Best (& Worst) Artist’s Choice Tattoos (PART 2) | Ink Master
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2021
- When these Ink Master artists got to call the shots, some took the opportunity and ran with it, while others bit off more than they could chew.
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The only thing that bothers me with this show is that if a female artist makes a gory and bloody badass tattoo on a female client, the judges will say “that’s not feminine enough for her” like no dude.. if a girl wants to have blood, guts and dead things tattooed on their body then they can have a damn massacre on their body. It’s not the artists fault, you just don’t like it because it’s not rainbows and kitty cats
the judges need anti bias training they have backwards ass views showing
@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow ikr some of the shit they say pisses me off.
same like a tattoo doesn’t have a specific gender and shit like 4 me i’m female but i lowkey want a grim reaper tatt or a skull tatt honestly i like how the female artists do bold things and not just make it all girly it added uniqueness to them
or when a female artist does somthing and the judges say “it’s not soft enough” they also say that when it’s on a female canvas “it’s not delicate enough for her” like bro what? the canvas wanted harsh and gory shit so they get that. or they use “it’s nice and soft and delicate” as a compliment to female artist or canvases. it’s not really a compliment anymore.
@@isabellafortune1705 yeah it’s just annoying tbh
Anyone notice how Pony's canvas had a whole bunch of unfinished tattoos? Something tells me this isn't her first tap out. 🙄
for sure 💯
@Clappy it must look ok for you to not go back & finish it haha.
@Clappy wow i’ve heard the ribs were bad but i didn’t think THAT bad haha
no one will ever finish that rose that beautifully
@Clappy Just load up on some pain meds (liquor) and get it finished. If you come up with the idea and make the decision to get it sober, then it doesn't count as a drunk tattoo.
apparently the judges think that only woman could tattoo with a pink and purple pallette
please stopwith these statements of feminine vs masculine tattoos
thats just weird, anyone can pull anything off
It's so bizarre when they say things like that especially in a creative competition. There are no rules when it comes to artistry. Anything goes. That's the beauty of artistic vision and creation. The judges need to regroup lol
I mean saying anyone can pull anything off just isn’t true. Some tattoos just objectively look better on some people than others.
@@dontbstingy3587 "Objectively", he says, about ART
Just like in that other one where they had to do horror tattos and then the critique was that it's too masculine for the female canvas ?? Like she loved it lol isn't that what should matter ?
they’re literally putting limits on the female artists females can tattoo just as good as a man can and anyone else for that matter
I feel so bad for Pony. She was so kind and genuinely was trying to do her best with the canvas. I also feel like the canvas kind of took advantage of the slight language barrier and accused her of being insensitive when I just feel like her English isnt PERFECT so she didnt offer up instant comfort when she was upset.
💯💯💯💯 I noticed the language barrier scenario too
Also The canvas had no problem with Pony’s “bedside manner” before she went to The bathroom. It almost felt scripted, that she left because of bedside manner and not just because she couldn’t take it. Making it The tatooers fault and not The weakness of The canvas makes for more dramatic tv!
@Keyzer Soze telling me I say “feel” too much in a casual setting is such an odd thing to say. Also youre just wrong, so I can’t really say much else to you
@Keyzer Soze it’s odd because it’s a casual setting. It’s also comical YOURE trying to debate this with me, because I’m a writer and an English major.
@Keyzer Soze You must be the life of the party, eh?
I wish that blind judging was more prominent on this show.
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It would prevent favoritism and I think thats the best choice, judge by skill not character
@@WickedPhase I agree, I remember in one of the older seasons they used the excuse of a guy not having a tattoo as a reason for him to be voted out.
Seriously!! Honestly, since it’s an art competition, that’d be the best bet for most if not all judging. If there was trouble with canvases or something, maybe the artists in the bottom could mention that.
blind critiques actually proved to me how biased chris was. he cant hide his bias. he'll try and guess who did what and drool/critique accordingly. every one of them someone has "surprised him"
They should always blind critique to reduce bias.
@@momogoes3329 agreed
@@momogoes3329 1000% agree! But then they won't push their fave to the finale.
Yeah imo is an artist has a strong style you can tell who it is especially if you're a judge. Not to mention theres other factors to use to tell who is who...
The fact that he was like it's probably cam 🤦🏻♀️ cam was ass that season compared to laura. And the fact that he was like purple colors??? Must be a woman 🙄
They need at least one female judge christ
@@korbindallas8224 no one said anything about them being lower qualified💀
Though it's funny that that's what your mind goes to...
Yes definitely! And the bunch of incels replying that they are less qualified are just another proof of it.
@@korbindallas8224 ... you could find some very qualified tattoo artists on par with the judges im sure.
Well wouldn't having four judges make it more susceptible to having ties since it would be an even number of judges
Pony's Tattoo is the definition of ink master. It's so vibrant and full. Anyone would be stoked to have a tattoo as gorgeous as that. She wasn't disrespectful at all? that canvas knew what she was getting herself into. She's a grown adult not a baby that constantly needs reassuring that a tattoo can hurt. I feel so bad for pony. And seeing the comment section I speak to everyone when I say she did the best tattoo. Even when it's unfinished. I hope Pony sees the comment section and knows how proud we all are of her.
