John Kirwan on the the most concerning area of the All Blacks game in their loss to the Springboks
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2021
- John Kirwan, Mils Muliaina, and Jeff Wilson of Sky Sport NZ's The Breakdown discuss the final match of the Rugby Championship between South Africa and New Zealand.
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Amuses me that these commentators say that in hindsight you can criticize the match officials but in the same breath say that Rassie should be penalised for doing exactly that!
Referring to teams critizing in post match press conferences not on the field or in videos "leaked" on social media numbnut
@@sublimeranter4812 so you are saying teams shouldn't be allowed time to analyze the game and then ask questions to the ref and if the ref then just ignores them they should keep their mouths shut. That your solution? You are saying they should criticize at the post match press conference and that's it. What ever was missed, even if it cost them a Lions series or a World cup, they should just keep quiet. Correct?
@@sublimeranter4812 I'm sure you denounced the NZ media lampooning of romaine poite after that lions tour.
Sore losers..
@@Henniesmennie does it matter what you or what I think or say? NO.........But obviously it matters what Rassie said otherwise he wouldn't be facing a review from World Rugby for exactly what? no one know yet.
Just remember the Boks were also missing key players. Pieter Steph Du Doit, Cheslin Kolbe, RG Snyman, Frans Malherbe. Either way what a game! Will go down as one of the greats.
Exactjy. They mentioned if Cole’s Whitelock Smith would’ve been different at end. But if PSDT Kolbe RG there it might not have been that close at end . Not to mention it was home game. GC is full of kiwis. So it’s all semantics. I want to see France. I’m tipping them for 2023. Wanna see that game in momth. 🤙🏽
@@lewissypher2595 just remember 6 out of All Blacks starters who played the Boks had never played them before. None of the Boks starters who played were facing the All Blacks for the first time. Goes to show how good the World Champions really aren't. 😝
@@sublimeranter4812 ABs had 2 years more practice while SA was in lockdown. SA back to back RWC and BIL victories. not to say 3 RWC wins in record time. tour for 7 weeks in Australia with no home games. beat NZ, still remain at no.1. Shows that SA really is the greatest rugby nation in history.
@@lennymettie1015 the pumas too and the pumas beated them with 10 points now what.
The Abs were also missing Whitelock, Mounga, and Aaron Smith. Captain, fly half and scrum half the key positions in any team. Dont forget that
This week Kirwan says "both teams would deserve to win". (2 point difference)
Last week we didn't hear both teams deserved to win, yet it was a 1 point difference.
That's the problem with the pundits from Australia and New Zealand. They can't divorce themselves from their loyalties and be neutral pundits whereas if you listen to ex-Springboks like John Smit and others on Supersport, they are willing to criticise their team regardless of their being former Boks themselves.
Kirwan's a clown! Clown's are paid to be idiots........It's the one constant in his life......
Jk is terrible, boks played their socks off this week and it showed... All blacks were literally bullied around the park... Great game
He is just the tiny teensiest bit one-eyed...
It is more about the style SA played vs the style they played the week before. It was way more impressive game, that the week before. Now SA should build on it and not fall back onto the kicking game. Have the kicking game as a plan B in wet weather and build the player skills. They also should leave the water boy's of the field. Get up and coming players not in the match day 23 to run the water.
We lost fair and square, towards the end of the second half it could've been anyone's game. It was close and the Boks came out with the win. Period.
Cap
Thanks for your honesty. You are still the number one team in world rugby though.
But look at the positives for the ABs they had 6 starting ABs who had never faced the boks before this tournament and still finished 1-1 with the World Champions with No rookies in their starting 15.
Thank you. I thought both weeks were great games. I think the two sides are a lot closer than we think. I think the difference is the ABs have some amazing players, a wining attitude and a local competition where all their players (operating at their peak) are involved. The ABs coaching team also have a bigger say over their careers and well being. The Boks have to bring in players from all around the world and have little to no say how they are involved with the teams they are contracted with.
@@sublimeranter4812 Maybe no "rookies", but a few not first choice players under normal circumstances. Look, one can never take away from the All Blacks their brilliance. Just a quick one, how many changes in the All Blacks side to the one who had beaten the Springboks just a week before?
As a Bok fan I'm humbled by the humility of the Kiwi fans on this thread today. Over the last few weeks I've mostly seen that small minority of trolls that have zero respect for the history, the rivalry or the game but today has restored my faith in the true rugby fan that loves the game and respects the rivalry and for that I thank you. May the Boks continue to be competitive and may the rivalry last forever!
Edit: I'd like to include Aussie fans too
2:10 JK forgetting that the Boks missed 8 points off the boot....should've been a 10 point game. Previous game, Boks missed 2 points. Tied game. 1st game against Aus, 17 points missed. Suddenly that changes the whole landscape of the championship. Don't know why these guys are always having a go at the Boks. They would have only lost 1 to Aus if they hadn't missed their kicks...
Yep, pretty much sums it up. France lost two games against Australia because of bad last two minute management, so they would be higher up the rankings.
Bro, we can also say, well, the first try in the first game was a gift from the ABs, or we could also say, the ABs conceded too many penalties (and scored more tries) on the 2nd game, 6 in total, thats 18 points. With a little bit of more discipline, those 18 points would not have been scored and ABs win. You see? :D
Couldn't agree more, we are pound for pound the best team in the world and changing Pollard as our choice kicker is the only change we need to make
@@mauroger86 Theres a difference between saying we should have been more disciplined, and if we made our kicks🤣kicks are guaranteed points, not what ifs like discipline or defending
@@iceman6547 not sure that’s 100% true, but not far off. France and England now need to up the stakes to make RWC 2023 very very interesting.
Everyone's giving Rassie stick about the video, but saying nothing of the absolute horror show that was Nic Berry's refereeing. That type of nonsense problem would have carried on in the following tests had Rassie's video not come out.
Absolutely! Had it not been for it, we'd still be subjected to shit refereeing by the likes of Berry.
I thank God for Rassie's video.
These Kiwis have lots to say about Rassie, because they are deathly afraid of him and what he can do.
