Its amazing how New Zealanders seem to think that rugby has to be played on their terms. None of the tactics they are crying about is illegal. In fact they are all very much in line with the rules of the game. Stop concerning yourself with the Springboks game and style of play, no amount of unsolicited advice is going to stop them from executing their game on the day.
True you are right, they will play their game at the end of the day but their kicking the ball away needlessly was frustrating to watch. All said and done both Kiwis and Safas are very opinionated...it is what keeps us respecting each other and our teams.
@@douglyons2678 0-4 what are you smoking? They won today, lost last week and the the one in the WC, drew in 2019, lost in PTA and won in Wellington. Google is your friend
When South Africa went through a difficult period and getting whipped by the All Blacks, seemingly the rest of the world seemed less vocal about the Springboks' misfortunes. Fast forward two to three years later and suddenly EVERYONE is jumping on the wagon bashing them. England not too long ago played a similar style that brought them a lot of success that culminated in 2003 RWC. Now I'm not excusing the team's performances in the RC thus far and it certainly isn't ideal, but there's a lot to do going forward with this team and how they can get better. The Springboks WILL get better with time. This nonsense of laying the future of rugby at the feet of South Africa must stop. World Rugby should take responsibility for that.
Thank you finally someone with common sense. No one cared how the boks played when we lost 57-0 to the all blacks. And back then we were trying to play like the all blacks. Now we play the way south africa traditionally play and everyone cares now.
What World Rugby wants is to turn rugby union into rugby league it seems. Let's get rid of everything that makes union a true contest such as rucks, mauls, line-outs, kicking and scrums. Let's rather turn it into a bore show of players just running at each other. Let's forget about playing styles and tactics or even strengths. Let everyone just run so the rest of the world can stay in awe of the All Blacks since nobody dares try playing their own style of rugby that leads to success because that's not what world rugby wants.
@@happychappy7115 it's not due to a lack of skill. Yes we dropped alot of ball but that's because we we're under such pressure. We weren't dropping balls like that vs wallabies or pumas
I agree. No matter how boring or how unpleasent the tactics, if it can win the game, any coach would apply it. The AB need to accept the fact that teams will do anything to win the game.
Love the Springboks. We don’t have rugby here in the states. Enjoy watching Faf de Klerk because he plays with an attitude, Eben Etzebeth because he doesn’t put up with any disrespect, Siya Kolisi because he is the heart of the team, etc… looking forward to seeing more games and hope to be able to see a game in person in the future. Go Springboks!!
JK I'm so disappointed I was an 18 year old when Springboks came back into the international fold and as a South african teenager looked up to you and Campo as the best of the best I just expect better from you. Rugby is a chess match both teams play by the same rules how they play is their business may the best team win. ALL BLACK VS BOK rivalry is the greatest in rugby history long may it continue. So much respect for each other from the players would be great to see the media show the same respect.
@Russell Turner A man in his mid fifties wearing a hoodie under a suit jacket? Come on! Anyway, I know you do agree with me (like a sensible person), and you're just stirring shit. It was almost a good one...
Hey John, the looked great to me!!! 4 months since they were last home and guess what the first rugby style to beat ABs in a while! Victory always looks!!
The more I listen to JK the more I'm losing respect for him... Ireland trounced them playing basically the same style of rugby, England beat Australia playing basically the same same style, even when Argentina beat them it was with big forwards and kicking! But the moment the AB's don't have it all their way the Springboks are bringing the quality of world rugby down. I'm fed up with these ex players in their ivory towers who keep forgetting that in their day they had a Grant Fox who kicked just as much as modern players. And suddenly JK thinks of himself as a custodian of how rugby should be played?
Fiji and Australia ran at the ABs and got hammered. NZ exploit breakdown loopholes to gain counterattack ball from which they score against ambitious teams. Another way of looking at it is it's the ABs indirectly killing running rugby.
JK, interested hear your opinion on slowing the game down with fake injuries etc? Thought by now you would have learned not to write off the Boks at every turn.
"A philosophical answer" - are the AB's still rugby players or are they now warrior poets!? It's also not attractive watching the AB's coming in from the side at almost every ruck. Unfortunately, they need to fix their OWN set-piece and EARN THE RIGHT to run the ball. Not through manipulating the ref calls. So get your own house in order, and keep your own nose clean, before you criticize this Bok team that leaves BLOOD and GUTS on the field. They have been lashing every other team in the world, but don't like that we can challenge, rattle and BEAT them. We KNOW they want to run the ball and find broken play ... that is their strength. Telling us to play to THEIR strengths is absolutely ridiculous - nonsense from JK, showing that he is out of touch.
Please don't play like this cause we have to work hard to beat you and move away from our safe space 🤣 Shampies, spot on Armand. They wanna play their way, we play ours, and the worlds collide making a great contest in the end, whoever comes out tops.
yeah, sure, JK's "out of touch"...a bit of a silly comment. Think about it, his full-time job is being a Rugby pundit. He watches analyses and comments on rugby ALL the time. Regardless, it was just his opinion and I bet he echoes most neutrals thoughts. For the majority, attacking rugby is generally more entertaining than defensive. And yes, SA has beaten them once in this Championship, they also beat SA once. They played 6 won 5, SA played 6 won 3.
Is it not "out of touch" then - is it simply arrogance to expect that the game should be played within the limits you set? As far as I can see, they play within the law (as much as any team does) and have scored PLENTY of tries against both the All Blacks and others. If that's his opinion, well then this is mine - I think NZ love sitting pretty at the top, and don't like it when they get beaten. I think alot of the comments from them are criticisms against us (or indeed sometimes other countries) whereas it is seldom that South African commentators/pundits are so harshly critical about our opponents. Needlessly so, in my opinion. So yes, it feels good to put one over on him. Even if it is only 1-1. And I think your stats lesson is just proving my point even more - which is that, being an incredibly successful team, the AB's don't like that South Africa have the ability to beat them. Sure, the stats aren't in our favour, but I'm sure they're better than any other nation's stats against New Zealand. So yes, we have alot of areas to improve in, we need to increase our squads' depth, we have challenges to our provincial sides but for now, we are going to savour this latest result, whether JK thinks our style of play was acceptable or not. Philosophically speaking, of course.
Everything the Boks are doing are within the rules of the game. We have different strengths to that of the All Blacks. Why didn't the All Blacks dazzle the crowd with running rugby? I'll tell you why. They weren't given space to just run around and score 5/6 tries. They were met by strong, resolute defence and even dominated in the tackle. The Bok forwards were superior, as they often are and that makes it difficult to get go forward and momentum. Kirwan would love for the Boks to play the run at all cost game and gift them 3 intercept tries in the name of more attractive rugby. The popularity of rugby in SA has grown immensely. We understand the game and we understand our strengths. If Kirwan found a game that was decided in the last three minutes, boring, We'll then, he doesn't understand rugby afterall.
it was boring you sook lolz winning just by forwards wont win rugby is a team sport and at the end of the day you cant beat the all blacks when they making basic errors you wont beat them when there better
@@kaynestrickland3587 well, we could have won and we have recently. It was extremely close. What would you have said had Barrett missed that kick? It's only exciting to you when you can run around and score tries at will, Well we don't allow that. You guys don't like competition.
Im pretty impressed with Ruby Tui's astute and insightful observations on the state of the game and how it's played. No offence to any other panel members, but Tui's as good and as engaging to listen to as, Keith Quinn, Phil Gifford and their ilk, whom I've enjiyed listening to for the past 40 years
@@mikespencer4922 ,that's not their fault the opposition is weak they can't help that but SA can change their boring style nothing's stopping them from doing that
All blacks better step it up! cause man that was a close one 😅 Springboks brought that rivalry back into this game! may the best team win next weekend! 🔥 🇿🇦 🇳🇿
damn we lost! 😆 well done springboks!! The better team won!! 🔥 soo gutted! But hey abs can’t win them all! the Springboks truely are the all blacks number one foe!
John Kirwan, you make me laugh. We all know that you've have never showed the Boks any respect. South Africans are looking forward to play in the Northern Hemisphere. The best team in the world (?) will soon find themselves isolated. They can then revel in playing the Aussies every second weekend.
@@stevemclean4592 while I don't disagree, after them lions tour, Argentina games, 2 weeks further quarantine, all requiring bio bubbles, I am happy with the the last 2 games. I can only imagine how difficult it was for the players to pick themselves up for the Australia games. Losing due to combination of apathy, exhaustion vs an Australian team that found their missing ingredient with Coops is not a cause for concern. Not saying Boks would have won both games vs Aus, but probably the first. Separate note, Australia rugby has made it hard to hate you guys recently you sucked so hard. Glad you guys are back.
He's right mate the springboks have some great backs let them play 10 man rugby went out of style in the amateur days Fan's want to see entertaining rugby they pay good money to watch or view on TV I steady Eddie played like that in the 6 nation's last season we were rubbish 🏉🏉🏴🤔
First is was our bomb squad that had the likes of him moaning and now it is our brand of rugby. People will always have something to say about the Bokke. All antagonists without substance. Can you imagine an Impala inviting and Elaphant to rugby and asking the elephant NOT to use it's strength but run with the ball instead? It is ridiculous! It would all but make the Impala look better than it actually is. AB's are not all that great. They got exposed this weekend. So instead of fixing themselves, they moan and whine about how boring our Boks are. Everybody should just play THEIR brand of rugby and employ whatever suits their team. End of story.