exactly finally someone who gets it. That canvas was a BITCH! Just because youre soft AF, and a little cry baby who cant take the pain you signed up for doesnt mean you have to take it out on Pony...Pony was nice, sweet, calm talking to her, and that girl was getting angry over the pain, and taking it out on Pony. "you just dont have good bedside manors, and didnt help to keeping me calm" lol she isnt your therapist TF.... You singed up for a tattoo which everyone knows they hurt like a bitch. Yet she cant take the pain, so decides to take it out on her. Almost like she wanted everyone on TV and her friends and family think she didnt finish tattoo because of the artist, not because she quit because she could take the pain. That canvas was a BITCH for that
and agreed her rose was gorgeous, I wish she finished it, because it would of got tattoo of the day
I agree! It’s STUNNING even unfinished 🔥
I saw someone point out she had other unfinished tattoos on her. Like dude if you can't take it why do you keep getting them? Sounds to me like she only does it to scrutinize the artists
@@Lesaloote not only was it unfinished like her other tattoos but it also looked good DESPITE being unfinished. I wonder if a part of her saw it when she went to the bathroom and decided that it was worth it to cut her losses there. And didn't care if it fucked over her tattoo artist
Yeah the color blend was extraordinary
That unfinished rose was objectively the best tattoo of the round in terms of technique and accuracy. The fact that they rated it as the lowest just because the canvas left is insane. And even unfinished it looked better than most of the other tattoos, especially that stupid goofy eyeball tat. But the judges have proven again and again that they're biased in their tastes.
then again its all biased including your opinion
it looked like an oil painting, it’s so good. stupid judges
Especially the critique they did give confused me.. like it's no different than doing the outline first on other tattoos .. or am i wrong?
@@calycalyps0 that's a pretty good point!
@@calycalyps0 I thought the same thing. Typically when drawing you tend to start with the outlining 😕 I'm pretty new to doing tattoo work but I'd assume most of the time it's a similar situation
EDIT: Who would've guessed that my lukewarm observation would start a war? It's wild how many people are reaching to insult me so hard that they're using a Doctor Who reference (my username) and my sister's drawing of me as a teenager (my profile picture) as fuel. I can't stress this enough; I'm genuinely not as passionate about this take as you think I am.
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The way the judges talk about 'feminine' and 'masculine' tattoos is kinda weird. You'd think they'd stop doing that after being wrong so many times. "Too masculine for a girl to have done it." "The colour palette made me think a girl did it."
Right? The phrasing was a put-down, because it seemed to be all about lady-limitations. They got pigeon-holed. The show would benefit from more blind judging - I bet we'd have way more lady Ink Masters.
I also cringe at the way they judge tattoos on the female canvases by saying it's too "masculine" to be on a woman's body. Just because a woman has a gritty skull or a dark horror tattoo doesn't make her less feminine. We're not all bubble gum, flowers and rainbows. I've seen male canvases on the show receive "feminine" looking tattoos and sex is never brought in to the conversation.
@@literaltiffy1699 I agree, they are just nit picking over stuff
I'm with you on that, very off putting
YESSSS! i agree with not only the original comment but all of y’all’s responses!! it’s so damn true you’d have to be blind to miss it & that’s concerning esp in this climate.
I just hate it how when it was a guy that made a tattoo they liked, the judges were all "Yeah, yes man!" And when it was a girl they went "really?? Wow what a surprise" And the comments about the "girly" palette and the tattoo that was too manly for a woman? Give me a break. Not to mention how they kicked out Holly when Cam didn't even meet the challenge. The tattoo industry is incredibly sexist and they keep proving it.
I know and women often get type casted into what style they do most people think women do flowers or colorful pieces ECT traditional and black and color is seen as masuline
It really shows in the fact that pretty much all the girls had to team up to get a female ink master.
or when a female artist does somthing and the judges say “it’s not soft enough” they also say that when it’s on a female canvas “it’s not delicate enough for her” like bro what? the canvas wanted harsh and gory shit so they get that. or they use “it’s nice and soft and delicate” as a compliment to female artist or canvases. it’s not really a compliment anymore.
Totally sexist when Ryan is one of the most famous tattoo artists on the planet, and very, very busy. Also won a season.
@D12 Raging stop talking to yourself. Why are you even calling someone a bitch if you're to scared to even type "bitch" Hm i smell misogyny.
Immediately lost my respect for the judges after they sent Pony home, and then said that Alexis had the second worst of the day? so if pony finished her tattoo, Alexis would of gone home? are you kidding me? Their critique was absolutely bonkers like they clearly just don't like the style of it. It's unique, its vibrant, it's clean, its detailed. yeah I cant take them seriously at all now.
I genuinely loved Alexis's tattoo! As soon as I saw it I thought it was super cute, nothing about it felt obviously bad to me.
Honestly, a lot of the critiques in this show feel like they miss the mark completely. They nitpick small things that a consumer wouldn't even care about, and ignore large issues that a consumer would.
WAAAAAH DRAMATIC CRYING CARE BEAR 🐻😭
@@sages101 what?
@@apanda7755 lol this comments section is full of soft emotional women! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@Blixtwixy being an artist myself, it’s our job to train our eyes to notice these tiny little blurbs that the consumer may not notice. That’s what makes the difference between good and great. Currently an apprentice photographer under someone who’s been in the business for years and it’s amazing to see the amount of detail that my senior has trained himself to look at. Sure our clients might not notice but it’s something our competitors would and sets us apart from them BECAUSE of our attention to detail.
Personally I liked Alexis’s piece and think the tiki looking head should have gone home simply bc of perspective. For me getting proportions and perspectives down is a much bigger Issue than the Alexis’s lack of fine detail/line work.
Ash, tigers aren't in Native American culture. You know, cause tigers aren't native to the Americas
i think there used to be. b4 ppl killed them. but idk for sure
@@jadenhunter8016 never tigers. The southern US had jaguars and during the Ice Age there was a species of lion that was bigger than tigers, but they went extinct more because of lack of food than hunting
I said this on the OG video 🤣
This was my first thought, like... wait what?!?
