STOP BURNING CARDS!! - Gloomhaven hand management guide
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
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Lets dive into exhaustion and why burning cards early in a scenario might explain why you are coming up short in that final room.
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00:00 Intro
00:55 Stamina and burns
06:53 Scenario length
09:21 When to burn
12:07 Starting character examples
13:26 Character specific tips
22:28 Outro
#gloomhaven #boardgame #gloomhavendigital #digitalboardgames #tabletop - Ігри
I've just started playing the PC version with no previous experience with the tabletop game, and I was blown away by the steep learning curve, complexity and complete lack of "holding your hand". Your channel and these videos have by FAR been the best learning for a newcomer as my self and i really do appreciate the simple way you explain and follow up with supporting visuals. You got yourself a new subscriber and I cannot wait to see what follows in the future from your side!
That's very kind of you to say man. Thanks for watching and I'm happy I've helped you get into this amazing game ☺️
I'm in the same boat. This game is hard as fuck. I'm trying to sort of think of it as jacked up darkest dungeon.
Game is hardcore alright, I can't pass the tutorial and there seems to be zero information on how to do it.
One can make so many mistakes without knowing it was a mistake, so improving is quite hard without some insight on how to play efficent.
@@cocoonman Darkestest Dungeon
Thanks for this information! Friends and i are trying the digital edition. so nice to learn some tips, tricks, and the mechanics and flow of the game.
This video is just what I needed! Thank you for the fantastic job!
Awesome! I'm happy you found it useful :)
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to make this. Your general tips about how burning affects your hand and then specific examples about cards was an excellent strategy for maximized learning
Thanks for the nice comment glad you found the information useful!
The best video for newbies. Hand managememt is crucial to play GH properly.
Excellent guide that I would recommend for all beginners, having done similar calculations for my gaming group to highlight the impact of burns when we first started out. The minor stamina potion and it’s big brother when unlocked are key items for most characters 😊
Exhaustion, the hidden killer in Gloomhaven. Glad you liked the video man thanks for the comment.
It’s videos like this that make me realize what an amateur I am. I’m just moving around the board killing things. 😞
Sounds like a very good start! I'm just moving around the board getting killed. 😜
Hey if it works then you must be doing something right.
Thanks for this video. It was very helpful! I had not been using long rest much, and now I realize how valuable it can be, especially before opening a door.
No problem glad you found it useful! its not really obvious at first, but I wanted to show how quickly you can exhaust through just little things that might seem fine as a new player.
@@MandatoryQuest I also just got Jaws of the Lion board game and I'm introducing my wife to Gloomhaven. She is enjoying it so far, and the long rest really helped us last night.
Great analysis.Thank you!
Thanks for making these videos - this is the hardest turn-based tactics game I've ever played and I would have bounced off of the beginning levels without a guide. Now I'm having a lot of fun!
Awesome to hear you gave the game a chance, its so much fun once you get past that initial learning curve.
Very helpful, between this and your 'walkthrough' of scenario 1 and 2 should help me to get some momentum. Thanks! 🙂🥦🦖
Nice glad to have helped
I'm watching this a second time with my notepad handy. Thanks for the great info both here and on your channel.
Your welcome thanks for watching!
thanks mate for the indept math about how this works always interresting. Also helped me wrap my head around some time management issues I was having. CHeers.
Great video man, cheers!!
agreed on the 16-24 rounds estimate. that's my experience as well.
personally, i use burns in the last room or at the start. at the start because it's some sort of persistent passive. i also think kill enemy burns are worth it as more enemies get shields and higher hp. for the starting classes, i enjoy playing (brute, mind thief, spellweaver), here's how i schedule my burns:
1. spellweaver- i pack 6 burns + reviving ether and 1 non-burn. i use all 6 burns and reviving ether on the 1st rotation and then on the last turn before i exhaust. with long resting that gets me 21 turns before i exhaust (5 LRs).
2. mind thief- i pack 2 burns. i use both burns in the 1st rotation and then on the last turn before i exhaust. with long resting that gets me 23 turns before i exhaust (6 LRs). i discard the augments in play before i LR then i just re-play them.
