Technology is great. But this seems overwhelming and excessive. Remember the OB the first year you got it. I enjoy toys. But I also enjoy the rugged plain old scope and the challenges that come with it, testing our skills and abilities. I go into the woods to escape the WiFi Bluetooth radio frequency noises, not bring them with me. Just my opinion.
I prefer to not make crossbow hunting too complicated. You have had great success with the OB by keeping things simple. I would not risk a bad shot on a nice deer. I will stick with my Vortex Crossfire that is always right on. Never changes and no batteries/bluetooth to rely on. Keep it simple and good luck Rich on your September hunts. All hail Bunjie!
Still researching this subject and may have some answers mid winter with other scopes. Sig makes one, couple others out there. Remains to be seen if they are for us or not.
I have little time to watch each day anymore BUT... When I got 5 alerts from people (blowing me up) about this video, I had to stop and watch. Dont take this the wrong way.... What did I say about high tech and such? What did you say (in the past) about high tech? This is what I said would happen and you knew that before even stepping a toe into the water. 😆 On a side note... I have not been hearing anything about failures with the Garmin. Might be because I dont have a minute for Crossbow Nation over the last couple of years, or Maybe because those issues just dont exist. If that is the case.... The Garmin would seem to be the cheaper out for such a scope. No? Anyway... I still think a flat shooting bow (shot covers the dot diameter at given range) and a shot distance (inside that dot) is far easier and more successful after the trigger is pulled. All the same.... You are really showing everyone all sides now and that is EXCELLENT. Thanks (as always) for all your time and everything you do for everyone who is a crossbow hunter. Good job!
Always great to hear from you! 100% agree on tech, on latest and greatest. 100% prefer tried true and tested, which this isn't yet, but will be some day. The Garmin only has a 1 year warranty, costs way more, has a fixed zoom, and only gives reticles to 80 yards. And it's way too complex for me. Just my thoughts. I suspect the reason we don't see as many complaints is because they haven't sold a fraction of what the Oracle X has sold, given the price. Could also be that they're a stronger product, that's entirely possible!
Strong observations. Give and take. That said... When you promise the same at 1/2 the price, that would equate to far more units sold to the lower price. I would love to know the facts concerning the return side for either though. Might be a tell tell Thanks for the reply. Always good to hear from you too. Tell the family I said hi :) @@Deathbybunjie
Glad to hear that Burris was good to deal with. I want to take my Burris off my "Slick Black Cadillac" and place it on my new X1. But I'm waiting on custom arrows so I can properly sight it in. I'm not sure I will get them before our season begins, so I don't want to mess up a bow that is sighted in.
Hi Rich, thanks for your posts and all the info you share! I enjoy your channel. I have had the Oracle X for just over a year now. The first scope battery sat all winter and still had some life left in it. After changing it this fall with a good new Duracell, I noticed a rapid decline in the battery. I managed to shoot a nice buck with it just a few weeks ago with that battery showing 1/2 power left but not long after the battery was dead. I had only hunted twice with that battery! I then noticed that even with a new battery my remote button was no longer working and it turned out that the button cell battery in the remote was basically out of power. My new main scope battery started loosing power rapidly again. My question is this: Does having a weak or dead button cell battery in the remote cause the scope battery to quickly decline because it is constantly searching to bluetooth connect to the remote? Is the weak or dead button cell battery in the remote the root cause of all of those scopes you mentioned draining batteries quickly? What do you think?
It's odd that it worked better than it does now that's odd. I don't think it constantly searches for Bluetooth connections because if it did then the remote would turn the scope on. The fact that you have to turn the scope on with the fire button first and then activate the remote tells me that it is not looking for the remote, except for the 30 minutes that it remains on. I will say this about the battery, I have extras in my backpack at all times and I found a tool that I will feature in an upcoming video that makes changing the battery a breeze. I have no apprehension whatsoever about changing the battery. So let them run dead for all I care haha. Not a perfect answer but I think you will like that upcoming video.
I now believe I was mistaken that it worked better after I replaced the button cell battery in the remote. I just called Burris and they told me that the battery drain issue is a know issue that they have had and they will fix it for free. They sent me a return label while I was on the phone with them so I sent it back today already. I was on hold for a while but when it was my turn they were very patient with me. Burris definitely has top notch service! @@Deathbybunjie
Contemplating this scope for either a new bow or put on an older scorpyd bow. Hope they have the bugs figured out by now. Good video and love how your channel is growing. Been away for a bit but is very enjoyable catching up on your adventures ❤
I had a similar experience with Burris. Pleasant and responsive to deal wi5h and my scope was returned sooner than the estimate they gave me. Both times. The second one was brand new as they said the original was unrepairable. I tried out the new scope sighting it in and like you, trued at 35 and 50 yds. It shot great. But I decided to sell it. My reasons were I lost confidence in the product and tho it's a great concept, I just didn't feel like it was ready for "prime time". For the cost of this product it should be more refined. The allen screws to tighten the windage and elevation are still a hastle and kinda difficult to use. The battery compartment door is very difficult to get back on for my fat fingers to deal with. Like you I really wanted this to work, and the second one they sent me did. But I only kept it long enough to make sure it was functioning properly. So I now have KI's MV36 scope on my X1 and it's excellent. But I'll be waiting for Burris to bring out Oracle X v2.0. Maybe it'll be a little smaller and a little more user friendly. Burris has good cs and I have no issues with them. I just think due to market competition it may have been a little rushed to get to market.
I have never had a good burris scope, every one I have ever had suffered from inconsistent performance, grant there were not the oracle X but basically same sort of issues. I would never have another burris scope of any kind.
They told me it was searching for blue tooth. Not only did my battery drain prematurely. Additionally, 3 people (including me) could not even get the battery in after it was replaced. I also loved my Burris the first time out and was so excited for the season. My philosophy is simple: Battery compartment technology is not complicated. The design flaw was unacceptable. The agreed to return for a refund. I went with the Garmin. As Rich says, it is more complicated to set up. And the scope is more expensive. But it is working for me so far. Excited for October 1 to see how it performs on a deer.
