Unboxing a new old stock CRT in 2022 - Sony Trinitron KV-PG14P10 TV
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Managed to get my hands on a new old stock Trinitron so let's open it up and take a look.
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0:00 Intro
1:14 Unboxing
5:55 First power on
7:05 Geometry and convergence
10:11 Let's open it up
16:27 User adjustments
18:57 Convergence after a few hours
19:29 Service menu adjustments
21:54 Future plans
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I worked for Sony in the UK at their manufacturing facility at Bridgend in the late 80's and specifically worked as an electrical technician in the tube making plant on breakdown maintenance of the plant.
I'm going to comment as I watch the video and the first thing to me (11:50) as it's a later generation is that the anode is underneath the tube, not on top. I think your warning of voltages is not strong enough, the tube can kill you with the power off from stored static, I did an electronic apprenticeship and had many static shocks from b/w monitors removing the anode where the power supply would have been about 14KV, about the same as car HT ignition systems at that time. The big tubes had 36KV plus as the anode voltage and enough current to kill you so boys & girls don't do this at home. ( at 25KV vacuum tubes start emitting x-rays the same as a medical x-ray machine and that's why the front panel (screen) is so thick with leaded glass).
An anecdote, some tubes didn't pass the final line testing (done by a human at that that time) and so would be then tested in a single offline jig by a more experienced operator who's main tool was a rubber mallet, I kid you not. I'm digressing sorry, but sometimes the robots hadn't fitted the aperture grill correctly into the front panel glass supports so by hitting the the front panel or from the side the operator could seat the AG properly. There were a lot more rubber mallet procedures. Sorry for digressing but the offline test machine the operator had to insert the anode by hand and fit DY coils etc (power off) and so I was standing behind the operator testing a tube with a fitter on my shift and the anode fell out and the fitter went to re insert it and he had a huge electrical shock and in his words 'it got me before I grabbed it (the anode)'.
14:00 the electron gun (plus the front panel) were what made the tube, also Sony used very high quality components and their TV's had an average lifespan of about 13 yrs which was pretty good considering high voltages were involved.
15:46 apologies for jumping the gun
19:30 probably electrolytic capacitors drying out slowly after having no voltage put on them for so many years and you're also lucky to be able to adjust things in the digital world compared to when I knew these tubes.
It's 2:30 am so have to sign off, last thing from me I stopped working for Sony before they started making totally flat screens, straight vertically and curved horizontally. One last thing, after the physical air evacuation there was a 'getter' process where a chemical reaction exploded removing more air (down to 10 to -9 tor air molecules being 10 miles apart ..) but the tube was a bomb until the front panel had been banded ( so many explosions during this phase) and then they went through about 250KV ac & dc across the tube to blow up any particulate remains.
apologies for the novel, surprised I remembered so much from nearly 40 yrs ago.
Very interesting history, thanks for sharing!
Hi Paul, you should consider doing an interview with Rob with RetroRGB or other, your historical insight would be very invaluable to this community! Thanks!
@@wormbagged ok will look him up, cheers
This is immensely interesting, thank you!
I had this tv back in th day and plays lot of nes games but never seen how snes games looks in crt tv because snes is not available in my country that time. So I take feel how it looks snes games in crt 😅.
I miss CRT’s. The motion was just so crystal clear. Even in this brief footage of Super Mario World, you can pause it and it doesn’t look like a smeary mess like with LCD.
I have it, was my cousin's when we were young and used to play ps2 and watching DVDs on it
I just found a 32 inch Sony Trinitron someone threw on the curb during a recycling event.
Composite looks so dang good on my snes I bought, I am impressed. I bet it would look even better with S Video or Component if I had the cables.
First I need an SD2Snes or something though
Its always a feeling of "cool" when someone opens new old stock! Especially technology.
My dad brought this for me as a reward when I was in grade school. I am now studying and soon to be graduating in a university soon and this thing is still working pretty well. I only use it when I play old school game consoles such as SNES, NES and PS1 for a better nostalgia factor.