3 brute- i pack 3 burns. i use all burns in the 1st rotation and then on the last turn before i exhaust. with long resting that gets me 19 turns before i exhaust (5 LRs).
Noice! I really like the pace and tone of this video a lot. Spoken in an instructive, clear and not too rapid way to make it very easy to understand. Of course the content is pure fire, thanks!
Cheers buddy
The basic math is: your hand size right after rests becomes smaller when the number of burned cards increases. Therefore, the number of rounds you play between rests becomes smaller. Take Scoundrel as an example: if you never use abilities that burn cards, the rounds you play between rests can be listed as 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 (very simple math, you can count yourself). That means you would play 4 rounds, rest, then play another 4 rounds, rest, then play 3 rounds, et cetera. Every time you play a card burning ability (or burn a card to prevent damage), you will shorten this number list by one number, and the catch is: you will lose number of rounds (without counting long rests) equal to the leftmost number of your remaining number list.
If you don't quite understand, let me give you a simple example. Still as Scoundrel, you are playing your first 4 rounds. Your remaining number list is 4 3 3 2 2 1 1. If you play a burning card ability within these 4 rounds , after rest, your hand size would be 7 instead of 8. You can see now the number of your rounds between rests becomes 3 3 2 2 1 1 instead of 4 3 3 2 2 1 1! YOU LOSE 4 ROUNDS BY PLAYING THIS SINGLE CARD! (note: I don't count long rests.)
Another opposite example is to play the burning card at the last round, meaning you only have 2 un-burned cards. You can easily see that no matter how you play you will get exhausted anyway. You can play card burning abilities on both cards, and you basically don't lose any rounds, because you have none left! There is no remaining number list anymore.
The point is, as a general rule, the earlier you burn cards, the more rounds you will lose. Therefore, if you want to burn a card early in the game, you really need a strong reason to justify that ability.
I personally play Scoundrel a lot at +1 difficulty. With a starting hand size of 9, normally I will try avoiding burning cards early, or just burning Single Out as a lasting buff if I have no other things to do, and save those high burst damage cards towards the end for the stronger enemies or bosses. Normally I can get by comfortably by doing that. Therefore, I can say, for my level of playing, I can afford to lose about 3-5 rounds in total as Scoundrel. Then, based on that fact, I think if I am playing Tinkerer, I wouldn't mind burning 1 or even 2 cards at the beginning because even after that the number of my total rounds is still much higher than the maximum of Scoundrels. (burning 2 cards brings Tinkerer's number list from 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 to 6 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1, still 6 rounds more than Scoundrels').
Unrelated comment: for me, I would say Single Out is still worth considering as Scoundrel. Use that card at an empty round so you don't need to waste more important rounds to cast that buff. Losing 3-4 rounds is definitely endurable in my party. You can long rest more and use stamina potion to catch up. That constant buff can really help at many occasions and is a source of more exps. If you always ONLY use Smoke Bomb and Backstab at the very end, you are basically saying Scoundrel almost cannot afford to lose any rounds, and that is not true based on my experience.
14:40
We started GH after finishing JOTL from march 2021 to september 2021
Lvl 3 brute (me) lvl 2 scoundrel/crag/tink
Our scoundrel luckily drew the personal quest for 12 exhausts haha
So he loves using his burns regularly to absolutely decimate early rooms and exhaust just into the last
Luckily i as the brute am very good at avoiding burns and long resting. And our Tink always tries to combine with brute to do the "recover your discarded cards" card for the first or 2nd major rest cycle to allow brute (or crag) to go longer to make up for scoundrel going out earlier
Tink and crag also long rest regularly
I love the game but it doesn't hold your hand at all! The advice in this guide is solid and useful, particularly re the scoundrel who I was having a real tough time stopping her get exhausted. Such a great game and the nuances to character development and play are such a refreshing change from the 'let's make it sooooooooo easy' games that seem to be the norm nowadays.