Just wondering how it went since they sent u a new scope to replace the one that broke and the refurbished one. I’ve noticed there wasn’t an update since this video, but did see you got yourself a 29x. I absolutely love mine. And I think you’re gonna love yours too! Just wondering how you’re feeling about the Burris scope now that some time went by as I been on the fence for a lil while…
I've hunted with it exclusively, and have a total of five of these Scopes now, if you count the one that's on its way. So I'd say the update is I really like them. LOL I think there's always a risk with brand new stuff but they appear to have worked the kinks out of it.
My tactacam 5.0 is currently draining batteries and it drives me crazy. Tactacam tried telling me the same crap that burris told you about the oracle. Take the battery out when your not using it 😂
Sorry to hear that, I usually recharge the batteries I'm done hunting every time. I don't leave them in those cameras because they tend to turn on in the backpack and then I get a full card of black video and a dead battery LOL
so, I'm guessing that the battery they used is not the best battery, I to have had the same thing with the battery just taking a crap on me in the middle of using it. Do I have to set the truing on the scope or can i just not deal with that and just use the range finder and go from that, or is there a benefit to setting all that information like the drop, truing, bolt and so on? I did pick up a 6 pack of batteries to keep with me at all times now.
You have to true it, but that doesn't require setting drop or anything like that, it does that automatically, check out the video I did on it it's pretty thorough I think
I am very leery of any battery op optics----ALL OF THEM ! I have pistols with red dots and a muzzle loader with a dot. You know what though ? The pistol I carry in public has no red dot, don't trust them with my life or somebody else's life.
Are your Oracle x (Oracle x's?😅) Still holding zero now that it's been a couple months? Thanks for the vid btw, love you're content great job! Want to make sure once you have a good unit it stays a good unit before pulling the trigger on one.
If you limit your shots to 30 yards most crossbows shot flat out to 25 yards and use your first dot on your scope you will save a thousand dollars on a scope. That will fail some day
Way too many moving parts for my liking. The Scope that came with my G340 has been great for last 3 seasons. Reaching out to 50 yards each year not needing to adjust anything. Every year when I get out to shoot targets, the scope is spot on without any adjusting, battery's, Bluetooth any of that stuff. Shooting 3-inch groupings are fine for me at the set distances I have set. Pretty soon you will be able to reheat leftovers out in the filed with those types of scopes lol.
My original is working good and you have me hesitating on buying a second for my other bow. Almost pulled the trigger two nights ago but Canceled the order and now They've gone up another $100 on Amazon lol. Last year when I bought mine they dropped $100 the next week. I just put a fresh battery in mine still had the original from last year. I don't know, I don't have the problem with the battery door like everybody talks about. Maybe because I'm a mechanic.
My philosophy is that if I’m having issues with a particular Hunting item just in the backyard, it doesn’t make it to the woods because I don’t want those issues in the woods.. most of my shots are 20 yards and in I’ve only ever taken one shot at 45 yards with a bow and I haven’t had a issue with my standard speed scope
I’m with Rich I’ve had my scope since last January. I used it all last season, same battery to this day. I love the scope. I respect Burris you call they answer all your questions. I feel bad for those struggling with there scopes. When it works properly best scope for the money.
Good points. I’m going to start with 2 tru points. I just got the scope mounted with a torque wrench settings on the bottom mount screws and the pic rail mount screws 70 in/lbs and 100 respectively. Those are my own specs. Not theirs so maybe more than wise but I didn’t break or strip anything. Loose screws will not be an issue for my set up or shouldn’t be. ABSOLUTELY GREAT VIDEO feedback. I have been putting off sighting this thing in just dreading any complications. But I’m going to give it a try this weekend. Between your channel and the facebook group, I stay informed on the potential issues. Burris needs to know the reality of their product and the real legitimate issues so they can fix them and address them in any upcoming models. Thanks for keeping a a no excuses approach and not giving up. When this product works well and as advertised it is a “game changer” to steal something you once said. That’s truth!
My 2 cents after listening to these oracle x dilemmas. At this stage i would only use it on the target range. 2 going wonky like that and possible battery issues? DLX under 30yds and harvest another King of the Forest. Just not knowing the cause of the issues, would give me lack of confidence.
@@Deathbybunjie thanks Rich. FYI, cr123a batts are the same as 16340. You can get varying amperage versions, but they often run around 3.7V. I asked Burris if the slightly higher voltage batts were ok to use, but they didn't have an answer. Except that if my scope is damaged in any way, it'll be covered by the warranty. Regardless, I have an oraclex on my deathstalker 400 and I love it. Hope it lasts.
I'm out hunting right now with the Oracle X on my Scorpyd. Scope won't range anymore. I turn it on and click the range button and it shuts off... Any quick help as I'm way out in the woods right now and getting ready for my afternoon hunt.
I’ve not had a problem with my Burris oracle x yet it been good for three years sold going on 4 just sighted it in for this year pin point out to 100 yards baseball size group probably me at that distance lol
I had the battery issue last year. I went to shoot it about a week after the season and it had died again. They had told me I could send it back but I just thought I had an older battery. So, I'll probably be sending it back after this season. I'll just get a ton of batteries for this year. Those little CR123's aren't too cheap either! Good luck this year!
I dropped a big hen yesterday with the same set up. Have taken many deer with mine and I pre ordered my swat x1 so I have been hunting with it a few years. I know you will like it, just hang tight and work out the kinks.
That blows about that scope /you spend a thousand dollars that you work harder for nowadays ...it just blows/it's nice to know that buris looked after you and stand buy there product
leave the electronics at home. Less biased... never rely on anything working on blue tooth, eventual random failures are a guarantee. Back to the Bias...stick to the tried and true you will grow your skill...rely on electronic assistance and your skill will diminish.
i'm guessing you got to the bottom of the accuracy issues with the burris? Last vid I saw you had three of them that were defective. Some kind of ahh ha moment there with them? I could see getting one of these for my 80 year old pops. He needs all the help he can get and I would like to avoid crazy tracking adventures and long drag outs. @@Deathbybunjie
@@tomlastname9163 ua-cam.com/video/hiyhFrndVZ0/v-deo.htmlsi=KYp3bCVHnVBobftP I wouldn't really describe it as an aha moment but more of a send the stupid things back and get ones that work LOL but seriously their warranty is the best in the business, they had quick turnaround time, and the ones that I have now are working perfectly. I really love them. And I'm not going to hunt without them.
