Do you know of another chest rig that can take 8 Pmags I just gotmy today and try to put my two steel mag together, however they didn’t going in all way
@@kennyzayas9355 Yeah, I can't fit 8 mags in this rig either. Randal said "8 steel Mags". I am using poly mags, they are thicker. That is the problem. They are the same size at the Mag well section, thicker at the grip.
Iraq '03 I ran eight on my LBV, 6 in a drop leg rig, and 8 more in my pack. I ran out once. Can never have too much as long as you can still move effectively.
Finally someone who makes sense. Same rig I run. Seen too many men weighted down with nonsense. 8 mags minimum, good knife, water, light and don't give a fook attitude.
@@redrusso9836exactly so many people even vets saying they only carried 3 and 1 in the gun . Man you were a member of the most powerful military had machine gunners for suppressive fire and air support . If the SHTF were on our own no one is bringing ammo or coming too save us you better have enough too at least break contact and escape .
At USMC TBS in 1982 we had to read the book, "A soldiers load and the Mobility of a Nation" by S.L.A Marshall. Loading down a warrior, significantly reduces their combat effectiveness. While effectively taking data from amphibious assaults and jungle warfare, the loss of 40-50% of troops due to weight carried, can limit overall success. They also told us at TBS, don't expect a miracle "resupply" of ammo, water or chow like you get during training. Good Info. Thanks and Semper Fi.
This^ book is still probably required reading but then the Matrix wipes up their mouths with it after servicing the CCP for coin. Well said Semper Fidelis Bible and ⚔️.
It’s heartening to see the shift in the mindset of the minuteman from CQB to more patrol/reconnaissance. I was guilty of running a micro rig and a 10.5” AR for a while until I started to really to think about it. Not that those aren’t viable options depending on the situation.
It's a shift back, you can see the old nut n fancy videos that patrol/reconnaissance was the main thing back then but CQB took hold of everyone in the late 2010s
I agree. Should move in groups with people who carry 16 mags and others that carry 7. Reece you aren’t looking for a fight so 4-6 would be acceptable to me.
@@Followme556 yeah but a 55 grain .22 caliber bullet isn't shit once it's gets below 1200 FPS your just shoot 22lr at that point . You gotta about 100 yrds of decent fighting power out of a MK18 and that's what the intended purpose is
@@jonsingleton203 "We regularly engaged targets out to 500 meters with our Mk18s in Afghanistan," Retired 3rd US Special forces Senior ODA NCO, Jeff Gurwich, who runs the youtube channel Modern Tactical Shooting. You can literally go right onto his page and ask him yourself. You really no idea what you are talking about. That is all.
The rubberized backplate would also keep it stationary if you threw it on the hood of a vehicle in order to load it or to retrieve admin stuff (map) before/after a patrol.
I carried 9 as 0311,changed to 0321 and ran 4. Situation dictates. But for minute man purposes, if you can, run as many as you can, agreed. This is why physical fitness is paramount. Don’t be a sack of potatoes trying to run 30 pounds of ammo plus gear.
I think it’s absurd to go willingly into an armed conflict with anything more than a Spiritus Micro Rig with 3 mags. Because if you’re gonna die, you need to make sure you look like a tier 1 flannel operator while your perforated carcass is laying in a ditch with crappy drawers. You need to have your kestrel, laser rangefinder and a GPS in the $79 utility pouch. Because if you’re taking incoming fire, you’re definitely going to want to take time to range the target and dial in your Nightforce optic to take one precise shot. Everyone knows that watching your impact and implementing a holdover to rapidly engage a threat is for noobs, and you’re only an operator if you have your dope chart in your multicam wristband. Don’t be a poser. All those pouches filled with extra mags are for larpers. Your belt should have nothing on it except your sexy plastic holster for a staccato with a red dot and flashlight plus 2 extra pistol mags you’ll never use in a fight. But don’t ever put any other gear on your hips. I don’t care if that’s where you’re anatomically best equipped to carry a load. It doesn’t look cool. Everything, including your lunch, wet weather gear, prescription meds, land nav, night vision, and a change of underwear should all be on your chest rig. If it interferes with your reload in a fight and you die from it, it’s only because you didn’t spend enough money going to training courses where some washed up security guard yells at you about your split times and not flicking your safety back on fast enough while you’re rehearsing how to navigate the numerous pouches on your loadout. Get good.
Don't forget that any AR over 14.5 inches is basically a flintlock musket and weighs 36 long tons and will be worthless when you're kicking in doors any clearing rooms because that's what all modern combat is gonna be and you'll basically be John Wick and you definitely absolutely won't get blown up by a tripwire when you kick the door or peppered by a 12 gauge from a dude camping the corner.
How does all that gear strapped to your chest affect your ability to get down in the dirt and out of the line of fire? It's got to add like 6 or 8 inches of height between you and the ground, right? Back in the 80's we carried the old H-harness, warbelt, and ammo pouches. I'd keep my warbelt unhooked so I could push the gear out of the way and let my torso sink flat on the ground. Oh yeah, and unless it was winter time conditions I lived out of my ass pack.
i bought an mfh south african assault vest for that reason, the pouches are off to the side and it has a built in hydration pouch. very breathable and comfortable and i can go prone without crushing anything since the pouches are off to the sides.
Yep, I had the Y-harness but now use an LBV88 enhanced with the alice belt. I carry 10 mags between the vest and my belt while still leaving my chest and belly slick. I can't stand chest rigs! Just patrolling with the rifle slung on top of all that sh!t blows. I still can't find a video with anyone low crawling with a chest rig. Seem like they are made for fighting from vehicles in urban environments clearing structures and not so much for more rural settings.
I was the ammo bearer on a M60 Gun Team in the 82nd. I carried the olde LBE H Harness and had 4 3 rnd mag pouches on the LBE with a field knife, a Lensatic compass, a 1911 and a Butt Pack. On my large ruck I had another 4 3 rnd mag pouches and the team's gear. Tripod, spare barrel kit and more MG ammo. Then came my sustainment kit. I jumped it and humped it. I still have that same LBE as it always worked and I could get in the prone with it. I have tried other kits and still go back to the LBE. Calculate how much 5.56 I was carrying. I also had a 1 qt canteen on each hip on the same rig.