Glad you found the info useful. I too relish more of a challenge especially on these types of games.
this informations are super helpful for a GH/FH Beginner like me. Pets do a FH + GH JotL List as well. I played Jotl 2 yrs ago and it was fine. But now I am 12 scenarios into FH and I have failed a few now because of stamina (Fist+Kalp)
Excellent and very useful. Very frustrated with my poor performance in this game, and put it away because I can't get anywhere. But this will help.
Mando doing the LORD's work. Thanks man! This channel is going to explode now.
One the Lord does the Lord's work though.
Just asked yesterday on twitch stream. Thank you as I think this info is core for playing GH! Like
Hehe I tried really hard to not basically just say the video yesterday on stream :)
Excellent explanation!
Glad you found it useful :)
As always, thanks dude!
No worries man thanks for watching
Hi,
First scenario first game Tinkerer entering last room late and playing Summons extended my survival time in the face of the archers as the Summons attracted attacks. Others all lay around exhausted (bad tinkerer) as I dispatched the last denizen with the first card of my last round before exhaustion. We could not have won through without the Summons and having saved Ink bomb and another multiple effect card to burn. I spent the start of the second room being frustrated trying to set up Proximity Mine which I dearly wished to employ in combination with my push card but it was just to hard to set up so I liked what you said about Tinkerers traps.
This is a very helpful video to get a bit more of an idea of how to play within our party towards our strengths while working together. I will watch it again before our Friday game where we will try and complete scenario two as successfully as our first.
Cheers and good gaming.
Tinkerer is a great flexible character because of the large hand size and lots of useful abilities. You can burn a lot more cards compared to to others.
This was SO helpful!!!
Nice! happy it helped and thanks for watching and commenting ;)
Great video. I'm a newbie to Gloomhaven - Jaws of the lion and war not sure about the cards and item strategy. Thank you 🙏🏻
Hi MQ
Just discovered your channel just after having bought the video game. The board game did not really convince me but it was mostly because it was too long to set up and things seemed to be a bit tricky.
Nice video which explains some of my/our problems. After failing the first try on the "Chained Island", we came back with my strategy of rush and burn in 2 teams focusing mobs without killing them during the 1st round in order to deestroy the Spirits during the 2nd. It was OK but we finally lost because we all missed 1 or 2 cards to get rid of the last mobs.
Your video explains all this and i'll try to stock to it.
Thx also for the tacticas you created for each toon.
Awesome glad your enjoying the game. I do think go quick strategies can work quite well in some scenarios, but Chained Isle is quite a long one with annoying rooms to try and move through. You can lose the whole scenario in a single turn in the first room, and I've had that happen to me quite often too. It's a difficult balancing act in that scenario for sure and it can come down to the wind and night demon ability RnG a bit. Its definitely a scenario I expect everyone to be on their last few cards by the end, no-one is winning that scenario comfortably unless they play on friendly difficulty maybe.
A box organiser is a requirement to enjoying the board game. I bought some screw organiser containers with see through tops and layed out all the monster action cards together with their pop outs in individual trays.
I also put all the map tiles in a ring binder in alphabetical order.
Takes me 15 min to set up. The other players open their boxes and reset their attack modifier decks etcetera during this time.
Great video!
Thanks glad you liked it!
Great video!!! thanks!
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
@@MandatoryQuest, I play mostly the mindthief and You helped me quite a lot. Thanks, from Brazil and congrats!
Been playing with some friends because Epic gave it for free some months ago, played the first scenario and got destroyed, we finished it barely on our fourth attempt ( Its our first tabletop card game) we keep on playing it but decided to look a few videos to see the gameplay in a more profound way, thank you so much for your guides
Glad you gave it another chance, it's a great game once you get to know it :)
Knocking it out the park once again. Well done mando
Glad you liked it!
Extremely helpful.
Awesome thanks for watching
bro tinkerer with his reset cards for ally is sooo good
Yeah he can really get others out of trouble.
I think early levels the tinkerers summon decoy is a great tanking card. It has as much hp as 2 of the classes and can be healed up. Can save a lot of burning cards for damage. It does lose its value pretty fast though.