Be sure to check the battery, new or not, before you get ready to go to the woods. Lots of bad chi/com buttons out there. There are NO Bargains in buttons.
I had that problem with my first scope I had my dealer to send it Back they was talking about 5 to 6 week so I talked to a rep and got a new one back within a week and had it a week and was sightings that one in the battery went dead so just swapped it out
Theres tens of thousands of dollars in that room. Admittedly i made life harder than it has to be with no college or trade school but is what it is. Great job on the videos as always (:
Rich thanks to you and your excellent videos I got my Oracle X sighted in on my Mission Sub 1 today with 100 gr Sver broadheads , now after watching your video on heavier broadheads I purchased Shwacker 3” 150 gr . I haven’t shot them yet but if they don’t hit the 20 yard “ hard” setting but still hit the target do I just move out too 30 yards and on , with it in the # 2 bolt or second set up ? Thanks again and Happy New Years to you and your family. All Hail Bungee !!!
If they are dead on a 20 then you can just switch to bolt to and true it at 30 50 Etc and so on. If they are off at 20 you will need to physically adjust it at 20 using the little allen wrench screws and then true it at 30 and 50 and so on. I hope that helps!
Something I noticed with my Burris and battery drain was how far away my Bluetooth button was. if it’s on or near the crossbow, I don’t have battery drain. But I left the Bluetooth button inside while target practicing and it drained the battery by half. Maybe not the fix everybody wants, but it did solve my problem. Hope I helped!
Sig Sauer BDX system works well on my Sub1 this will be season 3 and I have to change the battery. Its at 50 percent. I have the 3.5 x 10 x 42 scope not the package Sig and Mission used to originally create the program software for the scopes to be compatible for use on crossbows.
I have been looking at that one, among maybe 3 others. Nice to know you mounted a Sig on a bow as that was one of my question marks.Halo made a perfect one but it's out of production. And PARD makes one with night vision capabilities. Burris also makes another one called the eliminator in a more traditional low profile scope but it seems VERY complicated.
I like when it works is not much of an endorsement. When you have multiple ones that work perfectly for 10+ years, get back to me. Everything that's been shared so far seems like a headache. I don't mind paying extra for something that works. Nothing about this inspires confidence in the product.
At least it's my honest feedback, unfortunately that's all I have LOL if I was working for the company I would have stopped in November of last year, telling you how great it was haha
Rich I am interested in getting a Burris Oracle but hearing about all the problems I think I will wait until they get all the problems worked out of it Don’t want to have a really nice buck present a shot to me and miss because the scope malfunctioned. Not going to do it. Good. luck this year .
Halo Hyper-X was supposed to come out at the same time as the Oracle X and the Garmin. Of the 3 it had the best form factor, and price... But unfortunately it never was released. Super unfortunate because it was the competition that the Oracle X needed...
I use the Swhackers, 150gr 3" crossbow broadheads and on most of our crossbows they hit the same as the field points. But NOT on the new SWAT X1 I'm using now! They hit a bit low, and the further out I go the more noticeable it is. But one of the cool things about the Burris Oracle X is that I can set it up for two different arrow setups. So on that crossbow, I use the BOLT 2 setting for the Swhackers, since they're dead on at 20, and it worked perfectly this year. They are dead on at 60 out of that crossbow, and if I go back to field points I can just switch back to BOLT 1. Pretty cool!
Absolutely love this scope the only problem I had with it last year was when it got cold it acted funny then died not long after but never had any problems since or anything
Electrical things can and often do have whats called a parasitic draw. It is an electrical issue and Burris should not over look it. That’s discerning a little bit. But that said with you now with 5 or 6 and others with whom knows how many eventually they will fix it all up in 10-20 years. That maybe a good time for me to get one hahahahahaha. By the way i think i heard Bunjie snickering about the scope issues. Just saying hahahahahaha. All seriousness Rich i hope these work out for you and i hope they do rectify these issues because they are not cheap scopes not by any means. They are over 1100.00 here in canada for 1 i was considering buying one until you and others listed issues. Really glad i have that old Shadowzone. I even had issues with the DLX’s once. Man i hope this scope of mine lasts beyond my years.
I suspect the Burris scope has its own ability to set the correct angle compensation program due to its ability to correctly adjust the site for different yardages. The angle compensation on range finders usually produces a cosine error due to not being able to program the speed and arrow weight into the compensation program. If a person had the ability to program their rangefinder with the correct speed and arrow weight, then the angle compensation would be correct for that bow. Even if your Burris range finding scope does produce a cosine error, it won't be near as noticeable due to the speed of your new Hyper-Bunjie. On a vertical bow with slower speeds, an angle compensating range finder can be noticeably off at longer distances at steep angles. @@Deathbybunjie
Your “ I don’t read the manual” statement sounds like an admission of guilt almost to you figuring out what went wrong with the first scope 😂. I also don’t read manuals- i feel like i’m smart enough to figure it out all by myself. Guilty as charged
@@Deathbybunjie Gentleman, I know we are men. We don't ask for directions and we don't read manuals! However, I have decided that at 68yrs old that I am a digital immigrant in the land of digital natives!! Soooooo when it comes to anything electronic, I'm readin the manual!!!
The trajectory of the newer crossbows is staggering at those higher speeds. My Barnett Recurve Crossbow shoots a medium weight arrow around 450 grains pretty flat to 25 yards which is about my max to hit a deer before it can move an insane amount before the arrow arrives. Still have to aim low. Guessing at those longer ranges, deer may actually react to the sound of the arrow more than the crossbow which they may not react to at all at those longer distances.
I guess I would never have to worry about having these issues. The cost is the biggest factor, then having to watch a video on how to fix things if they start going bad. It is sad that you had to do a video on this, when Burris should have something already posted on their website for these issues.. It is nice to hear they are good to work with, but it sure doesn't help when you are hunting and miss or especially wound a deer due to a malfunction of a very expensive scope. Would this not be the same as the car situation you spoke about a few years back and how you would never own another "Chevy"?
