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You realize he has affiliate links and directly profits from reviews, right? There is a reason he doesnt tell you that you can buy these chairs from an authorized dealer for 30-50% off.
And yet I said the 1.0 was a HUGE let down (I paid full price for that chair too), and talk about many of the negatives of the v2.0 in this video…I’m either the worst salesman ever, or I’m telling the truth at the cost of sales + the cost of the chair. I’d love to hear your business model on providing free high quality reviews of products without affiliate links! My email is in the description (you’ll also find an explicit statement that my links are affiliate links…since you seem to imply I’m being disahnest about that as well) As for your point about AD, gaming line is not available through AD, and I’ve heard rumors about HM saying warranty for chairs bought at AD must now be done through AD, which means your customer service experience is subject to whether the AD is good or bad. If you buy online, you get direct access to HM and their top notch customer service
@SeriousPeaches I can tell you off of the top of my head that authorized dealers often times don't offer any kind of return policy. That's why I avoided them when picking my chair, and I can't speak for him, but that could be why he doesn't talk about it Mind you though, he mention the possibility of used chairs anyways, so I really doubt it's some big conspiracy
Average height for a male in the USA is over 5'9". Yet somehow these office chair people still rarely ever make chairs that work okay for taller people. I believe that 5'10" is too tall for this chair. I'm 5'11" and I constantly run into comfort issues with high end office chairs, it's really crazy. They say they make chairs to cover 80% of people, but they don't. I'm glad you do have specific videos for taller and no-so-tall recommendations. Thumbs up!
average male height in the USA is increasing, but the average company in the USA is penny pinching too hard to make chairs for taller people. oh, how could these poor executives live without such massive compensation?
Remember that torso length is also really important; some people might be 6'3 and have super long legs and torso of a 5'9 person, some are completely opposite
Happy with my Herman Miller Embody x Logitech Gaming Chair. From a person who sits in front of a Desktop Computer for 8-16 hrs a day, it's super comfortable. My previous was a Razer X Genshin Chair and the synthetic leather wore out after 2 years. With Herman Miller, I am happy with their 12 yr warranty
@@azaeldrmI have one too , absolutely love it , everytime I sit in it it feels as good as the first time . Love adjustability too . And you really don’t need a headrest with it in my opinion, I thought I’d want one , but turns out it works like they say .
@@azaeldrmI have it and bought the atlas headrest. It's nice and kind of completesc the look of the chair I think. But I also don't think it's necessary now that I have it, unless you fully recline in the chair for extended periods. Plus I think it really works best if you are a little taller than me; I'm 173cm.
Hey bud, just wanted to leave a comment and say you have really well done reviews and I love the detail and thought that goes into them you earned a sub and like. Keep it up!
I could feel the gap you described in the gesture chair and I had to return it due to that fact. That was 3-4 years ago and never has anyone had that problem in the review until this one. Keep up the good work :)
I saved up for an Embody and am happy AF. Also have a Titan chair and think both are kings in their price ranges respectively ❤ I sit (sadly) for at least 12 hours a day so a good chair is extremely important to me and both of these are at the top of my list.
I just got the Embody.. and it's super uncomfortable for me.. I have looong legs, so there is a 3-4 inches between the chair and my knee. The lumpar support hits me on my tail bone.. sadly going to return it, trying to find a better alternative.
@@frostyflakes581 ok don’t do that. Try it for 90 days or till ur return policy allows. I almost returned mine. I started out with that titan…and I still enjoy it. But ur butt needs time to adjust. I too have the longest femurs 🦴 imaginable and suffer the same problem. It’s the titan or the embody for me. Try the titan next as well. I love both chairs but the tilt of the embody is just amazing. Good luck! Every one is unique so go with what your body tells u!
So, the Leap V2 apparently is getting a headrest mod! If you can, please check it out. I got the Leap V2 under your recc, but i realized I really wanted a head rest. This could be such a good mod for such an affordable chair.
David Crandall and I already spoke! As soon as they’re ready to share their prototype for me to check out, they will! And I’ll be looking for everyone’s feedback to submit back to them!
I have an Embody, a Leap and a Humanscale Freedom and overall the Leap is the best chair but the Freedom has the best headrest. If I could get a Leap with a headrest like the Freedom that would be amazing, a Leap with the Freedom headrest and Gesture arms would be an elite chair, possibly the best out there.
@@Ahnestly I generally love mine but the build quality isn't as good as Herman Miller or Steelcase or Haworth and the arms need to come up one more notch but other than that it's pretty cool. When I sit in my Leap the quality of the fabric and padding is noticeably better than the Freedom. The Freedom is more like a lightweight sports car and the Leap is like a Mercedes sedan. LOL
@@AhnestlyHey Dan I’m really curious how your friend feels this way. I’m 6’1” and I just tried one out and the headrest was at shoulder level at the highest setting! It seems like it can’t be a good fit for someone of my height
I feel like headrest issue could be easily solved with some sort of lock system when you push it backwards, aka. lean on it. And have adjustment work by pulling it slightly towards front or not pushing at all. Something like that.
at 5:05 you again made me feel so much better for having returned my Vantum and getting an Embody. My biggest complaint, and it was a deal breaker, was the horrible seat depth and that feeling of your ass squishing out the back if you scooch back all the way. Even in 2.0 they didn't fix that? Sad...
