Turbo 07K Build - Part 9 (Porsche 944 5 Cylinder Swap)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The hard work paid off! We made silly power from a $300 junkyard engine, even surpassing a modified 6.0 LS! We are super pumped and couldn't have done it without Performance Electronics and our tuner David. Get your swap today!
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PT and DP approve of this build!! Thanks for the love guys.
LOL I didn't know my voice was that high. But I will happily admit y'all made some sweet jam on 20psi. Nice work, fellas!
Hahaha, that’s because he’s just a baby!
That is the engine that the 944 should've always had.
Agreed!
What engine is this
@@HeyhitmeBAM 07k, a 5 cylinder Volkswagen/Audi engine.
When he described the way the power band is infinite haha!! I got a stock 07k and i can relate... They shift way high even stock
07k for the win. Awesome build guys. You have opened the world for the 07k potential. Love you guys. Thanks for everything you guys have done so far. Look forward to the future.
that powerband, jeeeez
I don't even know what to say Mike. Fantastic numbers, fantastic car, cannot wait to build my engine. Sweet LStang too!
Thanks!!!
I can't effing wait to get mine built. Great job guys!
Thanks Tony! We are ready to get to work when you are!
Glad you checked that wiring! That was one of the big things I was harping on in my fuel video.
Thanks for putting the 944 back on the Dyno!! It's gonna be a blast! I love that torque curve!!
Thanks for the tip!
That car is a thing of pure beauty my friend. Nice job. Incredible.
Thanks!
keep it up! this build is badass! saving up pennies to build my own one day
Thanks! Happy to help whenever you decide to dive in!
Love it... need more on your 944’s 👍
Lots more to come!
I want a ride...also Dan's car looks great in person, but it looks spectacular on camera. Wowza! Oh and congrats with your dyno-thingy.
Hahaha, thanks buddy
This has been a great build. Got me looking for another 944. My son has a really nice 240SX convertible with a blown engine. The engines for the these 240's are cost almost as much an replacing the car. This would be a great swap for it as well.
Thanks! We are actually considering an 07K swap in our buddies time attack 240SX!
@@BoostBrothersGarage I'll keep my eyes open for it. 👀👍
I would buy that kit
Makes me want to turbo my JSW 2.5. Great swap & build guys!
Thanks!
Legendary Muscle engine is the LS
Legendary JDM engine is the 2JZ
Legendary Euro engine is the 07K
In the tuner scene at least.
Legendary euro engine is the AAN. You can thank the Audi Sport guys with the S1, IMSA GTO and 200 trans am all running with all aluminium 5 cylinder back in the 1980's.
These cars are still running today.
@@HuckThis1971 I will now proceed to learn about these engines
@@cartermackenzie1135 the AAN can take 450hp stock. 600 hp with upgraded connecting rods then sky is the limit with piston upgrade.
I really wish someone made a 07k swap kit for the b6 a4 platform. This is my dream swap
Wonderful build!! Cheers from California
Thank you!
I’ve gotta say guys, that is seriously impressive.
It’s just a shame that we don’t get the 07K in the UK in anything other than the RS3 or TTRS.
Good news there! The guys at JAAATT Engineering are actively importing and supporting 07K’s in the UK! There’s even an UK 07K Facebook group now!
If you complete a good show/track build and get it on the right review channels, I can see this kit taking the 944 from the runt of the Porsche litter to a desirable base to modify.
We are working on that! The widebody car is going to be pretty wild.
Might be valve float, boost pushing the valves open , maybe some upgraded springs
Dayum. That's some spicy power.
Looking forward to seeing some videos of this thing Ripping down the street!!!!
Soon!
@@BoostBrothersGarage I'm tapping my foot expectantly...
Hahaha
Interesting engine swap. Nice work and the 944 has got the power which fits to his appearance !! 👍👍👍 Wonder how it's driving now. 🤔🤔🤔
Congrats guys, what a journey!
Thanks Ty and thanks for all the support!
It sounds heavenly
can't wait for track test vids
Soon!
Sounds glorious 👌🏾
Thanks!
Would love to see you send it in a few weeks at MCR! Nice power! Looks to be a very strong setup.
Thanks! Still determining if we are going to be able to make it!
