I've said this time and time again... Lawless doesn't mean anarchy. It means no UEE. I think once the murderhobo type of PvP players start to see that THIS is how this is supposed to work... that the factions WILL enforce order... I think the game will be better for it. Once the full reputation system and the law and order systems come into the game, the nature of "PvP" will change dramatically.
This is why I keep telling people not to panic about Pyro. We're gonna have the appropriate systems in place eventually to handle these things, so just let the murder hobos have their fun for now is how I look at it
That's cool that it works that way. I went to Pyro for the first time with my daughter last night, just to explore. We landed at, I think, a Citizens for Prosperity outpost on bloom. As we were looking around, we started to hear gunfire so we made a run back to our shop, only to get stuck in a crossfire in a doorway. The NPC guard went down, but whoever was shooting went off to attack something else. I tried to grab the rifle the guard dropped but fell through the planet. My daughter was able to make it back to the ship and take off though, and we had a Nursa in the hold so I could respawn. Overall, it was a great first impression from the jump point to all the different ominous music. I'm not sure if the firefight was other players attacking the outpost or some kind of NPC raid, but either way, it was very tense.
Pyro was IMO only ever intended to be null-sec originally. Back when the only population center in the entire system was Ruin Station, there were no other space stations, and the only people in the system were the gangs fighting for control of Ruin. When they changed things up to have a higher population across the system with more factions that were incompatible with the gang-war idea for Ruin station, and more stations were added, the possibility of it being null-sec is simply gone. Null-sec systems are going to be ones where there's essentially no human presence whatsoever. Systems with no presence whatsoever are going to be very few and very far between, and Pyro is not among them. It simply isn't practical, be it in lore or in game for gangs to allow people to just do whatever they want without consequences. Ultimately, everybody needs to eat, drink, and be able to maintain shelter, and so generally speaking, while there might be frequent raiding from opposing factions, they wouldn't take kindly to supply ships being attacked. Some longer-standing gangs in this situation would very likely have an informal agreement not to target each other's supply ships, simply because it opens the door for their own supply ships to be attacked and wind up with them getting cut off. Not that there would be no room for raiding or hostilities, but they would be a little less common and a little more formal and organized than one might expect from gangs. The harsh living conditions, ample space to allow each other to pass, and implications involved with starting an open conflict in Pyro necessitate that the gangs in pyro, even if hostile with each other, aren't always kill on sight, and are protective of their assets and willing to implement security measures for those who might be visiting. Pyro would be a low-sec system, not a null-sec.
@@ephalanx1 Honestly, there are very few star systems that have been described or noted in lore or in the starmap that would qualify for being a true null-sec system. I reckon in reality, we won't see true null-sec systems until we are able to find and chart jump points to undiscovered star systems.
Pirates are not just murderer, PvP is not just griefing. Its a lawless system, in the moment, but that does not mean, that everyone who wants to explore Pyro wants to do PvP. If you want PvP go to contested zones, if you dare. Pirates interdicted you in Stanton and demanded money depending on the worth of your cargo. Griefing cowards are camping behind a stone and waiting for someone to shoot in the back and declare it pvp and/or piracy. That is so uninspiring and unimaginative to use Pyro in this way.
Getting pirated is a risk and adds excitement, gameplay and important risk/reward trade offs to some of the industrial loops. Getting killed for no reason when coming to a landing zone just because people want to shoot something just makes an already often tedious game more tedious.
This is really big going forward. NPC enforcement will make the game amazing. Imagine if security at microtech shouted orders to halt to players with guns drawn.
it one thing to go after a group but if you are teaming up on solo player that just worng. Im not saying dont pvp but thaere is a fine line beteew pvp and being a bully. Also AZone will never go away. this is do to tolls killing player in safe places. there NEED to be safe places for pve player to do ther game play with out someone killing them. Yes it cant stop it 100% but if you have a place like pyro you will most likey just pvp there over tolling in Stan. With out AZone the game will die for pve and they make up more of the play base then pvper.
i dont mind that what i hate why i stop go to pyro is becouse if the griffer at the jump gate CIG need to set turrents up that can hit you from 50 km away so people can fly safe in an out from stanton system to pyro an out when you get to the gate yestoday there was 4 players camping the Pyro gate out shooting everone that try to leave that just mad me my friends to decide ok than f Pyro if thats how people behave
Yes, let's get rid of ALL Armistice zones. I'll grab the popcorn as the Star Citizen MMO crash and burns into a crispy catastrophic flop of an MMO. LoL
I guess we'll see a re-implementation of Stanton security at some point. I remember years ago, when they added NPC freighters, and NPC security response, and none of it functioned properly due to server performance. We might even see the end of NPCs on chairs, now server FPS is sorted.
The emergent gameplay from NPCs throwing themselves into the mix will be epic. Can you imagine a war just getting bigger and bigger as more and more NPCs fly in to try and clear/support opposing player groups?
