Thanks for producing these guides! I've been lucky to be able to visit Noble Knight in person over the last decade, first in Janesville, now in Madison. We really enjoyed their 25th anniversary celebration last year.
I just retired my sunkeeper and never used defensive stance. My party was just to impatient und quick so that I needed the movement to get into position 😁 Loved the class and picked similarly cards as you recommended but used heal instead to mitigate reduced shield.
Yeah, that can happen depending on group composition. I used defensive stance most of the time, and found the comfortable shoes to actually be really beneficial.
1. Upgrade your defensive stance for 2 shields because that's awesome 2. Enhance all your move cards with +1 mv so you can actually do your job of opening doors
Love the Sunkeeper. Played it 4 times already. I will say this about Scales of Justice. In 4 player games, having Retaliate3 is in-freaking-sane. I absolutely recommend it. Go in with Aegis to make it Ret 4 or if your really rich 5, and just watch as things like Vermlings just melt at you. But 2 and 3 player games then its not as good
It's worth what It's worth, I always play weapon of purity for the bottom, move and attack ok bottom are a great upgrade to total damage output. And at any player count ( we played Sun a couple of time now) I never take the level 6 cards. I usually go back and either take Burning Flash or Scales of Justice. For enhencements, Light generation on bottom Tactical Order works well at lower levels.
I found that getting the rolling modifier heal 1 cards was really helpful with this class. As a full tank build you take so little damage that the heals can sustain you throughout an entire scenario even when you're in the thick of it. Removing poison before an actual heal can be a pretty big deal. What really puts the icing on the cake though is removing wound. An extra 1 damage per turn is a significant increase in damage taken for this class and should be removed quickly. A lucky removal negating the need to go for a heal will do wonders for your tempo. Sure you increase the odds of drawing a miss, but if you enable your party to focus more on damage I don't think you're really losing any damage.
@@JC-fp8wy Agreed. I didn't use it on my Sunkeeper (since I found the rolling heals was enough). I think I used a helm to generate light which was useful.
Uh perfect! Just the class I will play the next (ok, first I have to watch an ally exhaust 12 more times... and we play 2player..^^ But after that, I will play the sun :)) Nice vid again, love it! Would you recommend enhancing a move you use fairly often with a light? Saw this on a few guides out there. I will probably start on 4 or 5 (we're prosp 4 right now, but probably 5 till then, and because she is not a fast leveler I will probably start her at highest level possible)
Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment. It is appreciated! If you start on 4 or 5 I wouldn't use an enhancement for that, probably more effective to enhance something else.
5:46 i play the digital version of the game (i have been playing for not long so im a noob) but the minor stamina poiton gives back only 1 card and the sunkeeper's card gives back 2 (or 3), i recently unlocked this class and want to try it instead of the brute as a tank so i appreciate your guide this character looks the best and has the best color theme in the game so far
Stamina potions were nerfed in digital and in the Jaws of the Lion expansion to recover one less card. It's still broken and op, just not as much as in normal gloomhaven
@@kbzoncapo777 they were also nerfed from the second print of Gloomhaven onwards. I gotmy version of Gloomhaven 2020 and minor Stamina only gives 1 card
I play this class completely as a turtle.. With card combos and items gotten it up to 8 shields and 5 retaliate for a round certain monster card draws they just kill themselves…
Yeah, I don't think I would play the Scales of Justice top for Retaliate, except just in this case I am in now, where I play in a party with the Music Note character playing a certain level 4 song.
maybe when recalling synergies with other classes, you could show their symbol? It's not a spoiler after all;) Someone who watches the character guide does not have your knowledge and is looking for it on this channel ...
I think it's a fine idea and wouldn't be a lot of work, however I think that some people may be offended by even putting the symbol in. I'll see if I can put a subscriber poll up and if the majority want something like that, I'll start adding it in. Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
This character cannot tank when paired with multiple very fast classes. Tried this in a game with a Scoundrel, Brain, and Two Minis. Went last or second to last nearly every turn. Need some slower friends and some ranged to make this work. Regardless though, her initiative needs buffing big time.
That party is very fast and melee focused lol not surprised you had some trouble tanking... although in that party you probably didn't really even need to!