Some of my Marine friends were telling me they'd rather carry more ammo and ditch other gear, to have more ammo with them. Ammo does win fights alot of times so it makes sense. BUT if you're just going from point A to point B to get to your bug out position you should be traveling as light as possible. But then again if you do get into one and you don't have enough ammo your going to be screwed. So that brings me right back to carrying a bunch of ammo makes more sense to me just in case you get into a fire fight.
and honestly in a shtf situation how many people are really going to be bugging out so far that they wont be back for dinner, lol. im bugging in, im defending my home and neighborhood. will patrol the local area with my buddies to secure the town so i wont need 3 days of food and such, just some snacks, water, and plenty of ammo... and i actually will be wearing my armor because i dont really intend on going that far out so the weight of the armor wont be that big of a deal.
@@ballisticintegrity9741 the only things thats ever going to happen where i live is potentially a forest fire. nothing else ever happens here. and if there is a natural disaster we're grabbing the bags and leaving to somewhere safe, im not gonna be out patrolling in the sticks... im gonna be right with my family the whole time making sure everyones safe. and yes im taking my chest rig loaded with mags along with my family bag to sustain us for a while.
Great video. Smersh/Alice/PCLE rigs are also very overlooked in my opinion. Depending on how you set it up, you can run up to 12 mags, 2 canteens, and one admin/medical pouch. They are really good for bearing weight if you have to do a lot of walking and they keep your chest flat which helps while going prone. One downside is they will not be as comfortable if you are going to be doing a lot of vehicle work.
PLCE fighting order is the way to go. You could even wear a small chest rig in addition to the belt kit and maybe an assault pack. It works great in the forest compared to a puffed out LBE or whatever with the weight all on your front
Nice brother! I run the OPS Enhanced Combat Chest Rig (via 0241 Tactical retailer) and it's a similar layout if not slightly more with 2 side Canteen/ GP Pouches and 2 inner Radio/ Mag size pouches. 8 to 10 Mags minimum!!!! Also why we're seeing the resurgence of LBE's, proper sustainment gear is essential while still being able to move faster and easier beating the heat.
Over the years i’ve really moved to enjoying lbes and split chest rigs. I can carry 6-8 mags and move around pretty fast and not die in 100degree Heat. Also i can still wear those over slick carriers if i’m at say like a static security check point.
I disagree with your statement. As a 1 man team, or a very small team, I’m not wanting to get into trouble. If I do, I’m getting the heck out of dodge super quick like. 4 mags would be plenty as long as I’m not trying to assault a city or pull off a bank robbery.
Plenty of real world combat situations where a small team was compromised and had to fight thier way out with over 100 enemy troops attempting to close in. 4 mags won't do you much good. Better to have more ammo.
@praharin SOP's vary. But, generally they involve returning fire, (1 to 2 mags), move to cover in the general direction you are going, re-engage as necessary to allow others to be able to move to cover, repeat. How far you can run between cover before the bad guys start shooting again dictates how fast you can withdraw. As you might guess this can consume quite a lot of ammo.
Nice setup very practical. Some people don't like the chest rig because they think it hinders you from laying flat on the ground but they can use the old school LBE or LBV and move mag pouches to the side, everyone is different. Subscribed my dude.😎
I'm more into belt setups with suspenders. And a chest rig for admin/general items. Combined with a large 80L rug and a small backpack for mission items.
Carry as much ammo as you can...But actually have solid medical (and not just stuff for gsw), food, water, and/or water filtration. Depending on the shtf situation starvation, dehydration, infection and illness may clap you before a gunfight. Be fit, carry as much as you can (inlcuding pew pew pills) but be smart with what you carry. Also, you may not be able refit. Be smart, it aint all about the firefight.
I run 12, on my rig. And 6+ in my pack. There is no one dropping any off for you. You have only what you carry. Fast and Essentials only. Spend is protection.
never can have enough ammo. that being said, most people even in a doomsday type scenario aren't going into a war type battle where you need to lay down massive amounts of firepower. better to avoid firefights when possible. just have a couple mags you can grab quickly and the rest in your pack or something. just my thoughts on it.
He has another video explaining how even if you are trying to avoid a fight and end up having to break contact that you will quickly deplete 3 mags on a minimalist rig.
Tracer tactical has good stuff as well as Haley Strategic I personally use there full size rig not the micro, onward research but they all are more expensive because all three companies are berry compliant and not made in China.
Chest rigs are awesome for carrying mission essentials, but what about sustainment? Could you touch on that as well? For instance, does this kit have provisions for canteens and or a camelback on the rear? Thanks for the video.
how long do you plan your patrols to be? as a civilian during shtf i will patrol my neighborhood and maybe even the town but im not going to be far out in the sticks. i imagine the biggest threat we'd face would be gangs/criminals/antifa taking advantage of the lawlessness, im not so worried about foreign armies but those are always a potential threat. for sustainment just get a small assault backpack and throw some cans of spam in there lol.
Great stuff...thank you. I think I'll defer to your Ramadi experience for capacity/capabilities needed. One suggestion for a future review. Take a look at the Yaesu FT-50R in comparison to the Baofeng UV-5R for comms. Also...consider making a forced march training video for those prepping for the 'pack test' in order to get into wildland fire fighting
@@GruntProof .. 3 mile walk/hike (no jog, no run) on level ground with a 45 lb pack in 45 minutes. The Wildland Arduous Medical Qual Test or 'Pack Test'.
@@FTroop37F great idea - I’m a volunteer FF in New England, most of our jobs are structure but every now and then we get a good brush job, a lot of work to get it contained and put out.
Just make sure you hydrate well -- toughing lack of water when you have to is what it is, but don't do it during training. It's unnecessary, unhealthy, and can hurt you.
Helikon Tex Guardian rig. Carry up to 12 AR mags and have room for an admin, canteen, and IFAK. Only issue is finding one for an affordable price. Most are sold out or are costing almost $200. It's a tough sell with the One Tigris costing less than $75.
Ive run the Multicam vulture v1 from onetigris for a couple years now, the only big change I made to it was replacing the shoulder straps. I wasnt a fan of the hotspot the X harness made in the center of my back. I got an H harness from another company and never went back. its a really good piece of gear for the price
I think its good point. Most people have never done any force on force training or seen combat to realize how bad a situation can get where you will need all the ammo you can. One grunt to another keep doing what your doing and let the keyboard warriors die when there fantasy hits reality
i have a flecktarn MFH or miltec "south african assault vest" which is a very breathable chest rig with lots of pockets and a hydration pouch on the back. can easily fit 12+ mags. not sure how durable it is, i only took it out on like 12 light patrols before i got crippled but it has been very nice so far. i like that the pouches are more off to the sides so you can go prone without squishing anything. seems like a great chest rig and when i can walk again im going to go rough it up some more.
