Dragon born should have taken power from both sides and keep Skyrim to himself... I mean noone got balls enough to go to the afterlife to fight alduin... Case closed
@@marsfreelander5969 It's called conquest of skyrim and it is awesome :D make your own faction and flip a finger on everybody as you take control over the entire map and becomes high king/queen. there is even economics to handle.
@@marsfreelander5969 I'm pretty sure there is a mod allowing the Dragonborn to become The High King of Skyrim either by killing the previous one or by gaining support of majority of the jarls.
Before i ever start the main quest line. I do all the side shit i can and make a name for myself. As far as im concerned i am talos reincarnated and the thalmor are on the top of my shit list in big bold letters with mulitple under scores under them. You ruined my empire and have subjugated it. Its time i make myself understood. No matter what race they are Skyrim is the new seat of the empire and im cleaning my house. The thalmor hate me with burning passion because its not just on sight i actively hunt them. Doesn't help i know their encampments and make it know just how much i despise them off the bat. I go full old world wrath of god, fire and brimstone levels of fuck you NGL.
I agree, but recently I've decided to align with the Empire. There is game evidence that the Thalmor work to actively create a rebellion in Skyrim to weaken the Empire. And if you pay attention, the Enpire doesn't send many troops to Skyrim to fight this rebellion as they are keeping their troops on the borders with the Thalmor to defend vs a attack, and to potentially invade them when rdy. It's also mentioned in the story that the Empire is just biding it's time till they grow strong enough to attack the Thalmor. Basically if the storm cloaks win, the Empire is weakened enough for the Thalmor to win, which is why the Thalmor support the tensions and war in Skyrim. If you want the Thalmor truly beaten, support the Empire, they are playing the long game
I never said I sided with Ulfric. I kill him myself. He is no true son of Skyrim. The empire maintains a hold in Skyrim. I also take the jagged crown and claim the throne becoming high king. I lock elenwyn up in her embassy and make the Aldmeri Dominion blind to the goings on in Skyrim and the empire masses strength in the north. Then I retake bruma with the blades which I reformed And begin the offensive campaign. The Aldmeri Dominion knew they couldn't take Skyrim themselves which is why they incited the civil war and in my game they never will. I kill everyone of them that can escape Skyrim or lock them up so I can keep it quiet. Blind the enemy to our true strength. Ulfric was greedy and just wanted the throne for his own gains. I make no such concessions. I took it to strength Skyrim and the empire because an empire is only as strong as the one leading it. I mod the hell out of my game so I can get this kind of thing to happen and I make myself a hybrid werebear/vampire lord so I am beyond physically and magical powerful along with enchanting my ass off so I'm next to unkillable with my armor and weapons. I never have to transform. Imagine if Sauron and Darth Vader were mixed together but they weren't evil. I know my character has become a monster masquerading as human and I plan on killing him off ass soon as I'm done retaking Cyrodil Blackmarsh Morrowind and the orcs are on our side too. which put the Aldmeri Dominion in real trouble because then they have to deal with nords dark elves imperials and argonians which are cracked in their own right all of them. Us banding together means they lose and I lead from the front in the fight with my people not from behind barking orders. I even have dissenting high elves among our ranks. High Rock is next on the list to free. It's not an isolationist move. It's a counter offensive. If they side with the ideals of subjugation of those they deem lesser than them then they are the true enemy regardless of race. That's why I hit bruma first. We retake Cyrodil then Morrowind and Blackmarsh systematically. remove them from Cyrodil and you have much of the empires strength back when you combine Skyrim and Cyrodil with the strength of the orcs because the orcs live right in the mountains bordering skyrim. Orcs and nords together are bad enough. Then getting more imperial back in the fold and on board with retaking the Capital is even more of a oh shit. Like I said I don't side with Ulfric. I just use my knowledge of tactics to work in my benefit. If the Thalmor are blind to what is going on it gives me an advantage and as high king of Skyrim and dragonborn I have more pull than I really need to make friends with neighboring provinces. I tell them we are retaking the empire and I guarantee you most of the other provinces are gonna be behind me because the high elves of the Aldmeri Dominion only treat their own kind well. If you aren't a high elf ur trash is their philosophy. Time to show them Tamriel is done with their shit.