@@RestoranLaguna-kh4xx I love my Embody more than I've ever loved a piece of furniture in my life. Incredible chair, and I've owned a Vantum and an Aeron.
Not sure I would want anything other than the tried and true 30 year old classic Aeron. You can buy them on the secondary market used or refurbished and spare parts for them are readily available.
Great to see them make changes to their chair, I'd like to see them periodically make changes/upgrades to the chair and put it up for sale as it does. Also, would love to hear an update about your unfortunate instead per the last video :|
👍Nice video! There are so many Vantum competitors now day from big brands. Will you have a chance to review them? Such as the Hbada E3 Pro and Sihoo C300 Pro. Both look and feel better than Vantum at a lower price.
After getting a Patra Libra (that has all the features you'd want) for $350 while in Korea, it's hard to look at an "just ok" chair like this for $800 and feel good about getting one.
My family worked for Herman Miller when they were located in Roseville ca. I swear every employee gets a bad ass Herman Miller chair at some point while working there. We had like 10 in our house all free😂😂
Great video, thank you! The only confusion I got is when 5:35 you made a gesture around your neck while saying "if you are up to 5'10" got me thinking that you are around 6 but then you mentioned later than you are 5'6 and I was like whaaat :D
I love your reviews man, I watched them all this week I think haha. Not sure if you will read me but I'd love your advice... I currently have a HM Sayl with lumbar support and I was considering upgrading to the Aeron or the Cosm, mainly to consider getting a headrest (Atlas). I went yesterday to a store and tried them both and came back not liking either. The Cosm not having lumbar support is a killer for me, too soft on your back, not ideal for long hours... The Aeron maybe slightly too rigid and just feels outdated with so many mechanisms. Do you think I should consider the Embody now? Ideally I'd keep to mesh chairs only, but after seeing your reviews I am curious. Ty in advance :)
Tbh if I cant sit criss cross apple sauce in my chair and it doesnt have arm rests I can not justify spending 1k on any chair. (Talking ab the sail here) But it also looks like I can't sit the way I want in this chair. Idky but that's just how I've gamed as a kid and will continue to do so. I'm comfortable and I feel like I can lock in that way lmao.
Is the lumbar support overall still the same as the first version? Excluding the knob change. Does it still feel like low quality plastic barely supporting your back?
I left this part out of the video bc it felt like I was going too long, but I think only reason they changed it was bc they were losing too much money lol. My friend visited HM HQ and they sell used chairs in their store area. Most chairs were Vantum’s with a busted headrest.
Hello! First of all, great video I really appreciate the honesty and transparency. I have a doubt, how can I know if the chair is the 2.0 version? Because on the official Herman Miller website it only says "VANTUM GAMING CHAIR" and I don't see any 2.0 label. Thanks!
Hey! As mentioned in the video, they discontinued the 1.0. Any chair sold on their site is the 2.0. If you REALLY want to be sure, get a color that isn’t black or white, as the 1.0 only came in black or white. If you decide to pick up, please consider using my link when you purchase! It helps the channel a LOT!
If you’re referring to dusting, I can’t speak to the Aeron; however, I found some success using the Magic Brush by Line Phono to dust my Sayl since it can easily get into the several small holes in its back.
Is it worth getting if you don't like the Embody? I got an Embody during the holiday sale last year and I just don't love it. I wanted to return it but "give it a chance" got me and I passed the return window. This seems ok, but I'm a little concerned with the seat pan depth. I also don't like aggressive lumbar but this seems somewhat adjustable.
5’ 11” and big headrest user here thanks for the save on this one, any recommendations for >5’11” that don’t have the hanging butt and headrest problem?
If you can bring your budget up, def recommend the embody with an atlas headrest. That, or the gaming Xbox fern (the other versions had butt hang from my testing) with atlas headrest. I’ve got videos on both and both are currently on sale - please consider using my links if you find my videos helpful / useful!!
tell me, is that 2.0 now on the website, I mean they removed the old one, so if I order now at this summer discount, I'll get what you just presented... your opinion, is embody much better than that
hi Ahnestly, can you make a video on best monitor arms ? Please, my monitor Wobbly a lot when I am typing, can you suggest best of the best in the market.
I thought Herman Miller's design philosophy was that a well designed chair does not need a head rest? Should I conclude that, since the Vantum has a head rest, it's not a well designed chair? Maybe you're not really supposed to buy a Vantum? Maybe you're just supposed to let them upsell you to an Embody, which is the greatest chair ever produced?
I have always wanted a Aeron chair... I practically live in my chair while programming all day. But I only want one because everyone says they're awesome for computer users that spend hours at a time sitting down. My problem is that I'm cheap. The most expensive chair I have ever purchased was around $275 for a really horrible 'gamer chair' that I despise. It's cheap, falling apart after 4 years, and yea... It was good when it was new but it exponentially has gotten worse over the years. Almost in the market for a replacement.