Metal mags, NOT pmags folks. Calories, water container+iodine. 1st line woods shit couple oz. Sleep system+weather clothes. Then its as much ammo and mission-speicifc gear as you can carry. Folks tryna take their house with em.
@@aceman1126 become brittle, degrade quickly until they crack when used in the cold, even temperate climate winters. The shrink-expand with sudden shocks is hell for plastic. Not a problem in peacetime, since you bring it outside from room temp to hit some paper. We spent 20 years in an arid context, so its not something often mentioned
You'll no doubt be using all that extra ammo on targets you can identify. But the ones you can't ID are more dangerous for that very reason. These days good thermals -- hand-held or mounted -- can deliver amazing Intel night or day for way less than the cost of a work truck. The AGM Sidewinder and Taipan in particular are worth a look.
It seems the modernized combat doctrine is all about volume of fire. I was raised under the tutelage of a WW2 Fighting Engineer who landed D-Day and pushed all the way through the German lines. His doctrine was always ammunition preservation, one shoot then move before mortar fire would rain down on you. He always made the discipline of fire more important than volume of fire I would get hell for shooting a semiauto too fast.
"We got our asses handed to us in terrain like this..." important to note the Taliban's loadout was typically an AK, 2-3 mags, sandals, and a water bottle. They fought very effectively with minimal kit. Like you said though, it's all about context!
talibans crossed into the first village and either coerced or convinced locals to give them food and water, then a quick stop to their cave system for more ammo. They were a guerrilla (I use "were" because apparently now that they run A'stan seems like they're converting to a conventional structure) so their M.O. was quick ambushes and retreat to resupply among a friendly or forced population. One could say that this is why you're supposed to grow your community, this way you can run a micro rig with a couple more mags in a 3-day pack during "recon" because you're not expected to live months inbetween resupplies at far distant staches/safehouses/looting areas, so you can keep a more "movement-oriented" rig (LBE or minimal chest) when you need to scout around, and a "combat oriented" rig (with more mags and ballistic protections and much less "support/sustenance" stuff) at your place to throw on when you need to defend your home
I use the onward recce rig for the same reason! Modern chest rigs put too much shit where that shit doesnt need to be. Rifle mags, first aid, and some water is all I have on my chest rig
I'm so glad you brought up the being too weighed down by too much gear. So many people ignore that I've even brought it up and was regarded as stupid. Their justification for carrying 300 lb. Of gear was holding up to Be self-efficient or several months at a time. I'm like that's stupid we have outposts and firebases for a reason. Hell I even wanted to ditch the M-9 and replace it for two extra mags.
The problem with these scenarios is that eventually you will run out of ammunition you will not easily replenish Your firearm will need new parts that are no longer available. In a totally SHTF situation you are better off learning to use a bow, crossbow or spear and wield a sword.
I find it hilarious. Who would have ever imagined that the Vietnam equipment has a use. Low crawl must not be an important defensive tactic anymore. All these call of duty raised kids. Suppressive fire....spray and pray. You got your asses handed to you because you forgot the techniques learned from generation before. These new chest rigs are b.s..
I prefer LC2 harness Alice kit with a butt pack in the bush, way less front load on your body if you’re gonna be out a while. You can adjust the LC2 for balance. Its easy to carry more mags with the alice 3 mag pouches.
Late to comment,love the Killer Instinct intro.After listening to you just explain it,this One Tigris chest rig just gives me peace of mind and now I have to have it.Thanks for the content…
Yut!!! I just watched a video last night from a recon marine who had just stuff everywhere. Hell, he had a fucking nalgene bottle on in front of his mags. How do you go prone and have a stable platform. How do you climb over walls or up walls or go through a manhole if need be.
We both know you need lots of water on you, running around ( Only complaint ) on that rig. I know lots of people hate on Condor, but could do a review on the 7 pocket chest rig?
I’ve been watching some conflict videos and I am convinced. If you don’t have a thermal weapon scope, it’s like you should just stay home. One video on funker 530 ONE GUY clears a trench. I was as close to combat being unfair as you can get. The men in the trench are terrified as he just walks around and kills them in the dark. He sees one guy pull a grenade shoots him in the face step back and the grenade goes off well after he is out of harm’s way. He was shooting these armed men at maybe 5 yards and in, they were helpless.
if im going to be patrolling its going to be local, around the neighborhood or my small town, im not going to need days of food but i will pack enough magazines to fight against 10+ out of towners that came here looking for trouble. im bugging in, im going to defend my neighborhood and town from thugs that are out trying to take advantage of the lawlessness. itll be up to we the people to maintain as much order as we can.
@@alexanderlindstrom01 obviously, lol. what am i going to recon 10km away from home? all the shtf talk but most likely shtf will only be a few months of government collapse until we get re-established and regain law and order. just gotta keep the POS that will take advantage of no police at bay until we get back on track to a stabilized society. what scenario are you playing in your head for recon? because mine is just local, making sure the immediate area and town is safe from gangs and small groups of turds.
try and move to washington state in the USA, i could use more White european brothers to help me try and vote out the leftists. look up the Butler Plan.
I dumped money on an Onward Research Recce Rig. Reason being I like the idea of keeping myself light and mobile. Maybe not worth the price, maybe it is. I like the minimalist design. I live at altitude in a wide open and hilly area close to the Rockies so bulking on gear is likely not a thing I'd want to do if I need to be on the move.
Good rig when carrying a full Ruck and need the waistline clear.. I’m ranting something almost identical to this but only 3 mags wide up front to work in conjunction with my jungle belt setup when only carrying a 1-3day pack and not a full ruck.. which really is why I built a molle version of the only Alice LBE really cause I’d rather not have a big ass pack and be able to spread the load around all over evenly.. Oh how quick people forget how much you can carry with h-harness and belt using saw pouches and a field pack.. I got 100ema d saw pouches at 2:30 and 9:30 off the belt so anything wider then 3 up front going to give me issues.. I do like this a lot though
get a LBV(load bearing vest) you can carry all kinds of things on it and you may also want armor as well. You should carry ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo and canteen, all set go get em tiger
Shouldve saved my $40 while getting a Helikon Tex clone and got this. Oof. But im also running an AK...so the capacity still wouldnt do. Chi com rig gang
Tracertactical I believe is the name I could be wrong. But the stout scout series of chest rigs is dope. A little expensive but totally worth it. 🤙🏾 shaka 🤙🏾
Hey, a better rig, the ATS Tactical slick front with 4 double mag pouch from Tac Tailor, ATS small med, ATS slimline GP, tac Tailor , compass, and light, multutool pouches. Good stuff.
