Here’s Why Idols Always LEAVE JYP Entertainment
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2023
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I mean the fact that lots of idols from jype groups that have disbanded are still in touch with jyp have a good relationship with him personally and professionally, I wouldn’t put all the blame on jyp himself. Jype has very reasonable restrictions. It’s well known that JYPE has a 3-year dating ban starting from debut which makes sense in terms of focusing on your new career and establishing yourself in the industry first. Also, Sunmi has since collaborated with and supported jyp numerous times. The agency has been around for decades and is as big as they are for a reason. Additionally, jyp isn’t the only person running the company. I’m so tired of this narrative about jyp himself being the worst
I totally agree with you, since all of the major companies do have its flaws. I haven't seen other idols from other agencies have such a close bond compare to JYP. Sometimes they just want to put their idols in a successful position and can be demanding or wanting to put them in a comfortable position.
Thank you for saying this! If I were a kpop artist, I’d rather work with JYPE than the other companies overall.
I don’t dislike the other entertainment companies, I’d just prefer JYPE…JYP seems like a person of similar mind/business acumen.
I'd also say that idols leaving jyp before their contract is supposed to end is probably not such a bad thing, other companies will refuse or have even taken legal action before. jype allows it.
It's like how ppl have said that the company clearly has the worst mental health because of all the jype idols going on hiatus for it. The issue's more the other way around, in that jype lets idols take breaks for mental health when needed while other companies will ignore it until they can't anymore.
Also yeah ppl blaming jyp personally for every single thing the company does is kinda weird. He's not been in charge of the company for over a decade now, and people still forget that somehow
People hate on JYP cause he's a meme, ugly etc. Which is really weird when the idols personally have very good things to say about him. And most of the things people bring up about him is basically from the company and not him too. He hasn't been the CEO since 2012 IIRC. But imo that's also what happens when you're the face of the company.
I soo agree with this!!
One thing I will actually give JYP is that he doesn’t drag his former idols when they leave the company. He releases them from their contracts without fighting them over it, and he has a company policy where they don’t comment on their departure.
thats the very reason why RAIN still comes back and has a good relationship with JYP and JYPE
What you expect from YG entertainment stan
Bbc could never 💀
YG literally involved in gRape, murder and suicide cases/investigations involving former idols and trainees… and some YG stan uploads this video….
@@DadzBoat
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When the news of Jinni broke out I was at state of shock because I love NMIXX hopefully one day Jinni would explain of why she left and just keep on supporting her on her new path
I doubt she will tell the full truth. Idk how it is in Korea but in America we have nda where you can't talk about certain things - anything that will make the company look bad.
Yeah i can't see her saying anything. Maybe if she nevercomes back to the industry then maybe she'll say something. But if she goes solo or joins a new group rather her focus on that, then dredging up the past
@@1Skorpia twice member happily condemn jype openly especially about diet
She is one of my Biases in NMIXX TT
@@adeliasoffia7461 because that’s literally something well known by the public therefore them talking about it wouldn’t break contract at all. Also it seems like dieting culture and the topic of weight lost is a normalized conversation point in Korean society. It’s always the notion that idols are _sooo real_ and open, but obviously there is a lot of stuff they not allowed to tell us.
I can't believe that it's almost one month since jinni's departure 😭
Right-
We need to stay strong 🥹
boo hoo
@@jisooqueen45 “boo hoo” get a life
@@jisooqueen45man the blinks….
I’m so sad Jinni left NMIXX, but I also think it’s wrong to speculate why she left. The reality is we don’t know if she left of her own volition or was asked to leave. I hope she does well in her future endeavors. Also, I don’t know if this rule was in effect in 2016 for Day 6, but JYP himself said idols cannot date until three years into their career. They are meant to focus on their work and establishing themselves. Once they reach their three years, they are free to date. Jihyo was past that three year mark when she started dating Kang Daniel, so it was okay.
I'm pretty sure JYP said somewhere that they'd never reveal why someone left their agency in order to allow them to better succeed in whatever they chose to do in future.
I agree. You have signed an agreement. When you break an agreement, it's like breaking trust. You savor trust and you r bound to lose.
I feel like she was asked to leave because look, if she really left on her own then she wouldn't hold her tears at the beginning of the fanmeeting/fansign. I feel like she didn't want to leave if she looked like she was going to bawl her eyes out like that.
@@ukiss4ever7 also how in mama she looked terrified and like she wanted to cry, her smile was so fake, you could see the pain behind it. My poor Jinni, i hope she is alright
@@elsa7594 Exactly. I'm sure she'll be fine after awhile but I think it's too soon for her to be okay. I hope she can rest assured before she decides to come back to the spotlight again in her new self.
jyp can’t reveal why their artists leave the company so tbh jinni could’ve left for any reason possible, but my guess is mental health since she was always very insecure on bubble and the industry is very toxic
They all need ryujin for accounting, financial management, payment of idols and business
Edit: also royalties, bonus, benefits and not a 360 deal + whatever the company wants the deal to be to benefit them financially
what?
LMAOO she makes sure her and her girls get PAID + a bonus
@@zxcvbnm04 Ryujin has publicly called out JYPE on many occasions jokingly (but not really) saying that ITZY deserves a bonus, and they ended up getting it. Then she donated a bunch of money to charity
Please be logical almost this happens with all companies. At least JYPE respect their artists wishes. Any big company has its own rules and regulations treat this as if you are applying for a job and in your offer letter they request certain rules and conditions for you to meet their expectations same goes for idols life.
i dont blame JYP they have an contract and they must perform like it lol i cannot tell my boss that i want to do other stuff because it doesnt suit my style
I believe some artists departed because they just wanted to try something new. Remember, many artist join these companies during highschool and in recent years it could even be elementary school. They then sign a 7-year contract when they are set to debut so their entire youth from HS to young adults has been with the same job. Maybe they want to try other stuff.
I dont think they allow the artists to date in rookies year since the company wants you to work hard and build your career as well as fame first. The early days are really important in building their value and fame. But I do agree with creativity, even 2pm only get their creative freedom later on after years of JYP title's track, thus many of their song have "Jay Why Peeh" innit lol. I guess, after got7, many get their own freedom IF they can write songs that are accepted in quality and "value" by the company. Each company have their own values and color anyway, and this will make audience recognizes who they were and where they came from. ALSO, JYPE didnt really support their solo artist as much as their groups, I do think that is one of the reason they let go some of the artists.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried ...
As for the last part, Stray Kid's Leader confirmed that the company lets them rest whenever they want and they don't overwork them, its just that the artist overwork them selves sometimes, however it might not apply to every artist in that company I guess
I agree. You cannot force an artist to overwork themselves. It's a matter of regulation and work life balance. I get that they can overwork them eg, scheduling but I'm talking about practice, idols usually have planned practices eg an hour per day but if an idol wants to stay for an extra 5 hours it's not the companies fault. Usually that extra 5 hours is usually thier free time. If someone cannot manage themselves and are always pushing themselves to unbelievable extremes its not the companies fault
@@jabitche7032 True dat, I do sometimes find my self over working my self cause I enjoy something so much so I understand the idol's side as well
Corp answer
It's because skz are self produced. Now Chan wants to make songs cause he wants to
Remember when that one fan asked about Chan's health.