14 inch trinitrons are usually deep because they have 90º deflection, larger sets used 110º so the larger ones are proportionally shorter.
I discovered your channel when I tried to learn how to fix a 1084 and since then I'm happily coming back to watch more and havent' t been disapoointed. Keep up the good work!
I own a Magnavox 14 inch crt TV (still works) that I paid $599.99 in 1986. I don't regret it.
Very nice TV, always love to see when some of these NOS ones get into the hands of passionate CRT enthusiasts! Nice video, thank you very much for going into this much detail on the small Sony.
CRT-Monitor's are never die! :D
Lovely, interesting and relaxing. Seeing "behind the scenes" was fascinating. Also what Travis Parker said about the magnetic field and southern TVs are upside down!
Genius!
I had a 1992 Trinitron 14 inch television.I really miss that television.
I am always amazed with what NOS goodness is floating around out there. I am a bit surprised that this CRT did not have an S-Video input, but as you mentioned it was a cost reduced design. An RBG mod would be cool, though -- make it happen! ;)
So bright, it makes me sad to know how much many crts have lost over the years
Congrats on the acquirement of this gem man. Looks amazing 👏
Thanks, wait until you see the RGB mod
Cool! I remember we had the 21" version of that TV (or a similar model) in the main bedroom of one of the flats I grew up in, then my dad later gave it away to make way for a plasma TV when we were moving.
Thete is just one special thing about all that: you'r oily finger prints are made on all surface on all things you touch.
This is just wonderful.
I had the same exact TV. I kept it it in the back room for the animals, it was on 24x7 for almost 10 years, it never had a problem and the picture always looked great.
Nice, then there's hope for this one
Awesome video , what a great find 👌👌
It's gorgeous!
For a second I thought they were releasing new CRTs. Man. Bummer. My CRT looks to be on its last legs, but my retro consoles will be hooked up till it’s end.
Thanks for posting this! Now I can see that a couple of things I thought to be issues with my consumer Sonys are in fact factory defaults :).
Tubes have to be designed to compensate for the earth's magnetic field, and that is flipped in the southern hemisphere vs. the northern. Some CRTs were made for the southern hemisphere, but Sony put northern hemisphere tubes in southern hemisphere sets by just flipping them upside-down!
That tube is a long boy because it is a 90-degree deflection, and that is why the convergence and geometry is so good. 110-degree tubes are harder to align.
There's an interesting anecdote about this, although I don't know if it's true. Back in the 80s and 90s, Bang & Olufsen were making TVs that were very slimmed down, following the contours of the CRT. This however meant they'd have to put a bump on the cabinet over the EHT connection. To work around this, they had Philips supply them with CRTs made for the Southern Hemisphere so that they could put them in upside down in sets sold in Europe and the US.
@@Zacabeb They sure did. MX series if I recall.
Fascinating - I had no idea. Thanks for sharing!
really cool
Engineering & Math
I bought one of those new from David Jones. Well it was bought for me as a kid we still have it but have not used it for years. I remember the wall of CRTs sitting on large shelving to carry the weight. Good times
With a bunch of retro consoles.
That's a beautiful set. I've never seen a Sony with the anode cap set on the bottom side. Very interesting and thanks for showing all of it.
Most Sonys in Australia are like that
This is cheap generic crt with composite video and mono sound. Nothing noteworthy.
@@Psych0technic It's a sony trinitron, which is not a generic CRT. it is a basic, low cost crt yes, but it is a quality one.
@@amac203 agreed, Sony didn't make generic crt's.
I still own a Magnavox CRT tv that has dvd and vcr from 2003. I purchased it in college and it still works.
Super cool find! I like 14 inch crts as they are easy to move around (especially in my small house!)
Wow, hearing secret of mana start up brought back some great memories.
If you ever plan to play it again, there's a link to the ROM patch I'm using in the video description that adds plenty of features and bugfixes to the game
Man, I would pay retail circa 2003 for that TV, I'm guessing these days probably more. Perfect size for me, congrats man
Nice. I want one of these for my old consoles.