Well he can get away with a lot of burning so if you can support it then its fine, but taking turns to heal a summon is a good example of a time sink that might not further the scenario goal. I think once you get more comfortable your options do open up, but its an easy pitfall to fall in.
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Me: 'Oh! This video seems interesting! I think I manage my hand pretty well by now, but hey, let's see how MQ explains it!'
First thing you say: 'This is boring'
Me: *feels bad*
Me after seeing the video: *still feeling bad, but having watched a video I enjoyed*
@@mineraldo haha well I figured its never really cool to talk about the numbers behind the game, but in Gloomhaven they really do matter a whole lot!
Yes, I understand xD
I just enjoy this kind of things. I actually did the analysis comparing the tinkerer (me) with my friend's characters when I started to play (mid-campaign). I was the only non lost-advese member of the party for a long time since I did the numbers xD
I even recall my first turn in the first scenario we played after me making the analysis:
Ink Bomb + Power potions + Eagle-eyed googles against 3 targets.
My friend: 'did you just lose a card so early in the scenario?'
Me: 'yes. Thanks to that we've already cleaned nearly all the first room, and I still have more stamina than any of you. Let me be'
Thanks!
You're welcome glad you liked the video
been playing the board game and the video game, and been having a rough time trying to deal with some of the boss battles and making those choices to burn cards to take the boss out quickly since they tend to summon tons of monsters every round. sometimes feels like I can't burn enough cards to kill the boss fast enough before I get exhausted lol.
It helps if you have a big single target damage dealer in your party like a Scoundrel from the starters. You can try and burn them down quick, but a lot of them have tricks up their sleeves to dodge or annoy you. You need to have a good plan for the turn you open the open the boss room, and the following one too so that you can make a big impact quickly.
The Brute's Trample with Ancient Drill and Boots of Striding has saved me on so many occasions so far!
Such a good combo
Ancient drill is too good, definitely end game upgrade to the War Hammer.
@@MandatoryQuest the schematic was in the first handful of campaign mission haha
Spoiler alert
Thanks for the Math and breakdown for us smooth brains this helped my gameplay and when to be greedy lol can u make a vid about best 2man comps or ones you like then if it does well do a 3man and 4man party vids?
Sure I could look at doing a video like that, glad you found the info interesting.
In fact I never burn cards, I calculate it from the beginning! Plus you can buy an item where you can return to your hand one discarded card (not burned) and you'll have one turn extra because of that!!! So usually to do more damage, I activate one card with the infinite symbol ♾ (for example like the next 6 times you attack you add +1 damage, so it is activated for a while and help kill faster)... this way till now I never had to redo the level!!!
Very nice video. Love that you dive into the mathematical analysis and link a turns to exhaustion calculator. I have what might be a niche complaint... the speed of your speech is very slow. I like watching videos on double speed normally, and had to go to about 2.8x to get that same speed here with third party software. Maybe check out how your videos would feel with a 10-40% increase in speed? I know radio stations get some extra engagement by punching up the tempo on songs a bit so maybe it would work for you :) just found the channel so looking forward to checking out your other vids.
Glad you liked the video. Its just the way I talk I'm afraid, and if I speed it up it will sound like a loony tunes episode.
@@MandatoryQuest I actually went back and watched some of your older videos and they all sounded substantially faster. Maybe this one felt like more complex material so you talked more slowly an enunciated very clearly? I'd try listening to yourself on this one at 1.5 or so, doesn't sound loony tunes at all :)
I am a non native speaker, i really like the speechtempo !
I was trying yesterday to play it on pc and the entry point is ridiculously high. After spending a few hours on going through tutorial and then dying twice on the 1st mission by card exhaustion it seems like it' s not for me. The worst game mechanic for me is initiative and planning your turn when u dont know what enemies gonna choose. It takes a lot of time when u do it for the first time and the results may vary from a check mate great combo to total disaster skipping the turn. Great explanation BTW :)
MQ, would you consider doing a video on monster AI? My understanding is that it's pretty transparent to players of the tabletop version, but kind of obscure for digital players that don't have to learn the rules the same way.