Good. This is *exactly* what I was looking for. Lawless just means not under UEE authority and protection. It doesn't mean total anarchy. The gangs rule here, and like any ruling group in an area, they would have zero tolerance for ANY hostile behaviour by anyone at their settlements unless ordered by them directly. At least now, people can actually step outside their ship and explore these beautiful hand crafted settlements without their defenceless and unmanned ships getting blasted by some rando with zero repercussions. There's no point in creating content if no one can actually explore it, right?
Is it normal for a Citizens for Prosperity outpost to have NPC'S that just try to kill you on sight? I walked past several just lookin around, then suddenly I'm being shot and grenaded. At the time I had no rep whatsoever with any group.
Happy Xmas everyone o7 It's so nice to see people just doing what they made pyro for.. Having fun!! lol .. the amount of whiny people crying about being shot is a joke xD its lawless!! have fun!! no more stupid jail :P
It's non UEE controlled -It's not purely lawless. It's faction (gangs - mafia state) enforced law. What you are talking about is anarchy. No one would live there if it was. And Pyro has changed since it original inception. There were no space stations there other than Ruin before it was fleshed out further. The planets were incapable of sustaining life and mostly barren. That has changed. While players in the area feel like they are unfettered by 'laws', just because its not Stanton UEE law the NPC's that live within the simulation have faction based laws they follow. If you don't they will let you know about it. And your idea of fun is subjective... This game is more simulation than your standard shoot em up games. So you don't get to do whatever without consequence. And why you got to belittle others? Whiny and crying? Jokes? Because they voice concerns just like the PvP crowd does about MM and PvEers not wanting to fight with them? Come on man..do better. You may not like their playstyle, but they don't deserved to be nosed down on. Same with PvPers. Oh and Merry Christmas! o7
Merry Christmas to you too buddy. I was referring to the Hornet I flew but you obviously didn't pay attention. Enjoy your wine . Hope you have a great christmas eve dinner :)
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I've said this time and time again... Lawless doesn't mean anarchy. It means no UEE. I think once the murderhobo type of PvP players start to see that THIS is how this is supposed to work... that the factions WILL enforce order... I think the game will be better for it. Once the full reputation system and the law and order systems come into the game, the nature of "PvP" will change dramatically.
This is why I keep telling people not to panic about Pyro. We're gonna have the appropriate systems in place eventually to handle these things, so just let the murder hobos have their fun for now is how I look at it
That's cool that it works that way. I went to Pyro for the first time with my daughter last night, just to explore. We landed at, I think, a Citizens for Prosperity outpost on bloom. As we were looking around, we started to hear gunfire so we made a run back to our shop, only to get stuck in a crossfire in a doorway. The NPC guard went down, but whoever was shooting went off to attack something else. I tried to grab the rifle the guard dropped but fell through the planet. My daughter was able to make it back to the ship and take off though, and we had a Nursa in the hold so I could respawn. Overall, it was a great first impression from the jump point to all the different ominous music. I'm not sure if the firefight was other players attacking the outpost or some kind of NPC raid, but either way, it was very tense.
Npcs do raid outposts. I’ve witnessed Npcs attacking each other there
What an adventure!
It's not a PVP-System it's a Faction-Law-System, but this is simply not yet in the Game!
Pyro was IMO only ever intended to be null-sec originally. Back when the only population center in the entire system was Ruin Station, there were no other space stations, and the only people in the system were the gangs fighting for control of Ruin. When they changed things up to have a higher population across the system with more factions that were incompatible with the gang-war idea for Ruin station, and more stations were added, the possibility of it being null-sec is simply gone. Null-sec systems are going to be ones where there's essentially no human presence whatsoever. Systems with no presence whatsoever are going to be very few and very far between, and Pyro is not among them. It simply isn't practical, be it in lore or in game for gangs to allow people to just do whatever they want without consequences. Ultimately, everybody needs to eat, drink, and be able to maintain shelter, and so generally speaking, while there might be frequent raiding from opposing factions, they wouldn't take kindly to supply ships being attacked. Some longer-standing gangs in this situation would very likely have an informal agreement not to target each other's supply ships, simply because it opens the door for their own supply ships to be attacked and wind up with them getting cut off. Not that there would be no room for raiding or hostilities, but they would be a little less common and a little more formal and organized than one might expect from gangs. The harsh living conditions, ample space to allow each other to pass, and implications involved with starting an open conflict in Pyro necessitate that the gangs in pyro, even if hostile with each other, aren't always kill on sight, and are protective of their assets and willing to implement security measures for those who might be visiting.
Pyro would be a low-sec system, not a null-sec.
Thank you. Agreed. More people need to understand this about Pyro. This parroting of EVE 'null-sec' needs to stop.
@@ephalanx1 Honestly, there are very few star systems that have been described or noted in lore or in the starmap that would qualify for being a true null-sec system. I reckon in reality, we won't see true null-sec systems until we are able to find and chart jump points to undiscovered star systems.
Pirates are not just murderer, PvP is not just griefing.
Its a lawless system, in the moment, but that does not mean, that everyone who wants to explore Pyro wants to do PvP.
If you want PvP go to contested zones, if you dare.
Pirates interdicted you in Stanton and demanded money depending on the worth of your cargo.
Griefing cowards are camping behind a stone and waiting for someone to shoot in the back and declare it pvp and/or piracy. That is so uninspiring and unimaginative to use Pyro in this way.