@@dude9318 Springboks supporter posted a video whinging about Quade Cooper wasting 30s for the winning kick with no time left on the clock........overreacting you say? Only laws matter now not the spirit of how the game is played..........Ok got yah
Considering the Boks have played so little rugby these past two years , coupled with CV19, I believe the Boks are playing a style of rugby merely to survive and stay relevant until they get enough game time under their belts.
good point.They have had a year less than everyone else and a choka block itiniery with the lions,played completely rusty.There hasnt been time to develop their game plan till the end of 22.
They are NOT they worried about how we play that we will beat them now they trying to drag us to play like them so that they can tear us apart and now the way we play it makes it so difficult for them to beat us.
Not really. When Beauden Barrit was caught moving the ball forward a few metres forward a few years back for a penalty this same crew never tore him apart on Monday for bringing the game into disrepute - in fact it was considered smart. John Kirwan carried on about The Boks gamesmanship on Saturday but has never questioned Sean Fitzpatrick who was the king of doing it weekly. When we complained about that we were laughed at and told to suck it up. Just saying.
@@bunnychowmuncher JK has got it wrong on this occasion, the box kick is a great tactic that the Boks have mastered, the only issue i had was when they had an opportunity to run or hold onto the ball and run the clock down, they didn't.
@@Noone-p2p2x Sometimes in the heat of the moment we can do stupid thing. You often see it in golf where players will go for a Par 5 in two and they put it in the water hazard when they could have laid up or vice versa with being conservative when they could have got an eagle. It happens.
@@Noone-p2p2x - exactly in other words when the Springboks box kick their opponent has GOT to catch the ball then you have to get numbers on the tackle ball or they well turn you over! When the Boks got their target length right in the 2nd half look at the amount of time the ABs failed to take the ball in the air and how many times did their chaser beat Jordie Barrett to the landing zone with more traffic - it put us extreme pressure! The Boks controlled the lineouts forcing the ABs only option is to throw it to the front because anything that went to the back got picked off! Then from set pieces Barrett was throwing face ball passes on a umbrella rush defence and we got caught and made errors on the apex of that umbrella defence! How many times did we conceive turnover possession at the tackle ball and the errors! Here is the main issue - we still have not been able to counter the rush umbrella defence by the Boks!!!! Why are these NOT the main talking points! In regards to the Boks tactics slowing the game down - guess what they got away with it because the referee allowed it! I remember speaking to a ex-All Black trialist in 1987 and he told me that the best players are the ones who are able to play to the referee! There is no point in us going off at the referee about it - yes she is correct in her analysis but the point is how are the ABs going to counter this if the referee allows it? I thought Savea could have put more pressure on the referee but even then if the referee is not going to listen - what do you do? I agree with you that the Boks need to look at that attacking zone 30m out from the opponent goal-line! Yes its a great option to have with up & unders but if they could vary their play with some attacking with ball in hand as well posing problems for defences because it then puts the defence in 2 minds - are they going to kick or attack with ball in hand!
hahahha this is priceless.... kiwis complaining how the boks are playing ... hilarious. The ABs are free to do with the ball as you please when you in possession of the ball so go score tries as you do run at the boks! The problem is the boks rattled you guys and the mistakes came ( in the form of handling errors ) Play your game guys and stop worrying about the boks, they playing to their strengths at the moment ( extremely unfit and average players from 12 -14 )
@@RioGamer think you need to go look at the results again. its: nz25-24rsa 2017 abs won nz34-36rsa springboks won nz32-30rsa abs won nz16-16rsa draw nz23-13rsa world cup abs won nz19-17rsa abs won nz29-31rsa 2021 springboks won 2 wins and a draw in the last 7, show me any other country that come this close this often to the all blacks avarage is 4/10 which is horrible but still much better than the rest of the tier one nations. the two 50 plus tests in 2016/17 has been erased from my memory and i refuse to talk about it. hahaha
Most other teams used to complain about McCaw's cheating at the breakdown although technically he just knew how much to push depending on who was reffing. Stop moaning and figure out how to beat them like Australia seem to have
Imagine a South African panel complaining that the All Blacks run too much and don't use their forwards enough and accuse them of playing touch rugby. Have New Zealanders considered that the Springboks don't want to play the same style as the All Blacks?
Funny, in yesterday’s game the ABs slowed the game down! Scott Barrett’s injury took an eternity to deal with. Can this please be acknowledged and can analysis of Boks please be balanced. It amazes me how everyone has got their panties in such a bunch 😎
What matters most is the competitiveness on the field, then the comradery and respect of the players shown after the game. What gets said in youtube comment is irrelevant but we should show same respect.
I think JK is wrong, the high kick is a skill very well utilized by the Boks, but I think they need to be more balanced in their approach, knowing when to run with the ball and when to kick is a necessary part of the game, if Boks can find that balance, they will be the best in the world once again. ABs will adjust to the kick game and improve but regardless of that, I still think Boks can be the best with a balanced approach to their game.
I don’t know why the Springboks are bothering the ABs so much. They beat them fair and square. They only play twice a year. They don’t compete in SuperRugby anymore. Jeff sounds like an ex girlfriend who is jealous because her ex boyfriend is dating a supermodel and just won the 2019 World Cup and beat the British Lions. Get over it.
An easy route to the final of the RWC and you lost to NZ you beat an average stale Lions side JUST and then got hammered by Australia and lost to NZ again not very impressive at all.
The Springboks have hardly been able to play together in 2 years. They have not been able to change their game plan especially with a new coach and at the end of the day it's about winning games.
Springbok line speed was all over the All Blacks. They have huge physicality and won the collisions and have outstanding backs that match the power and running of the All Black backline. The Boks after many years are starting to get it right again and hit their straps. Which as an Englishman is great to see. The dominance the All Blacks have had since 2010 is over. Springboks keep it simple. If you can beat them with finesse then great well done. We'll all applaud. But you have to match them up front and in the collisions. That is just the way the Boks play and long may that continue. They've crushed England several times, twice in the World Cup final even after an excellent England performance put the All Blacks to the sword in the last World Cup. I thought the All Blacks might have beat the Boks had you won that Semi Final. I now think you might have gone down by a larger margin than they crushed England Rest of the world needs to step up like the Irish. It is also great to see the French starting to find their old menace and allure and ability to crush anyone anywhere on any day. There are areas of the game that need attention and the scrum is one of them although the game yesterday had lots of solid scrummages and real competition. The IRB need to get things right but if even Scotland now have a competitive side we could be in for a golden era of international Rugby and that is always the most important for me. The All Blacks are fine. You've come up against an excellent French and the best Irish team ever and you're struggling in South Africa. That's not a crisis it is just Rugby. You'll be fine. I still put you second or third favourites for the World Cup next year
Respect to you from a Bok supporter. Someone willing to state the obvious. How life works and as a sportsman be prepared to "take it on the chin" on a bad day. The wheel always turns and yes, the game is in an excellent place at the moment. Agree totally.
I honestly don't think it's that effective against the abs. They were gifted 7 points by George bridge and all blacks made so many handling errors when it was just ball in hand that kept them in the game. All blacks turned down easy points off penalties and were too slow in adjusting their lineout. Nevermind the fact that three of our best players in mounga, smith and whitelock arent playing.
The handling errors and George Bridge error was caused by pressure. The style of play by all teams changes (some more than others) at the World Cups and is definitely built around defense. I stand corrected but the statistics in World cups show that the team who has less possession wins games ?
@@brettg4784 I disagree honeslty. The all blacks are known for their outstanding ball-handling skills and flat passes in tight spaces many of their drop balls came before the contact which was just uncharacteristic of a typical all blacks team. And bridge should catch that ball 99 times out of 100. An uncontested box kick to an all blacks winger with one chaser (who was really jogging) on the try line should never be droped cold the boks were extemely lucky to get that try and yet it was the only try they could generate.
I think that George Bridge drop was a fluke. He's drifting back to catch the high ball and it's moving on him. at the very last second he cleared the shadow of the stadium and probably couldn't see anything. As coffeine said, that was far from a high pressure situation like the rest of them were. But, at the same time that is the nature of the high ball. You can't predict that any one kick will succeed but statistically 3 of 10 will. So you keep chucking in shots on goal.
@@coffeine1924 No certainly the AB's as have a general all round passing game, but dropping balls before contact can be from looking up to see what missile is coming to smash you. No doubt the ball was swirling but any kick is any as effective as its chasers ! Each team has there own strengths and the AB's and their supporters trying to get everyone to play a style like theirs when its not the strength of others is just a ploy to get them to try take them on at the AB's style
@@brettg4784 ,no they weren't SA were only responsible for some of the errors but the ABs were their own worst enemies with so many UNFORCED errors and SA try was not pressure at all Bridge just misjudged the catch he had all the time in the world no real pressure on him
@@fomofud9479 I would have, we need to be physical and box kick etc, but also able to use the backing and score tries, will be very dangerous and not one dimensional.
@@fido5067 hate to break it to you mate but the Boks have been one dimensional since 1891 and yet they have dominated for longer periods than even the AB's and been more successful at RWC's than any other side in the world including the AB's.
@@fomofud9479 more successful than the ABs in the World Cup? ABs - first World Cup winners ABs - first to win 3 world cups ABs - first to win back to back world cups (2011-2015) But let’s remove the World Cup from the conversation. Boks longest win streak - 6 AB’s longest win streak - 8 I’m not gonna get too deep into facts but the stats speak for itself
Must the boks be te only ones that must score try s i thought their was 2 teams in the game with more than 50% ball position so the game can only be boring if all play the same way
You're right mate. Boks and ABs figured each other out and kept on doing the same thing. ABs spread the ball wide, they get shut down boks turn the ball over. Boks make a break get up to the ABs half. Boks kick it away ABs recover the ball. Then repeat process until either team makes a mistake or it's full time. The ABs we're pulled into playing boks footy whether they liked it or not. This is why I think that the boks aren't going to change much. But that's the unpredictability the boks have in their arsenal. Use it fellow rivals ✌️ shake things up, what more is their to lose 🤷👍
Would you rather see 57-0 or would you rather see an arm wrestle? We tried an expansive game under Coetzee and it did not work. Some people have very short memories.
