How Post-Punk Saved Punk Rock
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- This video is a deepish dive into the Post-Punk genre. We're taking a look at everything from Goth Rock to the more mainstream bands that we all know and love! Be sure to let me know who your favorite Post-Punk band is in the comments below and I hope you enjoy the video!
Spotify Playlist:
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:38 Where Are We After The Last Video?
02:12 What Is Post-Punk?
04:38 Where Is America At The End of Punk?
07:11 Where Is Britain At The End of Punk?
09:26 Bowie and Pop
11:05 Krautrock
12:06 Manchester Scene
17:31 Women In Post-Punk
21:17 Gang Of Four
22:42 Goth
27:27 Post-Punk In The Mainstream
30:57 Conclusion
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Hello All! Just wanted to correct something. In the video I state that the first Public Image album came out in 1979 when it in fact came out in 1978. I actually had it correct in my notes but must have misspoke. Metal Box did come out in 1979 however so that is correct.
It might also be important to mention Pere Ubu was releasing singles in 1975-three years before their first album. Very influential pre-punk post punk.
P.I.L.'s first album sounded totally like a Sex Pistols' album. The title song "Public Image" is a pure Sex Pistols' song.
No mention of KILLING JOKE? They were THE post-punk making a link between punk, goth, hardcore and metal.
They had just as big influence on industrial metal too
Killing Joke transcends most rock genres, can't really pin point what they are which makes them so good
They were in a league of their own. They are the true alternative to rock/pop music
I def agree that they should’ve been included in this video, their music is really good
The Chameleons are highly underrated and have never gotten the credit they deserve.
Was scrolling the comments to see if anyone would say the chameleons😊 the expanded editions of the first 3 LPS are amazing
HolyS$#%#$ another Chameleons fan dude totaly right , not even sarcasm
One of my favourite bands ever
Yup that was mine. Changed my life.
Because they kept changing. They were hard to rate.
So many GREAT Bands, it's hard to pick one: The Stranglers, Go Betweens, Magazine, XTC, Joy Division etc.... etc..... The one band that brought it all together for me was ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN.
Echo!! Forever!
Agreed, Echo and the Bunnymen is/ was one of the best bands of all time (of all genres) and no question the best of post punk!
Bauhaus. Daniel Ash is my all-time favorite guitarist. Love all of his work.
Ash is so prolific. I feel like he gets overshadowed by Murphy for obvious reasons but man…one of the best of all time
Love and rockets saw them at palladium in Hollywood
Daniel Ash also influenced my favorites from Japan: Buck-Tick, Imai on guitars and the late Acchan.
The influence of Reggae in Punk can be traced back to one man - Don Letts ☝🏽
He was part of the Punk scene, was the videographer for The Clash. But also DJ’d the Reggae sound systems in South London. Punk was always upbeat, but when they wanted something to “chill” to, they’d listen to Reggae. This gave rise to Two Tone & Ska-Punk
Thank you for adding this. This is important!
He was also the DJ at The Roxy.
Letts was the man, no doubt.
Paul Simonon had as much to do with it as Letts.
Fon let's was originally the DJ at first punk club the Roxy he used to play Reggae because until the Damned released New Rose single there was any punk records & Bob Marley was big punk fan hens song Punky Reggae Party
Alive at the time. We had post-punk before we even knew we had punk. That is to say, that what came to be called post-punk drew on influences that pre-dated punk or were already there in punk (but just didn't get that much commercial attention). Everything seemed so much more interesting than things are now. It was like the more things were repressed, suppressed, ignored, reviled, the more interesting the world actually was. You could even go back to the Residents as proto-post-punk, well before there was punk. I could really get into bands that tried to do more commercially--Wire, Gang of Four, Comsat Angels, the Sound, the Chameleons, the Pixies, and Fugazi.
Post-punk is an arbitrary term, because you can go and listen to Brian Eno's Third Uncle from 1974 and Leejol by Red Krayola from 1968 and they both sound like bands like Gang of Four and Bauhaus were doing in the late 70s
Santa Dog was a favorite Residents song in all its permutations
By far the best Post Punk and maybe the most influential band was Killing Joke. Funnily enough the individual members were probably more Punk in their attitudes and day to day lives than any Punk band before them. RIP Raven and Geordie.