I don't see the headrest going down as a problem. If you tilt back the headrest is going to, imo, a more natural position in your neck. You don't even have to do it yourself. That's genius IF it was intentional.....
I think im gonna stay with my titan xl from secretlabs for now... I may consider the embody but is way too expensive and I dont know if it suits me (1.83m and big back)
Sadly the headrest and the seat itself is still dealbreakears. For the same money I can instead find a real 24/7 operator chair that is made of steel and got lockable headrest. Also comes with a really thick and durable seat made for up to 210 cm tall and 200 kilogram persons lol.
That’s because it is. Most “gaming chairs” are mad uncomfortable and just… suck. I’d rather get a Haworth Fern for just about the same price, but _WAY_ better
Herman Miller makes some of the legitimately most ergonomic chairs on the market. Millions dumped into body science and ergonomic studies. I still wouldn't buy this chair, but the Aeron or Embody are some of the best chairs you can buy for your own health ever made. I've got an Embody that's about 6 years old now. It's going to last me a lifetime.
i really dont understand.. i mean , call me extra for that, but why dont have a fixing in place knob for the headrest? i mean, okay its adjustable, but honestly, how many times you adjust the headrest for your own use? well? so i would say it needs a tension based fixing thing. i mean you sit down you adjust the headrest for the optimal position, you get out of the chair and us the knob or something else whatever they come up with to fix the position..
I made a comment on your first video, apologies for this one here, I am still trying to remove the headrest from my chair, if I could get some help, that would be amazing
Embody. Fiveever. It’s currently on sale - please consider using my link if you decide to pick up!! (May be worth watching my gaming vs non gaming embody comparison video first!)
I paid SOOOo much for my chair. But I have back issues and wanted the best...... well this ain't it. I had to have a chair custom made and sold mine on craigslist taking a massive hit. All in all It could be the best chair money can buy. But I can not make that judgement. It is in fact made very well. but that's all the vaild feed back I can give.
After owning and or using several Herman Miller chairs I have determined they really don't make the best chairs. The Embody never grew on me and the Aeron is trash and none of the others I even want to buy, even the Eames soft pad wasn't that good when I tried it out. Steelcase and Haworth chairs are much better.
Hard disagree. Nobody does a better mesh than HM. The embody manages to do a cloth chair that mimics the bouncing properties of a mesh chair although it creaks quite a bit. Haworth has some of the WORST fabrics on their seat pan. I have no idea why they do this. Steel cases chairs are great but the lack of a rocking seat pan makes leaning back feel a bit awkward if you've sat in an HM. This is my experience owning both Aerons, mirra , sayl (shockingly conmfortable), embody (current chair), Contessa, leap v1 and 2, gesture, Very, zody, and the fern.
@@godyamit Mesh is trash. I just replaced my Embody with a Humanscale Freedom but I am looking for an Ekornes Stressless office chair or a Gunlocke Washington. I have a Haworth Improv HE from the 90's and the fabric is amazing, the chair looks new and it is still so comfortable. I hated my Haworth Fern but the leather was top notch. I still love my Leap, just wish it had a higher back or headrest but it feels great when you move back and forth and the fabric is the best out of anyone and the seat very comfortable. The Leap is my go to recommendation for someone that doesn't know much about chairs but wants a nice one.
@@venom5809 almost forgot about humanscale. Take care of the fabric if you didn't get leather. They glue it to the foam so once it separates it looks like loose skin and you're never repairing it
@@godyamit Mine is fabric but I am thinking of buying the leather panels off eBay and swapping them out. I think a gel seat would be better than the standard seat now.
Hello @Ahnestly I'm having trouble finding a chair suited to me, I'm 6'4 275lbs, I live in the UK. I'm currently sitting in a SIHOO ergo chair made out of mesh, far too small for me and I now know I hate mesh, my previous chair was the AKRacing Master XL Office, only issue with that I didn't feel like the back was supportive enough as I like to sit all the way back in the seat and slightly lean forward, I often sit in my chair for 10+ hours a day, please could you help me.
@@Ahnestly I tried out my brothers Embody and I really like it, I've seen the steelcase and Dave doesn't look so comfortable and it says he's 6'4. The lumbar is also very aggressive I have tried out a similarly designed chair I didn't like that. Thanks for the suggestion and guidance though, I completely forgot I could try out this chair lol
6'4 is a unique beast. At your weight, I always recommend a higher end brand to ensure the chair will last. Steelcase Gesture, Gaming Fern (XBox one preferred because you don't feel a seat gap when you extend the seat out), and possibly the Herman Miller Gaming Embody (this is a hit or miss due to the curved shoulders on the backrest). There's also the possibility of going with a racing style gaming chair just because of your height (no other chair can cover that amount of back). I really like the Andaseat Kaiser 3 (they're going to send me a v4 to review when they get it in my size) and the Secretlab Titan Evo 2022 chairs. I'd start with Steelcase/Haworth because of their great return policies. Then if those don't work, the other options because returning them costs a fee/requires more work. Hope this helps! If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
What if I'm exactly 5'10", and just lay back on the headrest? Lol 🤣🤷♂. I'm looking at this chair kinda hard because the price is great for what you get (especially now that they've improved the chair), and I need a new chair because my current one's seat cushion is at its end of life, but can't spend over a grand for the more commonly recommended chairs like the Aeron, Embody, Fern, Leap, Gesture, etc.