I'm 35 and with a physical disability speed and agility where all thrown out the window in the first place so I armored up with lvl 4+ Ridgebacks from guard dog body armor rather be able to take the hit since I can't run from it!
i did the same thing. should be getting my right hip replaced before the year is over but i still have a chonky rig because im not going to be running or patrolling far, ill be static or semi static so i figured i might as well become as tanky as possible. i also have a chest rig for when i can walk again if i ever need to walk far.
Nice. I wonder, what you suggest to keep in the admin pouch. Is there (or somewhere else on your body) anything some "survival stuff" tin case you had to get rid of your ruck and can't get back to it?
Marine 0351, ran 7 mags in Afghanistan. One in the rifle and 6 on the body, but i was often carrying rockets or demo also. Or i acted as a 0331. My chest rig is a placard that can go on my plates for certain situations. also have a 6 mag count placard already on the plate carrier that can be exchanged for the chest rig placard. The chest rig holds 4 but usually one has a radio in it, but i could buy two wings for it if needed to up that count. However I always have the ability to run 3 more mags on my belt. 1 as a quick reload in an hsgi puch and 2 more in a normal military surplus 2 bag pouch hooked on the belt. So basically what im saying is you can be flexible with your gear, and change what you need for the mission. Good video otherwise, i'll be watching for more.
Good Video, but the purpose of a Recce rig is to recce, not to stand in a fight. You break contact and get out of there. But everything else you said is correct.
Look up Battle Drill "break contact" then tell me how 4 mags fits in. Pretty tough to conserve ammo over miles with an overwhelming force chasing you. Then, for the practical assignment, look up the ODA tbat was wiped out by Boku Haram because they were dependent on backup and resupply.
I ordered this chest rig using your Amazon link. They must have changed the design slightly because the D rings are not on them anymore and it will only hold 4 mags. If you did force two mags in each slot it would be so tight that a reload would be impossible in a reasonable amount of time. Mag slots are slightly oversized to where you can comfortably run AK mags as well. I was pretty bummed out about not having 8 but nonetheless it is still a nice rig for the money. I will be doing a review soon on my channel. Thanks again for the recommendation brother!
🇺🇸 Opinions? Battle belt with ifak, two dump pouches each with 5 mags and 3 mags in individual mag pouches. Combined with 3 mags on chest. 17 mags total and a few more inches closer to the ground... 🇺🇸
Love my mayflower chest rig and I can put it on my PC if I need to run that. I grabbed the trex back strap and it pulls it all tight to your body perfectly so it doesnt bounce when running.
I am more of a nighttime guy; I don't like the idea of being in daylight in a world gone crazy situation. Bows are my specialty-modes of quiet removal of a threat, guns with silencers, etc. A dystopian, world-gone-crazy country filled with 250 million guns will not last long. Not unless you are in the dark, hidden, and only move when it is safe. Do not think that you are going to waltz around in broad daylight with a full loadout and expect to live to tell about it. Hopefully, all our planning and armament will be relics of weapons that were never used on each other.
This rig holds 8 steel mags and 4 Pmags
Do you know of another chest rig that can take 8 Pmags I just gotmy today and try to put my two steel mag together, however they didn’t going in all way
@@kennyzayas9355 Yeah, I can't fit 8 mags in this rig either. Randal said "8 steel Mags". I am using poly mags, they are thicker. That is the problem. They are the same size at the Mag well section, thicker at the grip.
Iraq '03 I ran eight on my LBV, 6 in a drop leg rig, and 8 more in my pack. I ran out once. Can never have too much as long as you can still move effectively.
My brother was the same way left side drop leg with 4 mags and had them stuck everywhere...
I normally carried 4 and a 5th in the gun.
@@Valorius 6+1 was out standard load out, most of us carried more if we could scrounge mags.
Finally someone who makes sense. Same rig I run. Seen too many men weighted down with nonsense. 8 mags minimum, good knife, water, light and don't give a fook attitude.
@@redrusso9836exactly so many people even vets saying they only carried 3 and 1 in the gun . Man you were a member of the most powerful military had machine gunners for suppressive fire and air support . If the SHTF were on our own no one is bringing ammo or coming too save us you better have enough too at least break contact and escape .
At USMC TBS in 1982 we had to read the book, "A soldiers load and the Mobility of a Nation" by S.L.A Marshall. Loading down a warrior, significantly reduces their combat effectiveness. While effectively taking data from amphibious assaults and jungle warfare, the loss of 40-50% of troops due to weight carried, can limit overall success. They also told us at TBS, don't expect a miracle "resupply" of ammo, water or chow like you get during training. Good Info. Thanks and Semper Fi.
"We had sticks. Two sticks and a rock for the entire platoon! And we had to share the rock!" - Sgt Johnson
@@KingdomKillaz117 Old Corps!!! Ooooh Raaaah
This^ book is still probably required reading but then the Matrix wipes up their mouths with it after servicing the CCP for coin. Well said Semper Fidelis Bible and ⚔️.
The only time you can have too much ammo on you is if you're trying to swim or if you are on fire...
lol pretty much
The swimming part. Take off your cami pants tie off and make an improvised flotation device. Fire your screwed either way.
It’s heartening to see the shift in the mindset of the minuteman from CQB to more patrol/reconnaissance. I was guilty of running a micro rig and a 10.5” AR for a while until I started to really to think about it. Not that those aren’t viable options depending on the situation.
It's a shift back, you can see the old nut n fancy videos that patrol/reconnaissance was the main thing back then but CQB took hold of everyone in the late 2010s
I agree. Should move in groups with people who carry 16 mags and others that carry 7.
Reece you aren’t looking for a fight so 4-6 would be acceptable to me.
You can hit somebody with a 10.5 and mk262 hell of a lot farther away than most people think.