With KJ everything sounded like the last song....repetition.
The Wire exists.
Oh thank God, 🙏🏾 someone who knows what they are talking about..!✌🏽
@@zackspaulding you've not been listening or you haven't heard much Killing Joke. They were simply exceptional between 1978 and 1981...
@@MrEwancThey also released their best album later in their career, 2003's crushing, masterful, self titled album. And even Jaz Coleman himself believes this.
goth and post punk is just so fun and eclectic. it definitely one of my personal favorite genres and on top of that it’s also super influential for a ton of bands. so glad that this umbrella of genres still has longevity in the current day
Really enjoyed this. Thank you for mentioning The Slits. The connection between punk and reggae are often overlooked, but it's critical. My favorite modern day post punk band is Home Front on LA VIDA ES UN MUS.
Love this video! My only thing is, I just wish people talked more about The Damned and their impact in both the OG punk and goth/postpunk scene, not to mention Dave Vanian’s influence on goth fashion. They really helped create the bridge between punk and goth alongside and even before bands like Bauhaus. I think they’ve had one of the most musically diverse careers from 1976 to 1986 and I hope you’ll cover them in a future video! 💜
The Damned are revered. this fella did a great job in this vid, but yeh The Damned was missed. They are in the canon in the Throne Room of the Punk Gods.
The other reason that reggae was so popular within the British punk scene was that there is a massive Jamaican community in the UK, and pretty much wherever you went in British cities, reggae was being played. It was a perfect socio economic and cultural bedfellow.
my favourite post punk band is killing joke but I also love the smiths, the cure, bauhaus, joy division, the talking heads and half man half biscuit (most underrated band of all time)
I’ve never heard of half man half biscuit before but I’ll definitely keep them on my radar 😂 all great picks!
@@JukeboxHistory Watch out or HMHB will put you "In a Suffolk Ditch". That's their most recent release, but If you love Eno, you'll get a laugh out or their "Eno Collaboration." Good video.
Loved the video! Would love to see The Chameleons mentioned in one of your videos.
Siouxsie is my queen and joy division and the smiths are my go to favorites. Dammit almost forgot talking heads
Siouxsie(1st band I saw live 1978) Joy Division(saw them 4 times 79/80) & the Smiths 😂 good but they were what was called in the uk as Indi same way as Flock of Seagulls/ orange juice etc you mentioning the Smiths is really funny
@@woody5831grow up.
Awesome work Mate, I grew up in a tiny town in NZ and love the fact that I was the first in that town to
have Unknown Pleasures, had to import it as no record stores would stock it, including The Fall, Gang of Four, Wire and Clock DVA.
The Birthday Party were also massive and "Sonnys Burning" (Bad Seeds) was why I bought drums with lawn mowing money at 13,
Excellent video will tune in to more, and keep bringing more wise council to those whom may not realise these bands
spawned some of what they listen to today, Cheers
That’s some dedication! Really cool that you worked so hard to listen to this music that wasn’t readily available. In the age of streaming we definitely take this stuff for granted but you can’t beat waiting forever to actually listen to an album and it delivering. Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
Great show. Well researched and presented. Will watch your other stuff soon. Please keep going with this.
Thank you so much!
I want to say that this is the most in depth and well made video on the history of post-punk on UA-cam. I know at this stage of your UA-cam career it’s gonna be hard to finish this series. From the bottom of my heart please do not stop making videos, you have a talent that few do. Love ya man and stay handsome!
Thanks so much!
Great video. A couple of bands I was surprised to see overlooked were Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend who were both huge parts of starting the Bat Cave, whats known as the first goth club. Interesting thing I learned from Trash Theory's recent video about New Order (also a great watch) is that Bono offered to replaced Ian Curtis in Joy Division. But New Order wanted to start something completely different out of respect to Curtis
Yea I would love to cover them if I do a full video on Goth! I’m glad you brought up the Trash Theory video since I just watched it the other day 😂 I can’t imagine New Order fronted by Bono. I think both U2 and New Order benefitted from not having him in the group
(By that I mean we got two awesome groups and great albums instead of just one)
Shit yeah. Southern Death Cult. Too. The Bat cave was absolutely essential.
dude! I love you contribution to the recording and compiling these under appreciated or under examined genres. Thanks so much, and please, keep it up. great work, and can't wait for the next one.