That Trailblazer had a lot more issues than the scope haha, remember I got a good season out of that scope and it worked perfectly. The Trailblazer left me stranded an hour from home because the tumbler broke and you couldn't turn the key. This was after the odometer broke at 17,000 miles. Keys and odometers have been in cars since they started making cars lol
I guess your right. Would it make a difference if the malfunction happened at the time of wounding a deer and not finding it? Seems like a lot of hassle for something you really want to work and is very expensive. I guess I am just grumpy today. Good Luck with Burris and keep us up to date. @@Deathbybunjie
What’s your opinion on the nocks for the x1. Lot of forums say flat nocks more accurate. And on the killer instinct video says either can be used. One eye archer said on crossbow forum that for lighted nocks go with flat nocks I saw.
Hey George! I originally tried flat lighted nocks from the X1 years ago. They shot ok but had center serving wear. I have been shooting the same GTC nocks Rich has and they shoot phenomenal and no serving wear. Another one that works great in the tenpoint Alpha Blaze. Hope this helps!
@@one-eyedarcher that’s helps. Wasn’t sure what to use. That might have been and old discussion on that crossbow forum from years ago. Time to head to the luminok website. Again. Lol. Thanks for the info.
George meet Jim, Jim meet George. I hunted with George and shot with Jim in the 60 Yard Backyard. The three of us gotta hunt together one day. Like at a Meat & Greet or something.
First of let me say i enjoy your videos and always look forward to see new ones. Keep up the good work guys!!!! IMO Burris scope is fun and good to have for target practice and why wouldn’t be wright, but when it come down to practicality not sooo much. Im just not seeing it withstand the abuse that it will go through in the field and at the other hand it’s big and will make awkward to move around freely in the woods. I do believe we as humans tempt to over think simplicity and it’s never good or better outcome. Simple been working for years and it will continue to work many years to come. As my Grandfather said “keep it simple stupid”
I don't think they're supposed to be tight, mine are pretty loose but it allows me to adjust it as needed. I put my foot on the Stirrup and adjust it when I stand the crossbow up and it sits there perfectly. Personally, I wouldn't change a thing with that.
The screws will fall out if I don’t constantly tighten them. Can’t lock tight them because the stirrup won’t move if I do that. I’ve lost a screw twice.
Is it the vibrations that kill it over time???if you only shoot it couple times during hunting season maybe Burris last longer ???but repeat shooting like couple hundred shots in an afternoon ,just can't handle the vibrations????I run an HHA TETRA on my phoenix for 3d shooting and I noticed at end of day one pin on tetra working its way out?easy to push back in ,but I emailed HHA ,had to send to them ,they pushed pin in ,sent it back and few weeks later got another one new in package, haven't opened yet but I'm assuming it will do same thing???? Hard to say how many shots have been thru all original phoenix.
@Deathbybunjie crossbow scope rails seem to be designed like a diving board?my thought is the lighter the diver the less the board will move???that Burris looks like a big old diver out that board lol
So are we all placing bets to when this one does same thing ????? Excaliber replaced my matrix scope with overwatch scope that has 100 yard luminated circles and its been working sweet everytime ???
@@Deathbybunjie it was original tact zone ,it still held zero and would light up I just noticed around edge of glass inside scope was getting blurry ?called excalibur they said send it in and a week later got brand new overwatch scope rings and flip ups ,gotta say it's pretty sweet upgrade.
The temptation to go with electronic scope is strong, but missing a trophy buck because of a malfuntion is what steers me away.
Go back to the original Bungie!
Technology is great. But this seems overwhelming and excessive. Remember the OB the first year you got it. I enjoy toys. But I also enjoy the rugged plain old scope and the challenges that come with it, testing our skills and abilities. I go into the woods to escape the WiFi Bluetooth radio frequency noises, not bring them with me. Just my opinion.
I usually just stick with the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, just perfect it” motto.
I prefer to not make crossbow hunting too complicated. You have had great success with the OB by keeping things simple. I would not risk a bad shot on a nice deer. I will stick with my Vortex Crossfire that is always right on. Never changes and no batteries/bluetooth to rely on. Keep it simple and good luck Rich on your September hunts. All hail Bunjie!
Still researching this subject and may have some answers mid winter with other scopes. Sig makes one, couple others out there. Remains to be seen if they are for us or not.
I have little time to watch each day anymore BUT... When I got 5 alerts from people (blowing me up) about this video, I had to stop and watch.
Dont take this the wrong way....
What did I say about high tech and such?
What did you say (in the past) about high tech?
This is what I said would happen and you knew that before even stepping a toe into the water.
😆
On a side note... I have not been hearing anything about failures with the Garmin. Might be because I dont have a minute for Crossbow Nation over the last couple of years, or Maybe because those issues just dont exist.
If that is the case....
The Garmin would seem to be the cheaper out for such a scope.
No?
Anyway...
I still think a flat shooting bow (shot covers the dot diameter at given range) and a shot distance (inside that dot) is far easier and more successful after the trigger is pulled.
All the same....
You are really showing everyone all sides now and that is EXCELLENT.
Thanks (as always) for all your time and everything you do for everyone who is a crossbow hunter.
Good job!
Always great to hear from you!
100% agree on tech, on latest and greatest. 100% prefer tried true and tested, which this isn't yet, but will be some day.
The Garmin only has a 1 year warranty, costs way more, has a fixed zoom, and only gives reticles to 80 yards. And it's way too complex for me. Just my thoughts. I suspect the reason we don't see as many complaints is because they haven't sold a fraction of what the Oracle X has sold, given the price. Could also be that they're a stronger product, that's entirely possible!
Strong observations. Give and take.
That said...
When you promise the same at 1/2 the price, that would equate to far more units sold to the lower price.
I would love to know the facts concerning the return side for either though.
Might be a tell tell
Thanks for the reply.
Always good to hear from you too.
Tell the family I said hi :)
@@Deathbybunjie
Glad you’re back I was having withdrawals from 31 days and then nothing for a few days!
