Why do metal fans like screaming??
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Why do metal fans like screaming? I react to pergproductions video that attempts to answer that question!
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Thanks for the shout out! Here are my thoughts:
Believe it or not, I actually go out of my way in my videos to annunciate and soften my accent for international viewers. In real life, you'd be right, I do say me'al with a glottal stop. If you can't understand me, idk I guess you just have to get used to the accent.
Sorry Finn, I was 9 years old in 2009, so I'm afraid I don't remember the false Slam discourse. I was watching Ben 10.
16:50 THEY DID BRING IT BACK! Sort of. Just for one song. Listen to their song Triple Beam of 2018's Catharsis. It sounds like a Nu Metal "don't do drugs, kids" school video.
Also, I know you're being ironic in a lot of this but just to be clear: I don't think I have ever said anything gatekeepy in my videos. I like a lot of the same bands that "elitsits" like but I'm happy to admit when I like a Nu Metal or Deathcore band.
Fellow Scottish here, the idea that your accent is strong enough to need captions in this video is hilarious
Thank you for watching, and great video!
I'm not scottish, but I've had some experience with scottish accent. I've watched a bunch of Limmy's videos and compared to him you have close to no accent.
But I guess if it's the first time someone hears a scottish accent, it can be hard to understand. I personally like the accent (and find it rather funny, ngl).
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA sir it’s not just metal fans. Hardcore and punk fans also like screaming.
Without being a pedantic ****er.
We all gotta understand that a great deal of the comedic roasting Finn does is completely sarcastic and for humorous effect. He's not the sort of guy who insults others in earnest.
I think Finn’s grand plan all along was to start making youtube videos about metal music to lure the metal
Community in. And now that we’re all here he’s locked the door and is bullying us. Total Chad move.
Just trying to save you from yourselves
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA vouch, I only touched 3 boobies in high-school and listened to infant anihilator before I watched your videos now I only listen to butt rock and pop and I've touched innumerable boobies thank you for changing my life finn
I feel tha
I, too, have felt bullied by Finn
Top comment 😂
I listen to metal because the world's a fucked up place and listening to pop seems like gaslighting myself
Can’t believe Mgk literally created screamo
mgk is better than every metal band cause he has more Instagram followers
MGK did NOT create screamo. He's not even a Rockstar. He's a rapper. There's a difference to be observed.
@@OmegaRedFan sorry my bad he created black metal. How could I have mistaken the two
@@stg_tmc you are wrong again dude. Machine Gun Kelly never made any metal.
@@stg_tmc before you get dirty, just remember, mgk did NOT create any form of metal. Black metal was made in Finland and other east Europe countries mgk has never been to.
lmao the inhale part killed me 😂 had a guy audition for our band back in 2008 and he made two videos: one inhale, one exhale, just in case we wouldn’t “allow” inhales
Lol!
Ive pratice inhale technic for years and ive never been able to do it those people are crezty
I think I actually loved growling the first time I heard it. The black metal hiss is still a bit harder for me to get into even 30+ years later.
Black metal vocals are underappreciated. Bands with satanic themes never get that radio-push in America, Because "Christians" own everything.
@@OmegaRedFan That's not really a problem here in Sweden though. They didn't get radio push back in the day because the music was made to be inaccessible. Just like extremely experimental jazz is not pushed on the radio because a regular person that hasn't heard it before can't stand it.
I was expecting a comprehensive video on "harsh vocals" but all I saw was a list of screamo bands😤
Screamo lit
Definitely agree that scream and death growls are very different. I quite like screaming, especially when it is of the James Hatfield "Screaming in key" variety. And I am fine with death growls but if I am listening to death metal its for the guitar rather than the voice in most cases. With the growl, if the singer has a really great sense of rhythm and knows how to do it in a way that the vocals sound considerably different from song to song, I'm more inclined to appreciate the growl. Find I prefer growls that are a little higher pitched. I also quite like metal that has cleaner vocal styles.
My normie friends call anything with screaming “screamo”. It drives me nuts
Holy shit so agreed! My sister called Pantera screamo once haha no kidding
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Whether personally or publicly, you should definitely check out Gonilac's best "heffy" metal albums of the year, and especially the "Bastardized history of brutal death metal."
Man if you listening Infester album To the Depths, in Degradation, the vocal sp brutal a the time
Wanna know what screaming use for?