@@neuralnetgames6540 Yeah, for sure. Had just unlocked her and wanted to try her out, but that is a fast group. Still though, I'd like to see some buffs to her initiative if she's expected to tank. Love your videos by the way. Keep up the good work!
holy strike isn't a good card??! it's a superb card lol. enhance it with wound and you have a cheap killer card. initiative sucks yeah, but do you know you can pair it with a fast card? ;) also empowering command is not a minor potion, right... it's 10x times better. man, do you miss the value?? you can not only prolong a party member way much longer, you can give them top cards back 2,3 or 4 times back to back with items. that's excellent crowd/area control. you don't have to pair burning flash with another card to take it, it depends on your party, if they are able to produce elements and if they use them or which enemies you face (many of them also produce elements and you are glad to consume it before they'll do). very powerful with most other classes. wrongest thing you think is how scales of justice work. plus 2 retaliate is much bigger than the loss of 1 attack. you don't always hit but you mostly tank. also, enhance it, it isn't that expensive and you have 3 retaliate. paired with bright aegis and maybe swordedge armor is 6 damage per enemy... get in the crowd and tank with shields from cards and maybe armor. you are doing 18-30 damage easily once per room. i hope you overthink those cards/combos and imagine possible combos or situations and you will be way more effective and have much more fun :) cheers
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Thanks for producing these guides! I've been lucky to be able to visit Noble Knight in person over the last decade, first in Janesville, now in Madison. We really enjoyed their 25th anniversary celebration last year.
I just retired my sunkeeper and never used defensive stance. My party was just to impatient und quick so that I needed the movement to get into position 😁
Loved the class and picked similarly cards as you recommended but used heal instead to mitigate reduced shield.
That totally works too, so many viable ways to play!
Yeah, that can happen depending on group composition. I used defensive stance most of the time, and found the comfortable shoes to actually be really beneficial.
just let them die until they learn to follow the marching order.
thanks for all ur reasonings & explanations - excellent foresight!
1. Upgrade your defensive stance for 2 shields because that's awesome
2. Enhance all your move cards with +1 mv so you can actually do your job of opening doors
Love the Sunkeeper. Played it 4 times already. I will say this about Scales of Justice. In 4 player games, having Retaliate3 is in-freaking-sane. I absolutely recommend it. Go in with Aegis to make it Ret 4 or if your really rich 5, and just watch as things like Vermlings just melt at you. But 2 and 3 player games then its not as good
It's worth what It's worth, I always play weapon of purity for the bottom, move and attack ok bottom are a great upgrade to total damage output.
And at any player count ( we played Sun a couple of time now) I never take the level 6 cards. I usually go back and either take Burning Flash or Scales of Justice.
For enhencements, Light generation on bottom Tactical Order works well at lower levels.
Awesome video, as always! Sun will likely be the next class I play, so this video made me excited!
Hope you enjoy it!
And thanks for always watching and taking the time to comment. I see you a lot on my videos and know that it is greatly appreciated!!!
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Great video as always! Also, when did you get over two thousand subs? That kind of happened overnight
Thank you! Made 2k some time in August!
I found that getting the rolling modifier heal 1 cards was really helpful with this class. As a full tank build you take so little damage that the heals can sustain you throughout an entire scenario even when you're in the thick of it. Removing poison before an actual heal can be a pretty big deal. What really puts the icing on the cake though is removing wound. An extra 1 damage per turn is a significant increase in damage taken for this class and should be removed quickly. A lucky removal negating the need to go for a heal will do wonders for your tempo. Sure you increase the odds of drawing a miss, but if you enable your party to focus more on damage I don't think you're really losing any damage.
I liked the Amulet of Life for this reason. When I needed to heal, I could use the amulet's heal 1 to remove any poison I may have from tanking.
@@JC-fp8wy Agreed. I didn't use it on my Sunkeeper (since I found the rolling heals was enough). I think I used a helm to generate light which was useful.
I think the "consume dark: create light" element of daybreak is very flavorful. Cant rely on your party, but it's perfect against night demons
its counterpart is the eclipse using "consume light: create dark." There is a very useful ring for this pair
Great vid! What tweaks to that deck would make for a Sunkeeper teamed up with a Spellweaver and Mindthief?
Uh perfect! Just the class I will play the next (ok, first I have to watch an ally exhaust 12 more times... and we play 2player..^^ But after that, I will play the sun :))
Nice vid again, love it!