ever consider going used? Check out my videos on Crandall Office. They are an AWESOME company and actually refurb/clean chairs unlike most of these companies that just ship you whatever they found from an office dump. They also warranty their chairs for 12 years. They sell the classic Aerons with an Atlas Headrest for under $1k. Steelcase Gesture w/headrest can be just under $1k. If you're OK waiting for a headrest for the Leap v2, an Atlas headrest solution for it should be coming out in a few months (timeline unknown, but def coming). And if you decide to pick up, please consider using my link for them! Helps the channel a LOT!
Ah I should have been more clear. Price at release: $1,000 6 mo later: permanently dropped to $800 Now: released v 2.0 and raised the price to $900 There’s currently a sale that makes the price $716 (see my links in the description!)
Gonna be honest... this chair doesn't look very comfortable. Like, I have a DX Racer, and a lot of people complain about those chairs... but I've always thought it was very comfortable. I've even taken naps in it. This chair seems to lack features that my current chair has and yet is somehow double the price.
@@bikeomatic8005 Steelcase gesture, Herman Miller gaming embody, Haworth Xbox fern! I’ve got videos on all - check it out and please consider using my links if you end up purchasing! Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly will do, although I'm in EU and where I am there is very little choice so will still need to buy in a different EU country than mine :/ thanks for the recommendations, will check these videos.
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No lies told! 🎯
You realize he has affiliate links and directly profits from reviews, right? There is a reason he doesnt tell you that you can buy these chairs from an authorized dealer for 30-50% off.
And yet I said the 1.0 was a HUGE let down (I paid full price for that chair too), and talk about many of the negatives of the v2.0 in this video…I’m either the worst salesman ever, or I’m telling the truth at the cost of sales + the cost of the chair.
I’d love to hear your business model on providing free high quality reviews of products without affiliate links! My email is in the description (you’ll also find an explicit statement that my links are affiliate links…since you seem to imply I’m being disahnest about that as well)
As for your point about AD, gaming line is not available through AD, and I’ve heard rumors about HM saying warranty for chairs bought at AD must now be done through AD, which means your customer service experience is subject to whether the AD is good or bad. If you buy online, you get direct access to HM and their top notch customer service
@SeriousPeaches I can tell you off of the top of my head that authorized dealers often times don't offer any kind of return policy. That's why I avoided them when picking my chair, and I can't speak for him, but that could be why he doesn't talk about it
Mind you though, he mention the possibility of used chairs anyways, so I really doubt it's some big conspiracy
Solid editing, good volume on audio track, nice simple set, good energy on camera, nice pacing, great script. Damn son, GREAT video. Well done!
Average height for a male in the USA is over 5'9". Yet somehow these office chair people still rarely ever make chairs that work okay for taller people. I believe that 5'10" is too tall for this chair. I'm 5'11" and I constantly run into comfort issues with high end office chairs, it's really crazy. They say they make chairs to cover 80% of people, but they don't. I'm glad you do have specific videos for taller and no-so-tall recommendations. Thumbs up!
average male height in the USA is increasing, but the average company in the USA is penny pinching too hard to make chairs for taller people. oh, how could these poor executives live without such massive compensation?
because women also use office chair too
POV you've never seen a woman before.
Average height is 5'7"-5'8"
Remember that torso length is also really important; some people might be 6'3 and have super long legs and torso of a 5'9 person, some are completely opposite
Happy with my Herman Miller Embody x Logitech Gaming Chair. From a person who sits in front of a Desktop Computer for 8-16 hrs a day, it's super comfortable. My previous was a Razer X Genshin Chair and the synthetic leather wore out after 2 years. With Herman Miller, I am happy with their 12 yr warranty
Do you use a headrest?
@@azaeldrmI have one too , absolutely love it , everytime I sit in it it feels as good as the first time . Love adjustability too . And you really don’t need a headrest with it in my opinion, I thought I’d want one , but turns out it works like they say .
Same, best chair I ever sat in. have had mine for 3 years
@@azaeldrmI have it and bought the atlas headrest. It's nice and kind of completesc the look of the chair I think. But I also don't think it's necessary now that I have it, unless you fully recline in the chair for extended periods. Plus I think it really works best if you are a little taller than me; I'm 173cm.
Hey bud, just wanted to leave a comment and say you have really well done reviews and I love the detail and thought that goes into them you earned a sub and like. Keep it up!
I could feel the gap you described in the gesture chair and I had to return it due to that fact. That was 3-4 years ago and never has anyone had that problem in the review until this one. Keep up the good work :)
I love your new setup! This video looks incredible!