I mean, I think one team or another can dictate how the game is played though. The ABs can't run it out of their 22 every single time, they also have to play for territory and balance the kicks from hand as well, or else they end up pinned in their own half the whole game and are doing exactly what SA want them to do. The Boks can apply pressure in many ways to determine the way the game plays out, and if they want to grind out a game that's much easier than the ABs wanting to play free-flowing. Kind of a rock-paper-scissors equation, if you get my meaning.
It seems unlikely the AB's will make the same mistakes two games in a row. I think that the AB's also adapt better and are better second time around. I think that it is easier to practice being more clinical in your approach to a rush defense than it is to perfect that kind of defense. The Bok's have clearly perfected the rush defense already. The AB defense was pretty good even though their attack lacked some precision. The question for the Bok's, is how do we beat the AB's. The AB's, will be concentrating on being clinical. This formula has worked well for the AB's in the past. I think it will be another close game, and the team that uses every opportunity with the ball, to attack with ball in hand, will win. Both will defend well, but being able to defend at a high level and still attack at every opportunity will separate the teams. Bok's once again serve notice on NZ, and those that thought that they had lost their Mojo.
Good note. I think the AB's will be much better and see a score-line of 10 points difference (if not more) for the AB's. The Boks are going to be tested on fitness and mental strength as they have one foot on the plane back home for a deserved rest (albeit they most likely would have lost every game on tour). I am hoping to eat massive Humble Pie should this not be the case.
The All blacks ran in 4 plus tries against every team they have played against this year. Then the springboks comes along and limit them. How is that the fault of the springboks???
4 tries is on the cards next time the ABs are unlikely to play that bad again and they'll have a better team SA are in trouble especially if the ref does his job and stops them from slowing the game down
What if the All Blacks win again and don't score 4 tries will the Boks be pleased they lost, will it prove their strategy works? Since when did saffas start treating close loses like wins? I'm amused by some of these comments
It was proven already ..WC + B&I lions in the bag ...However I will admit it is as frustrating for the bok fans to watch as well . Do remember boks lost on Saturday in the last 4 minutes of the match due to decision making and not game plan .What people are asking for is ridiculous. Imagine your opponent telling you how not to play ffs.
@@ebrj5188You're only as good as your last game mate, we can prove that strategy won't work against the ABs if we are going off the 5, 10 or even 20 games played, besides that everyone has an opinion they're like arseholes we all got one. But does that mean if i tell you to go fly a kite are you going to do it? probably not so do you will do us. Don't be quick to jump on JK remember bokke have Mark Keohane and he's worst😛
@@ebrj5188 ,not really SA had an easy route to the final and lost to NZ you beat an average stale Lions side JUST you got hammered by Australia and lost to NZ AGAIN it only works against average sides rarely against NZ in fact only 3 wins in 11 years says it all
The goal is to win not to entertain if you not like our style its your version leave our style and play your entertaining game we are in it to win it POINT!!!!!😊
What bothers me, and should bother other followers of the game, the ref was in his element, he did nothing to prohibit these obtrusive ugly stoppages, must be a northern rugby thing, we also need a team Captain who will protest vigorously to the ref over these frequent boring stoppages, looking at you Ardie.
Yeah that's so true man, & yes agree with you there Ardie needed to step up & say something not just stand there and accept what the Boks were doing, but think he was too over rawed by the occasion, if it was McCaw he would have made sure to get in the refs ear & make sure he's officiating the game in a positive manner not allowing these dirty tactics to happen, even though we won the Boks absolutely ruined this game for me...
Well it is only his second test as captain. I’m sure he would’ve have a word with the coaching staff about certain situations during that game. He’ll get better.
Nothing to do with Northern Rugby! All the new laws like the TMO etc were introduced in Super Rugby before anywhere else! as demanded by the SANZAR Unions! Get your facts right before you embarrass yourself even more son!
You have to admit tho, not many anticipated such a close score. As for variety, the Boks haven't quite put it together, yet. They may get beaten next week but they have a solid squad going forward. Including the Wallabies.
I think we have a good understanding of that game plan to work for 80% of the game. What I do not understand is getting close to the AB 22 and then kicking the ball. I understand it's a territory game, but we have won the territory, we are in an attacking position, let's attack, not defend in an attacking space. We could have won if we played when we had the ball approaching the 22. Kicking the ball away in those positions will lose you the game, and it did.
Agreed. And us NZ supporters should all be worried. These Boks can play Rugby. The Boks keep the ball in hand in our 22, and the AB’s lose convincingly imo. The fact they made few mistakes compared to our AB’s seems to be going unnoticed by many.
@@Pohara68. The thing about the ABs is that, unlike the Boks, they adapt well over games. This next game I'm worried for Boks. ABs will iron out those issues and come back harder, faster and more decisive. Boks better be far more clinical at the 22 or it's going to be a long day at the office. Much respect mate. Cheers.
@@nickybabalas Taking my sons to the game. As a leader and dominant player, Kolisi stands alone on the world stage. Can’t wait to see Duane and Eben with my own eyes. Yeah we have some amazing backs in NZ, but that whole Bok pack are monsters. In a war of attrition, thats the pack I want. Take that pack up to the Northern Hemisphere, with the AB backline along with Kerevi and Kellaway, and its a massacre. Hoping for a great match. Cheers mate.
John Kirwan you never told Grant Fox to stop kicking the ball. No flyhalf in the world kicked more than Grant Fox and Andrew Merthens. All you did JK was to chase the kick.
I believe the Boks are on a good path. Strategy wise though, box kicking when in the ABz 22 is crazy to me. Better decisions need to be made in those key areas of the field
@@dude9318 Credit to the boks for frustrating the ABs but they really stuffed up a golden opportunity to win that game against the ABs. Damn that must of hurt😜
The Boks kick and hope game plan with the slowing down play are all tactics to nullify the ABs strike power, yes they make their games boring to watch but its the only way they know how to compete. They are the most boring side to watch.
They had the same style at the last world cup and it didn't ruin the experience. When it's done well, games can still be exciting, it's when it's well defended that it can get boring (especially seeing as the Boks have great defence as well)
I never thought the day would come that NZ would bring out the sour grapes 🍇 Suck it up and find a way As an England supporter we try different styles but alqays go back to our original style under pressure some times it works sometimes it doesn't I would love England to play a Harlequins style of play of the bat but we just don't seem to click at it SA are just better at it at the moment But defenses adapt and the game changes , a good coach should be able to change a team dynamics especially with the players NZ have
@@johanels7615 a two point loss is a triumph? Boks are pretty happy with their close defeats against All Blacks and Wallabies. Kind of sad for the world champions. I'm from the Northern Hemisphere and the Lions series was atrocious and the recent Bok Matches are hard to watch because they are so boring
If Boks play boring rugby then the opposition must razzle dazzle the spectators with running rugby. Not to do so is a cop out. I fail to see how the Boks style rugby can prevent the AB's from running the length of the field with slick passing and scoring under the posts. Do it!
@Go on have some How does strolling to line outs, discussions with the ref prevent AB's from starting a line move in their own 22 and running the length of the field with typical AB passing and support play and scoring beneath the posts? I fail to see how Bok 'tactics' will prevent this. If by some reason it does prevent this then all power to the Boks. Should the Boks play rugby that gifts play to the AB's strength? No. The AB's must demonstrate their traditional skills and not say "The Boks are preventing us playing to our strengths" Well hello!
It's just a tactic, people better stop moaning. The same way Jose Mourinho made parking the bus popular in football to win the uefa. Is it boring to park the bus? Yes, but it works very well
As a Bok supporter I actually agree with this sentiment. The negative style of rugby… small “physio” injuries, slowing ball down, taking 100 years to form a line out, kicking away possession… ruining the great game we call rugby.
Thank you, about time we have an honest Saffa supporter who's gonna tell it like it is & not make up bs to suit his ego like many in this thread....🤦♂️
It’s true what the panel is saying in reference to slowing play down. England and Ireland are good at it. The point is that’s not there fault but the officials who are meant to control the game. The point is we were good enough to handle the pressure. Well done SA on a brilliant game. Come All Black you got this.
Has rugby really become so one dimensional that we we can only appreciate one style of play. I watch rugby because it of all its complexities compared to other sports. Can we not celebrate the Springboks for bringing a new dimension to the game? The Springboks are bringing something different and it interests me to see how teams cope with this. Why do we have ex All blacks speaking about our game as though it is going to stangnate when we all know that it is always evolving. ABs will adapt, Boks will adapt, and the rivalry will continue. Rugby will always evolve and teams will always be developing. I understand that AB supporters want to see running rugby, but what interests me is seeing how teams evolve from being sucked into playing the boks style of play and where the game will go from there. Do our ex ABs really think that this is a connundrum that can't be solved and that this is just how its going to be forever. I am a mathematician with a handfull of games in my early scholling career to draw experience from. If I can realize this we should expect better commentary from ex ABs. Shout out to fresh perspectives and exploring new dimsions of the game. Seeing everybody try to play in the same way and hearing everybody say the same things is not why I watch rugby. lol I came here to get an idea of how the ABs gameplan would develop from here. But they are just repeating what is being said on every other channel. Should we not expect more from ex ABs? We have heard this before.