During the height of the pandemic, my mind got captured by Durutti Column. Something about the ways some of the music painted a picture really transfixed my imagination. I bought as many albums as I could find.
Good video.👍.
Some reasons for punk and reggae connections is Don Letts. He was a DJ and the Clash’s videographer. He spun a lot of reggae records at clubs a lot of the punks went to. You also have skinhead culture coming from Jamaica being absorbed by punks and influencing oi and ska genres.
Also Don Letts and mick jones from the clash then made big audio dynamite.
Ska, Rocksteady and early Reggae were already in England for nearly 10 years when the Clash formed, and many of those songs were hugely popular on the charts. One of Clash members was from Brixton where that scene was especially potent. Joe Strummer saw The Specials early on (formed about the same time as The Clash) and was hooked. The Specials were two tone ska that incorporated some punk into their sound. The Specials then opened for The Clash at some shows. I think those elements came before Don Letts.
A good overview and start of elaboration in further series of videos possibly 🙂 Thank you👍🏻
I did not hear/see mentioned, so, would also add The Sisters Of Mercy certainly, my personal favourite 🙂 Well-respected and very influential!☝🏻🙂
Keep it on going.
🎉 nice!!! Can’t wait for the next one and also especially stoked for the last one in the series!!! 🔥 lotta good music to check out in here that I didn’t know about THANK YOU 🖤🖤🖤
Thanks man 🤠 Glad you enjoyed the video!!
I always love your videos! Looking forward to the new wave one.
Thank you so much! Glad you’re enjoying the videos 🖤
Also yes I will die on this hill, U2's earlier work is iconic and very much belongs with the rest of these bands
A lot of information condensed into a small run time. Really well done. 👍 😊
So good seeing Youn Marble Giants getting some spotlight. Colossal Youth is one of my fav albums ever, no doubt.
Congrats on putting together a great program. I've heard so many people refer to the 2nd British Invasion as containing a lot of bands from the 70's, like Queen etc. I think that you hit the nail on the head with the early 80's New Wave / New romantics / Synth bands. That's what the 2nd always said to me. I'm a Brit that moved here many moons ago and remember visiting in the early 80's and seeing that the New Wave music was really big here.
Thank you for this and especially including sound clips. Many UA-cam primers don't include music (due to copyright strikes i guess) and seem incomplete. Your video was a breath of fresh air.
Two areas that were not addressed is the proto-Industrial stuff (Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Gary Numan, etc...) and what I refer to as 2nd wave Krautrock (Einstuzende Neubauten, Malaria, etc...).
Good chance of doing a proto-industrial and industrial video at one point. Good suggestions tho and thanks for watching!
This was great. Can't wait for the follow up!
Omg! This is such a perfect channel!!! wishing you all the success in the world I’ll be here in your journey!!!
Thank you so much! Appreciate the kind words ❤️
This is a truly stellar video! Concise, yet perfectly detailed.
The first three PiL albums are some of my faves.
This was great. Looking forward to checking out the rest of the series.
Glad to have you along for the ride! Thanks for watching
I'm 57 and, even if I was a "prog maniac" in the "end of the 70" /" begining of the 80", my week-end evening during tyhis time was to go to the goth bar of my little town in Québec (Saint-Hyacinthe) and dance on The Cure, Bauhaus, The Smith, PIL, Siouxies and the Banshees, Psychedelic furs or some etectro-goth hybrid like Skinny Puppy. Those were my best friday and saturday's evening of my life!