Chan replied, "He likes making music so he does it"
Kuddos to our hard working leader
Sometimes I’m a little worried about SKZ, that they might overwork. But I think it’s not from the company, it’s from themselves. When Channie says at a new comeback, that they will work harder, sometimes I hoped they would take a little longer rests and Channie would sleep more 🥺
When I first heard Jinni left I thought maybe she didn't want to pursue idol life anymore. Nowadays, more and more young children are thrown and pushed into the entertainment industry, possibly by their parents or of their own volition. Perhaps she kept going to avoid disappointing her parents because they had sacrificed so much to support her and she had worked so hard to prepare for her debut. Then after debuting and getting to experience what it's like to be an actual K-pop idol, she thought it was not for her. I thought maybe that's why she was getting so emotional at her last fansign event. She was probably contemplating whether to continue her idol career or leave the entertainment industry for the sake of her mental health. If that is not the case, then it must be due to creative differences. As long as she is happy, I will continue to support her on her new path.
A little correction the kpop industry always debuted young kids 13-16 it isn't something new that happening it just you got older and now you're noticing that.
But yeah they start training as such a young age because of some idol dream that not for sure actually for them this is why I think companies should debut/start training only people who graduated so they would still have open doors but companies clearly don't care about those stuff.
When they say they left over creative differences it makes me think that JYPE like most other K-pop companies are looking to create a product. Idols are creatives who love their craft, and as artists want to experiment and grow and be true to themselves. But companies want money, they want to create something that sells, regardless of how authentic it is.
Exactly. At the end of the end, it’s still a business and they need that money to grow to be able to debut their trainees as well. 😊
These idols are just products in the end….
Its not JYP its JYPE…I think all idols have a great relationship with JYP but its the company’s board of directors that are the cause
KOOKIELIT, You should make a "Here's Why everyone is leaving YG" video.
its actually same, lack of creativity. i think thats the big 3 problem
@@lonelust I know, but YG proves too be even WORST than JYP. Just look at the facts:
PSY: Left to open his own label, P-NATION
Gummy: Left to join another agency
SECHSKIES: Two members left
Epik High: Left due to disagreement of contract renewal
2NE1: Minzy left and the group came to end
Lee Hi: Left due to mistreatment
WINNER: Nam Taehyun left due to health problems
BIGBANG: Seungri's in jail, now 3 members left but they're still considered as BIGBANG
iKON: B.I left due to a drug scandal and recently, the other 6 members left as a group
TREASURE: Mashidam left last year
This was the 4th member of his really successful boy groups to have a member leave.
Blackpink is the only group who haven't lost any members.
@@kendalledwards6898 girlie u listing them, let me give u clap. u remembered everythingg
I don’t really think jyp has a problem with artists leaving, out of the big 3 I’d say it’s more yg
JYP is a big company under the big 3. His artists are all very successful. Clearly his vision and work he produces sells well. If he doesn't let a certain artist have creative freedom there is a reason for it. And his attitude towards the artists who decide to leave the company tells you everything you need to know about this man. No resentment just pure respect.
I agree with you 100%. Kookielit just hates JYP.
JYP isn't half as bad as YG is.
Just take a look at the artists who left them:
IKON, Epik High, 2 members from treasure, almost all of Bigbang and PSY are few of them. 2NE1 and Seungri the scumbag are the worst cases tho.
BP gets zero creative freedom although being one of the top artists and their money maker They scrapped so many songs and collabs the members did and as you can see they only got 32 tracks over their whole career which says a lot about their management. Why does it take almost 2 years to give them some songs or are they just milking them before the new GG?
Then we got the Burning sun scandals, the countless drug scandals and YHS being a pedophile who fucked over one of his GG just because he got the hots for an underage member. Best thing about this is that he openly admitted it on TV.
I agree
I have been a blink for so long now
I really wish to see bp make their own songs and also try new styles though i have lost all the hopes till bp is under yg
I want them to leave yg so bad
@@Ponyobean The saddest thing was how they were flying these girls to L.A to make music with well known producers just to not release it on Born Pink.
Agree with you
@@xiaocaomei3438 yeah right they have worked with bella porch and other artists too but those songs were never released.. i feel bad for rosie and jennie they really had to go LA just not to release that later on
And then other fandoms say bp is overrated and untalented they don’t even know how yg is suppressing their creativity
There's a couple of problems with what you're saying. First than anything Epik High is a horrible example because YG took them when they were in a pretty bad spot because of controversies and helped them grow once again, after that Epik High decided to leave because they had different plans and they left without having any problems with YG. The 2 members from Treasure also aren't a good example because the only thing we know is what YG said, which was that Mashiho left for health issues and Yedam because he wants to be a producer, and if that it's true then i don't see the problem, i actually think it's crazy that they let them leave. Bigbang renewed theire contract 3 times before some of them decided to leave and for the time being none of them have criticized YG after leaving and the group still exists. PSY decided to leave because he wanted to create his own company so i don't see the problem there either. So even though they had bad moves (mainly with 2NE1), i don't agree with most of the rest.
JYP himself isn’t a bad person lmao he stepped down being ceo idk why ppl blame him and jinni did it to herself prob some just personal issues and also JYP isn’t a bad company compared to YG etc
one of jype's rules is that idols cannot date until 3 years into their career so that may explain the day6 situation. jyp is definitely the best out of the big 3. yes they do over work their artists but a lot of them might want to keep doing it. a great example is chan. the company asked him (and maybe the other members idk) to take a rest because he was continuously working, and he told them no, that he wants to keep working. I do believe that jype takes care of their artists mental health
arent it bcs it is all about the division, I mean not entire jype
I don’t think the dating ban is that strict anymore. JYP told ITZY to “only date gentlemen” and to be wary of bad men in the industry before their 3 year dating “ban” was over. I feel like that rule is more like, no dating as a trainee but once you debut focus on promoting and don’t publicly date until 3 years after debut.
@@addy8078 I think the 3 year ban is also a way for artists to know the industry well. By 3 years I'm sure you would know where all the insider information. By 3 years you would know who r the 'rude' idols and where they hang. Or even where all the good people r. Or even ways to communicate without interacting. I think alot of jyp policies r well thought out as time goes on
@@jabitche7032 Same, when i first heard of a dating ban I thought it was cruel but looking at how fans react when dating rumours come out or an idol announces they’re having a baby; and how predatory or abusive some seniors can be to rookie idols, I can understand why they do this. Having solid values and being polite are also really good practices for life. It makes JYP idols so likeable. Honestly if they improved in creative freedom and scheduling JYPE would be a great company.