@@Followme556 yeah but a 55 grain .22 caliber bullet isn't shit once it's gets below 1200 FPS your just shoot 22lr at that point . You gotta about 100 yrds of decent fighting power out of a MK18 and that's what the intended purpose is
@@jonsingleton203 "We regularly engaged targets out to 500 meters with our Mk18s in Afghanistan," Retired 3rd US Special forces Senior ODA NCO, Jeff Gurwich, who runs the youtube channel Modern Tactical Shooting.
You can literally go right onto his page and ask him yourself.
You really no idea what you are talking about. That is all.
The rubberized backplate would also keep it stationary if you threw it on the hood of a vehicle in order to load it or to retrieve admin stuff (map) before/after a patrol.
@Hulk Hogan I'm not a gamer or a movie watcher so I don't know what that is. I'm speaking from experience.
I carried 9 as 0311,changed to 0321 and ran 4. Situation dictates. But for minute man purposes, if you can, run as many as you can, agreed. This is why physical fitness is paramount. Don’t be a sack of potatoes trying to run 30 pounds of ammo plus gear.
Weird. As an 0321 we ran 13 mags back in the day.
@@johnlewis4325 sounds about right if you were part of a MAGTF.
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I think it’s absurd to go willingly into an armed conflict with anything more than a Spiritus Micro Rig with 3 mags. Because if you’re gonna die, you need to make sure you look like a tier 1 flannel operator while your perforated carcass is laying in a ditch with crappy drawers. You need to have your kestrel, laser rangefinder and a GPS in the $79 utility pouch. Because if you’re taking incoming fire, you’re definitely going to want to take time to range the target and dial in your Nightforce optic to take one precise shot. Everyone knows that watching your impact and implementing a holdover to rapidly engage a threat is for noobs, and you’re only an operator if you have your dope chart in your multicam wristband. Don’t be a poser. All those pouches filled with extra mags are for larpers. Your belt should have nothing on it except your sexy plastic holster for a staccato with a red dot and flashlight plus 2 extra pistol mags you’ll never use in a fight. But don’t ever put any other gear on your hips. I don’t care if that’s where you’re anatomically best equipped to carry a load. It doesn’t look cool. Everything, including your lunch, wet weather gear, prescription meds, land nav, night vision, and a change of underwear should all be on your chest rig. If it interferes with your reload in a fight and you die from it, it’s only because you didn’t spend enough money going to training courses where some washed up security guard yells at you about your split times and not flicking your safety back on fast enough while you’re rehearsing how to navigate the numerous pouches on your loadout. Get good.
Don't forget that any AR over 14.5 inches is basically a flintlock musket and weighs 36 long tons and will be worthless when you're kicking in doors any clearing rooms because that's what all modern combat is gonna be and you'll basically be John Wick and you definitely absolutely won't get blown up by a tripwire when you kick the door or peppered by a 12 gauge from a dude camping the corner.
This was fucking hilarious
Someone’s been hurt by the industry and we are here for you 😂
Absolutely epic
🤣 Im crying 🤣🤣
The Ham Karen's radio of choice: The Boo Fwang. 😆 Cracks me up every time
Love the Killer Instinct soundtrack
How does all that gear strapped to your chest affect your ability to get down in the dirt and out of the line of fire? It's got to add like 6 or 8 inches of height between you and the ground, right? Back in the 80's we carried the old H-harness, warbelt, and ammo pouches. I'd keep my warbelt unhooked so I could push the gear out of the way and let my torso sink flat on the ground. Oh yeah, and unless it was winter time conditions I lived out of my ass pack.
i bought an mfh south african assault vest for that reason, the pouches are off to the side and it has a built in hydration pouch. very breathable and comfortable and i can go prone without crushing anything since the pouches are off to the sides.
@@alphawolfgang173 Have you ever used an original Pattern 83 vest? If so how does the MFH compare? Is it made in China?
Yep, I had the Y-harness but now use an LBV88 enhanced with the alice belt. I carry 10 mags between the vest and my belt while still leaving my chest and belly slick. I can't stand chest rigs! Just patrolling with the rifle slung on top of all that sh!t blows. I still can't find a video with anyone low crawling with a chest rig. Seem like they are made for fighting from vehicles in urban environments clearing structures and not so much for more rural settings.
I was the ammo bearer on a M60 Gun Team in the 82nd. I carried the olde LBE H Harness and had 4 3 rnd mag pouches on the LBE with a field knife, a Lensatic compass, a 1911 and a Butt Pack. On my large ruck I had another 4 3 rnd mag pouches and the team's gear. Tripod, spare barrel kit and more MG ammo. Then came my sustainment kit. I jumped it and humped it. I still have that same LBE as it always worked and I could get in the prone with it. I have tried other kits and still go back to the LBE. Calculate how much 5.56 I was carrying. I also had a 1 qt canteen on each hip on the same rig.
I carried the M60 while enlisted and Used LBE with H when my own rig. Y for the silly pansy ass inspections. LMAO. '82-'91
Some of my Marine friends were telling me they'd rather carry more ammo and ditch other gear, to have more ammo with them. Ammo does win fights alot of times so it makes sense. BUT if you're just going from point A to point B to get to your bug out position you should be traveling as light as possible. But then again if you do get into one and you don't have enough ammo your going to be screwed. So that brings me right back to carrying a bunch of ammo makes more sense to me just in case you get into a fire fight.
and honestly in a shtf situation how many people are really going to be bugging out so far that they wont be back for dinner, lol. im bugging in, im defending my home and neighborhood. will patrol the local area with my buddies to secure the town so i wont need 3 days of food and such, just some snacks, water, and plenty of ammo... and i actually will be wearing my armor because i dont really intend on going that far out so the weight of the armor wont be that big of a deal.
@@alphawolfgang173What about natural disaster? I doubt you’ll be bugging in then. Depending on your area you might have to leave your State. Now what.
@@ballisticintegrity9741 the only things thats ever going to happen where i live is potentially a forest fire. nothing else ever happens here. and if there is a natural disaster we're grabbing the bags and leaving to somewhere safe, im not gonna be out patrolling in the sticks... im gonna be right with my family the whole time making sure everyones safe. and yes im taking my chest rig loaded with mags along with my family bag to sustain us for a while.
@@alphawolfgang173 Yes Indeed
Great video. Smersh/Alice/PCLE rigs are also very overlooked in my opinion. Depending on how you set it up, you can run up to 12 mags, 2 canteens, and one admin/medical pouch. They are really good for bearing weight if you have to do a lot of walking and they keep your chest flat which helps while going prone. One downside is they will not be as comfortable if you are going to be doing a lot of vehicle work.