Amazing how far we've come from this to Oled's that are 5 millimeters thick. Science and engineering are incredible 🤩
No throw a beer mug at both. Or try to boot it up with the interwebs down. Engineering to the top. As a screen tech OLED is nice, but all around it, especially software, but also casing, is 100% junk.
Very informative video thank you so much
The fact he synchronized the CRT refresh with its camera shows he knows some stuff hehe
how?
Nice! 👍
Tune it to a digital set top box for a signal and enjoy. You can still do that. I have an old Sharp 51cm crt from 1996 and a set top box for hi-def digital and can actually watch it if one of my LCD TVs gives up the ghost.
Great video! i have just subscribed to your channel!
Awesome.
Nice video sir my childhood memory sony trinitron tv and sony walkman❤️❤️❤️
Shot, I still have my 27in Sony Trinitron CRT TV. I spend only 20 bucks a few years back lol
Nice catch! i have the 29" version for playing my old 8 and 16-bit games :-)
Oh noes it was fake news.. I have a KV-29FX30E.. But it should be from the same Time. I have RGB-Scart since its a model from Germany and the TV has Multinorm Pal, Secam& NTSC... I dont think it has JP21-Scart support -i cannot test it due to lack of jp21-consoles. 😞
I really appreciate the fact, that I live in the EU, where even the crapiest TV of the 90's and 00's always has at least one Scart connector. Really this is a surprise for me that Wega has only RCA inputs, such a shame. Anyway great indepth video!
AMAZING
In Brazil some new ones appeared, I bought one in the box model KV21FS140, very happy with a new CRT in 2022
where i can buy one? im from Uruguay :D
@@sos.gamers Well I bought one of the last ones here in Brazil, they were in the federal revenue apprehension warehouse, I think there is one on the free market but the shipping is very expensive.
@@KermitSapo32 En Mercadolibre???
Analog tuner: PAN AMERICAN STANDARD TV / CABLE: NTSC-M, (Peru, Chile, Colombia, etc.) PAL-M (Brazil) and PAL-N (Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay)
Good model Kermit, hope you enjoy it!
Love this TV. Have one sitting right behind me as I type this which I've had since new. It's running NFL Blitz on a PS2😎
Best geometry I've seen on a flat screen
In the summer of 2020 I bought the '21 inches Sony Trinitron from 1993 made in Great Britain. I bought it less than 10$. It has faulty PAL decoder so it showed only black and white image. But everything else worked great.
I love crt tv's there's so much spunk to them
Nice good video 😊
Like and subscribed.
El unboxing más excitante que he visto en los últimos 20 años.
I had a big 27 inch same model. It was the future back then.
Yeah crazy to think that even 20" seemed huge in the pre 2000s
i just unboxed a brand new magnavox from a storage unit from 1995. its a 27" and wouldnt even fit in my car without taking the box apart LOL. it was a pretty cool find. not a great television but it looks pretty good!
I had this in black great TV
Something I didn't mention yesterday, after certain parts of the process the tubes would be highly charged statically (sometimes even smashed tubes even still had some static charge) and the overhead conveyors were like ski lifts so if we had to remove them because of a breakdown we would discharge them to earth, there were a few times we got caught out and involuntarily chucked the tube and shouted 'EYES' even though we wore safety glasses at all times. A small tip if you regularly work on crt's, clip an earth to your terminal screwdriver before you prise the anode out, don't be afraid of discharging a tube by earthing, it was a standard procedure for us at that time.
And also always make sure the power is 'OFF' unless you're trained, for me it's the biggest mistake non trained people make. I check with a multimeter before I put my fingers anywhere.
My controller of choice for the SNES as well. I love it
Awesomeness. For the convergence issues, I noticed the set has some strips installed. They may have creeped over time. I'd try tweaking them slightly because the convergence isn't too terrible. The strips may just need a tweak.
Good idea. I think the yoke is also slightly tilted so possibly a few things have changed over the years. I'll get back in there and make some adjustments soon
Cool.
congratulations. The tv is beautiful.