Nice! My club (all ages) was Numbers in Houston, playing all the artists you mentioned plus a lot of iconic New Order, Nina Hagen, Cabaret Voltaire and even more poppy stuff like Berlin pre their huge song. Amazing times 🎵 🎶
@@littlecatfeet9064in Orlando, we had Electric Avenue…on Friday it was teen night! The Cure, Soft Cell, Ministry, PIL, Killing Joke, Vicious Pink, etc…
Et 3AM, when the bar was closing, the last song was always La fête triste from the French band Tricomie 21 : ua-cam.com/video/Rfxf8PQi5B4/v-deo.html
During these years, and the 70 and the 60, it was permited to experiment, to try something defferent. Now, the musical industry only produce music like Burger King do food.
@@mariochabot7972 Unfortunately you’re right. I want to be open minded re new music, but it’s not as melodic, poetic or even danceable as the bands you listened to back in Quebec. I’m 54 and loved all the same bands.
Really great work on this. Good to see someone putting sections of that densely packed info in Simon Benson’s ‘Rip it Up…’ into an easily digested video chat. It’s such an excellent resource on the bands of the era.
I was there discovering all those bands in the late 70s early 80s, and it’s almost impossible to describe the sheer speed and volume of new music appearing. It was so exciting.
It must have been something to grow up during this time. Like you said I can only imagine how exciting it was! Thanks for watching
Great video! I'm surprised this isn't bigger than it is. It's well-researched and nicely summarizes and contextualizes a lot of connections I had made on my own.
Funny story: I listened to U2 a lot in the early 2010s, having stolen my mom's greatest hits CD. I became thoroughly obsessed and collected all their early albums. Circa 2020 I got very into post-punk and goth, so imagine my shock when the lightbulb turned on and I realized that U2's first three albums were straight-ahead post-punk (albeit with the characteristic U2 flourishes of uncertain Christianity and political idealism).
Also, maybe you talked about it in your previous video (which I haven't watched yet), but the Clash's London Calling feels like a very post-punk album to me. Sure, there's some straight-ahead punk, but also a lot more experimentation with different genres, classic post-punk nervous introspection on tracks like Lost in the Supermarket, and of course the title track's very foreboding tone and lyrics. I'm open to debate on this point, though.
Stranglers Black and White arguably the first post punk album.
Postpunk = Art-Punk!
As someone who’s new to your channel I really appreciate the time and effort that went into creating this wonderful trip down memory lane. Those of us who grew up listening to some of these bands often didn’t realise how influential many of them wound turn out to be.
Knowing this as already a longish video, a part II maybe in order as there are a number of influential acts which did not make the cut on part I. I’m thinking of outfits like The Clash, Adam and The Ants and The Boomtown Rats to name but a few.
Keep up the great work. Rock on!
It must have been something to grow up listening to these bands. They want on to do so many important things! Also the Clash I had put in the second video in the series and Adam and the Ants will be brought up in the New Wave video. Thank you for the kind words and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I accidentally discovered your channel today. Great video!
Thank you for the memories! Great sounds, great bands, great times! ❤️🙏🏻👍🏻
The Chameleons🖤🖤🖤
Great stuff and I honestly love that you start every video with hello handsome, i always smile
Everyone who watches my videos is handsome. That’s the law 🫡
You're good! Such knowledge and production quality 👏 as a long time post punk and especially goth rock enjoyer - this video was very pleasant and inspirational to watch. Gonna go listen to some 80s goth now, bye
As an old fart of long standing and a music fan of even longer, I would like to congratulate you on a thoughtful, interesting and idiosyncratic video. As a Brit my interest was always more towards the homegrown talent...Television notwithstanding, but you left out a few I would have liked to seen in there...Elvis Costello for the immediate post punk genre, he tends to be lumped in with the new wave, despite having more ideas and talent than the whole of the new wave combined... The Jam, and possibly Blondie sit somewhere in the middle of the whole sorry affair, and The Sisters of Mercy for the tail end of the deal. I have subscribed to the channel and look forwards to more thoughtful, thought provoking material.