Goes to show how dumb Rassie is, had he shown the mistakes Nic Berry had missed the boks players doing then it would be about Berry's performance and the standard of officiating. But NO it was just petty one-sided point of view from a respected former WC winning head coach who just lost all credibility outside of South Africa.
@@sublimeranter4812 You make a fair point. However, looking back over the game, the mistakes were _very_ one-sided and the bad calls were at least 80% against SA.
However, I agree that Erasmus should have pointed out some errors the other way too.
England here in case you were thinking any bias. Swing low, baby! 🏉
@@herman-phillipkleingeld2578 he's as stupid as they come where did you learn rugby? Ur heads full of bull. Infact his video was as one sided as 1 can be. Damn lucky to get a win over wales in semi final and have the same croocked french ref against England. Damn lucky I tell you.
I am a wallabies supporter, and this game was the benchmark of the tournament.
You'll win the Bledisloe next year.
As a Bok fan the Aussies amazed me with their turn around from the two previous weeks.
I think the only way we can win against the Wallabies is if we throw the kitchen sink at them. Just go at them.
Believe Assure picked a great coach
It feels good to see wallabies back on they're A game. 2023 will be the best world cup ever. From a South African.
Springboks must always play against a team and a ref, that was crap refereeing and its like they give All black to much respect.
Typical paranoid saffas, always thinking they are under attack from the world...possibly the environment you live in....
The victim mentality is strong in this one. Rassie has fostered a sore losing, every call that goes against us is wrong culture among Springbok fans. It's funny how easily offended they are by these pundits. Sensitive bunch these saffas
@@nicsouthafrica"typical paranoid saffas" your surname sound pretty south African to me 🤔
EXACTLY
The mental gymnastics Kirwan performs on this show is outstanding. Some truly world class shit takes.
Kirwan was a world-class winger though for the ABs. Among the best. So he'll be biased. Biased behaviour comes from all sides whether it's the Abs or Boks or England. Someone should check the overall win-lose stats of matches between All Blacķs and BOKS. Still a long way to go before we can ever believe that the Boks have narrowed the gap. Consistency is key. All Blacks are still the yardstick in international rugby.
@@Virtues4U Yeah Boks supporters seem to think beating the All Blacks and winning World Cup is all that matters. Sense of jealously detected.
@@matthewwalker1274 And we are world number 1! So there is that, Lions cup, World cup, Chapionship cup. Hm, I see a small trend here, what do you think?
We would be friends bro, to be loving mf doom and springbok rugby is a relationship Yoh don’t often see
By far the best game of the Championship. The Ref nearly won the game for NZ though.
Absolute truth. 1 try and at least 2 penalties...
The ref was just bad, both teams suffered from inferior officiating
Open your eyes, at least the 2nd one.
Watch every SA box kick and pretty much every kick will have a SA kicker in front of the kick…including one where winger was 2-3m in front 2m that led to the SA try.
How many penalties did SA get when the tackler stopped the ABs placing the ball?
AB try you are talking about was checked by TMO while ball was taken back for the kick.
Plenty for each set of supporters to complain if they want. Wont change result and players on both sides made more mistakes than referee so focus on that.
That's no lie!!
@@Telcontarnz you sound bitter mate
Kirwan talks about Whitelock coming back and that All blacks wasn't at their strongest. Remember Boks was not at their strongest to. We still need to get Pieter Steph Du Toit back. RG Snyman and not to mention Cheslin Kolbe. This guys analyse on the game is poor.
JK Can never admit the all blacks lost it rather than the other team winning it. Both sides had their injuries , both sides played people out of position. Both sides had bad calls ( South Africa more so , those two Frans Steyn penalties were dodgey). It was a game we will remember in years to come. You win some you lose some. That’s what makes the rivalry what it is. Long live the Test Match.
@@davidflck One side had 5 starters facing the Boks for the first time the other had NONE.
@@sublimeranter4812 1 side didn't play test rugby for 19 months snd the other lost to Argentina during that stint. 😂
@@sublimeranter4812 I might be wrong but the boks had a few players who never played the all blacks before this game to? I still fail to see how this is relevant.
@@davidflck Maybe he's trying to point out that the All Blacks were building depth starting 5 players in that 100th test who had never played against the World Champions. Or he's implying the Boks should have won comfortably because they had 5 inexperienced players starting and the Boks had one. Probably the latter with a name like that.
I'm a Boks supporter. When Am setup the opening try I became a meme in human form. "What, wait, no, that's illegal"
Our captain Siya single handedly counter rucking these powderpuff AB forwards was a thing of beauty!
How the TMO missed the clear knock on from Joe Moody for Weber's try is beyond anyone who believes in science!
John Kirwan living in a dream world. AB's should've lost by 15, but the ref helped them out once again.
Both Games
Typical one eyed observers. Watch the game again and pay attention to when the All Blacks were done in.
The sad thing for me is that the All Black's players and Springbok players have the respect and humility to win and lose with dignity. Some of the stuff you guys are saying is going to ruin the greatest rivalry in the history and present of the game
Criticizing the water boy takes some hurt out of the loss for these guys.
So, JK, do you think SPRINGBOKS deserve to be number one?
Lukhanyo Am's offloads are the stuff of legends.
This tool said both teams deserved to win. Thank the ref for keeping it close.
Same last week springboks lost in the end by lapses of concentration stupid things like walking in front of the kicker. They should of won last week too
@Djacked Inc ahhhhhhhhh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Ffs. Seriously
Exactly
As much as these men analyze the game.....they still haven't admitted that the Springboks make you look ordinary
Well what did Aussie do you then ?
@@181958 Hahaha damn right no response?
Couldn't agree with you more
Huh? One win in a blue moon against a hardly vintage ABS team and you getting carried away? , enjoy it while it lasts...
@@thrusta100 .....that case of butthurts is not gonna heal anytime soon....get use to it....hartseer naaier
What an awesome game, 1 win each, they should have a 3rd game as a decider, pity we have to wait for next year. Best out of 3 it should be.