This
Getting pirated is a risk and adds excitement, gameplay and important risk/reward trade offs to some of the industrial loops. Getting killed for no reason when coming to a landing zone just because people want to shoot something just makes an already often tedious game more tedious.
This is really big going forward. NPC enforcement will make the game amazing. Imagine if security at microtech shouted orders to halt to players with guns drawn.
it one thing to go after a group but if you are teaming up on solo player that just worng. Im not saying dont pvp but thaere is a fine line beteew pvp and being a bully. Also AZone will never go away. this is do to tolls killing player in safe places. there NEED to be safe places for pve player to do ther game play with out someone killing them. Yes it cant stop it 100% but if you have a place like pyro you will most likey just pvp there over tolling in Stan. With out AZone the game will die for pve and they make up more of the play base then pvper.
i dont mind that what i hate why i stop go to pyro is becouse if the griffer at the jump gate CIG need to set turrents up that can hit you from 50 km away so people can fly safe in an out from stanton system to pyro an out when you get to the gate
yestoday there was 4 players camping the Pyro gate out shooting everone that try to leave that just mad me my friends to decide ok than f Pyro if thats how people behave
Before I jump back in I want to wait for a release where I won’t spend 2 hours getting somewhere just to die to a glitch when I get there.
Yes, let's get rid of ALL Armistice zones. I'll grab the popcorn as the Star Citizen MMO crash and burns into a crispy catastrophic flop of an MMO. LoL
Now they need to give the NPCs railguns and rocket launchers so you can't cheese them with ground vehicles
I am so pleased with this it almost counts as a Christmas present.
many player is poor right now in 4.0 and trying hard to earn some money and you guys shooting them for fun!?
I guess we'll see a re-implementation of Stanton security at some point. I remember years ago, when they added NPC freighters, and NPC security response, and none of it functioned properly due to server performance. We might even see the end of NPCs on chairs, now server FPS is sorted.
Merry Christmas to you! 🎄
The emergent gameplay from NPCs throwing themselves into the mix will be epic. Can you imagine a war just getting bigger and bigger as more and more NPCs fly in to try and clear/support opposing player groups?
Good to hear!
I like the system defense mechanism
Good. This is *exactly* what I was looking for. Lawless just means not under UEE authority and protection. It doesn't mean total anarchy. The gangs rule here, and like any ruling group in an area, they would have zero tolerance for ANY hostile behaviour by anyone at their settlements unless ordered by them directly.
At least now, people can actually step outside their ship and explore these beautiful hand crafted settlements without their defenceless and unmanned ships getting blasted by some rando with zero repercussions. There's no point in creating content if no one can actually explore it, right?
I found this very encouraging this is the approach I am hoping CIG would take.
Can't wait for armistice to be changed, it's a bit gamey to have a magic "can't fire your weapon" bubble around POIs
Is it normal for a Citizens for Prosperity outpost to have NPC'S that just try to kill you on sight? I walked past several just lookin around, then suddenly I'm being shot and grenaded. At the time I had no rep whatsoever with any group.
That's great, but anti air turrets in these outposts are not enough to take out Polaris.
Could the player you attacked be a member of the headhunters and that is why they attacked you? Cuz that would be cool
Merry Christmas 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Happy holidays!
Gotta make sure there's no witnesses.
Indeed!
Merry Christmas Bro.
It sorr of works. At least shoots lol
Erad went murderhobo
Merry Christmas 🎄 to you and your family 🎁 Merry Christmas 🎄 to you and your family 🎁
merry xmas
Happy Xmas everyone o7
It's so nice to see people just doing what they made pyro for.. Having fun!! lol .. the amount of whiny people crying about being shot is a joke xD its lawless!! have fun!! no more stupid jail :P
It's non UEE controlled -It's not purely lawless. It's faction (gangs - mafia state) enforced law. What you are talking about is anarchy. No one would live there if it was. And Pyro has changed since it original inception. There were no space stations there other than Ruin before it was fleshed out further. The planets were incapable of sustaining life and mostly barren. That has changed. While players in the area feel like they are unfettered by 'laws', just because its not Stanton UEE law the NPC's that live within the simulation have faction based laws they follow. If you don't they will let you know about it.
And your idea of fun is subjective... This game is more simulation than your standard shoot em up games. So you don't get to do whatever without consequence. And why you got to belittle others? Whiny and crying? Jokes? Because they voice concerns just like the PvP crowd does about MM and PvEers not wanting to fight with them? Come on man..do better. You may not like their playstyle, but they don't deserved to be nosed down on. Same with PvPers.
Oh and Merry Christmas! o7
hes in a A1 an calls it a fighter lol ...dont listen to this guy for anything pvp ....he's an anti pvp Carebear troll in disguise
Merry Christmas to you too buddy. I was referring to the Hornet I flew but you obviously didn't pay attention. Enjoy your wine . Hope you have a great christmas eve dinner :)
Way to name call... Do better dude. Toxic.
Loving your answers buddy! Keep them coming :) I appreciate you feeding the algorithm for Christmas :)