I have you covered my guy ua-cam.com/video/GcmZsLTQtkE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MandatoryQuest
Thanks for the great tips MQ! Is your charity speed run of gloomhaven digital going to be on UA-cam?
Yes I’m just editing up a condensed version to post probably Friday :)
Thanks for this guide. I would have also liked some of your thoughts on the stamina potions bc my group is quite confused.
In the english Gloomhaven it states 2/3 Cards
In the german Gloomhaven it states 1/2 Cards
Gloomhaven on Steam also states 1/2 Cards
so which one is it?
We played with 2/3 in the last 1 year and it was still barely manageble. If we have to resume play with that kind of "Nerf" i hope this calculator will help us to control our ressources more efficiently.
In the original couple of printings the stamina potions were 2/3. This was then nerfed in the official FAQ and reduced to only 1/2. This is the current observed rule for digital and future printings. It's likely that the German version you have was printed after the changes.
I still think even with the changes they are must haves for pretty much every character. It's especially the case for those with non-burn stuns or disarms.
@@MandatoryQuest thank you for clarifying it
"Stop Burning Cards"
And then Spellweaver's Reviving Ether literally is the exception to that XD!!!!!
The reason Gloomhaven does not allow multiple of the same class is because 4 Tinkerers would be so powerful, they would break the out of the game and begin to dominate our world.
orrrr because there is only one print of cards and characters and specific attack modifiers. That too lol
Lol tinkerer is actually one of the weakest starting classes. It also doesnt scale very well after level 3 or so. Its cards later on dont particularly have great benefits
Tinkerer actually goes hard in large parties. There is a ton of utility and aoe ranged damage so they can really make the team feel filled out and balanced. In smaller comps, not so much.
@MandatoryQuest ….Spoiler question….. Do you feel its ok to play the two main persistent losses with the 3 spears character or the combo not worth it?
Hmmmm possibly, but with only 9 cards you would be down to only 7 which is only 3 turns so it would make you a bit inflexible I would say. Might be a bit all in but It could work if you fully exploit them both.
@@MandatoryQuest thanks we play with pre nerfed stamina potions. I was hoping i could make it work with a little but not overusing his infinite regain cards.
@@brentnixon834 If you partner him with a certain other unlock able character the combo gets even more disgusting and infinite.
Thanks bruh
No problem
Quick question, is a character unlock permenant or do i have to unlock them for every single campaign ?
Every single campaign. Each campaign is considered its own save with its own progress.
What do u mean by burn one card per cycle?
I m playing Spellweaver just getting into the game.
I keep running out of cards quickly also quite difficult to make the fire combos…any tips pls?
Cycle means per rest so a full cycle would be playing all (or most) of our cards then having to long of short rest to get them back. So with the spellweaver it would be burning fire orbs then playing all your other cards and resting, then burning impaling eruption playing your other cards and resting etc etc. You can be more aggressive than this for sure, but it's a good way to ensure you still get longevity until you're more experienced. For fire it's all on fire orbs early game so make sure you have a plan to use the fire it makes a turn ahead. I also would recommend a mana potion early if you are struggling to make it when needed. It gets much easier in the later levels when you get the fire modifier perks, and the burning avatar summon.
@@MandatoryQuest thanks for the videos and tips man I m level 4 now with Spell weaver and I have googles, piercing bow, mana potion, power potion and cloak of invisibility . But what boots do u recommend to buy for spell weaver ?
@@dvddghost that depends on what enhancements you plan on getting really. Winged shoes are good for the jump but also just standard boots of striding are fine too. If you don't plan on enhancing jump then winged shoes is a fine pickup.
I'm stuck on mission 14. These wolves are killing me. (Spellweaver and brute)
Wolves is the one scenario where you def want to burn one cars, spell should do it with fire orbs, brute should also consider trample as 10 to 9 cards makes next turn still 8 cards for 4 turns. You want to go late and let them come to you
Good non-burn cards are so much stronger than the rest of the cards!
Absolutely hold on to them for dear life!
How bad is it to shortrest when you have 3-4 cards in the deck that are not good for this turn.