Dont forget the old ChiCom gear, its unbelievable how cheap and abundant that stuff is.
PLCE fighting order is the way to go. You could even wear a small chest rig in addition to the belt kit and maybe an assault pack. It works great in the forest compared to a puffed out LBE or whatever with the weight all on your front
Nice brother! I run the OPS Enhanced Combat Chest Rig (via 0241 Tactical retailer) and it's a similar layout if not slightly more with 2 side Canteen/ GP Pouches and 2 inner Radio/ Mag size pouches. 8 to 10 Mags minimum!!!!
Also why we're seeing the resurgence of LBE's, proper sustainment gear is essential while still being able to move faster and easier beating the heat.
@@DD_Dietriech Look at the OPS Easy Rig instead via 0241 Tactical. There are a few other 7.62x51 split rigs out there too.
still prefer my old LBE over any current setup
Over the years i’ve really moved to enjoying lbes and split chest rigs. I can carry 6-8 mags and move around pretty fast and not die in 100degree Heat. Also i can still wear those over slick carriers if i’m at say like a static security check point.
Hell yea
I disagree with your statement. As a 1 man team, or a very small team, I’m not wanting to get into trouble. If I do, I’m getting the heck out of dodge super quick like. 4 mags would be plenty as long as I’m not trying to assault a city or pull off a bank robbery.
Plenty of real world combat situations where a small team was compromised and had to fight thier way out with over 100 enemy troops attempting to close in. 4 mags won't do you much good. Better to have more ammo.
What if you take contact while trying to break contact?
@praharin SOP's vary. But, generally they involve returning fire, (1 to 2 mags), move to cover in the general direction you are going, re-engage as necessary to allow others to be able to move to cover, repeat. How far you can run between cover before the bad guys start shooting again dictates how fast you can withdraw. As you might guess this can consume quite a lot of ammo.
Nice setup very practical. Some people don't like the chest rig because they think it hinders you from laying flat on the ground but they can use the old school LBE or LBV and move mag pouches to the side, everyone is different. Subscribed my dude.😎
I'm more into belt setups with suspenders. And a chest rig for admin/general items. Combined with a large 80L rug and a small backpack for mission items.
Another good idea if you're planning on staying within a general location. You may want to look into setting up resupply Caches with ammo, food, etc.
Carry as much ammo as you can...But actually have solid medical (and not just stuff for gsw), food, water, and/or water filtration. Depending on the shtf situation starvation, dehydration, infection and illness may clap you before a gunfight. Be fit, carry as much as you can (inlcuding pew pew pills) but be smart with what you carry. Also, you may not be able refit. Be smart, it aint all about the firefight.
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I actually like the old Army LBVs that we wore in Alaska in the 90s. They excel at weight distribution.
Killer sound track , your instinct is on point !
Even in late Iraq (2009) I carried 8 on my rig. Learned very early on how quickly you can go through ammo.
I run 12, on my rig. And 6+ in my pack. There is no one dropping any off for you. You have only what you carry. Fast and Essentials only. Spend is protection.
never can have enough ammo. that being said, most people even in a doomsday type scenario aren't going into a war type battle where you need to lay down massive amounts of firepower. better to avoid firefights when possible. just have a couple mags you can grab quickly and the rest in your pack or something. just my thoughts on it.
Agreed
He has another video explaining how even if you are trying to avoid a fight and end up having to break contact that you will quickly deplete 3 mags on a minimalist rig.
Tracer tactical has good stuff as well as Haley Strategic I personally use there full size rig not the micro, onward research but they all are more expensive because all three companies are berry compliant and not made in China.
Chest rigs are awesome for carrying mission essentials, but what about sustainment? Could you touch on that as well? For instance, does this kit have provisions for canteens and or a camelback on the rear? Thanks for the video.
Crayons.
@@KingdomKillaz117 I love the purple flavor ones.
how long do you plan your patrols to be? as a civilian during shtf i will patrol my neighborhood and maybe even the town but im not going to be far out in the sticks. i imagine the biggest threat we'd face would be gangs/criminals/antifa taking advantage of the lawlessness, im not so worried about foreign armies but those are always a potential threat. for sustainment just get a small assault backpack and throw some cans of spam in there lol.
Great stuff...thank you. I think I'll defer to your Ramadi experience for capacity/capabilities needed.
One suggestion for a future review. Take a look at the Yaesu FT-50R in comparison to the Baofeng UV-5R for comms.
Also...consider making a forced march training video for those prepping for the 'pack test' in order to get into wildland fire fighting
What is the standard?
@@GruntProof .. 3 mile walk/hike (no jog, no run) on level ground with a 45 lb pack in 45 minutes. The Wildland Arduous Medical Qual Test or 'Pack Test'.
@@FTroop37F great idea - I’m a volunteer FF in New England, most of our jobs are structure but every now and then we get a good brush job, a lot of work to get it contained and put out.
Just make sure you hydrate well -- toughing lack of water when you have to is what it is, but don't do it during training. It's unnecessary, unhealthy, and can hurt you.
The double front mag pouches do make it alot harder to get flat prone.
Helikon Tex Guardian rig. Carry up to 12 AR mags and have room for an admin, canteen, and IFAK. Only issue is finding one for an affordable price. Most are sold out or are costing almost $200. It's a tough sell with the One Tigris costing less than $75.
Ive run the Multicam vulture v1 from onetigris for a couple years now, the only big change I made to it was replacing the shoulder straps. I wasnt a fan of the hotspot the X harness made in the center of my back. I got an H harness from another company and never went back. its a really good piece of gear for the price
Please tell me what harness you got from the other company
Hahaha I love the killer instinct music loved that game as a kid.
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I think its good point. Most people have never done any force on force training or seen combat to realize how bad a situation can get where you will need all the ammo you can. One grunt to another keep doing what your doing and let the keyboard warriors die when there fantasy hits reality
i have a flecktarn MFH or miltec "south african assault vest" which is a very breathable chest rig with lots of pockets and a hydration pouch on the back. can easily fit 12+ mags. not sure how durable it is, i only took it out on like 12 light patrols before i got crippled but it has been very nice so far. i like that the pouches are more off to the sides so you can go prone without squishing anything. seems like a great chest rig and when i can walk again im going to go rough it up some more.
Get after it my man. You’ll get there.
Metal mags, NOT pmags folks. Calories, water container+iodine. 1st line woods shit couple oz. Sleep system+weather clothes. Then its as much ammo and mission-speicifc gear as you can carry. Folks tryna take their house with em.