The thalmor are a bunch of liars, tjey lied abou the oblivion crisis, they probably lied about the return of the 2 moons, and probably they lied about being the superior race but whatever plans they had, they will backfire and probably the high elves will be almost extinct if history of elders scrolls had a lesson to learn is like elves races dont last forever
@@thizzmonkey7846holy jeez come back to reality its like your completely lost in the world of skyrim talking like you live in that world with all the skyrim politics damn
"But you see, we here in High Hrothgar have worked very hard to make absolutely sure that this negotiation does not spiral out of control. But you. You, with no regard for the well-being of others have the nerve to create a disruption over political strife." (Like if you get the quote)
Whilst Tullius seems more level headed than Ulfric here, Tullius is actually making extremely unreasonable demands. Firstly, Ulfric is entirely grounded in asking for the Thalmor to not be present at this meeting. It isn’t any of their business, it’s a petty power play from the elves. It’s quite ignorant that the Imperials here genuinely expected Ulfric to say nothing, and then start to sarcastically say “that didn’t take long” when he makes a reasonable and expected objection. Tullius wants Riften, giving the Empire access to the land South of Windhelm? And he expects the worthless Province of Morthal to be fair compensation for that, and is insulted that an equal trade is agreed? Bearing in mind, the other Imperial Provinces stop the stormcloaks from safely delivering their silver to the East, so it’s still a bad deal for the stormcloaks. Wanting compensation for an actual war crime is very reasonable, but there is no trial or anything. Exchanging land for peace can be done in a meeting like this, but going on trial for a war crime is not realistic in this setting. Right demand at the wrong time. It comes across as more of an attempt to redirect the stormcloaks war funding than anything else. Which isn’t in good faith. So now he’s complaining about the Dragonborn being biased, despite all the current decisions being neutrally beneficial, actually refusing to give blatantly favourable deals to the Empire. And then he asks for Winterhold for free? The Province right next to Windhelm? He doesn’t expect to have to give up anything for it? Boo hoo the Dragonborn is biased because he won’t let you make demands in bad faith, knowing Ulfric, being a patriotic Nord, has respect for the Dragonborn and is likely to comply with his decisions even if he feels they are bad for him? Tullius isn’t conducting this meeting in good faith, he is being entirely unreasonable, especially compared to Ulfric. Contrasting what you’d expect, really. I’d also like to say I’m not a Stormcloak supporter, or an Imperial. I actually think both sides are right and wrong in the war.
@jacquesdixon2480 but other than close proximity to Solitude, Morthal provides nothing. Meanwhile Riften provides the Empire with full control over the south of Skyrim, and great trade routes with Cyrodil
I was thinking the same thing. If anything idk why anyone is even making demands here. Like hey idiots, stop fighting for a few minutes and help kill the WORLD EATER DRAGON so you don’t fuel his power by killing each other
@@jacquesdixon2480there is a waterway between Morthal and Solitude, so you can't easily assault Solitude from Morthal. Once a beige does begin in the end, ya Morthal could provide trade and support, but not s great spot to attack from
@@VU70I88I don’t think so, if you side only with the stormcloaks or only for the imperials for the first couple of questions the other side will get fed up and stop the negotiations at trading riften/markarth or whatever you choose
shame that they don't take the map a bit more seriously, the stormcloaks just gained control of the reach which is surrounded by mountains and imperial-controlled provinces
@@-kdot-2332 As someone else mentioned, the routes leading from the reach are surrounded by Imperial encampments.... meaning any convoy to or from said mines would be prime targets for an Imperial forces in the area...
no body does, there are videos of people that defend every single elf race of all IP's that still place the thalmor under the bus, not in the back under
@@sam.w8477Fuck the Thalmor, if it wasn't for Ulfric, the empire would be in a stronger position. Now, I like Ulfric on some level. But he went about everything the wrong way. Killing his political rival the way he did is one key thing I am very against.
At this point Empire didn't need to have Riften officially handed over to them, it doesn't make any difference since Maven already rules the city in all but the name xD
I wouldn't say feeing The Empire from having to deal both with Stormcloaks and Forsworn and turning Fornsworn against Stormcloaks instead is bad for The Empire. Also Ulfric is not working for Thalmor. He just lets Thalmor manipulate him by playing on his hate for the Empire. But Ulfric hates Thalmor too. Truth is it's fruitless to try to eradicate Stormcloaks. It's a fool's errand. Kill Ulfric - that realistically won't solve a damn thing and the Empire will not be any stronger. Because that's precisely the mistake USA have made both in Iraq and Afghanistan. You must not openly fight the Stormcloaks. Keep them in control instead without really trying to slaughter them. And focus on swaying the people of Skyrim. Because the Stormcloaks only exist as long as people of Skyrim allow them to. And the Talibs only exist as long as people of Afghanistan don't believe they have any other options realistically. That's the real enemy you have to fight and it's not the kind of fight you win by bombing and killing people. Terrorists cannot be wiped out by a military assault. This kind of fight just doesn't work this way. As long as there are people in Skyrim believing Stormcloaks can do better than the Empire - Stormcloaks will continue to be a problem and they will resurface when you least expect them to.
@@ripLunarBirdCLH I'm well aware of the Forsworn and the fact that Ulfric hates the Thalmor, but that does not change the fact that he is keeping the Thalmor in power, and if he wins, chances are they'll STAY in power for even longer. Besides, the Empire is best for Skyrim and Tamriel as a whole. To weaken the Empire is to weaken Skyrim.