😂
Glad to hear that Burris was good to deal with. I want to take my Burris off my "Slick Black Cadillac" and place it on my new X1. But I'm waiting on custom arrows so I can properly sight it in. I'm not sure I will get them before our season begins, so I don't want to mess up a bow that is sighted in.
Hi Rich, thanks for your posts and all the info you share! I enjoy your channel. I have had the Oracle X for just over a year now. The first scope battery sat all winter and still had some life left in it. After changing it this fall with a good new Duracell, I noticed a rapid decline in the battery. I managed to shoot a nice buck with it just a few weeks ago with that battery showing 1/2 power left but not long after the battery was dead. I had only hunted twice with that battery! I then noticed that even with a new battery my remote button was no longer working and it turned out that the button cell battery in the remote was basically out of power. My new main scope battery started loosing power rapidly again. My question is this: Does having a weak or dead button cell battery in the remote cause the scope battery to quickly decline because it is constantly searching to bluetooth connect to the remote? Is the weak or dead button cell battery in the remote the root cause of all of those scopes you mentioned draining batteries quickly? What do you think?
It's odd that it worked better than it does now that's odd. I don't think it constantly searches for Bluetooth connections because if it did then the remote would turn the scope on. The fact that you have to turn the scope on with the fire button first and then activate the remote tells me that it is not looking for the remote, except for the 30 minutes that it remains on. I will say this about the battery, I have extras in my backpack at all times and I found a tool that I will feature in an upcoming video that makes changing the battery a breeze. I have no apprehension whatsoever about changing the battery. So let them run dead for all I care haha. Not a perfect answer but I think you will like that upcoming video.
I now believe I was mistaken that it worked better after I replaced the button cell battery in the remote. I just called Burris and they told me that the battery drain issue is a know issue that they have had and they will fix it for free. They sent me a return label while I was on the phone with them so I sent it back today already. I was on hold for a while but when it was my turn they were very patient with me. Burris definitely has top notch service! @@Deathbybunjie
Contemplating this scope for either a new bow or put on an older scorpyd bow. Hope they have the bugs figured out by now. Good video and love how your channel is growing. Been away for a bit but is very enjoyable catching up on your adventures ❤
For as much as they cost, I would expect them to work perfectly out of the box and continually to do so.
Glad the dowel rod is working for you. It makes changing the battery like this 🤬 to just this 😠! 😂
😃😅 exactly!
Too much math and techology for me im good to 50 thats all i want or need and the price is more than two of my crossbows
I had a similar experience with Burris. Pleasant and responsive to deal wi5h and my scope was returned sooner than the estimate they gave me. Both times. The second one was brand new as they said the original was unrepairable. I tried out the new scope sighting it in and like you, trued at 35 and 50 yds. It shot great. But I decided to sell it. My reasons were I lost confidence in the product and tho it's a great concept, I just didn't feel like it was ready for "prime time". For the cost of this product it should be more refined. The allen screws to tighten the windage and elevation are still a hastle and kinda difficult to use. The battery compartment door is very difficult to get back on for my fat fingers to deal with. Like you I really wanted this to work, and the second one they sent me did. But I only kept it long enough to make sure it was functioning properly. So I now have KI's MV36 scope on my X1 and it's excellent. But I'll be waiting for Burris to bring out Oracle X v2.0. Maybe it'll be a little smaller and a little more user friendly. Burris has good cs and I have no issues with them. I just think due to market competition it may have been a little rushed to get to market.
Lots of great points here and the not ready for prime time hits the nail right on the head for me
I have never had a good burris scope, every one I have ever had suffered from inconsistent performance, grant there were not the oracle X but basically same sort of issues. I would never have another burris scope of any kind.
They told me it was searching for blue tooth. Not only did my battery drain prematurely. Additionally, 3 people (including me) could not even get the battery in after it was replaced. I also loved my Burris the first time out and was so excited for the season. My philosophy is simple: Battery compartment technology is not complicated. The design flaw was unacceptable. The agreed to return for a refund. I went with the Garmin. As Rich says, it is more complicated to set up. And the scope is more expensive. But it is working for me so far. Excited for October 1 to see how it performs on a deer.
Awesome keep me posted!
Just wondering how it went since they sent u a new scope to replace the one that broke and the refurbished one. I’ve noticed there wasn’t an update since this video, but did see you got yourself a 29x. I absolutely love mine. And I think you’re gonna love yours too! Just wondering how you’re feeling about the Burris scope now that some time went by as I been on the fence for a lil while…
I've hunted with it exclusively, and have a total of five of these Scopes now, if you count the one that's on its way. So I'd say the update is I really like them. LOL I think there's always a risk with brand new stuff but they appear to have worked the kinks out of it.
My tactacam 5.0 is currently draining batteries and it drives me crazy. Tactacam tried telling me the same crap that burris told you about the oracle. Take the battery out when your not using it 😂
Sorry to hear that, I usually recharge the batteries I'm done hunting every time. I don't leave them in those cameras because they tend to turn on in the backpack and then I get a full card of black video and a dead battery LOL
so, I'm guessing that the battery they used is not the best battery, I to have had the same thing with the battery just taking a crap on me in the middle of using it. Do I have to set the truing on the scope or can i just not deal with that and just use the range finder and go from that, or is there a benefit to setting all that information like the drop, truing, bolt and so on? I did pick up a 6 pack of batteries to keep with me at all times now.
You have to true it, but that doesn't require setting drop or anything like that, it does that automatically, check out the video I did on it it's pretty thorough I think
Hello great information question I have is do I need to sight in the scope all over if I need to replace the battery
Thank you
You definitely should not need to, I've replaced the battery a couple of times now and all good
I am very leery of any battery op optics----ALL OF THEM ! I have pistols with red dots and a muzzle loader with a dot. You know what though ? The pistol I carry in public has no red dot, don't trust them with my life or somebody else's life.
I love the concept but heck I haven’t even stepped up to a speed ring!
I killed a lot of deer before my first speed ring scope lol 😆 been there, nothing wrong with that!
Are your Oracle x (Oracle x's?😅) Still holding zero now that it's been a couple months?
Thanks for the vid btw, love you're content great job!