@@addy8078 the way fans react to dating rumours is very inappropriate. Fans don't have a right to be speak on who someone dates and when they do. But I agree with the rookie topic you spoke about. Being new to a place and throwing yourself Into a committed relationship without really knowing the type of reputation that person has is stupid. I think as time is going past jyp has started taking a step back with creative direction. Skz is an amazing example of this. Especially thr skz replay album. We saw every colour that skz hadn't gotten to show. I also respect jype for giving 3racha an opportunity to debut in the hip hop scene before debut. That is something that many companies are afraid to do maybe because of the exclusivity of wanting thier trainees to have a wow effect. But I'm glad that jype is changing and learning from past mistakes even tho it was a harsh way to learn for the other groups
As companies go JYP is actually alright at taking care of their idols. They fail more on promotion and music quality these days. The fact that their idols are able to leave and the company respects their privacy by not revealing the reason, is so much better than most companies!
Yes, they overwork them but I think the industry normalises working yourself almost to death. That’s something that needs to change across the board. Mark and Haechan aren’t in JYP but they’re overworked so much. Look at LOONA, it’s not just a JYP issue. I don’t think we can really blame the man himself, bc even when idols hate JYPE they still speak highly of JYP the dude.
I noticed that a lot of singers or producers who started their own companies tend to live their dreams through their idols.
JYP failed Got7 but they’re learning from their mistakes with their newer groups. Got7 is better off without JYP now and doing their own stuff but they’re always thankful for the man himself and the company. Got7 got to keep their name with JayB’s hard work but JYP did not purposely make it difficult for them. Look at the groups that didn’t get to keep their name. Beast became Highlight. Gfriend disbanded as the company kept the rights. There’s rumours that YG trademarked their artists name even like Gdragon and Lisa.
I still think JYP is a company with integrity.
I’m very sad for Jinni’s departure, but I’m sure JYP didn’t want her to leave either, investing in her future for 6-7 years. She was from Busan living in the JYP dorm.
If she were debuted from another agency, she may could have stayed as an idol. Still, Jinni should have known JYP’s culture.
In regards to creative freedom, I guess it depends on the relationship with the staff members and the division.
I've only been into Kpop for 1.5 years, but to my limited knowledge, JYP seems like the best company to work for of the big 3. Artists are leaving YG in mass right now and the transition from less music and more commercials and ads is depressing, even if it is a business strategy. SM seems to waste their talent the most, such as with NCT, and also not promote their musicians enough. Also more than one idol whose committed suicide has come from SM, so that should tell you something. Starship Entertainment and HYBE I don't know as much about, but promoting only one member of IVE is not smart and for HYBE, I really don't like what their sub company ADOR is doing with Newjeans releasing songs like cookie. I don't care what anyone says, that is a highly sexualized song being sung by minors and that's fucked up.
In my personal opinion sm doesn’t waste their talent, I’m actually impressed with the way that most of their groups are still active even the ones from second gen
@@KittentheFennecFox as a general SM stan, I'd say SM still has a lot of marketing mishaps though. Inconsistent pre-order windows, constant restocking shortages for groups like Red Velvet, multiple artwork plagiarism settlements, and tie-in promotional videos (behind MV, practice, recording sessions) appearing 1-3 weeks after the relevant comeback's 2 week window already ended.
JYP definitely has the most positive opinion of former idols. Maybe the marketing is questionable because all older groups end up disbanding but imo, it’s better to disband than to be in a constant unpredictable hiatus
Only iKON, Daesung and Kang Dong Won left YG recently, i wouldn't say that is leaving "in mass" lol
@@KittentheFennecFox As long as they are on good side of SM. If not, the consequences were quite bad, like Jessica and JYJ.
I feel so bad for jinni she didn't deserve all that 😭
What didn't she deserve?
@@xiaocaomei3438 all the emotional pain leaving her fans and group members
@@death.111n_dior sorry but how do you know it wasn’t because she caused problems?
@@KaO-yu4hs Kpop fans don't like to think critically. All they feel is cognitive bias.
@@death.111n_dior what happened to her?
Actually what a lot of fans as well as OP don’t know is that there is a huge shift in management and operational freedom. JYP never used to work in divisions and was very controlling over artist creativity. However it all changed with Twice, where JYP experimented building a team ard a group and that became a major success. Twice is nation’s girl group then turning into international success. With Twice, JYP also abandoned the house style of half air half voice. Everyone sang in their unique voices - Nayeon, Jihyo etc. and with this successful experiment he tried it with all subsequent groups, Itzy, Straykidz, Nmixx etc. so yes older groups like WG and GOT7 was from the JYP old style of management.
However one thing remained consistent, JYP will let go of artist if they’re not adhering to company values - Jay Park, Jinni, Hyuna etc.
JYPe is just fine. There is nothing wrong if people leave the company. If they didn't get any agreement for renewal Contract, let say about money, creative direction, it is just a normal things. So what. Sometime, we won't work at the same company for the rest our life. The fact that most of JYP former Artist have a good relationship with JYP or JYPe, that's a good thing
this makes me think JYP has a good foundation for young artists and even though the artists expresses frustration some of them seem to have an even better relationship with jyp after they leave and seem to make it even better for jyp not being bitter of the departure. It feels like he knows he has to be strict for young artists so if they grow up and ready to go on their own he can peacefully let them go.
If I would be given a chance to debut in JYP. I would even suggest to them to make the dating ban into 5yrs instead of 3 like what Jihyo said. Any aspiring kpop idol would definitely grab that opportunity. It's JYP after all, debuting under this company is like an instant success. It's guaranteed that they will last long. Unlike when you debuted in a small company, you don't know if you are still a kpop idol after 2/3years.
I'm surprised from this topic because, Stray kids isn't like that.. Changbin said that "he respect so much to JYP because jyp not try to make any chances about their music. He left them to themselves and support them. So today, skz make their own music however they would like to make. They do everything about music they want. Also it's so surprising that "JYP didn't create STray kids" yeah, leader BangChan made this group together. He choose the members. They choose their group names even their logos. They always creat their own music." Actually no one take such a risk that support a group which you didn't create. It was too risky i think. But jyp took a risk and supported Stray Kids, signed a contract and just accept their group in their own way... Just because of that, i have so much respect for JYP. Still not perfect, dont do everything they deserve, but he allow them for making their music freely... I hope all companies try to do best for their idols. These people are working too much and deserve supporting more...
You're right. Don't listen to Kookielit, they just hates JYP and their videos are always heavily biased.
This video, to me, doesn’t make sense in a lot of ways. It just feels like it’s for click and is something that adds to conspiracy theories and adds fuel to fire for no reason. So many idols present and past, have good relationships with JYP, even publicly support him and JYPE artists and he does seem like a pretty decent guy as well. Sometimes people just want a change of scenery, or maybe they want to pursue something else. When it comes to Jinnie, I’m sure she has a reason as to why she quit and they stated that she decided to terminate the contract. Maybe being an idol just wasn’t for her, maybe it had something to do with family, we don’t know and we shouldn’t have to know. It’s her life.
Can we normalize normal humans things such as dating please???? We’re social creatures we long for physical and emotional attention and affection from others
And to you toxic immature fans who are all mostly kids and teenagers who will NEVER date your favourite idols simply because they’re much much older then you please face reality
They have to be single not only for their fans but also for their sponsors..