I think the dragonborne could've seized the opportunity to make everyone in that room support him as a true dragonborn and claimant to the Empire. Gaining power in the shadows, ending the civil war because they know the dragonborne will rule them all and, most importantly, fight the Thalmor and end the altmer dominion. I think in the lore it could be pretty possible that our dragonborne becomes the next emperor and we see him as the emperor fighting the dominion in TES VI
Ironically, to me, Markarth is the worst possible trade that Ulfric could have asked for. It’s completely cut off from Stormcloak territory, especially with Riften being given in exchange for. So what he’s done is give up his only border territory in exchange for land he has to go through imperial territory to get supplies to. Bad tactic in the best of times.
Markarth is right next to solitude and is highly defendable. And the stormcloaks could stage raids and attacks from markarth and regroup and supply there.
But you see, Markarth is of personal value to Ulfric. As this is the site of his first major victory. (Driving out the Forsworn) This moment was the one that made me realize that Ulfric is unfit to be High King of Skyrim, back when I played the game for the first time. What he Shows here, is that his own ego and personal glory matters more to him then his people. Who should be any good rulers first priority. He may talk big about wanting to free the people of Skyrim, but ultimately, the only person Ulfric Stormcloak cares about is Ulfric Stormcloak. (I did force myself to play through the civil war quest as a stormcloak on a different playthrough later, and that only drove the final nail into the coffin. While I may morally agree with the rebel cause on principle, the pragmat in me cannot allow this fanatic maniac and his lipspittles to rule.)
My first internal reaction was: Ulfric, I agree with you the thalmor shouldnt be here, but youre doing everything in your power to convince me otherwise right now
In my thousands of hours playing, I have NEVER played in favor of the Empire. Even with trying, they are beyond insufferable. I am a proud Storm Cloak player. Always... Phuck the false empire, and those that would sacrifice Talos for political gain. There is no "peace" with the Thalmor; only an armistice. A clouded truce rife with blatant corruption. One that would have any free Nord in chains... Down with the Empire, and may the elven slime feel the wrath of the Ascended God Dragons. May the *NINE DIVINE* strike down the scum...
I'd say their ultimate objective is but like every side there are bad apples and definitely mishandling going on to a point but nothing like what the Thalmor are doing through the empire
@@lincolngravemann682 Except their bad apples are not theirs, they're just supporters. Pretty much all Stormcloaks in game are objectively good or neutral people. The Empire on the other hand, uses torturers routinely that leave their victims to starve to death and don't even bother to clean up their bones. The Empire massacres healers and desecrates their bodies to deny them a proper burial. The Empire knows about the Thalmor plan and still does its bidding. An Imperial Jarl committed the massacres against the Forsworn and an Imperial scholar put the blame on Ulfric later on in a propaganda book. The list goes on and on.
@@dwight3555 some stormcloak soldiers are bad too but yeah alot of their bad apple are just their supporters and some imperials have the misconception that helping the Thalmor will give the empire time to recover but that doesn't work when you are helping the Thalmor kill your own citizens
@@user-le8ev6gl9p Balgruuf is an objectively bad Jarl and person who screams in rage at every single person around him, and Whiterun is a position one HAS to take to control Skyrim since it's exactly in the center. Ulfric has no other choice, and Vignar is an objectively much better Jarl and person, he has the respect of the companions, that accounts for a lot.
I don't think I ever had the Thalmor attend the meeting hmmm and honestly from and intellectual standpoint you should want to exclude them. The Thalmor are obsessed with ruling the kingdoms of men in fact the desire to enslave them as the Ayleids did. The Thalmor have an angle on Ulfric as you learn from his dossier and they dictate the actions of the empire ultimately. The Dragonborn is the greatest weapon the humans have against the Aldmeri Dominion and all of Mer kind therefore he commands their fear, he holds a power not even their greatest sorcerers can acquire the power to use the language of dragons no the language of gods and the power to befriend or dominate and command dragon kind. The Dragonborn is the tipping factor in the war for the control of Tamriel. Besides Talos there isn't a known Dragonborn outside of the first age and they came from a time when the Dragon Cult and Ysgramor ruled and protected skyrim with profound strength and the elves were afraid of them because they could not march over them and enslave them. The Dragon Born is like the only chance the empire and the rest of humanity has to be free from another coming of the Ayleid Empire he is way more important and has a bigger destiny than just beating Alduin. As the last Dragonborn he has to be humanities champion against the endless servants of the Daedra that would see humanity enslaved or destroyed. Some fans forget a good handful of the Daedra are committed to destroying the creations of Lorkhan's deception upon the Aedra in the creating of mundus which includes Humanity. If Elder Scrolls 6 doesn't go in on this I would be disappointed. Some fans don't even know no other race than a human one can be canonically Dragonborn the other options are just for the roleplay of the player and this is due to the fact that those races were not created with the gifts of the gods that humanity was, I am curious about the story of how powerful the first Man or Woman was because they would have the purest 1st hand power of these gifts not some deluded power over descended lineages going thousands of years. If this upsets anyone I don't care that's just a lore fact the Elves and kind of Mer existed before the creation of mundus it's literally inspired By Tolkien's Silmarillion story of how the Elves were the first creations and they lived with the gods before the world was actually created.