I just presumed she knew better
I feel like the judging should ALWAYS be based on the artwork regardless of the person who did it.. they always seem to have a bias against women and are surprised when women make a great tattoo. They really base alot of the judgements and critiques off of the gender of the person and the gender of who is wearing the tattoo. They should do way more blind critiques
Exactly
yea, sure, thats why there were 2 female artist in the finale. they are definitly soo biased towards women...
@@fromoz9294 I mean, if you watch the show, especially early on, it's pretty blatant
@@booey6190 i just dont see any bias towards women. sarah miller, tatu bb, they were actually in the finals in s2 and 3... imo ppl are just overreacting.
@@fromoz9294 Sure, if the only standard you're measuring is inclusion, but sexism breaks down to a lot more than just inclusion. All I'm saying is when a judge on an art competition says "that looks like one of our ladies' tattoos" or "girls don't usually go for something so dark and gothic" it comes off as attempting to take away the agency of that artist based solely on something as superficial as gender. When they say "I didn't expect a women to do this" it is synonymous to "I didn't think you were capable of this, because you are a woman," which means this artist has to work up from this judge's preconceived notions of what women are and aren't capable of when it comes to art. This is inherently sexist, her being a female objectively has nothing to do with her art, and to say that a certain piece of art "looks like a woman did it" is to take away that artist's agency, and when you do that, you defeat the purpose of art itself.
Pony's canvas is just disgusting and rude.
Honestly, girl, if you're not gonna be able to deal with the pain, why do you go there in the first place?
It explains why she doesn't seem to have one single tattoo completely done.
She's a waste of time.
Poor Pony.
I almost sympathized with the girl too. Maybe Pony was heavy because of time constraint and for people with a lower tolerance, that can be rough. You may need a few breaks.
But seeing the other arm with multiple unfinished tats and the way she blamed Pony for not consoling her, she lost my sympathy quite quickly.
I totally agree and very happy someone else said it, she very clearly can't commit to a tattoo and her canvas sucked.
She wasn’t being rude Pony was being heavy and she said it is because she was trying to smash it out it was so simple. Her saying you knew it would be painful and just going back to wipe over a spot you had to hit multiple times will hurt more. They just didn’t gel well
That’s what I said ! Like you knew what you signed up for if that pain is something you can’t handle why come and waste everyone’s freaking time!! It really pissed me off and pony wasn’t rude at all. Of course there’s gonna be times they rush THEY ARE ON A SHOW!!
Agree this canvas so kid
the fact pony didn't go out bashing and cursing about the canvas during her screen time, shows how she is so kind and it goes against what the canvas is saying about her
Agree!
The Truest True
the canvas will surely regret what she did
I felt like it was a bit of a culture difference. A Eastern European person will probably not be babying you saying “oh, gurl, you go, you’re so strong, you can do it, yeah babe, sweetie you’re doing great” the way the canvas seemed to want. If you need emotional support you should bring a friend.
@@kristin123a exactly. especially if its in a competition. your artist is tattoo ing for 100k, of course they don't wanna do small talk, they wanna win. and for a free tattoo idk what she was expecting
Everytime I watch the eliminations i can not help but think that women in this show get eliminated way to easily. Like really the guy who didn't even respect the challenge get to stay. And the unfinished rose is still way better that the weird totem of that other guy.
Totally, Cam literally ignored the prompt and won???
I loved the totem tatoo but I think the color and the technique wasn't so good and if the rose was finished he would probably have been disqualified
Cam didn't follow the challenge as well, but I think he did better tattoos. Might just be a taste thing, but I'd prefer either of Cam's pieces over Holly's. She did follow the challenge a lot better though for sure. Hard to say who should have one there. Tattoo wise I'd vote for Cam though, which I think is the most important part.
@@InqMozgus That's fair, But he's in a competition doing challenges, his tattoos were great but he completely ignored the task that he was given. It was supposed to show how versatile you are in terms of artstyles, and while quality is important, if you go into ink master doing the same things over and over you shouldn't win. He definitely shouldn't have stayed in this instance. He was told to do two different artstyles, the result was two tattos that we're in the same style.
That was blind critique though... There may be bias on other days but the example you stated was the blind critique one
Pony's canvas really showed up wanting a tattoo and tapped out because it hurt
Free tattoo*
Look at her arms it's like she has multiple unfinished one's
A Tiger. In Africa!
@@rexdink Monty Python 👍
The comments like not wanting to put a tough tat on a girl or saying it’s too masculine for a woman to do it are really off-putting and I’m not even a girl
Right? It ruins the integrity of the competition, if you guys aren't going to judge fairly, then why are we even here
Nothing wrong with that. It's just reality and not everyone can handle it.
@@shawnm2405 what's reality, the competition being kind of unfair or the sexist rhetoric about what women are and aren't capable of?
@@booey6190 strong people are not bothered by such petty frivolous things. Just throw away the crutches already
@@shawnm2405 if it gets in the way of your win why wouldn't a strong person care??? Yes it's petty, but it also could effect your place in the competition. A judges opinion will always matter even if its petty. Which is why this comment was weird and misplaced
I’ve only seen this vid but the judging comes off as sexist and biased, instead of judging purely on artwork and competition rules. Like what does it matter if a tat is ‘colored femininely’, it doesn’t make the artist automatically female. Or if a contestant DOESNT follow the challenge, it showed make them automatically disqualified or at least very heavily judged against
Hard agree. The sexism is very prevalent throughout the entire show. The only time there’s rlly fair judging is when the tattoos are judged blindly
@@thoseoneotakus8400 Which is what you've just seen.. but still claim it's sexist.