I don't think it is necessarily bad that they (ex ABs) can't provide a desirable answer to counteract this style of play, the verdict is still not yet out on how one can counteract this 'new' brand of rugby. Is there even a good "running rugby" refutation to contestable high balls and pressure defenses? Doesn't seem like it (beyond catching high balls and nitpicking defensive schema with ball in hand...which is not unique to this style of play). There's also the fact that it is a very boring viewing experience (not just for AB supporters).
what is actually more annoying than springbocks style of play is the ongoing useless discussion. bottom line is that south africa is very effective and was very close to beating the all blacks. it was one or two stupid kicking away the ball in the last 5 minutes and we would have a different winner. all backs simply were extremely lucky and probably didnt even deserve to win. as a matter of fact the quality of play was awful mostly due to the awful handling and mistakes from new zealand. also be careful what you wish for: if the springbocks find a balance between their current game plan and running rugby with their very dangerous wings/backs a la kolbe they may well be the biggest force in rugby!
@@stuartwhyman1 - ...."Their record in the last 10 meeting would say otherwise. 10:1 THe most boring top tier team out there".... You completely miss the point! We - the ABs - were very average vs the Boks due to the Boks game plan! They controlled us in the lineouts, they controlled us in the rolling mauls, the referee dealt to us on the penalty count with the scrums - though incorrect penalties - our attack got nailed behind the advantage line by the Boks umbrella rush defence and once they got their target length right on the box kicks in the 2nd half the ABs loss the aerial battle there and the ABs got turned over like french toast at the tackle ball! And that's the best comment you can come up with - lol delusional!
Omw...trash talking kings... As a springbok supporter i did not support the shitty kicking gameplan, but it almost worked and believe me it was also frustrating me. Shows you the boks can have different gameplans and still cause upsets. Would be nice to hear what this panel have to say about yesterdays game... Tons of poor ref decisions that always favours the ABs. The scoreboard should have been much bigger for the boks, but i bet for you blokes it doesnt matter. The 3 losses for us is a good learning curve. When we bring our A game NO TEAM STANDS A CHANCE . Watching this show was a serious joke...m
John Kirwan is so right, it was so boring and it reduce people from watching and playing the game. There were so many breakdown that you need the ambulance to stand by every 5 minutes to check on the Springboks if they were breathing. There was lack of vision to run the ball, this has been eliminated from the SA side. The All Blacks need to hold on to the ball to mall and drive then run it to score. Only the All Blacks can be innovative and can come up with ways to counter rush defense.
@@devongarvie6261 Exactly right and the same applies to other sports like Cricket, soccer etc. Its the result that counts. Boks get to world number one and win the world cup and now the Kiwis are pissed off. The All Blacks need to counter this and guys like JK need to stop winging.
If a team plays to their strengths don't knock it . All rugby teams play to their particular strengths . No team is going to play to the dictates of the opposition or the commentators and loose just to ' play attractive rugby ' for spectators . Nobody remembers the attractive play when the team looses .
Truly embarrassing how they cry about not having an answer to the bokke's game plan. 3 qaurters of the possession and hardly any points to show for it.
Its amazing how New Zealanders seem to think that rugby has to be played on their terms. None of the tactics they are crying about is illegal. In fact they are all very much in line with the rules of the game. Stop concerning yourself with the Springboks game and style of play, no amount of unsolicited advice is going to stop them from executing their game on the day.
True you are right, they will play their game at the end of the day but their kicking the ball away needlessly was frustrating to watch.
All said and done both Kiwis and Safas are very opinionated...it is what keeps us respecting each other and our teams.
Its about loosing people on the grades and back home watching tv. Rubbish sports dont like to nobody, thats the problem.
@@moziboy75 ITS TIME FOR J.K. TO ACCEPT THAT
Just about says it all.
Actually yes they are time wasting is illegal
The Boks are obviously doing the right thing if these boys aren't liking it. Just saying.
I would've thought the right thing is to play entertaining rugby and win games?
Springboks can beat the All Blacks with entertaining rugby.. they just need a new coach.
The only real justification for playing this style of rugby is winning. Going 0-4 against their chief rivals is abject failure.
We don't need entertaining rugby to beat them clearly
@@douglyons2678 0-4 what are you smoking? They won today, lost last week and the the one in the WC, drew in 2019, lost in PTA and won in Wellington. Google is your friend
JK criticising the boks style but he's rocking a hoodie under a blazer 👀😂😂
honestly I love the don't give a shit attitude about that haha
not a good look for a pensioner
We need to find the one person who told him that’s a good look. Eesh, pick one lane, FFS.
That got my immediate attention 😂
😂😂😂
I keep forgetting all teams should do exactly as the All Blacks want them to do.
Yes, rather silly of you to overlook that. 🥸
Now you know
And never tackle Dan Carter
@@affiliateclimbmax9287 yes will get a yellow card for that 😆
O boy...think of test cricket. It's not exciting, it's a chess match to exploit weaknesses. Purpose of the game...win!
When South Africa went through a difficult period and getting whipped by the All Blacks, seemingly the rest of the world seemed less vocal about the Springboks' misfortunes. Fast forward two to three years later and suddenly EVERYONE is jumping on the wagon bashing them. England not too long ago played a similar style that brought them a lot of success that culminated in 2003 RWC. Now I'm not excusing the team's performances in the RC thus far and it certainly isn't ideal, but there's a lot to do going forward with this team and how they can get better. The Springboks WILL get better with time. This nonsense of laying the future of rugby at the feet of South Africa must stop. World Rugby should take responsibility for that.
Thank you finally someone with common sense. No one cared how the boks played when we lost 57-0 to the all blacks. And back then we were trying to play like the all blacks. Now we play the way south africa traditionally play and everyone cares now.
What World Rugby wants is to turn rugby union into rugby league it seems. Let's get rid of everything that makes union a true contest such as rucks, mauls, line-outs, kicking and scrums. Let's rather turn it into a bore show of players just running at each other. Let's forget about playing styles and tactics or even strengths. Let everyone just run so the rest of the world can stay in awe of the All Blacks since nobody dares try playing their own style of rugby that leads to success because that's not what world rugby wants.
I agree well said
@Go on have some its really not a bad team its the same squad that won the world cup and won against the British and Irish lions.
@Go on have some why you so mad tho
How’s about some respect for the Boks
We don’t play to entertain you….we play to win.
God help rugby if SA dominate lol
@@Trajan2401 You're *very* weird for this comment
It was entertaining to everyone else except NZ!
Thank you🇿🇦🔥🔥
Simple!
We need to stop focusing on what the Boks are doing and look at fixing those mistakes we made.
We have to adapt and change our tactics. It will be a different story this weekend.
I agreed with you,
We need to worry about our own game first before we worry about anyone else game.
@@baileygilbert4766 Agreed. Stop fluffing passes and dropping the ball would be nice. Jeez at this level its totally unacceptable.
@@happychappy7115 it's not due to a lack of skill. Yes we dropped alot of ball but that's because we we're under such pressure. We weren't dropping balls like that vs wallabies or pumas
I agree. No matter how boring or how unpleasent the tactics, if it can win the game, any coach would apply it. The AB need to accept the fact that teams will do anything to win the game.
The springboks deserved there win!!!
Our rivalry will always be with South Africa!!!…. We don’t call yous our old foe for nothing!!!
Love the Springboks. We don’t have rugby here in the states. Enjoy watching Faf de Klerk because he plays with an attitude, Eben Etzebeth because he doesn’t put up with any disrespect, Siya Kolisi because he is the heart of the team, etc… looking forward to seeing more games and hope to be able to see a game in person in the future. Go Springboks!!
Tnx for surporting Boks
Bro the America eagles... You do have a 15 and 7 man side
Yes you do MLR
@@Trajan2401 my mistake. Have never seen a game on television and to my knowledge no team close to me
@@johnsessums9485 don't worry about those American teams. You are home here with the Boks 😂🤗
JK I'm so disappointed I was an 18 year old when Springboks came back into the international fold and as a South african teenager looked up to you and Campo as the best of the best I just expect better from you. Rugby is a chess match both teams play by the same rules how they play is their business may the best team win. ALL BLACK VS BOK rivalry is the greatest in rugby history long may it continue. So much respect for each other from the players would be great to see the media show the same respect.
JOHN KIRWAN. SHOW SOME GODDAMN RESPECT FOR ONCE.
And dress like a grown-up, for goodness sake!
@Russell Turner Do you disagree, though? No? Sad...
@Russell Turner A man in his mid fifties wearing a hoodie under a suit jacket? Come on! Anyway, I know you do agree with me (like a sensible person), and you're just stirring shit. It was almost a good one...
@Russell Turner How did you know?! 👰
Always good to answer your critics with a fantastic win…😂
Hey John, the looked great to me!!! 4 months since they were last home and guess what the first rugby style to beat ABs in a while! Victory always looks!!
The more I listen to JK the more I'm losing respect for him... Ireland trounced them playing basically the same style of rugby, England beat Australia playing basically the same same style, even when Argentina beat them it was with big forwards and kicking! But the moment the AB's don't have it all their way the Springboks are bringing the quality of world rugby down. I'm fed up with these ex players in their ivory towers who keep forgetting that in their day they had a Grant Fox who kicked just as much as modern players. And suddenly JK thinks of himself as a custodian of how rugby should be played?
His points are correct, though. It’s winning rugby but it is not exciting to watch.
Watching this after our "boring rugby" put one over you boys today by actually not playing boring ruby at all...