Curious to the aversion to pmags. I have many of both and like both but the pmags seem more durable. I'm always willing to admit being wrong though
@@aceman1126 become brittle, degrade quickly until they crack when used in the cold, even temperate climate winters. The shrink-expand with sudden shocks is hell for plastic. Not a problem in peacetime, since you bring it outside from room temp to hit some paper. We spent 20 years in an arid context, so its not something often mentioned
@@akatsukiawsome13 good to know thanks bro. Glad I stacked both
@@aceman1126 also metal mags are slimmer, can fit more in some pouches.
how low can you get in prone position though?
You'll no doubt be using all that extra ammo on targets you can identify. But the ones you can't ID are more dangerous for that very reason. These days good thermals -- hand-held or mounted -- can deliver amazing Intel night or day for way less than the cost of a work truck. The AGM Sidewinder and Taipan in particular are worth a look.
The t Rex guy said all I needed was a micro rig with two clips
You are ready for a patrol, without a canteen (I did not see one)? Thank you and have a great day good sir.
It seems the modernized combat doctrine is all about volume of fire. I was raised under the tutelage of a WW2 Fighting Engineer who landed D-Day and pushed all the way through the German lines. His doctrine was always ammunition preservation, one shoot then move before mortar fire would rain down on you. He always made the discipline of fire more important than volume of fire I would get hell for shooting a semiauto too fast.
"We got our asses handed to us in terrain like this..." important to note the Taliban's loadout was typically an AK, 2-3 mags, sandals, and a water bottle. They fought very effectively with minimal kit. Like you said though, it's all about context!
talibans crossed into the first village and either coerced or convinced locals to give them food and water, then a quick stop to their cave system for more ammo. They were a guerrilla (I use "were" because apparently now that they run A'stan seems like they're converting to a conventional structure) so their M.O. was quick ambushes and retreat to resupply among a friendly or forced population.
One could say that this is why you're supposed to grow your community, this way you can run a micro rig with a couple more mags in a 3-day pack during "recon" because you're not expected to live months inbetween resupplies at far distant staches/safehouses/looting areas, so you can keep a more "movement-oriented" rig (LBE or minimal chest) when you need to scout around, and a "combat oriented" rig (with more mags and ballistic protections and much less "support/sustenance" stuff) at your place to throw on when you need to defend your home
I use the onward recce rig for the same reason! Modern chest rigs put too much shit where that shit doesnt need to be. Rifle mags, first aid, and some water is all I have on my chest rig
I'm so glad you brought up the being too weighed down by too much gear. So many people ignore that I've even brought it up and was regarded as stupid. Their justification for carrying 300 lb. Of gear was holding up to Be self-efficient or several months at a time. I'm like that's stupid we have outposts and firebases for a reason. Hell I even wanted to ditch the M-9 and replace it for two extra mags.
The problem with these scenarios is that eventually you will run out of ammunition you will not easily replenish Your firearm will need new parts that are no longer available. In a totally SHTF situation you are better off learning to use a bow, crossbow or spear and wield a sword.
I still rock my TAPS rig, just upgraded the shoulder harness.
lmao Randall full on Predator mode? .. well yeah PRETTY MUCH 🤣
"Ruuun! Go. Get to da FOrWhEELER!" 🗿
I find it hilarious. Who would have ever imagined that the Vietnam equipment has a use. Low crawl must not be an important defensive tactic anymore. All these call of duty raised kids. Suppressive fire....spray and pray. You got your asses handed to you because you forgot the techniques learned from generation before. These new chest rigs are b.s..
Check out the Onward Research Recce Rig. Seems to be pretty forgiving for prone work.
I agree with the 2nd to last sentence
I prefer LC2 harness Alice kit with a butt pack in the bush, way less front load on your body if you’re gonna be out a while. You can adjust the LC2 for balance. Its easy to carry more mags with the alice 3 mag pouches.
Late to comment,love the Killer Instinct intro.After listening to you just explain it,this One Tigris chest rig just gives me peace of mind and now I have to have it.Thanks for the content…
i had 8in my rig, 2 on my belt, another 6 on my back and around 250 live rounds in a plastic canteen for loading.
I prefer H harness belts with a chest rig on top.
I like the balance
If you go prone you still are going to be 4 foot in the air.....lol
Yut!!! I just watched a video last night from a recon marine who had just stuff everywhere. Hell, he had a fucking nalgene bottle on in front of his mags. How do you go prone and have a stable platform. How do you climb over walls or up walls or go through a manhole if need be.
We both know you need lots of water on you, running around ( Only complaint ) on that rig. I know lots of people hate on Condor, but could do a review on the 7 pocket chest rig?
civilians don't have M240 M249 M60 for support fire, you carrying a AR AK will burn thru magazines faster
Consider a surplus TAP rig as an alternative. You can hold up to 10 AR mags and have plenty of webbing to mount additional pouches if necessary.
I’ve been watching some conflict videos and I am convinced. If you don’t have a thermal weapon scope, it’s like you should just stay home. One video on funker 530 ONE GUY clears a trench. I was as close to combat being unfair as you can get. The men in the trench are terrified as he just walks around and kills them in the dark. He sees one guy pull a grenade shoots him in the face step back and the grenade goes off well after he is out of harm’s way. He was shooting these armed men at maybe 5 yards and in, they were helpless.
I like to ask would that chest rig hold 8 p mags? Also is aluminum mags tougher then p mags?
Thanks for the knowledge transfer brother no one ever said damn I have to much ammo in a gun fight ....
Gotta respect the Killer Instinct theme in the intro
This video goes out to all the instagram hypebeast guntubers that wear micro rigs and carry 10.5 ARs
Amo & water & Jell-O
In doomsday i am trying to remain as light as possible and avoid fights if possible
Could you wear a “concealed vest” under your jacket or shirt and then just put the chest rig on?
"Recce" kits that focus on combat instead of crawling subscribe to a technique of recon i do not agree with.
Combat "recce" is about recon-stituting your opponent into a mass of gore with volume of fire, apparently.
if im going to be patrolling its going to be local, around the neighborhood or my small town, im not going to need days of food but i will pack enough magazines to fight against 10+ out of towners that came here looking for trouble. im bugging in, im going to defend my neighborhood and town from thugs that are out trying to take advantage of the lawlessness. itll be up to we the people to maintain as much order as we can.