Make more videos unboxing and showing others Tvs Sony Trinitron.
:D :D
I wish analog sets were still made. I know it's not realistic and yes they can be heavy, bulky but they're so pretty.
Hey! you are going to need those rabbit ears they pick up good white noise, because ghosts need love too!..
IIRC, 2003 was in the middle of the capacitor plague. To double check, I just looked it up on Wikipedia. The capacitor plague supposedly lasted into 2007. If the convergence continues to worsen, I would suggest performing a recap on that TV. I'm not sure if Sony would have gone that far to reduce cost, but it's a possibility.
Hmm good point. I might run it for a little while with the case off and monitor some temps with the thermal cam. If any of the caps have gone high ESR, I should be able to see them warm up
@@TheRetroChannel We lost so many electronics from the fake cap scam. I would just assume anything from this ear was plagued; change them.
Capacitor plague never ended.
I would say it's more likely that Sony had started using cheaper components as the Trinitron patent had run out and were competing with the likes of Mitsibushi making diamond black trinitron tubes.
I've dreamt about lucking into something like this! Good for you 👍 EDIT: disappointed that there are no RGB [SCART] or Component or S-Video inputs 😕
thanks sony for shipping tvs at full volume at the analog channel
daaang, I have a 32 inch Trinitron just like this but I wish I had this smaller one, it looks sooo good.
In the UK we were blessed with RGB Scart, which has now become a popular mod in North America. We did have to settle for 50hz compared the North American 60hz, but RGB Scart is just much better than RF, Composite, or S-Video.
It was a strange time. I was lucky enough to obtain a B&O Beocenter1 which had RGB Scart and 60hz support in the UK, and I modded my consoles to run in 60hz. The ultimate experience.
In the 80s, the Sony TVs imported into Australia did have RGB Scart as those were made in the UK. Sometime in the early 90s, the TVs were imported from Asia and they only had composite and S-Video on the larger sets. It was definitely painful for console gamers.
5:04 that is absolutely exemplary
I don't even know where to start looking in my country to find something like this.
Just imagine having 7 brand new fw-900's and knowing that for at least 70 years you will always have a unique monitor working perfectly.
Very wishful thinking there
@@TheRetroChannel A man can dream. I still mourn my phillips 22", a heavy 130khz monster that wasn't appreciated at home.
Would you like it for 4k usd?
Hard to find these anymore. Craigslist ads for CRTs have dried up, and Goodwill doesn't sell them anymore. I got a few, but I'd like to get another to ensure I never run out in my lifetime. I couldn't imagine playing retro games on hd tvs, Trinitron is the best as far as connectivity goes.
Hey man. I found your channel and i watched you open up this tv. It gave me an idea id like to share with you if your interested. There seems to be no UA-cam videos of anyone getting there hands on a hotel tv. You know when you go to a hotel and they have those special TVS that don't have any inputs on them. So you cant plug in your own stuff, kind of forcing you to use there services. Anyways I would be thrilled to see one of those opened up for the first time. I'm surprised this hasn't been covered yet on UA-cam. Hopefully one day you can pursue this somehow. Would love to see inside a hotel TV just to see how all that works.
All the hotel TVs I remember seeing did have inputs but they were sometimes disabled in software. Most TVs have a hotel mode that limits their function and is enabled or disabled by a key combination on the remote control.
I managed to break out of hotel mode when I was staying at a place a couple of years back, and got access to all the channels available at the hotel, including the "adult entertainment" ones. Unfortunately I couldn't figure out how to get back into hotel mode before I left, so the next person who stayed there may have got more than they bargained for when they flicked through the channels
At least with larger Trinitrons of that era (27") the service menu controls can improve old consoles. Their chroma processing can worsen the composite garbage around color changes.
had a chance for a new 24” Panasonic but I passed up on it. Thought 80 USD was a lot in 2017. Lol
I feel like this ones the perfect size
It's cool how the convergence changed from perfect from the factory in an hour of warm up.. Was it the components or maybe a convergence strip moved due to failed adhesive, or both?. This is why leaving a crt on at least an hour before making adjustments is mandatory.