@@ReallyUnexplainable do you not hear the judges say they are surprised when they find out their favorite pieces were from the women? and they assumed it was from the men. that’s sexism babe
I think if Nuñez wasn't in the picture, there would be a better judging system going on
@D12 Raging yeah right. that season was the battle of sexes so blindly guessing they would start with who's more likely to have done this coloring or design.
"this looks like a man/woman did it" isn't being sexist, they're just guessing with their knowledge and information
Pony's piece was gorgeous even unfinished, it was finished enough that you could see her work under pressure. She clearly is not native to English and American culture so her bed side manner may be different. But focus to do extream realism is so important that talking could be time wasting and distracting. She was whiny, tattoos hurt, she was getting a beautiful free tattoo and tapped because she wasn't being babied. Judges should've kept her because the work she had spoke for itself
look at all the unfinished tattoos at 12:19 that canvas has a habit of leaving with unfinished tats
@@LousyZoot exactly that should've also been taken into account in the judging
Yeah maybe they should be doing some background on the canvases, once they saw she had many unfinished tattoos she shouldn’t have been allowed to be tattooed.
@@LousyZoot I didn't even notice that yeah they shouldn't have made her a canvas she was definitely a really bad one
Even then when you get a tattoo they're not gonna give you bedside manners, they need to focus on the tattoo and not on you, it wouldn't have mattered what artist she got, she was gonna end up complaining either way.
Wow. The chick with the rose on her shoulder, tapped out because Pony didn't hold her hand....weak a.f.
I feel like she didnt want to admit she couldn't handle the pain and tried putting the blame on the artist
For real
Or Pony is heavy handed. The chick has tats already.
@@sbrmilitia lots of unfinished tattoos
@@sbrmilitia I don't buy that. I've had plenty of heavy handed tattoo artist's. The 1st heavy handed dude drilled me so hard, the gun stopped in my skin, and I turned green...I didn't tap out.
Honestly I really like how Pony's tattoo looks in it's unfinished state. It looks really unique, like the rose fades out so only the petal's skeleton is left. Really neat effect
I know at first glance I wouldn't realize it was unfinished
I would wear it
Same!
I really liked it as well. Her canvas was just a complete weakling
But after two months I bet it looked pretty weak and unfinished
"you're not being very encouraging or trying to distract me..." Girl, what do you want? Her to give you a cookie? This is a tattoo. What do you expect?
Like tf all she can do is ask are you okay stop a sec and keep going tattoos hurt everyone knows that!
Hate to say it, but this is the kinda sh*t that give Millenials a bad name
Cmon now, Pony’s tat looked good where it was at considering her situation, and it would’ve been an absolute banger finished
In her final elimination, on that same episode, she actually tattooed the same way she did the way you saw here. Pain can be an issue, and she got eliminated.
@Nutrock hell yah! thank you! totally agree!
It jumped off the skin, I think they should be more understanding if it's the canvas's fault it isn't complete.
@@ahoward3503 if she had been kinder more sympathetic understanding and encouraging, her canvas would have stayed. It was her bedside manner. The canvas felt uncared for and unappreciated. A good tattoo artist or a good surgeon will make you fall in love with them while they hurt you because their bedside manner is so understanding and encouraging.
@@ahoward3503 part of being a good artist is to be able to work with your materials including your canvas. So many of these artists are so arrogant and blame everyone and everything for their own shortcomings. I've been through intense physical therapy, and the way the PT talks to me can make me endure pain beyond what I could normally tolerate.
Aw man poor Pony. I could immediately tell she's slavic. We have different demeanors. Trust me when I say that she was genuinely kind. I think anyone can interpret it from her tone and how she handled the client's critique. I know it's usual for some Americans to be really open and assertive compared to other countries, just look at how they treat people entering a store- that client seemed used to treatment like that.
Honestly she didn’t do anything to this woman, idk why she felt she was rude. Just quiet and concentrating…I wouldn’t want to distract my tattoo artist personally.
She honestly did nothing wrong. I would have preferred a quieter tattooist. And she was encouraging and trying to tell her she's trying her best to be gentle and the girl wimped out cause her head wasn't being patted and ice cream wasn't fed to her on golden china
"In native American culture a tiger means unpredictability" yea it would be pretty unpredictable that they would see a tiger in the wild.
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EXACTLY. I did a double take and was like "excuse me lady, what did you just say?"
There's literally an entire ocean between them 😆
She might have been referring to the Sabertooth Tiger which isn’t actually related to any modern cats. Also pretty sure some Siberian tigers made it over the bridge towards the end of the Ice Age but all these went extinct along with the North American lion and only coexisted with people for a fairly short period in the grand scheme of things and no fossils have been found south of Alaska.
@@sortofsomething There used to be a land bridge connecting the continents during the Ice Age. Many animals and people made the trip over it while it lasted. It is now under the ocean. The closest part of Alaska and Russia is only 55 miles apart, not that far in the grand scheme of things. Not saying she was right about tigers in Native culture, just saying there wasn’t always an entire ocean between them and they aren’t that far apart.
@@TahtahmesDiary yeah no shit. But that's not really relevant. Because of the timespan that passend after that. You don't need to show me that you're smart I don't give a shit.
Pony’s canvas didn’t have a problem with pain, she had an issue with a language barrier. It felt like discrimination, but she hid it so she didn’t come off like that. Totally unfair for pony
I respectfully disagree if you look at the canvas’s other tattoos the sugar skull is mainly an outline suggesting she tapped out on that out too. The tattoos on the canvas’s bicep looks more complete but if it’s colored it’s very light blue to the point where she skin could be coming through.
I think she used the language issue as a scape goat for being a wimp primarily based on her unfinished tattoos.