Get into the boot camp, then joining the Marine Corps, then the Navy Seal, then say goodbye to your love ones, then goto the deployment for 8 years abroad and no breaks! Until you’re back from the deployment, then hopefully that Scottish know what screaming is for. His sounds like he hasn’t finished with his mom’s breastfeeding time yet… 🤣
I love metal but there’s an irritating rash in the metal scene everywhere you go. Some of the most gate keeping dorks in any music genre. Fucking hipsters in camo shorts. “Bro, you’ve NEVER heard ‘Goraflictikon’ ?!? Yeah whatever poseur. I mean , nobody has but it’s the best demo ever. So heavy. ” 😂😂😂
I'm thirty. My days of showing metal to people that definitely don't want to hear it, are long gone lol. It's something you grow out of
This is honestly one of my ALL TIME favorite vids from you Finn. From the rage bait to the undeniably hilarious sarcasm like ah man I just had a hard day at work bro, and this with some great food I just had is EXACTLY what I needed. Good shit sir ✊🏻🤘🏻 I fucking love your content man
Why does Finn want Rob Halford to step on him or kick him in the balls?
Nevermind, I don't think I want to know.
You see Corpsegrinder in that show dressed like that then you might run into him at Disneyland wearing the Mickey ears and with a Mickey plushie in his hands
Finn is a hardcore jock. Making fun of Europeans and Scotts is really representative of how most HC fans are pretty much trying to look cool and tough, projecting their insecurities on ''normies''.
Yes
Everyone makes fun of how Scots speak. Even other Scots. Folk from Glasgow make fun of how folk from Edinburgh speak, and rightly so.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA The music scene from 1998 called and said that Korn killed Hardcore without any resistance. :D
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA We're still waiting for you the Vandals video. I wanna know if you will make fun of the Assorted Jelly Beans :)
The original video is unironically amazing and worth watching without Finn's reaction
Nobody has to even watch a basic rant video by some guy with a computer. I know my bands. When you listen to good bands for years, and a random "thread" says your music is "screamo" "hahaha mark", etc. You may say "wow people are stupid". But you won't say that if you're not smart.
@@OmegaRedFan I don't understand. Are you saying the original video is terrible or Finn's video is?
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I was in high school when the nu-metal machine head album dropped and it was the sole reason I didn’t know machine head didn’t always sound like that for a solid decade because I wrote them off immediately. I have since learned the error of my ways
Personally I don’t mind nu metal Machine Head. But glad you gave them another chance they’re one of my favourite bands.
They sound amazing live. If anything I think they sound better than albums
Never seen myself as a "MetalHead" or even a part of that community i still enjoy the harsh vocals and fast paced riffs because i find myself more relaxed by it than other genres of music
LOL I was the same as a kid "I like metal but all that screaming is a bit too much for me." Even though I listened to Nu Metal, which had a ton of screaming in it. That's why I got into bands like Linkin Park, Korn, Papa Roach, etc. But Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, and all the others grew on me, and now I need screaming.
that was great, good to see not only the video explaining it but your commentary on it as well; lol at dressing like fork lift drivers and Sabaton
I like screaming because it makes the music feel heavier. Its more interesting and i just like deeper voices and more intense sounding stuff
I’ll watch whatever you post cause I love your content but I prefer the tiered lists or other highlights as opposed to these reaction videos you’ve been doing lately. I want to see your takes on things not what you think about someone else’s
Thanks for watching! More tier lists coming soon.
Finns keen eye and ability to describe metal and rock dress styles are undefeated
I remember that once Marilyn Manson said something like that: 'if they even don't understand lyrics because they don't know language they can feel my emotions" and I as teenager felt that.
Nobody wants to listen to that shit, that's why hip hop is on top knock that shit off and bring back some lyrics good vibe rock
Finn; "where do you hear the t in death metal?"
Me; "in Scotland"
You complain alot about Metalheads but YOU Are THE BIGGEST Metal Elitist Ever. You can't help yourself. It's Gold!
Finn, Machine Head did play their entire nu-metal record online last year and two songs from the follow up plus Sepultura's Roots Bloody Roots. Find the stream. If they did that, Robb is probably down on touring with the Burning Red as a theme. lol
I drink gallons of beer, so you don't have to 🍺
Probably he only knows the American beer, he should taste European beer like Czech, German or Belgian, very good stuff. But Corona beer (USA) is also a good one.