Thanks! This was a temp setup. Official setup video should drop next week…and I think it looks super dope!
Welcome back! Hang in there. Love your videos and your work.
AWESOME REVIEW! the Vantum 2.0! looks amazing now! I have a herman miller embody because of this channel :) keep up the awesome reviews!
I saved up for an Embody and am happy AF. Also have a Titan chair and think both are kings in their price ranges respectively ❤ I sit (sadly) for at least 12 hours a day so a good chair is extremely important to me and both of these are at the top of my list.
I just got the Embody.. and it's super uncomfortable for me.. I have looong legs, so there is a 3-4 inches between the chair and my knee. The lumpar support hits me on my tail bone.. sadly going to return it, trying to find a better alternative.
@@frostyflakes581 ok don’t do that. Try it for 90 days or till ur return policy allows. I almost returned mine. I started out with that titan…and I still enjoy it. But ur butt needs time to adjust. I too have the longest femurs 🦴 imaginable and suffer the same problem. It’s the titan or the embody for me. Try the titan next as well. I love both chairs but the tilt of the embody is just amazing. Good luck! Every one is unique so go with what your body tells u!
@@frostyflakes581 Have you tried the seat depth adjustment?
So, the Leap V2 apparently is getting a headrest mod! If you can, please check it out. I got the Leap V2 under your recc, but i realized I really wanted a head rest. This could be such a good mod for such an affordable chair.
David Crandall and I already spoke! As soon as they’re ready to share their prototype for me to check out, they will! And I’ll be looking for everyone’s feedback to submit back to them!
I have an Embody, a Leap and a Humanscale Freedom and overall the Leap is the best chair but the Freedom has the best headrest. If I could get a Leap with a headrest like the Freedom that would be amazing, a Leap with the Freedom headrest and Gesture arms would be an elite chair, possibly the best out there.
@venom5809 man the more I sit on the freedom, the more I’m loving it. My friend who’s 6’ and has a super long torso loves that chair.
@@Ahnestly I generally love mine but the build quality isn't as good as Herman Miller or Steelcase or Haworth and the arms need to come up one more notch but other than that it's pretty cool. When I sit in my Leap the quality of the fabric and padding is noticeably better than the Freedom. The Freedom is more like a lightweight sports car and the Leap is like a Mercedes sedan. LOL
@@AhnestlyHey Dan I’m really curious how your friend feels this way. I’m 6’1” and I just tried one out and the headrest was at shoulder level at the highest setting! It seems like it can’t be a good fit for someone of my height
Embody chair with a 3rd party headrest extension is the best setup at the moment
I feel like headrest issue could be easily solved with some sort of lock system when you push it backwards, aka. lean on it. And have adjustment work by pulling it slightly towards front or not pushing at all. Something like that.
Dude, good for you for having an honest and quality review. You’re doing good work. Keep going!!!
loved the review! thanks man! I"m 6'5'' and you helped me make an informed decision
at 5:05 you again made me feel so much better for having returned my Vantum and getting an Embody. My biggest complaint, and it was a deal breaker, was the horrible seat depth and that feeling of your ass squishing out the back if you scooch back all the way. Even in 2.0 they didn't fix that? Sad...
does that mean I still order embody?
@@RestoranLaguna-kh4xx I love my Embody more than I've ever loved a piece of furniture in my life. Incredible chair, and I've owned a Vantum and an Aeron.
@@maolcogi means a lot of quality from those two
Finally a great option during discount periods.
It was so weird to see HM taking such a hit to their reputation w/ the 1.0
You and the guys over at BTOD are my absolute go too's! I would love to see you both colab with each other, maybe make a tier list!
Not sure I would want anything other than the tried and true 30 year old classic Aeron. You can buy them on the secondary market used or refurbished and spare parts for them are readily available.
Great to see them make changes to their chair, I'd like to see them periodically make changes/upgrades to the chair and put it up for sale as it does.
Also, would love to hear an update about your unfortunate instead per the last video :|
I will when it’s all over!
👍Nice video! There are so many Vantum competitors now day from big brands. Will you have a chance to review them? Such as the Hbada E3 Pro and Sihoo C300 Pro. Both look and feel better than Vantum at a lower price.
After getting a Patra Libra (that has all the features you'd want) for $350 while in Korea, it's hard to look at an "just ok" chair like this for $800 and feel good about getting one.
the embody is the GOAT really..you guys should just save up for that one.
My family worked for Herman Miller when they were located in Roseville ca. I swear every employee gets a bad ass Herman Miller chair at some point while working there. We had like 10 in our house all free😂😂
HM employees get a HUGE discount i think 1x a year on a product!
What a great, honest update! Thank you! Any updates on your landlord-that-had-no-integrity?
I will update once everything is over! Until then, keeping it quiet just in case!
Great video, thank you!