Pony deserved better
The subconscious (or maybe conscious) gender bias from the judges, particularly Chris, really jumps out in blind critiques
Examples please?
Women are over represented in the show comparative to the industry, women have won multiple times including an all female final, and they have been given their *own show*
What's the bias here?
@@GtsAntoni1 there have been two girls to win ink master.. three of you count the final where they all tied. multiple is a little far fetched lol. the only reason they made ink master angels was for $$$$ and pandering. they had been consistently called out for the underrepresentation of woman on their program and everybody loved Ryan and the girls. they knew it would make them money. there have been MULTIPLE times that Chris himself has called out women for tattooing a certain way on other women because it’s “not feminine” enough. I’ve heard him call out an artist for putting “too much black a lady” and that you “really should go that dark on a girl”. pony being eliminated for her unfinished piece when it was arguably one of the best there because it was “unfinished” is rich considering how many men have stayed with unfinished tattoos. Erin from previous seasons opted out of a whole tattoo because he “had tooth pain” and still wasn’t eliminated. I can keep going. there is a very obvious gender bias, whether it be with the canvas or the artist.
@@faithfox8851 You need to look up the definition of multiple.
Over 70% of tattoo artists in the US are men.
You may not like it, it may go against your own personal beliefs, but the vast majority of people in the world can clearly be categorised as feminine or masculine.
In fashion, women are adorned by feminine garments. In art, women are portrayed as feminine.
If you look at most womens' tattoos, you will see a stark difference in their style, predominantly that they are more feminine, and depict objects and characters that are classically feminine.
Pick a show, person, or company, and s tiny minority of very vocal people will likely have been outraged over something.
Women are overrepresented in the show vs the industry.
I have seen a plethora of artists who have eliminated because of an unfinished tattoo, even when that artist was obviously better.
Is the idea that television shows are there to make money? And don't you see the disconnect between claiming the girls were given their own show for revenue, but the main program being biased? Does profit not matter when it comes to Ink Master?
I don't want to be rude, but all of your points feel a little grasping. Like you *want* it to be true; perhaps to confirm your own bias.
@@GtsAntoni1 My point with the feminine/masculine comment is that it has ONLY been made towards women. I have never ONCE heard a comment out of the judges mouth about a man having too much of a “feminine” tattoo, or telling a man that he used too feminine of colors on a man. it has only been used against women. Nunez has made comments on numerous occasions about women giving other women too masculine of a tattoo, once saying that an artist shouldn’t tattoo a “tough” tattoo on a woman. In the blind critiques, there are comments about the tattoos being colored and draw femininely, meaning it has to be a girl, and the tough looking tattoos being done from men. he is essentially saying that women shouldn’t wear tough tattoos and women shouldn’t tattoo tough tattoos on other women. I don’t think my points are grasping at all, and a great majority of the comments agree with the points that I’m making, and make the same points that I do.
Nobody is saying that the point of the Angels show isn’t to make money. Because no shit lol. But you’re saying that they aren’t biased against women on Ink Master because the network has a show with women on it. Just because they have a show with women on it doesn’t make the judges in a completely different show any less biased towards women lol. It honestly really doesn’t have much correlation considering they aren’t involved. But, it’s also very obvious the show was done to please people who were slamming the network and show for not being more inclusive. And because the audience really took a liking to the girls. Meaning they will tune in and they will make money. This isn’t about the network, it’s about the judges on Ink Master and the message they’re sending to people who want tattoos and have tattoos.
Whether you want to say it’s gender bias or not, it’s off putting to say the least. Somebody who is supposed to be an unbiased judge with years of experience is preaching that women shouldn’t have tough and dark tattoos to an audience that has women artists and women who are tattooed. I don’t feel like the gender of the canvas should matter. if the artist is producing a badass tattoo, it shouldn’t matter if the canvas is male or female.
Respectfully, I think this comment is full of shit.
You're cherry picking times that seem like bias only because you're only applying these "examples" to the women"s situations.
Plenty of men have been screwed over unjustly or critiqued harshly based on what's expected of them as well.
If anything, Inkmaster panders to women.
This is a really BS way of viewing the world.
Even if things were 99.9% perfect, people like you would still act like that .1% is the majority.
There’s nothing Pony could have done to make that canvas stay. If she opted out with only that much of the tattoo done then she has zero pain tolerance. You can even see that her other tattoos aren’t finished, which probably means she left early on those too. It really sucks when good artists go home solely because of a bad canvas. It doesn’t happen often, cause even if there’s a bad canvas the artist can succeed. But Pony’s was impossible, Pony could of been the most considerate human on Earth and it wouldn’t of mattered. That canvas clearly doesn’t have the durability to be getting tattoos.
The show shouldn't even accept canvases that obviously can't handle getting a tattoo, why did they even let her on the show?
@@Blixtwixy one word: drama
We need a female on the judging panel.
Hopefully the replacement for Oliver will be a girl
@D12 Raging calm down
Even the woman judge they had said something sexist bro ☠️
Ponys tat was actually very well done the veins going to the rose were mice
The red was beautiful
Sorry, the Pupcone tattoo was AMAZING and I think the judges made a bad call with that one
I second that.
Yup
Absolutely! I really liked that one!
Like everyone says, the judges nitpick everything. They really have favoritism on certain art styles too and I feel like the judges are stuck in the "good ole days" of tattoos
@@ralphy3393 I disagree. The judges said it was cool, but not the best execution. The lines could have been straighter and more defined and it could have been the best tattoo there.
that tat by Pony looked insaneeee that girl was so lucky but ungrateful…
Pony's tattoo was killer even if it doesn't get finished. The fact that she didn't just went on a rant and called the canvas names like many dudes had speaks nicely of her too.