@lukegipsy I'm a big fan of stouts, ales and porters.
I love Finn's sarcastic vibe. Funny af
Its generally because studies show the murder rate is increasing due to climate change which in turn causes more murders due to the murder rate increasing. Therefore its generally because the murder rate is increasing which means more metal fans are currently being murdered while listening to dying fetus than ever which in turn causes them to need to release pent up gun shot wound pain which in turn causes them to enjoy hearing the sound of fetuses dying as emulated by the singer from dying fetus which is supported by the current literature.
-Liver King
The Mean sarcastic Finn is my favorite Finn.
Machine Head had a couple of nu-metal throwback songs on their last album FYI
The fuckin screamo bit killed me every time. I have friends that do this unironically and my pedantic inner voice SCREAMS and it's so hard to shut it up lol.
I like pergproduction
I used to HATE “screamo” music. Metallica was THE heaviest I would ever listen to. I’m 43 and my oldest son is almost 18. When he took a music appreciation class at school coupled with voice lessons, somehow he became intrigued with the techniques used by extreme vocalists. He started telling me about it and showing me examples and diving deep into all the cool sub genres. We’ve been going to shows together for the past couple of years and i ❤️ extreme vocals and metalcore🤘
That's awesome!
Aww yo is this that little Scottish kid?? Yooo funny you running into little dude; he made this little subgenres of metal series thingie that my austistic ass had a lotta fun watching. You might actually like it too *no shade lol* But yeah i also found this guys proposition pretty fascinating
Cool to hear his perspective on the idea
Same, that's a great series
Finn: I never went thru a nu metal phase
Also Finn: if machine head played their nu metal album front to back live, I’d pay for that
plot twist: is in the middle of one for years now bruh 😂😂😂
I'm such a big metal fan, that in college a pretty girl asked me if I wanted to go to a party tonight, and I said "sorry, I gotta go home and listen to deathcore"
There are bands I’ve listed to for decades and I still can’t understand the lyrics unless I have the captions on to read along with the song
I got into metal with Children of Bottom at the age of 10 or something. Hatecrew Deathroll, which I still hold dear, was my second album that I ever owned after buying a Billi Talent album a couple months prior. However for harsh vocals to be the dominant vocal style in my playlists it would take several years of mainly Power Metal and NWBHM. Now harsh vocals are not something I tolerate, but something that vastly improves most metal songs imo.
Screaming is one dimensional. A low pitched growl is going to sound the same with very small variations between artists. Same with high pitched screaming. There's just less wiggle room at those high and low ends. That's a fact. Mixing it up is what I personally like. A wall of noise works in some cases but not all that's why those bands kinda just are relegated to a niche pocket and will never reach as many people as bands who have more vocal range.
If you take Metallica at their peak for example (AJFA), they had plenty of growling going on and the music itself was fast and heavy but Hetfields vocals had a lot of range. He did some low growls but in key moments, he did some higher pitched growls in other moments. He did some light singing, some vibratto's etc. There is just a much wider range which produce different sounds which translates to different feelings from the end listener. Vocals are just another instrument, it's kinda why a consistent drum machine blast beat is boring as fuck after a while because there's nothing else being offered. Same reasoning can be applied to vocals, or anything for that matter. Too much of 1 thing can make it bland and boring.
But that's just how it is. It's why there are sub-genres. To say "metal fans" like screaming is very reductionist thinking. There's like a thousand sub genres under "metal" and they all aren't the same.
1. I'd pay a great sum for daddy rob to step on me
2. Imagine bands like Suffocation, Deicide or Devourment with all their heavy and chaotic drums, bass and guitars, but clean sung vocals. Would be bizarre.
Seeing people talk about Machine Head makes me so happy. So fucking happy.
Loving beer is even more difficult to explain than loving screaming. (& I do love both. XD)
Beer is great, but I can't blame folk for not liking it. I struggled to drink it the first time I tried it.
@@pergproductions see for me it was drinking cheap hard liquor as a teen. Beer tasted way better after lmao
That's the analogy that I always use. Literally zero people ever liked their first sip of beer, or their first time hearing harsh vocals. But yet both are extremely popular, world wide.
“How can you like metal?”
“How can you like what you listen to? Whatever your answer is, is the same as mine”
That’s as far as my conversations go about it
Demilich is from my city! I love them and seen them live here in Finland.