@@nothanks5162 not true AT ALL.
So most immature toxic fans are like 9 so...
there's a lot of people studying to be doctors who dont have time to date. Not being able to date for your career isnt the end of the world
@@giselleakgae4100 Ikr and people never trust idols when they say they broke up because of lack of time but thats completely plausable.
Honestly I think the only thing that bugs me about JYP is that the idols have way too many comebacks and it seems like the idols don't get much time to breathe but other than that the company seems okay. Hopefully it improves in the future and we can see the idols comeback periods better separated
I think there should be an option for any Idol to return back to the group after they left.
It's always such a final decision
I agree (aka someone please Soojin back T.T )
Sunmi actually did leave Wonder Girls and return a few years later. I don't remember the details but she seemed to be struggling with her mental health and her actual health when she was in Wonder Girls originally so JYPE let her leave for a few years and focus on school. When she was ready, she rejoined the group and after that I think she stayed until they disbanded. However, she's the only person I've ever heard of doing that. Of course both Mina and Jeongyeon took long breaks from Twice so you could say that it was similar except that in Sunmi's case she was actually announced to have left and then wasn't in the group for a few years after while Mina and Jeongyeon were still considered members of Twice.
Even though company is divided into division 1,2,3,etc. They must have a balance between creative freedom and management. Giving idols promotion, chance of improvement of skills and innovation for staff and artist, good work environment is job of company.
I hope they are all okay with their life’s now 😟
They are lol. Sunmi is literally friends with JYP and GOT7 members respect him. Same goes for Somi (who hasn’t had a comeback in over a year at YG) cracks jokes about him directly to him. This video was very anti JYPE, when really no company is perfect.
GOT7 all released their solo albums (with Jinyoung releasing it on 18th), Bam, Jay B and Youngjae even released two (plus JAY B released two more EPs as Def) and they had their most successful group comeback ever. They're finally free and can be themselves. They seem to be really happy and excited, trying new things, getting opportunities and doing what they love to do.
JYP Entertainment tends to have a 3-year dating ban when idols first sign their contracts fyi.
A lot of people may hate JYP but i think he is a good man. I mean he doesn't expose the reasons the artist left even when its very obvious what the reason is. He loves his artist truly and takes care of them. He helps them grow as artist and when they leave they are ten times better than when they started.
Which member left where it was obvious of the reason why
Im totally with JYP on this.
This is his company, he built this empire, this is his life’s work. He can do whatever!
If you want to be creative then dont go to any agency, lets see if you become successful.
Remember, if you debut under JYP, you are using his name, you are automatically famous, which something you can never achieve in a lifespan unless your lucky.
It's kind of like WWE. More success, popularity and money at the expense of creative freedom.
I mean Full Moon/24 hours by Sunmi was one of the most successful releases in kpop history.
Ill tell y'all, Its just a cup of tea
It's just people are not always compatible, some people work great together and some are totally different and can't match
"So to say that this company is the out of the big three would be a lie" Not it wouldn't, despite everything it's still the best company out of the big three and that's a fact
Exactly, specially right now with SM and YG being in shambles. Kookielit just hates JYPE.
My mom and I had this conversation about what makes her sad is when we find out that an idol leaves specifically because of creative differences. K-pop Companies seek and bring ppl in to make them a "star" so you would think that when the artist is in their company they themselves would have complete freedom to explore their sound and find their voice in music. In K-pop, there is very little room to expand, but there are K-pop companies who do break away and allow their artist to make the music they want. Now, seeing this video it makes it that much more difficult and much more sense about JYP himself. He is stuck on this one singular image. He is in the trot Era still for himself, and he has not allowed himself to fully explore. He's also a perfectionist, which makes everything he does about his artistis 1000X's more difficult. With JYP, someone needs to say it, that JYP holds back and hinders a number of artists in the company. It's heartbreaking when any JYPE artist leaves. It's like a piece of the puzzle is missing.
One would think that as many people and fans point out, these k-music industry companies need idols, and without them, they have nothing. These idols are the ones making the companies their money, so these companies need to step back a pay credit to them where it's needed and due. Unfortunately, a lot of K-pop companies make themselves or should I say place themselves on the highest pedestal above the artist when it comes to music (image is a whole different topic to talk about), and they say it's their way or the highway, which is why a lot of idols leave. It should not be like that, but it's sad that it is the way that it is. I will point out that with N.Mixx and Straykids, their music is so diverse from the very beginning. So there are those that do. Of course, not every K-pop company fits in this description. There are very small few that give their artist the creative freedom. JYP has his upside not disclosing the reasons why a few artist artists leaving are very commendable. It leaves the notion that both parties were on the same page for a departure. So when Jinni left, I was baffled and really sad. So we will never know the reason for her leaving, and that's okay. Just support her wherever she goes and the rest of N.Mixx, too.
I just wanted to point out this comment:
"you would think that when the artist is in the company they themselves would have complete freedom to explore their sound and find their voice in music"
this is not the case for most big major labels/companies/agencies. I don't know how old are you, but, when I was in college circa 2004-2010, I hang out a lot with music communities. most of the bands in the communities are indies. there, I learned that major labels/companies/agencies take full control of their artist, even stir away their genre. if you follow music and musicians long enough, you'd see that many musicians have different genres or musical styles when they're on a major label, compared to when they're indies
why is this happening?
because major labels/companies/agencies only care about 1 thing: money. they'll see what can be sold and make a lot of money in the market, and push their artists towards that road, whether the artists like it or not. nothing wrong with it. this is business. companies need to be sure to survive
this is why, there are countless indie label musicians that, after finishing several albums in the contract with a major label, decide to not continue the contract and prefer to back to an indie label. because this is the way for them to have musical freedom, and not be interrupted or pushed by anyone in any direction they didn't like
I don't know much about Korean musical labels/agencies, as, from what I see, they didn't perform the same way as the ones outside Korea. but, I see J-Hope and Vernon's solo music has, like, entirely different genres compared to their groups. which I take, HYBE is one of the labels/agencies that give their artists their freedom, in some way
@@hrtsfrmnsg I would add that gidle is a very rare exception, even more so in this fourth generation. if it weren't for soyeon's absurd talent, they probably would have ended even before the controversy with soojin.
Well 2PM is still in the company for long time until now And yeah some of them are leaving company but their reason are crystal clear bcs they want to do more freely on act carrier
If JYPE really that bad idt these 2PM member still in the same company especially Junho and Nichkhun are one of most popular member, it’s easy for them to move or make new company
Also knowing the fact div 1 are built by 2PM itself bcs they want to keep working with their staff
When Junho saying that on radio it was actually the last 2PM album with jyp songs
After that, all albums are produce by 2PM member itself
sunmi 24Hours are huge hit and make a solid comeback for sunmi return. Question is if JYP doesn’t do what he did, will it be successful like that ?
tbh it’s JYP song, as producer he actually have right to tell a singer to follow his instructions for songs matter
but if that wasn’t his songs but telling her to do this and that then it’s concerning
Stray Kids and Day6 are built under base self-made actually they cannot be compare towards other artists in JYPE
but if you compare got7 to 2PM or WG they actually have same pattern probably even better
“If your not good public figures/did unforgivable mistake the company kick you out”
What’s the wrong things about this? Which part is wrong about this ?