Ulfric bad beceause he's racist but loves dark elves!? Lmao! You do know that the dark elves were the only ones in Tamriel still practicing slavery until the Red Mountain blew up? C'mon man.. By contrast Ulfric was never obliged to help the dark elf refugees in any way. They can count themselves lucky to be in the grey quarters instead of just refused entry to Windhelm altogether. And please tell, what action did Ulfric himself take to opress the dunmer he so generously allowed refuge?
Ulfric is bitter towards elves that's for sure but he does let any race join the stormcloaks granted the dark elves have it bad in windhelm but he looked out for them more then the citizens there did but that isnt saying much to be honest I think windhelm needs someone else to be Jarl that can focus on just being the Jarl taking care of its citizens while Ulfric is better as a general
hey thanks for this video, but do you know if it's possible to get this quest if i'm already with the Stormcloaks, and still have Jarl Baalgruf show up to this peace council up in High Hrothgar with the Greybeards? since i'm still only on the "Message to Whiterun" quest to give Baalgruf Ulfric's War Axe (but i haven't gave it to him yet) ?
Yes, you can't have done Battle of Whiterun yet. Balgruf doesn't want to let you use Dragonsreach to trap a dragon while the civil war is on, for fear that one side or the other will take advantage of the situation to take the city by force.
I recently just bought this game am about 2 hours in and im having issues with it my back pack is constantly being full and im walking alot where can i sell my stuff
Best place are general good stores, they will accept anything. For armor and weapons go to blacksmiths, potions and ingredients can be sold to apothecaries. Every Major town will have at least these 3 venders, if not many more.
Tysm am having fun exploring oh i stumbled on this icon on the map it looked like a mamoth icon so i explored and ran into some giants errm lets just say my bow and arrow had no effect on them lol and i got launched into the heavens with one wack of the club
You only get this quest if you haven't yet done the Battle of Whiterun by the time you get to the main story quest to trap the dragon. Balgruf doesn't want to let you use the castle because he's worried one side of the civil war or the other will take advantage of the city guard being distracted to take the city by force. If Whiterun is already controlled by one side then that's not a concern.
It's not a mod. You just have to get to the main story quest to trap the dragon without doing the battle of Whiterun civil war quest. As long as Whiterun is still neutral you'll get this quest.
That akward 30 seconds of silence and a quick check of the quest journal is part of the complete skyrim package
Tbh the dragonborn could just threten them to solo their army if any the guy in the room is not content with the temporary peace we need.
so true, Dragonborn could also visit all provinces and let them know there will be no wars, and thats just the way it is...
Dragon born should have taken power from both sides and keep Skyrim to himself... I mean noone got balls enough to go to the afterlife to fight alduin... Case closed
Someone needs to make a mod of that lmao
Call it the *"fuck both your factions faction"*
@@marsfreelander5969 It's called conquest of skyrim and it is awesome :D make your own faction and flip a finger on everybody as you take control over the entire map and becomes high king/queen. there is even economics to handle.
@@marsfreelander5969
I'm pretty sure there is a mod allowing the Dragonborn to become The High King of Skyrim either by killing the previous one or by gaining support of majority of the jarls.
Aka "the thalmor's most feared and skilled future adversary basically telling them to fuck off"
3:43 oh you must mean the white-brown concodat because I wiped my a$$ with it.
Such luck, to find a man of culture in the comment section! I salute you, kind sir!
@@maiqtheliar5891 men of culture got to stick together If not, then what are we.😁
OI I'LL TAKE YA HEAD FOR THAT
Just help the kids become dragons near the imperial camps
I said the same thing when she mentioned it LOL😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
“If we have to negotiate the terms of negotiations, then we will never get anywhere”
Isnt that how negotiations actually start in history
And they mostly end in blood.
If you aren't willing to negotiate, you're not likely to keep your life.
Imagine walking all the way to High Hrothgar only to leave within A minute.
Arngier’s sarcasm kills me in the beginning
Before i ever start the main quest line. I do all the side shit i can and make a name for myself. As far as im concerned i am talos reincarnated and the thalmor are on the top of my shit list in big bold letters with mulitple under scores under them. You ruined my empire and have subjugated it. Its time i make myself understood. No matter what race they are Skyrim is the new seat of the empire and im cleaning my house. The thalmor hate me with burning passion because its not just on sight i actively hunt them. Doesn't help i know their encampments and make it know just how much i despise them off the bat. I go full old world wrath of god, fire and brimstone levels of fuck you NGL.
I agree, but recently I've decided to align with the Empire.
There is game evidence that the Thalmor work to actively create a rebellion in Skyrim to weaken the Empire.
And if you pay attention, the Enpire doesn't send many troops to Skyrim to fight this rebellion as they are keeping their troops on the borders with the Thalmor to defend vs a attack, and to potentially invade them when rdy.
It's also mentioned in the story that the Empire is just biding it's time till they grow strong enough to attack the Thalmor.
