. Also - I got hit by a car and was laying in the rain just like that scene from God’s Not Dead. Had the person who ran over to me started telling me to repent and accept Jesus before time ran out instead of asking benign questions just to keep me talking, I would have probably died of a heart attack thanks to panic added on top of an already astronomical heart rate caused by shock. Instead, I was relatively calm while waiting for the ambulance to arrive.
You sir deserve so much more attention.
You are able to elliquentally put together what I have been trying to figure out how to say for I dont know how long. Thank you sir, I feel at peace knowing I'm not alone
I remember when I started deconverting around the end of 2022-beginning of 2023, which this channel had helped me greatly during that time. Thank you, Belief it or not.
So I’m a Christian, but I gotta tell you, I love this channel. It really gives me insight into what others believe and actually makes me think deeply about my faith. Just want you to know that I’m praying for you guys this week and I hope that you have An amazing one as well!
Enjoy speaking to the floor for me g
@@buttermoth5861 Relax a little, would ya?
@@lukebell4738 it was a joke lol
@@buttermoth5861 I get that, and maybe I'm reading into it too much, but it feels like you're belittling them for trying to be supportive.
@@lukebell4738 eh, I mean by saying you’re praying for atheists it’s kinda belittling our beliefs don’t you think?
When your only real reason for your faith is your emotional attachment to it, you’re going to assume whoever doesn’t think like you do is doing it for emotional reasons too.
You know, my loss of faith did start with anger. But I don’t believe anymore, and I’m not angry anymore. Why be angry at a god that doesn’t exist
I was angry at first because most of the people I confided in and trusted that they would atleast listen to my ideas and reasons for leaving and respect my desires decided that I was a sinner or Satan worshipper instead of calming down and listening.
Now I've found a community full of calm and rational people I can look up to and are generally well versed in the things I love.
Will never forget when my grandmother said "he thinks he's an atheist
I always enjoy your videos, thank you!
Of all the atheist youtube channels I watch, your videos have hit me the hardest. I relate to almost everything you discuss in your videos and they're exactly what i need when i feel scared or upset from my church. I just wanna say thanks for the videos.
I'm just looking at a few now, and I would class them along with those of Paulogia, Viced Rhino, and Genetically Modified Sceptic for their humanity and emotional sensitivity (Viced Rhino's a bit more sarcastic, but just as humane). Two of those are, like this one, Canadian, which might have something to do with it. The fundamentalist churches that are so politically powerful in the U.S. are insignificant in Canada, where the mainstream of Christians are not aggressive or unreasonable. The culture also has a strong streak of individualism, where people do not put up with others poking their noses into their business or preaching at them. I would also recommend the British videos of Qualia Soup and Theramin Trees.
I can’t tell you how many times my youth pastor would go “I know so many troubled kids who’ve lost their faith, and you know what, they always come back to my office crying about their problems...” or “when you lose your faith, you will find nothing, you will be unfulfilled, you will realize that you need Jesus.” Etc etc etc. I’d like him to know that I’m A-OK. My life was the same as it was when I was a Christian, I’m just less gullible 😅
I remember going through this when I left several years ago. Even after all these years, and a lot of healing, I still very much appreciate these videos. It's a wonderful reminder that we are not alone in our experiences. Thank you for the continued content!
To sum it up in a Yugioh Abridged Quote
Christians: Aw come on, don’t be a playa hater.
Atheist/Agnostics: I’m not a “player hater”. I just hate you.
I've never seen that abridged series. Is it funny?
This is the best video yet!
I needed this years ago when I left. The more I heard about the usual threats, ignored, or just going through teenage issues and it was because "I lost my way." I did become angry. I just wanted to be accepted and cared for not brushed off.
I'm older now and accept myself and my life choices. Not angry. People can believe what they want and that's fine. Pass judgment. Okay.
I'm the same way not very competitive or other things. Why I like Dungeons and Dragons. It's way more of a cooperative game.
Try playing with my friends it’ll change your mind. Massive fights break out. Dogs have been stolen. It’s madness. lol
@@arbington in all honesty id fight my party members 4 a puppy
can’t explain how helpful this channel is to me rn going through the last semester of catholic school. thank u for ur work.
That was great and so many good jokes.
I'm a Christian and I really like your videos. Well done and well said. keep it up!
I don’t really argue with my brother about faith as much as we used to. I guess we just mutually realized that it wasn’t an enriching experience and we just slowly decided to stop arguing about it. I’m glad we did, because now we just get along much better. Now we just respect the beliefs of each other. Because we agree that it’s just better to have a brother than someone who you just argue with you fundamental beliefs about.
6:43 okay, but that scene from the boys was pretty funny
The Boys in general is pretty funny, Karl Urban is pretty good at the dead pan humour
I agree
Todd Friel is quite a personality.
He seems like a fun guy.
We're not just angry. We're hurt.
This honestly explains why my anger is super bad to deal with because I was taught growing being angry is a sin going to the point of excusing abusive people behavior. Now it is hard to not feel guilty when I get upset with an abusive person through my line even though I know that I am in the right to be upset with them.
There has been many times where people in my own church told me that my abuse is my fault because I cannot forgive my abuser which was my family member. You can image why I turn Pagan and just work with Stolas now.
Omg the description of games at the beginning - no one has ever put into words the way I feel about boardgames as eloquently as this
Great conclusion. Be honest, help people understand if you can, if you can't, oh well.
I'm angry in the same way anyone would be angry when they constantly get told how great of a person their childhood bully is.
The thing that makes me angry is the fact that I was duped into a belief system that effected so many of my life decisions for 46 years. Now knowing how differently I would have made decisions, had I not been infected by religion. After I read the bible in 1997, and began to doubt it. But because everyone around me believed and I still thought hell might be real. Guess I could say Iwas angry at myself.Great video topic.
*Praise the lord for leading me to your channel!*
American Christians set back stem-cell research 20 years.
I'm really upset about that.
These videos are SOOOOO good. Thanks for your voice in promoting positive atheism. I’m doing my best to reduce stigma too. It’s an obstacle to overcome for sure. Non-believers are some of the most generous, thoughtful, and compassionate people I know. 👊
People dont like being lied to and being condescended at the same time.
I worked on a Kevin Sorbo movie...That experience shook my faith greatly. So glad I came across your channel, Trevor.