Heres an idea, how about next year the Rugby Champs is hosted in Argentina, the Aussies in particular must spend eight weeks in quarantine, clean their own rooms, make their own beds and be completely isolated with no outside contact and then play in front of full stadiums, with some questionable officiating. Im willing to bet they wont go for it, but lets out it out there "mate"
The fact Australia can have three codes being supported especially during finals in other codes is an impressive result. Do you think other countries could do the same? Just be happy it happened during these troubling times and I'm sure if they had to they would. But tell me which country could fill stadiums the same way,new Zealand certainly couldn't
@@russe19642 Not really relevant is it, you may as well argue that SA and Argentina also had several "potential" players also playing soccer and tiddly winks
@@stevenbennett9756 just admit it,you can't play Australia and Argentina every week to build your ratings. Australia didn't lose to the boks so they must be better than the ABs. New Zealand won't win another world cup
@@stevenbennett9756 let me guess you like bagging Australia but you're actually living there hey?
@@russe19642 wrong and wrong, im Proudly SA, and live, proudly in SA, what else you got?
50/22 to counter the Boks rush defence phht... what a joke! they just made another law we will excel at.
SA has the best kickers totally a law we will enjoy and thrive on. nothing better than sending the All Blacks back to their 22 for our lineout 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙌
Rassie needs recognition for highlighting the inherent problem, which you all know exists. But I am sure the kiwis and aussies will sing a different tune when they are on the receiving end of poor refereeing. And that might very well be this time next month, up north.
John Kirwan looking like a fool now, running his mouth on the Springboks supposedly ruining the game of Rugby the previous week.
The only one who is looking like a fool is you mate. JK was not wrong. This week we saw the vintage Springboks who wanted to run the ball instead of kicking it away. Last week kicking was all they were doing. JK praised the way they played this week. As did we all. Even if the springboks lost, nobody would've criticized because they played hell of a game.
@@rapid1010 Lol our rugby won us a world cup, yours seen you get SMASHED by England. ABs hate the in your defence and gate being turned with kicks ....hence all the bitching and moaning.
@Djacked IncNo but I am guessing you are if you think if 1 teams plays a type a rugby it somehow ruins the entire sport that stretches over various competitions and leagues and hundreds of teams
@@rapid1010 look I’m not disagreeing with you but you do realise the reason the boks haven’t been playing like this isn’t because they don’t want to its because they did not have any time to practice it they didn’t have the team even meet each other for a year and then had to play and win a lions tour then get sent of to australia where again could not practice for a while
@Dan Samarasinghe so the boks must play in a certain way just to please a certain sector of rugby supporters because John Kirwan said so? 😂 They are not always going to play the same, they’ll approach every game little different. When they go up north later they’ll probably fall back to a more conservative approach again. The same approach that beat Wales and then England in the WC. Kirwan ran his mouth way too early thinking that the boks are not capable of adjusting their game a bit. It’s not as though they were totally outplayed the previous week, they were a single penalty away from beating them using the “boring” approach.
I have to agree with some of the comments below. Why the nastiness with vilifying SA staff. You failed to add the context - that the springbok coach apologized profusely and repeatedly in the post match interviews about the very brief off-field interaction with the support staff member so it is clear to everyone that it will not happen again. What is it with you guys that you dig up Rassie's case to build some sort of narrative? I get it, you're pissed that you lost against SA but cut out the nastiness please.
As an Allblacks loyalist, I agree with u, the guy made a mistake, Rass apologised, done. I know its a no no in the game but it's done....get over it and move forward geeze.
If "The Circus Erasmus" had never reared it's "nasty," "vilifying," ugly, spiteful and very SA head in the first place, there would no "Waterboy," no " Back-room staff" or duplicitous and insidious Issue or narrative, to raise the hackles of all fair-minded and decent rugby fans.
SA Rugby made their bed, so you have to sleep in it.........Even if it smells of shit!
PS. The staggering irony of a Saffa asking anyone else to "cut out the nastiness" Shows such a jaw-dropping lack of self-awareness as to be totally unbelievable...........Unless you're levels of comedic sarcasm are so high.........In which case, well done mate! You played a blinder
@@oldmanwillyboy2786 whistle blowing on a corrupt World Rugby is what Rassie did. And no one is hated more then he who speaks the truth. We sick and tired of seeing teams get robbed on the field of play by refs. World Rugby is corrupt. If this is the attitude you have in NZ then soon Argentina and SA will drop the Rugby championship to play in Europe instead. Rugby is not all about the ABs and NZ
@@sollypike5453 You're wrong there boy! No-one is hated more than he who tells HIS version of a truth, backed up with a heavily edited in SA's favour video, while ignoring all of the many, many transgressions of his infamously dirty, cheap-shot, high, dangerous tackling (past and present) players!.............That odor you can smell right now, is your underwear......'Cos you just got Burned, Son!
PS. If I were a Saffa, I wouldn't be throwing accusations of corruption in sport! You boys down there may not have invented it, but you're still trying hard to perfect it!
PPS. I'm not a Kiwi, I just wanted you to know that we here in Europe think Erasmus is a snide, duplicitous PoS! He's mos.def. as despised up here as he is down with the ANZACS.........
And Argentina are always welcome up here.......SA? Not so much! Just ask Jake White and his Bulls, if you don't believe me......
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@@oldmanwillyboy2786 You must be a Pom still hurting after what to England in the last WC.
Been waiting for this.... lovely to see these three choking on their oxygen after all they've said in the last few weeks. Huge respect to a bok squad that missed an entire year of play and development and then came together to achieve what they have. Oh and one last thing .. morning Laurie how yo feeling mate.
What the fuck are you on about? They were completely right. The SA tactics were shit to watch. Ruined the game. The came out on Saturday and killed it. I'm a kiwi but SA were awesome to watch and it made for a way more entertaining game. They still slowed the ball down though.
@@jonharvey55 Its a good thing what you say means nothing. The Boks play to win NOT to look good.
I hear Suzie served him some humble pie and he's got gippo guts.