Bigger wastegate can also improve flow on the top end. Back in the 80's F1 cars would run multiple huge gates to allow top end flow without sacrificing spool time
Good point. I would think a 38mm would be big enough but something to look into.
@@BoostBrothersGarage love the build. For verification of turbine restriction add a pressure gauge on the exhaust manifold just before turbo. Pressure preferably 0.75 to 1x boost, if your in that zone then not an issue. If your running 1.25 to 1.5x then bigger waste gate or turbine for sure. HP Academy shows a nice EMP setup rather than me detailing here.
Something we are absolutely looking into. Thanks for the info!
Awesome video! Full of great information!
Thanks!
Boost Brothers Garage 👍 Impressive HP numbers! Mustang was pretty cool to see also.
Love his Mustang! He tracks the crap out of it too.
Yes, send it!
There was some Audi motor too memory that had a 5 cylinder motor that was run in a 962 that made 1000 hp
3B, ABY, ABB. The old 80's and 90's Audi 5 cylinders
Are you going to put together comprehensive swap instructions? It would be great to have something that walks through an 07K rebuild and swap using your kit.
We are working on instructions now! We hadn’t planned on doing instructions for an engine rebuild as they are available elsewhere but we will be doing rebuilds on the channel.
@@BoostBrothersGarage yeah I'm waiting on a swap guide to build the confidence to try and do it myself
The Speed Academy skit 🤣 I hope they see that
Haha, DP watches occasionally. They are one of our favorite channels!
I appear to have lost some weight and grew some hair! If only this was real life...
@@BoostBrothersGarage oh an your buddy Dan's Mustang is siiiiiick. Beautiful build, love the wheels he went with.
Thanks! He’ll appreciate that. He tracks the heck out of it too. Now if only we could get him to put a Ford motor back in it!
Javad approves your shirt 👕
yusssss "I got tha powaah"
5>8
Outstanding!!!!!
Thanks!
Shirt clearly says /Ze•ro Thrē för Mo-tar-sport/
Proceeds to say oh three four😂😂
We just took the Porsche out for a drive and it was crazy........ But we're not going to show you that
Wtf
I am late to the game on this as I just saw it, but it is possible it isn't a turbo issue. The heads/ cams may be out of efficiency range and may not be able to flow enough/ properly to make power beyond a certain RPM. I've seen drop offs like that where larger turbo swaps still do the same. A lot of the modern 4 cylinder turbo cars do that. Like the Fiesta ST/ Focus ST. No matter what turbo and fueling, peak power remains essentially the same RPM with drop offs. Great set up though! That's a hell of a build!! I bet it's a blast to drive!
Pretty sure it’s just the factory cams
hi, I have wondered about the swapped and it also fit in a Porsche 924
Hey Guys, nice work.
By the way, I have a nice 944 T race car you are familiar with that makes even more power for sale at a great price.
Thanks Craig! Can’t believe your car hasn’t sold yet. Somebody is going to get a ridiculous deal!
22lbs of boost?? It wont be long before you're looking for another engine for that car. Max I would run is about 14 lbs which should yeild about 350 hp and 275 ftlbs of torque. From an engine logevity standpoint shifting at 6600 is PERFECT for this engine JMHO, especially if you plan on using this as a track car. PS was anything done with the timing???
22 was just for some fun on the dyno, we are rolling it back to 16 for the street and 18 for the track. This has a stand-alone ECU and custom tune.
yay
how much did it cost to upgrade the engine? I'm thinking about making my mk5 Jetta a sleeper, need to see how big of a loan I'm going to have to get lol
I wish you guys would make a k series swap kit!
We considered it! They are pretty tall and wouldn’t fit in an OE way like the 07K does.
@@BoostBrothersGarage hmm.. Mauve tilt the engine to 60 degrees 🤔🤔or make a custom subframe that sits the engine lower
The ladder at 10:31 though
Hahaha, poor jump cut placement 😂
What about getting a holset turbo? A hx35 or hx40 and see what it does. Apparently cheap to buy and rebuild, but I have no first-hand knowledge/experience with that
Great minds think alike: ua-cam.com/video/gRmZJxbq8CI/v-deo.html
Dont know if it was said anywhere but is this on pump-gas?
Edit: How big was the housing on the Garret turbo also?