Basically if the storm cloaks win, the Empire is weakened enough for the Thalmor to win, which is why the Thalmor support the tensions and war in Skyrim.
If you want the Thalmor truly beaten, support the Empire, they are playing the long game
I never said I sided with Ulfric. I kill him myself. He is no true son of Skyrim. The empire maintains a hold in Skyrim. I also take the jagged crown and claim the throne becoming high king. I lock elenwyn up in her embassy and make the Aldmeri Dominion blind to the goings on in Skyrim and the empire masses strength in the north. Then I retake bruma with the blades which I reformed And begin the offensive campaign. The Aldmeri Dominion knew they couldn't take Skyrim themselves which is why they incited the civil war and in my game they never will. I kill everyone of them that can escape Skyrim or lock them up so I can keep it quiet. Blind the enemy to our true strength. Ulfric was greedy and just wanted the throne for his own gains. I make no such concessions. I took it to strength Skyrim and the empire because an empire is only as strong as the one leading it. I mod the hell out of my game so I can get this kind of thing to happen and I make myself a hybrid werebear/vampire lord so I am beyond physically and magical powerful along with enchanting my ass off so I'm next to unkillable with my armor and weapons. I never have to transform. Imagine if Sauron and Darth Vader were mixed together but they weren't evil. I know my character has become a monster masquerading as human and I plan on killing him off ass soon as I'm done retaking Cyrodil Blackmarsh Morrowind and the orcs are on our side too. which put the Aldmeri Dominion in real trouble because then they have to deal with nords dark elves imperials and argonians which are cracked in their own right all of them. Us banding together means they lose and I lead from the front in the fight with my people not from behind barking orders. I even have dissenting high elves among our ranks. High Rock is next on the list to free. It's not an isolationist move. It's a counter offensive. If they side with the ideals of subjugation of those they deem lesser than them then they are the true enemy regardless of race. That's why I hit bruma first. We retake Cyrodil then Morrowind and Blackmarsh systematically. remove them from Cyrodil and you have much of the empires strength back when you combine Skyrim and Cyrodil with the strength of the orcs because the orcs live right in the mountains bordering skyrim. Orcs and nords together are bad enough. Then getting more imperial back in the fold and on board with retaking the Capital is even more of a oh shit. Like I said I don't side with Ulfric. I just use my knowledge of tactics to work in my benefit. If the Thalmor are blind to what is going on it gives me an advantage and as high king of Skyrim and dragonborn I have more pull than I really need to make friends with neighboring provinces. I tell them we are retaking the empire and I guarantee you most of the other provinces are gonna be behind me because the high elves of the Aldmeri Dominion only treat their own kind well. If you aren't a high elf ur trash is their philosophy. Time to show them Tamriel is done with their shit.
The thalmor are a bunch of liars, tjey lied abou the oblivion crisis, they probably lied about the return of the 2 moons, and probably they lied about being the superior race but whatever plans they had, they will backfire and probably the high elves will be almost extinct if history of elders scrolls had a lesson to learn is like elves races dont last forever
@@josevillanueva2944 Dwemmer and Falmer/Snow elves are an example of that
@@thizzmonkey7846holy jeez come back to reality its like your completely lost in the world of skyrim talking like you live in that world with all the skyrim politics damn
"But you see, we here in High Hrothgar have worked very hard to make absolutely sure that this negotiation does not spiral out of control. But you. You, with no regard for the well-being of others have the nerve to create a disruption over political strife."
(Like if you get the quote)
Whilst Tullius seems more level headed than Ulfric here, Tullius is actually making extremely unreasonable demands.
Firstly, Ulfric is entirely grounded in asking for the Thalmor to not be present at this meeting. It isn’t any of their business, it’s a petty power play from the elves. It’s quite ignorant that the Imperials here genuinely expected Ulfric to say nothing, and then start to sarcastically say “that didn’t take long” when he makes a reasonable and expected objection.
Tullius wants Riften, giving the Empire access to the land South of Windhelm? And he expects the worthless Province of Morthal to be fair compensation for that, and is insulted that an equal trade is agreed? Bearing in mind, the other Imperial Provinces stop the stormcloaks from safely delivering their silver to the East, so it’s still a bad deal for the stormcloaks.
Wanting compensation for an actual war crime is very reasonable, but there is no trial or anything. Exchanging land for peace can be done in a meeting like this, but going on trial for a war crime is not realistic in this setting. Right demand at the wrong time. It comes across as more of an attempt to redirect the stormcloaks war funding than anything else. Which isn’t in good faith.
So now he’s complaining about the Dragonborn being biased, despite all the current decisions being neutrally beneficial, actually refusing to give blatantly favourable deals to the Empire.
And then he asks for Winterhold for free? The Province right next to Windhelm? He doesn’t expect to have to give up anything for it? Boo hoo the Dragonborn is biased because he won’t let you make demands in bad faith, knowing Ulfric, being a patriotic Nord, has respect for the Dragonborn and is likely to comply with his decisions even if he feels they are bad for him?