@Djacked Inc next game put some actual NZers in instead of imports from SFT
@@jonharvey55 How do you comprehend "sh!t to watch" and "SA were awesome to watch"? It was a good game of rugby by both sides.
JK..still struggling to come to terms the boks deserved to win on the day
JKs punditry matching his dress style
I believe the two teams can play another 101 matches without anyone being sure on which team to place their money. Both teams are brilliant and depending on the day the one whom makes the least mistakes will win. I look forward to seeing more matches between these two teams.
I have been waiting for this video. JK has been so arrogant it’s crazy. He has said everything from we are ruining rugby to the worst insult of all, we are a “northern hemisphere “ team. I am more satisfied after this win then the entire lions series win. I could careless that we lost the rugby championship. We beat the All Blacks after all their arrogant criticism. Feels freaking great. My favorite was when he said he was kinda happy the All Blacks lost. Ok bro….we all believe you.
But he was right wasn't he....they totally changed their game this week and it worked....imo🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@keepingitlowlow9506 he disrespected us and he paid the price……let that be a lesson to the rest of them….
Beat the all blacks? Lol if you weren’t gifted 2 penalties after 80 mins we wouldn’t even be talking about the Springboks 🤣
@@vickyzz7826 we are all happy the Springboks won cause they deserved too....but one thing the Allblacks players are not....is being cocky, me as a loyal supporter, I am cocky🤣😂🤣😂
I'll add a reply here. All you Saffas on here are crowing and talking smack. Did Rassie and that bum on the sideline bring unnecessary kak into Rugby? Absolutely. Did JK and all Kiwis enjoy the rugby played? Absolutely. Everyone from Ireland, England and SA crow when they beat us. Then dissappear when the All Blacks dominate. Enjoy this victory BUT we will always be at the top. We've seen this all before
We selling some humble pie boys😁
Steyn boot pie R50
Elton dropkick pie R50
Am backpass pie R50
It's a sad day in kiwi rugby when pundits have to talk about the ref issues and officials😂😂😂
The rugby world including Kiwi's have no problem talking about ref and officials issues(excuses) but do have a problem when South Africans do the same thing😂. Bloody hilarious 😂😂😂
Because it’s true???
Clearly refs urgently need this feedback and not being open to this is just bullcrap and not acknowledging that is just sour grapes!
You're selling humble pie? how about the humble pie being eaten for 3 straight games, defeating NZ in a dead rubber game
@@toiletsmithy3630 dead rubber game?.looks to me the all blacks diden't see it as n dead rubber game.they just like the boks desperately wants to win.aeesome game.
World Rugby is all about the money. It’s all about keeping the economic power house nations happy. Refs need to be called out or lesser nations will continue to get robbed on the field of play. South Africa were the better team in both test matches. The commentators can’t admit it. Now his worried about the French and Welsh coming in with the High ball. Come on guys focus on your own game and what the ABs need to do next. Stop focusing on what other nations are doing.
By "economic powerhouse nations" do you mean England and France?
So, explain how did you land on "south Africa was the better team in both games"? Stat says otherwise....
@@mauroger86 You're wasting your breath mate, he probably thinks Stat is an STD.......
Are you insinuating NZ is an economic powerhouse? If so what planet are you on
Yes that small island nation of new zealand is an economic powerhouse who controls world rugby from the shadows. You are off your fucking rocker
What a game. But what an arrogant biased analyst in John Kirwan. Dont like this guy. A few weeks ago taking trash about the Boks when we lost to Australia. This week the same and no respect for Bok rugby. Sickening.
Because Boks rugby sucks lol
Yeah, he's bit of a tosser evidenced by his diffusely in eating humble pie - all of them!
He said at the end he didn’t know about the 50/22 rule, how can you be a rugby analyst and not know what the new rules are. 🤦🏾 embarrassment!
He's clutching at straws this guy. An observation of this Foster ABs team will tell you they are far from vintage. Line out shambles, scrum shambles, back line can jam but make far too many mistakes. The Boks will be up there against them next year too. It's anyone's game at this point. Kirwan is talking kak here.
@@nox6885 name who out of the boks starting 15 hadn't played the ABs before this tournament? Guess what ABs had 6 starters who were playing the boks for the first time ever and we struggled. 🤣
We play running rugby and we are very good at it but when face with in your face defence constantly for 80minutes we seem to have no plan b. South Africa does it well and the English did it in 2019.
you are lost. come back home. you cant support another nation just because you like how they play. you support your nation. you are South African brother dnt be confused.
@@answeredprayers9396 credits due when credits due.
South Africa deserved the win and almost had us in the first game.
There's nothing wrong with losing. Teams learns valuable lessons from it.
Irrating to watch with all this one sided commentary and excuses 🤦🏽♂️
This Kirwan fella is a chop
JK - "...we lost because we didn't take 6 points that were left out there..."
The boks left 7 points out there. Why can't he just admit that the boks won itstead of the ABs lost it?
I agree that their discipline let them down, but not nearly as badly as it could have. The ABs had been riding their luck with respect to side entries and offsides all game and were only really held to task with any consistency towards the end of the game. But here too the boks were also guilty of ill discipline at times. Furthermore at least on of the penalties that led to 3pts for the ABs near the end shouldnhave been a penalty to the Boks (when Steyn tackled and ripped the ball from McKenzie before going to ground).
So, it can be argued that both sides left points out there, both sides were let down by I'll discipline, and both sides got some bad calls (some cost more than others). But we can all agree that is was a great game and thus should conclude that the Boks won and not that the ABs lost
The ABs definitely lost. You scored 10/31 points without penalties
They don't acknowledge the boks had the ABs flapping in both games which was a deliberate result of the Boks playing their game and it was better!
Kiwi's are clowns 😂. They remind me of all those goodie two shoes ladies at church that think they are better Christians than anyone and judge other sinners for sinning differently.
If you want to remove the ref harassment then there needs to be actual consequences from world rugby for these shoddy calls that happen on the field… then coaches would actually trust World Rugby and follow the correct channels. Issue isn’t the coaches it’s World rugby being world rugby as usual
And clarity around the rules, any referee can interpret an aspect of the game a different way and unfortunately i think that national bias does play a role in this (unconscious or not). At the very least, WR needs to come up with standard procedures so that ref performances become more homgenous.