It is! 93. The hot side is .92 T3
Hey, I only JUST started watching your videos on the 944 with the 0k7 swap/turbo build. I am really curious what trans you are running. I have an '83 bmw. I was planning on doing an m3 swap on, but I am loving the 0k7 swap and think I might go that way, SO yea, I was just wondering what trans set up you had so I can look into it further for my build. Thanks! And keep up the awesome work!
Hey there, thanks for stopping by! On this swap we are running the factory transmission but it is a rear mounted transaxle. For your application you would most likely want to run an Audi 01E transmission, although we are developing the components to run a Ford T5 behind the 07K as well.
@@BoostBrothersGarage Would the T56 be too big? I like 6 gears. Does the 01E have issues since its got the drive shaft inputs on the side?
@@pacoflyer the 01E requires way too much work for a standard front engine rear drive application. It works for the 944 because the 944 is a rear mounted transaxle. A T56 will not easily adapt to an 07K as uses a front mount starter that interferes with the block
I know that this car is not build for drag racing, but will you guys ever take it down the 1/4 mile?
We are going to some 60-130 and half mile testing. The transaxles really don’t like hard launches so 1/8 and 1/4 mile is tough. Trap speed would be nice to see though.
Just soft launch👍
awesome video! is this with the same 550cc injectors as the NA car and are u using the IE fuel rail on the turbo car?
Thanks! The NA car was running factory injectors. We’ve got 630’s on this car. I don’t think 550’s would be enough. It is the IE rail, mainly so we could bring the fuel line in from the back. It’s a nice piece!
@@BoostBrothersGarage awesome keep it up! shocked how much power it put out on stock bottom end!
3:45 not gonna lie though, that is one fine N/A engine, too!
If I ever need to chuck out the old Bosch KE-Jetronic in my 5-cylinder Audi, I'll come knocking on your door ;)
BTW, how does the turbo 07K compare to the 944 Turbo inline-4 with regards to weight and COG when you include the respective ancillaries?
5:14 gotta say, when you remove all that plastic cover crap from modern engine bays, at least sometimes a gorgeous engine is revealed!
7:08 - dumb question probably, but why can't it be the cold side? I was thinking maybe some intercooler choke-spot.
The 07K is lighter and sits further back in the engine bay. It definitely improves the weight distribution!
The cold side is possible but not very likely due to using 2.5” intercooler piping and a 3” core intercooler. I guess the throttle body could be a touch small but shouldn’t cause it to die off like that. Factory cams may be a part of the problem!
@@BoostBrothersGarage Thanks for the detail, man, much appreciated. Sounds like the perfect swap! And yes with that beefy intercooler, I retract my idea! Good luck eeking out that last bit! What a sound :-O
Any time!
@@BoostBrothersGarage cams were my thought too, I seem to remember Hank saying the stock cams weren't much good past 6500 or 7k. Could be a combo problem.
And damn near a 50hp difference between dynos... that's more than I thought it would be.
10% between dyno’s, I think that’s about right. The Mustang dyno is better for tuning because it can properly load the car down. The DynoJet is an inertia dyno. Cams weren’t an issue at lower boost, it made power to 7500. But, it could very well have become a restriction as airflow increased.
What fuel? We have some interesting 07K content coming as well.
93! Nice, we’ll have to check it out.
@@BoostBrothersGarage 93 impressive. Nice work 👍
Did you have any issues regulating boost with this manifold? My 38mm gate seems to have issue with it now that i opened the exhaust.
Not so far. We have run up to 22psi and didn’t see any issues. We are using an electronic boost controller as well though.
smh....(speechless)
wow
Hahahaha
what car did you pull the 07k out of? and what valve cover is that? love the channel, starting my 07k golf build soon.
Thanks! We sell the valve cover on our website, it’s a custom low profile version from iAbed. This engine was out of an 08 Jetta
When are we gonna get to see this out on the road ripping it?
Soon! Finishing up the driveability tuning and getting it ready for a track event in October.
Yo I want one.
I've had a couple of 07A's in the past so have a bit of a soft spot for these. What size and configuration of exhaust are you running post turbine... may be a way to help with the TQ drop off without changing turbo.