Want to make sure once you have a good unit it stays a good unit before pulling the trigger on one.
If you limit your shots to 30 yards most crossbows shot flat out to 25 yards and use your first dot on your scope you will save a thousand dollars on a scope. That will fail some day
Flat is a myth
Trying to figure out how to film with my phone attached to Burris any thoughts
Mount the phone next to you separately is my vote, on a tripod or a clamp
Way too many moving parts for my liking. The Scope that came with my G340 has been great for last 3 seasons. Reaching out to 50 yards each year not needing to adjust anything. Every year when I get out to shoot targets, the scope is spot on without any adjusting, battery's, Bluetooth any of that stuff. Shooting 3-inch groupings are fine for me at the set distances I have set. Pretty soon you will be able to reheat leftovers out in the filed with those types of scopes lol.
My original is working good and you have me hesitating on buying a second for my other bow. Almost pulled the trigger two nights ago but Canceled the order and now They've gone up another $100 on Amazon lol. Last year when I bought mine they dropped $100 the next week.
I just put a fresh battery in mine still had the original from last year. I don't know, I don't have the problem with the battery door like everybody talks about. Maybe because I'm a mechanic.
My philosophy is that if I’m having issues with a particular Hunting item just in the backyard, it doesn’t make it to the woods because I don’t want those issues in the woods.. most of my shots are 20 yards and in I’ve only ever taken one shot at 45 yards with a bow and I haven’t had a issue with my standard speed scope
If you are going to switch from the Burris orical x what will you go with.
No plans on Switching at this time, Garmin does make a similar one though but it seems a bit more complicated to my eye but I have not used it
I’m with Rich I’ve had my scope since last January. I used it all last season, same battery to this day. I love the scope. I respect Burris you call they answer all your questions. I feel bad for those struggling with there scopes. When it works properly best scope for the money.
Right on 💯
Do you shoot your crossbow alot??or just around hunting season???
@@linescum444 I shoot all year-long
Good points. I’m going to start with 2 tru points. I just got the scope mounted with a torque wrench settings on the bottom mount screws and the pic rail mount screws 70 in/lbs and 100 respectively. Those are my own specs. Not theirs so maybe more than wise but I didn’t break or strip anything. Loose screws will not be an issue for my set up or shouldn’t be. ABSOLUTELY GREAT VIDEO feedback. I have been putting off sighting this thing in just dreading any complications. But I’m going to give it a try this weekend. Between your channel and the facebook group, I stay informed on the potential issues. Burris needs to know the reality of their product and the real legitimate issues so they can fix them and address them in any upcoming models. Thanks for keeping a a no excuses approach and not giving up. When this product works well and as advertised it is a “game changer” to steal something you once said. That’s truth!
My 2 cents after listening to these oracle x dilemmas. At this stage i would only use it on the target range. 2 going wonky like that and possible battery issues? DLX under 30yds and harvest another King of the Forest. Just not knowing the cause of the issues, would give me lack of confidence.
I've found some rechargeable cr123a batteries on amazon. Have you tried any?
No, I bought a package of duracells and I've only used a few of them.
@@Deathbybunjie thanks Rich. FYI, cr123a batts are the same as 16340. You can get varying amperage versions, but they often run around 3.7V. I asked Burris if the slightly higher voltage batts were ok to use, but they didn't have an answer. Except that if my scope is damaged in any way, it'll be covered by the warranty.
Regardless, I have an oraclex on my deathstalker 400 and I love it. Hope it lasts.
I'm out hunting right now with the Oracle X on my Scorpyd. Scope won't range anymore. I turn it on and click the range button and it shuts off... Any quick help as I'm way out in the woods right now and getting ready for my afternoon hunt.
Battery good?
Battery is fine. It started working again. Maybe because of the temp during my am hunt? It was 24 degrees.
Allot less complicated and a whole lot of problems. more lemons then you can count. learn by your mistakes and move on with a better optic...Carry on!
I’ve not had a problem with my Burris oracle x yet it been good for three years sold going on 4 just sighted it in for this year pin point out to 100 yards baseball size group probably me at that distance lol
That's awesome 👌 good luck this season!
@@Deathbybunjie and the same to you as well sir
I had the battery issue last year. I went to shoot it about a week after the season and it had died again. They had told me I could send it back but I just thought I had an older battery. So, I'll probably be sending it back after this season. I'll just get a ton of batteries for this year. Those little CR123's aren't too cheap either! Good luck this year!
I dropped a big hen yesterday with the same set up. Have taken many deer with mine and I pre ordered my swat x1 so I have been hunting with it a few years. I know you will like it, just hang tight and work out the kinks.
That blows about that scope /you spend a thousand dollars that you work harder for nowadays ...it just blows/it's nice to know that buris looked after you and stand buy there product
Ha! I think everyone uses the wrong dot at least once.
I know, right?
Like almost anything electronic now days. Lucky if they last a year, pay like they'll last a lifetime.
leave the electronics at home. Less biased... never rely on anything working on blue tooth, eventual random failures are a guarantee. Back to the Bias...stick to the tried and true you will grow your skill...rely on electronic assistance and your skill will diminish.
I hunted with a speed ring scope for over a decade, killed dozens of deer that way. This is better though.
i'm guessing you got to the bottom of the accuracy issues with the burris? Last vid I saw you had three of them that were defective. Some kind of ahh ha moment there with them? I could see getting one of these for my 80 year old pops. He needs all the help he can get and I would like to avoid crazy tracking adventures and long drag outs. @@Deathbybunjie
@@tomlastname9163 ua-cam.com/video/hiyhFrndVZ0/v-deo.htmlsi=KYp3bCVHnVBobftP I wouldn't really describe it as an aha moment but more of a send the stupid things back and get ones that work LOL but seriously their warranty is the best in the business, they had quick turnaround time, and the ones that I have now are working perfectly. I really love them. And I'm not going to hunt without them.
Be sure to check the battery, new or not, before you get ready to go to the woods. Lots of bad chi/com buttons out there. There are NO Bargains in buttons.