Yeah but u can't have waterboys interfering in on field play....this aint soccer.
I will bet every coach secretly cheered Rassie Erasmus' video on the awful refereeing which highlighted the abysmal state of refereeing across the game. Referees are professionals and should be held to a high professional standard, them being "untouchable" is a recipe for the failure we currently see.
Then the waterboy should know his rules. You can't pass the ball back across the halfway line for the 50/22 rule to apply. Same rule as kicking direct from your 22...ball can't be passed back into the 22.
@@keepingitlowlow9506 What about Liam Messam (as waterboy) jumping into a fight against the Wallabies?
You guys - great entertainment. If you're as confused about the Boks as the NZ team, bring on the next WC!
Congrads SA & commiserations to the AB's. Much love & respect to our SA brothers well done you deserve to win. I'm a Kiwi & an AB's supporter. Ift there is any team in the World I like to get beaten by is the SA's. Man it was epic, it was that good old rugby rivalry between the two (2) heavy weights of the rugby world & SA has regained no1 ranking spot again & AB's back to no 2 spot again. I'm so grateful to see the SA's run the ball they look good & I have no problem with their kicking game. I think it's a great tactic to have. Just shows that they aren't a one dimensional team. The three top ranked teams are heading to the Northern hemiphere to play UK club teams. #1 SA, #2 AB's & #3 Aus. I wish all teams good luck on their Northern T
What about no RG Snyman, PSTD, Cheslin Colby and Malherbe. This SA side have depth and hadnt played last year.
Same as the All blacks no smith whitelock too main players in the All blacks
@@aperaruapeeta4309 lol a whole 2
How can the officials not know the rules and then you defend them? 🤣
JK look a little sick from that humble pie he ate. Awesome game from both sides, with room for improvement. Rugby are in a great place after the game over the weekend. And sorry guys, I think that the water boy incident was inappropriate, but don't vilify all SA staff. Rassie made some very good points in his video that was meant for world rugby, we should rather ask if commentary like that are not supposed to be made to keep referees on their toes, and should be done by all coaches regularly. For far to long has referees influence big games.
Lines have been crossed. Are we going to hire social media experts to influence officials, human behavior analysts. It was filthy. Africa has crossed a line that no team has crossed up to this point. Dirty tactics with no concern for the future of the game. Selfish and poor sportsmanship. Sucks because they don't need to revert to those tactics to compete. No other Saffa team / management has.
@@sambeckingsale2542 Nonsense. There is no evidence that Rassie was the one who 'leaked' the video (something that many coaches do and blame on the media).
I'm South African, that never watched the entire "rant". Way too long if you ask me, but I'll one thing that will never leave me, is when Bismarck tackled Dan Carter so hard in that World Cup game the ref sent him off for an early shower, and everyone was like WTF. I for one am glad old Rasie highlighted some of these history defining ref calls. He probably felt going through the normal channels was not working
How in good hell is it justified for Rassie to run as a water boy and basically coach the Springboks during the Lions series and then the Saffas come up with water boy/trainers accosting the touch judge probably at the behest of the coach - can’t they leave that alone?
They’ve got good players but they are so blatant to try and influence refs and run around on the field pretending to be trainers all the while coaching on the field alongside the players - a dumb look for rugby. Shut that stupidity down ASAP.
@@FishFinga17 um, that wasn't a world cup game and it was a yellow card. A second yellow later on for leading with an elbow is what led to the early shower.
The problem here is you focus too much on the boks when you actually have to put all that energy towards your team..
The AB's most valuable player is the ref. Every game against them is 15 vs 16.
Referee was the player of the match for all blacks
I can tell it's hard for JK to accept Boks beating them at their own game.. lol pleasing to watch
actually i dont think so , he is happy they played positive rugby for a change
Extremely pleasing to watch mate, even his mood was a little bit down.
@@camwells9726 cam wells just stop
@@madiemadie6180 🥵🥵🥵 had to watch it twice 😂 just him
@@uSbusiso_ JK is one son of a gun but nevertheless his vibe is needed in the rugby community.😂
Ah! remember these commentators were telling a few weeks ago that South Africa way of play was boring..... what a Fu&^^%rsk this game was the most exacting, and amazing until the end.
Lol saved by refs
And I heard so many SA supporters say the same thing, pissed off their team kicking the ball away when they had huge numbers to attack. If they played like this the other times all they would receive is praise. Well done SA.
@@mattyray100when the main stream media do it its not the same Your media said it was boring and then All of a sudden when we win this game which was probably the best game of the year it’s not boring Our fans may have done that too but our media did not
@@braambezuidenhout9550 Correct!!!
No rassies video was totally founded it’s up to the Refs getting it right
Lol John kirwan looked like he wanted to cry after the game 😂
ABs looked uncomfortable against the rush defence, just like they did against England at the WC19...same coaching, same results...
Damit tafia confound your logic! Thank goodness you not a nz journalist! Stop pointing out these awkward things. Keep your eye on the waterboy! Dont look at the 1st half lead blown or loosing the 2nd half 20 to 3 tryless. And rassie rassie rassie! Sshhhh about the 4 lost line outs and getting owned in the setpiece play and turnovers....😉... Foster is awsome!...
@@gameadadams5338 😆😆😆
Would be good to hear your comment on issues where the refs repeatedly gets it wrong but nothing is done about it. They need to simplify the rules so that there is no possibility for double interpretation.
I was at the game and it was awesome! Great atmosphere, could have gone either way, exciting end. Not the result I wanted but did not leave the game disappointed.
South Africa is a sovereign state at the southern most tip of Africa.
Africa is the second biggest continent which covers both Northern and Southern hemispheres. There are 52 states in Africa.
Please refer to us as South Africa and not just Africa.
Yes it annoys me as well. They can't even be bothered to say the countries name properly.