Depends really, if you really really need a certain card back from your discard then I don’t mind an early short rest.
Have you done a video on jotl too?
No, but I think most of this info translates to it pretty well, but JoTL is made a little differently with the book rather than tiles. I could look into it but at the moment I’m focussing on digital.
Are Solo Scenarios coded into Digital Campaign?
At the moment no. They might be possible DLC though, or could be modded in at least.
I'm not burning any cards but my scoundrel only last for about ~11 rounds. what am i doing wrong? :o
Do you short rest a lot?
The big trap of the scoundrel and mind thief is being able to go first and run into the melee, the problem is that you are a squish and if all the enemies NPC turn at you with the laser eyes meme you go bye bye real fast. You wanna take the opportunity the first round to go really really slow and carefully choose where you engage after the big movements and damage trading is over, so you can setup to go fast turn 2 and either finish off the enemies near you or poke and run to safety.
Remember sorta like burning cards just cause you can do something doesn't mean its gonna be helpful in the long run. Also dont feel bad if you exhaust 80% of the way through the dungeon if your team is all healthy with large hands left. It means you blitzed the dungeon and are gonna let your team cleanup.
And lastly, if your party has no tanks like our starter party did (spellweaver, tinkerer, mindtheif, scoundrel), dear god retire asap it is such a different game when your party has a functional composition.
Long resting just artificially inflates the number of rounds you are "active". You don't contribute anything to the group when you long rest as you cannot take any actions. Other than being around longer, is that the point? I.e. you're still there to act later on?
There are a lot of dead turns that long rest allows you to fill when enemies are not pressuring you. Don't underestimate the value of the heal 2, reset spent items, and choosing your card to lose too. I can't tell you how many scenarios I've lost because I lost a crucial card to a short rest.
The thing is that health is quite difficult to manage. At the beginning of the game, cards are always burnt because of damage.
That's why using control effects, movement, and other tricks to not be hit are so important. Gloomhaven is often a game about not taking damage just as much as doing damage.
If you burn cards because of damage, maybe try doing some more crowd control in early initiative, or manage initiative to make a double turn and burst ennemy before they hit you (go late, make them move to you out of reach, then go early next round and blast them)
Is there a mod where no cards get burned BUT every round you get 2 random cards instead of choosing 2
I don't think so and that would be probably hard to do as it would require deeper moding.
Stamina og pots allowed u to recover 2 cards. That's insane haha
Yeah waaaay too good
Ha! Too bad! My Paladin's personal goal is to exhaust twelve times 😅
Some people just like to watch the world burn
@@MandatoryQuest Some people just like to burn themselves out*
Don’t forget stamina potions too.
This is why we use potion of stamina...
I love this however I have played this game for awhile back in early release. YOu always use long rest which sucks because basically that character is not doing crap and honestly with brute and scoundrel usuall in the thick of things. My best is surviving 20 maybe 22 rounds. I would enjoy playing with you and seeing how to use which card and how to be better, because sadly u do use a burn card in 1st or second round to prep up.
You should really only be long resting when its safe to do so. This is why tempo and momentum is quite important as you want to be clearing each room then resting before the next. Timing rests is a very important tactic in controlling your stamina.
Long rest times
You wont get beat up
You really need your items refreshed
You definitely want to pick which card you lose
I ALWAYS long rest with brute 9/10 times because of useful the heater shield hide armor and boots of striding are for me (we are only lvl 3)
I must be one of the few in this comment section that had a very negative first impression with this game, to the point I felt like I wasted my time. The combination of the burn system and the super steep difficulty curve is very intimidating, and I feel like a little more in game help would be appropriate. I'll try again with this video because besides the difficulty I can see the potential in this game. I hope I'll have a better time next time.
Trust me your not the only one which is why I made this video. In digital they do a good job of teaching you how the U.I and general mechanics work, but not how to have success really. The game is renown for having a steep learning curve that has put a lot of people off, but if you can get through that an amazing game awaits you.