Boks looked so much more like 2019 bokke yesterday... loved it
And the all blacks have actually kicked more than the boks. But ofcourse that fact doesn't fit their narratives
It’s amazing what idiots can get the commentary jobs these days, is this all you can produce NZ
@@bensenzo i noticed that as well they also tried to use the maul a few times a move they are very much against.
@Russell Turner why should I shut up?
The Bok plan is working wonders we are definitely entertained when watching the Springboks they are world champions 🏆 for a Reason
Fiji and Australia ran at the ABs and got hammered. NZ exploit breakdown loopholes to gain counterattack ball from which they score against ambitious teams. Another way of looking at it is it's the ABs indirectly killing running rugby.
JK, interested hear your opinion on slowing the game down with fake injuries etc? Thought by now you would have learned not to write off the Boks at every turn.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Look at the score board
@@johnfourie8071 THE ART OF DEFENSE WILL ALWAYS BEAT THE ART OF ATTACK. POINT PROVEN. SILENCE YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY JOHN.KIRWAN... (MR KNOW IT ALL)
Strange he chose to criticize it and then the ABs did exactly the same thing, but on steroids
@@stevenbennett9756 yes but this time it was smart rugby, the best way to shut them up is just win.
@@EthanGordon007 Yes we saw how that worked against the wallabies 🤣
"A philosophical answer" - are the AB's still rugby players or are they now warrior poets!?
It's also not attractive watching the AB's coming in from the side at almost every ruck. Unfortunately, they need to fix their OWN set-piece and EARN THE RIGHT to run the ball. Not through manipulating the ref calls. So get your own house in order, and keep your own nose clean, before you criticize this Bok team that leaves BLOOD and GUTS on the field.
They have been lashing every other team in the world, but don't like that we can challenge, rattle and BEAT them. We KNOW they want to run the ball and find broken play ... that is their strength. Telling us to play to THEIR strengths is absolutely ridiculous - nonsense from JK, showing that he is out of touch.
Please don't play like this cause we have to work hard to beat you and move away from our safe space 🤣 Shampies, spot on Armand.
They wanna play their way, we play ours, and the worlds collide making a great contest in the end, whoever comes out tops.
Absolutely!Play to your strength not play on their strength!
yeah, sure, JK's "out of touch"...a bit of a silly comment. Think about it, his full-time job is being a Rugby pundit. He watches analyses and comments on rugby ALL the time. Regardless, it was just his opinion and I bet he echoes most neutrals thoughts. For the majority, attacking rugby is generally more entertaining than defensive. And yes, SA has beaten them once in this Championship, they also beat SA once. They played 6 won 5, SA played 6 won 3.
Is it not "out of touch" then - is it simply arrogance to expect that the game should be played within the limits you set? As far as I can see, they play within the law (as much as any team does) and have scored PLENTY of tries against both the All Blacks and others. If that's his opinion, well then this is mine - I think NZ love sitting pretty at the top, and don't like it when they get beaten. I think alot of the comments from them are criticisms against us (or indeed sometimes other countries) whereas it is seldom that South African commentators/pundits are so harshly critical about our opponents. Needlessly so, in my opinion. So yes, it feels good to put one over on him. Even if it is only 1-1. And I think your stats lesson is just proving my point even more - which is that, being an incredibly successful team, the AB's don't like that South Africa have the ability to beat them. Sure, the stats aren't in our favour, but I'm sure they're better than any other nation's stats against New Zealand. So yes, we have alot of areas to improve in, we need to increase our squads' depth, we have challenges to our provincial sides but for now, we are going to savour this latest result, whether JK thinks our style of play was acceptable or not. Philosophically speaking, of course.
@@armandtoma8124 very true
I like Ruby as part of the panel. She's quite charismatic and she has a great rugby IQ. A fresh face to a sometimes bland panel.
Ruby looks as good with a mic as she is with a football. Go, Ruby
She is so intelligent and knowledgeable about rugby. I wish I could adopt her!
Hmmm, plenty of men to commentate on mens rugby, she should stick to the lasses game.
@@christophercarson6634 Typical Northern hemisphere
@@westsideAUKILANIA large amount of the Irish rugby union pundits are women
Everything the Boks are doing are within the rules of the game. We have different strengths to that of the All Blacks. Why didn't the All Blacks dazzle the crowd with running rugby? I'll tell you why. They weren't given space to just run around and score 5/6 tries. They were met by strong, resolute defence and even dominated in the tackle. The Bok forwards were superior, as they often are and that makes it difficult to get go forward and momentum. Kirwan would love for the Boks to play the run at all cost game and gift them 3 intercept tries in the name of more attractive rugby. The popularity of rugby in SA has grown immensely. We understand the game and we understand our strengths. If Kirwan found a game that was decided in the last three minutes, boring, We'll then, he doesn't understand rugby afterall.
Kirwin understands what Kiwis want to see.
it was boring you sook lolz winning just by forwards wont win rugby is a team sport and at the end of the day you cant beat the all blacks when they making basic errors you wont beat them when there better
@@kaynestrickland3587 well, we could have won and we have recently. It was extremely close. What would you have said had Barrett missed that kick? It's only exciting to you when you can run around and score tries at will, Well we don't allow that. You guys don't like competition.
Watching this 2 years later as a South African 🏆😎🍷
Im pretty impressed with Ruby Tui's astute and insightful observations on the state of the game and how it's played. No offence to any other panel members, but Tui's as good and as engaging to listen to as, Keith Quinn, Phil Gifford and their ilk, whom I've enjiyed listening to for the past 40 years
Agreed. Ruby Tui was great here
Agreed. Sorry to say, but she’s much better than Millsy who often rambles. Hope she becomes a more permanent fixture.
The most boring game for me is when the score board is like 50 - 7 or a 100-0 I normally switch of the TV when it's like 20-0.
how would you know, unless you watched the whole game?
South africa has come back from a 22-0 game why would you turn off?
I agree. A runaway game is boring.
@@lobomorunga1 ,hahaha snapped
@@mikespencer4922 ,that's not their fault the opposition is weak they can't help that but SA can change their boring style nothing's stopping them from doing that
Now we won , all your criticism fed us today thanks
All blacks better step it up! cause man that was a close one 😅 Springboks brought that rivalry back into this game! may the best team win next weekend! 🔥 🇿🇦 🇳🇿
Well said...😏 Go bokke!🇿🇦
Agreed. AB’s were dam lucky. Respect to you SA. Great team and have been for 100 years.
damn we lost! 😆 well done springboks!! The better team won!! 🔥 soo gutted! But hey abs can’t win them all! the Springboks truely are the all blacks number one foe!
Bokke won like the champions they are
@@MrBonolo they sure did fair play to South Africa they deserved their win!
John Kirwan, you make me laugh. We all know that you've have never showed the Boks any respect. South Africans are looking forward to play in the Northern Hemisphere. The best team in the world (?) will soon find themselves isolated. They can then revel in playing the Aussies every second weekend.
The "best" team in the world is overrated. We will definitely thrash them again!
@@joelego5767 ACTUALLY UNDERRATED. NO1 BELIEVES WE ARE THE BEST, EXCEPT THE AFRICANS. THATS WHAT MAKES US CHAMPIONS. OUR MENTALITY
Hopefully we entertained you all with that win tonight 😉
What a great game it was from an Aussie however I don't think you can be happy with 1 good game out of 4
Was great watching you kick penalties all day 👍🏽
@@stevemclean4592 while I don't disagree, after them lions tour, Argentina games, 2 weeks further quarantine, all requiring bio bubbles, I am happy with the the last 2 games.
I can only imagine how difficult it was for the players to pick themselves up for the Australia games. Losing due to combination of apathy, exhaustion vs an Australian team that found their missing ingredient with Coops is not a cause for concern. Not saying Boks would have won both games vs Aus, but probably the first.
Separate note, Australia rugby has made it hard to hate you guys recently you sucked so hard. Glad you guys are back.
@@smoothoperator1862
Here’s an easy suggestion…stop conceding then?
@@prudeuncle lol beat Australia before you start talking 🤣
Is John Kirwan moaning about the Springboks again?
He's right mate the springboks have some great backs let them play 10 man rugby went out of style in the amateur days Fan's want to see entertaining rugby they pay good money to watch or view on TV I steady Eddie played like that in the 6 nation's last season we were rubbish 🏉🏉🏴🤔
@Go on have some How about this: we play to our strengths, you play to yours and let's STFU and enjoy the rugby, how about that?
First is was our bomb squad that had the likes of him moaning and now it is our brand of rugby. People will always have something to say about the Bokke. All antagonists without substance. Can you imagine an Impala inviting and Elaphant to rugby and asking the elephant NOT to use it's strength but run with the ball instead? It is ridiculous! It would all but make the Impala look better than it actually is. AB's are not all that great. They got exposed this weekend. So instead of fixing themselves, they moan and whine about how boring our Boks are.
Everybody should just play THEIR brand of rugby and employ whatever suits their team. End of story.
@Go on have some a little bit of overreacting but i get his points
@@dude9318 Springboks supporter posted a video whinging about Quade Cooper wasting 30s for the winning kick with no time left on the clock........overreacting you say? Only laws matter now not the spirit of how the game is played..........Ok got yah
Love to hear kirwans comments after ABs loss yesterday.. Bring it on big man..
such a doooooooos
Keep writing us off, we LOVE it!