Honestly I find it so irritating when they do that
Sê hulle Mthunzi, dit irriteer die kak uit my uit.😖
@@lowiq3409 they have been saying this for years and I can't believe they couldn't be bothered
John Kirwin, the Matt Dawson of New Zealand.
Note to JK: The All Blacks have always been masters at playing off-side. They were mostly called out in this game. Unfortunately side entry still not addressed (also a typical All-Blacks tactic).
Boks always leading and confusing the heck out of the competition. Started with Morne Syeyn on the field, old and experienced. Then Australia brings in Quade Cooper. Now these guys are talking about Whitleock and Coles. Bokke Always Leading, Always No. 1. GO CHAMPS👊🤗🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
SA supporter here - think you need to back off on the preservatives you put in that biltong spice boet. We have ways to go to show we have the consistency that is built into the all blacks system.
57-0 was a only a few years ago. Let's wait until rassie gets replaced and see what happens.
Don’t get me wrong the boks are a tough side always have been. But they don’t have the consistency yet to be labeled the best side in the world.
@@the_rocksf1148 world champions and still no.1 on the World Rugby rankings 🤷
@@es4326 I wasn't talking about consistency. I was talking about being innovative. They do things differently like Rassie and the Waterboy thing🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
@@wot4922 you have to be pretty consistent to be "always leading, always no 1" those are your exact words. Look at word rankings for the last 20 years. Who would you say was always no 1? Springboks? Nah
The problem with Aumua is that he has a recoil in his throw which sets a trigger for the opposition jumper.
The issue Mils is that the Springboks operated a defensive POD of Etzbeth (front), De Jagar (middle) and vermuelen (back) which is positioned in the middle-back part of the lineout therefore they have the ability to cut off any ball to the middle and back forcing the ABs to only throw to the front where their lineout defenders in the middle or back can defend the rolling maul to the sideline or pour through to not only disrupt but control our distribution!
We allowed the Springboks to control the lineouts with this defensive formation!
Hope your management listens 2ti you. You obviously watched the game very carefully. Best if lucj👊🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
“Did we get our game right”
Nope! I think we tried to go wide a lot when we hadn’t earned the right to. We certainly missed Aaron Smiths game management of that area. We missed his screaming for forwards to get up off the ground and give him more options, marshalling them around to other sides of the ruck…. Whilst I think we needed to play (and love playing) an up tempo game against the Bokks, we seemed way too impatient. How do you beat the rush defence?? Make sure we have more numbers in the backline…
Bloody great game though. It was certainly an easier loss to accept for a number of years.
Uce....💯💯💯💯👏👏👏👏facts
Remember Boks scraped a win against a team with 6 starting players having played less than 10 test caps and hadn't faced the boks b4 this tournament.
@@sublimeranter4812 any more excuses you would like to point out for the loss ?! 😂😂😂
@@kesivan Yeah no team can win every game but the ABs win more times than everyone else . 😆
@@sublimeranter4812 Ok... any further excuses ?!
Jeff Wilson is spot on. All blacks need to come up with a game plan to counter aggressive rush defense if that means standing deeper in attack or chipping over the defensive line into space I don’t know but they have to do something.
You have to be faster then the rush defence by passing it around more it’s attack vs defence after all
Yup. And respect the game. Can't run everything.
@@Sanduriah they will need to stand deeper in attack then because the defensive line speed is to quick. You seen it in the games against the springboks. Thats why they had alot of handling errors because defensive line speed was up to quick so they either knocked on or got shutdown.
@@defwish09 abs really need to work on that
Boks dominated setpiece
Boks scrum for penalties - in other words "cheat!"
@@thefobbieii2888 bs South Africa won fair and square give the other team credit where it’s due springboks were real dominate.
@@thefobbieii2888 You're a fool if you think a powerful scrum is cheating...what a muppet...HAHAHAHAHA
@@joelmiller5446 - I am NOT disputing the fact that the Springboks won fair and square BUT the fact is it has been claimed here in this comment section that the Boks dominated the set pieces - yes lineouts BUT not scrum! IT is a well known fact that the Boks scrum for penalties and in order to scrum for penalties you have to adopt illegal tactics such as hinging, angling, charging and shoulder/binding tactics - all classic Boks scrum tactics - in order to manipulate the scrum in order to drop or turn in your opponent!
@@shawnberry6110 - the fact that you think the Boks do not scrum for penalties shows how much you know about scrummaging! IDIOT!
John Kirwin singing a different song this week lol
Some of the things Kirwan says week in week out really amazes. This week missing 6 points cost them the game. How many 3 pointers did we miss this past 2 game weeks? Then they missing experience but SA having experience on didn't make a difference. Same applies to when the AB play other teams.
Like the 'blight on the game' comment about the waterboy. What about the injury to Siya being boo'ed by the crowd, and Ardie speaking to the ref about time wastage, all that after the ABs have been injured by far the most in the game. Pathetic really... playing the ref like Gatland did.
The ref was unacceptable! It's enough! World Rugby need to do something.
True did you see all the offsided play by the SA that the ref missed
@@stephenlennon7369 Yes I counted at least 4 times during the game the springbok tackler got away with illegalities in the tackle.... Ie they did not let the all black tackled player place the ball on the ground. They should have been penalised for that instead the all blacks were penalised and they do it a lot.... so probably 12 points plus turnaround in these plays...
@@brendan4815 But did you see the side entry at rucks from AB's? Almost every ruck... And the ball knocked forward for Webber's try? And staying offside during kick returns?
@@brendan4815 Mckensie had no control of the ball when Steyn demolished him in the tackle. Steyn actually had the ball. In fact Mckensie was lying on the wrong side. Kolisi's injury was from someone tackling him around the neck then giving it an old twist for good measure. ABs were off side all the time. We had more possession, territory, better turnover and ruck numbers and less penalties. Oh yes we back to number 1 in the world. The week before that last scrum was a clear penalty for us. To top all this off the All Blacks kicked more ball than the Boks did. The rubbish we endured during the week about our style of play. The next thing the bench is going to be hit I guarantee you. Funny thing is you also have a bench and can bring players on as you wish. Let me remind you if players are struggling and tired you bring on fresh legs because that's when injuries occur.