Would you recommend enhancing a move you use fairly often with a light? Saw this on a few guides out there.
I will probably start on 4 or 5 (we're prosp 4 right now, but probably 5 till then, and because she is not a fast leveler I will probably start her at highest level possible)
Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment. It is appreciated! If you start on 4 or 5 I wouldn't use an enhancement for that, probably more effective to enhance something else.
For the moon class, for the card spirits of the night, can you kill an enemy anywhere? What is the range? ( for the top action if you use the dar)
Thx
5:46 i play the digital version of the game (i have been playing for not long so im a noob) but the minor stamina poiton gives back only 1 card and the sunkeeper's card gives back 2 (or 3), i recently unlocked this class and want to try it instead of the brute as a tank so i appreciate your guide this character looks the best and has the best color theme in the game so far
Stamina potions were nerfed in digital and in the Jaws of the Lion expansion to recover one less card. It's still broken and op, just not as much as in normal gloomhaven
@@kbzoncapo777 they were also nerfed from the second print of Gloomhaven onwards. I gotmy version of Gloomhaven 2020 and minor Stamina only gives 1 card
I play this class completely as a turtle.. With card combos and items gotten it up to 8 shields and 5 retaliate for a round certain monster card draws they just kill themselves…
lol yep that will work
Righteous Strength top actually needs a bless.
The problem I run into with Retaliate is that so many enemies my party faces are ranged attackers and against them it does nothing.
Yeah, I don't think I would play the Scales of Justice top for Retaliate, except just in this case I am in now, where I play in a party with the Music Note character playing a certain level 4 song.
The level 1 stun can use poison or wound.
maybe when recalling synergies with other classes, you could show their symbol? It's not a spoiler after all;) Someone who watches the character guide does not have your knowledge and is looking for it on this channel ...
I think that’s a great idea! Would be some extra editing but would be pretty helpful for more novice players
I think it's a fine idea and wouldn't be a lot of work, however I think that some people may be offended by even putting the symbol in. I'll see if I can put a subscriber poll up and if the majority want something like that, I'll start adding it in. Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
This character cannot tank when paired with multiple very fast classes. Tried this in a game with a Scoundrel, Brain, and Two Minis. Went last or second to last nearly every turn. Need some slower friends and some ranged to make this work. Regardless though, her initiative needs buffing big time.
That party is very fast and melee focused lol not surprised you had some trouble tanking... although in that party you probably didn't really even need to!
@@neuralnetgames6540 Yeah, for sure. Had just unlocked her and wanted to try her out, but that is a fast group. Still though, I'd like to see some buffs to her initiative if she's expected to tank.
Love your videos by the way. Keep up the good work!
Sun is fun, only stuggles against ranged, and lacks multitarget. Long spears helps though.
Definitely one of the most essential items!
Scales of justice is so good enhanced.
Yea it is fun!
holy strike isn't a good card??! it's a superb card lol. enhance it with wound and you have a cheap killer card. initiative sucks yeah, but do you know you can pair it with a fast card? ;)
also empowering command is not a minor potion, right... it's 10x times better. man, do you miss the value?? you can not only prolong a party member way much longer, you can give them top cards back 2,3 or 4 times back to back with items. that's excellent crowd/area control.
you don't have to pair burning flash with another card to take it, it depends on your party, if they are able to produce elements and if they use them or which enemies you face (many of them also produce elements and you are glad to consume it before they'll do). very powerful with most other classes.
wrongest thing you think is how scales of justice work. plus 2 retaliate is much bigger than the loss of 1 attack. you don't always hit but you mostly tank. also, enhance it, it isn't that expensive and you have 3 retaliate. paired with bright aegis and maybe swordedge armor is 6 damage per enemy... get in the crowd and tank with shields from cards and maybe armor. you are doing 18-30 damage easily once per room.
i hope you overthink those cards/combos and imagine possible combos or situations and you will be way more effective and have much more fun :)
cheers
Why taking remove negative item effects if you dont recommend an armor?
Lots of items I didn't recommend that doesn't mean don't use them... take and use whatever armor you have access too!
23:27 Im not sure how to get 7 or 8 Stuns out of Scales of Justice Bottom?? Can anybody explain?
if you rest and keep this card in game and play over and over again for the same action.
Aegis = ejus. not eguis.