Yep mate!! Some folks are "slow" learners....😆😄
Considering the Boks have played so little rugby these past two years , coupled with CV19, I believe the Boks are playing a style of rugby merely to survive and stay relevant until they get enough game time under their belts.
good point.They have had a year less than everyone else and a choka block itiniery with the lions,played completely rusty.There hasnt been time to develop their game plan till the end of 22.
well this aged like milk in the desert!
As a South African, I appreciate how constructive this panel is in their criticism.
They are NOT they worried about how we play that we will beat them now they trying to drag us to play like them so that they can tear us apart and now the way we play it makes it so difficult for them to beat us.
Not really. When Beauden Barrit was caught moving the ball forward a few metres forward a few years back for a penalty this same crew never tore him apart on Monday for bringing the game into disrepute - in fact it was considered smart. John Kirwan carried on about The Boks gamesmanship on Saturday but has never questioned Sean Fitzpatrick who was the king of doing it weekly. When we complained about that we were laughed at and told to suck it up. Just saying.
@@bunnychowmuncher JK has got it wrong on this occasion, the box kick is a great tactic that the Boks have mastered, the only issue i had was when they had an opportunity to run or hold onto the ball and run the clock down, they didn't.
@@Noone-p2p2x Sometimes in the heat of the moment we can do stupid thing. You often see it in golf where players will go for a Par 5 in two and they put it in the water hazard when they could have laid up or vice versa with being conservative when they could have got an eagle. It happens.
@@Noone-p2p2x - exactly in other words when the Springboks box kick their opponent has GOT to catch the ball then you have to get numbers on the tackle ball or they well turn you over! When the Boks got their target length right in the 2nd half look at the amount of time the ABs failed to take the ball in the air and how many times did their chaser beat Jordie Barrett to the landing zone with more traffic - it put us extreme pressure! The Boks controlled the lineouts forcing the ABs only option is to throw it to the front because anything that went to the back got picked off! Then from set pieces Barrett was throwing face ball passes on a umbrella rush defence and we got caught and made errors on the apex of that umbrella defence! How many times did we conceive turnover possession at the tackle ball and the errors! Here is the main issue - we still have not been able to counter the rush umbrella defence by the Boks!!!! Why are these NOT the main talking points!
In regards to the Boks tactics slowing the game down - guess what they got away with it because the referee allowed it! I remember speaking to a ex-All Black trialist in 1987 and he told me that the best players are the ones who are able to play to the referee! There is no point in us going off at the referee about it - yes she is correct in her analysis but the point is how are the ABs going to counter this if the referee allows it? I thought Savea could have put more pressure on the referee but even then if the referee is not going to listen - what do you do?
I agree with you that the Boks need to look at that attacking zone 30m out from the opponent goal-line! Yes its a great option to have with up & unders but if they could vary their play with some attacking with ball in hand as well posing problems for defences because it then puts the defence in 2 minds - are they going to kick or attack with ball in hand!
hahahha this is priceless.... kiwis complaining how the boks are playing ... hilarious. The ABs are free to do with the ball as you please when you in possession of the ball so go score tries as you do run at the boks! The problem is the boks rattled you guys and the mistakes came ( in the form of handling errors ) Play your game guys and stop worrying about the boks, they playing to their strengths at the moment ( extremely unfit and average players from 12 -14 )
The ABs played worst and still won. Dunno how they do it but they do it. Bokkes won only 1 out of the last 10 encounters
It's so ridiculous!
@@RioGamer think you need to go look at the results again. its:
nz25-24rsa 2017 abs won
nz34-36rsa springboks won
nz32-30rsa abs won
nz16-16rsa draw
nz23-13rsa world cup abs won
nz19-17rsa abs won
nz29-31rsa 2021 springboks won
2 wins and a draw in the last 7, show me any other country that come this close this often to the all blacks avarage is 4/10 which is horrible but still much better than the rest of the tier one nations. the two 50 plus tests in 2016/17 has been erased from my memory and i refuse to talk about it. hahaha
Most other teams used to complain about McCaw's cheating at the breakdown although technically he just knew how much to push depending on who was reffing. Stop moaning and figure out how to beat them like Australia seem to have
Imagine a South African panel complaining that the All Blacks run too much and don't use their forwards enough and accuse them of playing touch rugby. Have New Zealanders considered that the Springboks don't want to play the same style as the All Blacks?
Funny, in yesterday’s game the ABs slowed the game down! Scott Barrett’s injury took an eternity to deal with. Can this please be acknowledged and can analysis of Boks please be balanced. It amazes me how everyone has got their panties in such a bunch 😎
The Springboks kicking game works for us. Everyone thought the ABs would hammer us. But that was not to be. A tight 2 point game.
Yeah but use are world champs so use should of won
1st Australian game was a 2 point game. And their next game was a blow away after they figured the boks out
What matters most is the competitiveness on the field, then the comradery and respect of the players shown after the game. What gets said in youtube comment is irrelevant but we should show same respect.
@@JohnDoe-tc5bc ,pretenders hahaha they have looked anything but world champions and will most likely finish third unworthy of that title
But you lost to a B side playing bad so it didn't work for you and it rarely works for you against the ABs
Of course JK wants the Boks to change, he knows the ABs struggle if they don't
Obviously just because they dont like it doesn't mean it doesn't work
I think JK is wrong, the high kick is a skill very well utilized by the Boks, but I think they need to be more balanced in their approach, knowing when to run with the ball and when to kick is a necessary part of the game, if Boks can find that balance, they will be the best in the world once again.
ABs will adjust to the kick game and improve but regardless of that, I still think Boks can be the best with a balanced approach to their game.
Not at all, because he wants them to change against everyone.
Struggling?,hahaha is that why SA have only beaten NZ 3 times in 11 years?,is that what you call struggling?,hahaha
@@Trajan2401 Do you think they didn't struggle last week?
I don’t know why the Springboks are bothering the ABs so much. They beat them fair and square. They only play twice a year. They don’t compete in SuperRugby anymore. Jeff sounds like an ex girlfriend who is jealous because her ex boyfriend is dating a supermodel and just won the 2019 World Cup and beat the British Lions. Get over it.
@Go on have some.nah.
Fucking boooooring!
An easy route to the final of the RWC and you lost to NZ you beat an average stale Lions side JUST and then got hammered by Australia and lost to NZ again not very impressive at all.
@@Trajan2401 Yeah, a bit of a fake world champion really.
@@stuartwhyman1 ,definitely unworthy of the title they can't back it up like true champions do.
The Springboks have hardly been able to play together in 2 years. They have not been able to change their game plan especially with a new coach and at the end of the day it's about winning games.
Springbok line speed was all over the All Blacks. They have huge physicality and won the collisions and have outstanding backs that match the power and running of the All Black backline. The Boks after many years are starting to get it right again and hit their straps. Which as an Englishman is great to see. The dominance the All Blacks have had since 2010 is over. Springboks keep it simple. If you can beat them with finesse then great well done. We'll all applaud. But you have to match them up front and in the collisions. That is just the way the Boks play and long may that continue. They've crushed England several times, twice in the World Cup final even after an excellent England performance put the All Blacks to the sword in the last World Cup. I thought the All Blacks might have beat the Boks had you won that Semi Final. I now think you might have gone down by a larger margin than they crushed England
Rest of the world needs to step up like the Irish. It is also great to see the French starting to find their old menace and allure and ability to crush anyone anywhere on any day. There are areas of the game that need attention and the scrum is one of them although the game yesterday had lots of solid scrummages and real competition. The IRB need to get things right but if even Scotland now have a competitive side we could be in for a golden era of international Rugby and that is always the most important for me. The All Blacks are fine. You've come up against an excellent French and the best Irish team ever and you're struggling in South Africa. That's not a crisis it is just Rugby. You'll be fine. I still put you second or third favourites for the World Cup next year
Respect to you from a Bok supporter. Someone willing to state the obvious. How life works and as a sportsman be prepared to "take it on the chin" on a bad day. The wheel always turns and yes, the game is in an excellent place at the moment. Agree totally.
Why must the Boks play in your hands? We rather think that A B are scared of the way the Boks are playing.
I honestly don't think it's that effective against the abs. They were gifted 7 points by George bridge and all blacks made so many handling errors when it was just ball in hand that kept them in the game. All blacks turned down easy points off penalties and were too slow in adjusting their lineout. Nevermind the fact that three of our best players in mounga, smith and whitelock arent playing.
The handling errors and George Bridge error was caused by pressure.
The style of play by all teams changes (some more than others) at the World Cups and is definitely built around defense. I stand corrected but the statistics in World cups show that the team who has less possession wins games ?
@@brettg4784 I disagree honeslty. The all blacks are known for their outstanding ball-handling skills and flat passes in tight spaces many of their drop balls came before the contact which was just uncharacteristic of a typical all blacks team. And bridge should catch that ball 99 times out of 100. An uncontested box kick to an all blacks winger with one chaser (who was really jogging) on the try line should never be droped cold the boks were extemely lucky to get that try and yet it was the only try they could generate.
I think that George Bridge drop was a fluke. He's drifting back to catch the high ball and it's moving on him. at the very last second he cleared the shadow of the stadium and probably couldn't see anything. As coffeine said, that was far from a high pressure situation like the rest of them were. But, at the same time that is the nature of the high ball. You can't predict that any one kick will succeed but statistically 3 of 10 will. So you keep chucking in shots on goal.
@@coffeine1924 No certainly the AB's as have a general all round passing game, but dropping balls before contact can be from looking up to see what missile is coming to smash you.
No doubt the ball was swirling but any kick is any as effective as its chasers !