It feels like the judges are always over critical of the women???
They've said before that a pretty woman can leave a tattoo shop ugly, and they tend to have specific idea of what women should tattoo or get tattooed that they don't hold to men
Maybe because they’re worse? Lmao
@@McDanMan84 bestie that’s sexist lol
@@McDanMan84 you're the only one getting up in arms, chill out dude. No one even cares.
No they don't. They give credit to women where it's due. Remember Ryan's time on the show?
"In Native American Culture, a Tiger-" Let me stop you there for one second
Thank You! Since when tigers where in the Americas?
@@uglyhippos In native american culture the word tiger refers to any big cats like mountain lions, pumas etc.
@@masonbrickwood5545 how do they know to use the word "tiger" for any big cats if tigers never existed in north or south America? I know we have internet and books to get that information now days but I assume they didn't have the info the in like the 1600's or is it just coincidental the word they used for big cats happenedly to be a species of a big cat in russia/asia ? Not a argument just generally confused.
@@uglyhippos through translation nahuel means panther, jaguar, mountain lion, etc. the word means “big cat” (not literally, but generally). they added tiger to the definition since it fits with the others
@@uglyhippos I honestly have no idea, i'm British, I was confused when she said it so i googled it and that's what it said.
Women in the comments are correctly calling out the misogyny on the show- And then men come on and say it isnt and that women are snowflakes. Thanks for inccorectly mainsplaining to actual women- "they say that cause it's true." when will you learn that it's not the critiques we're referring to
Agreed, it's pretty blatant throughout the show aswell
am i picking up not-so-subtle hints of sexism? In a show revolving around the tattoo industry? 🤔
almost like this is problem or something...
elaborate
@@Linguine1177 The fact that they say things along the lines of "those are lady colors" and "this tattoo is too masculine for a woman to have" as well as they critisize the female tattoo artists harder than they do the male tattoo artists when they have the same problems.
@@elizaheintzelman8764 the “too masculine for a woman to have” comment was made by Cam, not the judges. I don’t think anyone is surprised to find out he’s a misogynist.
While I understand there are also some comments by the judges that are not stellar, I don’t think any of it was really meant with ill intent, at least not to the degree of the resident sexist listed above. I find they’re often quite commending of the females’ work too because they, especially Chris and Oliver, just want to see good tattooing. But definitely some phrasing that could be worked on nonetheless.
@@Nick-xu7ns the comment didnt mention the judges saying it.
Not at all. On another clip I saw earlier today they criticized a woman for tattooing dark and bold on a woman's hands. I quote, "She's a soccer mom, she shouldn't have that on her hands!"
BRUH! That rose is BEAUTIFUL!!! If only it was finished that girl would’ve gotten compliments for the rest of eternity !😤
I love how it looks unfinished honestly
Holly's tattoo was amazing, while the guy's was bland and didn't even fit the challenge, I don't think she deserved to go home on this. I usually agree with the judges but they dropped the ball on this one. If an unfinished tattoo sends someone home pretty much immediately, a tattoo that doesn't fit the category should also send you home.
Well the guys tattoo was nearly perfect, lines were cleaner, shading was better, now I agree holly met the challenge better than he did, but if we look at the tattoos on face value, his was better
@@mango3468 nahhh because for example if the theme is black and grey and Holly did the challenge but it was a bit scratchy and the dude did some tattoo packed with color and it looks super gorgeous who should go home? Definitely cam because he blew the challenge. doesn't matter if it looked good he wasn't following the actual theme.
@@jesleyperalta3413 I see your point
@@jesleyperalta3413 not only that but once the guys skin settles the black and grey that holly did is going to look so much cleaner and it won’t be so red and puffy. To me it seems they sent her home because she stood up for herself and challenged the male ego
I dunno but the girls tattoo was more beautiful and in contrast with both pieces. As for the guy.. the first one was great but the second one though idk.
That unfinished rose looks so sick. I’d get that over the finished art, has a unique look to it.
“Man do manly color, female do pink and purple”
Something about these judges always making these comments doesn’t sit right with me
I can't believe they sent Holly home, this just proves how played out this show is, they deliberately kept Cam. His tattoos did NOT meet the challenge so he should have immediately been sent home end of story. Maybe Holly's weren't necessarily as clean, but she couldn't help that her canvas' skin going red, and the challenge wasn't cleanliness and legibility it was two different tattoos two DIFFERENT STYLES. Her pieces were very different and extremely gorgeous, she was absolutely robbed.
They were biased yeah but only because they knew Cam was the better tattoo artists of those two. He repeatedly hit the mark as where Holli didn't.
Cam was 100x better he deserved to stay even if he didn’t follow that challenge exactly. The challenges are just to make the show more interesting for the viewers, but their gonna pick who’s actually better either way.
@@McDanMan84 yeah but, if I go into a tattoo shop and ask for an new age, cartoony style tattoo, and the dude ignores that and instead draws up something American Traditional, I'm gonna be pretty upset, that's a wasted deposit. That's the point of understanding the challenge, to be able to understand the client is just as important as technical proficiency. You can be the best artist in the world, but if you can't take instruction properly, you can't be called a master.
@@mxxn7107 The judges literally had nothing but good things to say about it? And the only problem with the second tattoo was some slight messiness in her shading. She showed great versatility this episode
I wonder if Holly had done Cam's tats and he had done hers what the result would have been. The show was so sexist that I honestly believe they woulda still sent Holly home. Claiming she didnt meet the challenge. Smh they really needed a female judge on the show.