It’s more concerning if you find they deserved to get same spotlight and love from fans same as like them who genuinely good person
if your a parents will you let your kids idolize idol who’ve bad influence for your kids
as public figure it’s also your responsibility to take care your own behavior on public bcs it’s the path that you choose
I'm glad BTS and TXT are under BigHit. They have never complained about this freedom of creativity issue. In fact, BTS would not be what they are now if it weren't for Bang PD's trust in them. Now I'm really glad JYP lets Stray Kids to have full control on their work because that is what has made them so iconic and successful ^^ 💕
Can u please do a “what happened to Jung Jaeone”, I really wanna know what he's been upto. It's been yearsssss
Overworked is such a strong word. Twice and Stray Kids have more than 6 members. There will surely be at least one member that would seem more tired than the others. But that doesn't mean they're overworked. They get a lot of rest and free time in comparison to other groups from other companies that don't even produce music as much as they do. They are both a big group. That means they need to work harder than the smaller groups. That's actually natural.
All JYPE groups work hard to get the recognition they have now. Also, it won't always be perfect. Every career path is a learning process. JYPE may have learned a lot from their past artists over time, and that really shows in their currently active artists.
So saying that JYPE isn't the best group among the three companies mentioned, is the lie here. SM entertainment may be treating their artists well, but I don't see them managing groups as big as JYPE has. The music and the recognition they have in comparison to JYPE, is not even on the same level.
For YG, this is obviously the worst company among the three. They claim they don't overwork their artists but they also milk their artists for money by creating mediocre songs for them. They treat their artists like cash cows and that just doesn't sit well to me. So I think the one you should've made a video for is YG.
I don't agree. Out of the 3, I felt JYP had the best relations with his members. Sure some left but you can't deny that JYP made them into genuine stars first to the point that they still care fondly of him. Can't say the same for the other 2.
Out of EVERYTHING that JYP does, I would much rather be with them then YG, SM or Hybe.
and u ended up in no division 1:'
Wait why not hybe? Aren’t they kinda good though?
@@LM-xw1hf what? they literally deletin those vlive archive on some fans web and u said they are good :' they're evil
@@LM-xw1hfhybe is better than. Sm and yg tho
This really is an interesting topic. I'll admit, the only JYP artist I listen to is Stray Kids, and I only started listening to them about a year ago. At that time, I was aware that JYP had a "certain negative" reputation, which I was aware of due to GOT 7 leaving the label. That being said, however, Stray Kids and their relationship with JYP seemed completely different from the perception I'd developed. It left me very confused! I guess the part about different divisions in the company having different freedom makes sense... it's all just so contradictory. It screams of a weird sort of favoritism.
I'm not sure if that's favoritism...
Stray kids indeed have a lot of freedom but I feel it's something they gained with the years, I think jype is in some sort of understanding that skz's fans love skz's songs and they definitely get good profits out of it so they don't get involved in that. I guess they just don't trust their other artist...
@@HK-yb8op maybe favoritism was the wrong word to use… It is very true, however, each group under the label seems to have different levels of freedom. It’s all very confusing.
@@sexypancake1Also this was the first time the leader chose the member, the group makes their music and some choreo and seungmin openly has mocked jyp’s singing style. But woojin did leave, for whatever reason and div. 1/jyp have executive powers. So….
@@sexypancake1 A stay here from 2020. I've also seen ppl talking about Jyp being strict to Got7 Jb & rejecting his songs in no time. There was a video too. So here's the thing I'll never understand ppl using the term "Favoritism" regarding skz having creative freedom & I've seen a lot ppl say that. I'm saying in general. The reason is ppl don't even know the Journey of Skz. I think the surprise to many is not how a company doesn't give enough creative freedom to their artist bcoz it's basically every other company when the truth comes out. For instance Jessi & Psy. The interesting thing is why such creative freedom given to Skz.
Skz was an experiment to Jype which was expected to not do well. They threw some 20-17 yrs old in this competitive world of kpop where time is so important. Imagine the pressure on their shoulders. Other idols get songs produced by bunch of well-known producers in the industry. Yes Skz also work with talented ppl bts but They didn't have to suffer so much. While the media calls them "Big 3 failures" & kpop stan call their songs "Noise music" just bcoz they can't understand different genre exist guess who's at the front row receiving hate? Skz has written 99% songs of their discography. Like any artist they experience creative blockage. 3racha've shared that there're times they felt like maybe they're doing sthg wrong; they're not good enough. They felt like they worked way harder & the result was not there. It was stays words telling them how their music is relatable, inspiring & comforting that kept them going. And skz's works has to be approved by the company as well. Their song gets rejected. It's just that they keep making more & their speed & quality has improved over the yrs.
It took skz 1yr to win music show. That day Han & Seungmin couldn't stop crying at all even on the backstage. Hyunjin said their family would ask them when'll they get their 1st win & they'd say eventually they'll. During the survival show Chan barely slept. Idol life is already hard & 3racha were doing extra work which is more tough as it's creative process. If it wasn't for Skz's love for music & they worked hard & even promised to keep making music for Stays no matter what others say, I'd have burnt down that Jype building myself. But it's the nature of passion & dedication that make ppl improve. & total 3racha has made music for not just skz but other artist too. Soloist, boy grp, & recently for Niziu new single "Paradise".
Sry for the rant tho.
@@goosegoose3577 No, don't be sorry for the rant! This is what I've always thought of too: SKZ was an experiment. With the popularity of "self-producing ever since debut" BOY groups to be specific (see Seventeen and BTS), it was a concept JYP probably wanted to hop onto. We'll only know it's favoritism once the JLoud boys debut without the self-producing concept.
My only wish is that more girl group trainees gain an interest in self-producing! I actually became a Kpop fan through (G)I-dle, joined Stayville and currently looking into Ateez. All self-producers since day 1.
It's funny how y'all be acting like y'all work for these companies and know everything OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY TELL US. Kpop stans are the funniest
True, most fans are actually worried but it’s seriously not our place to ask/know certain things like this
@@rriahh_ It really isn't. I don't know why they're so desperate to know
It’s hard that my top 3 kpop groups are JYPE groups. Stray Kids, Twice, and Day6 are my ults. The only thing I can hold onto is that SM and YG are just as cutthroat as JYP. HYBE is getting there.
Why can't people just fair well jinni without mentioning fans. She left for personal reasons we should respect that. We don't know what she was going through and we should hope for what ever she's happy now. But something that's pissing me off is that fact that kpop stans r making iy about themselves. 'My bias in NMIXX left' 'She was my safe space' 'My life is now over'. Imagine how guilty jinni must feel if she ever reads that. We don't know what happened, making things that isn't about u centred on you is stupid
I agree
You really have to apply experience of knowing how corporates will ALWAYS word press-related statements. Add into that mix the reality of ego (not just JYP), his relative ownership and propriety of the company. And then Korean cultures currency for respect for elders and then aswell JVPs religious disposition.