The only confusion I got is when 5:35 you made a gesture around your neck while saying "if you are up to 5'10" got me thinking that you are around 6 but then you mentioned later than you are 5'6 and I was like whaaat :D
We all owe this guy a sub
I love your reviews man, I watched them all this week I think haha.
Not sure if you will read me but I'd love your advice...
I currently have a HM Sayl with lumbar support and I was considering upgrading to the Aeron or the Cosm, mainly to consider getting a headrest (Atlas).
I went yesterday to a store and tried them both and came back not liking either. The Cosm not having lumbar support is a killer for me, too soft on your back, not ideal for long hours...
The Aeron maybe slightly too rigid and just feels outdated with so many mechanisms.
Do you think I should consider the Embody now? Ideally I'd keep to mesh chairs only, but after seeing your reviews I am curious.
Ty in advance :)
Hey Dan nice review and I am so glad to see the Vantum get some changes plus a price cut. :)
@Ahnestly Is the back of the chair still not stiff enough like the 1.0? I also prefer to have a stiffer tilt adjuster for work mode.
Tbh if I cant sit criss cross apple sauce in my chair and it doesnt have arm rests I can not justify spending 1k on any chair. (Talking ab the sail here) But it also looks like I can't sit the way I want in this chair. Idky but that's just how I've gamed as a kid and will continue to do so. I'm comfortable and I feel like I can lock in that way lmao.
Is the lumbar support overall still the same as the first version? Excluding the knob change. Does it still feel like low quality plastic barely supporting your back?
Lumbar is unchanged unfortunately
its good to see that they are willing to make the needed changes. Its not perfect but maybe a 3.0 will finally get it there
I left this part out of the video bc it felt like I was going too long, but I think only reason they changed it was bc they were losing too much money lol. My friend visited HM HQ and they sell used chairs in their store area. Most chairs were Vantum’s with a busted headrest.
It's simple they just need to add a latch for the 2.1 or you can lock the headrest with a visegrip.
Hello! First of all, great video I really appreciate the honesty and transparency.
I have a doubt, how can I know if the chair is the 2.0 version? Because on the official Herman Miller website it only says "VANTUM GAMING CHAIR" and I don't see any 2.0 label.
Thanks!
Hey! As mentioned in the video, they discontinued the 1.0. Any chair sold on their site is the 2.0. If you REALLY want to be sure, get a color that isn’t black or white, as the 1.0 only came in black or white.
If you decide to pick up, please consider using my link when you purchase! It helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly Ok got it! Thanks a lot
Wish you the best after the landlord incident! Always appreciate the quality content
Ayeeee thank you so so much!! Appreciate it!!
What's the best way to clean a Herman miller chair (aeron)
If you’re referring to dusting, I can’t speak to the Aeron; however, I found some success using the Magic Brush by Line Phono to dust my Sayl since it can easily get into the several small holes in its back.
Are you going to review the new Kaiser 4 gaming chair? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
Hi can you tell me which is for you the best confortabile chair for office??
Is it worth getting if you don't like the Embody? I got an Embody during the holiday sale last year and I just don't love it. I wanted to return it but "give it a chance" got me and I passed the return window. This seems ok, but I'm a little concerned with the seat pan depth. I also don't like aggressive lumbar but this seems somewhat adjustable.
The Embody seat depth is adjustable, have you tried that?
@@gregorymoore2877 Yeah, that's not my problem, I am concerned with the seat depth on the Vantum. Sorry if that was not clear.
great reviews man you've really helped me in my search here
Will you be reviewing the Fractal Refine Chair when it is available? looks good for the price.
I’m gonna try! Have a lot of videos lined up!
I'm 5'11, do you think I'll have an issue with the headrest?
will you review the new Fractal design chair It look really good but I can't find any detail review
Yup! It’s gonna be a bit, since I’m still testing, but yes
5’ 11” and big headrest user here thanks for the save on this one, any recommendations for >5’11” that don’t have the hanging butt and headrest problem?
If you can bring your budget up, def recommend the embody with an atlas headrest. That, or the gaming Xbox fern (the other versions had butt hang from my testing) with atlas headrest. I’ve got videos on both and both are currently on sale - please consider using my links if you find my videos helpful / useful!!
Oooh liking the new studio setup. Suave.
This was a temporary one. I'm going to showcase my real background next week! stay tuned!
tell me, is that 2.0 now on the website, I mean they removed the old one, so if I order now at this summer discount, I'll get what you just presented... your opinion, is embody much better than that
Yes they removed the old one from their site so 1.0 doesn’t exist anymore!
The chosen outfit is insane
hi
Ahnestly, can you make a video on best monitor arms ? Please, my monitor Wobbly a lot when I am typing, can you suggest best of the best in the market.
what chair would you choose for 6'0 under 1000?
Do you have any videos about chairs for tall people? I’m 6ft 4 currently have a titan xl
I thought Herman Miller's design philosophy was that a well designed chair does not need a head rest? Should I conclude that, since the Vantum has a head rest, it's not a well designed chair? Maybe you're not really supposed to buy a Vantum? Maybe you're just supposed to let them upsell you to an Embody, which is the greatest chair ever produced?
is it Helio color? It looks orange on the website and yours is more yellow. I'm confused?!