I had that problem with my first scope I had my dealer to send it Back they was talking about 5 to 6 week so I talked to a rep and got a new one back within a week and had it a week and was sightings that one in the battery went dead so just swapped it out
I always put blue loctite on all my screws on scope mount and scope and never had a problem screws getting loose
The fact that this video even needed to be made tells me all I need to know. I'll stick with my Vortex.
Hey it beats open sights ! Does anyone use them anymore
Man i hope not haha
Theres tens of thousands of dollars in that room. Admittedly i made life harder than it has to be with no college or trade school but is what it is. Great job on the videos as always (:
kiss lol
KISS
Are you truing 1 and 4 or 1 and 2 for the two point tru?
1 and 2, sometime 1, 2 and 3 😁 whatever suits me when I do it haha
Rich thanks to you and your excellent videos I got my Oracle X sighted in on my Mission Sub 1 today with 100 gr Sver broadheads , now after watching your video on heavier broadheads I purchased Shwacker 3” 150 gr . I haven’t shot them yet but if they don’t hit the 20 yard “ hard” setting but still hit the target do I just move out too 30 yards and on , with it in the # 2 bolt or second set up ? Thanks again and Happy New Years to you and your family. All Hail Bungee !!!
If they are dead on a 20 then you can just switch to bolt to and true it at 30 50 Etc and so on. If they are off at 20 you will need to physically adjust it at 20 using the little allen wrench screws and then true it at 30 and 50 and so on. I hope that helps!
Hey, Rich. I have a burning question. Does the bear that Genevieve mounted have a grin on it's face? Ummm, asking for a friend. 🤔
Lol yep, happy to be here
Great video I enjoyed it. I have to 😊when they say battery life. 😂
Sorry for your woe's. Electronic scopes take a lot of patience in my experience. I am bald on top because I have pulled all my hair out.
LOL I'm getting right there with you that's for sure
Something I noticed with my Burris and battery drain was how far away my Bluetooth button was. if it’s on or near the crossbow, I don’t have battery drain. But I left the Bluetooth button inside while target practicing and it drained the battery by half. Maybe not the fix everybody wants, but it did solve my problem. Hope I helped!
Interesting, thank you for this
Sig Sauer BDX system works well on my Sub1 this will be season 3 and I have to change the battery. Its at 50 percent. I have the 3.5 x 10 x 42 scope not the package Sig and Mission used to originally create the program software for the scopes to be compatible for use on crossbows.
I have been looking at that one, among maybe 3 others. Nice to know you mounted a Sig on a bow as that was one of my question marks.Halo made a perfect one but it's out of production. And PARD makes one with night vision capabilities. Burris also makes another one called the eliminator in a more traditional low profile scope but it seems VERY complicated.
I like when it works is not much of an endorsement. When you have multiple ones that work perfectly for 10+ years, get back to me. Everything that's been shared so far seems like a headache. I don't mind paying extra for something that works. Nothing about this inspires confidence in the product.
At least it's my honest feedback, unfortunately that's all I have LOL if I was working for the company I would have stopped in November of last year, telling you how great it was haha
Rich I am interested in getting a Burris Oracle but hearing about all the problems I think I will wait until they get all the problems worked out of it Don’t want to have a really nice buck present a shot to me and miss because the scope malfunctioned. Not going to do it. Good. luck this year .
Can't argue with that!
Halo Hyper-X was supposed to come out at the same time as the Oracle X and the Garmin. Of the 3 it had the best form factor, and price... But unfortunately it never was released. Super unfortunate because it was the competition that the Oracle X needed...
Who made that one?
All hail, Bunjie X1! And now three Oracle Xs. Does the X in the Burris name imply it's dead? LOL
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Rich , I see you use target points to sight your Oracle X in , do your broadheads hit the same impact? Great video. 3:13
I use the Swhackers, 150gr 3" crossbow broadheads and on most of our crossbows they hit the same as the field points. But NOT on the new SWAT X1 I'm using now! They hit a bit low, and the further out I go the more noticeable it is. But one of the cool things about the Burris Oracle X is that I can set it up for two different arrow setups. So on that crossbow, I use the BOLT 2 setting for the Swhackers, since they're dead on at 20, and it worked perfectly this year. They are dead on at 60 out of that crossbow, and if I go back to field points I can just switch back to BOLT 1. Pretty cool!
Absolutely love this scope the only problem I had with it last year was when it got cold it acted funny then died not long after but never had any problems since or anything
Maybe those batteries don't like the cold but then again neither do I haha
All good suggestions! Mine worked flawless last season. Shot at 4 deer. Killed 4 deer. We'll see how it goes on season 2?
That is great to hear! Fingers crossed! For both of us LOL
This is all due to you killing the 2nd most famous groundhog in Pennsylvania
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Electrical things can and often do have whats called a parasitic draw. It is an electrical issue and Burris should not over look it. That’s discerning a little bit.
But that said with you now with 5 or 6 and others with whom knows how many eventually they will fix it all up in 10-20 years.
That maybe a good time for me to get one hahahahahaha. By the way i think i heard Bunjie snickering about the scope issues. Just saying hahahahahaha.
All seriousness Rich i hope these work out for you and i hope they do rectify these issues because they are not cheap scopes not by any means. They are over 1100.00 here in canada for 1 i was considering buying one until you and others listed issues. Really glad i have that old Shadowzone. I even had issues with the DLX’s once. Man i hope this scope of mine lasts beyond my years.
Great points, parasitic draw sounds like a good term for sure
@@Deathbybunjie it is the first thing that came to my mind when i heard you mention it.
Dammit!!!
😁🙃🤔
Does the scope have angle compensation for steep uphill/downhill shots and if it does, have you tested the accuracy for those uphill/downhill shots?
Yes it does, it's the same as any rangefinder, and when it works, the accuracy is spot on
I suspect the Burris scope has its own ability to set the correct angle compensation program due to its ability to correctly adjust the site for different yardages.
The angle compensation on range finders usually produces a cosine error due to not being able to program the speed and arrow weight into the compensation program. If a person had the ability to program their rangefinder with the correct speed and arrow weight, then the angle compensation would be correct for that bow. Even if your Burris range finding scope does produce a cosine error, it won't be near as noticeable due to the speed of your new Hyper-Bunjie.