Each team has there own strengths and the AB's and their supporters trying to get everyone to play a style like theirs when its not the strength of others is just a ploy to get them to try take them on at the AB's style
@@brettg4784 ,no they weren't SA were only responsible for some of the errors but the ABs were their own worst enemies with so many UNFORCED errors and SA try was not pressure at all Bridge just misjudged the catch he had all the time in the world no real pressure on him
😂😂 Last laugh is on you guys.... what happened today?
Loved the way we rattled the all blacks, hated the lack of ambition with ball in hand.
Had the Boks won the game you probably wouldn't have cared.
@@fomofud9479 I would have, we need to be physical and box kick etc, but also able to use the backing and score tries, will be very dangerous and not one dimensional.
@@fido5067 hate to break it to you mate but the Boks have been one dimensional since 1891 and yet they have dominated for longer periods than even the AB's and been more successful at RWC's than any other side in the world including the AB's.
@@fomofud9479 this is true, we rarely have decent centre's or a fly half that can run a bit, our current centre's can play.a bit.and so they should.
@@fomofud9479 more successful than the ABs in the World Cup?
ABs - first World Cup winners
ABs - first to win 3 world cups
ABs - first to win back to back world cups (2011-2015)
But let’s remove the World Cup from the conversation.
Boks longest win streak - 6
AB’s longest win streak - 8
I’m not gonna get too deep into facts but the stats speak for itself
Must the boks be te only ones that must score try s i thought their was 2 teams in the game with more than 50% ball position so the game can only be boring if all play the same way
You're right mate. Boks and ABs figured each other out and kept on doing the same thing. ABs spread the ball wide, they get shut down boks turn the ball over. Boks make a break get up to the ABs half. Boks kick it away ABs recover the ball. Then repeat process until either team makes a mistake or it's full time. The ABs we're pulled into playing boks footy whether they liked it or not. This is why I think that the boks aren't going to change much. But that's the unpredictability the boks have in their arsenal. Use it fellow rivals ✌️ shake things up, what more is their to lose 🤷👍
facts
Would you rather see 57-0 or would you rather see an arm wrestle?
We tried an expansive game under Coetzee and it did not work. Some people have very short memories.
I mean, I think one team or another can dictate how the game is played though. The ABs can't run it out of their 22 every single time, they also have to play for territory and balance the kicks from hand as well, or else they end up pinned in their own half the whole game and are doing exactly what SA want them to do. The Boks can apply pressure in many ways to determine the way the game plays out, and if they want to grind out a game that's much easier than the ABs wanting to play free-flowing. Kind of a rock-paper-scissors equation, if you get my meaning.
All blacks win with kick in last minute and complaining about opposition style not playing to there liking ... New Zealand arrogance ??!!
Very negative game mindset? Bullshit! Thwse people would not have complained if they were not scared of the boks. Arrogant wussies
Everyone uses 'Springboks' to attract viewership these days
It seems unlikely the AB's will make the same mistakes two games in a row. I think that the AB's also adapt better and are better second time around. I think that it is easier to practice being more clinical in your approach to a rush defense than it is to perfect that kind of defense. The Bok's have clearly perfected the rush defense already. The AB defense was pretty good even though their attack lacked some precision. The question for the Bok's, is how do we beat the AB's. The AB's, will be concentrating on being clinical. This formula has worked well for the AB's in the past. I think it will be another close game, and the team that uses every opportunity with the ball, to attack with ball in hand, will win. Both will defend well, but being able to defend at a high level and still attack at every opportunity will separate the teams. Bok's once again serve notice on NZ, and those that thought that they had lost their Mojo.
Good note. I think the AB's will be much better and see a score-line of 10 points difference (if not more) for the AB's. The Boks are going to be tested on fitness and mental strength as they have one foot on the plane back home for a deserved rest (albeit they most likely would have lost every game on tour). I am hoping to eat massive Humble Pie should this not be the case.
@@markdaws9667 how do you like your pie. Cause i like to serve it ICE COLD😁🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦😎
Id like to hear what they have to say after today
JK is the Simon Cowell of Rugby - biggest 'Drama Queen' of all.
The All blacks ran in 4 plus tries against every team they have played against this year. Then the springboks comes along and limit them. How is that the fault of the springboks???
4 tries is on the cards next time the ABs are unlikely to play that bad again and they'll have a better team SA are in trouble especially if the ref does his job and stops them from slowing the game down
What if the All Blacks win again and don't score 4 tries will the Boks be pleased they lost, will it prove their strategy works? Since when did saffas start treating close loses like wins? I'm amused by some of these comments
It was proven already ..WC + B&I lions in the bag ...However I will admit it is as frustrating for the bok fans to watch as well . Do remember boks lost on Saturday in the last 4 minutes of the match due to decision making and not game plan .What people are asking for is ridiculous. Imagine your opponent telling you how not to play ffs.
@@ebrj5188You're only as good as your last game mate, we can prove that strategy won't work against the ABs if we are going off the 5, 10 or even 20 games played, besides that everyone has an opinion they're like arseholes we all got one. But does that mean if i tell you to go fly a kite are you going to do it? probably not so do you will do us. Don't be quick to jump on JK remember bokke have Mark Keohane and he's worst😛
@@ebrj5188 ,not really SA had an easy route to the final and lost to NZ you beat an average stale Lions side JUST you got hammered by Australia and lost to NZ AGAIN it only works against average sides rarely against NZ in fact only 3 wins in 11 years says it all
The goal is to win not to entertain if you not like our style its your version leave our style and play your entertaining game we are in it to win it POINT!!!!!😊
What bothers me, and should bother other followers of the game, the ref was in his element, he did nothing to prohibit these obtrusive ugly stoppages, must be a northern rugby thing, we also need a team Captain who will protest vigorously to the ref over these frequent boring stoppages, looking at you Ardie.
Yeah that's so true man, & yes agree with you there Ardie needed to step up & say something not just stand there and accept what the Boks were doing, but think he was too over rawed by the occasion, if it was McCaw he would have made sure to get in the refs ear & make sure he's officiating the game in a positive manner not allowing these dirty tactics to happen, even though we won the Boks absolutely ruined this game for me...
Well it is only his second test as captain. I’m sure he would’ve have a word with the coaching staff about certain situations during that game. He’ll get better.
That ref was shit house. Counted at least 3 times he got in the road of the ABs attacking play …repeat shit house!!!
I hear ya get rid of Ardie as cap
Nothing to do with Northern Rugby! All the new laws like the TMO etc were introduced in Super Rugby before anywhere else! as demanded by the SANZAR Unions! Get your facts right before you embarrass yourself even more son!
4X WINNERS and Back 2 Back baby! The most exciting World Cup EVER!🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂🍾🍾🏉🏉😘😘😘
Jealousy gets you nowhere 😆
variety is the spice of life
Well that's a no brainer.
Well SA have no variety
You have to admit tho, not many anticipated such a close score. As for variety, the Boks haven't quite put it together, yet. They may get beaten next week but they have a solid squad going forward. Including the Wallabies.
@@nepiahemopo1702 touche brother
@@patrickharrison871 its chilled we won before with it
Hey bro.....why do nz lose all their games against this less "superior" style of rugby????
What do you mean NZ have an overwhelming record against SA so no it's SA and their boring style that lose most of the time.
Duane had to talk to the ref, because every call in the air was unfair.
I think we have a good understanding of that game plan to work for 80% of the game. What I do not understand is getting close to the AB 22 and then kicking the ball. I understand it's a territory game, but we have won the territory, we are in an attacking position, let's attack, not defend in an attacking space.
We could have won if we played when we had the ball approaching the 22. Kicking the ball away in those positions will lose you the game, and it did.
Agreed. And us NZ supporters should all be worried. These Boks can play Rugby. The Boks keep the ball in hand in our 22, and the AB’s lose convincingly imo. The fact they made few mistakes compared to our AB’s seems to be going unnoticed by many.
@@Pohara68. The thing about the ABs is that, unlike the Boks, they adapt well over games. This next game I'm worried for Boks. ABs will iron out those issues and come back harder, faster and more decisive. Boks better be far more clinical at the 22 or it's going to be a long day at the office. Much respect mate. Cheers.
@@nickybabalas Taking my sons to the game. As a leader and dominant player, Kolisi stands alone on the world stage. Can’t wait to see Duane and Eben with my own eyes. Yeah we have some amazing backs in NZ, but that whole Bok pack are monsters. In a war of attrition, thats the pack I want. Take that pack up to the Northern Hemisphere, with the AB backline along with Kerevi and Kellaway, and its a massacre. Hoping for a great match. Cheers mate.
@@Pohara68. enjoy the match with your boys. 🍻
Boggles my mind too.
John Kirwan you never told Grant Fox to stop kicking the ball. No flyhalf in the world kicked more than Grant Fox and Andrew Merthens. All you did JK was to chase the kick.
Fortunately not all sides play the same style which keeps it interesting!
At least they don't need Bryce Lawrence to win a world cup.
The Springboks are on the right track,:the Kiwis are complaining.
I believe the Boks are on a good path. Strategy wise though, box kicking when in the ABz 22 is crazy to me. Better decisions need to be made in those key areas of the field
@@westsideAUKILANI i think they kicked way too much .But they would win their matches if it wasn't for a few mistakes
@@dude9318 definitely bro. This weekends game will be interesting on how both teams approach.
@@dude9318 just wait till the all blacks stop the mistakes they made that week
@@dude9318 Credit to the boks for frustrating the ABs but they really stuffed up a golden opportunity to win that game against the ABs. Damn that must of hurt😜
If you're a Bok then it is very exciting! The crowd went wild! It was boring if you're a Kiwi. HA HA!