Put it all together and if you cross or mistakenly dont show sufficient respect for either JYP himself OR what he believes on multiple levels including his religion and or musical tastes, plus if you happen to excessively laugh at, for example, his attempts to remain modern, or at an older man dancing the latest choreography there may be trouble.
It could be anything that Jinni might have either mistakenly done or shown to either JYP or a sernior or even being too smart or not smart enough and she might have bought herself an exit ticket.
the problem of course with Jinni is that JYP is almost literally HOW she grew up, so at this point tossing her out actually screams of an indictment of their culture and not of her. They raised her. (And they probably should have taken care of her).
Agencies also know this so to maintain appearances they will not be afraid to manufacture motives and reasons why they have basicallly discarded someone who falls out of favour. Its that incredibly shady line that they walk in their dealings and responsibilities with minors.
I always thought something was up with yg, cuz whenever I looks at kprofiles I always see in so many groups - they were a former JYP trainee or they spent 2 years at JYP before leaving, it’s especially crazy when you look at all the trainees 2017-2019 because they had so many lineups but it’s was only the 5 ITZY members who finally debuted and so many left.
I wonder if Stray Kids will be renewing their contract.
they don’t look like a group who would disband so idk
I think if they don’t renew the problem is worse than we thought because SKZ has the most freedom out of anyone at JYP (other than 2pm). It’s so interesting how experiences within the different divisions of JYP are night and day. Also as much as I love Chan he is a bit of a Teacher’s Pet. He appears to be extremely loyal to JYP as he was indoctrinated early into the company culture and was there for a long time.
However I think what may sway him and the rest of the members is if anything threatens another member of SKZ . So watch how they handle the Hyunjin situation. I doubt he will allow another Woojin situation to happen, especially now he has really stepped into his leadership position not just in SKZ but at JYP, he has a bit more power. Chan was practically a boy still when that happened, he’s now a man with far more experience and influence. Im not naïve enough to think he has a grand amount of power, but he has enough to throw his weight around. He’s more than just an artist at the company.
If Bang Ye-dam could leave YG and treasure after being with YG since childhood anything is possible.
@@HotSaucenRacha you made all really good points. Personally, I think it will come down to money. JYPE still gets a large chunk of their profits. Now that they have had 2 years of so much success and recognition, the money should be rolling in. They're still living in a roommate situation and we all see how tiny Chan's room is. Also, if Chan can't get his hairloss under control, that wll definitely derail his chances of having another 7 years as a boyband idol, unfortunately.
@@lisettes.9598 His hair loss isn’t a problem. That’s really the easiest out of all of the problems. There are a few procedures he can undergo, I’m not an expert but I worked at the front desk of a hair loss clinic in college. His case isn’t approaching the worse before pic I’ve seen. The only problem is he will need a chunk of time to stay undercover for about a month. The healing process isn’t pretty. South Korea is one of the plastic surgery capitals of the world, so he would be in good hands. I actually think his hair loss is stress related not the usual suspects and probably why they haven’t sent him under the knife yet. It could also be related to whatever ailment he’s been going through. I imagine they are doing the responsible thing by treating it with meds before doing anything drastic.
Some of our fav 30+ idols have gotten hair transplant procedures. It’s very popular in S. Korea.
The question is does Chan want to continue to be an idol? Like Bang Ye-dam they are both talented producers. It also seems like he is enjoying himself the most in everything leading up to the performances.
@@lisettes.9598 I agree about money. Stray Kids are extremely popular right now, but JYP is obsessed with image. They have shot the company in the for before in order to keep the image pure. 😒
I'm baffled at how people call it 'favoritism' in the case b/w got7 and skz. Skz got their creative freedom because they earned it. Entertainment agencies just don't simply let teenagers produce music under the label right away, it's Skz that put in their artistry and contributed to a song that was somehow were well-received by fans and they continued to make good music. Since their music was well-received by the public and have proven their musical creativity, of course their company would understandably trust them.
The management for Got7 may have been different in the past but people should understand that once you sign a contract, you are bound by it's conditions and it natural for a company who provides the RESOURCES, MONEY upfront to have their own discretion on what music goes out under that label. If you do not come to an agreement with the company or management, it's okay to leave as well. The best thing about JYPE is they do not disclose anything that could potentially ruin their former artists who leave their company.
Big thumbs up!
I agree!
Let's be honest, Kookielit just hates JYPE.
Agree
Are you implying that Got7 didn't earn creative freedom under JYP? As in they weren't as capable as SKZ?
Jype have a bad reputation for a reason, they are not the greatest company, ending contracts without valid reason, Idols ending up miserable & unhappy with these strict methods, they should always be supported & treated as the human beings they are, not just like a product to sell. The idols should have their talents nurtured & have the creative freedom over their careers & performances, you get the best out of your Artists when you treat them right
Not related, but your a bts army but your username is whipped for jeon Jungkook
People who see your username or atleast bts army might think your a solo stan.
Why don't you want to change your username to something like bts army or army or bts ot7 ect.
Your username makes seem like your a solo stan
@@chayazeff1995 bro check their videos their clearly not a solo stan
@@chayazeff1995 their bias is just jungkook
@@chayazeff1995 having a bias doesnt mean they are a solo stan
TBH I think they have valid reasons for ending contracts. They just don't think it is important to tell the whole world what the real reason is. It could be anything, health issues, personal issues, creative differences etc, but rest of the world don't need to know it. It is between the company and the artist.
Starting to think this youtube channel hates JYPE so much 💁🏼♀️
why we must love a kpop company tho? thats something fishy that's why these acc made the vid
@@lonelust Lol no one said about loving a kpop community. It’s just kinda sus why she made this kind of content and only focusing on JYPE when there are other companies out there with artists also leaving their company that’s why it sounded sketchy to me. Should she be unbiased she should also make a video about the other companies 🫢
I hope Jinni's departure was of her own volition. They had one of the most talented idols, a girl with stunning visuals and did nothing to promote her. JYPe does not deserve her. I hope she redebuts and has an amazing career because she truly deserves it. Peace 💜
Jinni probably recognised that nmixx will go nowhere so she chose to cut it short and do something else.
Ngl, I think Jinni left because she just doesn’t like the concept or the music they’re making
@@minaryeon9259 it’s very likely
@@K1TTYBR4T that could be true
I think so too. There are a few idols who left their group because they didn't like their concept. One example is Somi of Kard. She debuted with April but left because she didn't like cute concepts. That might be the same with Jinni.
It might be related to mental health too. The hate Nmixx got during their debut days are quite a lot and seems to be stressful to go through as a teenager or young adult.
Or it might e creatives freedom or something else we'll never know. But I hope the best for Jinni in her future endeavors.