On a vertical bow with slower speeds, an angle compensating range finder can be noticeably off at longer distances at steep angles. @@Deathbybunjie
You look like a Burris dealer with all those boxes in the first scene 😂
Lol
Your “ I don’t read the manual” statement sounds like an admission of guilt almost to you figuring out what went wrong with the first scope 😂. I also don’t read manuals- i feel like i’m smart enough to figure it out all by myself. Guilty as charged
LOL but this isn't really a manual, it's a pamphlet haha pretty easy to read
@@Deathbybunjie Gentleman, I know we are men. We don't ask for directions and we don't read manuals! However, I have decided that at 68yrs old that I am a digital immigrant in the land of digital
natives!! Soooooo when it comes to anything electronic, I'm readin the manual!!!
@@DeathbybunjieJust ask Genevieve, she'll know how to get it done.
The trajectory of the newer crossbows is staggering at those higher speeds. My Barnett Recurve Crossbow shoots a medium weight arrow around 450 grains pretty flat to 25 yards which is about my max to hit a deer before it can move an insane amount before the arrow arrives. Still have to aim low. Guessing at those longer ranges, deer may actually react to the sound of the arrow more than the crossbow which they may not react to at all at those longer distances.
I guess I would never have to worry about having these issues. The cost is the biggest factor, then having to watch a video on how to fix things if they start going bad. It is sad that you had to do a video on this, when Burris should have something already posted on their website for these issues.. It is nice to hear they are good to work with, but it sure doesn't help when you are hunting and miss or especially wound a deer due to a malfunction of a very expensive scope. Would this not be the same as the car situation you spoke about a few years back and how you would never own another "Chevy"?
That Trailblazer had a lot more issues than the scope haha, remember I got a good season out of that scope and it worked perfectly. The Trailblazer left me stranded an hour from home because the tumbler broke and you couldn't turn the key. This was after the odometer broke at 17,000 miles. Keys and odometers have been in cars since they started making cars lol
I guess your right. Would it make a difference if the malfunction happened at the time of wounding a deer and not finding it? Seems like a lot of hassle for something you really want to work and is very expensive. I guess I am just grumpy today. Good Luck with Burris and keep us up to date. @@Deathbybunjie
@@burkstwelve that would 100% make a difference oh, and it is definitely something on my mind. You can bet I will be watching this thing closely!
What’s your opinion on the nocks for the x1. Lot of forums say flat nocks more accurate. And on the killer instinct video says either can be used. One eye archer said on crossbow forum that for lighted nocks go with flat nocks I saw.
Hey George! I originally tried flat lighted nocks from the X1 years ago. They shot ok but had center serving wear. I have been shooting the same GTC nocks Rich has and they shoot phenomenal and no serving wear. Another one that works great in the tenpoint Alpha Blaze. Hope this helps!
@@one-eyedarcher that’s helps. Wasn’t sure what to use. That might have been and old discussion on that crossbow forum from years ago. Time to head to the luminok website. Again. Lol. Thanks for the info.
George meet Jim, Jim meet George. I hunted with George and shot with Jim in the 60 Yard Backyard. The three of us gotta hunt together one day. Like at a Meat & Greet or something.
@@Deathbybunjie Absolutely!! We will have to figure something out. 👍
Thank you sir this reinforced my mind no scope on my cross bow
Geez, you got to have a scope LOL
@@Deathbybunjie I'm still having trouble getting a new string maybe after that I can try the scope thank you sir
First of let me say i enjoy your videos and always look forward to see new ones. Keep up the good work guys!!!! IMO Burris scope is fun and good to have for target practice and why wouldn’t be wright, but when it come down to practicality not sooo much. Im just not seeing it withstand the abuse that it will go through in the field and at the other hand it’s big and will make awkward to move around freely in the woods. I do believe we as humans tempt to over think simplicity and it’s never good or better outcome. Simple been working for years and it will continue to work many years to come. As my Grandfather said “keep it simple stupid”
My x1 has an issue with the foot stirrup screws not staying tight. I have to keep tightening both screws. Have you noticed this. Otherwise I love it.
Blue lock-tite
I don't think they're supposed to be tight, mine are pretty loose but it allows me to adjust it as needed. I put my foot on the Stirrup and adjust it when I stand the crossbow up and it sits there perfectly. Personally, I wouldn't change a thing with that.
The screws will fall out if I don’t constantly tighten them. Can’t lock tight them because the stirrup won’t move if I do that. I’ve lost a screw twice.
Sounds like a redesign is in order for that stirrup
To many buzzers and whistles for me. I'll stick to my Twilight DLX on my Matrix 355. Great combination. Great video for those that own them.
Matrix 355 the perfect crossbow
Have used the Omega rangefinding scope
No but it's interesting!
do you have one or no?
@@jeffhays1968 no was looking at maybe getting one
@@hermantaylor178 I have been doing some research on crossbow compatible ranging scopes and had not seen that one yet. Thanks for the tip.
Is it the vibrations that kill it over time???if you only shoot it couple times during hunting season maybe Burris last longer ???but repeat shooting like couple hundred shots in an afternoon ,just can't handle the vibrations????I run an HHA TETRA on my phoenix for 3d shooting and I noticed at end of day one pin on tetra working its way out?easy to push back in ,but I emailed HHA ,had to send to them ,they pushed pin in ,sent it back and few weeks later got another one new in package, haven't opened yet but I'm assuming it will do same thing???? Hard to say how many shots have been thru all original phoenix.
I wonder about the vibration, we'll see how it handles different crossbows over time
@Deathbybunjie crossbow scope rails seem to be designed like a diving board?my thought is the lighter the diver the less the board will move???that Burris looks like a big old diver out that board lol
So are we all placing bets to when this one does same thing ????? Excaliber replaced my matrix scope with overwatch scope that has 100 yard luminated circles and its been working sweet everytime ???
What happened to The Matrix scope?
@@Deathbybunjie it was original tact zone ,it still held zero and would light up I just noticed around edge of glass inside scope was getting blurry ?called excalibur they said send it in and a week later got brand new overwatch scope rings and flip ups ,gotta say it's pretty sweet upgrade.