I'm hoping it's just a convergence strip as that shouldn't be too difficult to reposition
Don't miss those days
A silver Game Cube would look nice with this set .
I have the 21" version of that TV, good set. I RGB modded, it needs 2.5V on the BLK signal, anything higher and you get a black screen.
Thanks, yep I already worked out the RGB mod so that will be another video soon
Scored its big (55"?) brother in Savers for $20 - only problem was a tiny pink blob in the corner! Was great for gaming for a few years, aside from the bloody settings being zoomed in (making game GUI a bit hidden in some titles), no remote and AV plug somehow jammed INTO the shell, that cover lid jammed UP! 😂
Despite those flaws, $20 well spent for the Mass Effect trilogy and movies on a HUGE screen!
Oh my.. 😱
Speakers blown now 😆
Awesome video love it ! Can’t wait for the RGB mod.
One question the service menu is in 50 mode (love the fact you can set different settings based on 60 or 50) but the test suit you are using is NTSC , would that have any affect on anything?
Yeah, I should have used my NTSC SNES to adjust the overscan. The PAL SNES does squish the image vertically even when running the NTSC test suite. I'll address that in the RGB mod video
Regarding the possibility of an RGB mod, I have a Sony Trinitron that looks quite similar internally (for obvious reasons) and I was able to use some unpopulated points on the board to RGB mod it - points I think I see on your board too!
There are a couple rows of unpopulated throughholes with boxes around them on the screenprint. Mine was even quite helpfully labelled with RGB, etc.
If it's like mine, it's an unpopulated input for a teletext board, which is much cleaner as an input point than tapping into the Jungle chip directly!
Side-note: Ace choice of game! Secret of Mana has been an all-time fave since I was just a kid; still got my original copy. 💖
Thanks, yeah it is likely the same as yours. There's a unpopulated Teletext connector, and then it's just a case of replacing a couple of resistors. Just waiting on parts to arrive.
Yeah SoM was one of the first games I played on the SNES, and still go back to it today. If you're interested there's a link in the video description to the romhack I'm using. But you'll need to either play it on an emulator or a get a flashcart if you want to play it on original hardware
NES and SNES should not be hooked up over RGB. Nintendo just stank at connectivity compared to SEGA, so stick to the bad picture quality forever ever after.
My grandma has a 23yr old trinitron and it has never been repaired since day 1. It runs everyday for almost 8-9hrs. From 5pm to 2am. Everyday for last 23yrs & it has not even burnt the crt. The image is slightly distorted probably cus some capacitors are definitely failing on it. She doesn't want to get rid of it or sell it . & I also do not want to upgrade her to lcd tv cus all modern TVs are android & it's hard for old people to use Android.
2002 time and only composite inputs, thought there would be at least S-Video. Guess here in the UK were were spoilt for input on TVs
Great video! I have one of those 14 inch Star Wars DVD combo CRT tvs. On the right the screen seems slightly cut off. Do you have any idea how to access the service menu and adjust the overscan? Cheers!
I'm really looking forward to the RGB Mods.
S-video should be very easy to add to this model. Simply by adding a few missing resistors/caps and enabling it in the service menu.
The thing to do is to look up similar models, like maybe a 20" or 24" version, and seeing how s-video is connected to the jungle. It's very likely using the exact same chassis and you just need to add components to the correct spots on the board.
There's an s-video mod thread on Shmups forum where you can do some reading on this.
I already looked into it and did some testing. There are larger versions that use the same chassis but the only difference is they have stereo, but are still limited to composite only.
It seems the chroma input on the jungle is disabled, and the service menu doesn't have a way of enabling it. Best I could do was change the amount of AV inputs, but none of them allowed seperate luma chroma. Looks like I would need to inject my own data into the I2C bus and that's not worth it just to have s-video. Thankfully the RGB mod for this chassis is pretty straightforward
@@TheRetroChannel You don't need to inject I2C code, you just need to change an ID-X bit in the service menu. Usually ID-0 or ID-1. You just kinda have to try different values until you see the s-video input "turn on".