@@alphawolfgang173 That's very poor recon you're planning there.
@@alexanderlindstrom01 obviously, lol. what am i going to recon 10km away from home? all the shtf talk but most likely shtf will only be a few months of government collapse until we get re-established and regain law and order. just gotta keep the POS that will take advantage of no police at bay until we get back on track to a stabilized society. what scenario are you playing in your head for recon? because mine is just local, making sure the immediate area and town is safe from gangs and small groups of turds.
Nice load out here in the UK .when it hits the UK we are fxxed 👍 OUT
try and move to washington state in the USA, i could use more White european brothers to help me try and vote out the leftists. look up the Butler Plan.
I dumped money on an Onward Research Recce Rig. Reason being I like the idea of keeping myself light and mobile. Maybe not worth the price, maybe it is. I like the minimalist design. I live at altitude in a wide open and hilly area close to the Rockies so bulking on gear is likely not a thing I'd want to do if I need to be on the move.
looks like it's worth the price
20 magazines! No less.
Good rig when carrying a full Ruck and need the waistline clear.. I’m ranting something almost identical to this but only 3 mags wide up front to work in conjunction with my jungle belt setup when only carrying a 1-3day pack and not a full ruck.. which really is why I built a molle version of the only Alice LBE really cause I’d rather not have a big ass pack and be able to spread the load around all over evenly..
Oh how quick people forget how much you can carry with h-harness and belt using saw pouches and a field pack..
I got 100ema d saw pouches at 2:30 and 9:30 off the belt so anything wider then 3 up front going to give me issues.. I do like this a lot though
Killer Instinct 😂 that sound brought back so many memories from the arcade
good shit amigo!
Ammo and water. Ammo and water, you can’t have to much
get a LBV(load bearing vest) you can carry all kinds of things on it and you may also want armor as well. You should carry ammo, ammo, ammo, ammo and canteen, all set go get em tiger
Shouldve saved my $40 while getting a Helikon Tex clone and got this. Oof. But im also running an AK...so the capacity still wouldnt do. Chi com rig gang
Tracertactical I believe is the name I could be wrong. But the stout scout series of chest rigs is dope. A little expensive but totally worth it. 🤙🏾 shaka 🤙🏾
A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -Rudyard Kipling
LoL!! The HAM Karens comment had me rolling!
The Boof-wang uv5r is the “HAM Karen’s favorite radio,” flippin hilarious!!! 😂
Does this chest rig glow under IR night vision?
Hey, a better rig, the ATS Tactical slick front with 4 double mag pouch from Tac Tailor, ATS small med, ATS slimline GP, tac Tailor , compass, and light, multutool pouches. Good stuff.
I've heard good things
That is a good rig for active shooter response too Randall
Serious question: how is that rig in the prone? Access and comfort? I run a molle and alice LARP and i keep the front clear for prone activities.
Thank you for this. I often thought I was a little overboard with 9 rifle, and 6 pistol mags tied on my vest. I feel better about my setup now.
I never seen any video about it. But I have their plate carrier and its amazing love it. The javlin Concepts JCR chest rig.
I'm 35 and with a physical disability speed and agility where all thrown out the window in the first place so I armored up with lvl 4+ Ridgebacks from guard dog body armor rather be able to take the hit since I can't run from it!
i did the same thing. should be getting my right hip replaced before the year is over but i still have a chonky rig because im not going to be running or patrolling far, ill be static or semi static so i figured i might as well become as tanky as possible. i also have a chest rig for when i can walk again if i ever need to walk far.
Your selection of music in the beginning of this vid, says that we can be friends
The Killer Instinct music is absolutely perfect....
Nice. I wonder, what you suggest to keep in the admin pouch. Is there (or somewhere else on your body) anything some "survival stuff" tin case you had to get rid of your ruck and can't get back to it?
Skittles, of course
Crayons?
Marine 0351, ran 7 mags in Afghanistan. One in the rifle and 6 on the body, but i was often carrying rockets or demo also. Or i acted as a 0331. My chest rig is a placard that can go on my plates for certain situations. also have a 6 mag count placard already on the plate carrier that can be exchanged for the chest rig placard. The chest rig holds 4 but usually one has a radio in it, but i could buy two wings for it if needed to up that count. However I always have the ability to run 3 more mags on my belt. 1 as a quick reload in an hsgi puch and 2 more in a normal military surplus 2 bag pouch hooked on the belt. So basically what im saying is you can be flexible with your gear, and change what you need for the mission. Good video otherwise, i'll be watching for more.
Good Video, but the purpose of a Recce rig is to recce, not to stand in a fight. You break contact and get out of there.
But everything else you said is correct.
Look up Battle Drill "break contact" then tell me how 4 mags fits in. Pretty tough to conserve ammo over miles with an overwhelming force chasing you. Then, for the practical assignment, look up the ODA tbat was wiped out by Boku Haram because they were dependent on backup and resupply.
Just standing there mate, regardless of all your mags, you've just been popped by the sniper with the bolt gun hidden in all your shot up trees.
The Minutemen need to become drone masters.
I ordered this chest rig using your Amazon link. They must have changed the design slightly because the D rings are not on them anymore and it will only hold 4 mags. If you did force two mags in each slot it would be so tight that a reload would be impossible in a reasonable amount of time. Mag slots are slightly oversized to where you can comfortably run AK mags as well. I was pretty bummed out about not having 8 but nonetheless it is still a nice rig for the money. I will be doing a review soon on my channel. Thanks again for the recommendation brother!
🇺🇸 Opinions? Battle belt with ifak, two dump pouches each with 5 mags and 3 mags in individual mag pouches. Combined with 3 mags on chest. 17 mags total and a few more inches closer to the ground... 🇺🇸
Bingo I see it exactly the same way
Love my mayflower chest rig and I can put it on my PC if I need to run that. I grabbed the trex back strap and it pulls it all tight to your body perfectly so it doesnt bounce when running.
I am more of a nighttime guy; I don't like the idea of being in daylight in a world gone crazy situation. Bows are my specialty-modes of quiet removal of a threat, guns with silencers, etc. A dystopian, world-gone-crazy country filled with 250 million guns will not last long. Not unless you are in the dark, hidden, and only move when it is safe. Do not think that you are going to waltz around in broad daylight with a full loadout and expect to live to tell about it. Hopefully, all our planning and armament will be relics of weapons that were never used on each other.