@@MandatoryQuest Thanks for the help. The most pertinent part of this video was the burning cards section, as that is what was really bothering me. I was able to eventually finish the first two scenarios after a few retries, albeit at easy difficulty, which is big for me.
But yeah, thank you again. What get's me now is the paltry monetary rewards and XP gains, like this game makes you grind and grind for upgrades.
@@MOTat18 you'd be surprised how quickly you will get stuff in the end. It's important to note though that this is an epic narrative boardgame first, so it is slower paced than your average video game.
@@MandatoryQuest By the way, do you know if at a certain point you get space in your hand for one more ability card? It's like I've hit a wall with scenarios and the only thing holding me back is that I don't have enough cards. It's so frustrating, I'm doing Crypt of the Damned and I literally got down to 4 hit points away on the last enemy when I ran out. This has happened so many times to me, it's so frustrating.
@@MOTat18 sorry no the hand limit is always the same as the characters are balanced and designed around that. You do get better cards though. Stamina potions are the only way to reliably get extra card plays on any character.
Problem is, I keep getting slaughtered and need to burn to deflect damage lol
Chances are then you are getting too close to enemies or not playing around initiative. ;)
More than a 20% reduction ia unacceptable.
It’s rough
I feel scoundrel is pretty bad unless you are with 4 or more players.
4 is the maximum party size. She is fine with 3 most of the time, but needs to be played carefully and be paired with at least one other melee character.
Trample + Warhammer..... that's legal? 🙃
Hell yeah!
You said 2:34 spell weaver can revive all other 7 cards, but you have to play 2 cards, so you cannot revive the second card you played. So you can only really revive 6.
Cards are lost or discarded as the action is played. So you can use a loss bottom action, putting all seven cards in your loss. You can than use reviving either top to get back the full 7.
I SUCK! I've only made it past a single seniour... It seems the decks are stacked against me, but I know they are not. Need help!
Honestly find Demeo infinitely better because of this mechanic, the idea that simply walking through a hallway causes exhaustion is moronic. Its way way WAY too harsh IMO sure it makes it more challenging but when fun is taken away to make it challenging its no longer good gamedesign. I simply do not understand why people these days confuse difficulty with entertainmentvalue cause its not the same thing. You can have a hard as balls game that simply sucks at entertaining its players by putting punishing mechanics where it simply doesnt make sense at all. Having no basic movement or basic attack having to spend cards for every single action from picking your nose to full sprint heavy weapon swings, then having no redraw mechanic without recieving heavy penalties is just daft. Sure like Demeo put a cost at heavy attacks or especially fast movement but just walking through a hallway at a normal walking pace makes the game feel like a shitty slug punishing to be punishing rather than to add anything to the experience.
One of my problems with Gloomhaven is you have to discard cards to do anything, even walk 5 feet across a dungeon room.
In fact you could avoid melee combat and still exhaust your character by only walking 50 feet, or skip movement and do nothing but stand during the encounter. Apparently in the GH world everyone needs a nap every 10 minutes! :-)
Yep and its the main thing I think that makes GH unique. In most other dungeon crawlers you'd have mana, energy, or action points to do things and simple actions wont cost much or any. GH is about efficiency and making each turn count, as every turn you take is putting you closer to exhausting and losing.
No way you could long rest every round, you’d get killed quick
Well you cant long rest every round as you'd have no cards to recover. All I'm showing here is the maximum you could get if you long rest every time you are forced to rest because of lack of cards. Its also not actually that hard on normal and easy difficulty to do that, and there is even a battle goal that wants you to do it. Its all just about planning your rests ahead of time so hopefully you don't have to take a lot of short ones and risking losing your key cards.
@@MandatoryQuest ah ok! And thanks for this rundown. I usually am caught between burning that one powerful card or saving it for a better time!
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I absolutely HATE the Burn Mechanic... especially when it comes to doing a Long Rest. It's a terrible mechanic and completely restrictive. I get burning to replace a Hit, but to have to Burn to recycle back in Discarded cards, just absolutely killed this game for me and other friends. It was truly unnecessary, and this game feels more like a "Have to do it this way puzzle" or you fail. I feel like I'm forced to make a decision that should be avoidable. If they alone just lifted that stupid burn on a Long rest, it would have greatly improved the playability.