Well, look at it this way. JYPE invests so much money into their talent (as mentioned in the video). It's not just training, dorms, and the usual things, but mental healthcare, a nutritious cafe, and so on. So with that much money on the line, JYPE wants their artist to make hits to return that investment. Since JYP is a proven hit maker, he's hands on. His style has been working for a long time, so he's got a sense on what the public want to hear and see. Now he's not spot-on 100% of the time, but his record of producing winning hits is far more than his failures. So yeah, as an artist you want to explore and do other things, but for a business I can understand why JYPE is reluctant to allow this.
NOW, that's not to say that the artist under his label aren't capable of producing hits if given the chance, but you can see the companies POV. There also might be an aspect of him being a control freak for personal reason (in that it's his personality). BUT I have to think that if, say, Soyeon of ( )I-DLE wanted to collab with a JYP artist, he'd be smart enough to let her do her thing because she's proven that she doesn't write flops. If any of the JYPE artist produced a banger of a b-track and consistently did so, if he had any kind of logic, he would allow more creative control. It's less work on him and his team and allows his artist to stretch out a bit. But since they don't create huge B-tracks, then it's a risk. We know that multiple members under JYPE have written popular b-tracks, but they're popular within their own fandom, NOT outside of it. Let's say Chaeyoung's "Basics" blew up, you know he'd market the hell out of that. I mean, the company actively encourages ship-culture between her and Mina, so should Chaeyoung make a buzz as a songwriter you know he'd jump on that. That's just more money. At least you'd think so.
I don't know why I write these novel sized comments to these videos....
As much as everyone keeps saying JYPE is the least bad of the big 3, as an ahgase who followed a big chunk of Got7's career and saw how mistreated and sabotaged they were, I can't really respect this company. Maybe they know better now with the newer groups (debatable, look at Itzy's awful mismanagement), but Got7 didn't deserve to go through that.
ALL KPOP Companies have artists that don't renew their contracts. If anything, JYP goes to great lengths to try to re-sign their artists. Unfortunately, children can be easily influenced into thinking that grass is greener, or that they can do better with another agency.
That is RARELY the case that these former JYP artists ever find a better deal anywhere else. Even though some may go on to have solo careers, they rarely attain the level of popularity and prominence that they enjoyed while a JYP artist.
But, do continue to spread BS and lies about THE BEST KPOP AGENCY. We will wait ...
Meanwhile, over at SM, people simply disappear before they can leave....
Well, if the are SO strict with their idols, what means for JYPE entertainment to "cross the line"? The fact is that we don´t know. Crossing the line can mean complaining about JYPE. The company won´t like this and will treat this as "making a mistake".They clearly say that if idols make "a mistake" they will have to leave and then will blame the idols saying it was their personal choice, and then they will not say the reason why they left to protect their privacy. How convenient! If they don´t let them be creative, or are mistreated, or ignored, or overworked and they complain, JYPE will not like it. They are forcing them to leave directly or indirectly, people, open your eyes!
I will also say I call bullshit on the artists “not being able to be creative” because let’s be real, these artists are NOT independent artists. They are let’s be real-contracted employees. They sign a contract and that doesn’t include Artistic Freedom. Let’s also be real, just because you can lip sync to a track and do choreography, a composer and producer it does not make. Just because you’re a popular idol who can sing a song someone else wrote and perform a dance routine someone else choreographed doesn’t mean you can write music that SELLS. At the end of the day it’s a business and they’re in it for money.
Stray Kidz has said already that they don´t force them to work. Bang Chan himself basically said to the fans to leave him alone and he is the one who decides when to rest. You are doing it again like with Garam. You are talking with half information and calling it facts.
ahh i tought its refer to twice, since i see jeongyeon clip
JYPE is still the top company that genuinely cares for their idols welfare they may be strict on their rules and contracts but thats the thing an artist must cross to be famous JYPE would even pud to an extent to hire professionals to deal with artist stress and health issues, food and etc. just to be able to provide the best for their talents JYP him self even gave up his CEO position since he wanted to focus more in his personal music career so he cant do both without jeopardizing one so he chose the latter. even TWICE would say they own 90% of their time saying that they over work their artist is the wrong statement knowing that the time that the artist would have to work are solely in their own decision just like how TWICE and other groups are doing they decide what projects they would like to take and how much in a day would they want to spend on working so saying that JYPE is overworking such a false statement JYP already explained that many times already that JYPE has no say on what their talents would take with promotions and solo projects all the revenues will go to personal managers and talents as well their only role is to promote them in terms of music. thats the very reason why TWICE and their members get to venture out of their music career in terms of brand endorsements etc. and JYP is very keen on taking only those he see with real talent and great personality thats one reason why theres less bullying and suicidal issue in JYPE with that i think JYPE is still the best KPOP company in many years to come.
I agree. Does the company have flaws? Absolutely. Which company doesn't? And if we're being honest, JYP is definitely a lot better than the other ones, or at least the "lesser evil". Kookielit just hates JYPE
@@merla692 exactly you can just put blame on the company every time an artist leaves there might be some disagreement on both parties but that doesnt conclude that the company is bad there might be alot of factor the play in when why they partways RAIN said that on his YT too why he needed to leave JYPE and JYP was cool about it.
Jamie Park (solo artist) & Woojin (former SKZ) left the company too due to creativity freedom.
we don't know why woojin left stray kids but I assume that they had a big fight inside of them (woojin and the others) and as self produced group they weren't in the same page which lead to woojin departure from the group
I'm thankful skz under division 1. We know all the divisions under jype has their own strength and weakness but div 1 still the best for my skz. They has freedom to explore their own style and creative in music. Chan and members can freely throw their own thought and making their own music and ideas.
People confusing the company with jyp himself. Cant blame jyp (person) but his company and the people who help manage his company are at fault.
I don't think JYP fire the idols without warning . JYP have to protect the group , they don't want the whole group destroy because of one member fault . we see this in many idols group
Thats why some of jyp idol sounds chipmunks
@KOOKIELIT can you make a video discussing the big 4 companies (sm, hype, jype , yg) good points an dbad points
K so analyze SM, YG, and HYBE now. Your previous video talks about Hyunjin, yet in that video you didn’t mention that he was proven innocent. Now this video weirdly slanders JYP and JYPE when really no company is perfect. Yet, you ‘failed’ to mention Sunmi and GOT7 still respect him. Sunmi is even good friends with him.
arent she said that sunmi still in a good relationship here? i hear it clear, it just she lacks of things when under jyp. and is it true that hyunjin is innocence? it just confusing why ppl still talking about he being a bully
@@lonelust where in the video did she say she’s still good friends with JYP? (sorry if that sounds aggressive) She mostly talked about Sunmi and the lack of creative decisions. And yes, Hyunjin was proven innocent. He had teachers and other fellow students come out and say he wasn’t a bully, him and the guy were just harsh towards each other. After both guys apologized to _each other_ the guy who said Hyunjin was a bully came out and said that all was good as well as that he’ll even be _supporting_ Hyunjin. During his hiatus, he even did community service as reflection although both parties were harsh to one another. The girl who said that he was rude to her lied because he went to an all-boys school as a kid. A few months ago a thread from previous students at SOPA (I think it was SOPA) came out recalling how nice he was to them. The hate he's receiving from knetz and anti’s is unnecessary.