It's probably the color grading / lighting. It is an orange yellow. Hope this helps! Please consider using my link if you decide to pick up!
I have always wanted a Aeron chair... I practically live in my chair while programming all day. But I only want one because everyone says they're awesome for computer users that spend hours at a time sitting down.
My problem is that I'm cheap. The most expensive chair I have ever purchased was around $275 for a really horrible 'gamer chair' that I despise. It's cheap, falling apart after 4 years, and yea... It was good when it was new but it exponentially has gotten worse over the years.
Almost in the market for a replacement.
I don't see the headrest going down as a problem. If you tilt back the headrest is going to, imo, a more natural position in your neck. You don't even have to do it yourself. That's genius IF it was intentional.....
instead of 5'10 and under it should be torso to head length, everyone built different
Man I wish I had this level of data haha
@@Ahnestly haha fair enough, you're still the man 👊
I think im gonna stay with my titan xl from secretlabs for now... I may consider the embody but is way too expensive and I dont know if it suits me (1.83m and big back)
Thank you for these amazing reviews
ooh wow I like the orange scheme for this video!
Can you test out the CoreChair.. tango or classic
I feel like sitting in a $1000-2000 chair should be like Morty experiencing true level
the chair review goat
Want the orange one so bad
Any recommendation for tall guys? Mine is 5’11 and yet to find a good office chair
Check this video out! The BEST Office and Gaming Chairs 2023-2024 | Ultimate Chair Buying Guide
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Liked for honesty, screw them, took your feedback and they don't send samples anymore.
Sadly the headrest and the seat itself is still dealbreakears. For the same money I can instead find a real 24/7 operator chair that is made of steel and got lockable headrest. Also comes with a really thick and durable seat made for up to 210 cm tall and 200 kilogram persons lol.
If only there was a purple one I would get a couple months together to buy it
I noticed a major price hike on the gaming embody. More money for the same old chair..
from someone that just found out about "gaming chairs" this looks like a bunch of crappy plastic for 1k 💀💀
That’s because it is. Most “gaming chairs” are mad uncomfortable and just… suck. I’d rather get a Haworth Fern for just about the same price, but _WAY_ better
@@feraltrafficcone4483 bro I'm not spending more than 100$ on a damn chair 💀
Herman Miller makes some of the legitimately most ergonomic chairs on the market. Millions dumped into body science and ergonomic studies.
I still wouldn't buy this chair, but the Aeron or Embody are some of the best chairs you can buy for your own health ever made. I've got an Embody that's about 6 years old now. It's going to last me a lifetime.
I just did not get one thing. Is it 2.0 or its just silent update? I checked the HM portal and there is no such thing as 2.0.
They called it 2.0 and then stopped calling it 2.0 lol. You can Google it - other sites called it 2.0 as well
hope one day i an afford me a hm embody, love you video
i really dont understand.. i mean , call me extra for that, but why dont have a fixing in place knob for the headrest? i mean, okay its adjustable, but honestly, how many times you adjust the headrest for your own use? well?
so i would say it needs a tension based fixing thing. i mean you sit down you adjust the headrest for the optimal position, you get out of the chair and us the knob or something else whatever they come up with to fix the position..
It better be premium for a $1000, I expect it to be plated in gold.
I would buy if the seat wasn't a cushion. Put the mesh material from the Aeron in
why doesn't the headrest have a locking mechanism
thank you
I made a comment on your first video, apologies for this one here, I am still trying to remove the headrest from my chair, if I could get some help, that would be amazing
@@MytroZone should just be able to yank it out or look for some kind of clip that’s holding the headrest in!
Excellent video. Excellent. Another banger. Bravo!
$1k for the plastic chair 🗿
Its a good lookin chair
How is this guy not at 100k Subscribers yet!!!! I've been watching him in this space for a while and he is the king of chair reviews in my opinion!
My embody is 10 years old now and I'm ready for a new chair. Vantum 2.0 or Embody?
Embody. Fiveever. It’s currently on sale - please consider using my link if you decide to pick up!! (May be worth watching my gaming vs non gaming embody comparison video first!)
I paid SOOOo much for my chair. But I have back issues and wanted the best...... well this ain't it. I had to have a chair custom made and sold mine on craigslist taking a massive hit. All in all It could be the best chair money can buy. But I can not make that judgement. It is in fact made very well. but that's all the vaild feed back I can give.
After owning and or using several Herman Miller chairs I have determined they really don't make the best chairs. The Embody never grew on me and the Aeron is trash and none of the others I even want to buy, even the Eames soft pad wasn't that good when I tried it out. Steelcase and Haworth chairs are much better.
Hard disagree. Nobody does a better mesh than HM. The embody manages to do a cloth chair that mimics the bouncing properties of a mesh chair although it creaks quite a bit. Haworth has some of the WORST fabrics on their seat pan. I have no idea why they do this. Steel cases chairs are great but the lack of a rocking seat pan makes leaning back feel a bit awkward if you've sat in an HM. This is my experience owning both Aerons, mirra , sayl (shockingly conmfortable), embody (current chair), Contessa, leap v1 and 2, gesture, Very, zody, and the fern.