I did this on a kv-13fm12 by setting it to Video 1, then scrolling through values on ID-1
There is no ID bit on this set. It's a BG-2T chassis and uses a Philips TDA8843 jungle rather than a Sony CXA-XXXX. I've been through the service menu and changed everything related to optional bits and no dice. The Y/C inputs on this jungle are pins 10 and 11 IIRC and enabling the 2nd AV input allows composite to be fed into the Y input, but feeding in separate luma chroma just results in a black and white image.
And this was all after I lifted the chroma pin on the jungle. Even tried adding 75ohm termination to the chroma and inserting a 100nF cap in series made absolutely no difference. The image doesn't change at all no matter what I do with the chroma input, hence my assumption it must be disabled and no change in the service menu will enable it :-(
@@TheRetroChannel Oh, a Philips jungle chip. That is indeed a very different beast.
I was just thinking about the n64 anyway, that's the only console I can't think of that doesn't have either RGB or YPbPr output, since it sounds like you'll have RGB on the Sony set soon. But there are RGB mod for N64 for anybody that cares enough
OMG that's my grandpa's TV!!!
nice sony crt, we have to see this littel crt get RGB mode
I own Sony , 24", i still prefer it even i use it nearly 15 years
I bought a used Sony 28 inch widescreen Trinitron TV in 2009 for 50 bucks it was great for PS2 gaming but it fell and broke many years ago. I now just use a 14 inch of some unknown brand from around 2000 I paid 10 bucks for for retro gaming. I still think it is weird when I see CRTs without SCART. I remember bringing my European Dreamcast to Canada back in the day and wondering why it didn’t have SCART not realising that was a European standard. RGB via SCART looks great for retro stuff like the Mega Drive (Genesis for North Americans).
At least in Canada they have 60hz. Here in Aus we had no SCART and PAL slowdown.
😂😂😂 i love this Tv
3:49 Box-be-gone. I may hope you kept it!
I kept it
When we were kids, we woke up early every day to play video games but that's what happens and everyone in the house is asleep 😂😂 6:02
Haha. so true!
Sony Trinitron TV models sold in Saudi Arabia also have PAL SECAM NTSC TV TUNERS
Feels nostalgic 😢
Am searching for CRT COLOR TV Of VIDEOCON 📺.
The service menu on Sony TVs is a godsend. I wish my Mitsubishi had one (maybe it does, but I can’t find any info).
These TVs really need a PS1 or PS2 sitting in front of them.
My one of these if probably the sharpest composite CRT I have. Shrunk down to 14” really hissed a lot of sins from composite video.
I’ll get you to run me thru those adjustments again at some point.
Yeah, I really need to -burn- buy some PS1 games. Although I couldn't find an advert for this CRT, I did find some for the bigger Trinitrons from 02/03 where they were throwing in the silver PS2
@@TheRetroChannel do we also need to find a silver PS2 Fat?
Fk yeah we do!
I still use my 2007 Daewoo slim CRT TV
still want to have one of these TVs I love this kind of screens
where I can get one of those totally new?
Is it 4:3, or some other ratio?
When trying Mario World, at first (10:23) there are big black horizontal bars, but it's full screen at the end of the video. What changed?
Thanks :)
EDIT: Oh, I see, the Service Menu. I hope there is one on my 2008 Sony 19 inches lcd, I have big black bars on hdmi and the standard tv ratio options does not apply to the hdmi input for some reason.
The SNES has an odd aspect ratio, or should I say non square pixels which do not translate well to a fixed pixel flat panel display. Also the PAL SNES has extra horizontal stretch, or vertical squish which causes even more "letterboxing"
Great find but am surprised you only had.composite video and mono audio.My crt here in Africa has all inputs,rgb,s video,stereo audio and even monitor outputs!
RGB! RGB! RGB!. Nice CRT.