Running 3.5” from the turbo all the way back with a MagnaFlow muffler. Considered dropping the exhaust at the downpipe but doesn’t seem like 3.5” would be a problem
Yeah, no doubt turbine hot side would make a significant difference but would be interesting to see the difference made on the dyno by dropping the exhaust at the downpipe as you suggested. LR had significant gains on a fairly stock 951 S at 16 psi boost using a 4" exhaust even though it seemed to be mostly 3.5" with the final section at 4". I think the pressure wave builds along the length of the exhaust which is why there can be gains in a tapered or even stepped exhaust.
Anyway, I've really been enjoying following this so thanks for all your posts and videos and the tremendous effort in making all this happen - keep up the good work!
Thanks! We with drop it to see what happens!
When are you going to get the holset on your 944? Shouldn't have the same top end issues???
Not sure yet? We may be building the engine to handle a much larger turbo. I have an extra engine I am trying to talk PE into letting me strap to the engine dyno. If I can make that happen i want to do a number of tests, to destruction, and with different turbos
Is this an endurance based engine tune?
Or is it for making highway pulls and quarter mile passes?
We built and tuned it for road courses. We tuned in VVT and made the torque curve come in early and stay strong until red line. Or when the turbine wheel chokes things haha.
Very cool, how are you supplying oil to the turbo? Are you using the oil galley on the front of the cylinder head?
We are!
@@BoostBrothersGarage Awesome, I'm building a 2.5 right now and didn't know where to get the feed from. I bought your billet oil filter block, it's a very nice piece. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! Yeah the head is the easiest spot. Happy to help with any other questions you have. Thanks for your business!
Jeez y'all! Y'all can't hear it detonating from 12:13 ??
Where are you guys located? Would love this build on my 944 turbo
Cincinnati, OH. We are actually starting turn key builds now as well!
@@BoostBrothersGarage Like you find a donor car build it and sell it? Or you sell the Install this and ready to go?
Is this currently a built or stock motor? The NA 07K is full iron block, correct?
All stock internals at this point. Yeah, the NA 07K is iron block. Unfortunately the 07K EVO won’t work with our swap kit but it’s still prohibitively expensive anyway. I think the last 07K EVO I saw for sale was like $18k
@@BoostBrothersGarage Very interesting that the NA O7k is iron block. Did they even have a reason to make it iron in the first place? Im certainly not complaining, much better for power options. Anyways, keep up the amazing work.
I’m sure it was purely for cost savings. Thanks!
That LS is seriously underpowered. Need to toss that VVT cam and get another cam. He can easily hit 450RWHP with a 6.0
When sourcing an 07k for a turbo build what should I look for?
I generally suggest 08-10 engines. You can get them on eBay with around 100K miles for $300 shipped.
@@BoostBrothersGarage would you say that they are still pretty reliable ? Even with 100k miles?
@@BoostBrothersGarage and what about the newer motors like 2012-2014?
@@BoostBrothersGarage also are y’all planning on upgrading the transaxle ? I’m doing research and I’m not sure if the stock can handle the power I’m trying to make
Your looking to sell the 944
What internals is it running
Stock for both
💪💪💪💪👂👂👂
450 hp
This was on stock internals? How well has it been holding up since?
No issues so far!
Stock motor?
100% stock long block.
I love the 07K but go turbo a lsx and then you will really shit
444
zamn...
“Made silly power from a $300 engine”
After putting over $7000 into it and god knows how many hours. Lol, ffs, vendors and their short term advertising
what ecu is it running?
Performance Electronics PE3-8400
www.boostbrothersgarage.com/products/07k-standalone-ecu-swap-harness-package
Thanks guys, are you running on a MAF or a MAP? sorry about all the questions, I’m trying to get everything ready to turbo my VW golf that has a 07k.
No worries! Just a MAP. I try not to use a MAF if at all possible
Boost Brothers Garage ok perfect mine is a map from factory, why do you try to avoid maf?
It is a restriction and in my experience more prone to having issues. It can offer a bit better drivability but I prefer to keep things simple and reliable wherever possible!
Whats the cubic inches
151.4 ci
Boost Brothers Garage Sweet
Thank you
10% shit. When you order a swap kit with no car?
Was this all wheel power and torque, or do you have some numbers for engine horsepower and torque?
This was wheel. Typically with a manual transmission car you are looking around 15% drivetrain loss. I’m guessing we are around 535 hp and 450 tq at the crank.