How that dog ice cream tattoo was voted lower than that finished rose with the bland leaves is beyond me. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I hate when canvases tap out. You knew what you were getting into. It's going to be painful, there's a time limit, there's a challenge,etc. You're getting it FOR FREE. You're getting a tattoo of mostly what you want and you dont have to pay hundreds of dollars🙄
It's not the artist's fault when they tap out
Sometimes they’re put in awful situations though. Like that challenge with four big areas getting tattooed at one time.
Time to get a female judge to replace Peck. Although just on the judging I would rather replace Nunez.
But the bias against girls is ridiculous
Honestly Chris is the one I get the most sexism based bias vibes from
Honestly I would love a complete switch up of all the judges. I would love to see options of other judges. I would love to see 3 judges all from previous ink master. The top 3 favorite ink master.
@D12 Raging show the proof in the comments let’s go
@D12 Raging we’re waiting
@D12 Raging come on now child we don’t have all day for the evidence you have
The girl that left because “the artists beside manned was off” is ridiculous. You are signing up to be a CANVAS. They are competing for a lot of money and working on a time limit.. shut up, sit down and take the pain. No one forced you to sign up to be a canvas. How weak can you get? I’d be embarrassed af if I were her.
Exactly! Its different from when you get a tattoo in normal circumstances where you have commissioned an artist to work for you. It sounds harsh but you are not a client you are a canvas because you are not paying - its about the artist not you.
A lot of people have pointed out that pony's canvas had a lot of unfinished tattoos
they gave the dog cone girl the same exact wall-to-wall advice as the totem head guy but didn’t drill it in the dude. weird cuz i’d take her tattoo over his any day
Pony is a genuinely sweet girl. She was showing concern. Her intentions wasn't to hurt her. Everyone tattoos different. If you notice none of the other tattoos that girl she was tattooing was as bold as that rose and wasn't as solid. It's going to be more tender. Thier is a time frame she has to meet to have it complete. Her line work was clean, the color was saturated, it was identical to the photo. And that shouldn't be used against her when a client taps out on a good piece. I've seen episodes that either artists, or canvases have flipped script. She was calm and collected. She didn't only do a damn good job, but she did it respectfully. She spoke with her canvas, and gave her canvas a explanation with an apology. She showed more than alot of artists do. She was empathic and sympathetic. She wasn't completely heartless. I think overall she executed it even unfinished. From my judgment and opinion I would have given this a 5 star review.
Pony's unfinished rose tatt looks amazing with just the rose& outline. Honestly i would leave it like that
The tattoo that sent Holly home was so unfair. I adore that surrealism piece! It's stunning
i cannot believe the misogyny in this show.. wow
I know right. "Light purples and blues are a women's colour palette." "Women can't possibly create bold artwork or have it on their body." Both statements make me lose braincells.
😂😂😂
Everything is misogyny for u.
@@paulatorrejon66 why is it NOT mysogyny to you?
@@paulatorrejon66 blatant ignorance
They say that because it’s true 😆
I never comment on videos but after watching these compilations that the page has put up I’ve really noticed how biased Nunez is and how he generally seems to be biased against women (i.e. saying the colors indicate what gender the artist is or by saying a woman cant have a certain tattoo because its not “girly” enough). The blind judging was really refreshing and it lets some of the “unfavorable” artists have a moment to shine. Also his way of judging makes no sense at all at certain times. The man needs to get a grip already.
Really disappointed about Pony being under fire for that insanely beautiful tattoo. The person getting it was the rude one. I do feel like the judges pick favorites… In Art School we always judged first than revealed who did what. It’s common courtesy for the art to speak for itself. Art should not be based upon the artist but the art it’s self.
I saw the judges point but like alot of people said it looked great like it was; almost looking intentional. I think the judges should have brought up that point. They sent Pony home on a unfinished tattoo but others they have let slide and praised what they got done.
12:05 it always bugged me that's they recycled the same moan. To make it seem worse than it is.
Yeah I noticed that too, made me laugh 😂
I'm gonna be honest, the unfinished tattoo looks pretty damn dope. I think just as dope as the finished one would've been
they shouldnt even need to do a blind judging because they should be unbiased no matter if they know who did it or not. this is basically an admission that they are biased when they know who did the tattoo
My exact sentiments
How you gonna send Holly home when Cam didn't even do the challenge properly? Pony should have stayed too. I can see why a lot of people see the judging as blatantly sexist tbh.
because he had better tattoos.
@@darnarxz Strongly disagree.
@@darnarxz I disagree, but even if you were correct, he didn't meet the challenge. He didn't prove to be flexible, which is something they preach on this show. Why would they let that slide this time and not all the others?
The Geisha and the Skull Palace are my AWESOME. Pony's tattoo is crazy as well. Even unfinished, you can tell that she put so much effort into it, and that it would be a masterpiece if she could finish it.
How is it blind judging if they immediately reveal after who did which tattoo prior to voting out?
if every tattoo was blindly judged this would be the best show of all time
If I was Pony’s canvas I would feel like an idiot knowing I could’ve had a fully finished gorgeous rose for FREE at that, but tapped out because I couldn’t handle the pain 😩
"This is one of our girls based on the color palette" jesus christ
Pony's canvas just didn't want to admit that she couldn't take the pain. It's a tattoo. She knew what she was getting into.
I found it wierd that the ice cream dog was so disliked, I actually really liked that one
Holly went home on a AWESOME tattoo..
absolutely robbed!
Pony’s tattoo was one the best. I would of loved to seen this finished and I really feel bad for her that her canvas tapped out and blamed her for it.