As an English speaker, I struggle to understand Finn McKenty tbh. I don't understand American
It's more because people say that metal is bad because you can't understand what they are saying.
Screaming is like spicy foods. Logically theres absolutely no reason that a person would enjoy eating it. Yet people do. They even love it.
Next Video: Why does metalheads hate rapping?
Rap is good on its own, just dont combine with metal. (for the most part, Napalm by Xzibit is pretty good, maybe some other shit as well)
Yessss because I'm trying to get into metal, and its fascinating to see how so many metal heads "hate rap".
@@FCGREGOR ...and i would really like to know why. That's why i wrote this comment.
@@SportsMetalBizkit Music creates emotional reactions. I would assume people who listen to metal get something from metal and feel nothing from rap. Its hard for some people to accept that the song that makes them want to jump, makes absolutely nothing happen to the guy next to them, but that's part of people different people. I feel nothing when i listen to rap, maybe you feel nothing when you listen to metal. I'm fine with that, just enjoy what you enjoy
In metal the lyrics and storytelling arent as important. Guitar chonky riffs and drums are the most important part. For most of the metal i listen to, i have just a vague idea of what the lyrics might be about, but it does not matter.
Meanwhile, rap is for the most part reverse of that. Instrumental is still important, but the lyrics and vocals are more.
It just depends, what you are looking for in music. But its nice to have a break sometimes from metal and just put on some J.Cole, Kendrick, Juice wrld, etc...
But hate probably comes from the lyrical content, simplicity and popularity I believe.
I’m not a metal head but harsh vocals add to the emotion songs should bring.
thank you for bringing attention to pergproductions he did an amazing series on metal subgenres.
That was actually how I found him a few years ago.
Late to the video here. Didn’t realize I wasn’t subscribed, I’ve been following you for over a year. Love your content, that said I love screaming fucking vocals. It’s more of an “acquired” taste and I love it, I sure as hell didn’t wake up one random day blasting extreme metal. Took a lot of time and musical development to get me to the fine dining that is metal vocals. I tell my friends that in much of Metal extreme vocals are just an added layer of instrumentation. It slaps. 😊
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Yes, but to his point, it gets exasperating because people always say it because of this false assumption that it’s important to everyone. It’s the same things as when people say “but you can’t even dance to it”. They aren’t getting that it’s not important to us. I get that it’s important to them and I’m not knocking that, but they just assume that it’s this universal that everyone wants to understand the words and everyone wants to dance. Not everyone does.
I believe the Machine Head album was Supercharger. I almost stopped liking them in that year. Then the Blackening came out, and I was like "alright, it's ok wear their shirts I have again."
Oh flower of Scotlaaaaaand
"Hau easzj issz itt tou sabpostraet tha woiscessz aw Pearl Jam/Reginald Dwight? Thej iewenn maed fan aw himm on MadTV sieries 3 ar 4 mit Will Sasso parschialj far that 'mamblcoor' schitt."
There is a huge difference between screaming and metal vocals.
Noticed a lot of metal fans truly do loe objectivley bad things.. cheap beer, wwe wrestling, poorly drawn art and tattoos, bad low budget horror films ect
Concur: beer sucks. I hate it. Get me a white claw and let's watch the OC.
I won’t tolerate beer slander
He has the most understandable Scottish accent I've ever heard. It's almost American! I'd hate to watch you try and understand me haha.
This is your funniest video ever, every joke was on point LOL
Thank you!
metal fans like vocals, which harsh vocals happen to be a type of
I have waited my entire life for Finn to say “Come on Daddy Rob”
I always think about this. More and more I’m realizing that in A LOT of pop and rock music I can’t understand what the singer is singing anyway, sooo….doesn’t really make a difference there
Kudos for bringing up Demilich \m/
This video is so great! But the beer being disgusting comment at the end!!! *chefs kiss*
0:19 was just sad but true
Appropriate Response: "Metal up your @$$ \m/ \m/!!"
Joooo the inhale/exhale debates. Lord have mercy what a flashback to simpler times.
@pergproductions my boy!
Nice to see you here
@@pergproductions likewise, my friend.
I like screaming if it’s tasteful. It’s one of the most raw displays of emotion a person can make. It can also be overdone. Just have to find an artist who can find a happy medium. Parkway Drive comes to mind.
Finn we must have similar for you pages because you always end up doing a video I’ve just seen within a week of watching it
Scottish guy here. I wish to address your comments about needing captions....