The Boks kick and hope game plan with the slowing down play are all tactics to nullify the ABs strike power, yes they make their games boring to watch but its the only way they know how to compete. They are the most boring side to watch.
Its nothing new. We shouldn't worry too much about what they're doing and look at our mistakes we made.
That is a stupid take dude.
Well it still works
@@frankvandermerwe1487 its pretty much how the Boks play.....kick and hope the opposition make a mistake and slow the game down by faking injuries.
@@bFORCe2003 uh huh, uh huh
it wasn't boring celebrating a 4th WC victory 🙂
Stopping the AB's to love what they do is whats required to beat them, that's rugby. Remember, no match is ever the same.
Yeas the Boks rattled and thwarted the AB's, but they couldnt step up and win. Very even match.
The rest of the world on whether John Kirwen on UA-cam is spoiling rugby for fans: Yes!
Can't wait to hear JK this week...
They had the same style at the last world cup and it didn't ruin the experience. When it's done well, games can still be exciting, it's when it's well defended that it can get boring (especially seeing as the Boks have great defence as well)
Please JK. Run the ball when you get the ball. Nobody stops you from running the ball.
I never thought the day would come that NZ would bring out the sour grapes 🍇
Suck it up and find a way
As an England supporter we try different styles but alqays go back to our original style under pressure some times it works sometimes it doesn't
I would love England to play a Harlequins style of play of the bat but we just don't seem to click at it
SA are just better at it at the moment
But defenses adapt and the game changes , a good coach should be able to change a team dynamics especially with the players NZ have
Everytime John Kirwan speaks he ruins rugby.
Well he speaks the truth.
@@api9816 He's so biased and only criticises the Springboks when they triumph
@@api9816 does he?
@@johanels7615 a two point loss is a triumph? Boks are pretty happy with their close defeats against All Blacks and Wallabies. Kind of sad for the world champions. I'm from the Northern Hemisphere and the Lions series was atrocious and the recent Bok Matches are hard to watch because they are so boring
@@wadeserjeantson5183 The two point loss was alot closer than many exacted and its because they countered the ABs high tempo
meanwhile back in South Africa ... 🏆🏆🏆🏆
If Boks play boring rugby then the opposition must razzle dazzle the spectators with running rugby. Not to do so is a cop out. I fail to see how the Boks style rugby can prevent the AB's from running the length of the field with slick passing and scoring under the posts. Do it!
And a bit of Forward passes here and there
@Go on have some How does strolling to line outs, discussions with the ref prevent AB's from starting a line move in their own 22 and running the length of the field with typical AB passing and support play and scoring beneath the posts? I fail to see how Bok 'tactics' will prevent this. If by some reason it does prevent this then all power to the Boks. Should the Boks play rugby that gifts play to the AB's strength? No. The AB's must demonstrate their traditional skills and not say "The Boks are preventing us playing to our strengths" Well hello!
Why dont we develop our game to overcome their style ??????? Has anyone asked that question ? John
Yea, shows you what you know. This aged like a old piece of cheese left out in the sun. Next time boys
Nice to know they are chowing some humble pie right about now
Expected this from British media
This isn't British media.
@@RugbyPass I know, I said I expected this from the British media (and not NZ per se :)
It's just a tactic, people better stop moaning. The same way Jose Mourinho made parking the bus popular in football to win the uefa. Is it boring to park the bus? Yes, but it works very well
Sorry we didn’t conform to your expectations, may we long continue
As a Bok supporter I actually agree with this sentiment. The negative style of rugby… small “physio” injuries, slowing ball down, taking 100 years to form a line out, kicking away possession… ruining the great game we call rugby.
They kicked away possession because there was a high chance the ABs would fumble it?
The only negative thing is your attitude..
@@LB_die_Kaapie I'm just tired of everyone having a go at them dude
Thank you, about time we have an honest Saffa supporter who's gonna tell it like it is & not make up bs to suit his ego like many in this thread....🤦♂️
It’s true what the panel is saying in reference to slowing play down. England and Ireland are good at it. The point is that’s not there fault but the officials who are meant to control the game. The point is we were good enough to handle the pressure.
Well done SA on a brilliant game.
Come All Black you got this.
Has rugby really become so one dimensional that we we can only appreciate one style of play. I watch rugby because it of all its complexities compared to other sports. Can we not celebrate the Springboks for bringing a new dimension to the game? The Springboks are bringing something different and it interests me to see how teams cope with this. Why do we have ex All blacks speaking about our game as though it is going to stangnate when we all know that it is always evolving. ABs will adapt, Boks will adapt, and the rivalry will continue. Rugby will always evolve and teams will always be developing. I understand that AB supporters want to see running rugby, but what interests me is seeing how teams evolve from being sucked into playing the boks style of play and where the game will go from there. Do our ex ABs really think that this is a connundrum that can't be solved and that this is just how its going to be forever. I am a mathematician with a handfull of games in my early scholling career to draw experience from. If I can realize this we should expect better commentary from ex ABs. Shout out to fresh perspectives and exploring new dimsions of the game. Seeing everybody try to play in the same way and hearing everybody say the same things is not why I watch rugby. lol I came here to get an idea of how the ABs gameplan would develop from here. But they are just repeating what is being said on every other channel. Should we not expect more from ex ABs? We have heard this before.
I don't think it is necessarily bad that they (ex ABs) can't provide a desirable answer to counteract this style of play, the verdict is still not yet out on how one can counteract this 'new' brand of rugby. Is there even a good "running rugby" refutation to contestable high balls and pressure defenses? Doesn't seem like it (beyond catching high balls and nitpicking defensive schema with ball in hand...which is not unique to this style of play). There's also the fact that it is a very boring viewing experience (not just for AB supporters).
Hi John. What do you have to say now. All Blacks are not so good. Go mighty Boks. World Cup Champions and no. 1 team in the world
what is actually more annoying than springbocks style of play is the ongoing useless discussion. bottom line is that south africa is very effective and was very close to beating the all blacks. it was one or two stupid kicking away the ball in the last 5 minutes and we would have a different winner. all backs simply were extremely lucky and probably didnt even deserve to win. as a matter of fact the quality of play was awful mostly due to the awful handling and mistakes from new zealand. also be careful what you wish for: if the springbocks find a balance between their current game plan and running rugby with their very dangerous wings/backs a la kolbe they may well be the biggest force in rugby!
Their record in the last 10 meeting would say otherwise. 10:1 THe most boring top tier team out there.
Very close is not good enuf
@@RioGamer that is right. Just wanted to comment as a clueless person from a non-rugb-playing country loving the game..
@@stuartwhyman1 may be and fair point. it is still not about being atractive or boring but effective and successful..
@@stuartwhyman1 - ...."Their record in the last 10 meeting would say otherwise. 10:1 THe most boring top tier team out there"....
You completely miss the point! We - the ABs - were very average vs the Boks due to the Boks game plan! They controlled us in the lineouts, they controlled us in the rolling mauls, the referee dealt to us on the penalty count with the scrums - though incorrect penalties - our attack got nailed behind the advantage line by the Boks umbrella rush defence and once they got their target length right on the box kicks in the 2nd half the ABs loss the aerial battle there and the ABs got turned over like french toast at the tackle ball!
And that's the best comment you can come up with - lol delusional!
Springboks outsmarted the All Blacks. Again!
Omw...trash talking kings...
As a springbok supporter i did not support the shitty kicking gameplan, but it almost worked and believe me it was also frustrating me.
Shows you the boks can have different gameplans and still cause upsets. Would be nice to hear what this panel have to say about yesterdays game...
Tons of poor ref decisions that always favours the ABs. The scoreboard should have been much bigger for the boks, but i bet for you blokes it doesnt matter.
The 3 losses for us is a good learning curve. When we bring our A game NO TEAM STANDS A CHANCE .
Watching this show was a serious joke...m
WE ARE YOUR BIGGEST RIVALS. ACCEPTANCE IS KEY.
I'm glad New Zealand finally answered the question, how do you play against such a boring South African game? Answer: Just lose 26-10.
This aged like 10 month old milk
John Kirwan is so right, it was so boring and it reduce people from watching and playing the game. There were so many breakdown that you need the ambulance to stand by every 5 minutes to check on the Springboks if they were breathing. There was lack of vision to run the ball, this has been eliminated from the SA side. The All Blacks need to hold on to the ball to mall and drive then run it to score. Only the All Blacks can be innovative and can come up with ways to counter rush defense.
NEWS FLASH! The aim of a professional rugby player is to win. Not attract people. Not put on a nice show. Win. End of story
@@devongarvie6261 Exactly right and the same applies to other sports like Cricket, soccer etc. Its the result that counts. Boks get to world number one and win the world cup and now the Kiwis are pissed off. The All Blacks need to counter this and guys like JK need to stop winging.
the 35-7 must have been JUST as boring right🤣get over yourself mate
If a team plays to their strengths don't knock it . All rugby teams play to their particular strengths . No team is going to play to the dictates of the opposition or the commentators and loose just to ' play attractive rugby ' for spectators . Nobody remembers the attractive play when the team looses .
I’m just here for the ridiculous accents 🤣🤣🤣
Truly embarrassing how they cry about not having an answer to the bokke's game plan. 3 qaurters of the possession and hardly any points to show for it.
More embarrassing losing to Wallabies twice after saying their first win was a fluke
@@sublimeranter4812 no what's embarrassing is the ABs losing to a team they call boring and that finished third
Winning is winning JK. Stop complaining.
10 months later... hows 5th place guys
Kirwin, the Kearns of NZ
As a South African have to agree we have the best backs ever, what a waste by kicking to death.