@@gigimonster1306 I guess both sets of supporters will see the things that the other side is doing wrong! yes It is good to review both teams tactics for fairness.
Like these guys really don’t like seeing their team loose it’s funny to watch 🤣🤣
It’s the passion and it’s great
But the springboks did out play them in key areas of the game and had pollard slotted in the 6 points earlier with Mbonambis try we all know the springboks would’ve won comfortably
You could make the argument that if the boks were penalised for their infringements during the game the all blacks could have probably won. But we dont because thats not how the game was played. Just like how your man missed the kicks, they dont count because they are failed attempts at points
@@N1Lucky point being that only the score board was close the game wasnt that close . the abs lost the 2nd half 20pts to 3pts...they were tryless 2nd half.. they lost a 1st half lead... And got dominated in set piece play lost 4 of their own line outs and got overshadowed at the breakdown. Even the tackle count was higher than the boks on defence. These nz rugby pundits know that. But theyd rather discuss the water boy than the elephant in the room.
@@N1Lucky the bok infringements? Like the 3 points the ref gave NZ for steyn taking the ball off damien mackenzie mid tackle or the three after that for who knows what. Both in the dying minutes?
@@gameadadams5338 exactly on the money. The difference between Saffer commentary is we lash our boys if they aren't performing and acknowledge bad play. NZ (not all - 2 cents rugby is pretty neutral and others) cant take a loss and look at everything else to blame
7:15 Blah, blah, blah! The officiating is straight up sh_t! Pretty much most of the time! Rassie has also been vindicated by the fact that WR haven't even been able to act on the supposed grievance.
World Rugby lost all credibility after they said Fafs yellow card was not a yellow and he shouldn’t have been sent off
There should never see that kind of behaviour towards officials. We need to keep our game clear of the kinds of attitude we see in football.
Oh yeh experience was the reason 🙄 How about the inexperience of the Boks on the field? Missing PSDT, Kolbe…probably the two best players in the world
Average age of Springboks...29...average age of springboks 26. In the 2nd half the springboks had nearly 100 mores tests on the park than the ABs. He is 100% bang on with his comments.
"World Rugby needs to take action and they need to take it quick" 🤣 Good joke. If they were capable of doing that, Rassie wouldn't be making videos and the Bok staff wouldn't be chasing linesman. World Rugby is a joke. 🇿🇦🇳🇿
Great Test how it should be between these two counties. Kiwi commentary, typical one eyed as usual I love the Kiwi's 😍. All Blacks slowing the game down is of course good rugby, Boks doing it, boring and stupid. Made the kicks and should have won but forget the points that they scored off referee mistakes or our missed kicks. Missing Whitelock and Canes, forgetting to mention the Boks missing key players.
Anyway I don't think Eddie Jones is quaking in his boots, going to be easier to beat them than us.
"In the end of day,they didn't know the rules" only bit of sense J.K spoke.
As a kiwi I must say that the All Blacks were lucky to even be in that game at all. The ref was our only saviour that night and without him we would've lost by at least 2 tries. That ref was absolutely pathetic.
The ref was appalling in this match. Tried his utmost to give the ABs to win. There's a video doing the rounds pointing out all the refs dodgy calls. We also don't need these old Kiwi farts dictating to us how we should play....the last time I checked our style won us a World Cup and yours led to being dumped out by England.
Again you're looking like a fan whose team can't beat the ABs more times than the ABs beat your Boks. What's the score after 101 tests?That's right.
@@janegeorge1957 Same number of World Cups though and we played in one less...pipe down.
John kirwin a failed coach who was a winger in an era where the winger stayed wide and he's the expert?Jeff Wilson cheesiest winger in all black history great winger but obviously swallowed to get where he is now.I would take what they say with a grain of salt seriously!!!
Jax Munroe a nobody on the internet who hasn’t got anywhere in the game whatsoever. I would take what he says with a grain of salt too.
@@rory7590 stay of the drugs drippy
I’ve noticed with irritating regularity, that when the ABs lose it’s only because they played badly, not because the other team were better.
Same could be said for the springboks
Against Englund 2019 RWC lost 😢 lol
Queue JK 🤦♂️. FYI I'm a Bok supporter and I suppose the most confusing part is, why did we wait for the last game of the series to come out and play?
@@FishFinga17 good question
I mean it's the truth
Regardless of what happend during the series. these are the 2 best teams in the world.
It's the Boks DNA. Elton made better decisions in the depth. Springboks back at the top.
It's about time too, Elton has always been an amazing player for the Lions, now he can do it for the Boks.
Lol. The loss hurts so bad that you choose to focus on the waterboy
ABs was lucky the ref was on their side but still beaten by a better team on the day.
South african paranoid lager mentality....everyone is attacking us or against us....ref was pretty bad all round...be objective, not ignorant
Great commentary.
So unbelievably one-eyed. How about the two AB’s tries that shouldn’t have been given??
It is unacceptable that officials in this stone and age still get calls wrong. But let's not make a fuss of that. It is human after all to make mistakes. Let's rather appreciate the quality of play by both sides. What a humdinger!! Let's hand it to the All Black players (and this is something we should learn from them) despite the disappointment, they are always gracious in defeat.
@@christoels8110 the AB player are gracious in defeat unlike their pundits
@@iceman777sa But that's what I said.
Na, all the tries in this game were legit.
Kirwin hypocrite. "We can post match critisise officials". But you're not! If you believe that, why not critisising the ref for all the points he gave NZ? At least 13! This was an easy win for Boks (like many in the past) should a fair ref had blown.
Taking his words out of context he's referring to the teams involved can post match critize officiating during the game. Rugby Analysis always critize that's their fucken job.
I have a gown with the same pattern as that blazer Sir
Why is no one talking about our coaching staff? Razor should of been the head coach a long time ago. We're still playing like its 2015 🤣
Ha ha All Blacks so cocky, have some of that
who won the championship?
Anthony Corboy you only as good as ya last game , and you LOST!