Aye, that's fair.
I know the elitist hate when bands screams and clean singing but that's my favorite I love the contrast between the two
I sang in a "Metal band" (I use the quotation marks due to how directionless/clueless we were) for a brief time. We played 3 shows, sort of. Our finale was in a bar with probably 8 people in attendance. Lyrics? What are those? I just screeched/screamed/gurgled random syllables.
And it probably sucked
I used to hate the harsh vocals. I couldn't get passed nu metal into extreme metal because all the harsh vocals. Nowadays I listen to music where the vocals sounds like am radio static or like someone barfing up their trachea. The harsher the better :)
Travis Ryan (from cattle decap) is a guy who's got some super brutal vocals and you can actually understand him pretty well...
william bennett of whitehouse do as well with songs like wriggle like a eel(well i can understand it) and i dont agree with the views in whitehouse music i just like harsh and combative music like that because it calm me down also it kinda funny hearing a guy screaming that stuff with that british accent
Pantera has the perfect metal vocals. Anything heavier than that is a bit too much for me in most cases. But I love metal guitars.
Shout out for Wormrot ! My band played with them and Phobia once . Yep , that is my lame claim to fame ! LOL !
Johann Hegg (Amon Amarth).and Joe Duplantier (Gojira) are big gateway into harsh vocal bands.
Screaming is not singing. Any song that has screaming in it is not music. The music itself just the instruments fantastic. I am with the scottish lad.
So much for your new years resolution to be nicer this year. haha!
'Metal fans like a lot of things that are objectively bad, erm, such as metal' Laughed out loud. 😂
Machine Head's nu-metal era was awesome, just sayin'. My second-favorite album of theirs.
Finn whrn are you doing 24/7 twitch live streams?
The "Live Cannibalism" DVD is what got me into Cannibal Corpse - that concert sounds so good - still to this day.
We should do a fest wtih all these thrash band playing their Nu metal songs only, featuring Metallica St. Anger and Fred Dust pop song singing. This show is called " when we are wrong"
Screaming is a primal force, to me it’s a percussive heavy accent to the point one is making with the lyrics. Almost like a battle cry to breakthrough or prevail.
I'm with you on the beer! I'm a hard cider guy through and through. Do like mead once in a while.
I couldnt stand Finn McKenty AT ALL at first. After a year of watching this channel i finally have come to terms that we have almost the exact same thinking process about a lot of music. Im tuned in everyday now.
They honestly nailed the metalhead experience; every song with harsh vocals is “ScrEmo”, “it’s just noise”, “you can’t even tell what they’re saying”!?
I‘m Not even a native english speaker and I can understand everything Perg is saying
One reason I gravitate toward metal is that screaming expresses emotion. Sometimes it soothes me mentally. I still find it hilarious when I put on Breaking Benjamin and my friends got intimidated by Ben’s growls 🤣🤣 like you ain’t heard shit if that’s the case. Same when I put on Bad Omen’s Dethrone and my mother thought I was listening to death metal.
how tf does screaming soothe you mentally?
@@plusmin09 you never screamed into a pillow as an angsty teen? It’s like that, but with music behind it. Not that hard to understand.
I am 58 and 2 of my kids(25/27) think I am crazy and weird when I play Breaking Benjamin, Bad Omens, I Prevail and ADTR just to name a few. Luckily. my youngest (18) likes the same music and has introduced me to a lot of newer music.
@@tim.noonan I could see an angsty teen releasing tension through screaming as being soothing to them, but me hearing an angsty teen screaming definitely doesn't relieve tension for myself. Quite the contrary.
In your original post were you saying that you performing metal and screaming soothes you mentally? Because I could see your point in that. That's actually probably one of the main reasons that such a disproportionate amount of metal fans play that music as well.
@@plusmin09 Idk, I find a few types of harsh vocals pretty soothing. The high whispery kind of screams typically found in atmo-black, for instance. Certain death growls kind of hit a cozy spot sometimes too. Different strokes and shit, you know?
The dude from the used has such a good scream..
I'm still waiting for the listens to sports metal merch.
System of a down changed my life soon as I put toxicity in my CD Walkman. That's right screw you guys. It was my getaway
I don't like screaming when it's aimless and when it's done to just fit in a genre. I like screaming when it is purposeful and emotional.
Everyone in slipknot look like they work at a fuel station, lol