One other reason for the attraction of punks in the UK to reggae music was because a lot of them had been young adolescents during the skinhead/suedehead/rude boy style cult era of the early 70s. These working class white kids listened almost exclusively to massive amounts of rocksteady and reggae from labels like Trojan, Studio One, and Blue Beat, and a lot of them went onto the punk scene half a decade later with reggae music already in their DNA. A great example is Don Letts, who had been a black skinhead in the early 70s (at this time skinhead ≠ neonazi), then during the punk era became the house DJ at The Roxy and was sort of a reggae liaison and tastemaker who produced for The Clash, and then by the post punk era played in both PIL and Big Audio Dynamite. Probably one of the most influential people you never heard of.
Aaaaand now I’m a thousand miles away from what I meant to talk about.
This was really well done, great job!
Thank you!
Great video! Glad to see someone reviewing this and related genres in the current era.
Thanks so much and thanks for watching!
Fantastic work my friend! I wanted to write you off as an American but you NAILED the history my brother! You may need to research Don Letts on the reggae and ska influence on punk 😎
I'm loving this series (watched out of order), having made my own playlists I could never decide how to categorise bands (new wave vs post punk in particular), makes a bit more sense now, thanks!
It’s really tough to draw the line with these groups sometimes and categorize them. As I’ve gotten into the series it’s become more apparent that these genres are difficult to pin down. Post Punk and New Wave are two that are notoriously tough to put in boxes but hopefully these videos did a decent job lol
This channel is genuinely fantastic.
Thank you!!
I love the new video style! 💜
Thank you so much!
As I'm watching this, a previous documentary about the punk movement said that the reason that punk bands used reggae and ska beats is that there weren't any punk records that early and that Don Letts would be the dj at the clubs all of these mopes hung out at and his record collection was heavily reggae. So reggae was essentially their soundtrack.
Yea it seems Don Letts was an important DJ in the scene. Will definitely have to dive into his history a bit more. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, I love this stuff. I lived through this period in a town where there was a small music scene and I played in some bands highly influenced by pretty much all the bands you mention. The other thing is how different those bands sounded from the music at the time. They sound old hat now but, at the time, nothing playing on the radio was like it and it was exciting.@@JukeboxHistory
Ok, 1st I wanna say really great job hitting most of the great notes of bands from the Post-Punk era. I use to know and hang out with members of Pere Ubu, who are from my hometown, as well as with Siouxsie Sioux and Budgie, Cocteau Twins, members of Bauhaus/Tones On Tail/Love & Rockets, and Gary Numan. Others that I would've place as important bands that either were Post-Punk or started as Post-Punk are Orchestral Maneuvers In The Dark, John Foxx era Ultravox, Tubeway Army (Gary Numan's band), Dead Can Dance (and not just because my voice can be heard on one of their live albums), Killing Joke, and my all-time favorite band, Cocteau Twins (who I would've added to the Gothic list for their 1st album, Garlands). Having said that, you did an awesome job. And big-time kudos for referencing Pere Ubu.
Oh wow that’s really cool! Cocteau Twins are fantastic and I actually did an early video on them that I’ve since taken down. Dead Can Dance are also such an interesting group and I’d like to give them their own video at some point. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching 🤠
Can’t wait to see you videos on new wave and hardcore punk. Great job on this video. What a fantastic and innovative time for music. I was born in 1980 and the 90’s were my teen years but I really love this era right before I was born.
It’s such a good era of music. It seems like a lot of the groups in the 90’s took after this era too so I don’t think you’re alone! Thanks for watching
your video is great, love your style and learned a lot from it, im looking forward to your other videos. also not sure if that shirt is from the same record store in wicker park but if it is then 👍👍👍
Thanks so much! Graveface Records is in Savannah, GA. Not sure if that would be in an area called Wicker Park honestly 😅
@@JukeboxHistory ahh i got you. there's a graveface records in chicago too, what a coincidence :)
brilliant doc keep it up, born in 1965 t his is my era. Dont forget John Peels radio one show influence
Fantastic video! Thank you!
The year of punk.
'Music is moving fast but there is one band that is ahead of the game the Stranglers. After the Sex Pistols they are the highest selling band in punk. It’s a scene they have an awkward relationship with as they have their own sound - a genuinely aggressive and totally original take on the form and oddly they never seem to get any credit for it.