Tullius isn’t conducting this meeting in good faith, he is being entirely unreasonable, especially compared to Ulfric. Contrasting what you’d expect, really.
I’d also like to say I’m not a Stormcloak supporter, or an Imperial. I actually think both sides are right and wrong in the war.
Mortal is right next to the province where Solitude is…
@jacquesdixon2480 but other than close proximity to Solitude, Morthal provides nothing. Meanwhile Riften provides the Empire with full control over the south of Skyrim, and great trade routes with Cyrodil
@@jacquesdixon2480 it's also got a terrible economy and a pretty lousy terrain that would be difficult to bring the Stormcloak army through
I was thinking the same thing. If anything idk why anyone is even making demands here. Like hey idiots, stop fighting for a few minutes and help kill the WORLD EATER DRAGON so you don’t fuel his power by killing each other
@@jacquesdixon2480there is a waterway between Morthal and Solitude, so you can't easily assault Solitude from Morthal.
Once a beige does begin in the end, ya Morthal could provide trade and support, but not s great spot to attack from
The whitegold concordit violates the treaty itself. Especaly when the Dragon born is creating the the treaty.
Wow that's way more dialogue than I have in my game .
You sure? I always forget how long this segment is
@@breezedancer7485I think he’s being sarcastic lmao
@@VU70I88I don’t think so, if you side only with the stormcloaks or only for the imperials for the first couple of questions the other side will get fed up and stop the negotiations at trading riften/markarth or whatever you choose
shame that they don't take the map a bit more seriously, the stormcloaks just gained control of the reach which is surrounded by mountains and imperial-controlled provinces
Yeah but they have rich silver mines, economic power
@@-kdot-2332 As someone else mentioned, the routes leading from the reach are surrounded by Imperial encampments.... meaning any convoy to or from said mines would be prime targets for an Imperial forces in the area...
I support the empire, but i really don't like playing nice with the thalmor.
no body does, there are videos of people that defend every single elf race of all IP's that still place the thalmor under the bus, not in the back under
Same here like I am an imperial sider and it’s always on sight when I see thalmor on the road
@@sam.w8477Fuck the Thalmor, if it wasn't for Ulfric, the empire would be in a stronger position. Now, I like Ulfric on some level. But he went about everything the wrong way. Killing his political rival the way he did is one key thing I am very against.
At this point Empire didn't need to have Riften officially handed over to them, it doesn't make any difference since Maven already rules the city in all but the name xD
This guy: Kicks Thalmor out of the meeting
Also this guy: Proceeds to help the Thalmor and Stormcloaks gain further advantage over the Empire anyways.
you imperial bastard
Luv me Talos, luv me Skyrim, luv me black briar mead, h8 thalmor and the empire. Not raciss, jus don' like 'em. Simple as.
Not really, now the Forsworn are Ulfric's problem....poisoned the chalice. 😂😅😂😅😂
I wouldn't say feeing The Empire from having to deal both with Stormcloaks and Forsworn and turning Fornsworn against Stormcloaks instead is bad for The Empire.
Also Ulfric is not working for Thalmor. He just lets Thalmor manipulate him by playing on his hate for the Empire. But Ulfric hates Thalmor too.
Truth is it's fruitless to try to eradicate Stormcloaks. It's a fool's errand. Kill Ulfric - that realistically won't solve a damn thing and the Empire will not be any stronger. Because that's precisely the mistake USA have made both in Iraq and Afghanistan. You must not openly fight the Stormcloaks. Keep them in control instead without really trying to slaughter them. And focus on swaying the people of Skyrim.
Because the Stormcloaks only exist as long as people of Skyrim allow them to. And the Talibs only exist as long as people of Afghanistan don't believe they have any other options realistically. That's the real enemy you have to fight and it's not the kind of fight you win by bombing and killing people.
Terrorists cannot be wiped out by a military assault. This kind of fight just doesn't work this way. As long as there are people in Skyrim believing Stormcloaks can do better than the Empire - Stormcloaks will continue to be a problem and they will resurface when you least expect them to.
@@ripLunarBirdCLH I'm well aware of the Forsworn and the fact that Ulfric hates the Thalmor, but that does not change the fact that he is keeping the Thalmor in power, and if he wins, chances are they'll STAY in power for even longer.
Besides, the Empire is best for Skyrim and Tamriel as a whole. To weaken the Empire is to weaken Skyrim.
Max Von Sydow will be greatly missed.
Galmar saying yes my lord kinda reminded me of sebastian
What Sebastian?
@@bartudundar3193 black butler
@@shinonyx69 oh. The Sebastian I was thinking of is also a butler but not african american. He is more of a dragon descent.
@@bartudundar3193 huh? I was talking about the demon butler from the anime
@@shinonyx69 And I was talking about the dragon butler from the anime.