Noticed how Pony‘s canvases tattoos literally are all unfinished? Pony‘s unfinished tat looks better than everyone else’s finished. It’s so unfair
I know that Pony's tattoo wasn't finished, but that's the most realistic rose tattoo I've ever seen. It's absolutely beautiful, like someone took a rose picture and pasted it onto skin, it's that beautiful
I wonder if Holly had done Cam's tats and he had done hers what the result would have been. The show was so sexist that I honestly believe they woulda still sent Holly home. Claiming she didnt meet the challenge. Smh they really needed a female judge on the show.
Tatu Baby did a cheetah tattoo that I did not think was that good; she did not finish it because her canvas got sick. She was praised to the high heavens for it.
I feel so bad for Pony... she didn't do anything to make that woman feel uncomfortable and yet her tattoo was the best looking rose I've ever seen by far
Honestly I really like Pony's tattoo in its unfinished state, it has something really beautiful about it with those veiny lines and structures over teh canvases really pale skin
If you can't handle the pain you shouldn't be on the show. People are fighting for money, for their careers for a customer base and you have people just pussing out? That's not acceptable
Pain is temporary, swag is forever
The French bulldog ice cream was great.
They always seem kinda biased against the girls. Like, really, the dude did two tattoos in the same style when it was supposed to be two different styles, but the girl that met the challenge is going home? Come on.
And they weren't bad tattoos! If they were really bad, I would understand. But these were good, solid tattoos.
When Alexa turned around and said "oh my god, stop" to herself, I had to laugh cause I'm exactly the same . I feel you girl haha
13:00 If she Can't stand the pain why does she got to do that? So stupid, poor tattoo artist, paying the price of the indecisive girl.
I don't think Holly should have went home when the guy their didn't do the challenge at all. That should he an automatic elimination as it defeated the purpose.
agreed
especially because its a challenge about proving you can do different styles. They preach about doing different styles the entirety of this show, but it suddenly doesn't matter?
It's crazy how the tattoo artists have absolutely no idea if their tattoos are good or bad until the judges tell them how they feel.
I think part of it might be the adrenaline rush from having recently been trying their best so they never actually get a chance to pause and examine their own work before it gets judged. It's like spelling errors in an essay that you wrote in two hours, if there's a time limit you won't always get the chance to go back and correct them.
@@lizar4581 yeahh def cause they are under pressure when doing the tattoos, that def already sets them up to make mistakes in the first place vs. doing the tattoo with you and just the client or tattoo shop.
I feel like Ash read that in Indian culture a tiger represents “Unpredictability, strength, power.” And then thought to herself “Wait.. I don’t think we’re supposed to say that anymore. This should be Native American.”
Very much what i thought.
LMFAO This is the only explanation that makes sense. FFS.
I feel bad for Pony like she was so nice and her canvas was so weak she wanted to be babied like sweetheart, she aint yo momma🤦🏽♀️
God those judges in the second round were so wrong with their worst picks
10:37 the way ash says “In Native American culture a tiger means… this is so important to me” like native Americans even encountered tigers 😭
Awww they hating on the dogcream cone :(
Idk why people expect tattoo artists to be great artists, technically sound, AND nice at the same time. They are there to give you a piece of art lol, that lady screwed Pony for no reason
Everyone should be nice, no matter what talent. But Pony didn’t do anything wrong here.
The way that lady said so confidently to Holly that Cam is going home, and Holly went home instead. That is a full circle jinx.
That’s bc he didn’t do the challenge. The whole point was to do different styles and he did basically the same style one both. But idk I don’t follow the show.
I detest how gendered ink master is. "this tattoo looks like a woman did it", homie, their genitals aren't the things that are doing the tattooing. I would leave a shop instantly if my artist was trying to put me in some stupid box like that. Art is art, and the judges are just stupid for limiting it.
i don’t get how pony’s light outlines of where she was tattooing is such a huge deal… is it any different than a tattoo artist doing the outline and shading it in? or the artist having to go over a line twice?
Kinda unacceptable how the canvases sometimes walk out/tap out from the pain. You've literally been chosen to be on a show for the sole purpose of getting tattooed. It genuinely ruins everything.
Ink master has really shown me how misogynistic and elitist tattoo artists are. Both the male contestants and judges.
How come the guy who didnt follow the rules wasn't eliminated? The girl's tattoos, I think her name is Holly, was way better than his 🙄
“I dont like the dot work”
BRO ITS CALLED STIPPLING????? 😂 and its super cool to see stippling on a tattoo imo, I have a tattoo with stippling instead of traditional shading and its one of my favourite things about it!
Whenever I watch these and see a tattoo I like but the judges HATE, I always wonder what they would say about my tattoos 😅😅
poor pony
@simon The girl had other tattoos on her arms, not a tattoo virgin.
Still, she probably had better experiences with her other tattoos.
I think she should have expected that in the competition environment, she won't get as friendly a reception, but still.
I think the judges favor the guys. Holly followed the rules and her lady’s nose, eyes, brow, cheeks were beautifully done.
You're a viewer they're professionals 🤣
“Professionals” who think that any tattoo with pink in it must be done by a girl lmao
That ice cream cone pug was sooooo dope. I see what judges were saying about line work but yooo that was so insane. I'd get a tattoo from her anyday
Props to whoever took the time to edit Oliver out of all of these clips
Hi! I notices he's edited out so I'm assuming he did something? (sorry, I'm from Europe and I'm not super updated with what's going on there)
@KiraiSiren if cancel culture really existed, people like Chris Brown would be out of a job. Trump would not have been president. etc.
@@snufkinsix soo you think it doesn't exist?
@KiraiSiren if that’s not racist idk what is dude
Pupcone was beyond the best. It was actually perfect in everything