@@godyamit Mesh is trash. I just replaced my Embody with a Humanscale Freedom but I am looking for an Ekornes Stressless office chair or a Gunlocke Washington. I have a Haworth Improv HE from the 90's and the fabric is amazing, the chair looks new and it is still so comfortable. I hated my Haworth Fern but the leather was top notch. I still love my Leap, just wish it had a higher back or headrest but it feels great when you move back and forth and the fabric is the best out of anyone and the seat very comfortable. The Leap is my go to recommendation for someone that doesn't know much about chairs but wants a nice one.
@@venom5809 almost forgot about humanscale. Take care of the fabric if you didn't get leather. They glue it to the foam so once it separates it looks like loose skin and you're never repairing it
@@godyamit Mine is fabric but I am thinking of buying the leather panels off eBay and swapping them out. I think a gel seat would be better than the standard seat now.
Hello @Ahnestly I'm having trouble finding a chair suited to me, I'm 6'4 275lbs, I live in the UK. I'm currently sitting in a SIHOO ergo chair made out of mesh, far too small for me and I now know I hate mesh, my previous chair was the AKRacing Master XL Office, only issue with that I didn't feel like the back was supportive enough as I like to sit all the way back in the seat and slightly lean forward, I often sit in my chair for 10+ hours a day, please could you help me.
Try the steelcase gesture.
I second this.
@@Ahnestly I tried out my brothers Embody and I really like it, I've seen the steelcase and Dave doesn't look so comfortable and it says he's 6'4. The lumbar is also very aggressive I have tried out a similarly designed chair I didn't like that. Thanks for the suggestion and guidance though, I completely forgot I could try out this chair lol
It´s sooo nice... looking (especially that orange version). But I am 6´2" - so it´s a no for me.
What chair would you recommend for someone 6ft4 250 to 300 lbs?
6'4 is a unique beast. At your weight, I always recommend a higher end brand to ensure the chair will last. Steelcase Gesture, Gaming Fern (XBox one preferred because you don't feel a seat gap when you extend the seat out), and possibly the Herman Miller Gaming Embody (this is a hit or miss due to the curved shoulders on the backrest).
There's also the possibility of going with a racing style gaming chair just because of your height (no other chair can cover that amount of back). I really like the Andaseat Kaiser 3 (they're going to send me a v4 to review when they get it in my size) and the Secretlab Titan Evo 2022 chairs.
I'd start with Steelcase/Haworth because of their great return policies. Then if those don't work, the other options because returning them costs a fee/requires more work.
Hope this helps! If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly thank you so much!
What if I'm exactly 5'10", and just lay back on the headrest? Lol 🤣🤷♂.
I'm looking at this chair kinda hard because the price is great for what you get (especially now that they've improved the chair), and I need a new chair because my current one's seat cushion is at its end of life, but can't spend over a grand for the more commonly recommended chairs like the Aeron, Embody, Fern, Leap, Gesture, etc.
ever consider going used? Check out my videos on Crandall Office. They are an AWESOME company and actually refurb/clean chairs unlike most of these companies that just ship you whatever they found from an office dump.
They also warranty their chairs for 12 years.
They sell the classic Aerons with an Atlas Headrest for under $1k. Steelcase Gesture w/headrest can be just under $1k. If you're OK waiting for a headrest for the Leap v2, an Atlas headrest solution for it should be coming out in a few months (timeline unknown, but def coming).
And if you decide to pick up, please consider using my link for them! Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly oh yeah, I've looked at Crandall a lot lol. Thanks for the info!
you could turn down the background music by like 10%. but otherwise good video
can we have an update on the landlord situation?
yeh looks nice - but for me its still Embody - every day all day :D
Wait so the 2.0 is 895 marked down 20% right now?
Ah I should have been more clear.
Price at release: $1,000
6 mo later: permanently dropped to $800
Now: released v 2.0 and raised the price to $900
There’s currently a sale that makes the price $716 (see my links in the description!)
Gonna be honest... this chair doesn't look very comfortable. Like, I have a DX Racer, and a lot of people complain about those chairs... but I've always thought it was very comfortable. I've even taken naps in it. This chair seems to lack features that my current chair has and yet is somehow double the price.
I'm 6'4" - what would you recommend ?
@@bikeomatic8005 Steelcase gesture, Herman Miller gaming embody, Haworth Xbox fern! I’ve got videos on all - check it out and please consider using my links if you end up purchasing! Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly will do, although I'm in EU and where I am there is very little choice so will still need to buy in a different EU country than mine :/ thanks for the recommendations, will check these videos.
Can’t beat the Stealcase Gesture.
Think I'll stick with Secret Labs - tyvm
The headrest design is flawed if it easily moves by adding minimal force to it
Appreciate the vid!
Realest reviewer. HM is making a huge mistake cutting you off