They are now about to invent post punk.
The Stranglers are in Bear Shank Lodge in the snowbound Northants countryside writing songs for the third album. Their work ethic is astonishing. They have already released two two of the best selling albums over the last year and they are one of the biggest bands in the country.
They have also been ostracised by the press who claim they are too old - despite the Clash front man Joe Strummer having two years on their bassist, JJ Burnel.
They are the surly outsiders who gate crashed the party and instantly made a connection with Britain’s musically disaffected teens. The ‘experts’ had tried to deny their presence but the band were genuinely breaking all the rules and were getting the utmost respect for it from the new generation.
They also had the sound, the songs and the look.
They would become as influential as the Pistols or the Clash and paved the way for bands as diverse as Joy Division, the La’s or even the Stone Roses as well as signposting goth and , arguably, the ‘Black and White’ album they were working on that December was released in 1978 becoming the first post punk album.
These days post punk has been re-examined and re-evaluated with certain bands like the Gang Of Four getting suddenly elevated to godlike status with new bands who sound nothing like them - it’s sometimes good to look back and see who got in there first.
This was 1978 remember, punk was staggering and there was nothing else seemingly coming through. Joy Division were still in a formative stage, Public Image’s ‘Metal Box’ was not yet released it was the Stranglers that were leading the way.
While bands like Wire and Joy Division rightly get credit for taking punk into new areas it seems strange that the Stranglers. who were a far bigger and, in real terms, a far more influential band get left out of all the histories'.
John Robb
First timer; great job. My first gig was Siouxsie in 78, with McGeogh, the week they released “The Scream”. Big sis took her 13 year old little brother. Not what I would think of as a post-punk fan, I thought you did a great job, got the main players right with no mess. Props. Subbed.
Sounds like a great time! Thanks for watching
Sounds a great show and I’m sure this is a typo - but John McKay Co-wrote and played on The Scream. Leaving the band in 1979.
I was at the Aberdeen gig where 2 members of Souxsie walked out, The Cure were the support band, Robert Smith joined siouxsie for the Lords prayer, john mcgeoch didnt play with siouxsie until 1980
As someone old enough to say "I was there", I found this is an incredibly comprehensive and faithful summary, including most of my favourite bands. Magazine and The Banshees top that list, but I'm especially gratified my hometown band Young Marble Giants made your radar. I actually saw them a few years back playing what I think was a one-off revival gig in Cardiff, and Alison's voice was as pure and haunting as I remembered. Other notable female-fronted bands of the era were Penetration, the Mo-dettes and The Au Pairs.
I'm not sure if you're covering this on separate videos, but the only possible omissions were the 'Postcard records' scene from Scotland (the likes of Orange Juice, the Fire Engines and my favourites Josef K), and the 'New Psychedelics' - Teardrop Explodes, Echo and The Bunnymen, Strawberry Switchblade etc. The Banshees were considered more a part of this genre than Goth from Kaleidoscope onwards (Juju notwithstanding).
Young Marble Giants are so good and I wish they got more recognition in online music circles. That’s super cool that you got to see them live a few years ago too! As for the latter groups I’ve recently found myself loving Orange Juice’s music and they may get brought up in the next video. Thank you for sharing and thanks for watching!
Simon Reynolds is pretty much the most interesting and best writer/music journalist of our time.
Nice vid! (although I miss The Sisters....)
He’s such a good writer. I appreciate how he’s able to write about these artists with an objective lens. He doesn’t excuse a lot of the *cough* “creative” choices they made early on. I was back and forth on including some of that in this video but decided to leave it to the music. Thanks for watching!
I agree about the Sisters of Mercy. They are one of the core goth bands, though they started in 1980, a couple of years after the other big names. A massive influence on all later gothic rock.
True
@@ThreadBomb
Really difficult topic to try to cover (you will always leave out something - Killing Joke, Echo and the Bunnymen, etc.) but you did a really good job of including most major influences. Good call on including U2 - they were totally post-punk. Boy and October were absolute classics. When I was in college, Boy had just released and U2 was going to be booked at a local bar. Unfortunately, the bar refused to pay the $500 U2 was asking for the gig.
sure bauhaus is goth, but all of their music considered, theyre avant-garde post-punk, same with bday party
Bauhaus are post avante guard dark-punk goth.