I think the dragonborne could've seized the opportunity to make everyone in that room support him as a true dragonborn and claimant to the Empire. Gaining power in the shadows, ending the civil war because they know the dragonborne will rule them all and, most importantly, fight the Thalmor and end the altmer dominion. I think in the lore it could be pretty possible that our dragonborne becomes the next emperor and we see him as the emperor fighting the dominion in TES VI
Ironically, to me, Markarth is the worst possible trade that Ulfric could have asked for. It’s completely cut off from Stormcloak territory, especially with Riften being given in exchange for. So what he’s done is give up his only border territory in exchange for land he has to go through imperial territory to get supplies to. Bad tactic in the best of times.
Markarth is right next to solitude and is highly defendable. And the stormcloaks could stage raids and attacks from markarth and regroup and supply there.
But you see, Markarth is of personal value to Ulfric. As this is the site of his first major victory. (Driving out the Forsworn)
This moment was the one that made me realize that Ulfric is unfit to be High King of Skyrim, back when I played the game for the first time. What he Shows here, is that his own ego and personal glory matters more to him then his people. Who should be any good rulers first priority.
He may talk big about wanting to free the people of Skyrim, but ultimately, the only person Ulfric Stormcloak cares about is Ulfric Stormcloak.
(I did force myself to play through the civil war quest as a stormcloak on a different playthrough later, and that only drove the final nail into the coffin. While I may morally agree with the rebel cause on principle, the pragmat in me cannot allow this fanatic maniac and his lipspittles to rule.)
My first internal reaction was: Ulfric, I agree with you the thalmor shouldnt be here, but youre doing everything in your power to convince me otherwise right now
0:39 because war war never changes 😂
So Arngeir is basically Otto von Bisrmark.
They really dropped the ball on this part, they could have used the Thalmor dossier here but I guess it wouldn't "just work".
Idk every demand tulius had seemed reasonable to me
In my thousands of hours playing, I have NEVER played in favor of the Empire. Even with trying, they are beyond insufferable. I am a proud Storm Cloak player. Always... Phuck the false empire, and those that would sacrifice Talos for political gain. There is no "peace" with the Thalmor; only an armistice. A clouded truce rife with blatant corruption. One that would have any free Nord in chains...
Down with the Empire, and may the elven slime feel the wrath of the Ascended God Dragons. May the *NINE DIVINE* strike down the scum...
here, here
Why does it sound like they are speaking in talkie walkies?
Evgir Unslaad.
Skyrim needs more cho
white- concordat? Is it the white big textbook or something? cause I knew what it is and give zero fucks about it so I threw it away
Hail Ulfric, the Stormcloaks are right on every single issue.
I'd say their ultimate objective is but like every side there are bad apples and definitely mishandling going on to a point but nothing like what the Thalmor are doing through the empire
@@lincolngravemann682 Except their bad apples are not theirs, they're just supporters. Pretty much all Stormcloaks in game are objectively good or neutral people.
The Empire on the other hand, uses torturers routinely that leave their victims to starve to death and don't even bother to clean up their bones. The Empire massacres healers and desecrates their bodies to deny them a proper burial. The Empire knows about the Thalmor plan and still does its bidding. An Imperial Jarl committed the massacres against the Forsworn and an Imperial scholar put the blame on Ulfric later on in a propaganda book. The list goes on and on.
@@dwight3555 some stormcloak soldiers are bad too but yeah alot of their bad apple are just their supporters and some imperials have the misconception that helping the Thalmor will give the empire time to recover but that doesn't work when you are helping the Thalmor kill your own citizens
If you ignore the part where they takeover whiterun then yes hail ulfric
@@user-le8ev6gl9p Balgruuf is an objectively bad Jarl and person who screams in rage at every single person around him, and Whiterun is a position one HAS to take to control Skyrim since it's exactly in the center. Ulfric has no other choice, and Vignar is an objectively much better Jarl and person, he has the respect of the companions, that accounts for a lot.
I don't think I ever had the Thalmor attend the meeting hmmm and honestly from and intellectual standpoint you should want to exclude them. The Thalmor are obsessed with ruling the kingdoms of men in fact the desire to enslave them as the Ayleids did. The Thalmor have an angle on Ulfric as you learn from his dossier and they dictate the actions of the empire ultimately. The Dragonborn is the greatest weapon the humans have against the Aldmeri Dominion and all of Mer kind therefore he commands their fear, he holds a power not even their greatest sorcerers can acquire the power to use the language of dragons no the language of gods and the power to befriend or dominate and command dragon kind. The Dragonborn is the tipping factor in the war for the control of Tamriel. Besides Talos there isn't a known Dragonborn outside of the first age and they came from a time when the Dragon Cult and Ysgramor ruled and protected skyrim with profound strength and the elves were afraid of them because they could not march over them and enslave them. The Dragon Born is like the only chance the empire and the rest of humanity has to be free from another coming of the Ayleid Empire he is way more important and has a bigger destiny than just beating Alduin. As the last Dragonborn he has to be humanities champion against the endless servants of the Daedra that would see humanity enslaved or destroyed. Some fans forget a good handful of the Daedra are committed to destroying the creations of Lorkhan's deception upon the Aedra in the creating of mundus which includes Humanity. If Elder Scrolls 6 doesn't go in on this I would be disappointed. Some fans don't even know no other race than a human one can be canonically Dragonborn the other options are just for the roleplay of the player and this is due to the fact that those races were not created with the gifts of the gods that humanity was, I am curious about the story of how powerful the first Man or Woman was because they would have the purest 1st hand power of these gifts not some deluded power over descended lineages going thousands of years. If this upsets anyone I don't care that's just a lore fact the Elves and kind of Mer existed before the creation of mundus it's literally inspired By Tolkien's Silmarillion story of how the Elves were the first creations and they lived with the gods before the world was actually created.