@@sofi_773 i forget which video but what i meant her not good friends, more like good relationship. since jyp seems always support every sunmi's work, like they even made a tiktok for heartburn. its actually telling that sunmi still in a good relationship to jypark
Dont be selfish, JYP is good company.
If the CEO getting Bias and didnt give same treatment to all of their idols, others will get jealous and the company will lost its balance.
You're right. Kookielit just hates JYP
Jyp knows he just don’t care what you mean you have to let them go or their polices will collapse
These dating bans are stupid. You can have these artists who can be in their mid 20’s being told they can’t have a relationship. I really don’t know the reasoning for this idiotic ban.
The dating ban is just for show, Legally speaking, no contract can violate your human rights and freedom of choice in this matter. Companies just say that idols have dating bans to reassure insecure fans and reduce the attention on idols. They can't really stop the idol from dating if they want to. If there is a dating ban, it's an informal one - Its unwise, and you should not do it, but if you do, you should keep it within your private life
From a business perspective, keeping such activities under the radar benefits both the idols and company in ways that fans who romanticize them will see them as available and will keep continuing to support them. Hardcore fans tend to be somewhat delusional and taking their "relationship" with said idol(s) a bit too seriously and personal
still believe jyp is miles better than yg and sm.
imo sm was better, jyp is mid and yg is worst. it just kinda obvious. and let me add something, I'm not saying best a "best" of course they all have something to do for these capitalism cycle
It’s sad how my bias Jinni left the group on MY BIRTHDAY 😭😭
jyp only has a dating ban 3 years after debut
Big companies are invested in a bottom line. If you are good as Stray Kids and have proven you don't actually need much oversight to push out bangers ($$$ talks and Stray Kids self produced stuff actually did well), you get all the creative control you need.
If you simply can't perform on your own, sorry, you will still be under the thumb of producers and directors.
the bigger the company you expect bigger rule whatever it is, and understandable, because the standar is higher means the stakes is higher too
That's why, if you want more free creativity, then sign with small company.
@@mathew-10969 yea, idols sometimes join the big company to get more attention at first, then move to small company or making their own afterwards
Perhaps JYP lacks providing positive motivation to its artists bcz let’s face it… We ALL have flaws and it is fear of loss and desire to gain that keep us self disciplined to progress.
I am still emotional about ikon
have you guys considered that this is all blah blah blah and it might just be a matter of percentage of profits and salaries?
korean entertainment is notorious for going to ridiculous extremes to try to keep an image of purity
and although I understand that Korean society is very complex and has an overwhelmingly strong cancel culture... I wish artists, idols, actors, ... would just proudly admit that this is a job, that they work for money, and that they are adults with real imperfect lifes
of course this is wishful thinking because kpop main market target is minors or adults with brains of a minor who just want to keep living in a fantasy
in my opinion the worst thing kpop artists have to endure is not overworking... i think the worse thing is constantly pretending, constantly faking it... pretending you love fans, pretending you are superfriends with your bandmates and everyone around you, pretending you do not have sex or relationships, pretending you are always nice and cheerful...
kpop is entertainment , it is not artistry... artistry should come from honesty and unfortunately kpop is all beautiful lies
Off topic: but can make a video about EVOL from stardom ent
6 years training then debut then left.., maybe jinni dont like o.o concept just like me and my sister 😂😂, but now i think o.o is way better than itzy comeback, its okay she young she can make many choices..
The point of the dating ban is not that fans think they have a chance with their bias but that idols should have all their attention and affection towards their fans, not some boyfriend or girlfriend because it ruins the illusion. Stop being simps and saying you're OK with everything or we'll be one step removed from them doing lives with their boyfriend or girlfriends.
Are you saying people are simps because they wouldn't care if an idol dates?
A company, at the end of the day, is trying to make profits. JYP might control the creative process bcs he wanted to play 'safe.' He has been in the industry, he knew what works and what doesnt, and the artists might be complaining now, but all of the songs mentioned were big hits. Sunmi's 24 hour, GOT7 A, Twice's Cheer up... If JYP decide to give the artists freedom back then, the song might not be as a big hit rather than they are today. Usually when the artists are rookies, their songs would be decided by the company because they need to breakthrough the industry and make a name for themselves. Though, I agree at some point JYP has to let the artists have do their own thing, maybe not in main albums, but solo projects, mixtape, etc., when the artists are established
I think JYP as a person isn't a bad person, all the artists keep a good relationships with him even after they left. It's just a matter of creative differences & lack of management/planning. Also, JYP is one of the few company in the industry that actually provides mental healthcare for their artists. They're not perfect, but better than YG/SM in my opinion, at least. As for HYBE, Bang Shihyuk was ex-JYP so he learned a lot from JYP, improves the things that are lacking and keeping the good ones, so they're a bit similar in that. But I do think HYBE gives their artists more freedom than JYP, as mentioned by BTS, Le Sserafim, Svt, etc
In my opinion I think jyp is somewhat the best company compared to the big 3
I agree. Kookielit just hates JYPE
I think JYP gives them a pass in dating and creative involvement (to some degree) when the group is successful
I'm not saying anything here in favour of jype I'm just saying this as a normal fan
1. Overworking , so as a trainee I agree that you must work without looking at the clock if you really want to succeed the kpop or any entertainment industry is not easy it's really hard to make it there and not only entertainment industry but if you really want to achieve something you should workd hard even if it mean overworking cause it's gonna pay you back later
2. Dating , so I do think that dating while you're working on your carrer is definitely gonna distract you not only for celebrities but also for normal people ( and I'm saying this because rn I feel while I'm trying to make my future I don't want anything to distract me ) and jype policies allow them to date after 3 years but then again the idols can't date just because of the toxic fans , the toxic fans make it so difficult for them to date
3. Even though jyp founded the company but it's not him who runs it now yeah I agree he is the cheif but still the ceo is the one deciding everything so don't hate on jyp cause he is no longer involved in everything
Freedom . I think artists should have freedom while they are creating their own work so I'm not on jype's side in controlling Their artists but you can also look at the bad side of it if the artists are given too much freedom they can get distracted and maybe do something wrong which will again' disgrade the company
Also I don't really understand the division system in jype..so if anyone know please tell me about it
I don't know that it is the worst record, but it is certainly high... Not too long ago artists were leaving p nation left and right ... And some artists just stop and disappear without many noticing
Dating a fan is completely different from dating another artist or even ordinary people.
i think this speaks a lot for the situation itzy is in.I mean many idols have left bc of the lack of creativity that they had and itzy might be next.Although i hope they stick together and move on to another company
Okay but ITZY having their own division is pretty fucking awesome. Just wish they hadn't released Sneakers cause that was...unprecedented madness.
that division was suck istg, like u handled one group and cant do the right job, its pissed me off
It too hard to work they