Bauhaus got stuck with the goth label because of the theatrics, they weren’t Cristian Death.
@@LuckyBastardProd Right. They were Death Christian.
Thanks for the video. Thought the shout out to U2 at the end was interesting. Listening to the intensity and emotive depth of the song Wire from The Unforgettable Fire, it’s hard to overlook U2’s punk and post-punk influences.
Great video mate you'll be a big channel if you keep this up
Good stuff mate - thanks
Great stuff. I'd love to see you do a deep dive on Steve Albini. Nobody in the last 40 years has done more to keep independent, original, non-commercial music alive
Albini is such a cool figure in music history. He would be a fun one to cover. Thanks for watching!
SWEET!! Great video!!
The Damned are the most exotic of the original ‘76 band. The album they released last year, “Darkadelic” is fab!
Yeah!!
Definitely! Always wonderful live!
Great video!
great videos! congrats. wanted to add something, not sure if anyone mentioned this.. but one of the reasons that Reggae / Dub is so closely tied to the punk / post punk scene was that when the famous club in London started, in between the bands the DJ Don Letts (a famous punk figure) would play reggae and dub records. This was cause he had a huge collection of those records and there weren't enough punk records to play yet. Don Letts is responsible for introducing reggae to the Clash.
You talked about Goth rock, but didn't mention The Sisters of Mercy?
If Punk was the Triasdic Post Punk was the Jurassic. Post Punk was about punk musicians who were actially able to play music!
Cool video--something worth checking out on the goth aspect that relates to post-punk down the line are Nico's albums. Marble Index (1968 release) predates Siouxsie/Bauhaus, and is most of the time unmentioned. Drama of Exile (1981 version) is a killer album too. Enjoying yr videos m8, thx!
The Gang of 4 and the Comsat Angels always hit that hard to reach sweet spot for me .
Gang of 4 were a big influence on D. Boon and the Minutemen.
I started dipping my toes into post punk (I don’t remember ever calling it that) around 1981 and didn’t live in a big city so I was surprised that you caught a couple of early bands I never heard of. The first couple of sources were very dude-centric so the section on women was especially welcome. I remember The Slits but don’t know The Raincoats and Young Marble Giants. Yay for more music to get into from my favorite genre, thanks.
Oh and yes, U2 absolutely started out in this genre. They haven’t always been bloated megalomaniacs. They didn’t truly hit mainstream til The Joshua Tree.
There's a really concrete reason for the punk-reggae link: the DJ at one of the London punk clubs was Don Letts, a rasta who went on to make the documentary film 'Punk!' and finally formed Big Audio Dynamite with Mick Jones from The Clash. Letts said there were so few punk records in the early days that he'd play his reggae records a lot at punk gigs and found that the punks loved them.
The History of Reggae and it's evolution,, It's Fans.. Mods to Skinhead... It's Roots are deep in U.K..
Original, Roots, not neo fascist or Bonehead..
Reggae music was the chosen sound of the original Skinhead music...
So it's popularity continued afterwards and beyond.. eventually becoming the 2nd wave called Two Tone...
@@AtZero138 Yes, all true too, but as I understand it was Letts's influence that led to the Slits and, to a lesser extent, the Clash, moving into reggae territory as they developed.
Thank you for this very informative video. 😎
I had many favourites but The Only Ones & XTC are the fist that come to mind, probably because I still air them today... The Undertones, Stranglers, Blondie & the Buzzcocks still adorn my playlists too... This is not to forget two of my all timers The Cure & OMD... Great discussion, subbed swiftly & and looking forward to catching up on your content... 🙂😃😊
These are great picks! XTC will be coming in the next video but The Cure is one of my favorites too. Thanks for watching!
What I find interesting is how in the 70's, punk rock was sometimes presented as the mortal enemy of progressive rock. And then post-punk in the 80's embraced the directions and musical innovations that progressive rock had inspired. Similar to punk's relationship with heavy metal, there is influence from the "hated" rival genre that is later embraced rather then scorned.