What mission is this? Is there a guide?
You need to first do all of the stuff in Whiterun and after you kill the dragon you unlock a shout, then the Greybeards will call for you.
Basically, progress through the main story without completing the civil war quest line.
Sided with the Empire, Ulfric is a bit Xenophobic(i got love for dark elves)... But still sent that snobby thalmor out ... It really felt good
Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet, anyways....
Ulfric bad beceause he's racist but loves dark elves!? Lmao! You do know that the dark elves were the only ones in Tamriel still practicing slavery until the Red Mountain blew up? C'mon man.. By contrast Ulfric was never obliged to help the dark elf refugees in any way. They can count themselves lucky to be in the grey quarters instead of just refused entry to Windhelm altogether. And please tell, what action did Ulfric himself take to opress the dunmer he so generously allowed refuge?
@@tendertackle669his nord citizens harassed the dark elves and he did nothing. After his defeat, the elves and argonians had it better in Windhelm.
Ulfric is bitter towards elves that's for sure but he does let any race join the stormcloaks granted the dark elves have it bad in windhelm but he looked out for them more then the citizens there did but that isnt saying much to be honest I think windhelm needs someone else to be Jarl that can focus on just being the Jarl taking care of its citizens while Ulfric is better as a general
cringe ass comment
jesus you had BASE Lydia all the way untill this point?
oh yea, love Lydia
Wow no comments!
Ulfric has balls to speak like that - isnt he an agent of the Thalmor himself? :D
hey thanks for this video, but do you know if it's possible to get this quest if i'm already with the Stormcloaks, and still have Jarl Baalgruf show up to this peace council up in High Hrothgar with the Greybeards? since i'm still only on the "Message to Whiterun" quest to give Baalgruf Ulfric's War Axe (but i haven't gave it to him yet) ?
yes, i think so, please tell me if im incorrect
Yes, you can't have done Battle of Whiterun yet. Balgruf doesn't want to let you use Dragonsreach to trap a dragon while the civil war is on, for fear that one side or the other will take advantage of the situation to take the city by force.
I recently just bought this game am about 2 hours in and im having issues with it my back pack is constantly being full and im walking alot where can i sell my stuff
Best place are general good stores, they will accept anything. For armor and weapons go to blacksmiths, potions and ingredients can be sold to apothecaries. Every Major town will have at least these 3 venders, if not many more.
Tysm am having fun exploring oh i stumbled on this icon on the map it looked like a mamoth icon so i explored and ran into some giants errm lets just say my bow and arrow had no effect on them lol and i got launched into the heavens with one wack of the club
Do you play with mods?
if you do can you tell me whats your fav one
yes i do, i have many favorite mods Hegen Reborn, Falskaar, Beyond Reach, Wymstooth, etc
@@randyskyrim1115 i love helgen reborn i put it after i escape helgen
@@SushiSS70 awesome, one of the best early mods for Skyrim
@@randyskyrim1115 i like it so much and i like dragonborn gallery
Never experienced this lol
yea its a cool mod, i think they took it down though
This is what happens when you do the main quest line before doing the civil war quest line
I dont remember this?
You only get this quest if you haven't yet done the Battle of Whiterun by the time you get to the main story quest to trap the dragon.
Balgruf doesn't want to let you use the castle because he's worried one side of the civil war or the other will take advantage of the city guard being distracted to take the city by force. If Whiterun is already controlled by one side then that's not a concern.
i totaly skipped this part, cuz before i got to this i allready joined the empire and killed ulfric, LOL
How did you get this quest
You don't do any civil war quests until u need to trap a dragon on whiterun
Choice
What mission is this?
You can do this mission if you don't join empire/stormcloaks untill when you have to capture a dragon at Whiterun.
is it a mod or something?
yes
@@randyskyrim1115 which one is it?
its NO MOD, UA-cam how to get them to meet, BUT IT IS NOT A MOD
@@AGCcachanilla Thats crazy
It's not a mod. You just have to get to the main story quest to trap the dragon without doing the battle of Whiterun civil war quest. As long as Whiterun is still neutral you'll get this quest.
Dragonbone gear looks like poop.
You favor the stormcloaks? What madness is this?
Common sense
Yeah common sense if you want the Thalmor to rule skyrim. Typical, short-sighted Nord
@@DAethrys
Galmar had to take a dump lol 🤣