Jayne....I think u got rocks in your head🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@jaynedavis3655 yet we still took home the championship 😂
@@jaynedavis3655 you came here thinking you were going to win the championship lol. You are lucky half of our top players were not playing lol.
The Boks know how to ruffle a kiwi's feathers, Boks showed everyone the blueprint on how to dominate the All Blacks. Don't try to beat someone at their game, find your own way to win.
The boos have won 4 games against the ABs in 10 years..they lost to them in tbe world cup.They lost the championship.i wouldn't be overly confident if I was a SA supporter. Don't get my wrong - I don't think the threat comes from NZ but rather from everyone else.
@@sambeckingsale2542 You missing the point here Sam. The Bok beat the AB's by a point... so its a clear and obvious hiding. That plus the new breed of Bok social media fan being as thick as pig shit. Combine those two and it was a clear hiding. The current world champs are unbeatable. Hope the sarcasm comes through clearly.
@@mark130471 World Champs mate...Don't you ever forget that. Well done on the RC trophy and that other one, can't even remember it's name 😂
@@sambeckingsale2542 Look at the last seven games: with the exception of the game in the RWC, they’ve all been within two points. While, yes, the ABs have come out with marginally more wins, if I were an ABs fan I’d feel like that’s too close for comfort.
@@DavyBrando 100% close games. Trying to influence the refs in new and more direct ways to try get over the line in those games is a poor precedent. The NZ team hasn't worked out how to manage the Boks game plan. Not disputing it. I think the Boks are a better wide than they show... at least in one off games. They've failed by all accounts hut I expect them to be the toughest opponent in any one off encounter. I think they've proven mentally weak when it comes to tours and consistency. But they've got all the talent in the world to win big games.
How many points did the Boks loose by missing penalties and conversions - come on guys
Boks make the abs look average
Great game of rugby but some shocking calls from the ref
Don't agree with the commentators on the last part where action needs to be taken against Rassie.
Numerous times rugby teams have pointed out inconsistent refereeing and World Rugby just sat and did nothing.
Now that someone stood up and pointed out so many mistakes that refs are making he gets under fire.
For far too long this issue has been thrown underneath the carpet and looked away.
It's time that World Rugby ensures that there is continuous international rugby standards applied to ensure that this issue does not take place again.
Yes man, me Basil John Harrison I played rugby union since my school days, l started in 1952, i was eleven years old, and I'm now 80,years old,born in 1941, June. Unfortunately in my Erra it was Heavy (Aparthied)in South Africa those days, what a pity i wasn't the rugby star of today, then i could of bragged, and also Hey,,Mate, I'm carrying a Million dollars in my back pocket,,,,,Ha,ha,ha. I'm beezaa. BASIL JOHN HARRISON. now living in Australia.
Where there is smoke there is fire! Several nations mostly SA mentioning you always have to beat nz and the REF isnt bad sportmanship it is a sign of bias and people speaking up against it.
How about that for some humble pie Kirwan and some other commentators. The Boks beat the 'best team in the world' at their own game....so much for the one dimensional boks...
One game bro don't get a head of you're self
@@rugbygossiprugbychampionsh5316 How am I getting ahead of myself? SA beat 'the best team in the world' at their own game after being accused of being one dimensional...they did it. It's history, It happened.
@@rugbygossiprugbychampionsh5316 it’s a defeat we will have to take it on the chin since they took back the number one spot also….
@@shawnberry6110 You think that last game was played in the style of the All Blacks? Gee, you obviously don't watch a lot of rugby.
@@hannotn Did SA run the ball from their 22? Yes...did they use cross kicks, cut out passes and flair play in the backline to score tries? Yes...did they spread it wide whenever they could? Yes..if that's not how the AB's play rugby then you clearly know nothing about the game. Or did you think the Boks were playing their 'boring' rugby again, which would make the loss even worse....
🤣🤣🤣the boks were just better the first half and second half ..all teams made mistakes...but the boks played better we even played a lot in the all blacks half ....that does not occur a lot ...the boks did not have kolbe and peter steph ...so no excuses the boks were just better
And no snyman
It was a desperate win that SA desperately needed 😅
And Willie was gifting them points all over the park!! ...2 of the AB tries were directly from his mistakes ...I'm sure Willie was an AB in disguise ...
Was it not the Kiwis saying during the Lions tour that they thought Rassie as a water boy was a great tactical idea. Now its don't talk to me about water boys. Really!
What if Rassie was correct? Should he still be penalised?
Boks miss a try by 2cm on the line, NZ get a try from a probable knock on, boks miss 2 or 3 kicks at posts. SA dominated the middle of the park, If the scoreboard reflected the game, the boks won that by 15+. Thats the point these lads need to be making.
Is there anything that you won’t whinge, wine or make a big deal out of? You guys are supposed to be bigger than this, stop being so bloody petty with your whingeing about South Africa.
No!!! Let them whinge Herman!!! Dit maak die wen net so veel beter!!
I assume you're talking about the discussion about the waterboy because they were pretty complimentary about the Springboks. I think most people were gobsmacked that he engaged the match officials.
Hate Kirwans biased analysis of the game. It just goes to show this guy knows nothing about rugby.
@@Camino2017 I am talking about the Waterboy incident, and yes it was not an action that was thought through properly, it is not the end of the world however and, given that they acknowledged their mistake, one could expect it not to happen again. But even more astounding than that is the arrogance displayed by Kirwan & Co feeling entitled to the extent where they feel they can dictate how South Africa should play their rugby. As long as the game is being played within the rules it is up to every team to determine its own style, regardless of whether Kirwan & Co approve thereof or not. South Africa is very capable of assessing whether their game plan works for them and the New Zealand commentator’s negativity is nothing but toxic. The true danger to the survival of rugby is the disgusting level of professionalism displayed by the referees. If they really feel rugby need to be protect why don’t they comment on that? They have, seemingly overnight, turned into northern hemisphere pundits and commentators. Bring back the true blue New Zealanders who did not sweat the little things!
@@lukestoffels5545 not true, it just proves that he has just become another northern hemisphere commentator.
JK will be in the mix for the next AB coach.
the moment i have been waiting for