Same goes with Disco in New Wave. I think one of the reasons Punk splintered off into so many directions so quickly is because it was so limiting in its purest form. Granted, there were genre fusions depending on who the artist was (Patti Smith, The Clash etc) but Punk’s disciples’ desire to experiment is what gave it it’s longevity
@@JukeboxHistory like how Blondie was popular in New York's punk circles, but their music was very funky and poppy which fit in fine with Disco that punks supposedly hated. Deep down, a lot of punks loved all kinds of music.
The Fall
Sisters of Mercy
Very good, keep it up
Pre-Bela Lugosi's Dead..."Ghost Rider" by Suicide. It's certainly not as evolved but the ambience and reverb are heavy. There's a slower, less defined version that seems like a super early "goth" track.
For sure. I’ll also be talking about Suicide in the No Wave video. They were really ahead of the curve on a lot of stuff!
@JukeboxHistory Excellent! Really enjoyed this vid.
Great video, I love how it's making a comeback via bands like molchat doma, and French police
Modern Post Punk is Alive and well KRONSTADT LITOVSK NIGHT WATCHERS etc
Great video and I learned some stuff that I didn`t know too .......................... also an important figure in the UK post punk scene was former punk rocker TOYAH (aka Toyah Wilcox) too ! ............... the first concert I ever went to was actually a Toyah one in 1981 !
The Damned, Sudden Death Cult, sisters of mercy to name but three from many. More akin to siouxsie and the banshees, and the Cure. This genre is a very deep ocean. It's well worth dipping a toe, but it drags you in.
Southern Death Cult.
Modern Post Punk is awesome.. and growing.. my playlist has some bands and channels to check out...
Titled, Moving in my Head.. cheers from Southern California
SOOOOO Glad you mentioned U2
Dude... u2 is the first band I've started being a fan. What a great surprise seeing them in the video. And rule 1 for being a goth: you gotta always say you're not a goth.
lol
Nice video, man!
They started as punk then post-punk. Not just goth subgenre, but many other subgenres of alternative.
great video !
Thank you!
Post Punk, New Wave, and Power Pop are my favorite rock genres, and all developed around the same time. It was also the time I was entering my teens and at my most impressionable when it came to consuming music. Great overview you’ve made; efficient and filled with the important stuff.👏
Power pop actually emerged much earlier in the 70s…Raspberries, Badfinger, Rundgren…and grew out of late 60s sounds from
Bands like the Who
Yea I can only imagine being a teenager around that time. Sounds like an exciting time! Thanks for watching
@richardb9419 Yeah, there is a gap of 5 or so years between the nascent days of power pop in the early 70s and those of post punk and new wave in the mid to latter part of the decade. While power pop didn’t develop simultaneously with the others, in the grand timeline of rock n roll I consider the genres to have developed around the same time.
With Glam, Punk, Hip Hop, and Disco as well, the 70s were an amazing decade for emerging genres of popular music.
Me, too. Big sis took me to a Siouxsie gig the same week they released “The Scream” in 78. I was 13/14. Then I landed in 1983 Orange County, CA. 🤯🤯🤯
glad comments are mentioning that killing joke and chameleons shouldve been covered. they were 2 of the most underrated postpunk/gothic bands and their music pretty much reached the peak of whats possible in those genres
Killing Joke! Was waiting to see them in the vid. Oh well. Maybe you can do a whole video on them. Definitely the darkest and heaviest post punk band.
Bauhaus
The Smiths, Felt, Echo & The Bunnymen, Psychedelic Furs, Television, Blondie, The Church, Rain Parade, Go-Betweens, The Jam, many others, wonderful time for music!
Whats funny is that when I used to get asked about Post-Punk (I fronted a Post-Punk band for almost 15 years), I tell them one of the biggest bands in the world started as a Post-Punk band (U2). It's an easy, 1-2 sentence answer to a question I used to get all the time.
They included Gang of Four, who were the most important band of that Era.
Big influence on the Minutemen.