There is a mod available to remove the burns for cards if you prefer, but the game is balanced around burns being great 1 time use abilities. If burns didn't exist the game would be a cake walk as its currently designed, and the disparity between strength of characters would be huge. Think of them as like ultimate's your character has that can turn the tide of battle, but are risky if used at the wrong time. Having to lose a card at long rest is also specifically to keep the game timer going as player stamina is the clock in this game. If you could rest and not lose cards then everyone would long rest back to back to gain health back. Basically you would have to completely change the game mechanics to support that change and introduce maybe a win in X rounds instead style system.
I totally get what your laying down though, and Gloomhaven is a puzzle game at heart not an RPG which is the vibe it gives off. A lot of people come away with the same impression as you as it is deceiving.
@@MandatoryQuest The second Paragraph hit the nail on the head. I wanted a fun RPG style that it seemed to be... and to me and many of my friends, a choking mechanic of a timer puzzle isn't fun. As for the burn Mechanic on the Long Rest, I would reduce the health gain to 1 or remove it all together, just so I wouldn't have to burn a card. A Short Rest, with having to burn a card would have to bring some other benefit, as of now, it doesn't make any sense to me and just seems more of a draw back. Honestly, the wording should be the other way around: Short Rest: Regain 4 discarded cards, No health gain, initiative 99; Long Rest: Burn a Card, regain All discard cards, Gain 2 Health, Initiative 99. Something to that effect, which provides the player the choice to burn or not per what they feel they need.
I'm just actually shocked that through play-testing, this burn mechanic was still seemed "good" for the game. I'm not a fan of Forced mechanics like this... I believe in giving players more of a choice, more freedom. There's plenty of other ways to balance a game... restricting critical mechanics/options shouldn't be one of them.
@@VielofDarkness I think its just not the style of game your looking for. Its the number 1 board game for a reason as many people like that push pull / risk reward element of the stamina system. It makes Gloomhaven unique which is why I personally love it.
@@MandatoryQuest Sorry, but even if a game is #1, doesn't mean it can't benefit from some criticism, and it doesn't mean it's a flawless design. Fact is, it frustrated me and a lot of friends that love board games... to try to invalidate a common frustration is to remain naïve. If the Developers are fine with shrinking their potential player base... that's on them... not the potential players.
@@VielofDarkness I'm not saying that at all. They have made a design decision and stuck to it which a lot of people like. Like I've said the game clearly just isn't to your taste which is absolutely fine. You don't have to like every game and every game doesn't have to tailor to everyone. It's like arguing that a food you don't like should change its taste to just please you. if they made the changes you suggest personally I would hate the game. It's different strokes for different folks. I would just move on and not lose any sleep over it.
It's a hard game and all, I'm willing to accept and learn it for what it is and maybe even end up liking it. But I will never understand the design idea behind asking the player to play 2 cards to get to the door. I know this will offend a lot of fans of the game but it's one of the stupidest mechanics I've seen in a turn based strategy game. I would rather have a harder game than a insanely annoying one.
That's a reasonable criticism but it all contributes to the card stamina system. If you could just get to the door for free then a lot of movement abilities would be less useful too. I think its fair to say its a bit annoying or boring, but the same can be said with looting to be honest and it all builds into the general action economy. I like the idea of "speed" Gloomhaven though that maybe shortcuts that stuff, but it would have to be a variant or spin off game maybe.
Why am I watching this? I have 500 hours in gloomhaven, both digital, irl, and TTS lol
Maybe I just dig the accent
Haha love you ;)
why you are telling me your life?, just let me know how tf i need to play to not burn a fkn card.
yup, this is boring, i would much rather 'feel' my way through whether a burn is important or not. just gauge the number of enemies remaining, or the value of an early burn for like a passive effect like flame shroud or overwatch. almost never burn midway through a level unless they stick a really nasty monster there compared to the rest of the map. and that's it. if you lose try again, stop with this statistical nonsense